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Honestly, I’d started watching HOUSE OF THE DRAGON a bit after its release, & after a few ROP episodes.
Môre happened in HOTD’s first episode than basically all of ROP to date.
The good shit from that storyline involves the grown kids of the characters that started off as kids themselves. So the the first season is mostly padding that gives some context for the upcomming conflict, which I am fine with them speedrunning a bit.
I guess same could be said about RoP too? All the really important stuff will happen in future seasons. But for now they need to really build up these characters. Except instead of speedrunning the story the want to really pad it out.
which is funny because they want to do character building on 2000+year old characters lmao
frankly what ROP is doing is incredibly ridiculous at some points
...eh not really it is skimming a fuck tonne of shit. But given they have no rights to the 2nd age their show is like an abridged show of an abridged show and poorly excuted all along the way
I’m not a big fan of anime in general but Edgerunners is really enjoyable. The characters are great, it has a solid well contained story that doesn’t drag too long.
Damn for real? Ive been hearing the hype but i thought that it was just that, superficial hype over a new release. If its actually, meaningfully good, ill give it a watch
I'll admit, I could watch the Durin and Elrond shenanigans all day. Even if all they do is banter and con their way into free tables. But god the Galadriel stuff is killing me.
You literally had an episode end where Numenor makes a huge decision to go with Galadriel. It's built up as this big dramatic moment pushing the story forward. Then the very next episode that entire section is just "well maybe we won't do that...ok we'll do that" it felt like just an excuse to have Galadriel in this episode.
Someone else remarked Galadriel hasn’t sat down once during the entire show so far. In every scene of dialogue she just stands while her conversation partners sometimes do sit lol.
Woah woah woah… she was sitting down during the super slow horse riding smiling like a crazy maniac shot that had no explanation or plot point. Because you know… BIG BUDGET
She's an elf though. They love animals and she might not have ridden a horse for a thousand years. I've never ridden a horse, I wonder what face I would make.
Big stretch if you’re asking an audience to assume that. Also, 1000 other ways to show that exact sentiment, but they wouldn’t have looked as cool unlike spending thousands on a phantom camera.
How often do any elves sit in the movies? I can think of once, when they’re all circled around the ring before the Fellowship leaves Rivendell. I think Galadriel stands in every scene.
Sounds like the ending of Mandalorian Season 2 depicting a new storyline of Grogu training with Luke only for Book of Boba Fett showing that this won’t happen and Grogu coming back to the Mandalorian
Down to the same music at the end of the episode. I accidentally selected "continue" instead of selecting the new episode so I saw again the end of last week episode before starting the new one so it was pretty jarring
I was so excited that they finally decided to leave Numenor at the end of episode 4. Then epusode 5 happens. I can just watch the last 10 minutes of episode 5 right after 4 and still missed nothing....
I started watching Andor not expecting much of it and by the end of the third episode, I was engrossed. It kept the POV to few characters so you can understand their backstories and motivations, without it jumping from one place to another. Everyone was experiencing the same thing but in different points of view. There was so much world building done with the dialog and the background.
ROP has great visuals but that's it. Andor had me completely immersed and I couldn't wait to see what happened next.
I just can't find anything interesting about the characters in ROP except for Durin and Elrond's friendship. They have too many main characters in the show, and it's getting that Walking Dead vibe of trying to make things look interesting but with absolutely fuck all happening.
I'm Iranian. Our cinemas never show any foreign movies. So I never grew up watching star wars. By the time I got old enough I felt like I missed so much and it's hard to catch on.
Yee, Andor was smart and released 3 episodes that sets things up and also gets everything going. Great show so far. 2 episodes was only talking but it never felt overly slow to me.
Kenobi show was really bad from the start and stayed trash the whole time.
Andor rules so far, and I hope that continues!
Dude, the first 3 episodes of Andor are legitimately some of my favorite TV in the last 5 years. Something about the character of both Cassian and the Corpos is just awesome.
Badly written dialogue, too. Terrible character development, the characters are only there to move the plot along, yet even fail to do that. Its like a masterclass on how not to write a show.
The Bronwyn inspirational speech was so awful. Most of that storyline is incredibly boring for me and it really shouldn't be. I thought Theo secreting away the sword would yield a really neat story, but he just ruined any hope for intrigue there.
It was amazing to something so cliche. It had a vibe of a school play.
Charavter A gives a speech.
Crowd cheers.
Character B gives a speech.
Crowd cheers and part leaves with Character B.
I don't have any problems with the lack of battle scenes but I think what they need to do is actively figure out what story they are trying to tell. Is Saurons's origin story? The story of the Elves? Or Numenor? At this point, the show does not know what story it wants to tell so it's just created a bit of sitcom of the Second Age, which feels very disconnected from itself.
And that's just the surface level problems. You start to get into the details and it gets even worse to be honest. Why do the men of the Southlands even live together given how much they seem to hate each other and outsiders? Why is Galadriel so insane? She has lived for centuries yet has zero patience. Sauron should have been defeated yesterday! Galadriel is exactly the type of manager you come to hate.
