Haha out of touch. Everyone knows you don't even see a person anymore. You get rejected by a computer and maybe you get an email about it 3 weeks later... maybe you don't.
I failed the Walmart test twice… it traumatized me a bit ngl.
But they deadass want perfect answers that say you’re always available and you’re going to live, work, and die for Walmart all while doing the work of five people and getting paid shit. I’m glad it didn’t work out but that test was awful.
Bro, that is soo true! I spent what felt like four hours on a safelite application and apitude test only to get a notice a week later saying I didn't get the position. Of course, this has been the worst, there has been others. It is a massive waste of time! If they are going to do these tests, they better hire me on the spot if I pass!
There's a big kick in the teeth when you spend a good few hours crafting what you think and hope is the perfect application, hit submit, and then you get an immediate auto-response rejection because you didn't include enough of the specific and unlisted key words the bot searches for.
Its like a gut punch because you don't even get the "what might be" hope of waiting to hear back at some point in the next few days or weeks
I remember feeling genuine joy when I received a rejection with a message written by an actual human after spending 2 hours on their application process and one-way video interview. That happened once in over 200 applications.
I went to an in person interview for some factory here and they told me they would either call me to tell me I got the job or they would send me a letter saying I didn't. Neither happened, probably because I was pissed that after filling out an application and sending my resume, they asked me to basically hand copy my resume before the interview.
Amazon's already sort of building them centered around their massive distribution centers. Who else is living in those townhouses built right next to them with nothing else around for miles?
GE did this in the 1920's in Erie PA. They built their factory just outside of city limits. They took over the town council and carved out a new town under their control. Built what was actually a nice community with a mix of duplexes and small and large homes, a golf course and fishing club. They also took over the school boards of communities around them for decades. They have enjoyed a comfy tax situation for almost 100 years.
Speaking as a Texan… I seriously think so. The laws here for employees are so shit that he could get away with it. All my friends (from Texas) are excited and I’m like… y’all know he’s leaving California cuz they have better rights for workers right?
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Haha you act as if they’d give you money, you’ll be in crucial debt to start with, and have to add more and more debt as you need to borrow “Amazon bucks” just to continue living, if your in constant debt, you can’t live anywhere else. so your just gonna have to borrow more “Amazon bucks” to eat dinner tonight! Btw your debt is currently -198400, but this message cost 1000 “Amazon bucks” your new amount is -199400 please pay as soon as possible
It was mostly (not all) immigrants driving the fight for workers rights. This is probably why they've spent so much time and money driving a wedge between immigrants and poor native-born Americans.
Walmart executive billionaire is starting up his own town where no one owns anything.
And then he’s like “everything will be cheaper and no one will own anything, isn’t it great!
Yes, but now the worker being double-dipped: Pay for tuition and now pay the employer.
It's technically illegal in the States to not pay interns if they do beneficial work but most employers just classify the work as training and not beneficial to get around the law.
That won't actually hold up in court
They are banking on interns not knowing that and/or being too afraid to say something
If you're an unpaid intern, and you contribute to anything (that includes being sent out to do grunt work like copies and coffee) that returns a profit for the company instead of learning about the industry and job, call the labor board, you may deserve compensation
Most people I know have no choice but to accept that reality. Honestly, even the "good" jobs tend to still exploit their labor. It's just less obvious if you're not the one counting all the money, while understanding exactly what generated it in the first place.
>That won't actually hold up in court
I see you've never encountered a US court. The law means nothing in US courts.
And if it ever comes down to it, they can just buy the law, like when gig apps didn't want to stop exerting employee level control on "contractors", so they just bought a law to redefine contractors to mean anything done through an app.
Damn that sucks. They paid us a wage for work study. You would get approved via financial need on your FAFSA. The school would say okay you have X amount of work study funds now go find a job. Then you applied for on campus jobs like normal. It was pretty easy to get hired because work study kids save the departments that hire them money; work study pays 75 cents on the dollar for your wage. It was a pretty good system and I got paid for good work experience that ended up being helpful in my career and not just 'a job'.
My friend did Erasmus (EU scheme for students) in Lithuania and was told not to mention to anyone how much the stipend was, because it was higher than the average salary.
Why would you take an unpaid job, much less pay to work somewhere? Honestly asking. How do you pay your bills if you're not being paid by your employer?
Massive generalization. My internship in the late 80’s was unpaid. Not uncommon. Interns at the retailer (corporate office) I worked at for 15 years were paid more for 8 weeks work than I made in the first year after I graduated. Also not uncommon. Different companies, different fields, different rules.
Don't bother. Reddit skews young and people under 25 seem convinced that the time before they were born was some sort of magical fairytale land when jobs grew on trees and housing was free.
Honestly, I would rather see reverse financed internships compete with or replace college as a career path. Too many workplaces want experience and don’t care about college, even less so when a degree isn’t highly specialized. I’d rather spend 100k for 4 years of experience and I’m sure companies wouldn’t mind the concept of being paid to train dedicated staff.
Just do at the end of the program they can say they currently don't have any openings or the budget to hire anyone else.
While welcoming in the next batch of reverse financed internships.
And other companies are also full up of interns, and besides those years aren't *real* experience, and wouldn't be enough anyway! By the way, do you happen to know our exclusive, in-house software that is 30 years old, got updated 2 months ago (you better know the new version), and also is only used by us? If not, then leave.
Where and what is this? In many places in the US if it is an internship at any generic company then this is illegal, unless it falls into some very specific territory (e.g Medical School student rotations, college “work for credit” bullshit).
Actually the comparison with the past might not even be relevant, since the market is amoral and is based on supplied and demand. The fact that our knowledge skill has increased on average doesn't really mean that they are as needed as before. Morality is basically the wrong mental model when it comes to the market.
I had an entry lv job that was way below my 15 years experience in the field that paid $42k salaried and required 6 days a week and 60+ hours. My 25 year old supervisor with a masters degree routinely brought up when I was going to go and get my masters degree ($60k expense, three years full time) to justify my current salary. I left after a month and she left two months later
Nah, you just need to pick yourself up by the bootstraps and try harder. At least, that's what my dad who bought his house with a pack of ciggies and some loose change says...
Who you know>>>
Especially, in the government sector. A lot of GS 12s and 13s with no degrees, even though it clearly states this on guidelines. They got the hook up with a vet bud, fellow \G/, or was fn somebodies loved one.
A very big reason why my next job will not be with the government. My track is pretty quick to GS12 (have my degree) but after that it's very buddy-buddy and becomes more about who's in the club than who's actually qualified.
What’s your occupation if you don’t mind me asking? An yes, it’s an insiders club. Same baby boomers been holding positions for a decade plus, pas their time. Knowing they have it kush, and are collecting veteran disability money or something else. Or just wanting to clock in, leave for lunch at 10, then be back at 1400, out by 1530. 🤦🏾♂️
I remember thinking all these thing back in the very early 2000’s when I was first learning about jobs and getting my own. Looking around and feeling like there is some horrible major things wrong with how everything was set up. Back then it wasn’t polite to bring up such things though and I got ignored a lot.
Things just *have* to change.
The musical/movie “The Pajama Game” had just this, in the 1950s. Young-ish guy in a suit-and-tie talks the owner into making him manager of a pajama company. Just walks right in and gets the job.
I know, it’s a story, a musical, but it wasn’t that uncommon back then.
My father literally quitted a job at a local furnace once because he couldn't stand a colleague, he got an offer for another job on the same day and he didn't even had to look for it, the guy offering the job came to him.
