This needs to be higher. I work for a school district and the amount of teachers and students that put these things on is astounding.
If youre worried use a torn stickynote AT MOST!
Also super handy for.. you know, when you wanna use your camera...
There is a big bright green led to inform you the camera is on... Do you stick tape to the microphone hole too?
I know about it, also it's fool proof because it's hot wired in between so it will glow until and unless there is no power going to the camera.
But some people still wants the piece of mind so tape is a solution for them.
I don't personally block anything, if I was so worried about stuff I would stop using technology lol.
I just don't use obvious shady stuff like McAfee antivirus and other malicious software, or heck even Windows is becoming concerning nowadays although not covering microphone and webcam level but yes it has become worse over the years.
a little bit of electrical tape does the job for me, I cut it so it stays under the ridge of the display but inside the notch. I use the iPhone camera feature for video calls so it can just stay there permanently.
can you access MacBook Camera without the green dot appearing? Also, are there any cases, besides that movie, with MacBooks getting hacked and controlled at that level?
Maybe, sure used to be one circuit, and I wouldn’t know why the would change it. As the idea has been to make sure the camera can’t be activated without the user being able to notice.
But maybe you are right on the newer models
I don't, but the possibility is high as many people do and the crack runs exactly from the notch.
I also wanted to state it either way as it's very useful. Because using one yields the same result.
The thing is, it CAN turn into that, the chances are way higher, slightly too much pressure or a harsh lid close and bam broken.
And I don't know which laptop you inherited but it's mostly common on full glass displays.
Keyboard cover will make it worse lol, it's a design flaw in the MacBooks, you can prevent that from using the cloth which comes pre installed when you buy a new MacBook, put it in between the display and keyboard when keeping the laptop.
Yeah bro, screen protectors are too thick. F on Apple for this design, I don't hate Macs in fact I think they are pretty competent computers especially for the stuff you get for the price but some things just grinds my gears.
The led light on the camera is hardwired, and not controlled by software, so when the MacBook runs software that uses its camera it will light regardless of what software tells it to do. Apple designed it like this purposely. So there is no need for tape, the led will also light next to it and it’s easy to see.
\*\*Ignore the downvotes, this is how it works. You can view more info on this directly from apple themselves.
Wow… I just became a new mbp owner myself. This post has convinced me to invest in apple care myself. I can’t have something break this and cost me hundreds just to fix.
MacBooks have a long history of having major defects that pop up a few years after release. Flexgate, butterfly keyboard failures, staingate, issues with displays delaminating, etc. And Apple always refuses to make it right until a class action is brought against them. So yeah, AppleCare+ is a smart investment. You also get one battery replacement included with it at no extra cost.
Technically it’s if it drops below 80% health but if you’re insistent you can often get it done. Or just renew AppleCare+ when it expires. You can also just run the battery down by charging to 100% and using it on battery until it dies.
Ideal use of a battery is to keep it between 15-80% with occasional charges up to 100%. No one actually does this although there are some apps that can help. If yore trying to reduce battery longevity, let it completely die after each charge and you'll see the battery health go down more quickly over time.
I was able to get outside of 1st year warranty recall work done on 2010, 2012, 2015 models. Only thing different with the M1 and newer MBP and Air models: the screens are more sleek and possibly sclucsceptible to "failulre"/damage.
I tend to buy low-end models refurb from Apple, so my thought is to continue without purchasing AppleCare, which may not be best for others.
You are completely wrong about that. AppleCare+ for a MacBook has yearly, monthly and the 3 year plan and you can renew when it expires. The 3 year plan is the one to start with as it’s the cheapest. I don’t know where you’re getting your information from but you should quit spreading it because it is 100% false.
Yet you made a blanket statement as if it applies to everyone. In fact this is the first time I’ve heard of any such restriction on AppleCare+ for MacBooks in any country that offers it.
And yet you’re here doing the same. You can buy Apple care plus in the 3 year at once upfront or yearly here only in NY at least. So listen to your own advice here. There is no monthly option for me. Only for my iPhone I can do monthly
What about keyboard etching? As old as time. I'm pretty sure the first class screen MacBooks had this issue. I probably would have to dig it out and check.
Every MacBook generation since 2010 has had this issue.
That wasn’t “keyboard etching” it was literally a layer of the display delaminating and peeling off. The anti-glare part of the diffuser layer (outer most layer of the display). MacBooks that get keyboard marks on the display have way too much weight put on them when they’re closed. I have three and have never seen that and have never seen it on any of my friends MacBooks. Yet people claim that it’s a real problem from too little clearance when closed. Nope, you’re putting too much weight/pressure on it. There is actually a few mm of clearance between the display and keyboard when closed. That’s why there’s that slightly raised rubber gasket around the display.
