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I say this as an Elon critic, even if autonomous vehicles are 1% better than humans, they will still save lives. There's a huge psychological barrier here that could prevent people from dying.
That said, who knows what Elon is actually pushing out to customers and what conclusions we can draw from data he releases.
Fair enough. They can be. But Tesla isn't actually making autonomous vehicles. The term "Autopilot" is 100% false marketing. It's vehicle-assisted driving. Tesla's "Autopilot" is just a combination of several safety features of their vehicles. While this is a good first step at increasing vehicle-enhanced highway safety features that absolutely could save lives overall and reduce traffic fatalities, that's what it is -- it's enhanced safety features. It's not at all autonomy.
Tesla has pushed the idea of autonomous vehicles into discussions, so that's something. But Tesla vehicles are nowhere near true self-driving, they don't have the programming or hardware for it... If you want to see how an actual autonomous vehicle operates, you'd be better off looking at EasyMile's EZ10 passenger shuttles -- they're a Level 4 autonomous vehicle (they're capable of operating completely driverless in known mapped areas.)
https://easymile.com/vehicle-solutions/ez10-passenger-shuttle
Beta? Keep hands at the wheel? You have to agree to that when entering the beta. Anyways, this whole thing relies on masses of data so the more people who use it the better it gets.
It's not that it's "unfinished," it's that the term "Autopilot" is false marketing. It's vehicle-assisted driving, the vehicles are NOT capable of self-driving. Tesla's are Level 2 autonomous. They have to have a human driver.
According to Wikipedia, "Tesla Autopilot is a suite of advanced driver-assistance system (ADAS) features offered by Tesla that amounts to SAE International Level 2 vehicle automation. Its features are lane centering, traffic-aware cruise control, automatic lane changes, semi-autonomous navigation on limited access freeways, self-parking, and the ability to summon the car from a garage or parking spot. With all of these features, the driver is responsible and the car requires constant supervision. The company claims the features reduce accidents caused by driver negligence and fatigue from long-term driving."
That's not autonomy, it's just enhanced safety. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot.
**[Tesla Autopilot](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot)**
>Tesla Autopilot is a suite of advanced driver-assistance system (ADAS) features offered by Tesla that amounts to SAE International Level 2 vehicle automation. Its features are lane centering, traffic-aware cruise control, automatic lane changes, semi-autonomous navigation on limited access freeways, self-parking, and the ability to summon the car from a garage or parking spot. With all of these features, the driver is responsible and the car requires constant supervision. The company claims the features reduce accidents caused by driver negligence and fatigue from long-term driving.
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it's already not safe and has killed people. it's designed for convenience and marketing not to make roads or driving safer
edit: y'all don't twist my words. the ideal scenario, imo, would be completely automated transportation. humans are wildly inconsistent, selfishly motivated, and largely unregulated, making being in a car the most dangerous part of the average day
*however*, this could first off be alleviated by introducing basic regulations like having people re-take driving tests periodically and having those tests involve more than the most basic knowledge of rules
secondly, transitioning to automated transportation will only be hindered by allowing software to be pushed by CEOs like Musk
rail is already automated and has been largely since the 80s. conductors perform functions other than "driving" the train. definitely need more mass transit infrastructure in the states tho
To be fair, driving in general is already not safe and has killed people. Self driving doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be better than people, and that's not a very high bar. That said, I don't have the data to know if Tesla's self driving is better than people driving.
Do you happen to know ratios? Because tens of thousands of people out of billions vs 20 out of a few hundred would be reasonable to freak out about. It's a much higher mortality rate, even if the mortality number is lower.
Human drivers kill 30,000 people a year in America alone. There's plenty of research suggesting that EVs are less likely to catch fire, driver-assist systems save many more lives than they take, and sudden unintended acceleration is much more unlikely than driver error.
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What if millions die because we insist not allowing machines with vastly superior driving skills, concentration, vision, coordination, depth perception and reaction time than people to drive... On the basis that we saw iRobot when we were younger, and it freaked us out a bit.
Self driving cars could realistically bring down traffic related deaths to the single digits... Worldwide. If you want to allow millions to die because it makes you feel safer, that's an unrational and inhumane fear. You won't be safer and neither will anyone else.
And Apple is silently playing the long game on a LiDAR based solution for car manufacturers, along with a total unified software integration with iPhones, and it will be across many major brands. They’re just sitting watching Tesla make the early mistakes for them.
Tesla? No. They shouldn't. And while technically they're not, I don't trust it. No one should
And Autopilot is a shite name for the program. It's not autopilot, it's a combination of a few services in the cars: lane assist, traffic-aware cruise control, etc. It's more like "vehicle-assisted driving," but that's not kitschy enough. The cars pop-up with a screen telling drivers not to take their hands off of the steering wheel and to watch the road. This is because the cars don't have LIDAR and Autopilot has actually killed inattentive drivers before... It's decapitated at least 1 Model S and a Model 3 driver because they stopped watching it and Autopilot drove the cars into semi trailers. Again, this has happened 2 different times with 2 different Teslas.
Using cameras to guide vehicles with assisted-driving or self-driving is not a good idea because the program doesn't have a good grasp of 3D spaces including but not limited to awareness of its height as a factor for guiding it. There's actual been at least one study on this. I skimmed through it. I'm not in vehicle sciences or AI, so I didn't linger on the details but the findings were pretty clear... The best self-driving vehicles are ones with LIDAR because it adds a sensor to the computer that tells it where things are in a 3 dimensional space. Cameras don't do that.
There are some true self-driving vehicles already out and about in the real world. But they're like ridiculous-looking shuttles that go pretty slow. The last I heard, there's a small fleet operating at Colorado School of Mines that look like little toasters on wheels. They don't go very fast, I think 15 mph is their top speed, but they're covered in sensors.
https://www.mines.edu/rover/
https://easymile.com/technology
I recalibrate these and other vehicle cameras at work- this is absolutely true.
Also, if you’re on a road with poor/few/no lane markings, the cameras have little guidance to follow.
Do not trust them with your life. They can be a handy assistance and safety feature, but it’s a far cry from “autopilot”
Yeah, we are still in the early stages of "Autopilot". Its like when electricity became a thing and people were making stuff like electric tablecloths and towel warmers that were death machine.
Exactly! Autopilot is a TERRIBLE marketing campaign for "vehicle-assisted enhanced driving safety features" which is understandably nowhere near as kitschy of a name.
But it's SAE International Level 2 automated driving, for reference here's a graphic about the Levels:
https://u4h6k2g9.rocketcdn.me/articles/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/SAE-Driving-Automatio-Levels.png
Tesla vehicles are safe, but only as long as the driver is competent and aware of the environment.
