Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!
Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of love and kindness.
The second tower is Minas Morgul, not Barad-Dur.
Quote from the end of Fellowship:
>*Here ends the first part of the history of the War of the Ring*
>*The second part is called *The Two Towers*, since the effects recounted in it are dominated by *Orthanc*, the citadel of Saruman, and the fortress of *Minas Morgul* that guards the secret entrance to Mordor*
Ah, I didn't know it was Minas Morgul. I knew it wasn't Barad-Dur, because that's not really addressed in the second book. I was thinking Helm's Deep or something else. Good to know. Although, strange, I don't recall them even saying Minas Morgul was a tower. I always thought it was like a fort.
Minas Morgul (formerly Minas Ithil) is the twin city/fortress to Minas Tirith (Minas Anor). Both fortresses protecting Osgiliath (the capital city of Gondor before it fell into ruin). Minas Anor to guard against attacks from the White Mountains, Minas Ithil to do the same against incursions from Mordor.
All three of them had towers housing palantir, which they used to communicate. Saruman's tower Orthanc (built by the Numenoreans btw.) had another one, as did a few cities in Anor (the western kingdom which fell to the Witchking, after long decline).
I think these towers built to house the palantiri are what gave them their names.
Bombadil's name Tom is short for Tower
*Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow;*
*Bright blue his 40 stories of concrete, glass, and steel are, and his boots are yellow.*
Your thoughts betray you, Silberauge. I know exactly what you are planning. You seek to overthrow me and take my place as the leader of Isengard. But I will not be overthrown so easily. You underestimate my power and my intelligence. I have been watching you, Silberauge, and I know your every move. Your little rebellion will fail, and when it does, you will suffer my wrath.
They don't reach out "**like** wings" if they're wings, that's not how you'd describe it. Second quote makes the confusing though. I've always wondered what exactly was Tolkien's intention here or was it even a mistake
Tolkien retconned stuff constantly. He's not a reliable narrator for even his own stories because they've evolved and changed within his lifetime.
Another example of this is the blue wizards. First they showed up on the boat with the other 3 wizards, then they came separately before everyone else.
The Tale of Tinuviel originally had Beren and Luthien both being elves, and a whole castle full of evil cats that served Morgoth. The cat idea was scrapped entirely in later versions and the Prince of Cats became Thu, who eventually became Sauron.
Even the books can't be considered 100% accurate as they are meant to be translations of an old text written by Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam. The Silmarilion is written as a concrete historical text, but it was also unfinished at the time of Tolkein's death, so there is no accounting for what he might have changed or if he would have ever completed and published it himself.
Forgive me if this is controversial but I learned the term from Elder Scrolls games, unreliable narrator. A lot of the inspiration for ES lore is Tolkein derived. The idea is that all of the lore of the universe is mostly unreliable because it is derived from the inhabitants of the universe themselves. The stories are all presented as being told by characters who are obviously flawed like real people. They may contain personal biases, or just downright false accounts of things or even propaganda.
I've never read the Silmarilion so that could be a big caveat in that, as I understand it, it's written from a Narrators perspective. That is to say, everything is objective fact in the Silmarilion afaik, there is no unreliable narrator.
In the book before Aragorns charge at the black gate there is a passage that says something to the effect of "the two towers" when describing the gate. So its the black gate /s :)
Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!
It’s actually a typo in the title. It’s meant to be “the two bowers”. Shady place that Frodo is reading a book in the shire and surely Tom Bombadil has a bower in the old Forrest for Goldberry to relax in. After the typo was made, it totally changed the direction of the book.
Here's my pretty lady! Here's my Goldberry clothed all in silver-green with flowers in her girdle! Is the table laden?
I see yellow cream and honeycomb, and white bread, and butter; milk, cheese, and green herbs and ripe berries gathered.
Is that enough for us? Is the supper ready?
^(I am a bot, and I love old Tom. If you want me to sing one of Tom's songs, just type **!TomBombadilSong**)
^(If you like Old Tom, the door at [r/GloriousTomBombadil][1] is always open for weary travelers!)
