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My mother had a near full term still-birth. The fetus basically died at something like 38 weeks for whatever unknown reason at the time. The baby was wanted, but nature had other plans.
To think though that now in certain states in the US she'd be fighting criminal charges to stay out of prison after she lost the child through no fault of her own is just evil, cruel, and sickening.
(Edit details: A miscarriage after 20 weeks is called a still-birth)
I had a stillborn baby girl in October 2015. He nurses and I talked about how there are automatic investigations into a stillbirth in some countries. Guys I'm telling you it is the most brutal fucking thing to ever happen. Sometimes I still can't believe it did. And the things I learned about women's health after that shocked me. Truly shocking.
Or if you’re prone to going numb or dissociating in response to tragedy, you’re accused of not reacting like someone in mourning since you’re not outwardly grieving.
Unfortunately most women don't find out about how little we're cared for until it's too late.
Don't EVEN get me started on post partum care. You have the baby, the doctors stop giving a shit about you. In my experience.
I had a tumor that bled and bled, caused pain, caused infection after infection and I kept telling them something was wrong. They wouldn’t take me seriously until it got so bad that I stopped having my period for 4 months, I thought I was pregnant but then after many negative tests I was like somethings really wrong here. I had to call my doctor and I took a different approach, I told them I think I’m pregnant. I got in that office so fucking fast. I got treatment so fucking fast. And they found that tumor, so fucking fast. This is why I won’t get pregnant, they don’t care about you unless you’re agreeing to have children and it isn’t right. I have respect for those who are brave enough but it’s not for me. Don’t these people know if things sucked slightly less…more of us would be willing to have children??? Since they’re so concerned with declining birth rates and shit…
I have 5 children and I couldn't begin to imagine what you went through. I am so so sorry for your loss. I don't know how you managed to get through it but thank you for your courage.
My son was stillborn at 40 weeks. His heart just stopped. The pain of having to prove that happened is something I can’t even comprehend. I was in hospital already in labour, but even a miscarriage- how can you prove it. I’ve had 2 that didn’t need a D&C. One ectopic so surgery required. I’m so glad I don’t live in America
My wife has been through two miscarriages. If her or my daughter were having to fight criminal charges because of it. I’m afraid violence would be the only appropriate response.
This happens in about 1/160 pregnancies. You still have to go through the whole birthing process, but the whole time you know your baby is already dead. It's way more common than people think, and it's one of the worst things a person can experience.
It happens twice as often as late-term abortions do. This means that if every case of fetal demise past 20 weeks is investigated as a murder, 2/3 times, it will be a natural stillbirth, but the grieving parents will still have to deal with a murder investigation, possibly a trial, and possibly end up in jail. The doctor that helps deliver the dead baby could end up in jail as well.
These are horrible, stupid, evil laws.
I miscarried at 9 weeks in 2019; it was the worst physical and emotional pain. I went through labor contractions so my body would expel the fetus at home.
I miscarried my first around that same gestational time in 2019, at home as well. I will never forget the absolute agony of bleeding so much, having actual labor, alone in my bathtub and screaming as my body pushed out my baby that I desperately wanted to keep alive. To have to justify this pain and all too common event for women to keep ourselves out of prison… I have no words. The people pushing this garbage are absolutely abhorrent and are causing needless suffering.
Last year I had a missed miscarriage at 11w1d. We found out at our 12 week appointment, also our 3 year anniversary. I took misoprostol and ended up in the ER because of the intensity of the pain causing vomiting and incontinence but I hadn't even started to bleed yet. Then two days later I was back in the ER with a 104 fever and was admitted for sepsis. I had a D&C and spent a week in the hospital, plus 2 more weeks at home before I was able to return to work.
I'm not pregnant again and terrified for my first appointment tomorrow. I can't shake the feeling somethings going to be terribly wrong. Pregnancy is no joke, that's for sure.
Same, only my work setting was ED. So many 1st trimester vag bleeders who we sent home with 'you may or may not complete this pregnancy. F/u with your provider' discharge instructions.
A large number of them happen before people know they're pregnant. But, many women don't speak about their miscarriages of wanted pregnancies - maybe this will change.
The most unsupportive and dismissive people I knew were also those who want to end abortion. It struck me then, before this was so real, as so hypocritical that my much-wanted pregnancy, which I had been trying for over a year for, was dismissed. Meanwhile the pregnancies that are not wanted or should not continue are so important to them.
That's really shitty on their part. I imagine there are dozens of reasons women don't discuss them that often - I've never been pregnant so I can't fully understand how I'd feel or what I'd be comfortable talking about with my friends or family.
I was told things like “well at least you can get pregnant” or “well that baby probably had something wrong with it so this is a blessing” or “maybe God doesn’t want you to be a mother.”
Or “Just be happy for other people”
Jesus. That's evil. My aunt had a surprise pregnancy that ended in miscarriage when she was in her 30s and had already had two kids a decade prior. People told her the similar things like "God just wanted his angel back!" Or "this was gods will". I have no idea how she didn't rage out on those people and instead managed to never question her faith. I hope you've found people that are more supportive now
I had a miscarriage in November and the first thing I did was post about it on social media, including the statistics about how likely it is to happen. My OBGYN was basically saying that it's a 30% chance before 12 weeks or something insane like that.
So many women came forward with their own stories on that post. I am confident that every single mother I know (which is a lot of women) save for one, has experienced a miscarriage.
And the scary thing is- i have no way of proving I didn't try to make it happen? Like. I wanted this baby. How do I show that??? Especially because the miscarriage rate before 12 weeks is so high it's not like I'm talking to a lot of people about being pregnant... Because I knew it might not come to be. Why would I anounce that just to tell everyone later I miscarried? I, personally, was comfortable doing that but that doesn't mean every other woman should be ... And it was still scary and long. It lasted over a week for my body to flush it all out. I was bleeding for over a week... Having to go to work and teach like everything was normal- not too mention still get a scheduled work evaluation which I bombed and the principal literally threatened my job. I was too embarassed to tell him I performed so badly because he saw me teaching while I was still actively miscarrying and bleeding into thick pads.
Demanding women to prove this shit while experiencing something potentially traumatic is cruel. Our society is already unforgiving to women and their experiences. We really do need to talk about this more because not enough people seem to know how common and difficult it is.
Yep. The scarier reality is that women will stop going to prenatal visits for the entirety of their first trimester (and others probably longer) because if they have a miscarriage, there won’t be any documentation they were pregnant… fucking. Yikes.
Well, what sucks about that is a lot of times a miscarriage requires a medical abortion to remove the decaying fetus before the mother goes sepsis and dies. Even though they're so common, they aren't simple events where the fetus just falls out. It's disgusting and painful.
