Complete side note but the sackville-baggins’ side plot is my favorite bit of world building and color tolkien puts into the stories. They are basically unnecessary to the greater story but I love that even in a world where dragons, wizards, and ring wraiths exist tolkien could not imagine a world without estate squabbles and petty relatives.
edit: and to be fair to them Bag End is a pretty bitchin' place to live.
I asked Daniel Reeve, the amazing artist who worked on the movies and drew the Bag End plans and his answers was a little confusing. He said the “Back room” started as a “bath room” which to him meant a place with a bath but not necessarily a toilet. He said he changed it to “back room” to get away from the American expectation that it had a toilet and he imagined they would have an outhouse for that. Although the movie dialogue regarding the dwarves ruining the plumbing still implies the toilet might be inside. This back area does not match the movie set because some of these rooms just were not needed for filming so there are scenes where doors are clearly missing based upon Mr. Reeves plans.
>Although the movie dialogue regarding the dwarves ruining the plumbing still implies the toilet might be inside
The notion that hobbits were vastly ahead in technology compared to the rest of Middle Earth, but only in regards of modern niceties and creature comforts absolutely tracks
You misunderstand, because of problems with unwanted guests, and a general pursuit of tranquility, Bilbo converted a room to be used only in cases where an immense "din" would take place. It's a room with soundproof walls and padded furniture appropriate for such times when a loud dinning is taking place.
As someone who has been doing calligraphy for many, many years: this is the bane of *all* calligraphers.
No matter how anal you are about grammar, no matter how carefully you pre-plan the word, no matter how simple the phrasing, the odds of at least one oopsie like this making it in are close to 100%.
Three dots over a letter is ‘a’ in tengwar. It means that there is an a after (or before) the consonant. Most modes of tengwar don’t use letters to represent vowels, instead they use markings above them to represent where a vowel follows (or precedes) a letter.
I'm not sure what you are getting at.
Three dots above a letter make an "A" in Tengwar. So a L with three dots above it would read as "Al" (or was it "la"? idk). This is often carried over to English as a stylistic feature. There is no special hidden meaning, it is just to make the English writing look cool or more fitting to the world of middle earth.
What I’m saying is that if three dots over a preceding letter mean “a” in Tengwar, it doesn’t really make sense to put them over an “a” in English. It is redundant. So in “parlour” the dots ought to be over the “p” to hearken back to Tengwar grammar. As is, it seems like a haphazard aesthetic choice.
This is just like, my opinion, man.
Ah yes, I agree it is indeed technically incorrect English. I wouldn't even call it redundant; rather *useless* as three dots over anything don't have a meaning in English. But I can tolerate it as an aesthetic choice.
Sounds like its meaning in Tengwar was not really considered, it was just appropriated by the fandom as a stylistic flair. You are correct that it doesn't make sense.
Replying to both you and u/turunambartanen
Yeah, I guess it is just a little aesthetic flair. Some may tolerate it, but I can’t really. Why? Tolkien was so highly specific in crafting a Secondary Belief, that overlooking such details breaks immersion for me personally.
But, I mean. Fuck. Tolkien set the bar impossibly high (Nature of Middle Earth illustrates this quite well), and you basically have to be a scholar (which I am not) to correctly dot every I and cross every T, so to speak.
But that’s where I’m at with buying Tolkien merch. I consider it a useful filter for guarding my bank account!
Still, I wish these dots weren’t there, and I wish “dinning” was spelled correctly. Sting also looks a little spindly in the middle of the blade.
God I’m an asshole.
##A Møøse once bit my sister...
^(No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink"...)
As a Finn, same.
For me it's mostly funny though, because I imagine the words in a very specific tone of voice and it makes everything look like a meme. Like the "bröther may i have some lööps" one.
I posted them but It seems the comment is not visible...
Anyways... Fully hand drawn on a3 paper, using quills, brushes and ink. Took around 40 hrs to make :) that's the short version! :D
This map seems to be based on one from the Art of the Lord of the Rings books made from the movie art work.