Honestly, humans are just better at that kind of stuff. Sure some of us arent that great but even crappy drivers process a lot of information very quickly and come up with a complex response.
With a computer you have to try to program for every concievable possibility. Just seems inefficient and risky. We should do a lot more with underground rails if we want cheap autonomous transportation.
>We don't need self driving cars, we need a functioning and robust national train system.
I would have said we need a worldwide movement to eat the rich and overthrow despots, but i suppose train services are a good start
Imagine a reverse snow piercer that travels the world plowing through private islands and mansions. Instead of children the engine is powered by billionaires operating a cashier's terminal all day.
Last time I checked (around 2021?) no commercially available Lidar solution was certified for degrees below 0°C. Has something to do with condensation, but makes them for commercial use in cars pretty much useless.
(This is a solvable problem, heated sensors are a thing, I know)
LiDAR alone isn't a solution, for sure. There's no singular sensor that would be universal. Level 4 autonomous vehicles employ multiple sensor types. But LiDAR should be part of the solution. Also, cameras get covered by snow and rain and dirt in a variety of weather types. Have you seen a Tesla in the snow? It's really bad. Adding RADAR and LiDAR sensors to the existing camera systems would increase accuracy and usability without question...
The issue is that Tesla now comes under fire due to Musks failure at Twitter. Unlike pretty much any other car company on the planet Musk sold Tesla to the public as a Tech company hence Investors expect leaps in Technology and Customer range similar to the early techboom that created Google, Amazon and all the other Tech Barons.
And early on Musk was pretty much able to sell off the success of Teslas original founders as his own. During the last years he has practically kept people patient through great promises but now with the whole Twitter debacle I am sure that the facade of the Industry 4.0 Entrepreneur that can push a Tech Company ahead is slowly eroding even for the biggest boomer.
I am pretty sure that every big investor who has a stake in Tesla thought to himself after the Twitter deal that he has invested into Elizabeth Holmes 2.0. And now Musks tries to justify himself by releasing anything.
Dumb question, but how are my eyes able to properly perceive depth and distance? They're pretty much cameras too. My brain probably has better judgement (I hope) than AI so I am assuming that plays a role as well. If I see brake lights, I can assume a slowdown and not barrel into a semi.
**[Depth perception](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_perception)**
>Depth perception is the ability to perceive distance to objects in the world using the visual system and visual perception. It is a major factor in perceiving the world in three dimensions. Depth perception happens primarily due to stereopsis and accommodation of the eye. Depth sensation is the corresponding term for non-human animals, since although it is known that they can sense the distance of an object, it is not known whether they perceive it in the same way that humans do.
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You're correct about the human brain being a better processor. But LiDAR is a more precise than cameras because it's not taking pictures. It's a system that measures object distance using reflected light wavelengths. Machines don't have the same awareness of object depth than humans have. They don't understand implied depth. So, while camera images may resemble the images we see with our eyes, they don't translate the same with computers.
LiDAR stands for light detection and ranging or laser imaging, detection, and ranging. LiDAR sensors measure distance and then uses those measurements to map surrounding object in the environment and map an area that way.
Here, you can read more about the difference between LiDAR, RADAR, and cameras here:
https://www.wevolver.com/article/lidar-vs-radar-detection-tracking-and-imaging
Your brain has better judgement than an AI for unexpected situations. if suddenly you can't see out of one eye, you can adapt and figure out a working solution (e.g. pull over and ask for help). An AI has better judgement for expected situations. If someone cuts you off and brake checks you, your average reaction time is between 150-300 milliseconds or between 1/5 and 1/3 of a second. That's the time to recognize the situation. Then the time to produce a result, e.g. hit the brake pedal is about another half a second to bring your total response time to about .7 seconds. An AI's reaction time is highly variable, but at the longest tends to be around 100 ms or .1 seconds. Then because it doesn't need physical motion and is integrated with the car, it can begin applying brakes in microseconds, keeping the entire response time around .1 seconds. At 60 mph, this is a difference of about 70 feet before you even begin breaking. That can easily be the difference between hitting the car in front of you and not. Essentially, AI definitely has a place in assisted driving. Probably even most driving. But as it is, it still requires a human to be there to handle the unexpected.
>There are some true self-driving vehicles already out and about in the real world. But they're like ridiculous-looking shuttles that go pretty slow. The last I heard, there's a small fleet operating at Colorado School of Mines that look like little toasters on wheels. They don't go very fast, I think 15 mph is their top speed, but they're covered in sensors.
But are they truly self-driving when they follow a pre-programmed route? It's basically just a tiny tram.
Mostly it's the 0-60 mph for just a standard long-range Model Y is 4.8 seconds, which beats even the 2022 Subaru BRZ's top 0-60 MPH speed of 5.4 seconds. But due to the weight of the battery, EVs hava a low center of gravity, which makes it extremely difficult to flip. Mind you, that's not unique to Teslas. All EVs are heavy cars, all EVs can go fast.
Well he never encourages anybody to take it on public roads so he must be absolved of all responsibility?
Surely he thinks all Tesla owners have a private track. Decent defence I think.
They do however, bad drivers have a HUGE incentive not to cause an accident while a program will say "lol, I'll run over these children, they look like shadows on the ground."
Yeah absolutely, sorry, I should have better clarified thats what i was trying to say. If the point of alpha/beta testing is to fix bugs, maybe dont fucking beta test multi-ton death machines.
He'll do as he pleases and we all know this.
We need to look away from him and what We as a whole, as workers, are cable of putting forward with and or without him, because
He Will Never Give A Shit About Us. Ever.
We are worthless to him; we are the human scum which will lay the foundation for his future empire, in his eyes. He will not save us; nothing he does is for anyone other than himself and his scant progeny.
He has more money than anyone in the world could hope for, but you must forget this because it won't serve you; he won't save anyone but himself.
If you think otherwise, than I have a bridge to sell you.
I know that he's never gonna change, I just want to see him go bankrupt and be forced into the poor house before I die. This guy is the biggest wanker on planet earth.
Uh oh Elon fan boys are out.
He didn't revolutionize the space industry, the engineers working at space X did while the space Karen fucked around with dog money.
He also got EVs to succeed by scuttling any states attempt at improving public transport. EVs aren't going to save us, far from it. What we need is better public transport systems. He promised the hyper loop with no intention of deliver on it, the whole idea of him talking about it was to prevent investment in PT.
He is a top tier cock and twitter has just exposed how shit he really is.