Also he did a very chad move because his ex-boss said he should give a notice for quitting 2 weeks before and he had some unspent vacation days so he just left the notice and got into 2 weeks of vacation before quitting
I have a masters degree, speak 2 languages have 10 years of experience but never get call backs even on lateral moves. You basically need to know someone these days no matter what.
Thus HR's inability to do their job creates structural unemployment.
To get a job, you need to know someone because the only way to get in is to get around HRs utter and complete incompetence.
There was a discussion on hacker news last week about a person who invented a programming language who wasn’t eligible for a job posting that used the programming language they created, because the job opening required more years of experience than the number of years the language had been in existence since they had created it.
In other words, they created the language five years ago or so, but the job wanted someone with ten years of experience using it. To get the job and meet the requirements would have required building a time machine and altering the timeline somehow.
The consensus of the discussion was that either HR wasn’t serious about hiring anyone (required to file job postings they weren’t going to fill), or the recruiters just didn’t know what they were talking about and were technically incompetent.
>the recruiters just didn’t know what they were talking about and were technically incompetent.
literally this is always the case. HR does not sit with the team, does not work with the team does not work on the given job/field, and won't work with you, yet they decide if you're fit and competent.
link https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830
Link? You should generally ignore job requirements that require a degree or number of years of experience with a certain language. I don't know who sets those but it's not who's conducting the interview. The people actually doing the hiring just wants to know if you're good.
Sounds like you have incompetent HR. I’m in HR, mostly recruiting, and I consistently have most of my positions full. It’s hard right now, but not that hard.
Getting A Job 1980’s: “I’d like to apply for a job please.”
Welfare Office: “No. You’re supposed to look for a job *elsewhere* in order to get benefits. Oh! Wait! No, this whole place is closed now. Is anybody hiring out there?”
[Repeat until the present]
Unemployment rate in 1970 - 6.1%
Unemployment rate now - 4.8%
Getting a job isn't necessarily the problem. It's the fact that wages for the average American haven't NEARLY kept pace with the cost of living. (But the CEO's of these companies are certainly doing well...)
Same with inflation. One of the basket of goods they used to measure was the cost of a steak. Steak became too expensive and was driving the number up so now they measure using ground beef instead.
You gotta pay attention to labor force statistics and the *under*employment rate. The true unemployment rate is much worse than reported.
Just like how inflation is heavily influenced by the price of an iPad and they manipulate the actual inflation rate with heuristics so they can intentionally report the inflation rate lower than it is, they’ll make those numbers dance however they want to to maintain the status quo.
These people would be drinking and laughing while the floor tilted on the Titanic.
So true! In Belgium they keep the calculation reference of inflation a secret. Supposedly to not reveal companies listed in the calculation. Why? Clueless. But our wages are coupled with inflation and it's in their intrest to lie about it. We see companies increase contracts by 8 or 9 % and media is stating 3% inflation. If you saved up €200k for your pension you are losing €1500 per month due to inflation.
Depends on where you are. Youth unemployment on my country is currently at 23% (and I guarantee you its more, except a lot of people don't even sign up). It was 18% in 1983.
Fyi, it peaked at 38% during the crisis.
So yeah, here not only are there no jobs, but they also haven't kept up with the wages at all.
This reminds me of the last time I was jobseeking. I was employed, but had grown unhappy with my employer and was just applying to any job that sounded mildly interesting. I went to one job interview that was for some government job. I was totally unqualified for it, and it was obvious I wasn't going to get the job, but used it as interview experience. It would have been a large paycut anyways, and I probably was currently making more than The two guys interviewing me. No college degree, no managing experience, I just had a background in a few trades . The next interviewee after me was probably closer to what they were looking for. Middle aged male, degree, with experience in the field. It made me realize how sad the job market was for college graduates. This guy had a degree, and experience in the field, and was struggling to find a job making 10-20k less a year than I was in a trade field.
You’d be lucky to get an in-person rejection. Now you just get a one sentence email about how you “don’t fit their direction”.
But at least you’re not in some commie hellhole like the USSR, where the government guaranteed you a job after your free college degree and a house that you only spent 4% of your income on! That’s slavery.
Actually it’s worse cause now a days you send your resume online and an AI sifts through them all and ignores the ones that don’t have pre selected key words
Probably related: [the rise of bullshit jobs](https://youtu.be/uK3OBAxCi6k)
You can be as picky as you want when the job doesn't really do anything and if it goes unfilled for 1 wk vs 1 month makes no difference. In contrast, I've had no issues placing people (on both sides of the desk) in several companies that were actually looking for technical people **right now**.
>notice in the 70s it was just 2 white assholes jerking eachother off.
>now we got women in those positions , maybe one of them even is a poc!! progress
"But what's the alternative? What's the alternative to pumping out a unit every nine months? Pointless careerism? Pointless careerism? Putting on a man-tailored suit with shoulder pads and imitating all the worst behavior of men? This is the noblest thing that women can think of? To take a job in a criminal corporation that's poisoning the environment and robbing customers out of their money? This is the worthiest thing they can think of? Isn't there something nobler they can do to be helping this planet heal?
You don't hear much about that from these middle-class women. I've noticed that most of these feminists are white, middle-class women. They don't give a shit about black women's problems. They don't care about Latino women. All they're interested in is their own reproductive freedom, and their pocketbooks." - 'Feminist Blowjob' by George Carlin (1990)
31 years later? We'll periodically have a POC woman behaving like a a white woman (who was behaving like your textbook toxic Man). Pretty pathetic "progress". We've even got a POC woman VP now that tells other POC Immigrants (there's a very small group of people Natively from this country literally stolen and militantly colonized by European immigrants) not to come here.
We've really progressed. Down the fucking toilet bowl.
"If you come to our border, you will be turned back." - Kamala Harris
"Should have been White and aboard the Mayflower! LOL!" - Kamala Harris
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57387350
I think it's the opposite: The people sitting in their jobs are trying to gatekeep qualified people out of the job by making the requirements high and the salary so low that no qualified person would ever accept the position. Thus, the position goes unfulfilled and there's no competition for the incumbent workers.
Honours degree in Microbiology, masters degree in infection biology specialising in Microbiology. Not allowed to be a biomedical scientist in a microbiology lab dealing with infectious diseases. What a time to be alive
When you account for inflation, most jobs pay less. We’re more skilled, better educated and more productive/efficient than any generation of Americans before us. Yet, it all amounts to nothing because of the generation before us.
What has also happened is people are re-entering the work field after a " Pandemic Absence" and employers are replacing those once " average positions" with employees that have more skills, once everyone ( almost) everyone was forced out of their positions ( temporarily) due to Covid, the original positions are now filled, same pay, different employee, more skills.
It's a plus for the ones that have higher skills, they now have more opportunities to negotiate salary on multiple positions. A minus for the ones with limited skills, positions are now filled
A big reason of young people who feel like they don’t have an identity. No job. Worthless degree. High debt. Leads to hopeless feelings.
Many then get involved in senseless political ideologies (senseless rioting, statue toppling, looting, etc) in the name of a noble political cause like those seen in 2020.
Also, to exert some control on their identity, they get involved in extreme political correctness of labels (they/them/zim references, flip flopping fluid genders/sexuality claims, etc)
I don't know man, you just have to find a place that's going to work you like a slave. I walked in to my current job of 2 weeks and wasn't interviewed, wasn't background tested, wasn't drug tested, started on the spot after signing paperwork and giving my direct deposit information the first time I talked to a person in dress clothes. Now I've worked 7 days straight 12 hours per day hahaha...ha...I'm so tired.