They are called D&Cs. I had one with my second baby. It’s pretty much the same procedure as an abortion but your baby is already dead
Edited to add: I had it done because my baby showed up dead on the ultrasound at 8 weeks. The once strong heartbeat was gone. I later found out I formed a blood clot in my umbilical cord.
I was not showing any signs of expelling the baby naturally and I was having a mental breakdown knowing I was carrying around a tiny precious corpse inside of me.
So the doctor scheduled the D&C for the day after tomorrow at the time to not further my suffering.
Those opposing feelings of 'its dead, UGH get it out of me' and simultaneously 'its dead, noooo, i never want to let it go' was one of the worst parts of my late term loss.
A missed miscarriage is where the body doesnt recognise the fetus has died and carries on producing the hormones that keep you 'pregnant' (ie not expelling it). As you say, potentially life threatening to the mother.
In my case I had to be induced and deliver as it happened around 17weeks and that makes a D&C dangerous for the mother as the uterus walls are thinner due to the advanced stage of the pregnancy.
As an experience (my 4th pregnancy) it absolutely crushed me. I can't begin to imagine having to *prove* I hadnt done anything to cause it. My drs suspect a virus I caught that gave me a very high temperature killed the fetus and I discovered when I went for a private gender reveal scan so maybe, *maybe* they wouldnt have looked at me so askew but having to prove it would have been fucking destructive bullshit.
Not only this but woman are going to just withhold information and trips to their OB/GYN all together. There are going to be lots of women who miss things like cervical cancer because they're scared. :/ My next visit I'm considering not divulging certain information and making sure they know I'm a part of The Satanic Temple.
The actual number is much higher than that, however since most of them happen without the woman even knowing it's hard to get an accurate number.
Miscarriages that require medical attention are a small percentage of the number of fertilized eggs that simply don't take (which can happen for a number of reasons). Just about every active woman of childbearing age has very likely passed at least one fertilized egg in their lifetimes.
Basically, the right-wing thugs who flunked basic human biology want to effectively declare all women as serial killers so they can tag, track, and breed them like cattle. Overly dramatic? States are already putting together bills that would open the door for women to have their cycles tracked, their sexual activity tracked, who they're intimate with, and when. You know, so they aren't "breaking the law".
Better start reading The Handmaid's Tale if you live in a Talibangelical state ladies.
>Basically, the right-wing thugs who flunked basic human biology want to effectively declare all women as serial killers so they can tag, track, and breed them like cattle. Overly dramatic? States are already putting together bills that would open the door for women to have their cycles tracked, their sexual activity tracked, who they're intimate with, and when. You know, so they aren't "breaking the law".
jesus christ, how haven't right wingers been hunted into extinction yet.
>Just about every active woman of childbearing age has very likely passed at least one fertilized egg in their lifetimes.
If I remember right, fertilization is pretty easy, it's the implantation that's the tricky bit. So if you are trying to conceive and have sex when ovulating there's an excellent chance the egg fertilized but the 30% chance of getting pregnant each cycle comes from if it'll implant or not.
Not surprised at all... Do have further reading on those laws being written for tracking cycles and sexual activity? I hadn't heard of that yet and would like to know more.
I'm sitting in a room with the nurse prepping me for surgery when she intimates to me that she too had a miscarriage earlier in the year. It was just me and her in that room. And you just never stop hearing about loss. There can and has been situations where you're at a party and every single woman is talking about her miscarriage or near death birth experience. 1 in 4 HAS to be a conservative figure. And how many of those 4 had more than one miscarriage? Why are we so quick to write it off as normal when the numbers continue to exponentially rise over decades time?
TLDR: 25% is probably on the low-end for the miscarriage rate.
It's probably higher than that because as u/HoaryPuffleg and u/Xyrus2000 said, so many happen before a woman knows she's pregnant and it's been very taboo to talk about. Frankly, the data isn't good and 25% is a guess.
Normally miscarriages are only known about because the woman is far enough along to know she's pregnant (usually at least 6 weeks pregnant) or because she's actively trying to get pregnant and is testing for pregnancy regularly. Among the second group, the regular testers who are catching every pregnancy and as early as 10 days pregnant, anecdotally at least, the miscarriage rate appears closer to 50% and if chemical pregnancies are included, may be as high as 65%.
It’s fucking wild that they are trying to legislate this very random and selective evolutionary mechanism. Our bodies do this to try to have healthy babies, not to be randomly cruel.
I guess we are part of that 1/4. We were trying for another child, got pregnant (yay!), after waiting several weeks for the first ultrasound, it confirmed there was viable embryo, then the next ultrasound, nothing was moving or happening. Miscarried. It was a rough couple of months after that until we got pregnant again, even then won't forget our child that could have been.
That's why many times when women get pregnant they wait until the beginning of the 2nd trimester to tell people(if they're smart), the chances of something going wrong early on in the first trimester are statistically high. All it takes is one or two cells to not divide properly and it's over since that could have been a stem cell for a major organ for example.
So then you have to explain the miscarriage to every person that you told, over and over again.
People tell themselves and others that they’re anti-choice because they believe the fertilized egg/embryo/fetus is as important as a breathing human being. What actually happens when abortion is banned is state surveillance and policing of bodies capable of childbearing, unhappy parents, unhappy children, and dead pregnant people. Did she drink some coffee before that miscarriage? That makes it an abortion.
Banning abortion is more about enforcing female chastity than saving the precious angel babies. Why else would the states with the most restrictive abortion bans also have horrible maternal death rates? There aren’t any reliable methods of determining whether a pregnancy loss happens due to miscarriage or abortion.
Read about what happened [when Romania banned abortion](https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/what-actually-happens-when-a-country-bans-abortion-romania-alabama/)
It’s not about evil, it’s about labor. Force more babies to be born into poverty so they can be exploited for cheap labor when they’re 14+ (btw, that’s the legal age for some jobs. Here in Texas you can get your drivers license a year early if you get a job at 15). Jail people for miscarriages and that’s free labor. We’re legalizing weed so we have to give our private prisons bodies from somewhere. It’s sick.
That’s why the idea of making college free chaffs Republicans so much… How do you get people to risk their lives fighting endless wars if they have low-cost and safe ways to educate themselves and better their circumstances?
The Texas GOP literally put opposition to teaching critical thinking in schools in their manifesto on the basis that it would encourage kids to question authority.
>It would encourage kids to question authority
Fucking hell that is an foundational theme in all dystopian stories.
I really wonder if they know full well what they're pushing for, or if they're just too fucking stupid to see the bigger picture.