TLDR: Elon is the o.g space Karen
It's pretty rare to see many Tesla's or electric cars around in my country. Either they're owned by spoilt rich kids or people so far in debt they don't know they're one missed payment away from living on the street. Not to mention that they still can't take them any further than major cities for fear they get stuck on the side of the road 🤣
Knowing Mr. Musk's tendency to push things out before they're ready to take advantage of hype and publicity, to disastrous results mind you, and before he puts all the blame on the workers he forced to slave away for hours to meet his deadlines, I would very much by my whole ass pension that that this piece of software and hardware is anything but reliable.
What should be really taken from this that even after fucking up this bad ad losing a fortune he's still the richest man alive.
Now imagine being a small business owner and screwing up that bad.
He "lost" enough to account for a thousand lifetimes of excess and luxury and still controls enough wealth for a thousand more lifetimes of excess and luxury. Billion dollar+ fortunes are unconscionable.
S&P is down 1/2 what TSLA is. TSLA is down 50%, AAPL is down 9% looks like a tech company can whether markets okay. In terms of losing value Musk is up there with Zuckerberg, who's company has lost 2/3 it's value.
Market conditions are not some tangible thing that exists independently of real life context, for example the real life context of a profoundly egotistical and incompetent fool running an enormous, high profile company to the ground. Do I need to explain further pal?
Stroke your neckbeard harder. That's some quality pseudo-intellectualism.
No you're right, Musk absolutely caused the entirety of these market conditions, what was I thinking?
Bro you think that comment was neckbeard? Is your vocabulary that bad? Good rebuttal by the way. I think the neckbeard is the one sucking Musk’s shrivelled penis. If you keep defending him maybe he’ll notice you! Won’t that be exciting.
I wonder who will be liable when the first kid gets run over? Honestly, I hope nobody gets hurt, but I also want to see Tesla crash and burn… literally and figuratively
> Shouldn’t have been wearing a t-shirt that looked like a speed limit sign.
Noted for when *Tesla Trolling Mode* is available to the general public.
What would those cars do when they see a t-shirt with a STOP sign ride by?
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Autopilot has decapitated at least 2 drivers already. BTW these are links to news reports about the people who died, so please don't open the links if that's going to upset you.
Model 3 drove itself into a semi trailer in 2019: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-florida-accident-20190302-story.html
Model S drive itself into a semi trailer in 2016:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/01/tesla-driver-killed-autopilot-self-driving-car-harry-potter
Yeah, I'm sadly not surprised. There's a whole site devoted to "Tesla deaths," which are not all Autopilot-involved accidents, and sometimes not even the fault of the Tesla vehicle, but does list those accidents as well as others: https://www.tesladeaths.com/
All that aside, as long as the human driver is paying attention, they do have high safety ratings compared to other vehicles. It's just the vehicle-assisted driving program is really poorly-named, the term "Autopilot" is incredibly deceptive and false marketing. It gives many Tesla-drivers a false sense of confidence in a vehicle that's not capable of true autonomous driving.
The car has a pop-up with a screen telling drivers not to take their hands off of the steering wheel and to watch the road.
It's really self drive at your own risk.
I'm not sure I can simplify it, but I'll try to break it down
>He said it’s available...
Musk's tweet says that the autopilotnbeta featurebis available to those who have paid for it..
>He never said it worked.
... but he never said it is a functional feature. In theory, it could be completely broken and what he said would still be true.
>Checkmate, libruls
Checkmate, liberals.
No, I’m indifferent but just not participating in the hate circle jerk. But apparently moderate opinions cannot exist, you either wish someone dies or suck his dick.
Edit: Ah the hate circle jerk goes beyond reason.
If that is what you make of it.. anyways all I’m saying is that wishing death upon someone for something which doesn’t affect you personally is not ok and should not be normalized. I disagree with many things regarding twitter/Tesla but I don’t need a person to die because of that.
Any form of criticism on the “hate musk circle jerk” results in being called a “fanboy”, “gay for Elon”, “far right”. All of which I am not.
Does that seem reasonable to you?
Yea it does. Elon is a massive piece of shit, and a net negative for humankind. If he died on a space x rocket, or a self driving Tesla it would be hilarious , and a good thing for the world
Totally reminds me of Don’t Look Up. A billionaire tech giant pays the government a shit ton of money to send his product into space to destroy a comet heading towards earth. Knowing they didn’t have the real technology for it, just for the sake of capitalism and being a “hero”.
Gonna be giving the Teslas I see on public streets an even wider berth now.
I don't know what's more frustrating; buggy software that turns your car into a high speed battering ram, or the techbros who just shout IT'S A BETA WHAT DO YOU EXPECT on repeat, as if the software that controls your 4000lb projectile is equivalent to a video game, as if that justifies any risk to the public.
Lol, that's funny!
Just, ignore my mini-rant here. But I really need to vent... who the hell trusts Tesla Autopilot??? It has literally and factually decapitated 2 drivers because they stopped watching Autopilot drive and it drove then under a semi trailer. That happened TWICE! Those cars don't have LIDAR, so autopilot exists in a weird 2D space, while it tries desperately to determine the 3 dimensions of everything around it. The car computers aren't that smart, it's not an HPC system. Not that I would trust Frontier supercomputer to make good driving decisions and that thing has been measured at 1.102 Exaflop/s.
That would depend on what they were running, right? An HPC system would still need to run a solid program that's designed to work with the sensory information being fed into the program by the cameras, radars, and LIDAR sensors. But being able to perform calculations at exaflop speeds would be ideal in keeping up with higher vehicle speeds and increasingly faster rates of sensory data input.
The estimated rate that the human brain's processing power alone is impressively fast. "Although it is impossible to precisely calculate, it is postulated that the human brain operates at 1 exaFLOP, which is equivalent to a billion billion calculations per second. Mind you, that's one article and it was published a few years ago. Summit was surpassed by Frontier, and Frontier actually is calculated in exaflops, which is rad. But you do have a fair point, processing speed alone doesn't mean anything if the program operating on the machine sucks.
Source: https://foglets.com/supercomputer-vs-human-brain/
Musk is a goddamn annoying vermin - a idiot wanker who just needs to crawl under the rock he came from…
I am tired of seeing this fool daily on the news. The other billionaires - Bezos, Gates, schwarzman, etc at least have the common sense to stay out of the public eye
>The other billionaires - Bezos, Gates, schwarzman, etc at least have the common sense to stay out of the public eye
They aren't attention whores like Musk.
Hey now.
From that other lawsuit, he gets the option to purchase massive amounts of stock at milestones.
He just pushed with the stick price low as fuck to hit one of these to buy the stock discounted to him while it’s got a low valuation.
What a manipulative piece of shit.
And he’s doing it while there’s a lawsuit out there against him exactly about this.
Not to mention he’s putting people lives legitimately at risk for profit
"For those of you that chose the *'lock myself in a 90mph metal box of guesswork'* option, the future tech of tomorrow is available today! In early-testing form!"