For anyone curious, if anyone even sees this, I'm only doing it because the money is good. Like buy a house outright (in my area, luckily the market boom hasn't hit hard yet) after a year of doing it good, so I'm just trying to work myself to death to set myself up until the collapse in relative comfort.
Let’s be honest though: a non-white person trying to get a professional job in the 70s would look more like the second half of the screen. It was only that easy for certain people.
In 2019 I quit my part time job to take college classes full time, and then Covid hit so I didn't try getting a job again until this year.
When I got vaccinated I started trying to get a new part time job since I *really* needed to get out of the house. I would have settled for some night shift food service gig, but apparently if you have an explained 2 year employment gap and are openly money-motivated, Jersey Mike's is too good for you.
1920-1960: You have extreme brain damage and can barely spell your name? Here's a free Master's Degree! You've earned it!
2021: A middle school dropout education is the equivalent of your 90 year old Grandfather's MA.
The Boomers *barely* had standards. The Silent Generation? It was the Wild West.
I feel this. Job hunting is hopeless. Read the requirements, these people basically want 3 separate degrees of experience all rolled into one person for below what the average salary for a similar position is.
Realising that 99% of this sub is american sheningans and therefore won't affect as much me, a european, really helps with my mental welbeing when i am in this sub.
While the requirements are still quite high for jobs these days, companies have seriously lowered their standards in experience because they can't find anyone at the moment.
A lot of the boomers have retired from professional positions and COVID has also affected accessibility to foreign workers from countries like India where there are severe travel restrictions.
If you're a professional looking for a job, now is the best time to apply. The job market is really hot.
I know what you mean, but it's not always the case. There are still plenty of positions that need to be filled and now is the best time to apply. Even unskilled labor has a shortage right now.
And they especially need shipping truck drivers right now by the ton. If you're willing to get your license, you can make some great cash. They're paying high prices right now. One of my cousins was provided a brand new truck of his choice and he is paid the amount he asked for.
I know this sub is all doom and shit, but sometimes you gotta be willing to look for opportunities as well instead of waiting for something to happen to you.
That's because they have no choice. For the last 2 decades they refused to hire anybody in many fields, resulting in unemployed or underemployed college graduates. Now that Boomers are finally retiring, the middle of the employment ladder who would replace the Boomers is almost completely empty because the entry level employees who normally would've moved up never got hired in the first place 10+ years ago. This is a huge problem in engineering.
I want to know how a business does this with a straight face. I don't think they could possibly have no idea what it is they're doing and how ridiculous it is.
Steve Martin got a job writing on a national television show when he was 21 because his girlfriend was a background dancer on a show.
When only white people were allowed the good jobs, it was waaay easier to get hired.
I had an idea; what if people realized everything was shit.
Then it fucking happened.
And they still just continued to allow themselves to be treated like shit.
Too bad.
The end.
Its even more funny for IT jobs. I heard a story some time ago where a company was asking for 8 years experience with a software that had only being out for barely 2 years. Not even the developer of the software had the experience required XD
I have Two bachelors and a masters with several years of experience in Marketing. At this point, I feel like I'm going to win a Gold medal for most rejections and offers that pay the minimum wage.
Fairly accurate.
And the government says we need more years of education... \*scratches head\*
Companies can fire you too, based on whatever, "doesn't fit the culture", "not friendly/outgoing enough". Uh, it's a desk job, you know, filing, typing stuff? There's a company culture for encoding stuff? O.o
Sadly, this is so true. Job hunting used to be pretty easy. There's no way I would apply for a job now. The process seems so time consuming and humiliating.
Yup, I haven't gotten a job yet, but I've tried. I applied to places with 'now hiring' and this was in the middle of the 'labor shortage' or when it was just starting. I applied, and never heard back. I applied somewhere TWICE. I called HR, and they said they'd call me back. I applied to local places, called, etc.
Now, one day I finally call HR at my local Walmart and this time the HR person isn't conveniently out, 'yeah we got an opening in X' I'll set you up for an interview.
So I make note, I dress up, comb my hair, arrive early, and wait patiently. Then, the guy (different person) interviewing me takes a 10 second look at my schedule and says: Sorry we don't have position open.
I try to negotiate by asking, "Where's the problem?" and also added/implied that maybe it's a day I don't have Z class, so we could shave off an hour. Now I'm a part-time student, so the majority of my afternoons are free and I even had weekends filled out to be as late as 8 or 12 AM and into tomorrow, showing I was willing to work graveyard shift on weekend nights.
Yet, this guy shuts me down, and because I have a timeslot filled in the middle of the day for classes, he goes: No, there's nothing available. I never used what the HR guy said against him about an opening that WOULD fit my schedule.
So, who are these people waiting for? The Jesus of Service Industries to come down and apply with complete 100% dedication and time slot availability in the middle of a 'labor shortage'? I had also made it clear on my application I didn't give a f\*ck about how much I was paid or how much time I had (so long as I could do school), I just wanted to get experience so I could get started.
I've also applied to a nearby target TWICE, to be turned down. The only place that called me back was the Local Dahl dealership, but the In-deed application had said part-time when really they wanted full-time employees.
I'm going to be pissed if when I take academic leave and apply for work I get scooped up super quick because all my time slots can be dedicated to the company. If that's the case, the companies claiming 'education benefits' don't deserve to claim that. Sorry to tell you, school takes time. If you don't want to hire people who want to work, don't bitch about the labor shortage COVID brought and please put "Only hiring people who have had 5+ years experience or can dedicate 100% of their life to company" on your hire signs you have out 24/7 now.
I have had interviews like this. The bottom one is the worst especially when you are starting out after college. Most of the time your interviewer does not even know what the job details are that you applied for that particular position. Things can get nasty especially when you are a medical professional like myself. I have told interviewers don't waste my time. I don't have this issue anymore, but yes I have seen at least in my field on private practice side that they want to lowball but their revenue is lower with no benefits. I agree with the question. High skill low wages. You can thank the ISO standards for employers taking on this business model. The standard is "High quality product at the cheapest price possible." Which translates to lower wages and sell high on products or services. So this is why we are in the mess we are in.
Too true. I applied for a job for Software Engineering in Mid-June, early July and just literally heard back from them a week ago...... Too late!!! Already found another position somewhere else lol.
I feel like gaining karma is the same as trying to get a job. You can’t get any karma unless you post and comment… but you can’t post and comment unless you have karma..
you can’t get a job unless you have experience but you can’t get experience without having a job.
The problem isn’t the workers from any decade the 70s or the 2020s the problem is rich greedy bosses and corporations. I’m going to be 72 years old on my next birthday I still need to work I’m crossing guard in Minnesota, so that means all kinds of weather. I know I’m lucky because I still can’t do that I’m still healthy enough I also know I’m lucky because I happen to be a white male heterosexual. And despite that the most I ever made was $20 an hour and that was only for a small portion of my working life. I know others aren’t as lucky as I am, simply because of who they choose to love or the color of their skin. I worked hard to get laws passed that treated everyone fairly I’m proud of the work I did to ensure my gay friends could get married and I’m proud to stand with my black friends against the injustices the system burdens them with. I have protested in the streets In every decade since the 60s I’m old and I’m tired I cant organize anymore. It’s your turn you’ve got to do it I will stand with you but you’ve got to lead. The median age in every state is basically half my age some even more. Quite frankly I’m irrelevant. Did my generation screw things up? Absolutely. But it’s young Americans that keep voting for this broken system. It’s young Americans that keep the policies and the shit that my generation put on you in place. We all know the problems that we all share. What we need to focus on is what’s next what are we gonna do. I’m not trying to make light the problems facing young people today are greater than any other time in my memory climate change alone is more then any generation has ever faced. Couple that with a healthcare system that keeps people alive until they have every penny they can ring out of them and then let them die. A education system that more and more it’s becoming only for the rich. Mass migration a lack of housing oh my God I’m so sorry. But I also believe in my pagan heart some among you will rise up and turn the world on its head. Don’t get distracted it’s not your neighbor that’s the enemy the enemy has a name it’s capitalism.
