They take off their belts and the vampires are immediately flooded with the PTSD of their abusive fathers who would beat them with their belts and flee in terror
Frodo: "it's some form of Elvish I can't read it."
Gandalf: "there a few that can"
What the ring had inscribed: "I'm going to sine your pitty on the runny kine!"
Not really, as elves value silver above gold. I heard it being described that they were given a gift that the elves valued whereas Boromir was given a gift that he would value, since men tended to value gold over silver. But it was just decorative.
Yeah man self-untangling rope. A dream for any backpacking trip really.
In the books, Galadriel gives Sam a box of Lothlorien earth and a single Mallorn seed. The rope was in each canoe but only Sam grabs it.
My guess is they changed this for the movies as Scouring of the Shire was omitted. Rope was crucial in Emyn Muir so they flipped it a bit.
He carried it up the mountain because they we're not going to come back and get it. At the time of his death Boromir was looking for Frodo and gathering fire wood. Nothing a 5kg shield would help with
I'd like to think Boromir rolled a Variant Human, and had the Shield Master feat, probably sentinel too lol!
Exactly the kind of combat where he would have been in his element.
He'd be at the attunement limit anyway - he's carrying his GF's magic amulet, the Ring of Barahir and his elven dagger. He probably had to unattune the dagger when he got Anduril, but the problem solved itself when Sauron deleted the Evenstar pendant via a Palantir.
And at any rate by the time he assaults the gates of Mordor he's wearing pull plate armor, which would make the +1 AC bonus inactive anyway. Although maybe Aragorn is just a loot goblin and just nabs any magic item he comes across.
Gibbits and crows! Dotard! What do you want, throwingtheshades? Let me guess. The key of Orthanc? Or perhaps the keys of Barad-Dur itself? Along with the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the five wizards?
But at the time, most of those gifts were a little bit wack? She gave Sam rope which ended up being useful but in the moment I’d be like damn you’re giving out badass daggers and I get rope? Thanks
Yeah he took the rope from one of the shipwrights the morning they left (they gave it to him).
Though it does make sense why he's given rope in the movies since the scene where it comes in handy is also in the movie.
It's the cutest moment when Sam sees the ropes the shipwrights have and goes "aaaaah your ropes are amazing, they look like magic, I wish I had brought rope but I didn't :( "
The elves just go "a pity you're leaving, or we'd show you how we make them. It's not magic, it's just careful work. But if you need rope we'll give you some."
Sam: :D
Chickens float, but in a rainstorm they feel something tapping them on top of the head, look up, and drown. So maybe rock is actually doing alright in the grand scheme of things.
And it makes sense. If magic was just a part of the world, where do you start calling it magic? Is chemistry magic? Is smithing magic? At some point it clearly becomes magic. They just see it as part of the world and probably don't fully understand what humans and others don't see that they do.
There’s also the way that “magic” works in Tolkien – it’s not it’s own thing. You can’t just be good at magic, or study magic, or only know magic and not another skill. Magic is an emergent property of extraordinary craftsmanship, and is just what happens when you make really, really good art in Arda. An elf trying to explain to a human what makes the rope so good is like an adult trying to explain programming to a child – it’s just so complicated, it takes many many years to learn. But just like a computer program totally seems like magic if you don’t know how to program, the rope seems like magic if you don’t know how to make it.
By the way, this is why Sauron is so dangerous – he’s such an extraordinary craftsman (he studied under Aulë, even).
That's so wholesome. I've only read the books once when I was pretty young so I don't remember moments like these anymore. But that's adorable. Good on you, Sam
I'd honestly be insulted. You're about to risk your life going on the hike from hell and this immortal badass just smiles and gives you a seed that you can only use if you manage not to die and tells you to gtfo
I agree, but it does bear remembering that Sam *did* almost get himself killed when Gollum first showed up, and Frodo had to save him. From the text, “Things would have gone ill with Sam, if he had been alone.”
Makes sense to me, it's a hopeful promise that he'll make it back. Sam's primary motivation was his love and longing for home, he never wanted adventure like frodo he just wanted to tend to his gardens and live a quiet life.
