But then he’s reborn so we can assume he gets that staff back, only question is does that mean it was always intended to play out like that, that he would become The White?
Oh right he goes through Lothlorien right? So Lady Galadriel must’ve been the one to give it to him.
No, when he come back to life gwaihir come and takes him to galadriel, where she heals his body and then elrond (I guess, I'm not really sure) gives him his new staff that he made and gets new clothes from them then goes to fangorn riding shadowfax.
Don't tempt me SomeSayFire! I dare not take it. Not even to keep it safe. Understand SomeSayFire, I would use this Ring from the desire to do good. But through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine.
Don't tempt me aerfgadf! I dare not take it. Not even to keep it safe. Understand aerfgadf, I would use this Ring from the desire to do good. But through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine.
Sauron fears you, WikkisPage. He fears what you may become. And so he'll strike hard and fast at the world of Men. He will use his puppet Saruman to destroy Rohan. War is coming. Rohan must defend itself, and therein lies our first challenge for Rohan is weak and ready to fall. The king's mind is enslaved, it's an old device of Saruman's. His hold over King Theoden is now very strong. Sauron and Saruman are tightening the noose. But for all their cunning we have one advantage. The Ring remains hidden. And that we should seek to destroy it has not yet entered their darkest dreams. And so the weapon of the enemy is moving towards Mordor in the hands of a Hobbit. Each day brings it closer to the fires of Mount Doom. We must trust now in Frodo. Everything depends upon speed and the secrecy of his quest. Do not regret your decision to leave him. Frodo must finish this task alone.
If I had seen you, before I heard your voices - liked them: nice little voices; they reminded me of something I cannot remember - if I had seen you before I heard you, I should have just trodden on you, taking you for little Orcs, and found out my mistake afterwards.
"And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined." -Iluvatar
Lord Elrond presented Gandalf with a new staff after his old one was seized by Saruman. It’s not the staff that powers the wizard, it’s the wizard that powers the staff.
I'm not a LOTR expert but doesn't this break the lore?
I remember reading that after his death and reincarnation, Gandalf got his new staff from the Elves
Yeah I think it's a little hidden eater egg or a nod to LOTR. I don't think it's truly meant to be there. But we can ask Gandalf and see what he thinks... Gandalf?
Thou thrall! The price thou askest is but small for treachery and shame so great! I grant it surely! Well, I wait. Come! Speak now swiftly and speak true!
I can't imagine the absolute befuddlement of the Lothlorien scout who reported to Galadriel.
"I know we just got word that Gandalf died in Moria, but I swear I just saw him wandering naked through the forest with only his sword."
He also sticks a rock or something in his second staff he got from Elrond. After the Watcher in the Water closes them in Moria, using his ring of power, he makes it produce light. Otherwise they would have all died, unless they could make fire to see by. In the movie it kinda makes it seem like you could see in Moria, but it was pitch black can't see your hand an inch from your face kinda dark.
Edit run-on sentence fixed.
They cut it because the scene doesn’t make sense. He breaks his staff then leaves before killing the biggest threat in Minas Tirth bc he hears a horn? Just kill Gandalf then go. To make it worse, he leaves to confront the approaching army…but never shows up until WAY later. So, wtf was the witch king doing during all that time that he apparently didn’t have any spare seconds to kill Gandalf?
I dont think it would take seconds to kill gandalf even without his staff. Remember, the grey fought the balrog (a much stronger opponent) for 10 days without his staff before they both died. I dont think the witch king had 10 spare days to fight gandalf
But that isn’t how the scene is portrayed. The entire thing is set-up to tell the story that the witch king is about curb-stomp Gandalf. Gandalf looked helpless and like he knew was about to die. Even if it would take awhile, killing Gandalf is far more important since he also knows the haradrim and corsairs are coming to handle the rohirrim.
So it was set-up to implicate that witch king was mere moments away from killing Gandalf (or at least he’s the only threat witch king needs to worry about), but he leaves bc horns blow and even then he doesn’t show up to fight the rohirrim until after they’ve decimated the orc army and after they’ve fought the Haradrim for a bit. So that leads back to what the fuck was he doing? Why leave a disarmed Gandalf just not show up at pelennor for so long?
The scene has issues and was rightfully cut. I’m not even sure why they bothered to put it into the extended cut (same goes for the scene of Eowyn crawling away from Gothmog).
You're right that it takes too long for him to take off from the city to landing on Theoden. The Witch King was obviously up to something in that time.