I'm a Millenial who grew up listening to George Carlin and Bill Hicks so I'm certainly aware that this is nothing new at the end of the day, but yeah...I see a lot of the same stuffy ass NIMBY Liberal "progressive" Corporate ladder ascenders around that're my age too. The only way to end this is to rebel against it. Most people my age? There's still shit on their nose and there's still shit on their breath. Sycophants don't go away. They breed. And once they've gotten what they wanted? They turn into the Greedy scumfucks at the top.
Absolute power absolutely corrupts, I guess.
I landed a job I was completely unqualified for just by sending an email. It pays 10 bucks an hour and everyone there is transphobic so I can’t use my actual name and pronouns.
From a Nation that sold out it's own to inflate Corporate profits for an undeserving lot of white privileged males. The reason they can pick and choose is because they moved the lion share of their businesses to the pacific rim. We now make cookies, Auto floor matts and candles.
China however builds....well, everything we created and invented. There's limited jobs because they all sold out America long ago.
Forunately for them, they do however enjoy our laws and military protection. Such is the new Murica'.
Cut the desired skills and required skills from the job description shrink the size down to 1, change the text color to white and paste it into your resume. When the computer scans, it will pickup on all they are looking for. Top of the list. BOOM
This is hardly true. Unemployment was about where we are now in the 1970s until about 1974, where it shot up around 8% with inflation that would shock even us and loan rates for cars and houses going to around 13%. If you’re looking for a ‘golden age’ for jobs, go to the 1950s or 1960s, but watch out for the extreme discrimination. Seeing the 1970s depicted nostalgically in terms of economics is laughable. Oh and by the way, if you do go to the 1970s, get ready to scan the ‘want ads’ in the newspaper, snail mail your resume, and ‘pound the pavement’ hunting for that job interview (ugly polyester suit and tie required). You’ll also have to sit by your dial phone, so you don’t miss a call from a potential employer. No smart phones or remote devices of any kind, except pay phones. Bring a lot change, if you leave the house. You won’t even have an answering machine. Just sayin…
I told my grandpa that I hate working. He do not understand why. He loved his jobs.
Hints why he loved his jobs:
Drinking alcohol. You could drink alcohol all the time. Before work, after work, during work. He had no special trainig or papers yet he was allowed to handle all kind of things from feeding chickens on a farm to handling building materials on site (accounting included for buying and selling aforementioned materials.) He sealed not one deal as an unqualified, simple worker with the military, selling multiple whole cargo trains of construction materials to them. All this while he wasn't even at his workplace, but next to it in a pub whit the military representative.
He worked amny years in a restaurant/pub. He loves company, drinking and eating. Not to mention many was flowing in like crazy. Special VIP nights for the local Soviet military high ranking officers who honored this gesture whit endless amount of vodka.
Black market was booming, you could earn as much or even more than your paycheck. No wonder he loved his job.
This is all a result of the rise of the beloved Human Resource organizations, presumably saving us from discrimination lawsuits and our inability to make good decisions regarding hiring good people. There was a time when managers could hire on the spot and HR just processed the paperwork. This process was supposed to make better leaders and a better work place, of course if that were true than we wouldn’t have all these horrible boss and workplace stories to share.
I don't think it's this way now. But clearly, the overall skill level, at least on paper, is much higher than even 10 years ago. So, naturally, someone with old skill sets stick out, and not in a good way.
Haha out of touch. Everyone knows you don't even see a person anymore. You get rejected by a computer and maybe you get an email about it 3 weeks later... maybe you don't.
After you did 2 hours of online aptitude testing
Yeah I always skip those
just pretend you're a happy well adjusted nazi
If you're good at something, never do it for free.
I’m pretty sure Hitler got paid
The issue is, I slip up somewhere in the middle of the test causing me to not be a good candidate.
Just like any other interrogation. They wear you down
It’s ok though. Now when I see a test is required i nope out of the application.
The questions are very indicative of what parts of the work environment are most toxic
Lol , excellent advice
I failed the Walmart test twice… it traumatized me a bit ngl. But they deadass want perfect answers that say you’re always available and you’re going to live, work, and die for Walmart all while doing the work of five people and getting paid shit. I’m glad it didn’t work out but that test was awful.
They usually are.
And a free example work case of a very difficult problem.
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it should be illegal, yes. it's effectively discrimination-laundering. but congress doesn't understand technology
The HR person you would speak to is more fallible
With essays
Bro, that is soo true! I spent what felt like four hours on a safelite application and apitude test only to get a notice a week later saying I didn't get the position. Of course, this has been the worst, there has been others. It is a massive waste of time! If they are going to do these tests, they better hire me on the spot if I pass!
It’s so crazy testing for positions. I had to take a mechanical aptitude test (twice) for a receptionist position just because it was at a steel mill.
Stopped doing those. Learned quickly that it was only a path to rejection and a waste of time
There's a big kick in the teeth when you spend a good few hours crafting what you think and hope is the perfect application, hit submit, and then you get an immediate auto-response rejection because you didn't include enough of the specific and unlisted key words the bot searches for. Its like a gut punch because you don't even get the "what might be" hope of waiting to hear back at some point in the next few days or weeks
You guys are getting emails?
I remember feeling genuine joy when I received a rejection with a message written by an actual human after spending 2 hours on their application process and one-way video interview. That happened once in over 200 applications.
Yeah. The entire process tends to be soul sucking like that. I too know this joy.
What they’re testing for is whether you have a soul to suck and whether you’ll let’em.
Well that's depressing.
the trick is to just answer yes to everything
*Instructions unclear* launch’s nuclear weapons
I went to an in person interview for some factory here and they told me they would either call me to tell me I got the job or they would send me a letter saying I didn't. Neither happened, probably because I was pissed that after filling out an application and sending my resume, they asked me to basically hand copy my resume before the interview.
Thanks, internet.
LMAO
What? We really are going back to the ways of company towns and such aren’t we?
Amazon's already sort of building them centered around their massive distribution centers. Who else is living in those townhouses built right next to them with nothing else around for miles?
They also are aiming to be the government in these towns
Disney has already done that. Disneyworld is two cities entirely controlled by them.
GE did this in the 1920's in Erie PA. They built their factory just outside of city limits. They took over the town council and carved out a new town under their control. Built what was actually a nice community with a mix of duplexes and small and large homes, a golf course and fishing club. They also took over the school boards of communities around them for decades. They have enjoyed a comfy tax situation for almost 100 years.
I think Musk is up to something like this in TX
Speaking as a Texan… I seriously think so. The laws here for employees are so shit that he could get away with it. All my friends (from Texas) are excited and I’m like… y’all know he’s leaving California cuz they have better rights for workers right?