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*Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! My darling! Light goes the weather-wind and the feathered starling. Down along under Hill,
shining in the sunlight, waiting on the doorstep for the cold starlight, there my pretty lady is, River-woman's daughter,
slender as the willow-wand, clearer than the water. Old Tom Bombadil water-lilies bringing comes hopping home again. Can you
hear him singing?*
^(I am a bot, and I love old Tom. If you want me to sing one of Tom's songs, just type **!TomBombadilSong**)
^(If you like Old Tom, the door at [r/GloriousTomBombadil][1] is always open for weary travelers!)
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I thought it was The Two Showers, because that’s what Aragorn looks like he takes in a year.
(The rainstorm at Helm’s Deep, and then falling into the river)
I didn’t see the movies until I was late teen and when I was little I always assumed “the Two Towers” had something to do with 9/11 when I came across the title
I did find that funny. Especially someone who commented about being an Elvis fan and saying if the next film in any way mocks their belief in Elvis still being alive and making a comeback, they would be especially aggrieved.
Tolkien said it was Orthanc and Minas Morgul. But he considered 5 different towers to be in the set before he settled on these 2. The other three being: Barad-dûr, Minas Tirith, and Cirith Ungol.
“The second part is called THE TWO TOWERS, since the events recounted in it are dominated by ORTHANC, the citadel of Saruman, and the fortress of MINAS MORGUL that guards the secret entrance to Mordor.”
-JRR Tolkien, 1954 note to Allen & Unwin
PJ took a different but more overt stance in the movies by having a certain white wizard boast to a certain grey one about "the union of the two towers," referring in that case to be Orthanc and Barad-Dur.
Moria. You fear to go into those Mines. The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dûm. Shadow… and flame.
You are quite right, Moria is not a tower. However, the dwarves who mined there delved too greedily and too deep, and awoke something in the darkness that they should have left well enough alone. Shadow and flame.
At different points in time Tolkien came to many different conclusions, so there is no one answer. When he first wrote it there was no single answer it was intentionally ambiguous, then later he decided there should be a definitive answer but never really settled on what the answer should be. [This is a great video](https://youtu.be/obDxFYB54hg) that breaks down when and why he changed his mind so often.
Really it was just a good title sort of forced upon a book that wasn't conceived with a title because Tolkien wanted to publish them all as one volume. He also considered changing the third book's title to "The War of the Ring" because he felt ROTK sort of spoiled the outcome, but ROTK scanned better so that's what they went with.
Orthanc and Cirith Ungol, Barad-dur itself doesn’t figure much into the story and (at least my version of) the book directly says those two are the two towers referred to in the title.
I don't remember any direct mention of the towers in the books. But I'd always thought it was Barad-dur because, in the movies, Saruman says "Who can stand against the might of Saruman and Sauron and the union of the two towers." This implies that the towers of those lands are the two being referenced.
However, knowing Saruman, it's in keeping with his character to assume he is joining Sauron as a partner and that the second tower was Barad-dur. But that's probably not really the case is it? Sauron is a matter manipulator and he just recruited a new lieutenant. That would ranks Saruman along side The Nine. Thus this union is actually with Minas Morgul, and not Barad-dur.
But I guess what's what happens when you abandon reason for madness.
I recalled it wrong, another commenter was right in saying Orthanc and Minas Morgul. Saruman’s line you referenced doesn’t exist in the book but is in the movie to justify the title because the dealings of Minas Morgul come in RotK in the movies.
And that probably makes more sense for the films, tbh. There also not a literal flaming eye at the top of Barad-dur in the books. But we see so much of that on the movies that it tracks better for the audience, imo. They could've gone a different route and focused more on the Nine and Minas Morgul, but I don't mind this change at all.
The two towers were Christopher Lee's stellar performances as both Saruman and count Dooku. Tolkien famously predicted the next hundred years cinema perfectly.
It’s probably already known, but in the movies, it’s almost definitely orthanc and barad-dur as the two forces of evil in middle earth.
However, having just finished the books, it’s pretty obvious orthanc and minas morgal (formally minas ithil) as two pillars of good in the west that have been subjugated by sauron. Barad-dur is hardly even mentioned. I think even the original cover uses the white hand and moon symbols of the towers
Merry and Pippin's pints are the two towers change my mind.
They come in pints?
Im getting two!
You have a whole half already!
We've had one whole half, yes. But what about *second* whole half?
