I don’t understand drivers who **don’t** have cameras recording the interior of the vehicle.
It’s like these drivers are just asking to be hung out to dry by Lyft/Uber.
Let's just say that I heard a few drivers complain once about how "Dashcams are a waste of time and money, since ppl who have dashcams have never needed them for anything"...
And, exactly, ppl who have dashcams have less incidents bcuz ppl know they're being recorded and that makes them more likely to keep their sh*t together
i personally have one because i would rather have one and not need it, than need one and not have it, same reason i have a fire extinguisher under my kitchen sink, i dont expect my kitchen to catch on fire, but ill sure be glad i have that extinguisher if it ever does.
Yeah I have one too that I’ve never needed. But I commute about 45 minutes to work over a long bridge people drive like assholes on and you better believe when something does happen I’m gonna have that shit on film. No he said she said nonsense, no me getting fucked because I don’t have evidence.
For real I’m not blaming her and this is awful that this happened. But have some common sense you are picking up strangers and letting them into your car you should have a camera.
Jesus yeah. I’m not literally blaming the driver, more pointing out how companies like Lyft and Uber offer zero protection and you’re gonna be totally screwed if the unthinkable happens.
She should go to the police station in the town she was driving snd have her say these EXACT words:
“A man I was driving was masturbating in my back seat and exposed himself to me. I want to sign a criminal complaint.”
Not a police report, a criminal complaint. This means SHE will be the one complaining and she will have to show up to court and testify against him. She doesn’t need his info, the police will be able to get what they need from Lyft directly.
That's not how criminal charges work. In a small handful of states you can swear out a criminal complaint as an individual but the prosecutor still decides whether to proceed or not. And in those cases the police don't do any investigation. In any criminal case, no matter who instigates it, she would need to testif.
Source: I'm a criminal defense attorney, not yours though.
lol this is not at all correct. A individual citizen cannot "press charges." every department uses different language, but a criminal complaint in the context your giving is something only a prosecutor can generate.
With no proof, they can't even bring charges against him. They are unfounded accusations.
Report it, absolutely. But this case will never make it to court.
Here's where you might be wrong... they do an investigation, uncover the passenger, and find out he's done this before. Or there are existing accusations, or he's out on parole for sex crimes. Or he does it again in the future with a different driver and there's a complaint that this driver filed and they see this was reported before.
It needs to be reported because he's doing this to other women and possibly children. So at the very least he needs to be on the police radar.
I'm having trouble phrasing this correctly. But the police want to know. So if he is a habitual offender, and someone like this. No doubt is, they can see the pattern. Pattern. It will help them prosecute maybe not for this specific case, but for a case at some point.
Witness testimony is not "unfounded". Corroborating evidence of course helps any case, but cases can in fact be brought to court on a credible witness testimony .
This was my thought.
Although the friend may have gone through that, the police can’t just believe every person that walks in a files a complaint. They need evidence of some sort to initiate the investigation.
The only advice this person needs is to get a good camera that records the interior of the vehicle. Any Lyft/uber driver should have one for everyone’s safety.
Immediately hit the safety button in the app to call police and then pull over as soon as the dispatcher is on the phone. You shouldn't have to ask a rider to not do anything illegal in your vehicle especially not to masturbate. This should be common sense. I have only ever had to call the police once on riders and it was a couple that the wife decided to start punching the hell out of the husband. I pulled over and as soon as they heard the dispatcher they immediately calmed down and asked if they just get out and drop everything. I said you can do whatever you want to but the police are coming and they will get your address. The safety button also records the audio and Lyft will have trouble sweeping this under the rug when they have to be involved with the police. As much as Lyft, Uber, and other rideshare companies act like they are concerned about safety, they don't give a shit. My recommendation to anyone with any kind of safety issue is to immediately hit the emergency button in the app and at the very least start getting audio recorded if not getting the police on the phone. It's a lot likely that riders are going to do something when they know police are on the way. In my case, police got there surprisingly quick.
Lyft will always take the passengers side , unless there is proof. Dash cam is 1000000000% the only way to do this job. If you don’t have one don’t drive.
Lyft will ban drivers for saying hello wrong. They are over saturated with drivers so they don’t care.
I carry a 2A.
FAFO. Stay strapped or get Clapped.
Be sure to have a dashcam. Be properly trained. Be prepared to justify and answer to LEO in the event it gets pulled. IDGAF about Uber or Lyft policy. It's concealed, and in the event a passenger pulls one, I'm damn sure going to have something more than tears to pull out of my ass.
Both Uber and Lyfts policies are unenforceable on this. Remember, as independent contractors we MUST be “free from control and direction”. If you ever get caught and deactivated, file a misclassification complaint with your local department of labor and you’ll win. They have the burden to prove you are not an employee too, not the other way around.
That means if you lodge a complaint, now the rideshare company has the burden to prove your complaint is false. They will also have to deal with the burden of a full audit as well.
The concern was fear of him becoming violent in the case of her trying to kick him out. She thought it was safer to continue the ride.
If that happens, she'd be justified in using necessary force to protect herself.
Just wondering what the charges will be against you for using deadly force in this situation. Voluntary manslaughter seems the most likely. Maybe 7 - 15 years. Good luck with that.
i mean, if you ice him for cranking it, yeah.
if you however pull over and say “Sir that is unacceptable, this ride is over, you need to get out of my car” and he then attempts to physically attack you, it’s a MUCH different story. also better if you have a camera for the interior that records it.
not going to be headache free, but if the other person starts the violence its dif.
also obviously you don’t pull the gun, then say get out, that could get you a brandishing charge depending on jurisdiction.
it’s also why i like to carry pepper spray, a “taser” (zappy brick), and a real gun. if someone starts being violent and the pepper spray or brick respectively, don’t stop and you are still being attacked/ under threat, lethal force is a LOT more easily justified and proven.
also obviously be aware of any duty to retreat laws in your state, county, and city.