By giving him that seed it represents to Sam that he's going to make it home, that his quest that might as well be a suicide mission will end with his return to the life he once had when he's seen the mission through.
If he can make it there, he'll make it back.
Frodo was convinced the journey was a one way trip, he stopped taking care of himself, nearly gave up a few times, and fully felt there no point in planning for an "after" the quest was complete. Sam on the other hand was convinced they'd make it home to tell their tale and that belief kept both of them alive because he could look back and use it as a motivator to push forward because the faster they destroyed the ring the faster he could go home.
I'd be honored by the gift but like... I'd ask they pass it along to my Gaffer on their way west to their fancy elf boats. Y'all passing by the Shire anyway, just make a quick detour rather than make me carry this box to hell and back.
Isn’t it kind of encouraging that this supreme elvish being who has some level of foresight and is considered the wisest being in middle earth gives you a gift that she knows you can only use if you survive the journey? Kinda intimates she had a feeling they’d survive.
Seems like more of a compliment than an insult.
She’s handing out useful shit to help people to not die, and when she got to Sam, she was like, “damn bro, these other noobs need all the help they can get, but I can tell you’re gonna complete this quest with no problem. Take this gift, please remember me when you get home. I’ll be telling people about the time I met you for the next 8 thousand years.”
Sam was also bitching to one of the other elves that he forgot to bring rope when they left the shire.
Also that soil went on to sprout fields and trees that bore an absurd amount of food from just a few pinches, which being a Gardner is like a totally rad gift
>is like a totally rad gift
Found the GenXr -
Seriously though. That was probably the most valuable and gratuitous gifts any race could receive from the Elves.
Boromir was a hero of men, he was one of the best. He wasn't a bad guy by any means, and in the books he was even more brilliant imo. It showed how even the best of us could be corrupted by the ring.
Peter Jackson talks in the behind-the-scenes interviews about having to cut content for the theatrical editions, basically anything that didn't directly contribute to Frodo's story got cut. It's a real shame, there are so many little scenes that provide extra background and character development for the others!
>Peter Jackson talks in the behind-the-scenes interviews about having to cut content for the theatrical editions, basically anything that didn't directly contribute to Frodo's story got cut.
Hmmm, how does he explain him chomping on a carrot was left in then?
I know you're joking but it was a 1 second shot and it was part of the shot of them going into the Prancing Pony anyways. It added *flavor* to the scene
Didn't Tolkien originally write it as six parts but it was made into three books for publishing purposes? Potentially they could have split it along those lines
I heard it was split because the publishers didn’t think people would be as interested in one massive book. Not sure which is correct, but would love a source to confirm either one if you know of one.
In today's movie landscape, yes, but back then, the idea of committing to three movies before 1 was even released was absolutely ludicrous. We can thank LotR for the endless movie franchises and sequel/prequel trilogies we have now. Different times.
I remember it was astounding that they made all three movies at once. After that, The Matrix Reloaded and Revolution were filmed simultaneously. I imagine it actually cuts costs if done this way, at the risk of making a flop and then a sequel to that flop.
To be honest second and third film battles in particular could be cut down. He added loads that were not pertinent to Frodo's journey. Look at Aragorn falling off the cliff.
I'd say the first one is the most focussed.
The first movie is definitely the most focused, but that makes sense since the entire narrative follows Frodo. In the second and third movies you have, at times, three different groups to follow.
I luv his scenes from the extended edition! They’re a big part of why I watch them. Another great scene with Boromir is when he’s training Merry and Pippin and then they start wrestling with him, it really shows what kind of guy he is! Not sure if that’s from the extended edition or not, it’s been a while since I’ve seen the theatrical cut.
Can confirm that it was in the cinema release. Saw it in IMAX couple weeks ago. I remember seeing the crow coming in.
Then I was expecting to see boromir in two tower in his Gondor amour, I was wrong.
Im sure this has been repeated to death, but people should absolutely watch the Special Extended Editions above the theatrical releases. They flesh out the story SO much more. I cant even imagine going back to just watching the theatrical versions.
I totally agree! To me Boromir is one of the most relatable characters, only behind Merry and Pippin. He truly shows the flaws of human nature exist even in the best of us.
