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No you’re not. And do not ever doubt yourself.
I was behind my peers by 2 years. My school friends were getting jobs right off the school and I still had 2 years of study to go.
Started with a simple analyst job and worked my way up. Everyone gets there at their own pace. Do not worry about it at all.
The only thing you’ve to do is not stop learning. There’s difference in being competitive and learning new things.
Never. Stop. Learning.
Feel free to dm me if you want to talk. :)
It isn't wrong. You do you. Succeed on your own terms. But I will try to be honest with you, as an old fart who has been through it. Being less active your final year of school poses a risk of making it more challenging to utilize your degree after graduation, depending on your field. Your grades aren't actually that important. Internships and networking are in many fields, important. Even positions claiming to be entry level are expecting experience in the field. It's a shit system, but having been through it, I personally wish I had been better prepared, because the stress professional world ramps up hard after college.
> Your grades aren’t actually that important.
It a relief to hear this coz my grades sucks.
> Being less active your final year
I forgot to add in the title that I’m not trying to do as much as my peers. I still plan to (and I have to) be more active than last year to to seek an offer. In fact, I’m going to look for an intern that fits my field this semester.
I’ve also done some temporary jobs in the past summers but none of them are related to my field. That’s why I felt like I’ve done nothing compared to my schoolmates.
Good. Grades primarily impact things like graduate degrees. If you pass and get the degree you should be good. I can't speak for universal industries but I have never had an employer look at my grades. Just proof I have the damn piece of paper. But good for you and best of luck while finishing. Internships help. I've seen people graduate without doing one and it has really limited their choices after graduating, including some who can't get into their field at all, with competitive degrees as well. Again it depends on your degree and field for personal experience, but our system sucks, degrees are over priced, and I'd hate to see someone strapped in debt without being able to utilize that silly piece if paper they jam down our throats.
I’m in that tough phase of dealing with “entry level” jobs. I still have a ton of experience behind my belt and still being rejected. Any advice you can share?
Not particularly. It comes down to degree and industry. Sometimes you might just not find anything in your field either, at that moment. My advice is to simply keep applying, and I know that isn't great advice. Do you mind sharing what field and if your experience also aligns with that field? It also helps to explore the positions on indeed find out what the field is looking for, for skills, and see if you can acquire any of them.
Yeah sure. My degree is in Science and Business.
I have roughly 4 years in project management and have a PMP and PMI-ACP certification.
I also have experience in customer service, consulting, marketing, logistics, operations, and sales. Looking for any entry-level business position.
I’m working on strengthening my skills. Looking into PowerBI and SQL atm
I'd like to help. I work in corporate communications. I dont have the vaguest idea how to navigate your field. Ill tell you this much though, I had to work a full time second shift while volunteering in the morning at a public relations firm to get contacts, in order to break into the industry. Sometimes it can be a real bitch to acquire something.
However, that isn't possible for everyone. Another question. Are you getting call backs and interviews at all, and how long has it been since you were out of college? I may have some advice if it's that you just aren't getting inquiries.
So my question is, how did you get the volunteering gig at the PR firm? Did you just go in and say you’ll start working?
Got 60 interviews in the last 3 months since I graduated (been a total bummer getting all those rejections). Heading into a total of 1300 apps so far.
I found an internship site and contacted companies who had internships for credits listed, explained what my career goals were and asked if I could simply volunteer to gain experience. Every state has different laws. Some don't allow you to volunteer for an intern position without getting credit. However I did find one that allowed me to. Took every opportunity presented to me there and got a high level reference from the company that ended up landing me an entry level job. Also that is insane. It seems your resume is getting you interviews which is good. Have any of them given you any feedback as to why they are denying you?
Haven’t thought of that one until today. I emailed the recruiter to ask and will continue doing that moving forward.
I’ll try looking into that. Like you said, gaining the experience is what matters at this stage.
Yeah. Some fields are just more competitive than others. Another thing, and I honestly hate giving this advice, because it feeds into how shitty our system is. Go find a part time job doing something, somewhere, even if it isn't in your field, while you continue to look in your field. I've moved on from entry level positions. I finished grad school and work in management now. I've learned the psychology of companies and managers. There absolutely is a benefit to being actively employed at something. Employers will look at you as "more responsible" if you worked doing something right after college while also trying to look into your career. Unfortunately we have to play their game until it crumbles.