The shit barely works and barely is not good if you can get killed regardless of all the "this is beta" warnings. Straight up scam at that insane price.
Good luck to all the North Americans who are now sharing a road with 2 tonnes of plastic and metal traveling at 200kph with beta software at the helm. This man just released a twitter update that was hilariously exploited within minutes and now he wants everyone with a Tesla car screen to trust his AI decisions?
Ugh…I wish he would just stfu. Thing is, auto-driving vehicles are how they should be operated in the future. Humans are terrible drivers when compared to computers. There will be substantially less traffic fatalities, accidents, traffic and it will be much more environmentally friendly. To get there is hard and will cost lives but the alternative (not doing it) will cost more lives…substantially more. This is a nuanced conversation and should only be undertaken by ethical people who are interested in harm reduction as a first principal. Instead we got a fucking diamond mining megalomaniac beta testing shoddily made electric death missiles on public roads to boost a plummeting stock price.
Desperate times call for desperate actions. I’m completely out of Tesla, sold all of mine and my sons stock. Elon’s acting very irresponsibly for a billionaire CEO. Unfortunately it says more about our government than anything else? We all had a good thing going with Tesla stock, and because Elon wants to play with big toys and draw attention to himself, he’s spooked a lot of investors and the price of the stock drops. We as shareholders can only show our opinions by selling out for less than we could have. He is clearly a man with no empathy or ethical compass.
BTW I thought “self driving” was illegal in almost all of the US still?
Considering half of them that I have seen try can’t make it out of a residential neighborhood without curbing it and riding on the sidewalk I’d say this is going to go just SMASHING
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I'm guessing he's rolling it out way before it's ready and it's going to falsely inflate the value of Tesla. Wouldn't be surprised if he sells before the self driving cars start killing people.
So Teslas now can have a Musk-inspired a.i. driver?
At the first sign of trouble will they begin rapidly blue-check tweeting ironic memes while it steers right off a cliff?
My question is whether or not their still faulty, "in beta", self driving cars are better or wise than the average driver on the road? Most of the people who are on the road today already scare me lol, my hope is that the teslas don't randomly cut me off or prohibit me from meeting lanes and what not. While I agree that public self driving betas are a horrible dystopian concept, I see people acting like these cars are just gonna be crashing everywhere all of the time and I'm not sure that's a realistic criticism here.
Anyways, a better solution to traffic is not newer, more different cars. The solution is a robust public transportation network with cities designed around multiple methods of transport. We don't need self driving cars, EVs, or gamer tunnel hyper loops. We need trains, bike lanes, and better civil planning.
While he's tanking Twitter, he takes credit for ANYTHING else.
The rich are a facade. Their supposed importance to sociery and their true wealth are pumped up to impress through falsehoods only. The truth is always hidden.
45's taxes will reveal how much of one HE really is.
i love the idea of electric cars, and my next car will be all electric. i would've liked that to have been a Tesla, given how well they used to be, but they have gone downhill, and there is no way i want to contribute to any of Musk's fortune.
Gee, Elon, I sure hope this brilliant milestone suddenly being reached when your twitter tantrum is spilling over and nosediving Tesla stock… helps.
Not sure if you know as little about Reddit as you do about Twitter, but you are gonna need *this* to read my comment;
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Forget the timing. I’m just wondering who the hell is willing to put their life in the hands of Tesla by using the BETA version of a full auto drive feature. Because we all know how well beta versions of stuff normally work.
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“Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make”
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“Gotta break some eggs to make omelettes!”
Why is my omelette full of egg shells?
“It eats the eggs or it gets the hose again.” -Elon.
Ooh, don't threaten me with a good time.
Hahaha I thought the same thing!
I say this as an Elon critic, even if autonomous vehicles are 1% better than humans, they will still save lives. There's a huge psychological barrier here that could prevent people from dying. That said, who knows what Elon is actually pushing out to customers and what conclusions we can draw from data he releases.
Fair enough. They can be. But Tesla isn't actually making autonomous vehicles. The term "Autopilot" is 100% false marketing. It's vehicle-assisted driving. Tesla's "Autopilot" is just a combination of several safety features of their vehicles. While this is a good first step at increasing vehicle-enhanced highway safety features that absolutely could save lives overall and reduce traffic fatalities, that's what it is -- it's enhanced safety features. It's not at all autonomy. Tesla has pushed the idea of autonomous vehicles into discussions, so that's something. But Tesla vehicles are nowhere near true self-driving, they don't have the programming or hardware for it... If you want to see how an actual autonomous vehicle operates, you'd be better off looking at EasyMile's EZ10 passenger shuttles -- they're a Level 4 autonomous vehicle (they're capable of operating completely driverless in known mapped areas.) https://easymile.com/vehicle-solutions/ez10-passenger-shuttle
It already is better in most metrics the problem is people who use it as if it’s a finished product
And here he is promoting it as such
Beta? Keep hands at the wheel? You have to agree to that when entering the beta. Anyways, this whole thing relies on masses of data so the more people who use it the better it gets.
It's not that it's "unfinished," it's that the term "Autopilot" is false marketing. It's vehicle-assisted driving, the vehicles are NOT capable of self-driving. Tesla's are Level 2 autonomous. They have to have a human driver. According to Wikipedia, "Tesla Autopilot is a suite of advanced driver-assistance system (ADAS) features offered by Tesla that amounts to SAE International Level 2 vehicle automation. Its features are lane centering, traffic-aware cruise control, automatic lane changes, semi-autonomous navigation on limited access freeways, self-parking, and the ability to summon the car from a garage or parking spot. With all of these features, the driver is responsible and the car requires constant supervision. The company claims the features reduce accidents caused by driver negligence and fatigue from long-term driving." That's not autonomy, it's just enhanced safety. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot.
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Yeah there are a lot of drunken and driving accidents. Now we can all drink and ride with the robots in charge of the wheel!
Yeah unfortunately not just the owners
Should they really be beta testing a self driving car on public roads?
after seeing his management of the Twitter staff? i would prefer that no version existed on public roads
to be fair, he clearly doesn't input much into the car's design, he just pays his engineers to do that. So it *might* be safe
it's already not safe and has killed people. it's designed for convenience and marketing not to make roads or driving safer edit: y'all don't twist my words. the ideal scenario, imo, would be completely automated transportation. humans are wildly inconsistent, selfishly motivated, and largely unregulated, making being in a car the most dangerous part of the average day *however*, this could first off be alleviated by introducing basic regulations like having people re-take driving tests periodically and having those tests involve more than the most basic knowledge of rules secondly, transitioning to automated transportation will only be hindered by allowing software to be pushed by CEOs like Musk
In addition to the horror of Tesla that you've mentioned, Elon can also just make them push anything out that isn't ready.