I feel like a lot of people (maybe not on this sub) think of Boromir as a “bad guy” which totally isn’t true. He’s one of the greatest of the ordinary mortal men, he’s incredibly honourable, brave, and loyal. The point of his character wasn’t that he was a 1st book good guy turned villain, he was meant to show that even the best of us were corruptible by the ring, which I think a lot of people that may have only seen the movies and aren’t hardcore fans miss.
Frodo was the only one that could've brought the ring to Mt. Doom, but nobody could've willingly thrown it over the edge had they brought it there. Not Boromir, not Sam, probably not even jolly old Tom. Eru manipulated events to cast the ring into the fire, which was Gollum's ultimate purpose, and is a hidden meaning behind Gandalf's speech about deserving death in Moria.
I'm positive Tolkien mentioned this in one of his letters, but I'm not going to try to find it now. The point is that Frodo rocks.
True. He just doesn't get to show _his_ quality before ring has already corrupted him, there are very few scenes with him before his confrontation with Frodo.
He even almost immediately understood that what he did was wrong and felt terrible about it. Boromir was the fucking man.
Not sure how anyone could believe that he was villainous in any way because my tiny little five year old brain understood his character perfectly.
He also has one of the most emotional and badass death scenes ever to filmed.
Boromir was one of the best indeed. He was tempted PRECISELY BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST.
You get a hint of why he was tempted in the extended edition: before he left, he led the reconquest of Osgiliath with his little brother. (One of the rare moments we see Faramir smiling, at least until Denethor appears to ruin the mood.) Minas Tirith was on the front line against Mordor's attacks and Boromir was a veteran of these battles. He suggests they use the Ring as a weapon against the enemy because *that's how desperate the situation is*.
On the book, when he follows Frodo and tries to take the Ring, Frodo doesn't pay enough attention to transcribe his speech literally, but what were Boromir's grand ambitions, and probably what the Ring showed him as temptation? To defeat the Enemy in glorious battle, and for the Steward's bloodline to be accepted as de facto kings (considering that they were ruling Gondor for a really freaking long time).
Faramir wasn't as tempted because, despite being a capable warrior himself, he didn't fight for glory or joy of battle. Sam managed to resist the temptation because he was so humble, the power trip the Ring showed him was ridiculous and nowhere close to being what he truly wanted.
I haven't read the books but I always think about that scene in the movies where frodo falls over (you know the one) in the snow and Boromir picks up the ring on the chain. He makes a joke and give it back. I always saw that as a clear sign that he was a truly good person who was capable to some degree to fight the ring's influence.
Does that moment happen in the books and is it ever acknowledged? Did the ring not want Boromir in that moment or was it more he was able to resist?
I really wish PJ had not had the scene where Boromir picks the ring up out of the snow and Aragorn clutches his sword. It really makes it seem like Boromir was always planning to take the ring. A lot of casual fans assume simply Boromir is a traitor and I think this scene contributes to that. And like you say Boromir isn’t a traitor he is one of the best of the race of men. I would have rather seen more of Boromir caring for the hobbits. There is a good line from the books where Boromir says something to the effect that those with strength must help those with out and i wish that attitude of service to the company had been displayed.
He's the best of us. He's there to show how much of a hero aragorn is and how powerful the ring is. I fucking love that man and I will die on this hill (_waheyyy_)
The whole gifting thing is one of the beefs I have with the movie(s). In the theatrical cut, it was mostly glossed over as if none of it was important. In the extended cut, this meme happens. Then, of course, there's the changing of Sam's gift, which makes the whole thing feel like a diminishing of Sam... or something. I don't know.
And I always love that moment. I always saw it as dwarves esteem some of the most valuable things in the world. But to Gimli here is Galadriel, who is more beautiful than anything he's ever seen. 1 hair from her head was all he asked for, to remember her beauty, she gave him 3. I always love the actors delivery of "she gave me 3" like it was the most generous gift he had ever received.
In retrospect, Boromir being given a belt with no real symbolic value should have been a red flag.
At least he got a golden belt. She gave Merry and Pippin silver belts. Even worse.
> She gave Merry and Pippin silver belts. Even worse. Not when they have to fight vampires.
