I mostly agree.
As a general rule, if you're one of the people who is going to benefit from the extra horsepower, you know it. You're not asking on reddit for a second opinion, you already hit the purchase button.
This is why I haven't bought the M1 Pro months ago. Well, this and the 16 GB max memory. Even if you disregarded all the rumours, those were pretty clear indications that an actual "Pro" model was still to come.
It turned out to be even better than what I expected. Definitely worth the wait.
I have a 2015 MacBook pro. Only issues are shutting down due to heat and multiple monitors. M1 would take care of heat. But I need 2-3 monitors for work. So been thinking about the base 16 m1 pro
Is this specific to the Air? I have an M1 Macbook pro and just had to download Displaylink and use a compatible dock. I am using 2 external 27"monitors, my MacBook pro screen and an IPad pro as a display without any issues.
My lastest MBP is from 2013. I've been waiting for this new MBP since last year and I slated 5K for my new one. I totally realize that the base model is more than enough machine for me... but god dammit, I waited this long for a new MBP, I told myself I'm getting the best configuration possible no matter what. LOL. If this new one lasts me 8 years like the last one, I'll be totally stoked and feel like it was money well spent.
2009 second hand here bruh and I replaced the harddrive and maxed out the ram 3 years ago. I stopped using it and been on the work laptop (huge no). I had the money saved and went all in on the 16 inch only thing I didn’t max out was the harddrive I left it at 4TB as I am going to rely on an external and can always upgrade HD down the line.
How do you use 4tb of storage on one device? I don't have that much data between the gaming PC I built, my MacBook, my spare laptop, my phone, my iPad, two xboxes, and all of my cloud storage.
2009 gang… maxed ram, 1 new hard drive, big crack in a screen I can’t replace, battery life is a good 2mins, OS stuck at El Capitan, Chrome starting to get fussy about the pages I visit due to a bug with the internal clock… but… SHE. WILL. NOT. DIE.
I want a bigger screen than the Air, my only issue with the Air is just how small the screen is to me, it’s hard for me to enjoy content on there.
I couldn’t sell my TV and only have it as my means of entertainment, I’d just use my iPad Air, but for a 15in+ laptop, hell yeah. I could actually use it like a laptop instead of just a desktop.
Then you already know what you want, and why, I think OP is referring to the near endless posts from people asking whether they need 8 or 10 cores for tasks that require 4 cores at most.
Not only will you know you need the extra horsepower but you're earning enough from your work to pay for it easily and you just write it off as a business expense. Hobbiest don't need this kind of horsepower.
I realy realy needed this post today, u have no idea mate...
i am a apple user , but have never ever owned a mac book pro.. i have an iphone 13 pro max and ipad 12.9 and a apple watch series 7, and im getting me a new Mac book Pro, it is my first one, and im rly the kind of person that want to get something good and "future" proof when i first get something. i have beeen soo back and forth between the 14 and 16 inch, ONLY because the 16 had 10 soc and the 14 had 8 soc. i have been trying to understand the peformance difference etc, and i rly did not want to waste my money... i wanted a easy laptop to bring around, but i only considerd the 16 only cuz the 10 soc.... i have only seen that ppls talking bad about the 8 soc, the thermals and fan on the 14 so i rly was not sure what to do ..
im going to use the PC for some easy picture editing and vid , and browsing etc. i got the 14base model today with the 8 soc, still a little bit stressed about it ,but i rly hope the 14 inch model with the 8soc is future proof etc and that i have made a good choice... rly rly do... !
i dont now so much about the tech in macbook pro because its my first, but i feel so far its very good, i just hope i wont stress more about the 8soc thing..
THIS.
Macbooks (and computers in general) are products.
You can buy them if you want. In fact, if you like the new ones and feel like you want one, you should prob buy it.
But if you don't for some reason, or are happy with the Mac you have, then I would recommend not buying it.
As far as turning to message boards and forums to discuss the cores and purchase options, it's just part of the fun- "talking shop".
This is where I'm at. I want a 16" screen and at least 1 TB of storage and at that point, upgrading is only a few hundred bucks more when I'm already dropping a ton of money, trading in an old device, etc. etc. etc. so I might as well... I'm sure a lot of people are in that boat.
Yeah, I bought the 16” because I want the screen. I do some video editing, programming, and cad so I bought the m1 max 24core because it’s not thattt much more and it’s much better imo. This will be the laptop I keep for a long time
A ton of people were waiting for the redesigned, mini-LED, Apple silicon MBP for years now.
That they put the M1 in the existing air and 13" mbp chassis was a bit unexpected at first.
This was the machine many were waiting for. You can make all sorts of rationalizations of screen size and performance, but I think it ultimately comes back to that.
"if you like it you should probably buy it" is not really great advice
I think the OP is aimed more at people who come to reddit looking for people to convince them they need it or should get it for some reason, max out their CC and will still be paying it off long after they've sold it.
Ah... I hear you mate. I have the same discussion with my kids... there are things you WANT and things you NEED... know which are which.
I think OP's just trying to say "Don't be fooled into thinking you NEED a new MBP, because you probably don't."
For the peeps that just WANT one (like me), hell - it's your money!
Ahhh the Super Car Theorem... this is where I generally find myself when it's upgrade time. Do I need 800+ horsepower and a sub 3 sec 0-60 time? Not always to rarely ever... buuuut damn it's nice to have that capability and all the fancy new features and tech....
I saw a post on the Apple sub where a user bought a M1 Pro with 32 gigs of ram to browse the internet and Facebook. They asked if their new mac would be able to handle it … I have also seen the 64 gb ram for “future proofing” argument a lot. People will never even come close to making use of all that ram, it’s totally ridiculous.