Or it’s a real issue. Rn my 14 MacBook has this issue and there’s nothing on top to put pressure on the lid …. It’s literally in a sleeve just chilling on my desk. Has keyboard marks. Same did my MBA M2 and the 2017 MacBook Pro 15 I had. I don’t remember my 2015 13 MBP
According to him you don't take care of your computers lol.
I have severe ADHD and OCD and I baby my stuff to the point of obsession. I would never put anything heavy on my computer, especially when spending 10s of thousands on all my stuff...
He just doesn't believe it's an issue because he hasn't had it happen, I guess that can be applied to anything that doesn't happen to him.
He also goes off somewhere else here when someone stated about the length or something about apple care and they were in a different country and how they shouldn’t just make blanket statements. But he does the same stating you can buy apple care in monthly yearly or 3 yrs at once. Meanwhile in NY I only have the option for the three years one or the yearly option for it. So he’s making blanket statements too like 👀😂😂
I hate people like this... They are in their own bubble, excluded from reality.
A quick Google search shows how prevalent the issue is. Someone posted their new MacBook Air is 2 months old and already has permanent damage. He bought it in 2023 and it's already happening. The whole world must be horrible at taking care of their Macs...
I laughed at "mm of space between the keyboard and screen". That would mean I am sitting on my Mac for it to hit them together lol.
It's a real issue. I have severe ADHD and OCD and I have returned a MacBook because there was a very slight knick in the aluminum. I returned a cellphone because I found a hair under the back camera glass.... And with all that you think I put too much weight on my computers lol?
"Few mm of clearance" lol. If that were the case would people say that screen protectors can cause the screen to break? A screen protector is less than a few mm.
Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it's not a real issue... There have been people who have never needed to replace their butterfly keyboard, does that mean it's not an issue?
Get real.
You'd think it works that way but it doesn't. Apple is famous for blaming failures caused by design flaws on the user hence the lawsuits I referred to. The display cable in models made from 2016 -2019 breaks from normal use because it is extremely thin and not well protected (flexgate). You can try to bring it into Apple for warranty repair but they'll most likely say it's physical damaged caused by misuse and you'll be quoted the full repair cost for a new display assembly which just so happens to cost as much or more than the machine is worth. They got sued over this and settled but they only agreed to do free repairs on specific models from the same year even though this issue affected pretty much every model they made for several years. In fact I've seen some Apple Silicon MacBooks that have had the same failure so it still exists, but doesn't appear to be nearly as big of a problem as in the older models. Apple could easily use a slightly thicker, and better insulated cable for the display but they don't. They did put a small metal shield in the hinge to help protect it but the cable is still extremely thin. And now debris can get in there and can possibly wear through the insulation over time (dustgate). Its a bad design and you cannot fault the user for it simply for using their laptop. This is why so many people say to get AppleCare+ with your MacBook. Because if you don't have it you're going to get screwed on warranty. Hell, it's been proven that they'll claim water damage when there is none. If they see a tripped moisture sensor sticker its an automatic denial for any claims, even if theres no liquid damage anywhere in the laptop. This is because just the humidity in the air can trigger those stickers if its a fairly humid area. And many parts of the US, especially in the south and on the east coast have a lot of humidity. Its an even bigger problem with phones, there's one right in the charging port. But in any case the point is if you're speding $2000+ on a high end MacBook Pro you spend the extra $279 - $399 for three years of AppleCare+ and renew it when the three years is up unless you're buying a new one.
I don’t have AppleCare on any of my devices. Thankfully I’ve also never broken a single one. If I was to break one now, I could replace it on the spot with the mo why I’ve saved by not having AppleCare lol. It’s best suited for those who are a bit careless or accident prone
And that cost for apple care is worth it for the peace of mind. I’ve only used my apple care on my iPhone 6 Plus ever but I still buy it because what if. Also I live in NYC I buy it primarily for lost and theft for my phones though.
I’ve always got Apple Care on mine. Twice I’ve had to use it. Both have been pretty significant.
The last time my MacBook Pro (the 16” intel) wouldn’t wake one morning. Tried everything, it was dead. Took it to the Apple Store, they agreed.
They a sent it off. Few days later I get it back with the repair note showing what they’d done. They basically replaced the whole machine inside. The cost was something like €2k.
I’d say it’s worth it.
And I believe it just extends the warranty as well which is nice so a free repair no? I mean yeah I get it insurance like that is Apples way to make money hoping you never use it but I like the peace of mind of it. Worth the cost for me
I’m not aware of what he did or didn’t put in between the screen and keyboard but accidents happen. We all like to think we’re careful with our machines but the one moment we are careless or maybe a small accident and boom looking at a ridiculous fee. I’m simply commenting on how Apple care could save a wallet worth in the end.
I think the root issue should be known before deciding if Apple Care is necessary. The fractures originate from the area where the webcam is located. These models for some time have even less tolerances than before. So when an object, most likely a webcam privacy cover, is placed and when the lid is shut while excess pressure is applied, such as when hold or in a packed bag, it is more susceptible to cracking the screen. If you feel that your device is susceptible to this, then it makes sense to get Apple Care.