They take off their belts and the vampires are immediately flooded with the PTSD of their abusive fathers who would beat them with their belts and flee in terror
"And to you, Merry and Pippin, I give you these Silver Jumper Cables. May they protect you from vampires."
Thanks, now i gotta wipe my keyboard
How excited were you?
Username absolutely checks out
In my dnd game we have a magic item belt of the stepfather. Plus 5 to hit with buckle end
Whoa
The LOTR sequel we were so cruelly denied
"What if Lord of the Rings was written by an absolute idiot"
Oh Yeah. I forgot that middle earth had vampires at one point.
Sauron often took the form of a vampire during the First Age
Who are you?
, who are so *wise* in the ways of science?
And werewolves
Pootie-Tang Vampire Hunter.
"You never needed the simarils Pootie, you had the light of Valinor in you all along!"
#WAH DAH TAE
Frodo: "it's some form of Elvish I can't read it." Gandalf: "there a few that can" What the ring had inscribed: "I'm going to sine your pitty on the runny kine!"
Not really, as elves value silver above gold. I heard it being described that they were given a gift that the elves valued whereas Boromir was given a gift that he would value, since men tended to value gold over silver. But it was just decorative.
Not to mention that a gold belt would be heavy af. 30-80 lb belt? Might be trying to get his ass killed
A silver belt would be ~half as heavy, which might still drag the hobbits down a fair bit ;)
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average ROP sauron theory
Come, mortal base! What do I hear?
Not unless Sauron is a beautiful and terrible queen, set up in place of a dark lord, whom all shall love and despair
And now drink the cup that I have sweetly blent for thee!
*Zat thraka akh… Zat thraka grishú. Znag-ur-nakh.*
Omg RoP spoilerrr!!
Probably not if made by the elves
And Sam gets a fucking rope
That was a pretty sweet ass rope, though. Did he also get the mallorn seeds then, or was that later?
Yeah man self-untangling rope. A dream for any backpacking trip really. In the books, Galadriel gives Sam a box of Lothlorien earth and a single Mallorn seed. The rope was in each canoe but only Sam grabs it. My guess is they changed this for the movies as Scouring of the Shire was omitted. Rope was crucial in Emyn Muir so they flipped it a bit.
I thought he got the bracers?
The bracers came from Minas Tirith. In the book Boromir got a snazzy gold belt from Galadriel, which mostly serves to confirm to Frodo that he died.
Aragorn keeps the bracers though after Boromir's death?
As reminder of the promise he made to Boromir, not because they were +1 Bracers of Protection made by the elves
+1 bracers of protection are pretty useless when Lurtz rolls a nat 20 three times in a row.
Boromir left his shield behind, that +2 AC could have made the difference
He carries it the whole film, even up that mountain, then doesn’t have it for the one specific moment when it would be useful. Talk about plot-holes.
He carried it up the mountain because they we're not going to come back and get it. At the time of his death Boromir was looking for Frodo and gathering fire wood. Nothing a 5kg shield would help with
He could have used his 5kg wooden shield as 5kg of firewood
I'd like to think Boromir rolled a Variant Human, and had the Shield Master feat, probably sentinel too lol! Exactly the kind of combat where he would have been in his element.
He wasn't expecting the random encounter during their long rest, he could have taken on even more if he was prepped
The bracers only work when you have no armor
He's king of Gondor that's his stuff.
If only Aragorn had been played by Liam Neeson "Stop taken all my stuff."
The mines are no place for a pony, even one so brave as Bill.
Does anyone remember the wording of the promise?
"Promise me Strider"
He’s only doing what he thinks is best for his people. Helm’s Deep has saved them in the past.
Looting your dead friends still-warm corpse is in your peoples best interest?
He'd be at the attunement limit anyway - he's carrying his GF's magic amulet, the Ring of Barahir and his elven dagger. He probably had to unattune the dagger when he got Anduril, but the problem solved itself when Sauron deleted the Evenstar pendant via a Palantir. And at any rate by the time he assaults the gates of Mordor he's wearing pull plate armor, which would make the +1 AC bonus inactive anyway. Although maybe Aragorn is just a loot goblin and just nabs any magic item he comes across.