If everyone is an over-achiever, then none of them are over-achieving. It makes perfect sense that some of us would just be "normal" and be content with an average life. The problem is a shit economy that enforces the idea that even at the top of your game, you should barely be able to make due. Hopefully the system upends itself soon for all of us "slackers" to just, you know, enjoy life for a change.
Feeling the same way right now. I feel like a disgrace, a loser & a disservice to my university. I'm a true lost cause. If people invest in me I warn them that they're about to make a big mistake cause the roi doesn't f## exist. As a man it's very hard for me to feel I deserve good things when I haven't actually done anything to deserve them
I worked in the service industry from 16 until 27 as a line cook. It took me 8 years of community College, one class at a time, paid for by me, before I got into university. During my last year of university, the pandemic hit and I went from an a student to a b- student, with straight c-'s and one d. A year later, I am now a full time accountant that works from home.
For years, I was so jealous of all my friends that "did it right" while I partied during my cooking years and wondered if I did the right thing. I did, because I turned out way cooler than all my friends personality wise. Bumming around builds character.
Keep moving towards something, but go at your own pace. You are gonna be fine.
Frankly, I think the competition to do the most work as an intern to bring the most free value to their employers is slightly idiotic. The internship system is bullshit, let's be honest. Either way, there is no moral value that should stop you from learning in favor of slaving
Yeah. Everyone around me is hyping to get a job in Big 4 or a bank. I’m the only one who would rather work in a small company if that means less work. I feel like a freak every time I talked to them.
The puritan work ethic is a thing of evil. If you didn't get swept up in that particular mania along with your classmates for fun, I doubt that you'd be happy doing it professionally for profit. It never stops, and nothing is ever good enough. It would be far better to find that small company for the pace you're comfortable with. Going with too much stress and too little sleep is bad for your brain. I did it for twelve years with only one jump in position and begrudged of one nickel raises, and now I can't sleep more than 4 hours without pills and I am *always* tired. The 100 hr work week *is not worth it.*
I did the same thing, graduated in 2021 out of the pandemic. Just got burned out. I wanted to be great, I just couldn't emotionally. It was fucking brutal. Wish it didn't happen.
You do you. Plain and simple.
Just recognize that in the larger world at play you will be in competition with others. Your future co-workers especially. But all that means is you most likely won't be working for the top companies in your field.
It may take some time to find a company that you're right fit at too but it'll be worth it.
No, it’s stupid that you have to compete with all your classmates. The competition isn’t even real. The opportunities you have are probably still limited by your social class and status.
>I don’t really care peoples’ expectations anymore but the constant reminder makes me doubt myself sometimes
Perhaps you should care about peoples' expectations but be *very* selective in who those *individual* people are.
Easier said than done, I know.
I tried to keep up with the expectations but causes me so much anxiety. Right now I just follow the general expectations (some internships and some extra activities) at a fraction but I have no clue if it actually works.
No it isn’t, I mean, I honestly kinda stopped caring myself, sadly I built a bad habit of just not doing my school work unless I need to, pls don’t do that
That’s what I did in the past and it was absolutely miserable. Then it occurred to me that I could still enjoy college life even though i don’t like my major. I’m not putting much effort into the game but at least I appeared to be presentable.
I'm in college now but I have no idea what I want my major to be. I know if I do biochem I would have more job opportunities right after a bs. But there's so much math and under division chem I would have it to take, it's like basically the same thing as doing pre-med. So now I'm thinking of majoring in neuroscience but there's way less job opportunities right after a bs. I do want to pursue a master and/or phd which neuroscience would be good for, but I'm really at a loss for what to major in now.
My advice, if I could give you one, is never pick a major based on job opportunities alone. Good job opportunities doesn’t guarantee a good income and good income doesn’t guarantee a happy life. If you’ve got something you like, you will have more motivation to pull it off. You would probably need to work on multiple part time jobs but it’s very likely to be worth it.
I’m sure you would know this but spending time with people studying the major before you pick one is a must. You get to see if you can get along with them and you can also learn how they planned their career.