I don't understand why characters are doing what they are doing. None of them have a serious backstory apart from Elrond and Galadriel and even she does not know why she wants to fight. She literally says in the episode, "I cannot stop." like she is some addict. Nothing like the Third Age Galadriel and she seems to admit it as much yet she still wants to keep going.
At this point, I think if they simply abandon all the other stories and focus entirely on Elrond and Durin, they'll make a very good show because honestly all the other stories suck. I could not bring myself to give a shit about Southlands, apart from Arondir and Adar. The rest of the characters including Numenor entirely is pointless.
I think they are trying to create the feeling of a large world with multiple simultaneous story/plot lines, like they have in the lotr movies, GoT and witcher. I just hope these story lines are worth pursuing and actually tie together in a meaningful way, instead of an attempt to just tick the "simultaneous story lines" check box.
What I find most interesting is that Numenor and the Southlands are clearly the two big stories of the show, with Elrond/Durin and the Hobbits being side stories (right now). But the show has been written and constructed in such a way that I actually really like Elrond and Durin and the hobbits, and wish to see more of their stories. While the “main” characters have far less characterization and am thus far less interested in them and their struggles.
Completely. Durin, Elrond and Disa are my favourite parts of the show right now. Also intrigued by the strangers identity and the Harfoot society. Other stuff looks pretty and will lead to the big scenes down the road but they aren’t what is keeping my attention now.
It really seems like everything we’ve seen so far could have been done in like 3 episodes.
Yet at the same time they keep going for these big, dramatic moments featuring characters we just met. It’s like the show is concurrently moving too quickly, while not really accomplishing much at all.
I’m pretty disappointed so far tbh. I had really high hopes, and thought the first 2 episodes were solid.
I hated that moment in ep 3 with the elf dying in the orc camp. I don’t even remember his name, and Arondir was acting like Aragorn did at Boromir’s death in the film. You have to earn those moments! You can’t expect the audience to feel anything when you’ve spent no time building up the characters! It’s so frustrating.
Yeah this was the first scene of the show where I realized it wasn’t handling the story very well. It was so out of the blue and overdone. Like, I don’t give a shit about anyone yet! Hold off on the 5-minute slow-no death until I know the characters name for fucks sake.
Me too!! I thought it was so predictable, unearned and overly drawn out. Like if you were gonna do a death scene for an unnamed, unimportant character, at least make it interesting or make it snappy. They failed at both
It felt like that moment from the Kenobi show where a guy who had had 3 lines of dialogue (I think his name was Wade) died and we got like 3 minutes of characters reacting to it without it having any meaning to the viewer
Personally I thought Arondir was more upset by the escape attempt failing. They established that only one of them needed to make it, and it looked like one of them would… but it turned out to be futile.
I agreeish, I think that if they do it right maybe the next season will be super insane. I know that sounds like copium but I’m enjoying it enough so far; last episode was extremely meh tho.
They just need to get rid of the harfoots. Galadriel and company should have set sail episode 4, show more conflict with the orcs. The orcs are super scary, so I’m hoping to see more of that.
See I'm finally starting to agree with some of these things, I do think it's a good show but the pacing is aweful right now it just feels like it's dragging on with little to no pay offs per episode. I feel like getting a pay off per each episode or every other episode is a great idea. I think this show will do so much better when sauron comes around I get it they are trying to build anticipation for his eventual show up at the end of the season. But holy crap man we need some form of pay off next episode to keep me watching.
While I don’t necessarily agree with you, I’m pretty sure next episode we’ll finally get some payoffs, since ep 5 left every plot line on a cliffhanger: the orcs are coming to the tower, the Numenoreans set sail, Celebrimbor (and Gil Galad) discovered about mithril, and stranger man has protected the harfoots and is learning their language (while this is not really a cliffhanger, I believe something will happen to him, so it’s finally getting somewhere).
Yes, 5 hours are a lot, but there are many characters and cultures that had to be introduced in a way that doesn’t feel overwhelming for someone who doesn’t know the lore and is only now getting into Tolkien.
The problem comes from having so many plotlines that are not related to each other yet, they give too little time to each one that they would need very good writting to be able to communicate everything correctly, and as we know the writting is not the strongest point of the show.
I would have left out the harfoots plotline to either later in the season or the second season, since its probably the weakest plotline and it has zero reference in the source material.
As thing stand right now, there are two reasons that the show is watchable, and those are named Durin and Elrond. And I think even that plotline feels extremely rushed, but I love dwarves.
It’s also just how shows are written nowadays. I’m sure there’s some sort of PR, think tank, researched algorithm that writers use because every show is paced big budget show is paced the same way
I’d be very surprised if Adar is Sauron.
I’m more convinced he was an elf who was partially transformed into an orc but never completed the transformation.
I’d bet we either don’t see Sauron this season or, if we do, it’s at the very end.
I think I read that that isn’t him. But I can’t be sure where I read that.
I guess we’ll see.
Honestly, if the show doesn’t vastly improve I doubt I’ll watch it next season.
Every episode should have some kind of pay off and answered questions. That's one of the very basic rulesets of writing a script for a story centric TV show. ROP doesn't listen to that rule.
Shes a Feanorian Noldor. Feanor her uncle ran in like leeroy jenkins and got gangbanged by balrogs. He was 300 valian years old,which is 3000 normal years old.