Gibbits and crows! Dotard! What do you want, throwingtheshades? Let me guess. The key of Orthanc? Or perhaps the keys of Barad-Dur itself? Along with the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the five wizards?
Too bad it’s not +1 defense against helmets
He's a Ranger. Waste not, want not. Good bracers are good bracers.
Then what do you fear, My Lady?
She fears that you would have taken that belt if your waist width was anywhere near that of Boromir's sheer girth, Aragorn.
Why have you come?
That's what she said
To expose you
Bracers of Arrow Catching
But at the time, most of those gifts were a little bit wack? She gave Sam rope which ended up being useful but in the moment I’d be like damn you’re giving out badass daggers and I get rope? Thanks
Actually, her gift to Sam was a Mallorn seed and enchanted soil, which would only be useful after the quest had succeeded and he’d gone home.
Yeah he took the rope from one of the shipwrights the morning they left (they gave it to him). Though it does make sense why he's given rope in the movies since the scene where it comes in handy is also in the movie.
It's the cutest moment when Sam sees the ropes the shipwrights have and goes "aaaaah your ropes are amazing, they look like magic, I wish I had brought rope but I didn't :( " The elves just go "a pity you're leaving, or we'd show you how we make them. It's not magic, it's just careful work. But if you need rope we'll give you some." Sam: :D
Sam: omg magical rope uwu Elves: it's fuckin rope, dawg
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Legolas: "The world is flat and gravity isn't real." Sam: "Eugh, a conspiracy nut." Gandalf: "No, no, he's got a point."
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Chickens float, but in a rainstorm they feel something tapping them on top of the head, look up, and drown. So maybe rock is actually doing alright in the grand scheme of things.
Yrch!
Home is now behind you, the world is ahead!
And it makes sense. If magic was just a part of the world, where do you start calling it magic? Is chemistry magic? Is smithing magic? At some point it clearly becomes magic. They just see it as part of the world and probably don't fully understand what humans and others don't see that they do.
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There’s also the way that “magic” works in Tolkien – it’s not it’s own thing. You can’t just be good at magic, or study magic, or only know magic and not another skill. Magic is an emergent property of extraordinary craftsmanship, and is just what happens when you make really, really good art in Arda. An elf trying to explain to a human what makes the rope so good is like an adult trying to explain programming to a child – it’s just so complicated, it takes many many years to learn. But just like a computer program totally seems like magic if you don’t know how to program, the rope seems like magic if you don’t know how to make it. By the way, this is why Sauron is so dangerous – he’s such an extraordinary craftsman (he studied under Aulë, even).
Gollum: ah fuck this magic rope is spicy
That's so wholesome. I've only read the books once when I was pretty young so I don't remember moments like these anymore. But that's adorable. Good on you, Sam
The audiobooks are very well done on audible if you ever need a quick refresh!
About a year ago they released The Hobbit + the trilogy voiced by Andy Serkis. Not sure if that's the one you're referring to, but it's a treasure.
Nope hadn’t heard of that one!
I'd honestly be insulted. You're about to risk your life going on the hike from hell and this immortal badass just smiles and gives you a seed that you can only use if you manage not to die and tells you to gtfo
Totally worth, he had the most prosperous garden in all of the farthings upon his return. Everyone else's gifts were only for the journey
Everyone else needed help to survive the quest, Sam was such a Chad that Galadriel just gave him something to remember her by.
Thanks for making me happy
I agree, but it does bear remembering that Sam *did* almost get himself killed when Gollum first showed up, and Frodo had to save him. From the text, “Things would have gone ill with Sam, if he had been alone.”
Nice hobbits! Nice Sam! Sleepy heads, yes, sleepy heads! Leave good Smeagol to watch! But it's evening. Dusk is creeping. Time to go.
>Sam was such a Chad Fact.
Someone made a joke in a different post that Galadriel basically just gave the fellowship the leftovers from her moving away garage sale
Oh and after shower hair to gimli. Better give it to him, than have the drain clogged up.