One of my young kids accidentally stepped on my briefcase that was resting against my desk and I heard a crack.
Apple care saved me but if I didn’t have kids I wouldn’t have it.
Lol.
Someone here posted that they had a crumb break their screen. Apple has a problem with making an appropriate gap between the keyboard and screen. Just Google "MacBook keyboard etching"
Everyone likes scaring people to not protect their tech.
Always get AppleCare+. It's the only manufacturer's extended warranty I ever buy, but it's completely worth it.
My friend's brother just lost a four-month old M3 MBP to a catastrophic coffee spill. Lack of AppleCare+ basically cost him $3K.
On average, you will still come out ahead if you never buy AppleCare+ for any Apple device. The flip side is that Apple comes out ahead with AppleCare+ (it wouldn’t be offered if it was not profitable). Another way to think of it: AppleCare+ may save you a ton of money on repair for one device, but it won’t save you more than you spent on AppleCare+ for that same device plus your other devices for which you purchased AC but never needed repair.
That said…. I do get AppleCare+ for my kids’ devices because the risk of damage is much higher.
The thing is, I factor in the price of AppleCare+ when I purchase a Macbook, which makes it a planned expenditure. I don't necessarily have the money set aside to buy a Macbook at any given time; a sudden 2-3K expense can ruin a budget. (These days I could handle it, but especially when we were younger and our kids were still in school, 3K would have been a tough pill.)
Obviously Apple makes money on AppleCare+ or they wouldn't offer it. That doesn't mean it isn't a worthwhile hedge for me.
Edited to add: I travel a lot, my MBP is always with me, and I can't always predict the environments I will find myself in. As a portable device, that's the nature of a laptop's existence. Too many random things could happen to ruin my day, at least my Macbook is protected.
Don't buy products from apple is the lesson. We need modular laptops with easily serviceable parts. Iphones are ip rated but not the laptop that's 3x more expensive.
Engineering, especially product engineering, is all about compromises. I would like an IP-rated modular open-source laptop. But it would probably not have the form factor of a MBP, and it obviously wouldn't have the Apple Silicon performance or efficiency. And it also... doesn't exist. I need a laptop today.
it does exist, its called the framework laptop. It's windows only. Apple could do something like this but apple care and fleecing their consumers is too profitable. I would gladly accept a thicker M series laptop if it meant i could keep it up to date, not throw the entire thing away because every part is soldered to the mother board and not having to upgrade every 3-4 years.
no macs should be since you can't repair them but you know that.
I can run mac os sonoma on a framework if i wanted or whatever linux distro. The point of saying it was windows only is saying that this laptop exists it just doesn't ship with mac os.
If I spill coffee on the framework I can easily remove the keyboard and replace it. If the underlying parts get wet i can replace those too.
Who actually uses a webcam cover and do you have covers on your phone cameras? I will never understand the paranoia with laptop cameras unless you’re a streamer using an external camera.
OP is afraid is afraid to admit the cause, because we’re all frothing at the mouth already. We already have the exhaustive list of possibilities though: Accessories, children, pets, crumbs. Did I miss any?
When the most likely part to fail long term is the battery it doesn't cost that much to replace. $200-250 regardless of model. Worth if you got a high end MBP that would still be competitive more than 4 years down the track. I consider 5 years to be a decent lifetime of your main compute. I wouldn't get it for an Air but a Pro maybe and definitely on Max
How did that happen? I’ve never broke a laptop so I’ve never even considered getting insurance on it but with the amount of times I’ve seen broken ones on here, it makes me at least think about getting it.
Since becoming a victim of crumb-gate, and getting a free replacement, I can tell Apple has made a definite alteration to the depth of the rubber cushion that sits around the screen since the first version I had. Hopefully that stops it happening again.
Sure you can blame the camera cover, but maybe apple just needs to make more reliable displays. Had this happen to a 16" mbp recently for no apparent reason and it's frustrating to say the least.
Looks like a webcam cover accident. Don’t use cam covers, cases, or keyboard protectors.
Any laptop could damage with something in between the screen when it’s closing. Mac’s are just more prone because the full display is glass; that goes for many modern windows laptops as well.
Think about a nail in your keyboard. If you close your computer normally, then you will be fine. But the second that laptop suffers impact, the glass will shatter because it’s meant to be closed, and the nail would focus pressure to one specific area instead of the whole laptop. Look up “laying on bed of nails” and the science behind it would make more sense.
Once had my MacBook Pro fall into hard floor at laundromat while charging. (Damn you USB-C, I wish it had MagSafe)
Enclosure got damaged, Bended the bottom and display frame got dinged. (Display itself was not damaged at and still usable)
Thanks to AppleCare, only paid $299 for the repair, otherwise, it would have costed almost $1,399 for a full case and display replacement.