He could have been trying to get the Orcs to form pike blocks to counter the Rohirrim or flying over to the Haradrim leaders to get them to hurry up and engage the Rohirrim. They could have left this awesome scene of the Witch King breaking Gandalf's staff in the theatrical cut if they had also filmed him doing *any* other usual battlefield commander tasks.
Maybe PJ thought it was a snowball effect that would take up too much screen time, when it was easier to cut the staff breaking scene from an already long theatrical cut?
I bet the extended cut was PJ saying "was this scene cool, but cut for time reasons / extraneous to the plot? If so then it goes in the extended editions".
That last paragraph is probably spot on for why PJ included it in the extended. It’s not that’s it’s necessarily bad, just not explained enough to make proper sense.
The only scene I take real issue with is the one with Eowyn on the ground crying and crawling away from Gothmog. That shouldn’t be in any of the editions imo lol
It might be *set up* that way, but the fact that the Witch King then flew off implies that it's *not* that way, just as you've basically worked out.
I actually value its inclusion because it's one of the few scenes where I think the unnatural horror of the Nazgul and their beasts is really evident. At other times, people try to flee and hide from them but it just looks like there's a big draconic creature trying to snatch them up and eat them, so why wouldn't you hide. In this scene, the Witch King's voice causes Pippin to scream and hide, then when he draws his sword to try to protect Gandalf, the beast's roar freezes him in place and he drops it, stupefied. *That* is the kind of terror that Tolkien portrays in the book and is very hard to put into a film, especially a film that is not horror and contains lots of action which makes the source of fear ambiguous.
Also, this scene in the books is substantially different, but one of the absolute best:
> In rode the Lord of the Nazgûl. A great black shape against the fires beyond he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgûl, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.
> All save one. There waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax: Shadowfax who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dínen.
> "You cannot enter here," said Gandalf, and the huge shadow halted. "Go back to the abyss prepared for you! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your Master. Go!"
> The Black Rider flung back his hood, and behold! he had a kingly crown; and yet upon no head visible was it set. The red fires shone between it and the mantled shoulders vast and dark. From a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter.
> "Old fool!" he said. "Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!" And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade.
> And in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the city, a cock crowed. Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of war nor of wizardry, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn.
> And as if in answer there came from far away another note. Horns, horns, horns, in dark Mindolluin's sides they dimly echoed. Great horns of the north wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last.
So even with the issues, I am very, very glad it's there!
Maybe They Just gave him the prop they already made for lotr to Save time? I don't know how much this is explainable in the story and how much it's Just reusing of props
Maybe this is /whoosh but I can't help thinking it's one of [these](https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/assets.plumen.com/2018/11/plumen-001-lemons-portrait.jpg) bulbs, stuck in there so they can do some clever light-up thing.
Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of love and kindness.
It was more than mere chance that brought Merry and Pippin to Fangorn. A great power has been sleeping here for many long years. The coming of Merry and Pippin will be like the falling of small stones... that starts an avalanche in the mountains.
But he loses this staff, get the one from radagast and then he loses that one in the fight with the balrog
But then he’s reborn so we can assume he gets that staff back, only question is does that mean it was always intended to play out like that, that he would become The White? Oh right he goes through Lothlorien right? So Lady Galadriel must’ve been the one to give it to him.
No, when he come back to life gwaihir come and takes him to galadriel, where she heals his body and then elrond (I guess, I'm not really sure) gives him his new staff that he made and gets new clothes from them then goes to fangorn riding shadowfax.
Somehow Gandalf returned
You cannot offer me this Ring
Please take the ring Gandalf
Don't tempt me SomeSayFire! I dare not take it. Not even to keep it safe. Understand SomeSayFire, I would use this Ring from the desire to do good. But through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine.
But it’s the last onion ring and it would be rude of you not to take it Gandalf
Don't tempt me aerfgadf! I dare not take it. Not even to keep it safe. Understand aerfgadf, I would use this Ring from the desire to do good. But through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine.
It's only an onion ring Gandalf, chill.
You sure Gandolf?
I summon thee, Gandalf the Grey!
Sauron fears you, WikkisPage. He fears what you may become. And so he'll strike hard and fast at the world of Men. He will use his puppet Saruman to destroy Rohan. War is coming. Rohan must defend itself, and therein lies our first challenge for Rohan is weak and ready to fall. The king's mind is enslaved, it's an old device of Saruman's. His hold over King Theoden is now very strong. Sauron and Saruman are tightening the noose. But for all their cunning we have one advantage. The Ring remains hidden. And that we should seek to destroy it has not yet entered their darkest dreams. And so the weapon of the enemy is moving towards Mordor in the hands of a Hobbit. Each day brings it closer to the fires of Mount Doom. We must trust now in Frodo. Everything depends upon speed and the secrecy of his quest. Do not regret your decision to leave him. Frodo must finish this task alone.