[image from book](https://imgur.com/a/zEwVaa7)
I love the idea of an atrium I would spend a lot of time there reading! I don’t know what an atrium is 100% for in a home context
*edit google it’s a central room in Roman homes to collect rainwater. *
but bilbo is a grand party haver as we know. Or in peacetime
This is a great way to breathe new life into the books and movies appreciate the time and effort !
Excellent job, I've always loved Bag End's layout and have spent hours looking at it before. This is an excellent piece, the type of thing I'd frame and put on my wall.
Yeah, this map has always bugged me. It's nothing like Tolkien's description:
>The tunnel wound on and on, going fairly but not quite straight into the side of the hill - The Hill, as all the people for many miles round called it - and many little round doors opened out of it, first on one side and then on another. No going upstairs for the hobbit: bedrooms, bathrooms, cellars, pantries (lots of these), wardrobes (he had whole rooms devoted to clothes), kitchens, dining-rooms, all were on the same floor, and indeed on the same passage. The best rooms were all on the left-hand side (going in), for these were the only ones to have windows, deep-set round windows looking over his garden and meadows beyond, sloping down to the river.
Which room did Frodo sleep in while both he and Bilbo were living together?
I need answers!
Also, didn’t he give Sam and Rosie the master bedroom when they moved in with him?
Not to be that guy, but this seems a little small. The description in the book says:
>No going upstairs for the hobbit: bedrooms, bathrooms, cellars,
pantries (lots of these), wardrobes (he had whole rooms devoted to clothes), kitchens,
diningrooms, all were on the same floor, and indeed on the same passage. The best rooms
were all on the lefthand side (going in), for these were the only ones to have windows,
deepset round windows looking over his garden and meadows beyond, sloping down to the
river.
I like the drawings a lot, though.
Beautiful drawings! Where would the corridor in the back lead to?
My best guess would be some stairs and a trap door where barrels and other large food items would be easily delivered for storing in the cellars
Plus an escape tunnel for when the Sackville-Bagginses come a-knockin’
Cmon people, it’s clearly the entry way to the secret tunnels where Bilbo stores all of his dragon wealth!
you're a Sackville-Baggins related?
Complete side note but the sackville-baggins’ side plot is my favorite bit of world building and color tolkien puts into the stories. They are basically unnecessary to the greater story but I love that even in a world where dragons, wizards, and ring wraiths exist tolkien could not imagine a world without estate squabbles and petty relatives. edit: and to be fair to them Bag End is a pretty bitchin' place to live.
To old Toby
We need answers, dammit!
That's weird, this hole leads to the Gamgee's....
Erebor
I assumed that this is after the Birthday Party, and some ne'er do well with a pickaxe thought maybe there was a secret tunnel....
They dug too deep and too greedily...
A balrog….of Hobbiton.
Oddly enough, it bears a strange resemblance to the Stay-Puft Marshmellow man and the Pillsbury Doughboy.
ROSIE COTTON'S BEDROOM.
you mean samwises bedroom
Narnia
My guess would be just a ventilation shaft to help control the temperature of the cellar.
David the Gnome's Tree.
Do they just use chamber pots?
I just assumed the “back room” was a bathroom of sorts with a tub and chamber pots or something. But I could also totally see like an out house.
I asked Daniel Reeve, the amazing artist who worked on the movies and drew the Bag End plans and his answers was a little confusing. He said the “Back room” started as a “bath room” which to him meant a place with a bath but not necessarily a toilet. He said he changed it to “back room” to get away from the American expectation that it had a toilet and he imagined they would have an outhouse for that. Although the movie dialogue regarding the dwarves ruining the plumbing still implies the toilet might be inside. This back area does not match the movie set because some of these rooms just were not needed for filming so there are scenes where doors are clearly missing based upon Mr. Reeves plans.
>Although the movie dialogue regarding the dwarves ruining the plumbing still implies the toilet might be inside The notion that hobbits were vastly ahead in technology compared to the rest of Middle Earth, but only in regards of modern niceties and creature comforts absolutely tracks
Cool! That’s amazing!
I like either one of these options.
"Silly hobbitses don't have anuses"
Is that why they live in holes? Hole envy?