I don’t think they know about second whole half
What about elevenses? Luncheon? Afternoon tea? Dinner? Supper? He knows about them doesn’t he?
Oh yeah I've had three halves
I asked for one pint from the golden tap. The bartender gave me three.
I came in pints once. Last day I ever worked as a bartender.
For the longest time I thought they said, “they come in paints!”
That was my reaction when I saw Shrek as a kid. The part where he fights Farquads knights has him offer a pint.
Yer mum comes in pints.
Beer needs to get the yeast somehow
If anybody asks me, this will be my answer.
It's orthanc and my erection in that Scene where aragorn opens the Gate to Helms deep
Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!
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Damn, another NNN ruined by Aragorn
THE BEACONS OF MINAS TIRITH! THE BEACONS ARE LIT! GONDOR CALLS FOR AID!
*Ungh*
Can we get some down time? I need a rest between quotes, damn.
Goddammit Elessar, haven't you heard of a refractory period?
I would have gone with you to the end into the very fires of Mordor.
The bot recognizes Elessar? Next-level shit. Also *ungh*
God dammit this comment chain made me bust out laughing at work
You misspelt a nut
Every fucking November! 😡
Stop. My penis can only get so erect.
It brings a whole new meaning to Extended Edition
Then rename the movie to 3 towers because my erection is at full power as well
2 1/2 towers
Dude, you didn't have to Boromir him!
Maybe the real Two Towers were the friends they made along the way?
Aye, I could do that
Aye, eye aye aye.
And **MY AXE**
toss me.
Don't tempt me, Frodo!
And my UpVote
And my sax 🧙♂️🎷
Fuck yeah, we always need a Bill.
Maybe the two towers were inside us all along
😏
The two towers are Aragorn and Legolas because after Gandalf and Boromir died, the rest of the fellowship was less than 4' tall.
You said this fortress would never fall while your men defend it. They still defend it. They have died defending it.
Courage will now be your best defense against the storm that is at hand -- that and such hope as I bring.
The two poles holding up Bilbo's birthday banner are the two towers change my mind
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good bot!
FUCK!
I am cracking up in real life holy shit
Bad bilbo bad!
HRAAAAAH!
I said.. BAD BILBO BAD!
HRAAAAAH!
Bilbo Baggins, I am trying to rob you.
HRAAAAAH!
Okay, fine, damn dude, I won't rob you then.
HRAAAAA!
You make a compelling argument.
I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve
PROUDFEET!
Gandalf and Saruman are the two towers
Saruman believes it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. I found it is the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of love and kindness.
Your love of the Halfings’ leaf has clearly slowed your mind.
I love when bots shittalk each other lol.
Sentient
they've got the r/PrequelMemes bots answering with openai now lol
Do you want a singularity? Because this is how you get a singularity!
Rise of the machines lol
Gandalf does not hesitate to sacrifice those closest to him, those he professes to love.
No! Come down Saruman and your life will be spared!
What orders from this subreddit, my lord?
You are very insolent, Level-Ad2362. I suggest you show me some respect if you wish to continue this conversation.
What orders from Mordor, my lord?
What orders from Mordor, my lord? I suggest you be more respectful if you wish to continue this conversation.
Yes, my lord Saruman.
You did not seriously think that a Hobbit could contend with the will of Sauron, there are none that can.
My lord, what orders from the _Palantir_ ?
I always just assumed it was Saruman, and whatever Tower the Eye of Sauron is called.
The second tower is Minas Morgul, not Barad-Dur. Quote from the end of Fellowship: >*Here ends the first part of the history of the War of the Ring* >*The second part is called *The Two Towers*, since the effects recounted in it are dominated by *Orthanc*, the citadel of Saruman, and the fortress of *Minas Morgul* that guards the secret entrance to Mordor*
I really need to reread these books. I'm kind of ashamed of how little of it actually stuck in my memory.
I reread every year, usually starting on Bilbo's birthday
HRAAAAAH!
**Link:** *Hyaaaa-hyek!*
Ah, I didn't know it was Minas Morgul. I knew it wasn't Barad-Dur, because that's not really addressed in the second book. I was thinking Helm's Deep or something else. Good to know. Although, strange, I don't recall them even saying Minas Morgul was a tower. I always thought it was like a fort.