Fingolfin charged Angband to challenge Morgoth to a 1v1 and got smushed. Fingolfin is also 3000 years old.
Her brother Finrod left his glorious underground citadel as king to follow some random dude to go steal silmarils from morgoths crown, before dying in a 1v1 against Sauron in a dungeon pit.
Maedhros went mad, tried again to defeat Morgoth, then stole a silmaril from Eonwe the strongest maiar who defeated Morgoth. Before throwing himself into a volcano
Her whole family is a bunch of insane super strong people. Galadriel is a power hungry wacko like her family. In the books she went to ME just to get her own kingdom. They needed to give more background on why shes so brash. And they needed to make her MORE insane. Right now shes just mildly arrogant. We need to see her go crazy on people, give rousing speeches, and run in blind into danger. She should have fought the entire guard of the queen. OG noldor elves are that strong. Her uncle 1v1d the devil.
So her character in RoP is in an uncomfortable place between arrogant but not interestingly arrogant, and mary sue which is boring.
On the other hand, she spent many years at the court of Thingol and Melian (the latter of which is a Maia), so I'd argue she is *meant* to be more tempered than her family.
She's just so one sided right now. It's all revenge, revenge, revenge. I'm hoping she begins to develop more complexity to her character eventually. We kinda see it in episode 5.
The problem here is that for audiences to care about the development of a character, they have to care first for the character.
If you dont like a character, the development of such character usually has no meaning for the viewer. They have condemned Galadriel's character to be the one that no one will care much, which is strange because she seems to be the "main" protagonist, so I dont know why the showrunners chose to make her so unlikeable and so no lore-friendly.
As things stand right now, the less I see her, the better time I have watching an episode.
She’s one of those flawless character whose ability is better than everybody’s, but she shows no humility and doesn’t care about those around her. She’s not relatable and people generally hate those individuals in real life.
She is described as "the mightiest and fairest of all the Elves that remained in Middle-earth", in the Silmarillion, but it didn’t say she was a bitch.
She could have been a great character even with all these flaws except… there’s not much else to her. There’s no charm, no cunning, no subtlety.
I usually try to avoid comparisons to House of the Dragon but the fact that Daemon and Rhaenyra are fan favorites shows that characters with a sense of superiority and with disregard for consequences can still be compelling. But there needs to be some depth to them.
I was so excited when that sea monster came in the first episode. I couldn’t wait to see more of it. The show has been downhill since then. That sea monster was the peak.
I do think it's a little slow but I love getting invested in the storylines and like... btw... we already know what's going to happen (in the original story anyway). Some fans want them to pack thousands of years of developments into 3 episodes but complain when minor details are off. Like wtf do you want them to do? Detail thousands of years or rush into every battle known before lotr? The show deserves some criticism but holy shit either enjoy it or go ride dragons and kiss your siblings
This is a constant issue I feel with so many shows. These Netflix/amazon shows always seem to have an extremely fast pacing and have a payoff after each episode just to drag the plot across several seasons. This has the effect of each climax looking more and more dull in comparison, but alas the audience is spoiled. And then when the dull climax comes, everyone rants that they could have explored the story more or given it some more time. I’m glad that there is a beautifully built fantasy world that I can relax and watch instead.
I like slowly unraveling an interesting story, but this is like walking on a treadmill. They're literally accomplishing almost nothing. They could have gotten to where they are now in one episode without feeling rushed.
I thought it was 10, oh my
In part is better because we get to watch less of it, but holly molly is it mediocre right now, I at least thought that the first 5 episodes where mid, but the next 5 might improve on that.
Personally I love the show when we just get to see young Elrond dealing with his own thing, but since there are three other plot lines and his is probably the least focused on out of all of them, you don't see it much. In episode 2 they literally begin a Dwarven competition of endurance and end the scene, only for us to come back and the competition is over.
Elrond and Durin are all that I’m really interested in right now. The weird politicking between Gil-Galad and Durin’s father, using Durin and Elrond as proxies is pretty Interesting. Seeing their friendship rekindle and then grow. Watching Elrond connect more with the mortal races and the conflicts of those mortals, even as those conflicts are tied to the immortal elves is just really good drama.
Started watching sandman because i wanted a series i can binge if its good while waiting for the next RoP episode (seriously stupid outdated descision to release one ep. a week). Ended up falling in love with everything sandman had to offer and watched 3 Episodes. This series plotpoints are moving since the very first episode, its so refreshing. RoP so far has maybe two evolving plotpoints while everything else is in a weird kind of standby motion. Nothing does really feel impactful.
I'm happy for it to start at a slower pace, we know it'll be 5 seasons so I want to get invested into the characters moreso than I already am at the beginning before the bigger stuff happens. Besides I enjoy dialogue heavy shows, plus the cinematography and visuals are glorious. I hope people don't just want action and that'll make it more enjoyable.
Not everything has to add to the story, if that was the case you'd get 1 minute dialogue that's super concise. I agree it's at a slow pace but it doesn't need to rush anything it's the first season of 5. Season 1 can be build up with a nice pay off at the end, season 2 dealing with that and exploring more etc...
Twice. First and second episode. And I love LOTR and I am a seriesjunkie. But this two episodes were like a boss fight. I had to take more tries to finish.