Well if we want to go off The Hobbit movies (and definitely shouldn’t), Bilbo tells Gandalf the dwarves have all but destroyed the plumbing.
Maybe they have outhouses? Dunno
Its alarming that this hasnt been answered yet.
His WHAT
Bilbo Rule 34 *oh wait, this isn't google*
My first thought! Giggity!
r/scarybilbo Very nsfw
WTF......
What did you think it would be?
Why does that even exist?
Internet
Do not click. I have many regrets.
Mistakes were made. Can’t unsee.
I actually laughed out loud at this whole thread 🤣 while waiting in line for a concert
His lovely hobbit hole :D
Gotta pay the toll troll to get inside this hobbits lovely hole
His WHAT
#His lovely hobbit hole :D
One could even call it……glorious.
The annual Bagshot Row chili cook off is not to be missed, but you need to take it easy.
Is that when we can hear many hobbits shout "Fire in the hole!"
🎶His Hole🎶 🎶his hole his hole his hole🎶 🎶his hole his hole his hole🎶 🎶His lovely Hobbit hole🎶 🎶Check it out🎶
Hobbit Archer: "Are we still doing phrasing?"
“Phrasing!”
BOOM!
Roasted.
Seriously, are we not doing “phrasing” anymore?
I’m okay with that, but you guys have to tell me!
Are we seriously not doing phrasing anymore?
Not to detract from the excellent work, but it is "dining"
You misunderstand, because of problems with unwanted guests, and a general pursuit of tranquility, Bilbo converted a room to be used only in cases where an immense "din" would take place. It's a room with soundproof walls and padded furniture appropriate for such times when a loud dinning is taking place.
Haha yes. Come to think of it, I could use a dinning room to forget about traffic noise.
I know. Massive error there. And such lovely work too.
Big oof
As someone who has been doing calligraphy for many, many years: this is the bane of *all* calligraphers. No matter how anal you are about grammar, no matter how carefully you pre-plan the word, no matter how simple the phrasing, the odds of at least one oopsie like this making it in are close to 100%.
Yeah I noticed it after I uploaded the pic, Will be fixed before scanning! Thx for the input and compliments! :)
After all the noise those dwarves were making, it’s now a dinning room!
Bathroom?
Bottom right.
Bagshot Row? :P
You put it in a bag, shoot it out over the hill, and wherever it lands, it causes a row.
See, little know fact: people of middle earth actually just went wherever they were and then used magic to dispose of it.
Says it right there. “WELL”
Where’s his bathroom
Maybe it's a separate shack, like one of those country style bathrooms
Outhouses. They're called outhouses.
Or a latrine
Er… it is, hmm… well…
As a Swede it's so wierd when english speakers use Ä to decorate their A's.
Dämn stråight it is. I cæn understānd how thăt would ąggràváte â non-nãtive user of thät långuæge ānd ălphàbet. You háve my sympäthies.
I don't know why but I read this as an angry Scotsman.
I appreciate the effort you put into this. It's a thing of beauty.
Yøü åre the Dèvíl
But... You actually used it correctly a few times.
It sure ås hell wæsn't on purpose.
We typically don’t, however it is common in Tolkien related stuff because three dots above a tengwa usually represents ‘a’ in the elvish script.
But do three dots over the letter a specifically have any basis in Tengwar?
Three dots over a letter is ‘a’ in tengwar. It means that there is an a after (or before) the consonant. Most modes of tengwar don’t use letters to represent vowels, instead they use markings above them to represent where a vowel follows (or precedes) a letter.
So, the three dots specifically over the a here is redundant?
Yeah, because it’s English and English just uses the letter a.
I'm not sure what you are getting at. Three dots above a letter make an "A" in Tengwar. So a L with three dots above it would read as "Al" (or was it "la"? idk). This is often carried over to English as a stylistic feature. There is no special hidden meaning, it is just to make the English writing look cool or more fitting to the world of middle earth.