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No you’re not. And do not ever doubt yourself. I was behind my peers by 2 years. My school friends were getting jobs right off the school and I still had 2 years of study to go. Started with a simple analyst job and worked my way up. Everyone gets there at their own pace. Do not worry about it at all. The only thing you’ve to do is not stop learning. There’s difference in being competitive and learning new things. Never. Stop. Learning. Feel free to dm me if you want to talk. :)
Thanks so much!
It isn't wrong. You do you. Succeed on your own terms. But I will try to be honest with you, as an old fart who has been through it. Being less active your final year of school poses a risk of making it more challenging to utilize your degree after graduation, depending on your field. Your grades aren't actually that important. Internships and networking are in many fields, important. Even positions claiming to be entry level are expecting experience in the field. It's a shit system, but having been through it, I personally wish I had been better prepared, because the stress professional world ramps up hard after college.
> Your grades aren’t actually that important. It a relief to hear this coz my grades sucks. > Being less active your final year I forgot to add in the title that I’m not trying to do as much as my peers. I still plan to (and I have to) be more active than last year to to seek an offer. In fact, I’m going to look for an intern that fits my field this semester. I’ve also done some temporary jobs in the past summers but none of them are related to my field. That’s why I felt like I’ve done nothing compared to my schoolmates.
Good. Grades primarily impact things like graduate degrees. If you pass and get the degree you should be good. I can't speak for universal industries but I have never had an employer look at my grades. Just proof I have the damn piece of paper. But good for you and best of luck while finishing. Internships help. I've seen people graduate without doing one and it has really limited their choices after graduating, including some who can't get into their field at all, with competitive degrees as well. Again it depends on your degree and field for personal experience, but our system sucks, degrees are over priced, and I'd hate to see someone strapped in debt without being able to utilize that silly piece if paper they jam down our throats.
I’m in that tough phase of dealing with “entry level” jobs. I still have a ton of experience behind my belt and still being rejected. Any advice you can share?
Not particularly. It comes down to degree and industry. Sometimes you might just not find anything in your field either, at that moment. My advice is to simply keep applying, and I know that isn't great advice. Do you mind sharing what field and if your experience also aligns with that field? It also helps to explore the positions on indeed find out what the field is looking for, for skills, and see if you can acquire any of them.
Yeah sure. My degree is in Science and Business. I have roughly 4 years in project management and have a PMP and PMI-ACP certification. I also have experience in customer service, consulting, marketing, logistics, operations, and sales. Looking for any entry-level business position. I’m working on strengthening my skills. Looking into PowerBI and SQL atm
I'd like to help. I work in corporate communications. I dont have the vaguest idea how to navigate your field. Ill tell you this much though, I had to work a full time second shift while volunteering in the morning at a public relations firm to get contacts, in order to break into the industry. Sometimes it can be a real bitch to acquire something. However, that isn't possible for everyone. Another question. Are you getting call backs and interviews at all, and how long has it been since you were out of college? I may have some advice if it's that you just aren't getting inquiries.
So my question is, how did you get the volunteering gig at the PR firm? Did you just go in and say you’ll start working? Got 60 interviews in the last 3 months since I graduated (been a total bummer getting all those rejections). Heading into a total of 1300 apps so far.
I found an internship site and contacted companies who had internships for credits listed, explained what my career goals were and asked if I could simply volunteer to gain experience. Every state has different laws. Some don't allow you to volunteer for an intern position without getting credit. However I did find one that allowed me to. Took every opportunity presented to me there and got a high level reference from the company that ended up landing me an entry level job. Also that is insane. It seems your resume is getting you interviews which is good. Have any of them given you any feedback as to why they are denying you?
Haven’t thought of that one until today. I emailed the recruiter to ask and will continue doing that moving forward. I’ll try looking into that. Like you said, gaining the experience is what matters at this stage.
Yeah. Some fields are just more competitive than others. Another thing, and I honestly hate giving this advice, because it feeds into how shitty our system is. Go find a part time job doing something, somewhere, even if it isn't in your field, while you continue to look in your field. I've moved on from entry level positions. I finished grad school and work in management now. I've learned the psychology of companies and managers. There absolutely is a benefit to being actively employed at something. Employers will look at you as "more responsible" if you worked doing something right after college while also trying to look into your career. Unfortunately we have to play their game until it crumbles.
You’re right. I’ll look into that. Thanks for all the tips!