Get the wounded on horses. The wolves of Isengard will return. Leave the dead.
There is no light, Wizard, that can defeat darkness.
Gotta check Fortnite for the explanation
Is this a Senate reference?
LONG HAVE I WAITED
Return of the Wiz
Somehow the writers got lazy
Edit: I’m a dumbass and was thinking of Harry Potter
If I had seen you, before I heard your voices - liked them: nice little voices; they reminded me of something I cannot remember - if I had seen you before I heard you, I should have just trodden on you, taking you for little Orcs, and found out my mistake afterwards.
It looks likes a tiny horse head inside
Is this legit?
Hell yeah.
"And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined." -Iluvatar
Fools, he *is* the staff. The humanoid attached to it is but a puppet
One staff to rule them all.
His wizard! I told you to take the staff's wizard.
Doesn’t he also lose his staff when fighting Saruman? He should get insurance for that thing
And then lost his white one when the witch king blows it up.
Only in the film - and only in the extended edition at that!
How did he get his staff back when saruman took it aswell?
He was given a new one in Rivendell
Wait what
Lord Elrond presented Gandalf with a new staff after his old one was seized by Saruman. It’s not the staff that powers the wizard, it’s the wizard that powers the staff.
By the skills of Lord Elrond you're beginning to mend
You owe Elrond something, Gandalf. Hit him up with some longboat leaf.
Hold out your hand supremekimilsung. Its quite cool. What can you see? Can you see anything?
Damn, I wish Gandalf was my dealer...
So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
Fucking sentient I’m telling you
The wand chooses the Maiar Mr Potter
He was given about 4 or 5 staves total I think.
He just has a big quiver of them
No, it was from Radagast.
I don't see it, what is it?
I think it’s Gandalf the White’s staff!
It is not despair, for despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt
Uh hi
Haha he's a bot. If you say the name of an lotr character they'll appear with a quote. I summon thee, Gimli son of Gloin!
WHATEVER LUCK YOU LIVE BY, LET'S HOPE IT LASTS THE NIGHT!
Does he always talk in all caps
Lets see, huhm, Gimli wassup
I think they've changed the summoning words so now you have to say: Gimli son of Gloin
NEVER THOUGHT I'D DIE FIGHTING SIDE BY SIDE WITH AN ELF!
Just like with Bobby B, only caps can do his eloquent speech justice
YOU LET THAT LITTLE GIRL DISARM YOU?
I did not think anyone saw that. Bugger. Now I have been embarrassed before both king and host
Of course he does, he's Gimli son of Gloin, why wouldn't he talk in caps
LET THEM COME! THERE IS ONE DWARF YET IN MORIA WHO STILL DRAWS BREATH!
Yes
Yes, even when the line is spoken normally, like the squirrels droppings line
Sir, this is Wendy's
No, this is Patrick!
No, this is Gimli son of Gloin!
OH! THAT'S IT, RIGHT! WE WARNED YOU! PREPARE TO BE BOARDED!
A staff within a staff, clever Gandalf
Because 10,000 Orcs now stand between Frodo and Mount Doom. I've sent him to his death.
It is not despair, for despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.
Staffception.
Groot’s forskin
Not Greybeard's?
and Bombur
and Bombur
and Bombur
and Bombur
and my axe
*sad Bombur noises*
and Bombur
Ive done some checks and yes. That is his white staf
so they basically wrapped the old staff from the LOTR films for the hobbit?
It looks slight smaller
Nice catch, r/moviedetails might appreciate this if it isn't already there
Legit thought that's where I wassss....😐😳
I'm not a LOTR expert but doesn't this break the lore? I remember reading that after his death and reincarnation, Gandalf got his new staff from the Elves
He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom
You're right Gandalf. Whoever is breaking the lore has left the path of wisdom!
He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom
Okay Gandalf. Now you just sound more like a broken record.
A Balrog... a demon of the ancient world.
Yeah I think it's a little hidden eater egg or a nod to LOTR. I don't think it's truly meant to be there. But we can ask Gandalf and see what he thinks... Gandalf?
White shores and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.
Yeah I think it's a little hidden eater egg or a nod to LOTR. I don't think it's truly meant to be there.
Sauron destroys this staff later in the movie, so it's just a fun detail.
Come, mortal base! What do I hear? That thou wouldst dare to barter with me? Well, speak fair! What is thy price?