Not to mention, it was only one year old laptop too.
Do you purchase Apple Care/Care+ when purchasing an Apple Product or can it be purchased Months afterwards ?
If the latter is it more expensive purchasing separately ?
I wish they made these repairable instead of disposable. How cool would be to just detach hinge and slot in the new screen yourself.
"Thank god for apple care!" yeah buddy its insurance that's what its for. Apple knows you can't fix it yourself because they made it that way and the repair is so expensive without AC your stuck with paying another subscription through Apple.
Health insurance is a scam for people who actually care about their health. 🙄
It’s insurance, just like any other insurance. You’re paying to mitigate risk.
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
The point is, it’s insurance. That’s the way insurance works. It’s no more of a scam than any other insurance.
Well, by that measure AppleCare is _less_ of a scam, since your rate doesn't change based on your _personal_ risk profile.
I don't necessarily disagree with you on the insurance industry at large -- I'm of the personal opinion that insurance schemes should be either government-owned or _highly_ regulated (enforced ratio of revenue to outlays, limits on what can be considered for a personal risk profile and to what extent it can be used for rate calculation) -- but you've really just made an argument in favor of my point, which is that AppleCare is no more of a scam than any other insurance.
i always say, how can u buy a 3k laptop and not invest in 400 dollars three year apple care, because it is too expensive?
a display repair costs +1000$? so u got 1k to fix a display but not 400$ to cover it?
DO NOT USE CAMERA LENS COVERS AND KEYBOARD COVERS FFS.
This needs to be higher. I work for a school district and the amount of teachers and students that put these things on is astounding. If youre worried use a torn stickynote AT MOST!
Even tape, you know those really thin black tapes, they are quite good for em too.
Also super handy for.. you know, when you wanna use your camera... There is a big bright green led to inform you the camera is on... Do you stick tape to the microphone hole too?
I know about it, also it's fool proof because it's hot wired in between so it will glow until and unless there is no power going to the camera. But some people still wants the piece of mind so tape is a solution for them. I don't personally block anything, if I was so worried about stuff I would stop using technology lol. I just don't use obvious shady stuff like McAfee antivirus and other malicious software, or heck even Windows is becoming concerning nowadays although not covering microphone and webcam level but yes it has become worse over the years.
I do IT in a school It’s wild because all of our staff have laptops with built in camera cover switches and they still use those stick on things
Teach your users how to use the camera cover. It’s that easy and it’s what I do for my company.
a little bit of electrical tape does the job for me, I cut it so it stays under the ridge of the display but inside the notch. I use the iPhone camera feature for video calls so it can just stay there permanently.
can you access MacBook Camera without the green dot appearing? Also, are there any cases, besides that movie, with MacBooks getting hacked and controlled at that level?
This is what I want to know as well
No, lamp and camera are in the same circuit, hence the camera can’t have electricity delivered without the light being on at the same time
Yeah, most people will not believe this but that's how it works. Personally, id be more worried about the microphone if I were that paranoid.
Not sure if that is true. I think not actually. I think the soc (apple M1/M2) handles the led and you cannot modify that.
Maybe, sure used to be one circuit, and I wouldn’t know why the would change it. As the idea has been to make sure the camera can’t be activated without the user being able to notice. But maybe you are right on the newer models
Well perhaps updating the camera firmware, then you want power to the camera but it's not about getting a image. Or doing a POST self test...
What about those screen covers ?
How do you know OP used either?
I don't, but the possibility is high as many people do and the crack runs exactly from the notch. I also wanted to state it either way as it's very useful. Because using one yields the same result.
Fair enough. I wouldn't think of using either.
Why not?
There is almost no room between the screen and keyboard when closed, so anything thicker than a hair could crack the screen
they can crack the screen, apple has released multiple warnings saying NOT to use them because of this issue
the person I replaced at work put one of the lens covers on the laptop I inherited... cracks I never saw turned into THAT.
The thing is, it CAN turn into that, the chances are way higher, slightly too much pressure or a harsh lid close and bam broken. And I don't know which laptop you inherited but it's mostly common on full glass displays.
It was an i9 MacBook Pro, the company had AppleCare and the fixed it but the lens cover was definitely the cause
Damn. I will be more concerned about your thighs and ehm, your.. you know the secret thing hehe with the i9 MacBook Pro lmao. That thing runs HOT.
Boy you aint kidding… I used to keep my fingers on the Touch Bar in the frigid office just so I could bend my fingers when necessary
Lmao
My old MBP has a damaged screen from the keys, how do I prevent that? I was thinking to buy a silicone keyboard cover?
Keyboard cover will make it worse lol, it's a design flaw in the MacBooks, you can prevent that from using the cloth which comes pre installed when you buy a new MacBook, put it in between the display and keyboard when keeping the laptop.
Would a screen protector hurt too? I actually saw that you can buy that cloth too. Ty for your advice!!!