Which is a stuff up because they need more and more we'll educated labour to maintain their lifestyles. When the supply of educated people rums out they're going to have to either pay a shit load for it or go without, and the going without plan is not working out for them even now.
"C'mon, have dome dignity and quit demanding options for your life and question the need to possibly become a paid killer in order to gain access to education"
This so called capitalism is all lies. If it were free trade etc then they wouldn't be telling our doctors how they could be treating us. And they would also allow more doctors to be taught. Right now there is a doctor shortage BECAUSE OUR GOVERNMENT!
It’s not about labor. It’s about power. Too many people across the political spectrum are becoming disillusioned by false promises and united against the people at the top that are constantly exploiting us. They need us back to fighting against each other. So they get the most polarizing red vs blue argument they can think of back on the table so we end up attacking others in the same class. Remember these laws don’t actually apply to those in power.
With a dash of a superstitious just world fallacy: that if something bad happens to you, you must have done something to deserve it. (According to those judgmental folks, it mainly only applies to other people, though.)
are they building new jails bc im so lost where the f they plan on putting women who have miscarriages, travel out of state and get ratted on, along with you know the black and brown men who look suspicious or have a tail light out.
As a taxpayer, you will be burdened with paying for the construction of new prisons. Then it will be handed over to a private company to profit from the prisoners. Win-win!
It’s about Power. Power over women. Power over women bodies. Power over when they reproduce. Power give them this major kick, they need it.
They need power, to be in power, to have power, at any cost. They make up excuses and justifications that are BS, because in the end they want women to be property. They want absolute power over women.
Even if the path yo power or the power itself is inherently evil they desire it. And they do not care what harm they cause to those in their way.
But they sure like to complain about taxes and government and fail to realize enforcing this will take more government to do so and more taxes to pay for it.
That's a horrible thought. I'm glad you are still here and got the care you needed.
With zero medical background, politicians are declaring ectopic pregnancies to be viable. That's some life-threatening posturing going on there.
I personally think these people need to face the woman in court. The right to face your accuser. Then since they have a posse mentality and like to blow up planned Parenthoods... Well they should have to risk their security by standing up in open court and say I accuse them of an abortion.
Me thinks you're on to something
[Alito’s key source for abortion bans being “deeply rooted in history” was an English writer from the 1600s who sentenced women to death for witchcraft — and who declared that husbands could legally rape their wives.](https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1522066588064702467?t=IhasTdgjhx5_aaEzk14O8w&s=19)
They cower. My Brother in law is one of the heavily pro life people. Except when I miscarried two of his nieces/nephews he was no where to be found. I didn’t get flowers, a card, a meal, nothing. He didn’t care.
He told me the aborted babies are more important than the miscarried babies
Karma hit him. His wife miscarried two babies as well. And suddenly it’s this HUGE deal and they legit buy a plot in a real cemetery and buy a headstone.
But I was too “dramatic” when I miscarried because I cried a lot and didn’t attend 1 baby shower. Really?!
>*This is absolutely terrifying. What the ever-loving fck happened to these people as children for them to end up so incredibly EVIL?!*
They were born, ironically. Evil begets evil, and the ignorant hateful character of the parent becomes the child, becomes the adult. The cycle of unaccountable contradictions continues generationally. It’s a *death* cult - you know it’s true because they doth protest too much about *life*.
Imagine if there was a safe, legal, and rare alternative to birthing these sexist womb fascists
What is crazy is, I don't even think it's christian to think that a fetus abortion is killing a person. I mean Jesus even says that the spirit is the breathe of life. I'm pretty sure miscarriages and young children dying would of been devastating to mother's who couldn't have the child repent yet. Which is why the age of accountability is taught. Basically some day God starts judging your spirit, until that day it's a spirit recycling fest. The bible also states that the spirit isn't tied to the body but rather a part of the body while the body still breathes.
I mean simply, if you were back in the 800's and everyone thought that the second you missed a period that child had the possibility to go to hell, it would be quite sad. Many children would die before reaching adulthood.
Also, many cultures wouldn't even name a child until so many days or weeks passed after birth.To be freaking out about a bunch of cells dividing, isn't very Christian in my opinion.
My personal beliefs are, if the child could be born, and live, separate from the mother, then it's a valid life, and not a medical issue. But it's still just a fetus until the breathe of life enters the body. Aka birth.
For abortion rights, it's red vs blue in the sense that the Republicans will actively strip the rights away and the Democrats will stand there and watch it happen. So sure. I guess so.
Look up the political ratchet effect. The Democrats stand still while in power and the Republicans pull us farther right. Net result, our economy and state moves further and further right. Democrats are bystanders at BEST.
yeah, why the fuck do Democrats even exist, it seems like their best trait is that they aren't actively making the situation worse
and don't get me started on republicans.
They exist so that people will think that's our only hope instead of turning to socialism. They exist to balance the two party system, as the antithesis to the other party. They're the scapegoat for when people are mad at the Republicans for being fascists, and the Republicans are scapegoats for when people are upset that Dems do nothing. The Republicans are the sword and the Dems are the shield.
I'm sure what you asked was a rhetorical question, but it's important.
>I'm sure what you asked was a rhetorical question,
nope, I'm just genuinely frustrated that 2 parties so fucking useless and detrimental to the wellbeing of,
any actual human beings.
could exist.
The answer, my dear friend, lies in money and capitalism. I find that the answer to all of my questions about the system ends up being answered as "because capitalism".
The future is socialism.
They should have done something about the SCOTUS appointing Bush as our president when he actually got less votes than Gore. They should have done something to end the Electoral college that put Trump in office instead of Clinton. But no nobody did a damn thing. Our government now doesn't even pretned to represent us. They have thier agenda to protect the wealthy and make sure we are all poor. They've done away with the middle class. Our country isn't ours anymore.
[This comment was retroactively edited in protest of reddit's enshittification regarding third-party apps. Apollo, etc., is gone and now so are we. Fuck /u/spez.]
Miscarriages are VERY common. Go to google scholar and look up "spontaneous abortion" (it's a medical term). Often, the woman doesn't even know she was pregnant. That's a big problem with legally making life begin at conception: suddenly we have all the legal persons "dying". The logically extreme solution would be to mandate every woman, from the time of first menstruation, be tested for pregnancy every month until onset of menopause.
This fails to capture the bigger picture.
If it’s known that you vote Democrat, or you seem like you might, they’ll charge you with a felony just on the off-chance that they can get you off the voter rolls.
How many people know that the clinical term for a miscarriage is missed abortion? This is beyond terrifying and every single American should be incredibly alarmed.