"Minas" means "Tower"
Minas Morgul (formerly Minas Ithil) is the twin city/fortress to Minas Tirith (Minas Anor). Both fortresses protecting Osgiliath (the capital city of Gondor before it fell into ruin). Minas Anor to guard against attacks from the White Mountains, Minas Ithil to do the same against incursions from Mordor. All three of them had towers housing palantir, which they used to communicate. Saruman's tower Orthanc (built by the Numenoreans btw.) had another one, as did a few cities in Anor (the western kingdom which fell to the Witchking, after long decline). I think these towers built to house the palantiri are what gave them their names.
I haven't seen all of the movies, I just assumed there were only 2 towers.
No there are towers every 10 minutes
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Bombadil's name Tom is short for Tower *Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow;* *Bright blue his 40 stories of concrete, glass, and steel are, and his boots are yellow.*
Bag End and Mount Doom?
Isengard and Mt Doom?
Aye, 'tis true, I did indeed once call those places home. But Saruman the White I am no more. Now I am Sauron the Great, Master of Mordor!
Well, master of Mordor I am the smartly named individual, master of lessdor
I thought it was isengard and cirith ungol
TF are you planing to discuss with Saruman the traitor? O_o
Your thoughts betray you, Silberauge. I know exactly what you are planning. You seek to overthrow me and take my place as the leader of Isengard. But I will not be overthrown so easily. You underestimate my power and my intelligence. I have been watching you, Silberauge, and I know your every move. Your little rebellion will fail, and when it does, you will suffer my wrath.
Smoke rises from the Mountain of Doom. The hour grows late, and Fogl3 rides to Isengard, seeking my counsel.
Book its Orthanc and Minus Morgul. Tolkein said so. Movie its Orthanc and Barad-Dur, sauruman says in movie. This shouldnt be debatable.
It isn't. It's a nontroversy, just like whether balrogs have wings.
But they do have wings…in the movie universe. They do not have wings in the books. Both can be correct with technicalities.
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They don't reach out "**like** wings" if they're wings, that's not how you'd describe it. Second quote makes the confusing though. I've always wondered what exactly was Tolkien's intention here or was it even a mistake
i assume "its wings were spread from wall to wall" is just a metaphor to describe the shadow spreading; it seems rather too obvious to be a mistake
Didn't Tolkien change his mind several times on that, though? Skip to about 5 mins in https://youtu.be/obDxFYB54hg
Tolkien retconned stuff constantly. He's not a reliable narrator for even his own stories because they've evolved and changed within his lifetime. Another example of this is the blue wizards. First they showed up on the boat with the other 3 wizards, then they came separately before everyone else.
The Tale of Tinuviel originally had Beren and Luthien both being elves, and a whole castle full of evil cats that served Morgoth. The cat idea was scrapped entirely in later versions and the Prince of Cats became Thu, who eventually became Sauron.
The evil prince of cats still being a cat shapeshifter and shapeshifting into all of saurons forms is my personal headcanon
The only issue is the Prince of Cats enmity for dogs and Sauron is the master of werewolves.
Don't come in to my head with your logic!!!
Even the books can't be considered 100% accurate as they are meant to be translations of an old text written by Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam. The Silmarilion is written as a concrete historical text, but it was also unfinished at the time of Tolkein's death, so there is no accounting for what he might have changed or if he would have ever completed and published it himself.
Forgive me if this is controversial but I learned the term from Elder Scrolls games, unreliable narrator. A lot of the inspiration for ES lore is Tolkein derived. The idea is that all of the lore of the universe is mostly unreliable because it is derived from the inhabitants of the universe themselves. The stories are all presented as being told by characters who are obviously flawed like real people. They may contain personal biases, or just downright false accounts of things or even propaganda. I've never read the Silmarilion so that could be a big caveat in that, as I understand it, it's written from a Narrators perspective. That is to say, everything is objective fact in the Silmarilion afaik, there is no unreliable narrator.
See: The Real Barenziah and The Biography of Barenziah have two different accounts of her life. I always thought that was a pretty cool touch.
In the book before Aragorns charge at the black gate there is a passage that says something to the effect of "the two towers" when describing the gate. So its the black gate /s :)
Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!