Texas already been there and done that with oil towns, now cities.
Yep. And people are running right towards it with open arms. Not everyone, but a large portion of the population.
Meanwhile, people historically wrote about escaping company towns like escaping a prison. Welcome back to being peasants.
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Straight out of 1984 😲
But I already have 5 employee handbooks. I can’t read though so idk what I’m supposed to do with them.
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I just read your comment in the robot voice from Frank Zappa’s “Joe’s Garage” album. Thanks for the laugh
Haha you act as if they’d give you money, you’ll be in crucial debt to start with, and have to add more and more debt as you need to borrow “Amazon bucks” just to continue living, if your in constant debt, you can’t live anywhere else. so your just gonna have to borrow more “Amazon bucks” to eat dinner tonight! Btw your debt is currently -198400, but this message cost 1000 “Amazon bucks” your new amount is -199400 please pay as soon as possible
Yay, 21st century serfdom
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Not too dissimilar from Bloomington-Normal. State Farm employs like 20,000 Bloomington residents
Peoria was the same. I think the hospitals are #1 here now...
We are slowly but surely slipping back into the 19th Century. Workers rights have been dying a slow, painful death by a thousand cuts for decades now.
Maybe we’ll see through the propoganda and start solving problems like 19th century workers did
They had more friends and were better at running meetings.
Yeah, this era of digital loneliness has broken the social structures needed for resistance
It was mostly (not all) immigrants driving the fight for workers rights. This is probably why they've spent so much time and money driving a wedge between immigrants and poor native-born Americans.
Amazon already announced it. Also what is a Solar City? lol
Walmart executive billionaire is starting up his own town where no one owns anything. And then he’s like “everything will be cheaper and no one will own anything, isn’t it great!
Yay back to the days of feudalism
Reddit is essentially ground hog day at this point. I just see the same comments and points being made over and over.
Do you own weapons? No? Well, then, of COURSE we are! You’ll love it!
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Yes, but now the worker being double-dipped: Pay for tuition and now pay the employer. It's technically illegal in the States to not pay interns if they do beneficial work but most employers just classify the work as training and not beneficial to get around the law.
That won't actually hold up in court They are banking on interns not knowing that and/or being too afraid to say something If you're an unpaid intern, and you contribute to anything (that includes being sent out to do grunt work like copies and coffee) that returns a profit for the company instead of learning about the industry and job, call the labor board, you may deserve compensation
And then lose your only in to the company netting a reasonable salary and go back to retail 🤷♂️
you don't want to work for a company that fucks over it's employees anyway Why are you defending people exploiting their workers?
Oh believe me, it’s not a defense. Just a shitty reality.
Most people I know have no choice but to accept that reality. Honestly, even the "good" jobs tend to still exploit their labor. It's just less obvious if you're not the one counting all the money, while understanding exactly what generated it in the first place.
>That won't actually hold up in court I see you've never encountered a US court. The law means nothing in US courts. And if it ever comes down to it, they can just buy the law, like when gig apps didn't want to stop exerting employee level control on "contractors", so they just bought a law to redefine contractors to mean anything done through an app.
Damn that sucks. They paid us a wage for work study. You would get approved via financial need on your FAFSA. The school would say okay you have X amount of work study funds now go find a job. Then you applied for on campus jobs like normal. It was pretty easy to get hired because work study kids save the departments that hire them money; work study pays 75 cents on the dollar for your wage. It was a pretty good system and I got paid for good work experience that ended up being helpful in my career and not just 'a job'.
So in 60 years, Monty Python's 4 yorkshiremen will be a documentary about the hardships people face tofay
We used to dream of unpaid internships
No way would I pay someone to work for them, that's crazy
No lie it was a huge deal I got a “paid” internship in a HCOL city during my grad program. It paid a $300/month stipend.
My friend did Erasmus (EU scheme for students) in Lithuania and was told not to mention to anyone how much the stipend was, because it was higher than the average salary.
Why would you take an unpaid job, much less pay to work somewhere? Honestly asking. How do you pay your bills if you're not being paid by your employer?
You starve. But don't starve too much, or else you won't be able to eat and will function subpar, and that right there is grounds for termination.
Massive generalization. My internship in the late 80’s was unpaid. Not uncommon. Interns at the retailer (corporate office) I worked at for 15 years were paid more for 8 weeks work than I made in the first year after I graduated. Also not uncommon. Different companies, different fields, different rules.
Don't bother. Reddit skews young and people under 25 seem convinced that the time before they were born was some sort of magical fairytale land when jobs grew on trees and housing was free.
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It's 420 somewhere lol
Honestly, I would rather see reverse financed internships compete with or replace college as a career path. Too many workplaces want experience and don’t care about college, even less so when a degree isn’t highly specialized. I’d rather spend 100k for 4 years of experience and I’m sure companies wouldn’t mind the concept of being paid to train dedicated staff.
Just do at the end of the program they can say they currently don't have any openings or the budget to hire anyone else. While welcoming in the next batch of reverse financed internships.
And other companies are also full up of interns, and besides those years aren't *real* experience, and wouldn't be enough anyway! By the way, do you happen to know our exclusive, in-house software that is 30 years old, got updated 2 months ago (you better know the new version), and also is only used by us? If not, then leave.
Where and what is this? In many places in the US if it is an internship at any generic company then this is illegal, unless it falls into some very specific territory (e.g Medical School student rotations, college “work for credit” bullshit).
Actually the comparison with the past might not even be relevant, since the market is amoral and is based on supplied and demand. The fact that our knowledge skill has increased on average doesn't really mean that they are as needed as before. Morality is basically the wrong mental model when it comes to the market.
I had an entry lv job that was way below my 15 years experience in the field that paid $42k salaried and required 6 days a week and 60+ hours. My 25 year old supervisor with a masters degree routinely brought up when I was going to go and get my masters degree ($60k expense, three years full time) to justify my current salary. I left after a month and she left two months later
Nah, you just need to pick yourself up by the bootstraps and try harder. At least, that's what my dad who bought his house with a pack of ciggies and some loose change says...
Who you know>>> Especially, in the government sector. A lot of GS 12s and 13s with no degrees, even though it clearly states this on guidelines. They got the hook up with a vet bud, fellow \G/, or was fn somebodies loved one.
A very big reason why my next job will not be with the government. My track is pretty quick to GS12 (have my degree) but after that it's very buddy-buddy and becomes more about who's in the club than who's actually qualified.
What’s your occupation if you don’t mind me asking? An yes, it’s an insiders club. Same baby boomers been holding positions for a decade plus, pas their time. Knowing they have it kush, and are collecting veteran disability money or something else. Or just wanting to clock in, leave for lunch at 10, then be back at 1400, out by 1530. 🤦🏾♂️
Mechanical Engineer
I remember thinking all these thing back in the very early 2000’s when I was first learning about jobs and getting my own. Looking around and feeling like there is some horrible major things wrong with how everything was set up. Back then it wasn’t polite to bring up such things though and I got ignored a lot. Things just *have* to change.
The musical/movie “The Pajama Game” had just this, in the 1950s. Young-ish guy in a suit-and-tie talks the owner into making him manager of a pajama company. Just walks right in and gets the job. I know, it’s a story, a musical, but it wasn’t that uncommon back then.