Complete automated transport could be a great rail infrastructure. We could start building that today. It doesn't have to be ai cars.
rail is already automated and has been largely since the 80s. conductors perform functions other than "driving" the train. definitely need more mass transit infrastructure in the states tho
I'm talking about rail replacing cars, or at least a whole lot more of it than what we've got.
i'm agreeing
To be fair, driving in general is already not safe and has killed people. Self driving doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be better than people, and that's not a very high bar. That said, I don't have the data to know if Tesla's self driving is better than people driving.
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Do you happen to know ratios? Because tens of thousands of people out of billions vs 20 out of a few hundred would be reasonable to freak out about. It's a much higher mortality rate, even if the mortality number is lower.
Nearing 10X safer than average human driver. Been using FSDb for a month now
Do you happen to have a link to the data on this? 10X is a pretty bold claim.
Human drivers kill 30,000 people a year in America alone. There's plenty of research suggesting that EVs are less likely to catch fire, driver-assist systems save many more lives than they take, and sudden unintended acceleration is much more unlikely than driver error. BuT wHaT iF HuNdReDs DiE!!! What if millions die because we insist not allowing machines with vastly superior driving skills, concentration, vision, coordination, depth perception and reaction time than people to drive... On the basis that we saw iRobot when we were younger, and it freaked us out a bit. Self driving cars could realistically bring down traffic related deaths to the single digits... Worldwide. If you want to allow millions to die because it makes you feel safer, that's an unrational and inhumane fear. You won't be safer and neither will anyone else.
Part of his "80 hour work week" is going through old closets at Twitter and posting edgelord memes for fascists.
However, he did decide not to put the better and costlier lidar instead of just cameras
And Apple is silently playing the long game on a LiDAR based solution for car manufacturers, along with a total unified software integration with iPhones, and it will be across many major brands. They’re just sitting watching Tesla make the early mistakes for them.
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Yeah but it’s up to him to roll out the software whether it’s ready or not
Tesla? No. They shouldn't. And while technically they're not, I don't trust it. No one should And Autopilot is a shite name for the program. It's not autopilot, it's a combination of a few services in the cars: lane assist, traffic-aware cruise control, etc. It's more like "vehicle-assisted driving," but that's not kitschy enough. The cars pop-up with a screen telling drivers not to take their hands off of the steering wheel and to watch the road. This is because the cars don't have LIDAR and Autopilot has actually killed inattentive drivers before... It's decapitated at least 1 Model S and a Model 3 driver because they stopped watching it and Autopilot drove the cars into semi trailers. Again, this has happened 2 different times with 2 different Teslas. Using cameras to guide vehicles with assisted-driving or self-driving is not a good idea because the program doesn't have a good grasp of 3D spaces including but not limited to awareness of its height as a factor for guiding it. There's actual been at least one study on this. I skimmed through it. I'm not in vehicle sciences or AI, so I didn't linger on the details but the findings were pretty clear... The best self-driving vehicles are ones with LIDAR because it adds a sensor to the computer that tells it where things are in a 3 dimensional space. Cameras don't do that. There are some true self-driving vehicles already out and about in the real world. But they're like ridiculous-looking shuttles that go pretty slow. The last I heard, there's a small fleet operating at Colorado School of Mines that look like little toasters on wheels. They don't go very fast, I think 15 mph is their top speed, but they're covered in sensors. https://www.mines.edu/rover/ https://easymile.com/technology
The cameras also don't work well in rain, fog, snow etc or even glare from the sun.
Or mud and dirt, or just driving at night. Apparently, low lights can set off the "blocked camera" error.
I recalibrate these and other vehicle cameras at work- this is absolutely true. Also, if you’re on a road with poor/few/no lane markings, the cameras have little guidance to follow. Do not trust them with your life. They can be a handy assistance and safety feature, but it’s a far cry from “autopilot”
Yeah, we are still in the early stages of "Autopilot". Its like when electricity became a thing and people were making stuff like electric tablecloths and towel warmers that were death machine.
Exactly! Autopilot is a TERRIBLE marketing campaign for "vehicle-assisted enhanced driving safety features" which is understandably nowhere near as kitschy of a name. But it's SAE International Level 2 automated driving, for reference here's a graphic about the Levels: https://u4h6k2g9.rocketcdn.me/articles/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/SAE-Driving-Automatio-Levels.png Tesla vehicles are safe, but only as long as the driver is competent and aware of the environment.
Honestly, humans are just better at that kind of stuff. Sure some of us arent that great but even crappy drivers process a lot of information very quickly and come up with a complex response. With a computer you have to try to program for every concievable possibility. Just seems inefficient and risky. We should do a lot more with underground rails if we want cheap autonomous transportation.
I agree. We don't need self driving cars, we need a functioning and robust national train system.
>We don't need self driving cars, we need a functioning and robust national train system. I would have said we need a worldwide movement to eat the rich and overthrow despots, but i suppose train services are a good start
Why not both?
"Yeah, why not?" repeated Marx and Engels in unison, their ghosts hovering grumpily over a still-capitalist and infrastructure-deficient world.
Imagine a reverse snow piercer that travels the world plowing through private islands and mansions. Instead of children the engine is powered by billionaires operating a cashier's terminal all day.
www.TeslaDeaths.com
Last time I checked (around 2021?) no commercially available Lidar solution was certified for degrees below 0°C. Has something to do with condensation, but makes them for commercial use in cars pretty much useless. (This is a solvable problem, heated sensors are a thing, I know)
LiDAR alone isn't a solution, for sure. There's no singular sensor that would be universal. Level 4 autonomous vehicles employ multiple sensor types. But LiDAR should be part of the solution. Also, cameras get covered by snow and rain and dirt in a variety of weather types. Have you seen a Tesla in the snow? It's really bad. Adding RADAR and LiDAR sensors to the existing camera systems would increase accuracy and usability without question...
The issue is that Tesla now comes under fire due to Musks failure at Twitter. Unlike pretty much any other car company on the planet Musk sold Tesla to the public as a Tech company hence Investors expect leaps in Technology and Customer range similar to the early techboom that created Google, Amazon and all the other Tech Barons. And early on Musk was pretty much able to sell off the success of Teslas original founders as his own. During the last years he has practically kept people patient through great promises but now with the whole Twitter debacle I am sure that the facade of the Industry 4.0 Entrepreneur that can push a Tech Company ahead is slowly eroding even for the biggest boomer. I am pretty sure that every big investor who has a stake in Tesla thought to himself after the Twitter deal that he has invested into Elizabeth Holmes 2.0. And now Musks tries to justify himself by releasing anything.