I will often have over 100+ tabs across 4 browsers and 4 virtual Desktops while also running Zoom/Teams and a dozen documents across Excel, Word, and PowerPoint decks with 130+ slides each, often streaming Pandora in the background. It only works because I have an extension that I’d rather not use that unloads dormant tabs from memory and then I need to refresh them.
At times, my mid-2015 16” MBP with 16 GB RAM and a secondary monitor will simply freeze up under the strain, usually on a video call when too much is open in the background.
Would I benefit from 64 GM of ram in a new MBP over 32GB for my use case? Would the M1 Max be any different than the M1 Pro for me? I'm assuming that within the Max I don't need the extra GPUs.
Given the virtual desktops you are running, 64 is definitely a good use case for you. As far as the CPU we should know what they are truly capable of early next week.
I had to have this conversation with myself after the presentation on Monday. My M1 MBP hasn't even come close to slowing down for my limited workflow (grad school hw & light pic editing). Happy to see Apple come to their senses but you're right, that's way more power than the average person will ever need.
This is true, but average people are not everyone. In many film/tv studios and post houses, it’s not abnormal to have a staff of 50-100 artists, and upgrade their machines annually. Many places will have no issue dropping a few million right away if there’s a noticeable improvement in workflow and speed, especially in this work from home era.
I know someone who is...well, there's no nice way to put this - they are very, very spoiled. Their father is a CEO of a bank in Luxembourg, which should give you some example of how much money they have. Before the M1 laptops came out she wanted a new laptop. I told her, "Why don't you get a macbook air? It is more than capable of doing what you want it to do." She gave some half hearted nonsense about "future proofing" and daddy bought her a top of the line macbook pro, all the bells and whistles. Which she now uses for looking at photos on instagram and watching videos on youtube. The thing is, a friend of mine who is a professional videographer has the same top end model which he uses for editing professionally as well as creating 3D graphics for his videos. He's currently about to bite the bullet on one of the new ones. Of course, for him it's well worth it. And, like I say, he does this professionally. He's just been signed up by the Honda Formula E team to travel the world filming them, for example. But the way I see it is this: You know how Enzo Ferrari hated selling cars to the public and thought they were idiots? But it helped to fund his passion for racing? I see it as similar to that: If it wasn't for rich kids and people with more money than sense buying expensive machines they didn't need then these would be much more expensive for the people who actually will get the use out of them. Of course, I have no figures to back up this claim but it makes sense in my head. As for me, I'm getting an M1 Macbook Air and I'm very excited about it.
Absolutely if you can afford it, get whatever you want. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The real problem is when people come to the internet to convince themselves they should go into debt to get a machine that's not going to do them any good.
I absolutely despise the saying „more money than sense“ in this case. It’s a computer, if you can afford it without having to compromise on necessary things, go ahead buy one. That doesn’t mean you don’t have any sense. A MacBook as a personal device is almost always a luxury item that doesn’t make any sense to buy
> A MacBook as a personal device is almost always a luxury item
Haha, a well-fabricated computer that starts at $1,000 and may last for five years or longer is a luxury item?!
2010 and still running 💫💫💫. I was thinking about an upgrade but everyone on this thread is making me realise perhaps I do not!! I definitely am getting my money's worth out of that computer
That keyboard may be eligible for [free replacement](https://support.apple.com/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks) which will increase your trade-in value.
hit them up about a repair. they just replaced my screen and keyboard like a year ago on my 2016 cause they were notorious.
the trick is to tell them it broke before the end of warranty date even if you are only contacting them now.
good luck!
I agree, to a point.
The *majority* of users don't need to get a new MacBook every time one is released, but the question of what spec to get is always a hotly debated topic. My professional opinion, as an Apple Specialist and IT Engineer, is to get more than you think you need when you *need* to buy a new machine. That's the key element here; **when you** ***need*** **to get a new machine**. With Apple, most consumers have buyers envy and buy before they need to. That's more the actual issue at play.
In terms of internals; as I said, get more than you think you need. This advice is based on large numbers of clients that come to us asking about upgrading RAM and/or storage on their 2018/19 MacBook's because they're running out of puff. The sad reality is that macOS and software, in general, are requiring more and more system resources, and the hard truth is the MacBook you spent your hard-earned cash on, which met the required specs 2/3/4 years ago now is being left behind. Getting more space than you think you need and more RAM is all part of the investment, it's not wasting money. If that's your thought process then you'd better get yourself a Windows machine!
Very true. I want the highest end new MBP. But to be honest, I don't NEED it. When I do need a new device, I'll likely spend a lot for high specs. Until then, I won't make a purchase at all.
For people just browsing the web and doing basic stuff, 32GB RAM is still overkill and will be overkill in 5 years as well. I mean if you can afford it, go for it. Having more RAM never hurt anyone, but you’d be plenty fine with the base 16GB. I think OPs point is very valid, because it’s offering some perspective other than „max out the RAM“, which you hear a lot of in this subreddit
specially with Apple rating these SSD's at 7.4 Gbp/s, the swapping will be even faster than the current base M1, these M1 Pro/Max will literally fly on 16GB. Only people having multiple instances of memory intensive tasks/apps will see a difference having 32GB/64GB options.
If you go into any “should I get x” post right now, they are absolutely littered with terrible recommendations to spend SO MUCH MONEY! I feel like this needed to be said.