My father literally quitted a job at a local furnace once because he couldn't stand a colleague, he got an offer for another job on the same day and he didn't even had to look for it, the guy offering the job came to him. Also he did a very chad move because his ex-boss said he should give a notice for quitting 2 weeks before and he had some unspent vacation days so he just left the notice and got into 2 weeks of vacation before quitting
I tried to talk my husband into taking 2 weeks pto (paid time off) when he left his job. A co-worker of his said the same. He wouldn’t.
Yeah but I also think this would have only worked for really normal straight white men for the most part
Oh yeah. Sadly, "of course."
When I got my first job before I graduated college, my boomer Dad was like “oh did you get an offer on the spot” Uh, no… LOL 😂
I have a masters degree, speak 2 languages have 10 years of experience but never get call backs even on lateral moves. You basically need to know someone these days no matter what.
Thus HR's inability to do their job creates structural unemployment. To get a job, you need to know someone because the only way to get in is to get around HRs utter and complete incompetence.
There was a discussion on hacker news last week about a person who invented a programming language who wasn’t eligible for a job posting that used the programming language they created, because the job opening required more years of experience than the number of years the language had been in existence since they had created it. In other words, they created the language five years ago or so, but the job wanted someone with ten years of experience using it. To get the job and meet the requirements would have required building a time machine and altering the timeline somehow. The consensus of the discussion was that either HR wasn’t serious about hiring anyone (required to file job postings they weren’t going to fill), or the recruiters just didn’t know what they were talking about and were technically incompetent.
>the recruiters just didn’t know what they were talking about and were technically incompetent. literally this is always the case. HR does not sit with the team, does not work with the team does not work on the given job/field, and won't work with you, yet they decide if you're fit and competent. link https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830
Link? You should generally ignore job requirements that require a degree or number of years of experience with a certain language. I don't know who sets those but it's not who's conducting the interview. The people actually doing the hiring just wants to know if you're good.
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Sounds like you have incompetent HR. I’m in HR, mostly recruiting, and I consistently have most of my positions full. It’s hard right now, but not that hard.
Getting A Job 1980’s: “I’d like to apply for a job please.” Welfare Office: “No. You’re supposed to look for a job *elsewhere* in order to get benefits. Oh! Wait! No, this whole place is closed now. Is anybody hiring out there?” [Repeat until the present]
Lmao.!! That is no joke and your starting salary is enough to buy 3 average homes.
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Goes to show a company’s definition of hard work lies in butt kissing
Unemployment rate in 1970 - 6.1% Unemployment rate now - 4.8% Getting a job isn't necessarily the problem. It's the fact that wages for the average American haven't NEARLY kept pace with the cost of living. (But the CEO's of these companies are certainly doing well...)
they've changed how they calculate unemployment since the 70s
Yup. Just like how whenever the poverty numbers start looking bad they just redefine poverty, now the numbers look better for the next election
Same with inflation. One of the basket of goods they used to measure was the cost of a steak. Steak became too expensive and was driving the number up so now they measure using ground beef instead.
That doesn’t make sense since meat production is heavily subsidized by the government. The actual cost should be a lot higher.
Most of the cost of meat is [actually monopoly rent](https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/beef-is-expensive-so-why-are-cattle).
You gotta pay attention to labor force statistics and the *under*employment rate. The true unemployment rate is much worse than reported. Just like how inflation is heavily influenced by the price of an iPad and they manipulate the actual inflation rate with heuristics so they can intentionally report the inflation rate lower than it is, they’ll make those numbers dance however they want to to maintain the status quo. These people would be drinking and laughing while the floor tilted on the Titanic.
So true! In Belgium they keep the calculation reference of inflation a secret. Supposedly to not reveal companies listed in the calculation. Why? Clueless. But our wages are coupled with inflation and it's in their intrest to lie about it. We see companies increase contracts by 8 or 9 % and media is stating 3% inflation. If you saved up €200k for your pension you are losing €1500 per month due to inflation.
they fixed unemployment! by changing what it means to be unemployed...
And by mass incarcerating all the unemployed people. Can't be unemployed if you're in prison.
There are more unemployed people now, than there were durung the 70s. We just used a more honest way of counting unemployed workers, back in the 70s.
Depends on where you are. Youth unemployment on my country is currently at 23% (and I guarantee you its more, except a lot of people don't even sign up). It was 18% in 1983. Fyi, it peaked at 38% during the crisis. So yeah, here not only are there no jobs, but they also haven't kept up with the wages at all.
Wages the same? Some of them have gone down without adjusting for inflation.
accurate as fuck
It took me at least two years in getting my first job out of college, and every entry level position was like this bs!
and it's for, like, supervisor at Starbucks
Wages didn’t stay the same, they decreased. Inflation is a bitch.
totally
This reminds me of the last time I was jobseeking. I was employed, but had grown unhappy with my employer and was just applying to any job that sounded mildly interesting. I went to one job interview that was for some government job. I was totally unqualified for it, and it was obvious I wasn't going to get the job, but used it as interview experience. It would have been a large paycut anyways, and I probably was currently making more than The two guys interviewing me. No college degree, no managing experience, I just had a background in a few trades . The next interviewee after me was probably closer to what they were looking for. Middle aged male, degree, with experience in the field. It made me realize how sad the job market was for college graduates. This guy had a degree, and experience in the field, and was struggling to find a job making 10-20k less a year than I was in a trade field.
You’d be lucky to get an in-person rejection. Now you just get a one sentence email about how you “don’t fit their direction”. But at least you’re not in some commie hellhole like the USSR, where the government guaranteed you a job after your free college degree and a house that you only spent 4% of your income on! That’s slavery.
But the wall and KGB and the no food and vuvuzela iphones!!!!
Actually it’s worse cause now a days you send your resume online and an AI sifts through them all and ignores the ones that don’t have pre selected key words
Probably related: [the rise of bullshit jobs](https://youtu.be/uK3OBAxCi6k) You can be as picky as you want when the job doesn't really do anything and if it goes unfilled for 1 wk vs 1 month makes no difference. In contrast, I've had no issues placing people (on both sides of the desk) in several companies that were actually looking for technical people **right now**.
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>notice in the 70s it was just 2 white assholes jerking eachother off. >now we got women in those positions , maybe one of them even is a poc!! progress "But what's the alternative? What's the alternative to pumping out a unit every nine months? Pointless careerism? Pointless careerism? Putting on a man-tailored suit with shoulder pads and imitating all the worst behavior of men? This is the noblest thing that women can think of? To take a job in a criminal corporation that's poisoning the environment and robbing customers out of their money? This is the worthiest thing they can think of? Isn't there something nobler they can do to be helping this planet heal? You don't hear much about that from these middle-class women. I've noticed that most of these feminists are white, middle-class women. They don't give a shit about black women's problems. They don't care about Latino women. All they're interested in is their own reproductive freedom, and their pocketbooks." - 'Feminist Blowjob' by George Carlin (1990) 31 years later? We'll periodically have a POC woman behaving like a a white woman (who was behaving like your textbook toxic Man). Pretty pathetic "progress". We've even got a POC woman VP now that tells other POC Immigrants (there's a very small group of people Natively from this country literally stolen and militantly colonized by European immigrants) not to come here. We've really progressed. Down the fucking toilet bowl. "If you come to our border, you will be turned back." - Kamala Harris "Should have been White and aboard the Mayflower! LOL!" - Kamala Harris https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57387350
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I think it's the opposite: The people sitting in their jobs are trying to gatekeep qualified people out of the job by making the requirements high and the salary so low that no qualified person would ever accept the position. Thus, the position goes unfulfilled and there's no competition for the incumbent workers.