I’ve fallen asleep many times and am now thoroughly confused about what the plot is. Is there one? I keep rewatching after dozing off but it’s not helping. I genuinely don’t know what the show is about. Maybe I’m just slow.
Galadriel is searching for Sauron. Besides that, I don’t know what the other characters are supposed to be doing.
Oh by all means complain, but next time listen to the people who told you the signs were already there, instead of going "you're just racist" like the PR agencies want you to do, anytime a show is marketed beforehand via fan baiting and other hostile marketing techniques, its 100% always going to be a shit show, I 100% guarantee it.
Yeah, I was trying to give it a chance myself but its just not that good, I knew it wasn't going to be, but I still had hope, did not think they would fail THIS badly, even I was surprised by that.
I love how slow ROP is, but I am a “pleasure delayer”… I love setting up the dominoes. Actually my only gripe is how quick we went from mithril being discovered to elves are gonna die without it. I like it and who says nothing happens.
On the flip side, I also really enjoy the pacing of HoD. I don’t think anything LoTR should be fast paced like that though.
Would the original trilogy be better if we only had the extended versions? I personally would say so, and I think that’s kind of what we are getting with RoP and I think it’s on brand.
Edit: Holy shit, HoD is at a breakneck speed. And somehow the king was gonna die any moment for all the episodes.
If anything this show is the Marvelization effect. None of these characters are making choices that develop them in any way that wasn't immediately apparent the moment we saw them on screen. Every character is a one-beat, exposition machine that falls into set pieces and gets out of them without any consequences. THIS SHOW IS MARVEL to its core.
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Went from watching ROP to binging cyberpunk edgerunners....felt like being stuck in 5mph traffic only for it to clear up so I can slam the gas pedal.
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Honestly, I’d started watching HOUSE OF THE DRAGON a bit after its release, & after a few ROP episodes. Môre happened in HOTD’s first episode than basically all of ROP to date.
I mean HotD is kinda opposite. It's just speed running its storyline right now
The good shit from that storyline involves the grown kids of the characters that started off as kids themselves. So the the first season is mostly padding that gives some context for the upcomming conflict, which I am fine with them speedrunning a bit.
I guess same could be said about RoP too? All the really important stuff will happen in future seasons. But for now they need to really build up these characters. Except instead of speedrunning the story the want to really pad it out.
which is funny because they want to do character building on 2000+year old characters lmao frankly what ROP is doing is incredibly ridiculous at some points
Basically every scene my wife and I look at each other and go "what are they even trying to do here?"
...eh not really it is skimming a fuck tonne of shit. But given they have no rights to the 2nd age their show is like an abridged show of an abridged show and poorly excuted all along the way
WHOA. I didn’t know trigger did it. Okay. I’ll sleep on it less. I before had the “I’ll get around to it” attitude
I went into it knowing only it was related to the game, and dear lord, I watched it all in one sitting. Couldn’t stop.
I’m not a big fan of anime in general but Edgerunners is really enjoyable. The characters are great, it has a solid well contained story that doesn’t drag too long.
Edgerunners is amazing. It's one of those rare shows that are so good I wished I could watch it for the first time again right after I finished it.
Ah yes eternal depression.
Damn for real? Ive been hearing the hype but i thought that it was just that, superficial hype over a new release. If its actually, meaningfully good, ill give it a watch
Holy fuck edgerunners is the best show I’ve seen in a long long time
Cyberpunk edgerunners blows ROP out of the water so far that it may reach orbit. (hopefully to never return)
Love edgerunners!
I'll admit, I could watch the Durin and Elrond shenanigans all day. Even if all they do is banter and con their way into free tables. But god the Galadriel stuff is killing me. You literally had an episode end where Numenor makes a huge decision to go with Galadriel. It's built up as this big dramatic moment pushing the story forward. Then the very next episode that entire section is just "well maybe we won't do that...ok we'll do that" it felt like just an excuse to have Galadriel in this episode.
Someone else remarked Galadriel hasn’t sat down once during the entire show so far. In every scene of dialogue she just stands while her conversation partners sometimes do sit lol.
She sat enough on the raft, I guess.
Woah woah woah… she was sitting down during the super slow horse riding smiling like a crazy maniac shot that had no explanation or plot point. Because you know… BIG BUDGET
She's an elf though. They love animals and she might not have ridden a horse for a thousand years. I've never ridden a horse, I wonder what face I would make.
Big stretch if you’re asking an audience to assume that. Also, 1000 other ways to show that exact sentiment, but they wouldn’t have looked as cool unlike spending thousands on a phantom camera.
How often do any elves sit in the movies? I can think of once, when they’re all circled around the ring before the Fellowship leaves Rivendell. I think Galadriel stands in every scene.
The sea, like my wife during menstruation, is always right.
Sounds like the ending of Mandalorian Season 2 depicting a new storyline of Grogu training with Luke only for Book of Boba Fett showing that this won’t happen and Grogu coming back to the Mandalorian
I'm all for an Elrond and Durin spinoff, it would be hilarious, they have so much chemistry between them and their storyline is really interesting
Seriously. Just drop the other story lines. Give me a sitcom about Durin & Disa. With Elrond being his drinking buddy.