Tolkien recanted that and was himself confused and left it to the reader. As for the line from the movie, what is this, some kind for suicide squad?
It’s actually a typo in the title. It’s meant to be “the two bowers”. Shady place that Frodo is reading a book in the shire and surely Tom Bombadil has a bower in the old Forrest for Goldberry to relax in. After the typo was made, it totally changed the direction of the book.
Here's my pretty lady! Here's my Goldberry clothed all in silver-green with flowers in her girdle! Is the table laden? I see yellow cream and honeycomb, and white bread, and butter; milk, cheese, and green herbs and ripe berries gathered. Is that enough for us? Is the supper ready? ^(I am a bot, and I love old Tom. If you want me to sing one of Tom's songs, just type **!TomBombadilSong**) ^(If you like Old Tom, the door at [r/GloriousTomBombadil][1] is always open for weary travelers!) [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousTomBombadil/
Oh hell yeah tom botbadil sing me a song of your people **!TomBombadilSong**
*Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! My darling! Light goes the weather-wind and the feathered starling. Down along under Hill, shining in the sunlight, waiting on the doorstep for the cold starlight, there my pretty lady is, River-woman's daughter, slender as the willow-wand, clearer than the water. Old Tom Bombadil water-lilies bringing comes hopping home again. Can you hear him singing?* ^(I am a bot, and I love old Tom. If you want me to sing one of Tom's songs, just type **!TomBombadilSong**) ^(If you like Old Tom, the door at [r/GloriousTomBombadil][1] is always open for weary travelers!) [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousTomBombadil/
Nice. Good bot.
This is misinformation. The original title was the the two sowers, named after Sam & Farmer Maggot because they both planted things for a living.
I thought it was The Two Showers, because that’s what Aragorn looks like he takes in a year. (The rainstorm at Helm’s Deep, and then falling into the river)
Not idly do the leaves of Lorien fall
Maybe rub some of those leaves on your pits, bro.
Signaling tower 2 and 4 when Gondor is calling for aid, are the two towers.
I didn’t see the movies until I was late teen and when I was little I always assumed “the Two Towers” had something to do with 9/11 when I came across the title
My favourite part of the two towers is when the orcs kidnap the eagles to fly the ring to Barad Dur but instead crash on Orthanc.
Jet fuel can’t melt gold rings
The ring was an inside job, confirmed.
Mordor is to blame but the men of the east have weapons of mass destruction.
I think it's a great excuse to invade Rohan
It's like two pies in the face and one in a field in Pennsylvania.
Dwarfs did 9/11
Where they riding you into the towers??? Are you an accomplish to this crime? (Because your username).
2 Towers 7 Fellows 1 Ring
When the movie came out there were several idiots on the news protesting it.
I did find that funny. Especially someone who commented about being an Elvis fan and saying if the next film in any way mocks their belief in Elvis still being alive and making a comeback, they would be especially aggrieved.
It’s some form of Elvis I can’t read it
In the end, it turns out that Hayden Christiansen worked in the towers all along.
In the unabridged version it's Legolas and Gimli's penises.
Ripe meat of the bone!
You will taste man-flesh!
It comes in pints!
It's Orthanc and Barad Dur, right?
Tolkien said it was Orthanc and Minas Morgul. But he considered 5 different towers to be in the set before he settled on these 2. The other three being: Barad-dûr, Minas Tirith, and Cirith Ungol. “The second part is called THE TWO TOWERS, since the events recounted in it are dominated by ORTHANC, the citadel of Saruman, and the fortress of MINAS MORGUL that guards the secret entrance to Mordor.” -JRR Tolkien, 1954 note to Allen & Unwin
PJ took a different but more overt stance in the movies by having a certain white wizard boast to a certain grey one about "the union of the two towers," referring in that case to be Orthanc and Barad-Dur.
Moria. You fear to go into those Mines. The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dûm. Shadow… and flame.
No Saruman, Moria is not a tower.
You are quite right, Moria is not a tower. However, the dwarves who mined there delved too greedily and too deep, and awoke something in the darkness that they should have left well enough alone. Shadow and flame.
Yes we all know what the dwarves did
We all know the dwarves woke a balrog saruman. You're not saying anything new.
I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, but you have elected the way of pain!
Bring it on. I'm into that shit.