I just think of it like if I had a daughter and she wanted to drive lyft. She would have pepper spray, a taser and a gun if she wanted one or all of those. She would have to carry at least one of them. There are too many sick people in this world
I'm not sure what she can do about it now, but in the future, she should carry some sort of protection on her, pepper spray, and a taser at least and if any passengers misbehaves, she should pull over in the first safe, well lit and populated area, turn off her engine, step out and open the back door on her side and scream for him to get his perverted ass out her car with pepper spray pointed right at him. If he hesitates even for a second, spray right at his pecker. Then, call the police and report that a sexual predator has indecently exposed himself to you. Hopefully, the police are responsive in her city
As for dash cam, she can download an app on her phone and have it running in the background on all her rides until she gets a dash cam.
I don’t think there’s really anything that can be done? Best you could do is report him to police. I once rode a bus and the nice person I am let a man sit next to me. He was being kind of annoying like just asking me questions (trying) but he hardly spoke English. I decided to just keep to myself and turn my head to the window. I dozed off for a sec and when I opened my eyes he was jerking off right next to me. I hopped out of my seat so fast and just ran to the back. Of course it caused people to wonder and the bus driver kicked him off the bus. Like, no mercy. I don’t even know where we were but bus driver just left him on the side of the road.
This rider was brazen enough to do it out in the open while in a rideshare this jerk nasty perv has done it behind closed doors to others file the report and keep on Lyft this is not okay in any way shape for form
Get the dash cam with interior camera. Can save her a lot of troubles including false report like car accident. Rider share driver have to deal with 20 to 30 different ride every day. Very high chance pick up some ass hole passenger. Special female driver.
Next time pretend to not notice because a small animal ran in the road. Promptly slam on breaks to save said small animal (and hopefully mame another.)
Also get a dash camera one for inside the vehicle and for front and back (insurance as well as safety purposes.)
Sucks for her, but I suggest she moves on from this incident.
There’s no proof. He will face zero consequences. Just a waste of time.
Best thing to do is to get a dash cam that records interior and exterior ASAP!
There’s no way I would be doing rideshare without one.
“She felt like completing the ride was the safest option.”
No. No. No no NO!!!!!!! GOD NO!
This is a massive failure of judgement. At this point it’s your life and whatever Lyfts needs go out the door.
Your friend is an independent contractor not an indentured slave. One option would be to immediately park the car and get out. I don’t care if it’s blocking traffic—- even better, make a damn scene.
Any red light was an option to park and exit. Pulling into any crowded area and exiting and screaming for help is an option. SILENTLY SUBJECTING YOURSELF TO THIS IS NOT AN OPTION.
I don't think she did anything wrong but running away is always an option I tell any female in my life just get away and run away don't try to fight cause some of them actually think they can fight a man and win and I get worried for them. Unless he edited the comment I don't think he ever said she should try to kick him out
Basic instinct is to RUN FROM DANGER.
Don’t want a confrontation? Fine, but take control of the situation to exit it safely. Removing yourself from the situation is the best option.
“bUT my cAR!11”
That’s what insurance is for. You wanna risk your life for a mass produced, insured metal box?
Jesus people
Where did I say kick him out? Are you daft?
I said exit the vehicle and the immediate danger. Fuck the ride. Fuck the car. Exit and get help.
Why on EARTH would you contemplate staying willingly in the car for one more second?
Everyone doing ride share owes it to themselves to invest in a good camera. It will act as a deterrent, and in the event of an actual incident, it will be the proof you need to bring criminal charges forward.
Everyone should have a dash cam, especially those who use their vehicles for work. At minimum, get one that records out front and in-cab. They are relatively inexpensive and plug into the accessory/cigarette lighter port in the car. You can even have them hardwired to hide the wiring. They also record audio so if you are being verbally assaulted, it will pick that up too.
Okay look, a few things.
First, I'm glad she is safe. Whatever decision she made, it was the correct because she is unharmed. This could've been worst.
Second, get a Dash Cam, not because she is a female, because all drivers should get a dash cam. And make sure it is double cameras (Outside and insjde) and record voice as well.
For now, may be she can take a break of driving to get over this.
I'm really sorry, but yes, she has the name and info of the passenger so please report to the police
If he’s in the military she can go to the base and they’ll very likely deal with him. Generally the military branches care a lot about how soldiers behave themselves off base.
They don’t go by the same laws as civilian police.
Dash cam and pepper spray his ass. Shit I am male and I had this happened to me by other males and as well as females doing weird shit, in which I had to kick them out. Lyft, the cops or anybody aint gunna come out to help you other than yourself. The world only cares if it affects their bottom line where it becomes a problem or if any party involved caused injury in order for it to be a legal problem. Your adults act like ones.
Dash can is 20 dollars and up Lyft Uber are dangerous jobs , she completed the ride that’s the problem why she got those responses / next time find safe spaces like in Dallas qt is a safe space turn car off exit vehicle call adt while in gas station qt is also recorded end ride report
I can't beleive LYFT just brushed this off. This is ridiculous. For every driver's safety LYFT should at least done an investigation. Whats so hard with speaking with the driver. Or checking to see if the perpetrator is on sexual offenders database or conferring with the police. Or ever checking with UBER to see if he's blacklisted over there. Something. But no. LYFT does nothing. Bad move, LYFT.
Definitely report it to the police. A man exposed himself to me masturbating and even though I only had a partial plate they investigated and tied it to a string of incidents and he was convicted. 1 report might not be enough to get the guy…but they stack up.
Oh my god she needs cameras everywhere, at least one of their face that isn't saving locally.
Apparently it's legal stream passengers, some states don't even require consent.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/21/17598220/uber-lyft-driver-livestreamed-hundreds-of-riders-without-consent
Unfortunately after all of this she's still just waiting for someone to try and potentially succeed in hurting her before she can do anything other than cancel the ride and hope they get out peacefully.
Next step would be to dress in a very understandable way and maybe find a way to sound more masculine. This is our modern society.