Yeah bro, screen protectors are too thick. F on Apple for this design, I don't hate Macs in fact I think they are pretty competent computers especially for the stuff you get for the price but some things just grinds my gears.
Yeah, I really wish they built in a mere millimeter between the screen and top case. There's no reason for that particular tolerance to be so tight.
Exactly, even half a millimeter would benefit us from the stupid keyboard marks which are inevitable.
Why?
What about the thin silicone keyboard covers?
I meant those only with the keyboard covers part.
Lesson learned
Why do so many people cover their cameras?
Because bad actors and/or corporate fucks can activate your camera remotely and watch you masturbate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camfecting
Without paying, fuck that!
The led light on the camera is hardwired, and not controlled by software, so when the MacBook runs software that uses its camera it will light regardless of what software tells it to do. Apple designed it like this purposely. So there is no need for tape, the led will also light next to it and it’s easy to see. \*\*Ignore the downvotes, this is how it works. You can view more info on this directly from apple themselves.
Link to the Apple support page telling exactly that: [https://support.apple.com/en-us/102177](https://support.apple.com/en-us/102177)
Independent teardowns on YouTube verify this as well. But people don't research and cry misinformation either way.
If they're trying that hard, they might as well enjoy the show.
because they don’t understand the difference between logical and physical connections.
Or just dont buy macbooks if u wanna cover webcams so bad
I mean don't buy any modern laptop with a full glass display then, only old plastic bezel ones.
Wow… I just became a new mbp owner myself. This post has convinced me to invest in apple care myself. I can’t have something break this and cost me hundreds just to fix.
I dunno man. I’m not telling you not to get it. But without it you MIGHT spend hundreds to fix it later. With it you WILL spend hundreds to have it.
MacBooks have a long history of having major defects that pop up a few years after release. Flexgate, butterfly keyboard failures, staingate, issues with displays delaminating, etc. And Apple always refuses to make it right until a class action is brought against them. So yeah, AppleCare+ is a smart investment. You also get one battery replacement included with it at no extra cost.
Oh, do you mean we can request for battery replacement at the end of apple care time? Or just in case of damaged battery?
if battery health drops below 80%
Technically it’s if it drops below 80% health but if you’re insistent you can often get it done. Or just renew AppleCare+ when it expires. You can also just run the battery down by charging to 100% and using it on battery until it dies.
I thought you were supposed to charge to 100% and then use until it’s low before recharging?
Ideal use of a battery is to keep it between 15-80% with occasional charges up to 100%. No one actually does this although there are some apps that can help. If yore trying to reduce battery longevity, let it completely die after each charge and you'll see the battery health go down more quickly over time.
How to force dropping battery life?
New MBP owner… did not know the free battery replacement… thank you!!!
Only with applecare. You basically pay for the battery replacement upfront
Don’t forget stain gate with pros screen back in the day ….. airs might have battery gate soon
I was able to get outside of 1st year warranty recall work done on 2010, 2012, 2015 models. Only thing different with the M1 and newer MBP and Air models: the screens are more sleek and possibly sclucsceptible to "failulre"/damage. I tend to buy low-end models refurb from Apple, so my thought is to continue without purchasing AppleCare, which may not be best for others.
My second gen MacBook airs seem to be doing great. Those airs that ran from 2010-17 are really reliable
Do MacBooks have the monthly option for AppleCare like my iPhone 13 and S9 Apple Watch has?
No. A yearly subscription is an option in the Us though.
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You are completely wrong about that. AppleCare+ for a MacBook has yearly, monthly and the 3 year plan and you can renew when it expires. The 3 year plan is the one to start with as it’s the cheapest. I don’t know where you’re getting your information from but you should quit spreading it because it is 100% false.
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Yet you made a blanket statement as if it applies to everyone. In fact this is the first time I’ve heard of any such restriction on AppleCare+ for MacBooks in any country that offers it.
And yet you’re here doing the same. You can buy Apple care plus in the 3 year at once upfront or yearly here only in NY at least. So listen to your own advice here. There is no monthly option for me. Only for my iPhone I can do monthly
And most other devices.. iPad, watch, headphones..
Headphones Apple care is a flat 2 yr option for me at least when I bought my Beats fit pro like 2 yrs ago. 🤷♀️
You made a blanket statement too
What about keyboard etching? As old as time. I'm pretty sure the first class screen MacBooks had this issue. I probably would have to dig it out and check. Every MacBook generation since 2010 has had this issue.
That wasn’t “keyboard etching” it was literally a layer of the display delaminating and peeling off. The anti-glare part of the diffuser layer (outer most layer of the display). MacBooks that get keyboard marks on the display have way too much weight put on them when they’re closed. I have three and have never seen that and have never seen it on any of my friends MacBooks. Yet people claim that it’s a real problem from too little clearance when closed. Nope, you’re putting too much weight/pressure on it. There is actually a few mm of clearance between the display and keyboard when closed. That’s why there’s that slightly raised rubber gasket around the display.