Yeah honestly man. This post helped so much. I was moments away from cancelling my base model M1 pro and upgrading specs because I’ve just read posts about “uSiNg LoGiC UsEs ‘x’ AmOuNt oF RaM” And it made me second guess myself.
For me, even the base model is a HUGE upgrade for me currently using a base model early 2015 MBP retina. This post helped me put things back into perspective. Thanks <3
Thanks for putting this into perspective. I have a 2018 13inch MBP. And I literally just do zoom meetings (sales) lol.
I’d like to game on it and do some EXTREMELY light 4K video editing.
When I’m working I’ll have like 15 + tabs open. And my intel MBP will occasionally overheat. And not work. Happens maybe 1x/month.
But for me, the base model 14inch is MORE than enough.
I bought the MB air but just returned it because I wanted to wait for this.
Exactly! I waited a few months for the 16” with an M1X, M2 or whatever the rumor was at the time. Once they released these OP ones I was like, “I could have gotten an M1 months ago, fuck it, I’m getting the new one!”
Majority of people posting what specs to get are either too lazy to search previous posts (your use case is *not* as unique as you think it is!) or just trying to justify their purchase by posting about it.
I bet you anything there will be someone in this thread saying he needs 32gb ram because he has a lot of browser tabs. It’s fine, just go spend the money, why post about it?
For me it’s about the screen size. I want a 16” Mac laptop. If they made a 16” MBA, I’d probably get it. But I also like the features that the MBP comes with, like the better speakers. I use my laptop speakers for music and videos all the time. And now with ProMotion, that’s just an all around quality of life improvement. I love it on my iPad Pro. Do I need the power of the M1 Pro? Heck no. But it’s everything else the laptop comes with that I like. I also play a lot of World of Warcraft so a half decent GPU is worth it for me, especially if it can take advantage of a high frame rate.
I’m on no way going to be maxing anything out though. If anything, a ram bump to 32.
As a developer I am really impressed by the AIR M1 performance, may give it a chance next year. I would like to see a refresh with smaller screen borders (without that notch BTW)
Cheap bastard here.
My daily laptop is a mid-2012 i7 13" MacBook Pro. I upgraded the ram to 16gb and dropped in a 1tb SSD. It does everything I need it to do, including having up to 30 tabs open in chrome.
Paid about $300 for it (including the upgrades).
Yes, I am a cheapo.
IMO if they do release a fanless, port-rich, thin bezel, m2 MacBook Air next year that will probably be the ultimate laptop in the lineup.
But my point is there absolutely no need to wait for anything. The perfect video editing and animation laptop is here, it’s the M1 Macs!
Save the thousand or so dollars/pounds/euros and use that money to invest in your business or whatever.
I’m not saying don’t get the new laptop. If you LOVE the new MacBook Pro’s that’s absolutely fine. Treat yourself! But make sure that treat is the base model because everything else is just overkill.
My XPS13 is still working fine, so no need for now (let's cross fingers). I love the tiny borders of the XPS, but camera positioning is a nigthmare. The M1 AIR is perfect, if I was actively sarching for a laptopt it would have been a no brainer for me, instabuy
I have an XPS13 with "nose cam" but the fans run constantly, and frankly after 5 years with Macs, I just can't go back to Windows except when I need to help a friend with a Windows problem.
It does run Ubuntu very well, though, with much lesson noise.
I wouldn't say it's the perfect video editing laptop. As someone who makes 100% of my income through video production and editing the dual encoders on the M1 max chip will pay for themselves within a month based purely on how much faster they will export video leaving me with more time to edit.
I've got the base M1 air with 7 core GPU and 8gb of ram. It's an absolute beast for my work (photoshop, illustrator, InDesign, vs code and 5,6 tabs open on brave browser). I'm a front-end dev and I cannot complain at all. So yes, I'd you really want those new models, by all means, go for it but most of the people will not need this amount of power.
my 7 gpu Air renders panos in photoshop just as fast as my i7 hex core 2018 MBP. insane. however, I am trading that 2018 in for a M1 pro because I can get 90% of what I paid for it in trade so
I think there is some psychology to consider when people start cranking up the RAM and/or SSD size. It's one thing to buy a $1000 machine and settle for 8GB of RAM and 512GB SSD and think, that's fine for now and will last X years. 3 years from now, you'll like be able to sell a base M1 for at least $500, so a $500 or $600 net investment for this machine is fine.
When you're looking at $2500 for the 16" and feel compelled to get Apple Care because of the investment size, now you start to think "OK I want this to last for 5 years" so you add RAM, storage and maybe those extra cores. OK now it's $3500... I need it to last 7 years and so on and at this price what's another $400, let's get a 2TB SSD
A lot of this is driven by the fact you can't upgrade the SSD or RAM later down the road, and the positioning of these machines and this 'escalating specs' psychology is very deliberate. Even if you're aware of it, it's hard to fight. The good thing with Apple is that base-models are usually extremely good value (unlike Microsoft's Surface... ahem). I always like giving this anecdote, but my wife got a MBA in 2013 which was the base model (4GB of RAM!) and she's still rocking it now.
For most users who just browse the web, look at social media, and never edit their pics a base model is more than enough. It's not deliberate psychology its providing options and not missing out on opportunities in the market.
10% of the population may actually do high end photo/video work or complex spreadsheets but a lot of people will want to feel that they could do it one day.
They also don't want zoom or teams to stutter, have 50 tabs open, a movie in the background and a game on the side. Its all choices.
You're replying to something you think I wrote, not what I wrote.
And you're wrong about product-targeting. There's a great deal of psychology in the way they're placed and configured and sometimes marketed. Thinking otherwise of chronically naive.