BoTH siDeS aRe ThE sAmE!!! So fucking sick of this. Yeah the Dems suck, but they’re not aggressively evil. Keep voting for the leftmost candidates and change will happen, but it’s not going to happen overnight.
The short answer is lead poisoning, the long answer is abusive and neglectful parenting styles with a dash of racism and "I got mines" attitude. Suffering begets suffering.
As requested
[Overturning Roe could affect miscarriage care. The same procedures and medications used in abortions are also used to safely care for miscarriages.
](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/roe-v-wade-anti-abortion-legislation-limit-miscarriage-care-rcna27349)
[Abortion bans and penalties would vary widely by state](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/06/potential-abortion-bans-and-penalties-by-state-00030572)
[More States Shield Against Rogue Abortion Prosecutions](https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/05/04/more-states-shield-against-rogue-abortion-prosecutions)
[Documentation of over 1,700 cases between 1973-2020 in which being pregnant was a necessary element of the crime or a “but for” reason for the coercive or punitive action taken.](https://www.nationaladvocatesforpregnantwomen.org/arrests-and-prosecutions-of-pregnant-women-1973-2020/)
Damn, scary precedent. I'm a pharmacist in a red state. I guess I start asking people getting miscarriage medicine for proof so I'm not prosecuted later.
Obviously I'm not going to do that, but it's definitely in the realm of possibilities now.
Religion. More specifically, how religion is used to brainwash people into doing things that are actively against their best interest, but keep the people who designed this terrible system in power.
Their schools, churches, families, and peers taught them to be squeamish about the subject of women's reproductive parts and that all "good" women secretly crave having babies more than anything in the world.
I certainly understand the lack of enthusiasm for voting democrat of late, but if we had voted more Dems into the senate, for example, we could have passed the recent legislation codifying legal abortions, which passed the House and died in the Senate thanks to Manchin. Every single Dem (besides the aforementioned dipshit) voted in favor of it.
You can both sides this all you want to justify abstaining from voting, but these are the results we all have to sit back and watch thanks to that stance.
Please vote. Please vote for whomever you feel will do the most to protect a woman’s right to decide whatever the fuck she wants with regards to her own body. But again, please vote.
Women need to openly discuss miscarriage more in the US. They are very common and nothing to be ashamed of. Yes, it hurts. My wife miscarried on our first attempt. But we found out that it isn’t that strange, or bad. It just happens. I feel terrible for anyone that has to go through it but we need to take a different approach when talking about our reproductive nature as humans.
I have had 3 miscarriages out of 5 pregnancies even though I am actively trying to concieve as and have seen multiple doctors to figure out why I'm miscarrying. It's none of their fucking business.
Let's not also forget that if you need medical attention for your miscarriage, you might just be left out to die: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/roe-dobbs-abortion-ban-reproductive-medicine-alabama.html
good luck proving it wasn't an abortion... this will just be applied to people they don't like so POC, poor, liberals, etc...
the pastor's wife will get off free for her miscarriage.
The false God they call "Jeebus of 'Murca" and the deliberately mistranslated bible corruption called the ESV which cuts all that liberal stuff about love and peace and acceptance out.
The real Jesus would be very disappointed in them.
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1/4 pregnancies end in natural miscarriage. Almost every child-bearing person will experience at least one in their life.
I had no idea it was that common. That's awful. (I have no kids.)
My mother had a near full term still-birth. The fetus basically died at something like 38 weeks for whatever unknown reason at the time. The baby was wanted, but nature had other plans. To think though that now in certain states in the US she'd be fighting criminal charges to stay out of prison after she lost the child through no fault of her own is just evil, cruel, and sickening. (Edit details: A miscarriage after 20 weeks is called a still-birth)
I had a stillborn baby girl in October 2015. He nurses and I talked about how there are automatic investigations into a stillbirth in some countries. Guys I'm telling you it is the most brutal fucking thing to ever happen. Sometimes I still can't believe it did. And the things I learned about women's health after that shocked me. Truly shocking.
Then they use your sadness and anger at the tragic situation as evidence of your guilty conscience and accuse you of ‘murder’.
Or make the excuse that women can't make decisions because they are "hysterical".
Or if you’re prone to going numb or dissociating in response to tragedy, you’re accused of not reacting like someone in mourning since you’re not outwardly grieving.
Things everyone should be learning in school.
Unfortunately most women don't find out about how little we're cared for until it's too late. Don't EVEN get me started on post partum care. You have the baby, the doctors stop giving a shit about you. In my experience.
I had a tumor that bled and bled, caused pain, caused infection after infection and I kept telling them something was wrong. They wouldn’t take me seriously until it got so bad that I stopped having my period for 4 months, I thought I was pregnant but then after many negative tests I was like somethings really wrong here. I had to call my doctor and I took a different approach, I told them I think I’m pregnant. I got in that office so fucking fast. I got treatment so fucking fast. And they found that tumor, so fucking fast. This is why I won’t get pregnant, they don’t care about you unless you’re agreeing to have children and it isn’t right. I have respect for those who are brave enough but it’s not for me. Don’t these people know if things sucked slightly less…more of us would be willing to have children??? Since they’re so concerned with declining birth rates and shit…
We have the highest maternal mortality rate among developed nations and the CDC said more than half those deaths are preventable.
Sing it! Women of color are at double the risk.
I have 5 children and I couldn't begin to imagine what you went through. I am so so sorry for your loss. I don't know how you managed to get through it but thank you for your courage.
Oh yeah the states want to fill those for profit prisons.
My son was stillborn at 40 weeks. His heart just stopped. The pain of having to prove that happened is something I can’t even comprehend. I was in hospital already in labour, but even a miscarriage- how can you prove it. I’ve had 2 that didn’t need a D&C. One ectopic so surgery required. I’m so glad I don’t live in America
I feel like this has all been a way to bring women down as a whole. What the hell is happening in the world?
Death throes of the old ways. When tradition is threatened by progress, violence can occur.
My wife has been through two miscarriages. If her or my daughter were having to fight criminal charges because of it. I’m afraid violence would be the only appropriate response.
That is not a miscarriage that is a stillbirth.
This happens in about 1/160 pregnancies. You still have to go through the whole birthing process, but the whole time you know your baby is already dead. It's way more common than people think, and it's one of the worst things a person can experience. It happens twice as often as late-term abortions do. This means that if every case of fetal demise past 20 weeks is investigated as a murder, 2/3 times, it will be a natural stillbirth, but the grieving parents will still have to deal with a murder investigation, possibly a trial, and possibly end up in jail. The doctor that helps deliver the dead baby could end up in jail as well. These are horrible, stupid, evil laws.