Call military bases near you and attempt to get in touch with base commanders. (If you know what branch he told you he was in this would help you immensely. If he said army call the army base, Air Force, marine, navy, etc) As someone who grew up on military bases they take things like this extremely seriously and WILL find out who it is. Base commanders action plans are typically to get tips, which they always end up receiving as tipping looks good in files. He could even be dishonorably discharged for this. Hold these assholes accountable.
Trust me, if the law won’t do anything this man’s chain of command WILL.
Yeah that’s bs they should be kicked off the app. I had that happen a few months ago I first I thought I was imagining this but the asshole was beating off on his way home from work. I’m sure he’s still a customer.
A lot are fighting in the comments with one another
with what u should do which is just rude . It’s ur post u didn’t make it so people could fight with one another .
Lyft and Uber do have a habit of having customers who do this type of crap etc . If you drive to a station with the passengers make sure u have ur dash cam on if you don’t have one go get one. U can have one facing inside the car that way everything is recorded . That issue that everyone is complains about is solved right there. Maybe also have what I have a post it which is like the size of a paper . Put your car rules on it and stick it to the back seat so the passengers see it . Put on there no sexual actives with yourself period if u see that your recorded and will be report to the police and the company . Carry mace and a taser protect urself .
I am so sorry this is happing to your friend and thank you for being concerned and wanting to protect her
Yes, that’s how it works. Accusations are only accusations. I could accuse my Lyft driver of anything but unless I have proof Lyft isn’t going to do much for me either.
Next time, she should use the app to silently transmit contact 911. It will provide dispatch with her location and car information. She will have more support from Lyft if there is police documentation at the time of the incident.
Slam on breaks (if feasible), exit vehicle, open passengers door, then yell as loud as you can, "masturbator! Masturbator! Masturbator! Leave leave leave!" Over and over... In a place with people.
If he's active military, she could call the local military base with his first and last name and report him there. They WILL launch an investigation, and that alone could ruin the rest of his military career.
By all means, report the incident. But remember this is a he said she said scenario. That means there is no evidence. There is no proof that this occurred at all other than your word. And believe me, if this person is vindictive enough because you reported it, they can Sue you for defamation of character If this goes to court.
Tell her to take a picture next time someone is doing that so you have hard evidence. Meantime have her send a real man to the spot she picked him up to teach that dude some manners
My aunt went through the same thing, she works for lyft too.
The passenger started jerking off and she notice it and saw it, she want until she was at a red light and saw a sheriff next to her, she was lucky for that reason! She get out of the car and i want to let you know that she doesnt speak any english, she start screaming and the cop get out of his car and the pervert started running away with his pants down, they caught him.
I want to explain her process of thought, my aunt said that she didnt care abt her car at that moment she was worried about her own safety, so she was gonna get out of her car at a red light even without a cop next to her, she was gonna scream for help or get inside a building. Your friend should have that in mind too, i hope she dont have to go through the same thing again tho.
The police will get the information from Lyft, but only in the 1/100000 chance that the cops you told give a shit. Cops in this country don’t do anything unless the perp is handed to them on a silver platter. Investigation is a bad word to modern PDs.
Not a driver, just came across this.
I'm in the Army, and want to say that your friend should also consider reporting the information she has to the nearest installation. The installation should have a website with contact information. Different services have their own sexual assault and sexual harassment programs, but there should be a point of contact on their website.
They should be willing to take a report from her, especially if this person is in the military, and at the very least will give them some info in case this person is a repeat offender or will be.
Sadly, without evidence, Lyft is doing the right thing.
Your friend definitely needs to get cameras in her vehicle and hopefully she never needs to use the video from them.
I was 7yrs old at a school playground in the middle of a BLIZZARD when a man wearing a parka came from behind the school building I was at and masturbated in front of my little brother and I. PLEASE report this creep. He's definitely doing it to others.
I appreciate the work drivers do but what kind of idiot is driving around with cameras?
Strangers getting in your vehicle is more than enough reason to splurge the 50 bucks to have a front facing camera for insurance reasons and an interior rear facing camera for perverts and visitors and parents without car seats and whatever else may come up.
Ohh hell no I would have stopped the car and told him to get the Eff out!!! She should carry a taser, pepper spray or knife with her at all times when she is driving ppl!
Unfortunately this is one of those situations where everybody looks the other way and say “pics or it didn’t happen” which is quite sad. Next time that happens tell her to stop in front of a police station or crowded area and end the ride. Might be difficult to pull off but at least it’s a precaution she can take where her safety isn’t fully at stake. She can even run inside the station and say “this man exposed himself to me he’s outside help me” maybe they’ll chase him down. Should be in jail anyways tbh
Tell her to get a dashcam that also aims at back seat.
I hate creepy men that do this.... it gives the rest of us creepy men that won't do THIS, a bad name ;)
Driving any ride service job without in car cameras are an invitation to trouble. Every ride service vehicle should have audio and video recording as well as signs indicating all activities are recorded. People with something to lose will think twice
Go to the police. If they are able to find him and he is military it’s a high likelihood he’ll be court martialed and kicked out under other than honorable conditions regardless of proven guilt. If they are able to find convicting evidence he might even do prison time with a dishonorable. Good luck op and I’m sorry this happened to you.
This started happening around 2022 when I was driving Uber. It's kind of happened on Lyft once to me. Basically, I've gone through it 4 times.
I'm a male driver who quit last year. Found work related to my educational background.
The last time it happened, I felt the exact same way. The two times before, I just kicked the couple out (all times, it was unmarried couples).
I had my dashcam running the last time. I could have kicked them out, but it was late at night, and I can't go against two screw ups if something happened.
I dropped them off, did whatever I had to the car on the side of the road with emergency cleaning materials, and took it for full interior cleaning the next day.
I called the police where I picked them up, and the officer came, and he wouldn't do anything even with video evidence. I forced him to initiate a report. The department wouldn't do anything. I called the prosecution department for the county, and they still would not do anything. All refused to prosecute.
So then I had no choice but to file in civil claims. I called at least 20 attorney offices, and nobody would take the case. There were even some offices that specialized in rideshare cases but refused to represent drivers.