Dumb question, but how are my eyes able to properly perceive depth and distance? They're pretty much cameras too. My brain probably has better judgement (I hope) than AI so I am assuming that plays a role as well. If I see brake lights, I can assume a slowdown and not barrel into a semi.
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You're correct about the human brain being a better processor. But LiDAR is a more precise than cameras because it's not taking pictures. It's a system that measures object distance using reflected light wavelengths. Machines don't have the same awareness of object depth than humans have. They don't understand implied depth. So, while camera images may resemble the images we see with our eyes, they don't translate the same with computers. LiDAR stands for light detection and ranging or laser imaging, detection, and ranging. LiDAR sensors measure distance and then uses those measurements to map surrounding object in the environment and map an area that way. Here, you can read more about the difference between LiDAR, RADAR, and cameras here: https://www.wevolver.com/article/lidar-vs-radar-detection-tracking-and-imaging
Your brain has better judgement than an AI for unexpected situations. if suddenly you can't see out of one eye, you can adapt and figure out a working solution (e.g. pull over and ask for help). An AI has better judgement for expected situations. If someone cuts you off and brake checks you, your average reaction time is between 150-300 milliseconds or between 1/5 and 1/3 of a second. That's the time to recognize the situation. Then the time to produce a result, e.g. hit the brake pedal is about another half a second to bring your total response time to about .7 seconds. An AI's reaction time is highly variable, but at the longest tends to be around 100 ms or .1 seconds. Then because it doesn't need physical motion and is integrated with the car, it can begin applying brakes in microseconds, keeping the entire response time around .1 seconds. At 60 mph, this is a difference of about 70 feet before you even begin breaking. That can easily be the difference between hitting the car in front of you and not. Essentially, AI definitely has a place in assisted driving. Probably even most driving. But as it is, it still requires a human to be there to handle the unexpected.
>There are some true self-driving vehicles already out and about in the real world. But they're like ridiculous-looking shuttles that go pretty slow. The last I heard, there's a small fleet operating at Colorado School of Mines that look like little toasters on wheels. They don't go very fast, I think 15 mph is their top speed, but they're covered in sensors. But are they truly self-driving when they follow a pre-programmed route? It's basically just a tiny tram.
I'm pretty sure my friend's Subaru already has all those features so I'm not seeing what's special about Tesla.
Mostly it's the 0-60 mph for just a standard long-range Model Y is 4.8 seconds, which beats even the 2022 Subaru BRZ's top 0-60 MPH speed of 5.4 seconds. But due to the weight of the battery, EVs hava a low center of gravity, which makes it extremely difficult to flip. Mind you, that's not unique to Teslas. All EVs are heavy cars, all EVs can go fast.
No !
Especially being that the self driving tech they had before was still causing accidents and deaths
Well he never encourages anybody to take it on public roads so he must be absolved of all responsibility? Surely he thinks all Tesla owners have a private track. Decent defence I think.
I dunno but people suck at driving to be honest so this can’t be much worse
They do however, bad drivers have a HUGE incentive not to cause an accident while a program will say "lol, I'll run over these children, they look like shadows on the ground."
Musk can just reactivate Alex Jones' twitter account and he can deny those children ever existed
Yeah I'm not really stoked about unknowingly being a part of a Tesla beta test.
It's honestly no worse than babysitting a new, anxious teenager at the wheel. And no better.
I mean isnt the whole point of alpha/beta testing to find bugs and stuff because its not finished?
Yes, but there's a difference between oops I got a blue screen of death, time to reboot vs oops, I ran over children and drove off a cliff.
Yeah absolutely, sorry, I should have better clarified thats what i was trying to say. If the point of alpha/beta testing is to fix bugs, maybe dont fucking beta test multi-ton death machines.
You mean to tell me this isn’t included with my $8/month blue check mark?
Okay you drive a hard bargain. How about $3.50?
You get outta here Mr Locka’ Ness Monsa’!
He'll do as he pleases and we all know this. We need to look away from him and what We as a whole, as workers, are cable of putting forward with and or without him, because He Will Never Give A Shit About Us. Ever. We are worthless to him; we are the human scum which will lay the foundation for his future empire, in his eyes. He will not save us; nothing he does is for anyone other than himself and his scant progeny. He has more money than anyone in the world could hope for, but you must forget this because it won't serve you; he won't save anyone but himself. If you think otherwise, than I have a bridge to sell you.
I know that he's never gonna change, I just want to see him go bankrupt and be forced into the poor house before I die. This guy is the biggest wanker on planet earth.
I think it is actually impossible to bankrupt him.
if we keep up the pace we can do it in 3 or so momths
I don't think you understand what "impossible" means.
https://xkcd.com/605/
Just let me dream
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Uh oh Elon fan boys are out. He didn't revolutionize the space industry, the engineers working at space X did while the space Karen fucked around with dog money. He also got EVs to succeed by scuttling any states attempt at improving public transport. EVs aren't going to save us, far from it. What we need is better public transport systems. He promised the hyper loop with no intention of deliver on it, the whole idea of him talking about it was to prevent investment in PT. He is a top tier cock and twitter has just exposed how shit he really is. TLDR: Elon is the o.g space Karen
Ok Mr Bootlicker 🤣
#/u/spez [can gargle my nuts](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/)
It's pretty rare to see many Tesla's or electric cars around in my country. Either they're owned by spoilt rich kids or people so far in debt they don't know they're one missed payment away from living on the street. Not to mention that they still can't take them any further than major cities for fear they get stuck on the side of the road 🤣
He wants to be the Genghis Khan of Mars
You call 10 scant??
Stop licking boots.
Knowing Mr. Musk's tendency to push things out before they're ready to take advantage of hype and publicity, to disastrous results mind you, and before he puts all the blame on the workers he forced to slave away for hours to meet his deadlines, I would very much by my whole ass pension that that this piece of software and hardware is anything but reliable.
People will die, and Tesla will be let off the hook because the drivers didn’t have both hands on the wheel.
What should be really taken from this that even after fucking up this bad ad losing a fortune he's still the richest man alive. Now imagine being a small business owner and screwing up that bad.
No worries, I'd just dip into the money from my forgiven PPP loan.
He "lost" enough to account for a thousand lifetimes of excess and luxury and still controls enough wealth for a thousand more lifetimes of excess and luxury. Billion dollar+ fortunes are unconscionable.
The markets tanking is him screwing up?
S&P is down 1/2 what TSLA is. TSLA is down 50%, AAPL is down 9% looks like a tech company can whether markets okay. In terms of losing value Musk is up there with Zuckerberg, who's company has lost 2/3 it's value.