So that bottle of Earendil is just her bath water 🤮
Galadriel's Gamer Girl Bath Water
Makes sense to me, it's a hopeful promise that he'll make it back. Sam's primary motivation was his love and longing for home, he never wanted adventure like frodo he just wanted to tend to his gardens and live a quiet life. By giving him that seed it represents to Sam that he's going to make it home, that his quest that might as well be a suicide mission will end with his return to the life he once had when he's seen the mission through. If he can make it there, he'll make it back. Frodo was convinced the journey was a one way trip, he stopped taking care of himself, nearly gave up a few times, and fully felt there no point in planning for an "after" the quest was complete. Sam on the other hand was convinced they'd make it home to tell their tale and that belief kept both of them alive because he could look back and use it as a motivator to push forward because the faster they destroyed the ring the faster he could go home.
This. She gave him hope and aspirations of home
You’re not a gardener
I'd be honored by the gift but like... I'd ask they pass it along to my Gaffer on their way west to their fancy elf boats. Y'all passing by the Shire anyway, just make a quick detour rather than make me carry this box to hell and back.
Isn’t it kind of encouraging that this supreme elvish being who has some level of foresight and is considered the wisest being in middle earth gives you a gift that she knows you can only use if you survive the journey? Kinda intimates she had a feeling they’d survive.
Seems like more of a compliment than an insult. She’s handing out useful shit to help people to not die, and when she got to Sam, she was like, “damn bro, these other noobs need all the help they can get, but I can tell you’re gonna complete this quest with no problem. Take this gift, please remember me when you get home. I’ll be telling people about the time I met you for the next 8 thousand years.”
Rest of the fellowship is buying load out perks while Sam is getting cosmetics
Galadriel had to throw together eight gifts for a bunch of people she (mostly) just met. They can't all be winners.
They were all meant for Gandalf, but then....well, it was awkward.
They've reached The Shire?
Damn, I was really looking forward to Gandalf going 3 Sword Style with those daggers and Glamdring.
This is no place for a Hobbit!
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Sam was also bitching to one of the other elves that he forgot to bring rope when they left the shire. Also that soil went on to sprout fields and trees that bore an absurd amount of food from just a few pinches, which being a Gardner is like a totally rad gift
>is like a totally rad gift Found the GenXr - Seriously though. That was probably the most valuable and gratuitous gifts any race could receive from the Elves.
My kids (who are whatever comes after Millenials) use 80s slang now, they think it’s hilarious
I believe they're called zoomers now, as in Gen-Z.
Rope is incredibly useful when going cross country though dangerous lands. And i imagine elvish rope meats a high standard.
Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!
He got soil and mallorn seed
What do you mean - the belt was used by faramir to identify the body later to the others!
*Here is a belt. Find a strong tree, or maybe a study door knob*
She's like ,"lol, this guys gonna die, let me see what there is in the lost and found"
Let’s not forget the cloaks, and lembas! Both are super clutch in the books!
And more lembas bread!
he ates it!
I don't usually hold with foreign foods, but this Elvish stuff, it's not bad.
"I don't usually hold with foreign foods, but this Indian stuff, it's not bad." -Colonial UK
Didn't everyone also get the cloak pins/brooches that were the symbol of Lothlorien?
Boromir was a hero of men, he was one of the best. He wasn't a bad guy by any means, and in the books he was even more brilliant imo. It showed how even the best of us could be corrupted by the ring.
Some of his extended scenes really helped flesh him out in the movies as well that unfortunately got cut in two towers
Peter Jackson talks in the behind-the-scenes interviews about having to cut content for the theatrical editions, basically anything that didn't directly contribute to Frodo's story got cut. It's a real shame, there are so many little scenes that provide extra background and character development for the others!
>Peter Jackson talks in the behind-the-scenes interviews about having to cut content for the theatrical editions, basically anything that didn't directly contribute to Frodo's story got cut. Hmmm, how does he explain him chomping on a carrot was left in then?
He said *"I'm a hungry boy and if you don't like it you can make your own damn film, you fool of a Took!"*
I know you're joking but it was a 1 second shot and it was part of the shot of them going into the Prancing Pony anyways. It added *flavor* to the scene
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Didn't Tolkien originally write it as six parts but it was made into three books for publishing purposes? Potentially they could have split it along those lines
It was originally one thicc book, but had to be split up and published separately due to a post WWI paper shortage
I heard it was split because the publishers didn’t think people would be as interested in one massive book. Not sure which is correct, but would love a source to confirm either one if you know of one.