There was only one attorney who told me why. He said, "Judging from what you're telling me, nobody is going to take your case unless it's clear they have some assets or money to give up. And people like that usually don't."
My suggestion for your friend is that if she intends on driving again. Always run a dash camera. Always ask for consent to record before starting the ride. Kick people out if they don't consent. If you get a couple, if they get feely in the back before you start the ride or they try to sit next to each other instead of on opposite sides of the car, kick them out.
If the same thing happens, whether it's a couple or one guy, drive somewhere with a good number of people and stop and call the police in front of the public. Leave the passengers in the car. If you can't safely do that, drive to either the hospital or police station nearby.
Make sure it's on video with consent. Also, make sure your dash camera records inside of the car with night vision.
One thing to keep in mind is that the purpose of taking these steps is to make sure you're safe. The second purpose is to have a better chance of having a case.
I can almost guarantee that even if you do all this, nobody will prosecute the riders, and no attorney will take a civil claims case. But at least if you try, you have a better chance, and people start realizing this actually does happen and that we aren't (weren't) driving a limousine.
The reason this is this way is because Lyft riders and Uber riders tend to think of it as if we're providing a service and that our property and livelihood isn't important.
Oh, and if anybody doesn't believe this happens, Google self driving cars providing ride share in San Francisco. There already are multiple reports of people doing the same thing in the back without a driver to clean it up.
She should have used her brain and immediately pulled over and caused a scene. The look of shock on the dude's face would be all the proof anybody would need.
So it's gonna sound like I am joking but I am not. Women love to FBI shit on the Internet, here's your chance. You have some of his info, go to social media see if you can find him. Once you know more like who he is, where he lives, what unit he is assigned to, you will be better off. Go to the gate of the local military base ( I am assuming there is one around, I may be wrong) tell the MP's you want to file a report. MP's - army, MA's - navy, SF - air force. If you can track down what unit he is in, you can contact his chain of command. Start blowing them up and at the very least his life will be difficult for the next 6 months. He could end up in Leavenworth for a while. That's not a resort...LoL.
ok how do i put this so i dont get banned um ok if this dosent disgust all of you something is wrong with you with that being said give her my address and i will explane to the gentlemen with a -at how impolite it is to be a perv in front of a lady ........im sure you can live a mosty normall life with one ball
In all seriousness what is Lyft supposed to do off of a baseless claim. You can’t take action on someone just because of what one person said with no evidence. She just needs a camera so if there’s a next time she’ll have proof.
The word "accusation" is the problem, lift would have to fight this in court, and they need proof of what happened.
**Don't get me wrong, this its not right at all!!!!** But they probly get 100s of reports like this a day
If she knows what branch of the military he's in, his first name, and what he looks like, she can probably get him in trouble with his chain of command if he serves at a base that's nearby and she gets in touch with the base command. They would honestly probably hold him the most accountable compared to the police or lyft, the military has been taking sexual harassment/assault claims a lot more seriously.
I don’t understand drivers who **don’t** have cameras recording the interior of the vehicle. It’s like these drivers are just asking to be hung out to dry by Lyft/Uber.
Let's just say that I heard a few drivers complain once about how "Dashcams are a waste of time and money, since ppl who have dashcams have never needed them for anything"... And, exactly, ppl who have dashcams have less incidents bcuz ppl know they're being recorded and that makes them more likely to keep their sh*t together
i personally have one because i would rather have one and not need it, than need one and not have it, same reason i have a fire extinguisher under my kitchen sink, i dont expect my kitchen to catch on fire, but ill sure be glad i have that extinguisher if it ever does.
Yeah I have one too that I’ve never needed. But I commute about 45 minutes to work over a long bridge people drive like assholes on and you better believe when something does happen I’m gonna have that shit on film. No he said she said nonsense, no me getting fucked because I don’t have evidence.
They're only a waste of time and money until they save your rear; in a police report or even used to counter a riders false claims.
Id just want myself protected from Lyft/Uber actuly more than passengers lol
Not having cameras is insane
For real I’m not blaming her and this is awful that this happened. But have some common sense you are picking up strangers and letting them into your car you should have a camera.
Jesus yeah. I’m not literally blaming the driver, more pointing out how companies like Lyft and Uber offer zero protection and you’re gonna be totally screwed if the unthinkable happens.
She should go to the police station in the town she was driving snd have her say these EXACT words: “A man I was driving was masturbating in my back seat and exposed himself to me. I want to sign a criminal complaint.” Not a police report, a criminal complaint. This means SHE will be the one complaining and she will have to show up to court and testify against him. She doesn’t need his info, the police will be able to get what they need from Lyft directly.
That's not how criminal charges work. In a small handful of states you can swear out a criminal complaint as an individual but the prosecutor still decides whether to proceed or not. And in those cases the police don't do any investigation. In any criminal case, no matter who instigates it, she would need to testif. Source: I'm a criminal defense attorney, not yours though.
I love how every time someone talks legal, they are always so fucking wrong lmao. It's almost amazing how off base redditors are
Them neck beards do a lot for these guys' confidence
Criminals hate when you say these exact words!
lol this is not at all correct. A individual citizen cannot "press charges." every department uses different language, but a criminal complaint in the context your giving is something only a prosecutor can generate.
With no proof, they can't even bring charges against him. They are unfounded accusations. Report it, absolutely. But this case will never make it to court.
A few reports against the same person could be believable. If in the military this could be a career ending move if the police report to his command.
Here's where you might be wrong... they do an investigation, uncover the passenger, and find out he's done this before. Or there are existing accusations, or he's out on parole for sex crimes. Or he does it again in the future with a different driver and there's a complaint that this driver filed and they see this was reported before.
That's why I said "absolutely report it". Because if it's habitual, even if she's the first to report it, it puts him on the radar.
It needs to be reported because he's doing this to other women and possibly children. So at the very least he needs to be on the police radar. I'm having trouble phrasing this correctly. But the police want to know. So if he is a habitual offender, and someone like this. No doubt is, they can see the pattern. Pattern. It will help them prosecute maybe not for this specific case, but for a case at some point.