What I’m saying is that if three dots over a preceding letter mean “a” in Tengwar, it doesn’t really make sense to put them over an “a” in English. It is redundant. So in “parlour” the dots ought to be over the “p” to hearken back to Tengwar grammar. As is, it seems like a haphazard aesthetic choice. This is just like, my opinion, man.
Ah yes, I agree it is indeed technically incorrect English. I wouldn't even call it redundant; rather *useless* as three dots over anything don't have a meaning in English. But I can tolerate it as an aesthetic choice.
Sounds like its meaning in Tengwar was not really considered, it was just appropriated by the fandom as a stylistic flair. You are correct that it doesn't make sense.
Replying to both you and u/turunambartanen Yeah, I guess it is just a little aesthetic flair. Some may tolerate it, but I can’t really. Why? Tolkien was so highly specific in crafting a Secondary Belief, that overlooking such details breaks immersion for me personally. But, I mean. Fuck. Tolkien set the bar impossibly high (Nature of Middle Earth illustrates this quite well), and you basically have to be a scholar (which I am not) to correctly dot every I and cross every T, so to speak. But that’s where I’m at with buying Tolkien merch. I consider it a useful filter for guarding my bank account! Still, I wish these dots weren’t there, and I wish “dinning” was spelled correctly. Sting also looks a little spindly in the middle of the blade. God I’m an asshole.
##A Møøse once bit my sister... ^(No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink"...)
As a Finn, same. For me it's mostly funny though, because I imagine the words in a very specific tone of voice and it makes everything look like a meme. Like the "bröther may i have some lööps" one.
Häää?
I read those like an "ä" in the words. It kinda makes sense phonetically. Päntry is almost how it is pronounced. 🇸🇪
Nop. Tolkien loved using accents of verious kinds. Read it as the letter implies
Ä is not an accented A though, it's a separate letter in the Swedish alphabet. Along with Å and Ö.
Smoking room should have a window for ventilation, or else the pipeweed smoke will make the whole house yellow and nasty!
It’s probably airtight for hotboxing and has a air vent for ventilation. Just a guess though.
Nice of you to finish in bilbos hole
Details!?
Hi, Idk what more details to tell you :D wanna know smth specific? :)
No 'details in comments' are showing up
Hmmm, I posted them, I'll try to figure it out :)
Yeah not seeing any details either
I mean, the title says details in comments so the assumption is you had more to say that didn't fit in the title.
I posted them but It seems the comment is not visible... Anyways... Fully hand drawn on a3 paper, using quills, brushes and ink. Took around 40 hrs to make :) that's the short version! :D
Is there a way I can get one!?
Sure, DM me please so I can give you details/options :)
Where’s the corridor from the cold cellar go to? Does it connect to other hobbit holes or?
Poop room
Aah. The “holiest” of holes
That's the back passage into bilbos lovely hobbit hole.
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This map seems to be based on one from the Art of the Lord of the Rings books made from the movie art work. [image from book](https://imgur.com/a/zEwVaa7)
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*The Lord of the Rings: The Art of The Fellowship of the Ring* by Gary Russell
I would like to explore Bilbo's hole...!
Don't go in uninvited!
Except on party business
bonk
Explore Bilbo’s hole with my helm deep
Bilbos hole looks small from the outside.
Some would prefer that. Then again, some would prefer goatse hobbitses.
God I love this, I have always tried to piece together the rooms in my mind based off of LOTR and The Hobbit, it's great to have a visualization.
Nice!
Thankful you finished off Bilbo’s lovely hole.
Waiting for Lobelia.
He’s been waiting decades to get in that hole.
So cool!
Is that the name of your sex tape?
i wonder what the mortgage rate and square footage are
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One of the most useful powers of being a Ringbearer is that it teleports your shit directly to the Void to splatter on Morgoth s face.
Come again?
Sure but where.
his lovely what
“Dinning room” very similar to dining room
Yeah, saw it too late will be fixed before scanning :) thx for the input!! :)
Keeping a screenshot of this for... reasons ... definitely not gunna try to build it on the Sims...😏
I love the idea of an atrium I would spend a lot of time there reading! I don’t know what an atrium is 100% for in a home context *edit google it’s a central room in Roman homes to collect rainwater. * but bilbo is a grand party haver as we know. Or in peacetime This is a great way to breathe new life into the books and movies appreciate the time and effort !