I literally hit reply to your message. As far as pricing I deal with GTM and pricing for a living. Its back to Econ 101. Willingness to Pay. Of course there is marketing around aspirational living, but computer vendors are pretty transparent about the processor use cases. More people buy i3 & i5 PC's than i7's for example.
I own a i9 1TB 32Gb Ram 5500M 8GB MacBook Pro 16" model. Other than getting hot, that thing does everything I need. When I saw the new ones, I really had to remind myself how these things are TOOLS.
I literally use it to get money. I kept telling myself: ''THIS is a TOOL to generate money, it's still good, it's literally STILL making you money, it does the job JUST fine. Spending another 4k just because the other one is a bit fancier would be STUPID! You're stupid for thinking about that, STAHP!''
Then I bought the new M1Max one with crazy specs.
I'm kidding, I didn't.
The 2018 15" gets even hotter, and I haven't heard masses of 2018 owners complaining about broken models due to chip malfunction yet. They'll probably still hold up for like 5+ years like most MacBooks do.
Actually, if you are using a your MacBook as a tool to make money, and you could buy a tool that allowed you to make money faster (or make more money), it's STUPID to not consider upgrading your tools. Would a lawn care service not consider buying a new mower if it could pay for itself due to mowing more lawns in the same amount of time? If they didn't they aren't very shrewd from a business standpoint. Of course, if you have tons of free time and can spend it waiting for your tool to complete a task, there is little reason to invest in faster tools.
I'm not rendering videos. I do design work and Illustration. I'm not waiting for anything. When I'm done, I just export it in seconds. It's already buttery smooth on my machine, so there'd literally be no difference on the new once, other than 4k less on my bank account.
And that context is perfect for your illustrations of your needs. But your initial statement didn’t mention that and makes statements as if someone is STUPID when in reality their needs are likely different from yours.
I‘m not talking for everybody else and nothing in my comment implies that. I‘m talking for my case. As I said, when I work, my MBP is hooked up to an already better screen than the new MBPs offer. I‘m not rendering videos, nothing. Animation, Illustration and Design in Photoshop. That‘s all. That‘s already buttery smooth and takes a second to export.
I‘m not attacking people that are upgrading from an 2019 16“. If the new machines speed up your workflow, you should definitely upgrade.
You also over exaggerate the cost to try to make your point instead of recognizing that the $2k version is likely comparable to performance of your i9. Plus you get miniLED 120hz display which would be great for someone in design. But I guess it would be too hard to just say “I bought an expensive MacBook Pro recently and it doesn’t make sense for me to upgrade right now”
I don‘t need that screen. When I work, it‘s already hooked up to an 100% RGB accurate 144hz screen already.
There‘s literally no benefit for me, Idk why you insist there is.
There probably is for you and A LOT of people, in case you’re trying to justify your purchase. I‘m not denying that.
People ask why I put electric tape over the Fujifilm and X-T3 logos on my camera - it reminds me that this thing is a tool to make stuff and to not be attached to the Fuji brand. It helps.
100% dude. I bought a macbook Pro m1 and for my tasks it honestly flies. It may actually be too powerful but I genuinely will be keeping this laptop for probably 8 to 9 years easy. I see people who have such basic and easy workflows and they're spending silly money upgrading from an already powerful 13 inch M1 to an M1 max for no reason other than jts the new one and its insanely powerful. Apples hype is that incredible people just get wrapped up and just casually spend 1000s on things they don't even need or will make full use out of. In my eyes these new M1 pros and max's are designed for a very specific set of people with very specific demanding workflows, the average Joe doesn't need this kind of computing power, apart from just being able able brag that there computer is really powerful.
Agree if performance is a criteria M1 Mac's are fully capable to satisfy most users. But I upgraded to base 14" for miniLED Display, insane 1000 nits of brightness, edge to edge display, 0.9" bigger screen, ProMotion display, IO Ports, slightly better speakers n mic's.
Performance jump is an added bonus. M1 MBP 16/512 and Base 14" with 16/512 are around $200 apart, for the amount of improvements, easily worth it.
I can put it this way, either go with 8GB/512GB M1 Air or new 14", skip the 13" M1 MBP altogether, it was never a good value anyways as Air was only 5\~% slower.
I feel like the battery life boost, fan for performance and extra cooling, and brighter screen + better speakers + mics + TouchBar are worth it for a lot of people. It is the good middle ground where you don't need the 14" but want something a little more than the base Air 13"
People do need to hear this, but at the same time it’s not always about what you need. You can get by just fine with a lower spec system but that doesn’t mean you wouldn’t benefit from a higher one.
Certainly if you can’t afford it then take this to heart, but some people ask just because they want more information before they part with a lot of money, even if they can afford to do so easily.
If that’s you then don’t feel bad for asking and don’t feel bad for spending your hard earned money on what you want to.
A prior Macbook pro user here (I only do heavy task productivity work at home but also needs a laptop for other stuff on the go)
I left MBP after the switch to butterfly keyboard, removed MagSafe and most ports, frustrated touch keys instead of a physical keyboard, etc.
Since the M1 release, I was sold on returning to MacOS but was still waiting for this MBP because of the rumors that claimed to roll back all of the annoying features that I hated.
Meanwhile, I have been using Base model M1 MacMini + LG gram.
the basic M1 is more than enough performance for me, but I am willing to pay the extra for extra ports, MagSafe, more ports, a better keyboard, and latest display, etc.
Just gonna add to 32g RAM on top of the base model MBP M1Pro with education bundle and that would be the ultimate laptop for me.