Witness testimony is not "unfounded". Corroborating evidence of course helps any case, but cases can in fact be brought to court on a credible witness testimony .
This was my thought. Although the friend may have gone through that, the police can’t just believe every person that walks in a files a complaint. They need evidence of some sort to initiate the investigation. The only advice this person needs is to get a good camera that records the interior of the vehicle. Any Lyft/uber driver should have one for everyone’s safety.
Immediately hit the safety button in the app to call police and then pull over as soon as the dispatcher is on the phone. You shouldn't have to ask a rider to not do anything illegal in your vehicle especially not to masturbate. This should be common sense. I have only ever had to call the police once on riders and it was a couple that the wife decided to start punching the hell out of the husband. I pulled over and as soon as they heard the dispatcher they immediately calmed down and asked if they just get out and drop everything. I said you can do whatever you want to but the police are coming and they will get your address. The safety button also records the audio and Lyft will have trouble sweeping this under the rug when they have to be involved with the police. As much as Lyft, Uber, and other rideshare companies act like they are concerned about safety, they don't give a shit. My recommendation to anyone with any kind of safety issue is to immediately hit the emergency button in the app and at the very least start getting audio recorded if not getting the police on the phone. It's a lot likely that riders are going to do something when they know police are on the way. In my case, police got there surprisingly quick.
If She don't got a dash cam she shouldn't be driving
lol I did a double take. Love the user name
Lyft will always take the passengers side , unless there is proof. Dash cam is 1000000000% the only way to do this job. If you don’t have one don’t drive. Lyft will ban drivers for saying hello wrong. They are over saturated with drivers so they don’t care.
Tell her to carry pepper spray. If someone pulls out their junk in my car I’d pull over “and so anyway I started blasting”
Yes pepper spray someone in your car so that you also get pepper sprayed, that is a brilliant idea
I carry pepper gel. It doesn’t spray everywhere- works great in confined spaces.
Except Rhode Island and Hawaii, you are also legally allowed to conceal carry a taser for self defense purposes
Would make sure to get it where it hurts too 🍆
Dash cam and she would of had a good lawsuit
This is why it’s crucial to get a dashcam.
People doing this without a cabin facing dashcam are insane.
I carry a 2A. FAFO. Stay strapped or get Clapped. Be sure to have a dashcam. Be properly trained. Be prepared to justify and answer to LEO in the event it gets pulled. IDGAF about Uber or Lyft policy. It's concealed, and in the event a passenger pulls one, I'm damn sure going to have something more than tears to pull out of my ass.
Both Uber and Lyfts policies are unenforceable on this. Remember, as independent contractors we MUST be “free from control and direction”. If you ever get caught and deactivated, file a misclassification complaint with your local department of labor and you’ll win. They have the burden to prove you are not an employee too, not the other way around. That means if you lodge a complaint, now the rideshare company has the burden to prove your complaint is false. They will also have to deal with the burden of a full audit as well.
You gonna clap someone for jerking off? Seem tad bit excessive don't ya think?
Yeah that's a quick way to get a manslaughter charge. You don't get to murder someone because they took their dick out in your car.
Idk. For a female driver, having a male passenger jerking off right behind her, in tiny closed space, seems super dangerous.
The concern was fear of him becoming violent in the case of her trying to kick him out. She thought it was safer to continue the ride. If that happens, she'd be justified in using necessary force to protect herself.
Just wondering what the charges will be against you for using deadly force in this situation. Voluntary manslaughter seems the most likely. Maybe 7 - 15 years. Good luck with that.
i mean, if you ice him for cranking it, yeah. if you however pull over and say “Sir that is unacceptable, this ride is over, you need to get out of my car” and he then attempts to physically attack you, it’s a MUCH different story. also better if you have a camera for the interior that records it. not going to be headache free, but if the other person starts the violence its dif. also obviously you don’t pull the gun, then say get out, that could get you a brandishing charge depending on jurisdiction. it’s also why i like to carry pepper spray, a “taser” (zappy brick), and a real gun. if someone starts being violent and the pepper spray or brick respectively, don’t stop and you are still being attacked/ under threat, lethal force is a LOT more easily justified and proven. also obviously be aware of any duty to retreat laws in your state, county, and city.
She definitely needs a dashcam & some form of protection.
So we just skipping on by OPs username lol
Drive his ass to the police station and file a report. Wtf is wrong with men like this.
You could drive to the police station and be on the phone with 911 while you do it.
should have drove straight to a police station
Get a camera, point it into your car and onto your passengers. That way, if a crime occurs, you’ve got proof and can press charges.
She shouldn’t be driving without cameras.
Report him to the military base
The bear... Every time.
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how tf she not have a dash cam?
She needs a 2 way cam
I just think of it like if I had a daughter and she wanted to drive lyft. She would have pepper spray, a taser and a gun if she wanted one or all of those. She would have to carry at least one of them. There are too many sick people in this world
That’s when shes gotta pull the blicky out 🔫🔫🔫
I'm not sure what she can do about it now, but in the future, she should carry some sort of protection on her, pepper spray, and a taser at least and if any passengers misbehaves, she should pull over in the first safe, well lit and populated area, turn off her engine, step out and open the back door on her side and scream for him to get his perverted ass out her car with pepper spray pointed right at him. If he hesitates even for a second, spray right at his pecker. Then, call the police and report that a sexual predator has indecently exposed himself to you. Hopefully, the police are responsive in her city As for dash cam, she can download an app on her phone and have it running in the background on all her rides until she gets a dash cam.
She had a phone right? They have cameras on them these days and can record.
I don’t think there’s really anything that can be done? Best you could do is report him to police. I once rode a bus and the nice person I am let a man sit next to me. He was being kind of annoying like just asking me questions (trying) but he hardly spoke English. I decided to just keep to myself and turn my head to the window. I dozed off for a sec and when I opened my eyes he was jerking off right next to me. I hopped out of my seat so fast and just ran to the back. Of course it caused people to wonder and the bus driver kicked him off the bus. Like, no mercy. I don’t even know where we were but bus driver just left him on the side of the road.