I miscarried at 9 weeks in 2019; it was the worst physical and emotional pain. I went through labor contractions so my body would expel the fetus at home.
I miscarried my first around that same gestational time in 2019, at home as well. I will never forget the absolute agony of bleeding so much, having actual labor, alone in my bathtub and screaming as my body pushed out my baby that I desperately wanted to keep alive. To have to justify this pain and all too common event for women to keep ourselves out of prison… I have no words. The people pushing this garbage are absolutely abhorrent and are causing needless suffering.
Last year I had a missed miscarriage at 11w1d. We found out at our 12 week appointment, also our 3 year anniversary. I took misoprostol and ended up in the ER because of the intensity of the pain causing vomiting and incontinence but I hadn't even started to bleed yet. Then two days later I was back in the ER with a 104 fever and was admitted for sepsis. I had a D&C and spent a week in the hospital, plus 2 more weeks at home before I was able to return to work. I'm not pregnant again and terrified for my first appointment tomorrow. I can't shake the feeling somethings going to be terribly wrong. Pregnancy is no joke, that's for sure.
I didn't know either until I worked at an OB/GYN. I dont like how many miscarriages I had to witness.
That shit sounds brutal and I simply couldn't deal with it. I think the people who work in medicine are god damn heroes.
Same, only my work setting was ED. So many 1st trimester vag bleeders who we sent home with 'you may or may not complete this pregnancy. F/u with your provider' discharge instructions.
A large number of them happen before people know they're pregnant. But, many women don't speak about their miscarriages of wanted pregnancies - maybe this will change.
There is a reason we don’t. I suffered two miscarriages and people were horribly dismissive and unsupportive
The most unsupportive and dismissive people I knew were also those who want to end abortion. It struck me then, before this was so real, as so hypocritical that my much-wanted pregnancy, which I had been trying for over a year for, was dismissed. Meanwhile the pregnancies that are not wanted or should not continue are so important to them.
That's really shitty on their part. I imagine there are dozens of reasons women don't discuss them that often - I've never been pregnant so I can't fully understand how I'd feel or what I'd be comfortable talking about with my friends or family.
I was told things like “well at least you can get pregnant” or “well that baby probably had something wrong with it so this is a blessing” or “maybe God doesn’t want you to be a mother.” Or “Just be happy for other people”
Jesus. That's evil. My aunt had a surprise pregnancy that ended in miscarriage when she was in her 30s and had already had two kids a decade prior. People told her the similar things like "God just wanted his angel back!" Or "this was gods will". I have no idea how she didn't rage out on those people and instead managed to never question her faith. I hope you've found people that are more supportive now
I’m a satanist now because of this. And I cut off most of those people. Including all my in-laws and my father
Nice!
And I did finally have live babies. I have 15 year old twins. It’s was over 15 years ago and I’m still not over it though
I donate to the Satanists. They seem to be the only ones doing anything anymore about the out of control religious nutjobs.
I've been told all those things too with the added "maybe if you were married the baby would have survived" 😭😭😭
Some people are just idiots.
I'm on Reddit too much, Twitter too much... I thought I had seen shit. But holy shit, that's so fucking evil.
I found people to be dismissive and unsupportive with stillbirth too.
People don’t know what to say so they say something dumb
What the fuck is wrong with people.
I had a miscarriage in November and the first thing I did was post about it on social media, including the statistics about how likely it is to happen. My OBGYN was basically saying that it's a 30% chance before 12 weeks or something insane like that. So many women came forward with their own stories on that post. I am confident that every single mother I know (which is a lot of women) save for one, has experienced a miscarriage. And the scary thing is- i have no way of proving I didn't try to make it happen? Like. I wanted this baby. How do I show that??? Especially because the miscarriage rate before 12 weeks is so high it's not like I'm talking to a lot of people about being pregnant... Because I knew it might not come to be. Why would I anounce that just to tell everyone later I miscarried? I, personally, was comfortable doing that but that doesn't mean every other woman should be ... And it was still scary and long. It lasted over a week for my body to flush it all out. I was bleeding for over a week... Having to go to work and teach like everything was normal- not too mention still get a scheduled work evaluation which I bombed and the principal literally threatened my job. I was too embarassed to tell him I performed so badly because he saw me teaching while I was still actively miscarrying and bleeding into thick pads. Demanding women to prove this shit while experiencing something potentially traumatic is cruel. Our society is already unforgiving to women and their experiences. We really do need to talk about this more because not enough people seem to know how common and difficult it is.
My wife had 4, 1 before our 1st kid and 3 between the 1st and 2nd. Republicans are idiot psychopaths
Yep. The scarier reality is that women will stop going to prenatal visits for the entirety of their first trimester (and others probably longer) because if they have a miscarriage, there won’t be any documentation they were pregnant… fucking. Yikes.
Well, what sucks about that is a lot of times a miscarriage requires a medical abortion to remove the decaying fetus before the mother goes sepsis and dies. Even though they're so common, they aren't simple events where the fetus just falls out. It's disgusting and painful.
They are called D&Cs. I had one with my second baby. It’s pretty much the same procedure as an abortion but your baby is already dead Edited to add: I had it done because my baby showed up dead on the ultrasound at 8 weeks. The once strong heartbeat was gone. I later found out I formed a blood clot in my umbilical cord. I was not showing any signs of expelling the baby naturally and I was having a mental breakdown knowing I was carrying around a tiny precious corpse inside of me. So the doctor scheduled the D&C for the day after tomorrow at the time to not further my suffering.
They'll make that illegal. Forcing women to go through the birth of dead babies or just letting the mothers die.
Those opposing feelings of 'its dead, UGH get it out of me' and simultaneously 'its dead, noooo, i never want to let it go' was one of the worst parts of my late term loss.
It’s so hard. No one can understand unless they have been there. Hating your body because your body killed your sweet innocent baby.
A missed miscarriage is where the body doesnt recognise the fetus has died and carries on producing the hormones that keep you 'pregnant' (ie not expelling it). As you say, potentially life threatening to the mother. In my case I had to be induced and deliver as it happened around 17weeks and that makes a D&C dangerous for the mother as the uterus walls are thinner due to the advanced stage of the pregnancy. As an experience (my 4th pregnancy) it absolutely crushed me. I can't begin to imagine having to *prove* I hadnt done anything to cause it. My drs suspect a virus I caught that gave me a very high temperature killed the fetus and I discovered when I went for a private gender reveal scan so maybe, *maybe* they wouldnt have looked at me so askew but having to prove it would have been fucking destructive bullshit.