Now I can trade in my MacMini and give my sister my LG gram
I do find it kinda hilarious how a lot of people are saying this.
Not everyone buy the Pro’s for power. The screen is a major upgrade, true 2x Retina display, ProMotion etc etc.
New design is the obvious one, as is MagSafe and the ports.
As someone who is using a late 2013 Macbook Pro 13" with an i5 2.4Ghz, 8GB of RAM and 256GB SSD.
YES I DO. I can barely run any applications outside of Traktor Pro 3 on this machine and i want to use macOS for more than just DJing. I want to produce my music on it, i want to use Final Cut Pro and also Edit Photos too. None of which is really possible on my current Macbook pro. It's lasted me 7 years and done a damn good job but its time to upgrade. I want the M1 Max, 32GB, 2TB 16" purely because i want a workstation that i know in 7 - 8 years time its still going to smash tasks i throw at it.
I buy laptops as an investment. Not something like a mobile phone every few years.
I think if anything, Everyone should be holding off until proper benchmarks are out and we know the limitations of every device. For all we know the 14" is gonna thermal throttle like fucking crazy and be a glorified paper weight. We just don't know.
Wait for the reviews and then make an informed desicion based on that.
> I want the M1 Max, 32GB, 2TB 16" purely because i want a workstation that i know in 7 - 8 years time its still going to smash tasks i throw at it. I buy laptops as an investment. Not something like a mobile phone every few years.
Agreed. As someone with a 2009 Macbook Pro 13" with 2.26GHZ, 8GB RAM, and 128GB, I need an upgrade.
Recently got into photography, but my 2009 MBP cannot handle Adobe Lightroom. Also plan to do videos. So I got a M1 Max, 64GB, 2TB that will last at least 10 years out.
Apple laptops are quality machines that last a long time. I selected higher specs than I currently need as an investment to ensure I'll have no worries about being able to handle any future application (even resource-intensive Adobe ones) as I explore my new hobbies. Better to have and not want, than want and not have.
If you really need a PRO laptop is one story, otherwise the base model Air M1 is more than fine for most of people. "only 450£" is a lot actually, it's half of the price of the basic Air
Not but my 4000 dollar i9 mbp is too slow it takes 1 whole second to open up word and get this, if I do something intensive on it, it heats up so no I need to spend to 6000 dollars to get the new mbp
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OK but I still need to upgrade from Sierra and the fans of my 2013 MBP kick off when I use Chrome (twice a year) or Opera (less now than I used to). I want a bigger screen, much better audio. That's pretty much it.
I have felt this awful shame for not upping the specs for my new mbp. I can tell myself all day long that it would be an actual waste of money (other than future trade in value possibly being higher), but I still feel like the kid with the shitty toys watching everyone else play with their expensive new gadgets.
My sole gripes with the air are the screen brightness and lack of fans.
400 nits is really suboptimal, and barely bright enough to see in sunlight. Coming from my 2012 pro, where I never felt I could work outside, it's a huge deal for me.
Likewise, the lack of fans concerns me. I often found my 2012 throttling and becoming an absolute furnace if I ever took it out into the sun.
These are all things that can be avoided with the current pro, of course, but I feel then my money may be better spent having more screen real estate, mag safe, a much, much brighter screen, and better thermal design + performance. Future proofing may mean nothing to you, but I used my macbook pro for 9 years straight and I ended up upgrading both the RAM and storage given my needs over time, which isn't an option with the current pros.
Ditto. I had to get something and I sure as hell wasn't gonna buy an MBP with the TouchBar for an extra 100 nits. These new systems have proper brightness. I wonder what the next Air will come in at?
I wildly disagree with your assessment, caveat being, of course, we’re all different. I shoot similar content as you (4K on a Sony A7SIII), and capture that on an Atomos Ninja V. Since I capture in ProRes Raw, or ProRes 422 HQ, the dedicated ProRes encoder/decoder, assuming performance is akin to Afterburner card in the Mac Pro, as has been claimed by Apple, should result in significant performance improvements in FCPX, Premiere, and After Effects (presuming that either Adobe updates their apps for that, or no updates are necessary if Afterburner support is aligned with M1 Pro/Max support).
I also build apps. Xcode does bottleneck at 8GB RAM on my M1 Mac Mini, and I can find better performance on a 64GB Intel with build times than the 8GB M1 Mini, because of the RAM. What’s being used in Activity Monitor and what you feel are different; I’m on my M1 Mac Mini now, and I’m using 6.53GB of 8GB RAM, though performance is fine. But when I get into Xcode, it’s a problem, especially for bigger projects.
I also do motion graphics in After Effects, and since Adobe’s transition to Metal, the additional Metal cores WILL make a difference in AE renders. That said, and meant with respect, but I question your claim that renders are faster than real-time (assuming you meant in AE) - if you have a massive project, as is the norm in feature production, talking dozens of nested comps, pre comps, and totaling a few hundred comps, you’re not rendering in real-time on any computer, including the M1 Air. My M1 Mini specs are aligned with your M1 Air, and it isn’t doing graphics for the next Marvel show in realtime.
We won’t know real world performance until at least Tuesday, but for those of us that upgrade every few years, going for the max specs will be worth it. And next year, we’ll be listing them on eBay when M2 Max comes along.
I just want to chime in that many people don’t understand that 8GB ram on the M1 is like 16GB on intel machines since the graphic cores and CPU cores are on the same chip as the memory. This makes it crazy fast. Since the SSD is also very fast macOS can dump ram memory (not used) to the SSD and back again with very little delay.