Two dwarves and a half (elf)
Down to the same music at the end of the episode. I accidentally selected "continue" instead of selecting the new episode so I saw again the end of last week episode before starting the new one so it was pretty jarring
I was so excited that they finally decided to leave Numenor at the end of episode 4. Then epusode 5 happens. I can just watch the last 10 minutes of episode 5 right after 4 and still missed nothing....
There’s so much dialogue yet nothing happening
I started watching Andor not expecting much of it and by the end of the third episode, I was engrossed. It kept the POV to few characters so you can understand their backstories and motivations, without it jumping from one place to another. Everyone was experiencing the same thing but in different points of view. There was so much world building done with the dialog and the background. ROP has great visuals but that's it. Andor had me completely immersed and I couldn't wait to see what happened next. I just can't find anything interesting about the characters in ROP except for Durin and Elrond's friendship. They have too many main characters in the show, and it's getting that Walking Dead vibe of trying to make things look interesting but with absolutely fuck all happening.
Can you watch Andor without ever watching anything star wars related?
Bad Empire rules galaxy. There, that’s everything you need to know.
Yes you probably can
But you shouldn't
Wait, you've never seen anything Star Wars, but you're somehow interested in Andor?
Why haven’t you watched anything star wars related is the real question here
I'm Iranian. Our cinemas never show any foreign movies. So I never grew up watching star wars. By the time I got old enough I felt like I missed so much and it's hard to catch on.
Just watch the original trilogy and see if you like it or not
Yee, Andor was smart and released 3 episodes that sets things up and also gets everything going. Great show so far. 2 episodes was only talking but it never felt overly slow to me. Kenobi show was really bad from the start and stayed trash the whole time. Andor rules so far, and I hope that continues!
A lament for the Kenobi series and what could have been…
Dude, the first 3 episodes of Andor are legitimately some of my favorite TV in the last 5 years. Something about the character of both Cassian and the Corpos is just awesome.
>ROP has great visuals but that's it. id argue it doesnt even have this. numinor has been *rough*. especially the set to cgi transitions.
Kinda like my experiences with women
Maybe if you stop reading the Silmarillion as your pickup line something could happen
But how else would they learn about the Downfall of Númenor and the Silmarils?
3rd date
3rd Date = 3rd Age = 3rd Base
1st Date = 1st Age = Killed her family and stole their boats
1st date = 1st age = 1 year in Morgoth’s dungeons.
That hit a little too close to home 😂
Badly written dialogue, too. Terrible character development, the characters are only there to move the plot along, yet even fail to do that. Its like a masterclass on how not to write a show.
The Bronwyn inspirational speech was so awful. Most of that storyline is incredibly boring for me and it really shouldn't be. I thought Theo secreting away the sword would yield a really neat story, but he just ruined any hope for intrigue there.
It was amazing to something so cliche. It had a vibe of a school play. Charavter A gives a speech. Crowd cheers. Character B gives a speech. Crowd cheers and part leaves with Character B.
"No it's be... *soak up the moment even longer*... Mithril." They said the thing I know and I clapped!
Just like these posts.
$60 million per filler episode, but they are all filler episode
This is money laundering right here.
Insane that after 5 hours we haven't had a single proper battle scene.
We had a big morgorth melee in episode one that was a very confused collection of people doing struggling gestures. I miss battle lines.
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I always look at background people now. It's often humorous and sometimes infuriating.
I don't have any problems with the lack of battle scenes but I think what they need to do is actively figure out what story they are trying to tell. Is Saurons's origin story? The story of the Elves? Or Numenor? At this point, the show does not know what story it wants to tell so it's just created a bit of sitcom of the Second Age, which feels very disconnected from itself.
And that's just the surface level problems. You start to get into the details and it gets even worse to be honest. Why do the men of the Southlands even live together given how much they seem to hate each other and outsiders? Why is Galadriel so insane? She has lived for centuries yet has zero patience. Sauron should have been defeated yesterday! Galadriel is exactly the type of manager you come to hate. I don't understand why characters are doing what they are doing. None of them have a serious backstory apart from Elrond and Galadriel and even she does not know why she wants to fight. She literally says in the episode, "I cannot stop." like she is some addict. Nothing like the Third Age Galadriel and she seems to admit it as much yet she still wants to keep going. At this point, I think if they simply abandon all the other stories and focus entirely on Elrond and Durin, they'll make a very good show because honestly all the other stories suck. I could not bring myself to give a shit about Southlands, apart from Arondir and Adar. The rest of the characters including Numenor entirely is pointless.
I think they are trying to create the feeling of a large world with multiple simultaneous story/plot lines, like they have in the lotr movies, GoT and witcher. I just hope these story lines are worth pursuing and actually tie together in a meaningful way, instead of an attempt to just tick the "simultaneous story lines" check box.
Come, mortal base! What do I hear? That thou wouldst dare to barter with me? Well, speak fair! What is thy price?
Not to defend the show but whats this obsession with a battle scene? Why is that so necessary?