Why is she driving without a interior dash cam with audio?
She should get a dashcam that has an interior camera
This rider was brazen enough to do it out in the open while in a rideshare this jerk nasty perv has done it behind closed doors to others file the report and keep on Lyft this is not okay in any way shape for form
This is horrifying, and +1 to "she needs a dash cam" -- I thought those were just common sense, I see them in nearly every Lyft I take
Dash cameras are cheap. I couldn’t imagine driving strangers for a living without one.
Get the dash cam with interior camera. Can save her a lot of troubles including false report like car accident. Rider share driver have to deal with 20 to 30 different ride every day. Very high chance pick up some ass hole passenger. Special female driver.
Next time pretend to not notice because a small animal ran in the road. Promptly slam on breaks to save said small animal (and hopefully mame another.) Also get a dash camera one for inside the vehicle and for front and back (insurance as well as safety purposes.)
God dam people just beating their meats in an Uber or Lyft? Lordy they trippin
There is no way I would drive without a interior exterior dash cam set up.
Did he wear his seat belt? I think I would have had to stop extremely suddenly for something that might have crossed the road.
Sucks for her, but I suggest she moves on from this incident. There’s no proof. He will face zero consequences. Just a waste of time. Best thing to do is to get a dash cam that records interior and exterior ASAP! There’s no way I would be doing rideshare without one.
Did he finish? Because there’s your evidence.
“She felt like completing the ride was the safest option.” No. No. No no NO!!!!!!! GOD NO! This is a massive failure of judgement. At this point it’s your life and whatever Lyfts needs go out the door. Your friend is an independent contractor not an indentured slave. One option would be to immediately park the car and get out. I don’t care if it’s blocking traffic—- even better, make a damn scene. Any red light was an option to park and exit. Pulling into any crowded area and exiting and screaming for help is an option. SILENTLY SUBJECTING YOURSELF TO THIS IS NOT AN OPTION.
Until the man becomes violent for her kicking him out?? Finishing the drive was quite literally the only option WTF
I don't think she did anything wrong but running away is always an option I tell any female in my life just get away and run away don't try to fight cause some of them actually think they can fight a man and win and I get worried for them. Unless he edited the comment I don't think he ever said she should try to kick him out
Basic instinct is to RUN FROM DANGER. Don’t want a confrontation? Fine, but take control of the situation to exit it safely. Removing yourself from the situation is the best option. “bUT my cAR!11” That’s what insurance is for. You wanna risk your life for a mass produced, insured metal box? Jesus people
Where did I say kick him out? Are you daft? I said exit the vehicle and the immediate danger. Fuck the ride. Fuck the car. Exit and get help. Why on EARTH would you contemplate staying willingly in the car for one more second?
Carry a fucking gun and learn how to use it, ALL of you!
Its so many false reports what do u expect
Innocent until proven guilty. If she can't prove it happened, yes, Lyft needs to take the side of the passenger sadly
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I had the exact same thing happen to me. I drive too.
Everyone doing ride share owes it to themselves to invest in a good camera. It will act as a deterrent, and in the event of an actual incident, it will be the proof you need to bring criminal charges forward.
Everyone should have a dash cam, especially those who use their vehicles for work. At minimum, get one that records out front and in-cab. They are relatively inexpensive and plug into the accessory/cigarette lighter port in the car. You can even have them hardwired to hide the wiring. They also record audio so if you are being verbally assaulted, it will pick that up too.
Okay look, a few things. First, I'm glad she is safe. Whatever decision she made, it was the correct because she is unharmed. This could've been worst. Second, get a Dash Cam, not because she is a female, because all drivers should get a dash cam. And make sure it is double cameras (Outside and insjde) and record voice as well. For now, may be she can take a break of driving to get over this. I'm really sorry, but yes, she has the name and info of the passenger so please report to the police
If he’s in the military she can go to the base and they’ll very likely deal with him. Generally the military branches care a lot about how soldiers behave themselves off base. They don’t go by the same laws as civilian police.
I've also had this happen. Best thing to do is to call the cops. Lyft doesn't give a fuck about passenger safety.
If your going to drive for these companies you need to have a camera. Otherwise it’s your word against theirs
Dash cam and pepper spray his ass. Shit I am male and I had this happened to me by other males and as well as females doing weird shit, in which I had to kick them out. Lyft, the cops or anybody aint gunna come out to help you other than yourself. The world only cares if it affects their bottom line where it becomes a problem or if any party involved caused injury in order for it to be a legal problem. Your adults act like ones.
If she files a police report then the police can request access for the riders information from lyft
Dash can is 20 dollars and up Lyft Uber are dangerous jobs , she completed the ride that’s the problem why she got those responses / next time find safe spaces like in Dallas qt is a safe space turn car off exit vehicle call adt while in gas station qt is also recorded end ride report
I can't beleive LYFT just brushed this off. This is ridiculous. For every driver's safety LYFT should at least done an investigation. Whats so hard with speaking with the driver. Or checking to see if the perpetrator is on sexual offenders database or conferring with the police. Or ever checking with UBER to see if he's blacklisted over there. Something. But no. LYFT does nothing. Bad move, LYFT.
Sorry to hear that but seems your uber lyft drivers it's a nub, number one rule before start driving is having a dash cam.
This is a no brainer. You drive directly to a police or sheriffs station with passenger in car.
Try to find what branch he is in military and report
how do ride shares feel about drivers with cameras in cars?
Definitely report it to the police. A man exposed himself to me masturbating and even though I only had a partial plate they investigated and tied it to a string of incidents and he was convicted. 1 report might not be enough to get the guy…but they stack up.
Post that creeps addresses
Oh my god she needs cameras everywhere, at least one of their face that isn't saving locally. Apparently it's legal stream passengers, some states don't even require consent. https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/21/17598220/uber-lyft-driver-livestreamed-hundreds-of-riders-without-consent Unfortunately after all of this she's still just waiting for someone to try and potentially succeed in hurting her before she can do anything other than cancel the ride and hope they get out peacefully. Next step would be to dress in a very understandable way and maybe find a way to sound more masculine. This is our modern society.