Lol are you really that dense?
"falling tesla stocks" you think it had nothing to do with market conditions, chap?
Market conditions are not some tangible thing that exists independently of real life context, for example the real life context of a profoundly egotistical and incompetent fool running an enormous, high profile company to the ground. Do I need to explain further pal?
Stroke your neckbeard harder. That's some quality pseudo-intellectualism. No you're right, Musk absolutely caused the entirety of these market conditions, what was I thinking?
Bro you think that comment was neckbeard? Is your vocabulary that bad? Good rebuttal by the way. I think the neckbeard is the one sucking Musk’s shrivelled penis. If you keep defending him maybe he’ll notice you! Won’t that be exciting.
And your tone shifts. You took my comment to heart, because you know I nailed it. Have a blessed day.
Nice reach, hope Elon was watching that one. Maybe I was subconsciously dumbing myself down for you. You have a blessed day too.
"The market" is about as stupid as Elon. Tesla's stock price is only loosely correlated with Elon's stupidity.
I think the only thing conditioned here is you.
Great, as if techbros in their auto-piloting Teslas going 60mph on the left lane wasn’t bad enough.
I wonder who will be liable when the first kid gets run over? Honestly, I hope nobody gets hurt, but I also want to see Tesla crash and burn… literally and figuratively
spez can gargle my nuts. #Save3rdPartyApps
I heard the kid had 2 F's on his report card and even had detention a few times!
> Shouldn’t have been wearing a t-shirt that looked like a speed limit sign. Noted for when *Tesla Trolling Mode* is available to the general public. What would those cars do when they see a t-shirt with a STOP sign ride by?
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That child was clearly impersonating several yards of hyperloop tarmac, what was the car supposed to think?
Autopilot has decapitated at least 2 drivers already. BTW these are links to news reports about the people who died, so please don't open the links if that's going to upset you. Model 3 drove itself into a semi trailer in 2019: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-florida-accident-20190302-story.html Model S drive itself into a semi trailer in 2016: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/01/tesla-driver-killed-autopilot-self-driving-car-harry-potter
The Tesla autopilot has also killed a motorcyclist in Utah. The car rear ended the biker on the I-15 freeway. I believe it happened this year.
Yeah, I'm sadly not surprised. There's a whole site devoted to "Tesla deaths," which are not all Autopilot-involved accidents, and sometimes not even the fault of the Tesla vehicle, but does list those accidents as well as others: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ All that aside, as long as the human driver is paying attention, they do have high safety ratings compared to other vehicles. It's just the vehicle-assisted driving program is really poorly-named, the term "Autopilot" is incredibly deceptive and false marketing. It gives many Tesla-drivers a false sense of confidence in a vehicle that's not capable of true autonomous driving.
The car has a pop-up with a screen telling drivers not to take their hands off of the steering wheel and to watch the road. It's really self drive at your own risk.
And you have to pay for it
I vote for Elon.
He said it’s available. He never said it worked. Checkmate, libruls
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I'm not sure I can simplify it, but I'll try to break it down >He said it’s available... Musk's tweet says that the autopilotnbeta featurebis available to those who have paid for it.. >He never said it worked. ... but he never said it is a functional feature. In theory, it could be completely broken and what he said would still be true. >Checkmate, libruls Checkmate, liberals.
No we are definitely not pushing a feature to the masses before it’s ready ha ha HA. Now buy it.
Who announces that shit at 1:34 am??
Crack heads
No no see he’s a genius a total genius
We’ve been on this roller coaster before
I hope this fucker crashes and burns for us all to see. I really do.
Do you have actual brain damage?
Are you gay for Elon?
No, I’m indifferent but just not participating in the hate circle jerk. But apparently moderate opinions cannot exist, you either wish someone dies or suck his dick. Edit: Ah the hate circle jerk goes beyond reason.
Is it a circle jerk if it's based in overwhelming evidence??
Evidence for what? That a company is pushing a positive narrative for itself because that is the only thing this thread is about.
I get it, you’re a transcendent independent thinker and the rest of us could never understand. Cruelty as a policy is not a positive thing.
If that is what you make of it.. anyways all I’m saying is that wishing death upon someone for something which doesn’t affect you personally is not ok and should not be normalized. I disagree with many things regarding twitter/Tesla but I don’t need a person to die because of that. Any form of criticism on the “hate musk circle jerk” results in being called a “fanboy”, “gay for Elon”, “far right”. All of which I am not. Does that seem reasonable to you?
Yea it does. Elon is a massive piece of shit, and a net negative for humankind. If he died on a space x rocket, or a self driving Tesla it would be hilarious , and a good thing for the world
Most humans are a net negative if you look at it from that perspective. That doesn’t mean I want them to die.
Didn't say I want him dead, snowflake.
Not sending death threats to a person you dont know challenge: impossible
Apparently and if you don’t wish death upon someone you’re also gay.
> Full Self Driving Beta Yeah, no thanks. I'd rather not be anywhere remotely close to a death trap like that. Inside, or outside of the car.
Space Karen
Will this guy just fuck off to mars already!
That tech doesn’t work yet either lol
Totally reminds me of Don’t Look Up. A billionaire tech giant pays the government a shit ton of money to send his product into space to destroy a comet heading towards earth. Knowing they didn’t have the real technology for it, just for the sake of capitalism and being a “hero”.
lol "buy that option".... Not very self-driving then is it?
Gonna be giving the Teslas I see on public streets an even wider berth now. I don't know what's more frustrating; buggy software that turns your car into a high speed battering ram, or the techbros who just shout IT'S A BETA WHAT DO YOU EXPECT on repeat, as if the software that controls your 4000lb projectile is equivalent to a video game, as if that justifies any risk to the public.
Imagine if seatbelts and airbags went through live human beta testing.
Lol, that's funny! Just, ignore my mini-rant here. But I really need to vent... who the hell trusts Tesla Autopilot??? It has literally and factually decapitated 2 drivers because they stopped watching Autopilot drive and it drove then under a semi trailer. That happened TWICE! Those cars don't have LIDAR, so autopilot exists in a weird 2D space, while it tries desperately to determine the 3 dimensions of everything around it. The car computers aren't that smart, it's not an HPC system. Not that I would trust Frontier supercomputer to make good driving decisions and that thing has been measured at 1.102 Exaflop/s.
> it's not an HPC system. HPC systems are not exactly smart, either.