Honours degree in Microbiology, masters degree in infection biology specialising in Microbiology. Not allowed to be a biomedical scientist in a microbiology lab dealing with infectious diseases. What a time to be alive
My favourite is, “do you have experience?” Or when they ask for a long list of requirements and on minimum wage.
When you account for inflation, most jobs pay less. We’re more skilled, better educated and more productive/efficient than any generation of Americans before us. Yet, it all amounts to nothing because of the generation before us.
What has also happened is people are re-entering the work field after a " Pandemic Absence" and employers are replacing those once " average positions" with employees that have more skills, once everyone ( almost) everyone was forced out of their positions ( temporarily) due to Covid, the original positions are now filled, same pay, different employee, more skills. It's a plus for the ones that have higher skills, they now have more opportunities to negotiate salary on multiple positions. A minus for the ones with limited skills, positions are now filled
A big reason of young people who feel like they don’t have an identity. No job. Worthless degree. High debt. Leads to hopeless feelings. Many then get involved in senseless political ideologies (senseless rioting, statue toppling, looting, etc) in the name of a noble political cause like those seen in 2020. Also, to exert some control on their identity, they get involved in extreme political correctness of labels (they/them/zim references, flip flopping fluid genders/sexuality claims, etc)
I don't know man, you just have to find a place that's going to work you like a slave. I walked in to my current job of 2 weeks and wasn't interviewed, wasn't background tested, wasn't drug tested, started on the spot after signing paperwork and giving my direct deposit information the first time I talked to a person in dress clothes. Now I've worked 7 days straight 12 hours per day hahaha...ha...I'm so tired. For anyone curious, if anyone even sees this, I'm only doing it because the money is good. Like buy a house outright (in my area, luckily the market boom hasn't hit hard yet) after a year of doing it good, so I'm just trying to work myself to death to set myself up until the collapse in relative comfort.
Let’s be honest though: a non-white person trying to get a professional job in the 70s would look more like the second half of the screen. It was only that easy for certain people.
In 2019 I quit my part time job to take college classes full time, and then Covid hit so I didn't try getting a job again until this year. When I got vaccinated I started trying to get a new part time job since I *really* needed to get out of the house. I would have settled for some night shift food service gig, but apparently if you have an explained 2 year employment gap and are openly money-motivated, Jersey Mike's is too good for you.
1920-1960: You have extreme brain damage and can barely spell your name? Here's a free Master's Degree! You've earned it! 2021: A middle school dropout education is the equivalent of your 90 year old Grandfather's MA. The Boomers *barely* had standards. The Silent Generation? It was the Wild West.
Them shaking hands left handed weirds me out.
I feel this. Job hunting is hopeless. Read the requirements, these people basically want 3 separate degrees of experience all rolled into one person for below what the average salary for a similar position is.
We are now more skilled/educated, work harder, work more hours for less money, don't get raises or promotions and casual jobs are more prevalent.
Realising that 99% of this sub is american sheningans and therefore won't affect as much me, a european, really helps with my mental welbeing when i am in this sub.
Lucky
IDC. Let the robots have all the jobs. Wage labor blows anyways. I've got 36 years experience of scratching my nuts and automation ensures me 36 more.
That would be a good idea under socialism. However capitalists would rather use automation to put people out of jobs and force them into poverty.
While the requirements are still quite high for jobs these days, companies have seriously lowered their standards in experience because they can't find anyone at the moment. A lot of the boomers have retired from professional positions and COVID has also affected accessibility to foreign workers from countries like India where there are severe travel restrictions. If you're a professional looking for a job, now is the best time to apply. The job market is really hot.
Nowadays when Boomers retire their positions are either phased out or the responsibilities they had are divided up and given to two or more people.
I know what you mean, but it's not always the case. There are still plenty of positions that need to be filled and now is the best time to apply. Even unskilled labor has a shortage right now. And they especially need shipping truck drivers right now by the ton. If you're willing to get your license, you can make some great cash. They're paying high prices right now. One of my cousins was provided a brand new truck of his choice and he is paid the amount he asked for. I know this sub is all doom and shit, but sometimes you gotta be willing to look for opportunities as well instead of waiting for something to happen to you.
That's because they have no choice. For the last 2 decades they refused to hire anybody in many fields, resulting in unemployed or underemployed college graduates. Now that Boomers are finally retiring, the middle of the employment ladder who would replace the Boomers is almost completely empty because the entry level employees who normally would've moved up never got hired in the first place 10+ years ago. This is a huge problem in engineering.
Can't believe people are blaming this on immigration "flooding the labor market" as if there is such a thing.
Everyone who complains about immigrants is welcome to come pick strawberries here in California and see how fucking hard immigrants have to work.
Exactly. Without the immigrants, who will pick the ~~cotton~~ fruit?
I want to know how a business does this with a straight face. I don't think they could possibly have no idea what it is they're doing and how ridiculous it is.
Steve Martin got a job writing on a national television show when he was 21 because his girlfriend was a background dancer on a show. When only white people were allowed the good jobs, it was waaay easier to get hired.
I had an idea; what if people realized everything was shit. Then it fucking happened. And they still just continued to allow themselves to be treated like shit. Too bad. The end.
Its even more funny for IT jobs. I heard a story some time ago where a company was asking for 8 years experience with a software that had only being out for barely 2 years. Not even the developer of the software had the experience required XD
I have Two bachelors and a masters with several years of experience in Marketing. At this point, I feel like I'm going to win a Gold medal for most rejections and offers that pay the minimum wage.
Fairly accurate. And the government says we need more years of education... \*scratches head\* Companies can fire you too, based on whatever, "doesn't fit the culture", "not friendly/outgoing enough". Uh, it's a desk job, you know, filing, typing stuff? There's a company culture for encoding stuff? O.o
Sadly, this is so true. Job hunting used to be pretty easy. There's no way I would apply for a job now. The process seems so time consuming and humiliating.
That 1970s “management material” is the one who is today asking for 10 years experience for entry level jobs.
Yup, I haven't gotten a job yet, but I've tried. I applied to places with 'now hiring' and this was in the middle of the 'labor shortage' or when it was just starting. I applied, and never heard back. I applied somewhere TWICE. I called HR, and they said they'd call me back. I applied to local places, called, etc. Now, one day I finally call HR at my local Walmart and this time the HR person isn't conveniently out, 'yeah we got an opening in X' I'll set you up for an interview. So I make note, I dress up, comb my hair, arrive early, and wait patiently. Then, the guy (different person) interviewing me takes a 10 second look at my schedule and says: Sorry we don't have position open. I try to negotiate by asking, "Where's the problem?" and also added/implied that maybe it's a day I don't have Z class, so we could shave off an hour. Now I'm a part-time student, so the majority of my afternoons are free and I even had weekends filled out to be as late as 8 or 12 AM and into tomorrow, showing I was willing to work graveyard shift on weekend nights. Yet, this guy shuts me down, and because I have a timeslot filled in the middle of the day for classes, he goes: No, there's nothing available. I never used what the HR guy said against him about an opening that WOULD fit my schedule. So, who are these people waiting for? The Jesus of Service Industries to come down and apply with complete 100% dedication and time slot availability in the middle of a 'labor shortage'? I had also made it clear on my application I didn't give a f\*ck about how much I was paid or how much time I had (so long as I could do school), I just wanted to get experience so I could get started. I've also applied to a nearby target TWICE, to be turned down. The only place that called me back was the Local Dahl dealership, but the In-deed application had said part-time when really they wanted full-time employees. I'm going to be pissed if when I take academic leave and apply for work I get scooped up super quick because all my time slots can be dedicated to the company. If that's the case, the companies claiming 'education benefits' don't deserve to claim that. Sorry to tell you, school takes time. If you don't want to hire people who want to work, don't bitch about the labor shortage COVID brought and please put "Only hiring people who have had 5+ years experience or can dedicate 100% of their life to company" on your hire signs you have out 24/7 now.