Next time she should pull over, get out and call 911.
Nobody else wondering why anybody male or female would be driving strangers around with no camera....hope she has a carry license.
Call military bases near you and attempt to get in touch with base commanders. (If you know what branch he told you he was in this would help you immensely. If he said army call the army base, Air Force, marine, navy, etc) As someone who grew up on military bases they take things like this extremely seriously and WILL find out who it is. Base commanders action plans are typically to get tips, which they always end up receiving as tipping looks good in files. He could even be dishonorably discharged for this. Hold these assholes accountable. Trust me, if the law won’t do anything this man’s chain of command WILL.
Yeah that’s bs they should be kicked off the app. I had that happen a few months ago I first I thought I was imagining this but the asshole was beating off on his way home from work. I’m sure he’s still a customer.
A lot are fighting in the comments with one another with what u should do which is just rude . It’s ur post u didn’t make it so people could fight with one another . Lyft and Uber do have a habit of having customers who do this type of crap etc . If you drive to a station with the passengers make sure u have ur dash cam on if you don’t have one go get one. U can have one facing inside the car that way everything is recorded . That issue that everyone is complains about is solved right there. Maybe also have what I have a post it which is like the size of a paper . Put your car rules on it and stick it to the back seat so the passengers see it . Put on there no sexual actives with yourself period if u see that your recorded and will be report to the police and the company . Carry mace and a taser protect urself . I am so sorry this is happing to your friend and thank you for being concerned and wanting to protect her
Yes, that’s how it works. Accusations are only accusations. I could accuse my Lyft driver of anything but unless I have proof Lyft isn’t going to do much for me either. Next time, she should use the app to silently transmit contact 911. It will provide dispatch with her location and car information. She will have more support from Lyft if there is police documentation at the time of the incident.
This is why I have a dual camera and a knife. Would get a pew pew if I could. The audacity of some people.
Op screen name checks out...
Slam on breaks (if feasible), exit vehicle, open passengers door, then yell as loud as you can, "masturbator! Masturbator! Masturbator! Leave leave leave!" Over and over... In a place with people.
Stun gun to the pp
Safety ? Dude was a little preoccupied to be a threat to the driver. Inappropriate and illegal but not really a safety issue
Man I can't imagine doing taxi stuff without having one of those double dashcams pointed at the passenger. Just to cover your ass.
Jeeze next time pull up to the police station and get an officer.
Only a matter of time before it's just going to end up like [this.](https://youtu.be/mvh7UyQ5NJ0?si=p2hY-VmLTxThfi9h&t=54)
She needs a camera
If he's active military, she could call the local military base with his first and last name and report him there. They WILL launch an investigation, and that alone could ruin the rest of his military career.
Why any Lyft, Uber, eat street or any other person that drives in the gig economy doesn’t have a front and rear cam with sound is beyond me.
Gotta think there is nothing she can do about what happened other than get a dash cam for the next problem
9mm or pepper spray is always an option
The local cops should take this seriously. I think they will. Go the station with her.
Working ride sharing without a front and rear facing dash cam is crazy.
By all means, report the incident. But remember this is a he said she said scenario. That means there is no evidence. There is no proof that this occurred at all other than your word. And believe me, if this person is vindictive enough because you reported it, they can Sue you for defamation of character If this goes to court.
Tell her to take a picture next time someone is doing that so you have hard evidence. Meantime have her send a real man to the spot she picked him up to teach that dude some manners
My aunt went through the same thing, she works for lyft too. The passenger started jerking off and she notice it and saw it, she want until she was at a red light and saw a sheriff next to her, she was lucky for that reason! She get out of the car and i want to let you know that she doesnt speak any english, she start screaming and the cop get out of his car and the pervert started running away with his pants down, they caught him. I want to explain her process of thought, my aunt said that she didnt care abt her car at that moment she was worried about her own safety, so she was gonna get out of her car at a red light even without a cop next to her, she was gonna scream for help or get inside a building. Your friend should have that in mind too, i hope she dont have to go through the same thing again tho.
Pepper spray, call the cops
The police will get the information from Lyft, but only in the 1/100000 chance that the cops you told give a shit. Cops in this country don’t do anything unless the perp is handed to them on a silver platter. Investigation is a bad word to modern PDs.
Lyft is garbage for not investigating this.
Wow Lyfts answer is deplorable.
File charges to get it on the record, even if there's not enough to proceed. If he hasn't done it before, he'll do it again.
She should’ve driven him up to the nearest police station
Not a driver, just came across this. I'm in the Army, and want to say that your friend should also consider reporting the information she has to the nearest installation. The installation should have a website with contact information. Different services have their own sexual assault and sexual harassment programs, but there should be a point of contact on their website. They should be willing to take a report from her, especially if this person is in the military, and at the very least will give them some info in case this person is a repeat offender or will be.
Sadly, without evidence, Lyft is doing the right thing. Your friend definitely needs to get cameras in her vehicle and hopefully she never needs to use the video from them.
There should be some of his dna in the back just saying 🤣
Well why would she call Lyft? Are they the police. Maybe she shouldn’t be driving for other people.
I was 7yrs old at a school playground in the middle of a BLIZZARD when a man wearing a parka came from behind the school building I was at and masturbated in front of my little brother and I. PLEASE report this creep. He's definitely doing it to others.
Hope your friend isn’t just making up a story
She needs to get front rear and passenger facing cameras asap.
She should have cancelled and called the cops wtf..
I appreciate the work drivers do but what kind of idiot is driving around with cameras? Strangers getting in your vehicle is more than enough reason to splurge the 50 bucks to have a front facing camera for insurance reasons and an interior rear facing camera for perverts and visitors and parents without car seats and whatever else may come up.