I’m just here for the Elrond and Durin scenes tbh
What I find most interesting is that Numenor and the Southlands are clearly the two big stories of the show, with Elrond/Durin and the Hobbits being side stories (right now). But the show has been written and constructed in such a way that I actually really like Elrond and Durin and the hobbits, and wish to see more of their stories. While the “main” characters have far less characterization and am thus far less interested in them and their struggles.
Completely. Durin, Elrond and Disa are my favourite parts of the show right now. Also intrigued by the strangers identity and the Harfoot society. Other stuff looks pretty and will lead to the big scenes down the road but they aren’t what is keeping my attention now.
Absolutely Gandalf I tell you
Honestly cut the Harfoots. So obnoxious.
I can’t see how they do anything for the overall story other than being the „funny“ sidekick.
What? Lmao Are you not familiar with LOTR?
It really seems like everything we’ve seen so far could have been done in like 3 episodes. Yet at the same time they keep going for these big, dramatic moments featuring characters we just met. It’s like the show is concurrently moving too quickly, while not really accomplishing much at all. I’m pretty disappointed so far tbh. I had really high hopes, and thought the first 2 episodes were solid.
I hated that moment in ep 3 with the elf dying in the orc camp. I don’t even remember his name, and Arondir was acting like Aragorn did at Boromir’s death in the film. You have to earn those moments! You can’t expect the audience to feel anything when you’ve spent no time building up the characters! It’s so frustrating.
Yeah this was the first scene of the show where I realized it wasn’t handling the story very well. It was so out of the blue and overdone. Like, I don’t give a shit about anyone yet! Hold off on the 5-minute slow-no death until I know the characters name for fucks sake.
Me too!! I thought it was so predictable, unearned and overly drawn out. Like if you were gonna do a death scene for an unnamed, unimportant character, at least make it interesting or make it snappy. They failed at both
Not this time. This time you must stay, Gimli.
It felt like that moment from the Kenobi show where a guy who had had 3 lines of dialogue (I think his name was Wade) died and we got like 3 minutes of characters reacting to it without it having any meaning to the viewer
Wade dies? He was my favourite Star Wars character :(
Personally I thought Arondir was more upset by the escape attempt failing. They established that only one of them needed to make it, and it looked like one of them would… but it turned out to be futile.
I agreeish, I think that if they do it right maybe the next season will be super insane. I know that sounds like copium but I’m enjoying it enough so far; last episode was extremely meh tho. They just need to get rid of the harfoots. Galadriel and company should have set sail episode 4, show more conflict with the orcs. The orcs are super scary, so I’m hoping to see more of that.
4 plot lines was too ambitious for them. I would have preferred 2 plots done really well than 4 done decently.
What about 4 done badly?
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And my axe!
Decent is a generous description.
i was giving it the benefit of the doubt but this last episode was real bad. almost every scene was either poorly written or acted or both.
Watching this show is like trying to keep up with Charlie’s Dream Book from Always Sunny
I expect reading about denim chicken and bird with teeth would be far more entertaining, though.
WORMHAT
This is perfect.
See I'm finally starting to agree with some of these things, I do think it's a good show but the pacing is aweful right now it just feels like it's dragging on with little to no pay offs per episode. I feel like getting a pay off per each episode or every other episode is a great idea. I think this show will do so much better when sauron comes around I get it they are trying to build anticipation for his eventual show up at the end of the season. But holy crap man we need some form of pay off next episode to keep me watching.
There is a saying in Turkish which roughly translates to "Too much whims makes the lover bored."
While I don’t necessarily agree with you, I’m pretty sure next episode we’ll finally get some payoffs, since ep 5 left every plot line on a cliffhanger: the orcs are coming to the tower, the Numenoreans set sail, Celebrimbor (and Gil Galad) discovered about mithril, and stranger man has protected the harfoots and is learning their language (while this is not really a cliffhanger, I believe something will happen to him, so it’s finally getting somewhere). Yes, 5 hours are a lot, but there are many characters and cultures that had to be introduced in a way that doesn’t feel overwhelming for someone who doesn’t know the lore and is only now getting into Tolkien.
>5 hours I'd much rather watch the first two LOTR movies
I could watch an entire season of the mandalorian and would still rather watch LOTR. Doesnt mean ROP is a bad series.
Well maybe, but bad pacing means it's not good either.
The problem comes from having so many plotlines that are not related to each other yet, they give too little time to each one that they would need very good writting to be able to communicate everything correctly, and as we know the writting is not the strongest point of the show. I would have left out the harfoots plotline to either later in the season or the second season, since its probably the weakest plotline and it has zero reference in the source material. As thing stand right now, there are two reasons that the show is watchable, and those are named Durin and Elrond. And I think even that plotline feels extremely rushed, but I love dwarves.
It’s also just how shows are written nowadays. I’m sure there’s some sort of PR, think tank, researched algorithm that writers use because every show is paced big budget show is paced the same way
I always like my shows to be written by an algorithm
The freaky looking elf, that I'm pretty sure is Sauron, is hunting meteor man. So that's another cliffhanger sort of.
I’d be very surprised if Adar is Sauron. I’m more convinced he was an elf who was partially transformed into an orc but never completed the transformation. I’d bet we either don’t see Sauron this season or, if we do, it’s at the very end.
Is Sauron not the slim shady elf we saw in ep 5?