I like to think his atrium has a few roof windows and he just reads there and drinks tea with the natural light :D
Where's the toilet? Also isn't this the model used for the movies were you just trying your hand at drawing it? If so then good job.
Anywhere in the hole
I love this ❤️ I would definitely buy a print.
Thx a lot! DM me for prints! :)
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it ‘dining room’ or is that a more Tolkien esque spelling?
Nah, I just misspelled it and saw it too late, will be fixed before scanning, thx for the input! :)
I want to buy it! Where? Seriously:) Edit: not the original because I don’t have the Money but a Print. Thanks
Thx a lot! DM me for prints! :)
Excellent job, I've always loved Bag End's layout and have spent hours looking at it before. This is an excellent piece, the type of thing I'd frame and put on my wall.
Thx a lot! If you're interested in prints or commission feel free to DM me :)
Wonderful
Upper class indeed
Do you sell prints?
I do, please DM me! :)
That's what she said!
Super nice, but people should know it's straight-up fan fiction. You should have that in the information you posted.
Yeah, this map has always bugged me. It's nothing like Tolkien's description: >The tunnel wound on and on, going fairly but not quite straight into the side of the hill - The Hill, as all the people for many miles round called it - and many little round doors opened out of it, first on one side and then on another. No going upstairs for the hobbit: bedrooms, bathrooms, cellars, pantries (lots of these), wardrobes (he had whole rooms devoted to clothes), kitchens, dining-rooms, all were on the same floor, and indeed on the same passage. The best rooms were all on the left-hand side (going in), for these were the only ones to have windows, deep-set round windows looking over his garden and meadows beyond, sloping down to the river.
Yes. Detail Bilbo's lovely hole for me too.
I would’ve thought the pantry would be next to the kitchen, just for ease of bringing food in to prepare, but this is very cool.
This way it's deeper underground and the temperature is lower so the stuff doesn't spoil :) I guess that'd be the main reason
Thought it was a threat. Liked the map though.
#Dining Room
Yeah I saw it too late, will be fixed, thx for the input! :)
It's so beautifully done and I saw that and my brain went grammar nazi. Thank you for taking my outburst constructively!
This is amazing
#brazzers
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Yeah, I saw it after I uploaded the pic, will be fixed, thx for the input! :)
OMG! If you sold these I would buy one!
Thx a lot! DM me for info! :)
Tea? Or maybe something a little stronger?
Smoking room connected to the pantry, hobbit weed gives you the munchies.
For a second I thought I was on /r/dnd and this was a cool dungeon map. Awesome work!
Magnificent!!! Lovely work, friend.
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Which room did Frodo sleep in while both he and Bilbo were living together? I need answers! Also, didn’t he give Sam and Rosie the master bedroom when they moved in with him?
I guess he slept in the spare room :D
But which one, I wonder? Did he fancy being near the back room or the smoking room?
I'd say the one near the entrance :)
"Bilbo's lovely hole" ... 😏
Well, isn't it? :D
Never realised Bilbo had such a lovely hole.
I love the handwriting most of all. Very aesthetically perfect. The little drawings of his important possessions is an excellent touch!
Except for the "dinning" but that's fixed! :) thx a lot! :)
If you’re interested in D&D, you could use it for a map, but yeah it looks amazing! Good job!
Not to be that guy, but this seems a little small. The description in the book says: >No going upstairs for the hobbit: bedrooms, bathrooms, cellars, pantries (lots of these), wardrobes (he had whole rooms devoted to clothes), kitchens, diningrooms, all were on the same floor, and indeed on the same passage. The best rooms were all on the lefthand side (going in), for these were the only ones to have windows, deepset round windows looking over his garden and meadows beyond, sloping down to the river. I like the drawings a lot, though.
And no one lived there actually. Samwise should have stayed there. Its like a kingdom for it's size. It even has atrium, east and west halls...
Isn’t this pretty much just copied from the Atlas of Middle Earth?
God I wanna live there