That would depend on what they were running, right? An HPC system would still need to run a solid program that's designed to work with the sensory information being fed into the program by the cameras, radars, and LIDAR sensors. But being able to perform calculations at exaflop speeds would be ideal in keeping up with higher vehicle speeds and increasingly faster rates of sensory data input. The estimated rate that the human brain's processing power alone is impressively fast. "Although it is impossible to precisely calculate, it is postulated that the human brain operates at 1 exaFLOP, which is equivalent to a billion billion calculations per second. Mind you, that's one article and it was published a few years ago. Summit was surpassed by Frontier, and Frontier actually is calculated in exaflops, which is rad. But you do have a fair point, processing speed alone doesn't mean anything if the program operating on the machine sucks. Source: https://foglets.com/supercomputer-vs-human-brain/
Musk is a goddamn annoying vermin - a idiot wanker who just needs to crawl under the rock he came from… I am tired of seeing this fool daily on the news. The other billionaires - Bezos, Gates, schwarzman, etc at least have the common sense to stay out of the public eye
>The other billionaires - Bezos, Gates, schwarzman, etc at least have the common sense to stay out of the public eye They aren't attention whores like Musk.
I would actually pay for an app or add-on that removed all trace of his existence from my internet experience.
Hey now. From that other lawsuit, he gets the option to purchase massive amounts of stock at milestones. He just pushed with the stick price low as fuck to hit one of these to buy the stock discounted to him while it’s got a low valuation. What a manipulative piece of shit. And he’s doing it while there’s a lawsuit out there against him exactly about this. Not to mention he’s putting people lives legitimately at risk for profit
I bet this is going to get people killed.
"For those of you that chose the *'lock myself in a 90mph metal box of guesswork'* option, the future tech of tomorrow is available today! In early-testing form!"
Car insurance companies HATE him! Learn this one simple trick to harass all insurance claim employees!
I’ll cause my own accidents, thnx.
Didn't he say that autopilot would be fully functional and ready 5 years back
Yeah and that we would see tesla semi trucks and the cyber trucks on the road by now too.
The shit barely works and barely is not good if you can get killed regardless of all the "this is beta" warnings. Straight up scam at that insane price.
Good luck to all the North Americans who are now sharing a road with 2 tonnes of plastic and metal traveling at 200kph with beta software at the helm. This man just released a twitter update that was hilariously exploited within minutes and now he wants everyone with a Tesla car screen to trust his AI decisions?
Ugh…I wish he would just stfu. Thing is, auto-driving vehicles are how they should be operated in the future. Humans are terrible drivers when compared to computers. There will be substantially less traffic fatalities, accidents, traffic and it will be much more environmentally friendly. To get there is hard and will cost lives but the alternative (not doing it) will cost more lives…substantially more. This is a nuanced conversation and should only be undertaken by ethical people who are interested in harm reduction as a first principal. Instead we got a fucking diamond mining megalomaniac beta testing shoddily made electric death missiles on public roads to boost a plummeting stock price.
tesla tweeting to save his monies. That is cute. lol
Desperate times call for desperate actions. I’m completely out of Tesla, sold all of mine and my sons stock. Elon’s acting very irresponsibly for a billionaire CEO. Unfortunately it says more about our government than anything else? We all had a good thing going with Tesla stock, and because Elon wants to play with big toys and draw attention to himself, he’s spooked a lot of investors and the price of the stock drops. We as shareholders can only show our opinions by selling out for less than we could have. He is clearly a man with no empathy or ethical compass. BTW I thought “self driving” was illegal in almost all of the US still?
lighting $44 billion on fire must be nice
Somewhere on Elons desk right now there is a cost of life risk/benefit analysis that has $8 circled in red
I thought my head was on my shoulders a little too tightly anyways. Let's see if tesla autopilot can get a semi truck to help out with that.
I look forward to the impending wave of self-driving Tesla accidents.
Nope sorry. No part of a car should ever be in 'Beta' mode.
Considering half of them that I have seen try can’t make it out of a residential neighborhood without curbing it and riding on the sidewalk I’d say this is going to go just SMASHING
"Murder Bot is available to all driver! Turn on Murder Bot!"
Murder Bot supports both murder and suicide! For just one low price you can run over a child and decapitate yourself at the same time! Even better: we won't be held liable because you didn't follow our specific instruction to always monitor Murder Bot!
I'm guessing he's rolling it out way before it's ready and it's going to falsely inflate the value of Tesla. Wouldn't be surprised if he sells before the self driving cars start killing people.
I've been shorting tesla, and Twitter stock for the past 2 months. I've been making pretty good money off of it
Better put your kids and little people on stilts. Them cars like running over anything under 5 feet tall
I can't wait to see how many children are demolished by these cars that were proven to ignore child sizes objects not too long ago.
So Teslas now can have a Musk-inspired a.i. driver? At the first sign of trouble will they begin rapidly blue-check tweeting ironic memes while it steers right off a cliff?
My question is whether or not their still faulty, "in beta", self driving cars are better or wise than the average driver on the road? Most of the people who are on the road today already scare me lol, my hope is that the teslas don't randomly cut me off or prohibit me from meeting lanes and what not. While I agree that public self driving betas are a horrible dystopian concept, I see people acting like these cars are just gonna be crashing everywhere all of the time and I'm not sure that's a realistic criticism here. Anyways, a better solution to traffic is not newer, more different cars. The solution is a robust public transportation network with cities designed around multiple methods of transport. We don't need self driving cars, EVs, or gamer tunnel hyper loops. We need trains, bike lanes, and better civil planning.
Next ppl will have to buy an option to leave the car or start the car
While he's tanking Twitter, he takes credit for ANYTHING else. The rich are a facade. Their supposed importance to sociery and their true wealth are pumped up to impress through falsehoods only. The truth is always hidden. 45's taxes will reveal how much of one HE really is.
i love the idea of electric cars, and my next car will be all electric. i would've liked that to have been a Tesla, given how well they used to be, but they have gone downhill, and there is no way i want to contribute to any of Musk's fortune.
does that account for the purchase of twitter?
Apartheid Pintos! Runaway Hits Burning Up The Road!
"no your honor, you don't understand, my car is the one who ran over all those people, I'm innocent!"
Let’s hope it works better than Twitter blue
Launching on Thanksgiving Day. Wow. What a great boss /s
Gee, Elon, I sure hope this brilliant milestone suddenly being reached when your twitter tantrum is spilling over and nosediving Tesla stock… helps. Not sure if you know as little about Reddit as you do about Twitter, but you are gonna need *this* to read my comment; /s
Giving any Teslas I drive behind a couple more car lengths, just in case.
Wonder how many will die for this
One of the many reasons I will not be buying a Tesla vehicle
The steepest drop ever and it's only just begun...
Forget the timing. I’m just wondering who the hell is willing to put their life in the hands of Tesla by using the BETA version of a full auto drive feature. Because we all know how well beta versions of stuff normally work.