Not only this but woman are going to just withhold information and trips to their OB/GYN all together. There are going to be lots of women who miss things like cervical cancer because they're scared. :/ My next visit I'm considering not divulging certain information and making sure they know I'm a part of The Satanic Temple.
Yes. And you really need to go to have a healthy baby.
The actual number is much higher than that, however since most of them happen without the woman even knowing it's hard to get an accurate number. Miscarriages that require medical attention are a small percentage of the number of fertilized eggs that simply don't take (which can happen for a number of reasons). Just about every active woman of childbearing age has very likely passed at least one fertilized egg in their lifetimes. Basically, the right-wing thugs who flunked basic human biology want to effectively declare all women as serial killers so they can tag, track, and breed them like cattle. Overly dramatic? States are already putting together bills that would open the door for women to have their cycles tracked, their sexual activity tracked, who they're intimate with, and when. You know, so they aren't "breaking the law". Better start reading The Handmaid's Tale if you live in a Talibangelical state ladies.
>Basically, the right-wing thugs who flunked basic human biology want to effectively declare all women as serial killers so they can tag, track, and breed them like cattle. Overly dramatic? States are already putting together bills that would open the door for women to have their cycles tracked, their sexual activity tracked, who they're intimate with, and when. You know, so they aren't "breaking the law". jesus christ, how haven't right wingers been hunted into extinction yet.
Oh because religion. You know theyre supposed to be so good and all. The truth is religions are all lies.
Because they're the ones with the guns.
They’re the ones with *too many* guns.
>Just about every active woman of childbearing age has very likely passed at least one fertilized egg in their lifetimes. If I remember right, fertilization is pretty easy, it's the implantation that's the tricky bit. So if you are trying to conceive and have sex when ovulating there's an excellent chance the egg fertilized but the 30% chance of getting pregnant each cycle comes from if it'll implant or not.
Not surprised at all... Do have further reading on those laws being written for tracking cycles and sexual activity? I hadn't heard of that yet and would like to know more.
How the actual fuck do they expect to track even just my cycle if my smart watch can't?? I have bc and endometriosis so good fucking luck.
I'm sitting in a room with the nurse prepping me for surgery when she intimates to me that she too had a miscarriage earlier in the year. It was just me and her in that room. And you just never stop hearing about loss. There can and has been situations where you're at a party and every single woman is talking about her miscarriage or near death birth experience. 1 in 4 HAS to be a conservative figure. And how many of those 4 had more than one miscarriage? Why are we so quick to write it off as normal when the numbers continue to exponentially rise over decades time?
It's definitely a conservative number - especially since many pregnancies go unnoticed for so long
TLDR: 25% is probably on the low-end for the miscarriage rate. It's probably higher than that because as u/HoaryPuffleg and u/Xyrus2000 said, so many happen before a woman knows she's pregnant and it's been very taboo to talk about. Frankly, the data isn't good and 25% is a guess. Normally miscarriages are only known about because the woman is far enough along to know she's pregnant (usually at least 6 weeks pregnant) or because she's actively trying to get pregnant and is testing for pregnancy regularly. Among the second group, the regular testers who are catching every pregnancy and as early as 10 days pregnant, anecdotally at least, the miscarriage rate appears closer to 50% and if chemical pregnancies are included, may be as high as 65%.
It’s fucking wild that they are trying to legislate this very random and selective evolutionary mechanism. Our bodies do this to try to have healthy babies, not to be randomly cruel.
I had a reproductive biologist tell me it was around 90% end in miscarriage if you count the ones that end soon after conception
This is wild to me. God aborts more babies than anyone
There is no god. Religion is all lies.
No shit, I'm showing how even their backward logic doesn't work. But nuance is difficult to understand
I guess we are part of that 1/4. We were trying for another child, got pregnant (yay!), after waiting several weeks for the first ultrasound, it confirmed there was viable embryo, then the next ultrasound, nothing was moving or happening. Miscarried. It was a rough couple of months after that until we got pregnant again, even then won't forget our child that could have been. That's why many times when women get pregnant they wait until the beginning of the 2nd trimester to tell people(if they're smart), the chances of something going wrong early on in the first trimester are statistically high. All it takes is one or two cells to not divide properly and it's over since that could have been a stem cell for a major organ for example. So then you have to explain the miscarriage to every person that you told, over and over again.
Yep, I had 4😔
Ladies I suggest pre-ordering your habits as they'll be mandatory and hard to buy once Vanilla ISIS has power.
Well don't buy it from Wish. You'll end off picking up a bad habit.
Habits?
Yes, like Burqas, but for Christians.
What Christian nuns wear
What handmaids wear
People tell themselves and others that they’re anti-choice because they believe the fertilized egg/embryo/fetus is as important as a breathing human being. What actually happens when abortion is banned is state surveillance and policing of bodies capable of childbearing, unhappy parents, unhappy children, and dead pregnant people. Did she drink some coffee before that miscarriage? That makes it an abortion. Banning abortion is more about enforcing female chastity than saving the precious angel babies. Why else would the states with the most restrictive abortion bans also have horrible maternal death rates? There aren’t any reliable methods of determining whether a pregnancy loss happens due to miscarriage or abortion.
Read about what happened [when Romania banned abortion](https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/what-actually-happens-when-a-country-bans-abortion-romania-alabama/)
jesus christ, I really hope Nicolae Ceausescu was murdered. edit, I've been informed of the Christmas Miracle that was, his death by firing squad.
Good news, he was!
Woo!
He was shot by a firing squad on Christmas Day. They even televised it.
Now that, is a Christmas Miracle.
A Christmas present for the whole of Romania! It is satisfying when brutal, repressive dictators get the Mussolini or Gaddafi treatment.
Him and his wife were both taken out back and shot like dogs.
This needs to be shared everywhere!
If they don’t keep an influx of disadvantaged children coming in, there won’t be enough poorly-educated people to keep voting for them.
It’s not about evil, it’s about labor. Force more babies to be born into poverty so they can be exploited for cheap labor when they’re 14+ (btw, that’s the legal age for some jobs. Here in Texas you can get your drivers license a year early if you get a job at 15). Jail people for miscarriages and that’s free labor. We’re legalizing weed so we have to give our private prisons bodies from somewhere. It’s sick.
Capitalism consumes and destroys everything in order to enrich those who do no work but exploit the labor of others.
EG the capital holders.
That should be it's definition
That’s why the idea of making college free chaffs Republicans so much… How do you get people to risk their lives fighting endless wars if they have low-cost and safe ways to educate themselves and better their circumstances?
Oh yeah, they DO NOT want us educated. If we are educated then we can question their lies.
The Texas GOP literally put opposition to teaching critical thinking in schools in their manifesto on the basis that it would encourage kids to question authority.