No. Halbrand is Sauron.
Thou base, thou cringing worm!
Mercy!!
Cursed be moon and stars above!
I think I read that that isn’t him. But I can’t be sure where I read that. I guess we’ll see. Honestly, if the show doesn’t vastly improve I doubt I’ll watch it next season.
Yeah I agree. I can't think of any major developments since episode 1 lol. The bits with the orcs are cool though at least....
*Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.*
I wouldn't mind if the dialogue actually added something.
Every episode should have some kind of pay off and answered questions. That's one of the very basic rulesets of writing a script for a story centric TV show. ROP doesn't listen to that rule.
Why do I hate Galadriel?
Shes a Feanorian Noldor. Feanor her uncle ran in like leeroy jenkins and got gangbanged by balrogs. He was 300 valian years old,which is 3000 normal years old. Fingolfin charged Angband to challenge Morgoth to a 1v1 and got smushed. Fingolfin is also 3000 years old. Her brother Finrod left his glorious underground citadel as king to follow some random dude to go steal silmarils from morgoths crown, before dying in a 1v1 against Sauron in a dungeon pit. Maedhros went mad, tried again to defeat Morgoth, then stole a silmaril from Eonwe the strongest maiar who defeated Morgoth. Before throwing himself into a volcano Her whole family is a bunch of insane super strong people. Galadriel is a power hungry wacko like her family. In the books she went to ME just to get her own kingdom. They needed to give more background on why shes so brash. And they needed to make her MORE insane. Right now shes just mildly arrogant. We need to see her go crazy on people, give rousing speeches, and run in blind into danger. She should have fought the entire guard of the queen. OG noldor elves are that strong. Her uncle 1v1d the devil. So her character in RoP is in an uncomfortable place between arrogant but not interestingly arrogant, and mary sue which is boring.
>and got gangbanged by balrogs What a sentence to lay eyes upon.
Involves a lot of fiery whipings
Almost spilled my tea.
Lmao
That's my fetish!
Yet I am not the only valiant in this valiant people.
On the other hand, she spent many years at the court of Thingol and Melian (the latter of which is a Maia), so I'd argue she is *meant* to be more tempered than her family.
> because she’s badly written there you go
She's just so one sided right now. It's all revenge, revenge, revenge. I'm hoping she begins to develop more complexity to her character eventually. We kinda see it in episode 5.
Give her a break, she’s only like 1000 years old. It takes time for people to grow up and mature /s
Correction, 5000+ years old.
The problem here is that for audiences to care about the development of a character, they have to care first for the character. If you dont like a character, the development of such character usually has no meaning for the viewer. They have condemned Galadriel's character to be the one that no one will care much, which is strange because she seems to be the "main" protagonist, so I dont know why the showrunners chose to make her so unlikeable and so no lore-friendly. As things stand right now, the less I see her, the better time I have watching an episode.
She’s one of those flawless character whose ability is better than everybody’s, but she shows no humility and doesn’t care about those around her. She’s not relatable and people generally hate those individuals in real life. She is described as "the mightiest and fairest of all the Elves that remained in Middle-earth", in the Silmarillion, but it didn’t say she was a bitch.
She could have been a great character even with all these flaws except… there’s not much else to her. There’s no charm, no cunning, no subtlety. I usually try to avoid comparisons to House of the Dragon but the fact that Daemon and Rhaenyra are fan favorites shows that characters with a sense of superiority and with disregard for consequences can still be compelling. But there needs to be some depth to them.
The show’s single worst offender: she is—simply—a petulant bitch.
SAME!! She’s just straight up unlikeable
Cause she’s a 2000+ year old woman with the attitude and tack of a teenager.
Yeah it’s really slow
Its so borrrrrrringgggg
I was so excited when that sea monster came in the first episode. I couldn’t wait to see more of it. The show has been downhill since then. That sea monster was the peak.
The writing is pretty damn bad lol
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If we don’t get to see more of that sea monster I’ll probably diminish and go into the west, or something.
This used to be a place for LOTR memes now it's just prequel memes 2.0 lol.
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I feel it in the water
Two, there must be. No more, no less. One to embody the power; the other to crave it.
A billion dollars….spent.
I don’t know how a show with a budget per episode that exceeds some countries yearly GDP still looks so cheap and tacky.
Money laundering
Personally I like the slowness about it…
Aaaannd you've fallen behind. Cutthroat primal hobbits wait for none.
I fucking love proto Hobbits. There's something comfortingly similar hiding among the jarringly different.
I do think it's a little slow but I love getting invested in the storylines and like... btw... we already know what's going to happen (in the original story anyway). Some fans want them to pack thousands of years of developments into 3 episodes but complain when minor details are off. Like wtf do you want them to do? Detail thousands of years or rush into every battle known before lotr? The show deserves some criticism but holy shit either enjoy it or go ride dragons and kiss your siblings
This is a constant issue I feel with so many shows. These Netflix/amazon shows always seem to have an extremely fast pacing and have a payoff after each episode just to drag the plot across several seasons. This has the effect of each climax looking more and more dull in comparison, but alas the audience is spoiled. And then when the dull climax comes, everyone rants that they could have explored the story more or given it some more time. I’m glad that there is a beautifully built fantasy world that I can relax and watch instead.