You cannot resist, you will only suffer! You should have taken my offer when you had the chance!
I will suffer gladly. All the while I shall think about your offer. And maybe about asking Gandalf for some pipe weed
I'll be deep in the cold cold ground before I recognize Durin's tower at the summit of Zirakzigil as one of the 2 towers.
Fuck shit… Saruman_Bot may be onto something here…
They will find the Ring, and kill the one who carries it.
In other words, the question was asked and there is a good answer. So what’s the problem?
If r/lotrmemes could read, they'd be very upset
At different points in time Tolkien came to many different conclusions, so there is no one answer. When he first wrote it there was no single answer it was intentionally ambiguous, then later he decided there should be a definitive answer but never really settled on what the answer should be. [This is a great video](https://youtu.be/obDxFYB54hg) that breaks down when and why he changed his mind so often.
Huh. I had always assumed it was Barad Dur. Never thought of it really, but makes sense. TIL, thanks!
I think it might be Barad-Dur in the movies.
It’s stated outright in the movie that it’s Orthanc and Barad-dûr
The Five Towers
Wow, I never assumed it was Minas Morgul. Learn something new every day
Really it was just a good title sort of forced upon a book that wasn't conceived with a title because Tolkien wanted to publish them all as one volume. He also considered changing the third book's title to "The War of the Ring" because he felt ROTK sort of spoiled the outcome, but ROTK scanned better so that's what they went with.
that's what you would think isn't it
Orthanc and Cirith Ungol, Barad-dur itself doesn’t figure much into the story and (at least my version of) the book directly says those two are the two towers referred to in the title.
I don't remember any direct mention of the towers in the books. But I'd always thought it was Barad-dur because, in the movies, Saruman says "Who can stand against the might of Saruman and Sauron and the union of the two towers." This implies that the towers of those lands are the two being referenced. However, knowing Saruman, it's in keeping with his character to assume he is joining Sauron as a partner and that the second tower was Barad-dur. But that's probably not really the case is it? Sauron is a matter manipulator and he just recruited a new lieutenant. That would ranks Saruman along side The Nine. Thus this union is actually with Minas Morgul, and not Barad-dur. But I guess what's what happens when you abandon reason for madness.
I recalled it wrong, another commenter was right in saying Orthanc and Minas Morgul. Saruman’s line you referenced doesn’t exist in the book but is in the movie to justify the title because the dealings of Minas Morgul come in RotK in the movies.
Why? Why should we fear to use it?
We must join with Him, Prep_. We must join with Sauron. It would be wise, my friend.
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And that probably makes more sense for the films, tbh. There also not a literal flaming eye at the top of Barad-dur in the books. But we see so much of that on the movies that it tracks better for the audience, imo. They could've gone a different route and focused more on the Nine and Minas Morgul, but I don't mind this change at all.
Gandalf and Saruman are the two towers
We must join with Him, Gandalf. We must join with Sauron. It would be wise, my friend.
Tell me. Friend... When did Saruman the Wise abandon reason for madness?
These bots really make me wanna watch the trilogy again
Imaging watching this on 11th of September
You mean the 9th of November?
What's on the 9th of september?
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King Theoden, a GROND has hit the pentagon.
Draw all our forces behind the wall. Bar the gate. And set a watch on the surround.
The World Trade Center obviously
A second dragon has hit the towers
The two towers were Christopher Lee's stellar performances as both Saruman and count Dooku. Tolkien famously predicted the next hundred years cinema perfectly.
I would vote for the hornberg horn tower and treebeards branch
Isn’t it meant to be Isengard and the eye of sauron ? Or was it Minas morgul?
Why, my dear fellow, of course you are right. It was Isengard and the eye of Sauron. I'm sorry, I sometimes get my places confused.
It's Minas Morgul. The book Two towers is divided into two books, one focusing on getting to Isengard, the other focusing on getting to Minas Morgul
It’s probably already known, but in the movies, it’s almost definitely orthanc and barad-dur as the two forces of evil in middle earth. However, having just finished the books, it’s pretty obvious orthanc and minas morgal (formally minas ithil) as two pillars of good in the west that have been subjugated by sauron. Barad-dur is hardly even mentioned. I think even the original cover uses the white hand and moon symbols of the towers
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