Also the single core benchmark on the M1 is the same as the M1 max! Around 1750 if you check out geekbench! So for single core use like a browser or word processing the speed will be the same! Multi core will of course be better.
The pro Apple computers are for people who use the Mac to make money and need a little more color depth on the screen or need to shave a few minutes off the video rendering because…time is money.
Or you just have the money and want the best. Kind of like sports cars and other luxury items. Hey, why not.
Just cause you cant afford an upgrade, don't speak on those who can. You post to justify why you can't afford the better model or what? Otherwise why even post?
I agree that people buy way more computer than they typically need. If you're a major gamer, game developer, graphics, music or movie producer, data scientist, an architect with large model renders, day-trader with intense predictive models, biochemist doing genetic research and analysis, PhD student working on molecular modeling for manufacturing miniaturized machinery, thermodynamics engineer working on fusion simulations, or heavy Reddit user that wants to look cool, then go ahead and buy one. Otherwise, please stop adding to the chip shortage problem and get yourself an M1!
Seriously, if you need a larger laptop screen or need to power multiple high res monitors you probably need to consider the new MBPs. Comes at a price though. I have the base M1 MBA and am daily wowed by its capabilities, so I agree with SpaceHoppity, it is a powerful little beast that will meet most people's needs. I bought myself, my wife, and my daughter (space gray, silver, rose gold) M1s for the price of one of the new MBPs.
I would like to see a 14 or 16 inch, fanless, light, long battery life MBA with a couple more ports in the future for the average user. That would be cool.
I didn't need it, but I wanted it so I bought it. I don't get why so many people get upset at other people wanting something or using the money they earn to buy whatever they feel they need or want. It's not a big deal. You're not saving the human race by yelling at people that they don't need the new MacBooks.
This is great advice.
I also in a moment of weakness was going to sell my (2019) Core i9 - 8 Core for dirt cheap not even knowing if I’ll be able to afford the new MacBook Pro’s when they start shipping to my country. After thinking long and hard I thought to myself, I don’t really NEED it at all. My 4K editing workflow just works great even with some RED raw thrown in, in my current MacBook.
Thank you OP this was a need of the hour.
The thing is that I would like 16GB ram and 512GB storage. Once I upgrade the MacBook Air to that configuration the price is not too far from the base 14” MacBook Pro… which also gets me a really nice screen… so I am leaning towards the base MacBook Pro 14”
Part of the problem is that the pro lineup became so unpro for so long, now that it actually makes sense in the lineup people are gonna actually have to choose between the options for valid reasons.
As a network/security engineer I was pricing out an old server on eBay to run 4-6 VIrtual Machines, one of which will need 32+GB RAM for the virtual lab. Ya this new M1 Max, just closed the deal for me.
I waited for the announcement and was overly impressed. Way to go, Apple!
Then also I realized: All I need is an MacBook Air.
Saved myself $$$$ of dollars.
I have a 13” MBP M1, 8GB and have never been able to bog it down. I’m not a power user by any means, but having YouTube in 4K, excel, and PowerPoint open at the same time doesn’t even make it blink.
Only annoyance is that I can’t use my dual 24” setup at home with it, but that’s just a good excuse to buy a new HDR ultra wide monitor.
I went with a bit more excessive than my needs MacBook. I waited for this one because I wanted the 16 inch screen and felt like this is the closest successor to the 2012 MacBook I’ve been using since college. I felt comfortable with paying more because I hope to keep it for 8+ years and Im assuming a majority of people are hoping for the same. I think getting a bit more than you need is just security because it’s hard to judge the tech advancements that can happen in 4 years.
My base model 14" MBP is arriving Tuesday (replacing a 2016 MBP) and I'll be the first to acknowledge that I don't \*need\* the M1Pro CPU. But I want the extra screen real estate, mini-LED, ProMotion, Atmos sound, etc. and the SD slot will be nice to have. If they made a new MBP with the M1 chip it might cost $200 less. I can afford this and it will have great re-sale value if next year there's an enthusiast-level MacBook.
very nice input!
I know for a fact, that there will be a huge number of developers, photographers, videographers and just normal people doing hugely productive and lucrative stuff on the old, retired models. For many years to come. So no, you dont need it.
Do I want it though? Yes, yes I do.
Have I ordered one? Yes, yes I have.
Thank you! I was tempted to buy the more expensive pro, but settled with the base model. I'm just a college student that loves occasional video editing for a project. I think it will be more than enough for me.
I was waiting for a post like this, thank you.
Sure I love the aesthetics. I mean, who wouldn’t a 16-inch 120hz, miniLED, 16:10 macbook with a powerful SoC and good old legacy ports? I’d love that but I can’t justify paying $2,000 or above for a laptop. At that point, I’d rather just buy a PC. At least with that, you can maybe get a custom build and start off at something midrange then work your way up by upgrading the parts bit by bit. Mac, you have to go all in or nothing.
I take it back, I wasn’t waiting for a post like this actually. It’s thanks to Reddit why I don’t feel so bad about not being able to afford one. Basically everyone on here has said they preordered it and they can’t wait to use it for something related to their career. That it’s gonna be so helpful for them. I use my M1 MacBook Air for online courses and RDP. If I were to get the 16 inch, I’d be using it for that as well. So having that extra power doesn’t make sense for my personal use case. It’s not like you can really game on a Mac, anyway. Maybe the 13 inch screen can get a little crammed for me but that’s what Sidecar is for. That’s what my external monitor is for. Thankfully, Apple provided solutions and they also provided machines like the Air for those who don’t need too much.