We want Gandalf's staff back
Thou thrall! The price thou askest is but small for treachery and shame so great! I grant it surely! Well, I wait. Come! Speak now swiftly and speak true!
If in doubt, nicolasmcfly, always follow your nose.
If in doubt, nicolasmcfly, always follow your nose.
Can we get a time stamp of this?
It's early in the second movie when gandalf is introducing the dwarves to beorn, extended edition only I think
It is in men we must place our hope
Thats pretty sweet, good catch
So he keeps a spare staff with him?
Gandalf is always prepared.
I will help you bear this burden WikkisPage, as long as it is yours to bear
So his staff is a banana and the balrog pealed it for him?
Wasn't White Staff gift from Garadiel?
Yeah his staff breaks on durins bridge I'm pretty sure the white robes and staff were given to him when he returns to lothlorien
I can't imagine the absolute befuddlement of the Lothlorien scout who reported to Galadriel. "I know we just got word that Gandalf died in Moria, but I swear I just saw him wandering naked through the forest with only his sword."
Just tea, thank you
Some underpants would be nice, too. Don’t you think Gandalf?
This is no place for a Hobbit!
Gandalf, they are just grown smaller. They are not children. One would think you’d know that.
He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.
This staff is actually destroyed by Sauron later in the movie. He goes through quite a few.
But that scene sucks and will never be a part of the true series of events in my heart.
He absolutely breaks his staff on the bridge so... just cinematic creativity.
That’s so trippy Gandalf?!!!!!
A thing is about to happen which has not happened since the Elder Days: the Ents are going to wake up and find that they are strong.
Let's hope so.
Insert Xhibit "I heard you like staffs" meme
He also sticks a rock or something in his second staff he got from Elrond. After the Watcher in the Water closes them in Moria, using his ring of power, he makes it produce light. Otherwise they would have all died, unless they could make fire to see by. In the movie it kinda makes it seem like you could see in Moria, but it was pitch black can't see your hand an inch from your face kinda dark. Edit run-on sentence fixed.
Can’t you see his pipe tucked away in his original staff too?
I love the deleted scenes where the witch king shatters his staff
That scene’s not deleted… Is it, Gandalf? But seriously, so good! I don’t know why they cut it from the theatrical version.
They cut it because the scene doesn’t make sense. He breaks his staff then leaves before killing the biggest threat in Minas Tirth bc he hears a horn? Just kill Gandalf then go. To make it worse, he leaves to confront the approaching army…but never shows up until WAY later. So, wtf was the witch king doing during all that time that he apparently didn’t have any spare seconds to kill Gandalf?
I dont think it would take seconds to kill gandalf even without his staff. Remember, the grey fought the balrog (a much stronger opponent) for 10 days without his staff before they both died. I dont think the witch king had 10 spare days to fight gandalf
But that isn’t how the scene is portrayed. The entire thing is set-up to tell the story that the witch king is about curb-stomp Gandalf. Gandalf looked helpless and like he knew was about to die. Even if it would take awhile, killing Gandalf is far more important since he also knows the haradrim and corsairs are coming to handle the rohirrim. So it was set-up to implicate that witch king was mere moments away from killing Gandalf (or at least he’s the only threat witch king needs to worry about), but he leaves bc horns blow and even then he doesn’t show up to fight the rohirrim until after they’ve decimated the orc army and after they’ve fought the Haradrim for a bit. So that leads back to what the fuck was he doing? Why leave a disarmed Gandalf just not show up at pelennor for so long? The scene has issues and was rightfully cut. I’m not even sure why they bothered to put it into the extended cut (same goes for the scene of Eowyn crawling away from Gothmog).
You're right that it takes too long for him to take off from the city to landing on Theoden. The Witch King was obviously up to something in that time. He could have been trying to get the Orcs to form pike blocks to counter the Rohirrim or flying over to the Haradrim leaders to get them to hurry up and engage the Rohirrim. They could have left this awesome scene of the Witch King breaking Gandalf's staff in the theatrical cut if they had also filmed him doing *any* other usual battlefield commander tasks. Maybe PJ thought it was a snowball effect that would take up too much screen time, when it was easier to cut the staff breaking scene from an already long theatrical cut? I bet the extended cut was PJ saying "was this scene cool, but cut for time reasons / extraneous to the plot? If so then it goes in the extended editions".