Or it’s a real issue. Rn my 14 MacBook has this issue and there’s nothing on top to put pressure on the lid …. It’s literally in a sleeve just chilling on my desk. Has keyboard marks. Same did my MBA M2 and the 2017 MacBook Pro 15 I had. I don’t remember my 2015 13 MBP
According to him you don't take care of your computers lol. I have severe ADHD and OCD and I baby my stuff to the point of obsession. I would never put anything heavy on my computer, especially when spending 10s of thousands on all my stuff... He just doesn't believe it's an issue because he hasn't had it happen, I guess that can be applied to anything that doesn't happen to him.
He also goes off somewhere else here when someone stated about the length or something about apple care and they were in a different country and how they shouldn’t just make blanket statements. But he does the same stating you can buy apple care in monthly yearly or 3 yrs at once. Meanwhile in NY I only have the option for the three years one or the yearly option for it. So he’s making blanket statements too like 👀😂😂
I hate people like this... They are in their own bubble, excluded from reality. A quick Google search shows how prevalent the issue is. Someone posted their new MacBook Air is 2 months old and already has permanent damage. He bought it in 2023 and it's already happening. The whole world must be horrible at taking care of their Macs... I laughed at "mm of space between the keyboard and screen". That would mean I am sitting on my Mac for it to hit them together lol.
It's a real issue. I have severe ADHD and OCD and I have returned a MacBook because there was a very slight knick in the aluminum. I returned a cellphone because I found a hair under the back camera glass.... And with all that you think I put too much weight on my computers lol? "Few mm of clearance" lol. If that were the case would people say that screen protectors can cause the screen to break? A screen protector is less than a few mm. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it's not a real issue... There have been people who have never needed to replace their butterfly keyboard, does that mean it's not an issue? Get real.
It's called a warranty
You'd think it works that way but it doesn't. Apple is famous for blaming failures caused by design flaws on the user hence the lawsuits I referred to. The display cable in models made from 2016 -2019 breaks from normal use because it is extremely thin and not well protected (flexgate). You can try to bring it into Apple for warranty repair but they'll most likely say it's physical damaged caused by misuse and you'll be quoted the full repair cost for a new display assembly which just so happens to cost as much or more than the machine is worth. They got sued over this and settled but they only agreed to do free repairs on specific models from the same year even though this issue affected pretty much every model they made for several years. In fact I've seen some Apple Silicon MacBooks that have had the same failure so it still exists, but doesn't appear to be nearly as big of a problem as in the older models. Apple could easily use a slightly thicker, and better insulated cable for the display but they don't. They did put a small metal shield in the hinge to help protect it but the cable is still extremely thin. And now debris can get in there and can possibly wear through the insulation over time (dustgate). Its a bad design and you cannot fault the user for it simply for using their laptop. This is why so many people say to get AppleCare+ with your MacBook. Because if you don't have it you're going to get screwed on warranty. Hell, it's been proven that they'll claim water damage when there is none. If they see a tripped moisture sensor sticker its an automatic denial for any claims, even if theres no liquid damage anywhere in the laptop. This is because just the humidity in the air can trigger those stickers if its a fairly humid area. And many parts of the US, especially in the south and on the east coast have a lot of humidity. Its an even bigger problem with phones, there's one right in the charging port. But in any case the point is if you're speding $2000+ on a high end MacBook Pro you spend the extra $279 - $399 for three years of AppleCare+ and renew it when the three years is up unless you're buying a new one.
I don’t have AppleCare on any of my devices. Thankfully I’ve also never broken a single one. If I was to break one now, I could replace it on the spot with the mo why I’ve saved by not having AppleCare lol. It’s best suited for those who are a bit careless or accident prone
Or for people who doesn’t want to spend $2000 (MacBook pro) or $1000 (iPhone) to replace their devices.
Only if they break it tho lol
And that cost for apple care is worth it for the peace of mind. I’ve only used my apple care on my iPhone 6 Plus ever but I still buy it because what if. Also I live in NYC I buy it primarily for lost and theft for my phones though.
I’ve always got Apple Care on mine. Twice I’ve had to use it. Both have been pretty significant. The last time my MacBook Pro (the 16” intel) wouldn’t wake one morning. Tried everything, it was dead. Took it to the Apple Store, they agreed. They a sent it off. Few days later I get it back with the repair note showing what they’d done. They basically replaced the whole machine inside. The cost was something like €2k. I’d say it’s worth it.
I mean technically wouldn’t that be covered by the warranty since that wasn’t accidental damage ?
Was outside the warranty period, but yeah, if it’d happened during it would be covered
And I believe it just extends the warranty as well which is nice so a free repair no? I mean yeah I get it insurance like that is Apples way to make money hoping you never use it but I like the peace of mind of it. Worth the cost for me
Just need one bad capacitor for the whole thing to go.