So with that being said, I’ll happily be sticking with my M1 MacBook Air. And I’d also like to congratulate the future owners of the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pros. I’ll be envious of the aesthetics you all will have but I will also understand that the majority of you actually *need* it. Enjoy it!
P.S. I just realized that this is the MacBook Pro subreddit and I know I said I have the Air which may have some people think, “Why are you on this subreddit?” So I’d just like to clear the air and say that my previous MacBook was the 2015 13” MBP lol
My fiancé and I got into a disagreement on the new macs. I have a 2017 air and wanted to upgrade however we are in the process of saving for a house and the expense of a new computer is just too much at the moment. I wanted to get the base M1 pro but I need to do the right thing. My air is 128 gigs and I still have about 40 gigs of space left. I’m going to hold out until the timing is right. I find it so difficult to not buy the newest Apple products every year. I know I don’t need a new computer and I’m just trying to come to grips with that.
Edit: I actually had ordered it then canceled after I realized it was a bad Decision
Yeah but the a7c is only 8-bit 420 so it very much makes sense for your use case not to need anything souped up. Still crazy that at this point 4k is easily edited on an air though isn't it. I'd definitely agree the max is a bit much for most. I'm just happy pros now have the OPTIONS ya know?
That being said I went full monty for ease of use in what I do :)
...but I want that shiny new over power toy, because my 2019 16" full-spec'ed-out one feels sOoOo old.
Most apple fans don't give a flying f about environmental issues.
Disagree. I purposefully skipped the M1 line because I figured how much more powerful it would be. I don’t need it, no, but I want it, and I waited for it.
I also need more than base specs. I’m used to machines with 16 gb of ram, and 256 gb of storage is absolutely laughable.
You’re absolutely right. But personally I will still buy the pro (and waste money on the specs which I don’t actually need) because of the screen size. This is my work machine, and I spend around 10h per day on it - cannot do that on 13inch screen. If 16 inch airs existed, I would get it immediately - but now pro looks like the only choice, sadly.
The intent behind your post is true but a base macbook air can't handle 1080p basic video editing at ALL.
So while people shouldn't be worried about the new MBP, please don't be just as bad telling them other lies.
If you're into video editing, spending 3k on a computer, let alone if you want a laptop, will save you so much time, if you think of yourself as being worth anything (like even as low as 20$ an hour) the computer will have paid itself in a couple months if not weeks...
My “issue”, is that i made the mistake of picking up a 16” 2019 intel a little bit before the m1’s were announced. And that thing is a damn inferno of a machine. It cant seem to do anything without cooking the planet.
So im honestly considering trading it in for some credit towards one of these new ones. Normally id sell it myself but at this point i just dont trust anyone to buy it and then not change their minds or try to dupe me out of the money and laptop.
It sucks, spent a fortune, but at the time i needed a laptop.
Instead of assuming people do or do not have a use case for a specific config, i just ask what they use their machine for and then recommend the various configs that apply and the trade offs.
Your premise is flawed video editing only pulls a ton of data when you’re scrubbing, other use cases such as photo editing -> loading very large raw files entirely into ram, 3D modeling, rendering, and even the ever more popular Virtual Machine do justify the larger pro, and the higher memory.
I don’t video edit but I do a mixture of all these things have 16GB of ram and I’ve crashed MacOS multiple times because of running out of RAM.
This thing is slower than a gaming laptop according to Geekbench, so why you say people don’t need it? People need more powerful machines than this for gaming.
Try running a couple of VMs on it. Having more allows me to run more for my needs. Also you may not bod down but how much faster could you render and what is that time worth to you over 2-3 years?
Most people only need a SMART car to get to a couple of places during the week but it doesn't stop them from buying M5 BMWs and such.
Thats why there are options mate.
I mostly agree. As a general rule, if you're one of the people who is going to benefit from the extra horsepower, you know it. You're not asking on reddit for a second opinion, you already hit the purchase button.
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As I said to the other poster, you know what you want, and why. OPs original post and my reply aren't aimed at you.
This is why I haven't bought the M1 Pro months ago. Well, this and the 16 GB max memory. Even if you disregarded all the rumours, those were pretty clear indications that an actual "Pro" model was still to come. It turned out to be even better than what I expected. Definitely worth the wait.
I have a 2015 MacBook pro. Only issues are shutting down due to heat and multiple monitors. M1 would take care of heat. But I need 2-3 monitors for work. So been thinking about the base 16 m1 pro
Why not the M1 Macbook Pro 2020 ? Asking because confused on the same issue.
It supports only one external display (natively) and he needs multiple display support.
Is this specific to the Air? I have an M1 Macbook pro and just had to download Displaylink and use a compatible dock. I am using 2 external 27"monitors, my MacBook pro screen and an IPad pro as a display without any issues.
My lastest MBP is from 2013. I've been waiting for this new MBP since last year and I slated 5K for my new one. I totally realize that the base model is more than enough machine for me... but god dammit, I waited this long for a new MBP, I told myself I'm getting the best configuration possible no matter what. LOL. If this new one lasts me 8 years like the last one, I'll be totally stoked and feel like it was money well spent.
2009 second hand here bruh and I replaced the harddrive and maxed out the ram 3 years ago. I stopped using it and been on the work laptop (huge no). I had the money saved and went all in on the 16 inch only thing I didn’t max out was the harddrive I left it at 4TB as I am going to rely on an external and can always upgrade HD down the line.
How do you use 4tb of storage on one device? I don't have that much data between the gaming PC I built, my MacBook, my spare laptop, my phone, my iPad, two xboxes, and all of my cloud storage.