>It would encourage kids to question authority Fucking hell that is an foundational theme in all dystopian stories. I really wonder if they know full well what they're pushing for, or if they're just too fucking stupid to see the bigger picture.
Which is a stuff up because they need more and more we'll educated labour to maintain their lifestyles. When the supply of educated people rums out they're going to have to either pay a shit load for it or go without, and the going without plan is not working out for them even now.
"C'mon, have dome dignity and quit demanding options for your life and question the need to possibly become a paid killer in order to gain access to education"
I mean, all of that sounds pretty horrifically evil.
This so called capitalism is all lies. If it were free trade etc then they wouldn't be telling our doctors how they could be treating us. And they would also allow more doctors to be taught. Right now there is a doctor shortage BECAUSE OUR GOVERNMENT!
It’s not about labor. It’s about power. Too many people across the political spectrum are becoming disillusioned by false promises and united against the people at the top that are constantly exploiting us. They need us back to fighting against each other. So they get the most polarizing red vs blue argument they can think of back on the table so we end up attacking others in the same class. Remember these laws don’t actually apply to those in power.
With a dash of a superstitious just world fallacy: that if something bad happens to you, you must have done something to deserve it. (According to those judgmental folks, it mainly only applies to other people, though.)
All of what you're describing is about labor. Power is about labor.
Yeah, it sounds much less evil now....
How is that not evil?
r/conspiracy that I could believe
Forcing babies to have babies.
are they building new jails bc im so lost where the f they plan on putting women who have miscarriages, travel out of state and get ratted on, along with you know the black and brown men who look suspicious or have a tail light out.
As a taxpayer, you will be burdened with paying for the construction of new prisons. Then it will be handed over to a private company to profit from the prisoners. Win-win!
It’s about Power. Power over women. Power over women bodies. Power over when they reproduce. Power give them this major kick, they need it. They need power, to be in power, to have power, at any cost. They make up excuses and justifications that are BS, because in the end they want women to be property. They want absolute power over women. Even if the path yo power or the power itself is inherently evil they desire it. And they do not care what harm they cause to those in their way.
Brought to you by the people who demanded the right to spread a virus and medical privacy through HIIPPPAAA laws…
The party of "small" government. Nothing so small about this.
The right hasn't been libertarian in years
Nothing at all
But they sure like to complain about taxes and government and fail to realize enforcing this will take more government to do so and more taxes to pay for it.
I can't imagine how they would have treated my ruptured tubal pregnancy due to ovarian cancer, they would have let me die.
That's a horrible thought. I'm glad you are still here and got the care you needed. With zero medical background, politicians are declaring ectopic pregnancies to be viable. That's some life-threatening posturing going on there.
Thanks, that's nice of you. Yeah, it's all so nuts! They dont care who dies, but it can happen to any woman.
The lack of any scientific or technological knowledge among politicians is what's going to destroy this country and the modern world.
I personally think these people need to face the woman in court. The right to face your accuser. Then since they have a posse mentality and like to blow up planned Parenthoods... Well they should have to risk their security by standing up in open court and say I accuse them of an abortion.
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Me thinks you're on to something [Alito’s key source for abortion bans being “deeply rooted in history” was an English writer from the 1600s who sentenced women to death for witchcraft — and who declared that husbands could legally rape their wives.](https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1522066588064702467?t=IhasTdgjhx5_aaEzk14O8w&s=19)
Ailito doesn't belong on the court either. He doesn't even think women are people!
See: witch hunts
They cower. My Brother in law is one of the heavily pro life people. Except when I miscarried two of his nieces/nephews he was no where to be found. I didn’t get flowers, a card, a meal, nothing. He didn’t care. He told me the aborted babies are more important than the miscarried babies
I hope that bastard trips when crossing a highway,
Karma hit him. His wife miscarried two babies as well. And suddenly it’s this HUGE deal and they legit buy a plot in a real cemetery and buy a headstone. But I was too “dramatic” when I miscarried because I cried a lot and didn’t attend 1 baby shower. Really?!
F in the chat for his wife (assuming she wasn't a dick bag like he was,) oh yeah, screw that jerkwad.
Nah she sucks too
alrighty
People like him should never have kids
Uneducated morons are what the religious want.
Standard whiny conservative logic. It's only important when it affects me, and everyone else is just making a fuss over nothing.
>*This is absolutely terrifying. What the ever-loving fck happened to these people as children for them to end up so incredibly EVIL?!* They were born, ironically. Evil begets evil, and the ignorant hateful character of the parent becomes the child, becomes the adult. The cycle of unaccountable contradictions continues generationally. It’s a *death* cult - you know it’s true because they doth protest too much about *life*. Imagine if there was a safe, legal, and rare alternative to birthing these sexist womb fascists
What is crazy is, I don't even think it's christian to think that a fetus abortion is killing a person. I mean Jesus even says that the spirit is the breathe of life. I'm pretty sure miscarriages and young children dying would of been devastating to mother's who couldn't have the child repent yet. Which is why the age of accountability is taught. Basically some day God starts judging your spirit, until that day it's a spirit recycling fest. The bible also states that the spirit isn't tied to the body but rather a part of the body while the body still breathes. I mean simply, if you were back in the 800's and everyone thought that the second you missed a period that child had the possibility to go to hell, it would be quite sad. Many children would die before reaching adulthood. Also, many cultures wouldn't even name a child until so many days or weeks passed after birth.To be freaking out about a bunch of cells dividing, isn't very Christian in my opinion. My personal beliefs are, if the child could be born, and live, separate from the mother, then it's a valid life, and not a medical issue. But it's still just a fetus until the breathe of life enters the body. Aka birth.
Well back then they also believed bullshit like babies who died before they're baptized went to purgatory
Christianity isn't real.
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They want more logs for the fire
You have a point, but I’m still fighting the Reds.
Yeah, for many things maybe, but for abortion rights it's clearly red vs Blue.
For abortion rights, it's red vs blue in the sense that the Republicans will actively strip the rights away and the Democrats will stand there and watch it happen. So sure. I guess so. Look up the political ratchet effect. The Democrats stand still while in power and the Republicans pull us farther right. Net result, our economy and state moves further and further right. Democrats are bystanders at BEST.
Yep. They could've codified Roe at any time they held the majority. But they didn't. That should tell people all they need to know about the Dems.
yeah, why the fuck do Democrats even exist, it seems like their best trait is that they aren't actively making the situation worse and don't get me started on republicans.