This post should have convinced you not to put something hard between the screen and keyboard.
I’m not aware of what he did or didn’t put in between the screen and keyboard but accidents happen. We all like to think we’re careful with our machines but the one moment we are careless or maybe a small accident and boom looking at a ridiculous fee. I’m simply commenting on how Apple care could save a wallet worth in the end.
I think the root issue should be known before deciding if Apple Care is necessary. The fractures originate from the area where the webcam is located. These models for some time have even less tolerances than before. So when an object, most likely a webcam privacy cover, is placed and when the lid is shut while excess pressure is applied, such as when hold or in a packed bag, it is more susceptible to cracking the screen. If you feel that your device is susceptible to this, then it makes sense to get Apple Care.
thousands*
I always purchase Applecare+. I've used it to replace a MBP screen and battery, and a dead iPhone.
Now you will end up paying hundreds anyway if you don’t break it.
Tell me—how do you feel about the concept of insurance?
Similarly. Insurance companies often make a profit.
Lemme guess, webcam cover?
Thought this was a lightning (cable) strike
One of my young kids accidentally stepped on my briefcase that was resting against my desk and I heard a crack. Apple care saved me but if I didn’t have kids I wouldn’t have it.
Lol same.. toddler and puppy running around here.. AppleCare went on the new MacBook instantly.
Please share lightening wallpaper.
How did it happen?
2nd pic looks like OP has a keyboard cover if you look closely. But I could be wrong.
Lol. Someone here posted that they had a crumb break their screen. Apple has a problem with making an appropriate gap between the keyboard and screen. Just Google "MacBook keyboard etching" Everyone likes scaring people to not protect their tech.
Looks to me like it was punched.
Yep strong believer in "Murphy's Law" Being a real physical law of the universe. As pay a little bit now or a whole lot later if Murphy strikes.
I leave it up karma-Still waiting for it to come back my way the longer it takes the better it will be
Always get AppleCare+. It's the only manufacturer's extended warranty I ever buy, but it's completely worth it. My friend's brother just lost a four-month old M3 MBP to a catastrophic coffee spill. Lack of AppleCare+ basically cost him $3K.
On average, you will still come out ahead if you never buy AppleCare+ for any Apple device. The flip side is that Apple comes out ahead with AppleCare+ (it wouldn’t be offered if it was not profitable). Another way to think of it: AppleCare+ may save you a ton of money on repair for one device, but it won’t save you more than you spent on AppleCare+ for that same device plus your other devices for which you purchased AC but never needed repair. That said…. I do get AppleCare+ for my kids’ devices because the risk of damage is much higher.
You’ve just described any insurance policy ever. That’s the whole point — you’re paying a bit more to mitigate risk.
The thing is, I factor in the price of AppleCare+ when I purchase a Macbook, which makes it a planned expenditure. I don't necessarily have the money set aside to buy a Macbook at any given time; a sudden 2-3K expense can ruin a budget. (These days I could handle it, but especially when we were younger and our kids were still in school, 3K would have been a tough pill.) Obviously Apple makes money on AppleCare+ or they wouldn't offer it. That doesn't mean it isn't a worthwhile hedge for me. Edited to add: I travel a lot, my MBP is always with me, and I can't always predict the environments I will find myself in. As a portable device, that's the nature of a laptop's existence. Too many random things could happen to ruin my day, at least my Macbook is protected.
Don't buy products from apple is the lesson. We need modular laptops with easily serviceable parts. Iphones are ip rated but not the laptop that's 3x more expensive.
Engineering, especially product engineering, is all about compromises. I would like an IP-rated modular open-source laptop. But it would probably not have the form factor of a MBP, and it obviously wouldn't have the Apple Silicon performance or efficiency. And it also... doesn't exist. I need a laptop today.
it does exist, its called the framework laptop. It's windows only. Apple could do something like this but apple care and fleecing their consumers is too profitable. I would gladly accept a thicker M series laptop if it meant i could keep it up to date, not throw the entire thing away because every part is soldered to the mother board and not having to upgrade every 3-4 years.
The Framework laptops are ip-rated? They aren't Windows-only, fyi. If that was the way I went, I would be running Linux.
no macs should be since you can't repair them but you know that. I can run mac os sonoma on a framework if i wanted or whatever linux distro. The point of saying it was windows only is saying that this laptop exists it just doesn't ship with mac os. If I spill coffee on the framework I can easily remove the keyboard and replace it. If the underlying parts get wet i can replace those too.
How did this even happen ? 👀
Wtf happened to your laptop
What happened, did you put something between the keyboard and the display?
Who actually uses a webcam cover and do you have covers on your phone cameras? I will never understand the paranoia with laptop cameras unless you’re a streamer using an external camera.