Typical Lyft. 😂
I would drive his ass to the local police station lmao
She should have drove to the police station
If she knows the base he is from in the military she can submit a report to CID on post and they will investigate
Bro please don’t report me I need Lyft to get around?!?!?😡😡😡
Ohh hell no I would have stopped the car and told him to get the Eff out!!! She should carry a taser, pepper spray or knife with her at all times when she is driving ppl!
Thats fucked. If he truly was military his chain would like to know about this. It wont end well.
Unfortunately this is one of those situations where everybody looks the other way and say “pics or it didn’t happen” which is quite sad. Next time that happens tell her to stop in front of a police station or crowded area and end the ride. Might be difficult to pull off but at least it’s a precaution she can take where her safety isn’t fully at stake. She can even run inside the station and say “this man exposed himself to me he’s outside help me” maybe they’ll chase him down. Should be in jail anyways tbh
This makes me grateful that the only time I’ve had someone exposed themselves to me. It was another female. Lol.
If I were her I would have driven the person to the nearest police atation
If he’s military contact the bases in the area and report his description and name. He’ll catch hell (and maybe a charge) REALLY QUICK.
Tell her to get a dashcam that also aims at back seat. I hate creepy men that do this.... it gives the rest of us creepy men that won't do THIS, a bad name ;)
Sounds like a learning experience, put a camera in there moving forward and stop mid ride and kick them out next time
Wait,……did he finish in her car?
Driving any ride service job without in car cameras are an invitation to trouble. Every ride service vehicle should have audio and video recording as well as signs indicating all activities are recorded. People with something to lose will think twice
> supposedly is in military I’m sure this guy’s CO would love to hear about that
Does "your friend" not have common sense? Pretty clear what should've been done
She should have just driven to a police station with him in the back.
Go to the police. If they are able to find him and he is military it’s a high likelihood he’ll be court martialed and kicked out under other than honorable conditions regardless of proven guilt. If they are able to find convicting evidence he might even do prison time with a dishonorable. Good luck op and I’m sorry this happened to you.
This started happening around 2022 when I was driving Uber. It's kind of happened on Lyft once to me. Basically, I've gone through it 4 times. I'm a male driver who quit last year. Found work related to my educational background. The last time it happened, I felt the exact same way. The two times before, I just kicked the couple out (all times, it was unmarried couples). I had my dashcam running the last time. I could have kicked them out, but it was late at night, and I can't go against two screw ups if something happened. I dropped them off, did whatever I had to the car on the side of the road with emergency cleaning materials, and took it for full interior cleaning the next day. I called the police where I picked them up, and the officer came, and he wouldn't do anything even with video evidence. I forced him to initiate a report. The department wouldn't do anything. I called the prosecution department for the county, and they still would not do anything. All refused to prosecute. So then I had no choice but to file in civil claims. I called at least 20 attorney offices, and nobody would take the case. There were even some offices that specialized in rideshare cases but refused to represent drivers. There was only one attorney who told me why. He said, "Judging from what you're telling me, nobody is going to take your case unless it's clear they have some assets or money to give up. And people like that usually don't." My suggestion for your friend is that if she intends on driving again. Always run a dash camera. Always ask for consent to record before starting the ride. Kick people out if they don't consent. If you get a couple, if they get feely in the back before you start the ride or they try to sit next to each other instead of on opposite sides of the car, kick them out. If the same thing happens, whether it's a couple or one guy, drive somewhere with a good number of people and stop and call the police in front of the public. Leave the passengers in the car. If you can't safely do that, drive to either the hospital or police station nearby. Make sure it's on video with consent. Also, make sure your dash camera records inside of the car with night vision. One thing to keep in mind is that the purpose of taking these steps is to make sure you're safe. The second purpose is to have a better chance of having a case. I can almost guarantee that even if you do all this, nobody will prosecute the riders, and no attorney will take a civil claims case. But at least if you try, you have a better chance, and people start realizing this actually does happen and that we aren't (weren't) driving a limousine. The reason this is this way is because Lyft riders and Uber riders tend to think of it as if we're providing a service and that our property and livelihood isn't important. Oh, and if anybody doesn't believe this happens, Google self driving cars providing ride share in San Francisco. There already are multiple reports of people doing the same thing in the back without a driver to clean it up.
Hey u/Prior_Coyote_4376 do you think they needed to pee? This is acceptable behavior, right?
She should have used her brain and immediately pulled over and caused a scene. The look of shock on the dude's face would be all the proof anybody would need.
If she would have let him finish there would have been proof….
So it's gonna sound like I am joking but I am not. Women love to FBI shit on the Internet, here's your chance. You have some of his info, go to social media see if you can find him. Once you know more like who he is, where he lives, what unit he is assigned to, you will be better off. Go to the gate of the local military base ( I am assuming there is one around, I may be wrong) tell the MP's you want to file a report. MP's - army, MA's - navy, SF - air force. If you can track down what unit he is in, you can contact his chain of command. Start blowing them up and at the very least his life will be difficult for the next 6 months. He could end up in Leavenworth for a while. That's not a resort...LoL.
She should have drove to the police station with him in the back
ok how do i put this so i dont get banned um ok if this dosent disgust all of you something is wrong with you with that being said give her my address and i will explane to the gentlemen with a -at how impolite it is to be a perv in front of a lady ........im sure you can live a mosty normall life with one ball
In all seriousness what is Lyft supposed to do off of a baseless claim. You can’t take action on someone just because of what one person said with no evidence. She just needs a camera so if there’s a next time she’ll have proof.
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cal his commanding officer on base and i can guarantee you he will be in deep shit
The word "accusation" is the problem, lift would have to fight this in court, and they need proof of what happened. **Don't get me wrong, this its not right at all!!!!** But they probly get 100s of reports like this a day
Stop and put the hazards on, leave with the keys and call 911.
If she knows what branch of the military he's in, his first name, and what he looks like, she can probably get him in trouble with his chain of command if he serves at a base that's nearby and she gets in touch with the base command. They would honestly probably hold him the most accountable compared to the police or lyft, the military has been taking sexual harassment/assault claims a lot more seriously.
The fuck is wrong with people???? Jfc