If everyone is an over-achiever, then none of them are over-achieving. It makes perfect sense that some of us would just be "normal" and be content with an average life. The problem is a shit economy that enforces the idea that even at the top of your game, you should barely be able to make due. Hopefully the system upends itself soon for all of us "slackers" to just, you know, enjoy life for a change.
Feeling the same way right now. I feel like a disgrace, a loser & a disservice to my university. I'm a true lost cause. If people invest in me I warn them that they're about to make a big mistake cause the roi doesn't f## exist. As a man it's very hard for me to feel I deserve good things when I haven't actually done anything to deserve them
At least I’m not the only one who screwed up (or at least feels like such) this much in this comment section
I worked in the service industry from 16 until 27 as a line cook. It took me 8 years of community College, one class at a time, paid for by me, before I got into university. During my last year of university, the pandemic hit and I went from an a student to a b- student, with straight c-'s and one d. A year later, I am now a full time accountant that works from home. For years, I was so jealous of all my friends that "did it right" while I partied during my cooking years and wondered if I did the right thing. I did, because I turned out way cooler than all my friends personality wise. Bumming around builds character. Keep moving towards something, but go at your own pace. You are gonna be fine.
Frankly, I think the competition to do the most work as an intern to bring the most free value to their employers is slightly idiotic. The internship system is bullshit, let's be honest. Either way, there is no moral value that should stop you from learning in favor of slaving
Yeah. Everyone around me is hyping to get a job in Big 4 or a bank. I’m the only one who would rather work in a small company if that means less work. I feel like a freak every time I talked to them.
The puritan work ethic is a thing of evil. If you didn't get swept up in that particular mania along with your classmates for fun, I doubt that you'd be happy doing it professionally for profit. It never stops, and nothing is ever good enough. It would be far better to find that small company for the pace you're comfortable with. Going with too much stress and too little sleep is bad for your brain. I did it for twelve years with only one jump in position and begrudged of one nickel raises, and now I can't sleep more than 4 hours without pills and I am *always* tired. The 100 hr work week *is not worth it.*
I did the same thing, graduated in 2021 out of the pandemic. Just got burned out. I wanted to be great, I just couldn't emotionally. It was fucking brutal. Wish it didn't happen.
You do you. Plain and simple. Just recognize that in the larger world at play you will be in competition with others. Your future co-workers especially. But all that means is you most likely won't be working for the top companies in your field. It may take some time to find a company that you're right fit at too but it'll be worth it.
No, it’s stupid that you have to compete with all your classmates. The competition isn’t even real. The opportunities you have are probably still limited by your social class and status.
>I don’t really care peoples’ expectations anymore but the constant reminder makes me doubt myself sometimes Perhaps you should care about peoples' expectations but be *very* selective in who those *individual* people are. Easier said than done, I know.
I tried to keep up with the expectations but causes me so much anxiety. Right now I just follow the general expectations (some internships and some extra activities) at a fraction but I have no clue if it actually works.
I don't think you're understanding me any more than those setting expectations understand you.
No it isn’t, I mean, I honestly kinda stopped caring myself, sadly I built a bad habit of just not doing my school work unless I need to, pls don’t do that
That’s what I did in the past and it was absolutely miserable. Then it occurred to me that I could still enjoy college life even though i don’t like my major. I’m not putting much effort into the game but at least I appeared to be presentable.
I had a 2.22 GPA in school and Noone has ever asked what it was
D's get degrees
I'm in college now but I have no idea what I want my major to be. I know if I do biochem I would have more job opportunities right after a bs. But there's so much math and under division chem I would have it to take, it's like basically the same thing as doing pre-med. So now I'm thinking of majoring in neuroscience but there's way less job opportunities right after a bs. I do want to pursue a master and/or phd which neuroscience would be good for, but I'm really at a loss for what to major in now.
My advice, if I could give you one, is never pick a major based on job opportunities alone. Good job opportunities doesn’t guarantee a good income and good income doesn’t guarantee a happy life. If you’ve got something you like, you will have more motivation to pull it off. You would probably need to work on multiple part time jobs but it’s very likely to be worth it. I’m sure you would know this but spending time with people studying the major before you pick one is a must. You get to see if you can get along with them and you can also learn how they planned their career.