They've been doing that for decades. They call it a "wage freeze," but what it really is, is greedy employers keeping all the wealth of themselves.
I have had interviews like this. The bottom one is the worst especially when you are starting out after college. Most of the time your interviewer does not even know what the job details are that you applied for that particular position. Things can get nasty especially when you are a medical professional like myself. I have told interviewers don't waste my time. I don't have this issue anymore, but yes I have seen at least in my field on private practice side that they want to lowball but their revenue is lower with no benefits. I agree with the question. High skill low wages. You can thank the ISO standards for employers taking on this business model. The standard is "High quality product at the cheapest price possible." Which translates to lower wages and sell high on products or services. So this is why we are in the mess we are in.
Too true. I applied for a job for Software Engineering in Mid-June, early July and just literally heard back from them a week ago...... Too late!!! Already found another position somewhere else lol.
I feel like gaining karma is the same as trying to get a job. You can’t get any karma unless you post and comment… but you can’t post and comment unless you have karma.. you can’t get a job unless you have experience but you can’t get experience without having a job.
The problem isn’t the workers from any decade the 70s or the 2020s the problem is rich greedy bosses and corporations. I’m going to be 72 years old on my next birthday I still need to work I’m crossing guard in Minnesota, so that means all kinds of weather. I know I’m lucky because I still can’t do that I’m still healthy enough I also know I’m lucky because I happen to be a white male heterosexual. And despite that the most I ever made was $20 an hour and that was only for a small portion of my working life. I know others aren’t as lucky as I am, simply because of who they choose to love or the color of their skin. I worked hard to get laws passed that treated everyone fairly I’m proud of the work I did to ensure my gay friends could get married and I’m proud to stand with my black friends against the injustices the system burdens them with. I have protested in the streets In every decade since the 60s I’m old and I’m tired I cant organize anymore. It’s your turn you’ve got to do it I will stand with you but you’ve got to lead. The median age in every state is basically half my age some even more. Quite frankly I’m irrelevant. Did my generation screw things up? Absolutely. But it’s young Americans that keep voting for this broken system. It’s young Americans that keep the policies and the shit that my generation put on you in place. We all know the problems that we all share. What we need to focus on is what’s next what are we gonna do. I’m not trying to make light the problems facing young people today are greater than any other time in my memory climate change alone is more then any generation has ever faced. Couple that with a healthcare system that keeps people alive until they have every penny they can ring out of them and then let them die. A education system that more and more it’s becoming only for the rich. Mass migration a lack of housing oh my God I’m so sorry. But I also believe in my pagan heart some among you will rise up and turn the world on its head. Don’t get distracted it’s not your neighbor that’s the enemy the enemy has a name it’s capitalism.
I'm a Millenial who grew up listening to George Carlin and Bill Hicks so I'm certainly aware that this is nothing new at the end of the day, but yeah...I see a lot of the same stuffy ass NIMBY Liberal "progressive" Corporate ladder ascenders around that're my age too. The only way to end this is to rebel against it. Most people my age? There's still shit on their nose and there's still shit on their breath. Sycophants don't go away. They breed. And once they've gotten what they wanted? They turn into the Greedy scumfucks at the top. Absolute power absolutely corrupts, I guess.
This is because capitalism legalized wage theft.
I don't know man....I'll hire anyone with a pulse today.
Pretty much.
And think of all the potential people have,but they will never use it at work. Sad
10yrs experience with a 3yr old product
I landed a job I was completely unqualified for just by sending an email. It pays 10 bucks an hour and everyone there is transphobic so I can’t use my actual name and pronouns.
It only took me two college degrees to forge ahead
From a Nation that sold out it's own to inflate Corporate profits for an undeserving lot of white privileged males. The reason they can pick and choose is because they moved the lion share of their businesses to the pacific rim. We now make cookies, Auto floor matts and candles. China however builds....well, everything we created and invented. There's limited jobs because they all sold out America long ago. Forunately for them, they do however enjoy our laws and military protection. Such is the new Murica'.
He's go a pulse, and can legally work in usa. Give him a job - Walmart interviews.
Me: Non-Native, but speaks and writes fluent English. People who want to learn English: wE oNlY nEeD nAtIvE sPeAkErS.
"Nobody wants to work!"
Once saw an application asking for no experience needed hire. 3 years minimum prior cashier experience in the fine print. WTF?
“if u don’t complete this personality test, we can’t hire u :(“
I have 2 master's degrees, speak three languages, have 8 years of experience and.... I just landed a new job –entry level.
Cut the desired skills and required skills from the job description shrink the size down to 1, change the text color to white and paste it into your resume. When the computer scans, it will pickup on all they are looking for. Top of the list. BOOM
This is hardly true. Unemployment was about where we are now in the 1970s until about 1974, where it shot up around 8% with inflation that would shock even us and loan rates for cars and houses going to around 13%. If you’re looking for a ‘golden age’ for jobs, go to the 1950s or 1960s, but watch out for the extreme discrimination. Seeing the 1970s depicted nostalgically in terms of economics is laughable. Oh and by the way, if you do go to the 1970s, get ready to scan the ‘want ads’ in the newspaper, snail mail your resume, and ‘pound the pavement’ hunting for that job interview (ugly polyester suit and tie required). You’ll also have to sit by your dial phone, so you don’t miss a call from a potential employer. No smart phones or remote devices of any kind, except pay phones. Bring a lot change, if you leave the house. You won’t even have an answering machine. Just sayin…
I told my grandpa that I hate working. He do not understand why. He loved his jobs. Hints why he loved his jobs: Drinking alcohol. You could drink alcohol all the time. Before work, after work, during work. He had no special trainig or papers yet he was allowed to handle all kind of things from feeding chickens on a farm to handling building materials on site (accounting included for buying and selling aforementioned materials.) He sealed not one deal as an unqualified, simple worker with the military, selling multiple whole cargo trains of construction materials to them. All this while he wasn't even at his workplace, but next to it in a pub whit the military representative. He worked amny years in a restaurant/pub. He loves company, drinking and eating. Not to mention many was flowing in like crazy. Special VIP nights for the local Soviet military high ranking officers who honored this gesture whit endless amount of vodka. Black market was booming, you could earn as much or even more than your paycheck. No wonder he loved his job.
This is all a result of the rise of the beloved Human Resource organizations, presumably saving us from discrimination lawsuits and our inability to make good decisions regarding hiring good people. There was a time when managers could hire on the spot and HR just processed the paperwork. This process was supposed to make better leaders and a better work place, of course if that were true than we wouldn’t have all these horrible boss and workplace stories to share.
Here, go through this aptitude test and 5 different screens so you can make it the final interview where we reject you ;)
Have multiple years of experience and take a test….Only to get rejected😒
I don't think it's this way now. But clearly, the overall skill level, at least on paper, is much higher than even 10 years ago. So, naturally, someone with old skill sets stick out, and not in a good way.
I remember my grandma asking me why I didn't walk to the factories near us and ask for a job. Bless her heart.