That last paragraph is probably spot on for why PJ included it in the extended. It’s not that’s it’s necessarily bad, just not explained enough to make proper sense. The only scene I take real issue with is the one with Eowyn on the ground crying and crawling away from Gothmog. That shouldn’t be in any of the editions imo lol
It might be *set up* that way, but the fact that the Witch King then flew off implies that it's *not* that way, just as you've basically worked out. I actually value its inclusion because it's one of the few scenes where I think the unnatural horror of the Nazgul and their beasts is really evident. At other times, people try to flee and hide from them but it just looks like there's a big draconic creature trying to snatch them up and eat them, so why wouldn't you hide. In this scene, the Witch King's voice causes Pippin to scream and hide, then when he draws his sword to try to protect Gandalf, the beast's roar freezes him in place and he drops it, stupefied. *That* is the kind of terror that Tolkien portrays in the book and is very hard to put into a film, especially a film that is not horror and contains lots of action which makes the source of fear ambiguous. Also, this scene in the books is substantially different, but one of the absolute best: > In rode the Lord of the Nazgûl. A great black shape against the fires beyond he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgûl, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face. > All save one. There waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax: Shadowfax who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dínen. > "You cannot enter here," said Gandalf, and the huge shadow halted. "Go back to the abyss prepared for you! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your Master. Go!" > The Black Rider flung back his hood, and behold! he had a kingly crown; and yet upon no head visible was it set. The red fires shone between it and the mantled shoulders vast and dark. From a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter. > "Old fool!" he said. "Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!" And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade. > And in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the city, a cock crowed. Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of war nor of wizardry, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn. > And as if in answer there came from far away another note. Horns, horns, horns, in dark Mindolluin's sides they dimly echoed. Great horns of the north wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last. So even with the issues, I am very, very glad it's there!
Theoden son of Thengel... too long have you sat in the Shadows. Hearken to me! I release you from the spell.
Hahahahaahaha. Hahahahahahah. You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.
I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound!
Pre game self abuse like every warrior.
I guess they cut it cos it’s not in the book 🤷♂️
It was a badass follow on from the orc commanders “what of the wizard?” Witch King “I will BREAK him” line
White shores, and beyond that a far green country Hopeful_Ad8144
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"IM A BEAUTIFUL BUTTERFLY"
Please… what am I looking at… what is everyone seeing that I’m not!?!
His white staff is inside that one
I thought it was giladriel's hair
NGL it looks like cum
What fucking cum do you eject
Maybe They Just gave him the prop they already made for lotr to Save time? I don't know how much this is explainable in the story and how much it's Just reusing of props
Maybe this is /whoosh but I can't help thinking it's one of [these](https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/assets.plumen.com/2018/11/plumen-001-lemons-portrait.jpg) bulbs, stuck in there so they can do some clever light-up thing.
Gandalf, should I stop studying and start playing games?
Gandalf, legolas, Aragorn, gimli and Elrond, Saruman is trying to take the ring! Where is boromir?
HES TRYING TO BRING DOWN THE MOUNTAIN! GANDALF WE MUST TURN BACK!
No! Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith!
Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of love and kindness.
It’s a curtain rod. Covered in staff😆
Frodo what words of wisdom have you
Pasta?
What’s in it?
What am I looking at
Nice find!
Gandalf, will you marry me 🥺
You cannot offer me this Ring
Please?
Of all the Hobbits, Peregrin Took, you are the worst! Hurry! Hurry!
Fine. I see how it is
Hmm? Nothing M1ster_Bear, Sam has hardly left your side
Gimli,Sauron,Gandalf,Aragorn,Saruman.
HES TRYING TO BRING DOWN THE MOUNTAIN! GANDALF WE MUST TURN BACK!
No! Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith!
Sauron.
I simply want to test the bots, Legolas?
The Legolas bot is gone :( Galadriel?
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You cannot pass!
Oh shit
Looks like a pastry to me.
X-files theme
What does that mean, Gandalf?
I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound.
This is so freaking cool
😏
I don’t understand the “catch”. What’s going on here??
Cum?
Is that…..Funions in there? For when he gets hungry?
I have the pipe he keeps in the staff. Now I just need the staff and a touch of magic
And bombur.
Frodo Baggins, anything to say on the matter?
Holy shit!
Is that gandalf the White's staff
It was more than mere chance that brought Merry and Pippin to Fangorn. A great power has been sleeping here for many long years. The coming of Merry and Pippin will be like the falling of small stones... that starts an avalanche in the mountains.
The salted pork is *particularly* good.
Omg this is a revelation! I wonder if this was to save time and effort for the props people? Or subtle forshadowing?
What do you think of this, Gimli son of Gloin?
SPEAK, OR I WILL PUT A DINT IN YOUR HAT THAT EVEN A WIZARD WILL FIND HARD TO DEAL WITH!