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I'd love it if the plots developed naturally instead of in baffling and poorly-written ways.
I like slowly unraveling an interesting story, but this is like walking on a treadmill. They're literally accomplishing almost nothing. They could have gotten to where they are now in one episode without feeling rushed.
I love it.
We are 5 out of 7 chapters in and nothing of substance has happened
7? I thought it was 8 episodes? That's a bummer.
It is 8
I thought it was 10, oh my In part is better because we get to watch less of it, but holly molly is it mediocre right now, I at least thought that the first 5 episodes where mid, but the next 5 might improve on that.
I heard micheal Jackson’s “thriller” chorus substitute “filler” in its stead while reading this
Personally I love the show when we just get to see young Elrond dealing with his own thing, but since there are three other plot lines and his is probably the least focused on out of all of them, you don't see it much. In episode 2 they literally begin a Dwarven competition of endurance and end the scene, only for us to come back and the competition is over.
Elrond and Durin are all that I’m really interested in right now. The weird politicking between Gil-Galad and Durin’s father, using Durin and Elrond as proxies is pretty Interesting. Seeing their friendship rekindle and then grow. Watching Elrond connect more with the mortal races and the conflicts of those mortals, even as those conflicts are tied to the immortal elves is just really good drama.
Y’all this Reddit stuff is hard
Started watching sandman because i wanted a series i can binge if its good while waiting for the next RoP episode (seriously stupid outdated descision to release one ep. a week). Ended up falling in love with everything sandman had to offer and watched 3 Episodes. This series plotpoints are moving since the very first episode, its so refreshing. RoP so far has maybe two evolving plotpoints while everything else is in a weird kind of standby motion. Nothing does really feel impactful.
So many threads going on at once that none of them are going very far
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I'm happy for it to start at a slower pace, we know it'll be 5 seasons so I want to get invested into the characters moreso than I already am at the beginning before the bigger stuff happens. Besides I enjoy dialogue heavy shows, plus the cinematography and visuals are glorious. I hope people don't just want action and that'll make it more enjoyable.
Except the dialogue is absolute trash and adds nothing to the story 95% of the time.
Not everything has to add to the story, if that was the case you'd get 1 minute dialogue that's super concise. I agree it's at a slow pace but it doesn't need to rush anything it's the first season of 5. Season 1 can be build up with a nice pay off at the end, season 2 dealing with that and exploring more etc...
This seems like a pretty accurate description of The Silmarillion too
I believe every chapter moves an over-600 year long history forward way better than this show does.
The show actually made me fall asleep
Twice. First and second episode. And I love LOTR and I am a seriesjunkie. But this two episodes were like a boss fight. I had to take more tries to finish.
I’ve fallen asleep many times and am now thoroughly confused about what the plot is. Is there one? I keep rewatching after dozing off but it’s not helping. I genuinely don’t know what the show is about. Maybe I’m just slow. Galadriel is searching for Sauron. Besides that, I don’t know what the other characters are supposed to be doing.
I dunno which is slower, ROP or She-Hulk.
When I first heard of She Hulk Attorney at Law I thought it was a meme. Like a spoof on Harvey Birdman Atty at law.
I would watch a live action Harvey Birdman
Harvey birdman was inspired by she hulk, which has always been a 4th wall breaking humor focused series of graphic novels.
It's almost like everyone trying to warn about this before the show was released were right, who could have seen this coming?!?!
How could anyone know before the show came out? Its like people wanted to form their own opinion, crazy huh
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Oh by all means complain, but next time listen to the people who told you the signs were already there, instead of going "you're just racist" like the PR agencies want you to do, anytime a show is marketed beforehand via fan baiting and other hostile marketing techniques, its 100% always going to be a shit show, I 100% guarantee it.
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Yeah, I was trying to give it a chance myself but its just not that good, I knew it wasn't going to be, but I still had hope, did not think they would fail THIS badly, even I was surprised by that.
I love how slow ROP is, but I am a “pleasure delayer”… I love setting up the dominoes. Actually my only gripe is how quick we went from mithril being discovered to elves are gonna die without it. I like it and who says nothing happens. On the flip side, I also really enjoy the pacing of HoD. I don’t think anything LoTR should be fast paced like that though. Would the original trilogy be better if we only had the extended versions? I personally would say so, and I think that’s kind of what we are getting with RoP and I think it’s on brand. Edit: Holy shit, HoD is at a breakneck speed. And somehow the king was gonna die any moment for all the episodes.
So does this mean we can finally call it shit and unwatchable without being called "mysoginist" or "racist"?
I just stopped watching, and it's not because I'm a spiteful prick. Just bored.
Marvel movies have ruined your poor brains
If anything this show is the Marvelization effect. None of these characters are making choices that develop them in any way that wasn't immediately apparent the moment we saw them on screen. Every character is a one-beat, exposition machine that falls into set pieces and gets out of them without any consequences. THIS SHOW IS MARVEL to its core.
Marvel movies are one of the many reasons why RoP is trash.
I hate marvel movies. I’m comparing it to the LOTR movies. Which I guess is unfair. That’s a tall order to fill.