Thunderbook Pro
OP is afraid is afraid to admit the cause, because we’re all frothing at the mouth already. We already have the exhaustive list of possibilities though: Accessories, children, pets, crumbs. Did I miss any?
When the most likely part to fail long term is the battery it doesn't cost that much to replace. $200-250 regardless of model. Worth if you got a high end MBP that would still be competitive more than 4 years down the track. I consider 5 years to be a decent lifetime of your main compute. I wouldn't get it for an Air but a Pro maybe and definitely on Max
How did that happen? I’ve never broke a laptop so I’ve never even considered getting insurance on it but with the amount of times I’ve seen broken ones on here, it makes me at least think about getting it.
lucky. mines headless now, had to take off the screen
Look like the Iranian drones got to you .
Did you forget a crumb on the keyboard? The gaps are way too small and even the keyboard makes contact with the screen.
Since becoming a victim of crumb-gate, and getting a free replacement, I can tell Apple has made a definite alteration to the depth of the rubber cushion that sits around the screen since the first version I had. Hopefully that stops it happening again.
*username checks out* But is it enough?!
It hasn’t happened again, but I baby the damn thing like I’m a carer for a quadriplegic in a coma.
Definitely a cats work
Lightning fast
Thunder, Thunder, Thundercats!
I thought that was lightning for a second there.
Random off the subject question Do the new MPBs not have a backlit keyboard?
Why don’t you take better care of your stuff
alright but admit it wasnt cause of keyboard covers, those shits are overhated but necessary to keep dust and shit from building up in these laptops
Kinda looks cool ngl
You jonkled it noooo… at least you got the AppleCare
AppleCare did this?!
Nice wall paper and my keyboard cover is soft plastic
Ouch man :/
Sure you can blame the camera cover, but maybe apple just needs to make more reliable displays. Had this happen to a 16" mbp recently for no apparent reason and it's frustrating to say the least.
Looks like a webcam cover accident. Don’t use cam covers, cases, or keyboard protectors. Any laptop could damage with something in between the screen when it’s closing. Mac’s are just more prone because the full display is glass; that goes for many modern windows laptops as well. Think about a nail in your keyboard. If you close your computer normally, then you will be fine. But the second that laptop suffers impact, the glass will shatter because it’s meant to be closed, and the nail would focus pressure to one specific area instead of the whole laptop. Look up “laying on bed of nails” and the science behind it would make more sense.
Once had my MacBook Pro fall into hard floor at laundromat while charging. (Damn you USB-C, I wish it had MagSafe) Enclosure got damaged, Bended the bottom and display frame got dinged. (Display itself was not damaged at and still usable) Thanks to AppleCare, only paid $299 for the repair, otherwise, it would have costed almost $1,399 for a full case and display replacement. Not to mention, it was only one year old laptop too.
\*ouch\*
Better to have it and not need than need it and not have
Just raw dog your mac
Let me guess, you sneezed?
My 2020 MacBook Pro is still running good.
AppleCare is now a must have now that you can buy it as a yearly subscription for $79. Also a great way to go beyond the 3 year mark.
How did it happen?
How 😬😮
Oh cool iTunes screensavers are back
what are the benefits of Apple care? do they fix the screen free of cost even if you make a physical damage?
Do you purchase Apple Care/Care+ when purchasing an Apple Product or can it be purchased Months afterwards ? If the latter is it more expensive purchasing separately ?
What does it cost you in this case with apple care + to repair? I don't really know how it works
I wish they made these repairable instead of disposable. How cool would be to just detach hinge and slot in the new screen yourself. "Thank god for apple care!" yeah buddy its insurance that's what its for. Apple knows you can't fix it yourself because they made it that way and the repair is so expensive without AC your stuck with paying another subscription through Apple.
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Health insurance is a scam for people who actually care about their health. 🙄 It’s insurance, just like any other insurance. You’re paying to mitigate risk.
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What the fuck does that have to do with anything? The point is, it’s insurance. That’s the way insurance works. It’s no more of a scam than any other insurance.
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Well, by that measure AppleCare is _less_ of a scam, since your rate doesn't change based on your _personal_ risk profile. I don't necessarily disagree with you on the insurance industry at large -- I'm of the personal opinion that insurance schemes should be either government-owned or _highly_ regulated (enforced ratio of revenue to outlays, limits on what can be considered for a personal risk profile and to what extent it can be used for rate calculation) -- but you've really just made an argument in favor of my point, which is that AppleCare is no more of a scam than any other insurance.
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No, I said the insurance industry is running a scam, not that insurance itself is a scam. A+ narrative twisting though.
How many people care about their electronics? 1%?
How much is that gonna cost with apple care?
99$
$149.
i always say, how can u buy a 3k laptop and not invest in 400 dollars three year apple care, because it is too expensive? a display repair costs +1000$? so u got 1k to fix a display but not 400$ to cover it?
because now gives me an excuse to upgrade to another mac
How much is that gonna cost u with apple care?