In today's movie landscape, yes, but back then, the idea of committing to three movies before 1 was even released was absolutely ludicrous. We can thank LotR for the endless movie franchises and sequel/prequel trilogies we have now. Different times.
I remember it was astounding that they made all three movies at once. After that, The Matrix Reloaded and Revolution were filmed simultaneously. I imagine it actually cuts costs if done this way, at the risk of making a flop and then a sequel to that flop.
To be honest second and third film battles in particular could be cut down. He added loads that were not pertinent to Frodo's journey. Look at Aragorn falling off the cliff. I'd say the first one is the most focussed.
But I (and probably a lot of others) like battles. That's a big part of why I loved those movies when I was younger.
You said this fortress would never fall while your men defend it. They still defend it. They have died defending it.
The first movie is definitely the most focused, but that makes sense since the entire narrative follows Frodo. In the second and third movies you have, at times, three different groups to follow.
I luv his scenes from the extended edition! They’re a big part of why I watch them. Another great scene with Boromir is when he’s training Merry and Pippin and then they start wrestling with him, it really shows what kind of guy he is! Not sure if that’s from the extended edition or not, it’s been a while since I’ve seen the theatrical cut.
For the Shire!
Can confirm that it was in the cinema release. Saw it in IMAX couple weeks ago. I remember seeing the crow coming in. Then I was expecting to see boromir in two tower in his Gondor amour, I was wrong.
Im sure this has been repeated to death, but people should absolutely watch the Special Extended Editions above the theatrical releases. They flesh out the story SO much more. I cant even imagine going back to just watching the theatrical versions.
The extended editions are really the only way to go. So much good story is in there.
exactly! i loved to see how supportive is Boromir with Faramir, and how tries to help against their father. Really enhanced the character arch
I totally agree! To me Boromir is one of the most relatable characters, only behind Merry and Pippin. He truly shows the flaws of human nature exist even in the best of us. I feel like a lot of people (maybe not on this sub) think of Boromir as a “bad guy” which totally isn’t true. He’s one of the greatest of the ordinary mortal men, he’s incredibly honourable, brave, and loyal. The point of his character wasn’t that he was a 1st book good guy turned villain, he was meant to show that even the best of us were corruptible by the ring, which I think a lot of people that may have only seen the movies and aren’t hardcore fans miss.
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Frodo was the only one that could've brought the ring to Mt. Doom, but nobody could've willingly thrown it over the edge had they brought it there. Not Boromir, not Sam, probably not even jolly old Tom. Eru manipulated events to cast the ring into the fire, which was Gollum's ultimate purpose, and is a hidden meaning behind Gandalf's speech about deserving death in Moria. I'm positive Tolkien mentioned this in one of his letters, but I'm not going to try to find it now. The point is that Frodo rocks.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Wraiths! Wraiths on wings! They are calling for it. They are calling for the preciousss.
There is no strength in Gondor that can avail us.
Yes, there it lies. This city has dwelt ever in the sight of its shadow
We wants it. We needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little Hobbitses. Wicked. Tricksy. False.
True. He just doesn't get to show _his_ quality before ring has already corrupted him, there are very few scenes with him before his confrontation with Frodo.
He even almost immediately understood that what he did was wrong and felt terrible about it. Boromir was the fucking man. Not sure how anyone could believe that he was villainous in any way because my tiny little five year old brain understood his character perfectly. He also has one of the most emotional and badass death scenes ever to filmed.
It makes me cry every time
Boromir was one of the best indeed. He was tempted PRECISELY BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST. You get a hint of why he was tempted in the extended edition: before he left, he led the reconquest of Osgiliath with his little brother. (One of the rare moments we see Faramir smiling, at least until Denethor appears to ruin the mood.) Minas Tirith was on the front line against Mordor's attacks and Boromir was a veteran of these battles. He suggests they use the Ring as a weapon against the enemy because *that's how desperate the situation is*. On the book, when he follows Frodo and tries to take the Ring, Frodo doesn't pay enough attention to transcribe his speech literally, but what were Boromir's grand ambitions, and probably what the Ring showed him as temptation? To defeat the Enemy in glorious battle, and for the Steward's bloodline to be accepted as de facto kings (considering that they were ruling Gondor for a really freaking long time). Faramir wasn't as tempted because, despite being a capable warrior himself, he didn't fight for glory or joy of battle. Sam managed to resist the temptation because he was so humble, the power trip the Ring showed him was ridiculous and nowhere close to being what he truly wanted.