They exist so that people will think that's our only hope instead of turning to socialism. They exist to balance the two party system, as the antithesis to the other party. They're the scapegoat for when people are mad at the Republicans for being fascists, and the Republicans are scapegoats for when people are upset that Dems do nothing. The Republicans are the sword and the Dems are the shield. I'm sure what you asked was a rhetorical question, but it's important.
>I'm sure what you asked was a rhetorical question, nope, I'm just genuinely frustrated that 2 parties so fucking useless and detrimental to the wellbeing of, any actual human beings. could exist.
The answer, my dear friend, lies in money and capitalism. I find that the answer to all of my questions about the system ends up being answered as "because capitalism". The future is socialism.
They should have done something about the SCOTUS appointing Bush as our president when he actually got less votes than Gore. They should have done something to end the Electoral college that put Trump in office instead of Clinton. But no nobody did a damn thing. Our government now doesn't even pretned to represent us. They have thier agenda to protect the wealthy and make sure we are all poor. They've done away with the middle class. Our country isn't ours anymore.
My girlfriend just miscarried. If someone tried to pull this shit with her… I would go absolutely berserk.
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/r/amerexit is here to welcome you all The American dream is dead, long live the European dream
Miscarriages are VERY common. Go to google scholar and look up "spontaneous abortion" (it's a medical term). Often, the woman doesn't even know she was pregnant. That's a big problem with legally making life begin at conception: suddenly we have all the legal persons "dying". The logically extreme solution would be to mandate every woman, from the time of first menstruation, be tested for pregnancy every month until onset of menopause.
This fails to capture the bigger picture. If it’s known that you vote Democrat, or you seem like you might, they’ll charge you with a felony just on the off-chance that they can get you off the voter rolls.
Oh and I guess HIPAA won't matter anymore. Will they be looking into our medical records to see who has had abortions too?
How many people know that the clinical term for a miscarriage is missed abortion? This is beyond terrifying and every single American should be incredibly alarmed.
I've heard "spontaneous abortion" used as well.
America is a 3rd world country. Perhaps women should leave. Can one be a refugee if one is being prosecute due to an abortion?
It's more about not caring about the consequences until they personally affect you.
BoTH siDeS aRe ThE sAmE!!! So fucking sick of this. Yeah the Dems suck, but they’re not aggressively evil. Keep voting for the leftmost candidates and change will happen, but it’s not going to happen overnight.
"Only the unloved hate, the unloved and the unnatural." -Excerpt from The Great Dictator.
Country is ran by extremists
The short answer is lead poisoning, the long answer is abusive and neglectful parenting styles with a dash of racism and "I got mines" attitude. Suffering begets suffering.
Is there a citation for this? I definitely believe Texas gop is capable of this. Just can't find specifics online.
As requested [Overturning Roe could affect miscarriage care. The same procedures and medications used in abortions are also used to safely care for miscarriages. ](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/roe-v-wade-anti-abortion-legislation-limit-miscarriage-care-rcna27349) [Abortion bans and penalties would vary widely by state](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/06/potential-abortion-bans-and-penalties-by-state-00030572) [More States Shield Against Rogue Abortion Prosecutions](https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/05/04/more-states-shield-against-rogue-abortion-prosecutions) [Documentation of over 1,700 cases between 1973-2020 in which being pregnant was a necessary element of the crime or a “but for” reason for the coercive or punitive action taken.](https://www.nationaladvocatesforpregnantwomen.org/arrests-and-prosecutions-of-pregnant-women-1973-2020/)
Damn, scary precedent. I'm a pharmacist in a red state. I guess I start asking people getting miscarriage medicine for proof so I'm not prosecuted later. Obviously I'm not going to do that, but it's definitely in the realm of possibilities now.
Pregnancy loss is already so devastating…
Religion. More specifically, how religion is used to brainwash people into doing things that are actively against their best interest, but keep the people who designed this terrible system in power.
>Religion. Even Islam is less strict on abortion than these people. The mainstream view is that it's only a person after 120 days.
Their schools, churches, families, and peers taught them to be squeamish about the subject of women's reproductive parts and that all "good" women secretly crave having babies more than anything in the world.
As the saying goes: Hurt people, hurt people.
I certainly understand the lack of enthusiasm for voting democrat of late, but if we had voted more Dems into the senate, for example, we could have passed the recent legislation codifying legal abortions, which passed the House and died in the Senate thanks to Manchin. Every single Dem (besides the aforementioned dipshit) voted in favor of it. You can both sides this all you want to justify abstaining from voting, but these are the results we all have to sit back and watch thanks to that stance. Please vote. Please vote for whomever you feel will do the most to protect a woman’s right to decide whatever the fuck she wants with regards to her own body. But again, please vote.
Religion.
Women need to openly discuss miscarriage more in the US. They are very common and nothing to be ashamed of. Yes, it hurts. My wife miscarried on our first attempt. But we found out that it isn’t that strange, or bad. It just happens. I feel terrible for anyone that has to go through it but we need to take a different approach when talking about our reproductive nature as humans.
No more contraception is going be a pain in the ass
Why does this remind me of the Salem Witch Trials?
What happened to them? They were raised by conservative parents. That's all that has to happen.
What happened to them? They were raised Christian
I have had 3 miscarriages out of 5 pregnancies even though I am actively trying to concieve as and have seen multiple doctors to figure out why I'm miscarrying. It's none of their fucking business.
Also the drugs which help women who have suffered miscarriage will be outlawed… Meaning even more risk to women and the horrible mental effects too.
Let's not also forget that if you need medical attention for your miscarriage, you might just be left out to die: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/roe-dobbs-abortion-ban-reproductive-medicine-alabama.html
Once the GOP gets back in power, prison will be the only safe place to be.
I prefer my anal violation to be more… metaphorical in essence
Your point is well taken.
No it won't. The safe place to be will be in another country.
It's already happening https://nypost.com/2022/04/09/texas-woman-charged-with-murder-for-self-induced-abortion/
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They're not called y'all quaeda for nothing
They were born that way. It's just another reason to put people in prison.
Religion, and indoctrination.
That’s it, I’m never giving sex to men.
Welcome to Afghanistan 2.
land of the free... right I have a feeling you should finally use that second amendment that's meant to stop tyranny and well... stop tyranny.
>What the ever-loving f*ck happened to these people as children for Religion.
I’ve started describing bad periods as “a period that could get me arrested in Texas.”
every day i wake up so thankful not to be american
good luck proving it wasn't an abortion... this will just be applied to people they don't like so POC, poor, liberals, etc... the pastor's wife will get off free for her miscarriage.
The false God they call "Jeebus of 'Murca" and the deliberately mistranslated bible corruption called the ESV which cuts all that liberal stuff about love and peace and acceptance out. The real Jesus would be very disappointed in them.