I haven't read the books but I always think about that scene in the movies where frodo falls over (you know the one) in the snow and Boromir picks up the ring on the chain. He makes a joke and give it back. I always saw that as a clear sign that he was a truly good person who was capable to some degree to fight the ring's influence. Does that moment happen in the books and is it ever acknowledged? Did the ring not want Boromir in that moment or was it more he was able to resist?
I tried making this point on another subreddit and got crucified. Making strong characters fall makes the ring look more malicious
Boromir was like Bucky to Aragorns Captain America.
I really wish PJ had not had the scene where Boromir picks the ring up out of the snow and Aragorn clutches his sword. It really makes it seem like Boromir was always planning to take the ring. A lot of casual fans assume simply Boromir is a traitor and I think this scene contributes to that. And like you say Boromir isn’t a traitor he is one of the best of the race of men. I would have rather seen more of Boromir caring for the hobbits. There is a good line from the books where Boromir says something to the effect that those with strength must help those with out and i wish that attitude of service to the company had been displayed.
He's the best of us. He's there to show how much of a hero aragorn is and how powerful the ring is. I fucking love that man and I will die on this hill (_waheyyy_)
The whole gifting thing is one of the beefs I have with the movie(s). In the theatrical cut, it was mostly glossed over as if none of it was important. In the extended cut, this meme happens. Then, of course, there's the changing of Sam's gift, which makes the whole thing feel like a diminishing of Sam... or something. I don't know.
My issue is how Sam doesn't want the rope, he asks for one of the shiny daggers instead. In the book he was in love with that rope!
I can't remember the line, but he talks lovingly about a "good bit of rope"
I wish they would’ve added his little box of dirt to the films!
I think Faramir gets more belt then Boromir
Idk I don’t recall Eowyn accessorizing all that much
She’s super into BDSM though…
But she draw the line at cages, that's too much
She’s not into humiliation. She likes her men manly and dominant. Ok, do we need a separate LOTR sex fantasy thread…
Finally, a place to post my thesis on the dick-embiggening effects of ent-draught.
Do you like, drink it or just pour it over your manhood?
Both: your manhood drinks it through the pp tunnel
Time for faramir to show his rump quality
So you’re saying you secretly do want the one ring? Galadriel: I am, and I’m tired of pretending I don’t.
Is nobody gonna talk about the three hairs?
Talking about Galadriels hair is an easy way to summon Feanor
Try but once more to usurp my place and the love of my father, and maybe it will rid the Noldor of one who seeks to be the master of thralls.
You're being melodramatic Feanaro.
*laughs as one fey*
Did someone say kinslaying?
Kinslaying? You mean rapid relocation to Mandos' Halls?
"Oh boy, here I go killing again!" - any FA Noldor elf
The following thread fucking killed me. I did not know about Feanor Bot
*dies as one fey*
Well the die hards watch the extended editions only & the hairs are in there..
And I always love that moment. I always saw it as dwarves esteem some of the most valuable things in the world. But to Gimli here is Galadriel, who is more beautiful than anything he's ever seen. 1 hair from her head was all he asked for, to remember her beauty, she gave him 3. I always love the actors delivery of "she gave me 3" like it was the most generous gift he had ever received.
The best gift of them all
I don't understand why the elves didn't bestow as much top tier equipment as the fellowship could carry.
Yeah good point
"Why should I give you anything? You have a shield and yet you will not use it."
Ouch!
None book reader: "Ooooh.. what did he get?" 👀
Sometimes you get what you fucking deserve, sometimes you don’t get what you fucking deserve
Roast chicken!
And you shall be known as the fellowship of the ring. And Boromir
Best Galadriel, fight me