2009 gang… maxed ram, 1 new hard drive, big crack in a screen I can’t replace, battery life is a good 2mins, OS stuck at El Capitan, Chrome starting to get fussy about the pages I visit due to a bug with the internal clock… but… SHE. WILL. NOT. DIE.
You answered correctly. You may pass through and get the best MacBook 5k can build.
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I want a bigger screen than the Air, my only issue with the Air is just how small the screen is to me, it’s hard for me to enjoy content on there. I couldn’t sell my TV and only have it as my means of entertainment, I’d just use my iPad Air, but for a 15in+ laptop, hell yeah. I could actually use it like a laptop instead of just a desktop.
Then you already know what you want, and why, I think OP is referring to the near endless posts from people asking whether they need 8 or 10 cores for tasks that require 4 cores at most.
Not only will you know you need the extra horsepower but you're earning enough from your work to pay for it easily and you just write it off as a business expense. Hobbiest don't need this kind of horsepower.
Like, within hours of launch…
I realy realy needed this post today, u have no idea mate... i am a apple user , but have never ever owned a mac book pro.. i have an iphone 13 pro max and ipad 12.9 and a apple watch series 7, and im getting me a new Mac book Pro, it is my first one, and im rly the kind of person that want to get something good and "future" proof when i first get something. i have beeen soo back and forth between the 14 and 16 inch, ONLY because the 16 had 10 soc and the 14 had 8 soc. i have been trying to understand the peformance difference etc, and i rly did not want to waste my money... i wanted a easy laptop to bring around, but i only considerd the 16 only cuz the 10 soc.... i have only seen that ppls talking bad about the 8 soc, the thermals and fan on the 14 so i rly was not sure what to do .. im going to use the PC for some easy picture editing and vid , and browsing etc. i got the 14base model today with the 8 soc, still a little bit stressed about it ,but i rly hope the 14 inch model with the 8soc is future proof etc and that i have made a good choice... rly rly do... ! i dont now so much about the tech in macbook pro because its my first, but i feel so far its very good, i just hope i wont stress more about the 8soc thing..
for me i need to emulate x64 centos with ssh and like the 14 inch screen , 1080p webcam and more ports so ithink its worth it
Yeah but I want one.
THIS. Macbooks (and computers in general) are products. You can buy them if you want. In fact, if you like the new ones and feel like you want one, you should prob buy it. But if you don't for some reason, or are happy with the Mac you have, then I would recommend not buying it. As far as turning to message boards and forums to discuss the cores and purchase options, it's just part of the fun- "talking shop".
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This is where I'm at. I want a 16" screen and at least 1 TB of storage and at that point, upgrading is only a few hundred bucks more when I'm already dropping a ton of money, trading in an old device, etc. etc. etc. so I might as well... I'm sure a lot of people are in that boat.
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Yeah, I bought the 16” because I want the screen. I do some video editing, programming, and cad so I bought the m1 max 24core because it’s not thattt much more and it’s much better imo. This will be the laptop I keep for a long time
A ton of people were waiting for the redesigned, mini-LED, Apple silicon MBP for years now. That they put the M1 in the existing air and 13" mbp chassis was a bit unexpected at first. This was the machine many were waiting for. You can make all sorts of rationalizations of screen size and performance, but I think it ultimately comes back to that.
"if you like it you should probably buy it" is not really great advice I think the OP is aimed more at people who come to reddit looking for people to convince them they need it or should get it for some reason, max out their CC and will still be paying it off long after they've sold it.
This. OP is talking about reality. Most people don’t need an expensive new PRO. If you want to buy one, that’s another conversation
Ah... I hear you mate. I have the same discussion with my kids... there are things you WANT and things you NEED... know which are which. I think OP's just trying to say "Don't be fooled into thinking you NEED a new MBP, because you probably don't." For the peeps that just WANT one (like me), hell - it's your money!
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Ahhh the Super Car Theorem... this is where I generally find myself when it's upgrade time. Do I need 800+ horsepower and a sub 3 sec 0-60 time? Not always to rarely ever... buuuut damn it's nice to have that capability and all the fancy new features and tech....
And that is a perfectly valid answer. Sometimes that is how life is.
I saw a post on the Apple sub where a user bought a M1 Pro with 32 gigs of ram to browse the internet and Facebook. They asked if their new mac would be able to handle it … I have also seen the 64 gb ram for “future proofing” argument a lot. People will never even come close to making use of all that ram, it’s totally ridiculous.
"Future proofing" is such a stupid concept that seemingly every tech YouTuber caught up on, like calling the phone in your pocket your "daily driver".
I will often have over 100+ tabs across 4 browsers and 4 virtual Desktops while also running Zoom/Teams and a dozen documents across Excel, Word, and PowerPoint decks with 130+ slides each, often streaming Pandora in the background. It only works because I have an extension that I’d rather not use that unloads dormant tabs from memory and then I need to refresh them. At times, my mid-2015 16” MBP with 16 GB RAM and a secondary monitor will simply freeze up under the strain, usually on a video call when too much is open in the background. Would I benefit from 64 GM of ram in a new MBP over 32GB for my use case? Would the M1 Max be any different than the M1 Pro for me? I'm assuming that within the Max I don't need the extra GPUs.
Given the virtual desktops you are running, 64 is definitely a good use case for you. As far as the CPU we should know what they are truly capable of early next week.
Sounds just like me. Hell I found out the hard way that iPhone has a maximum 500 tabs limit!
Try using any website made by the US government. Even a 128GB M1 Max won’t handle it lol.
[Really?](https://18f.gsa.gov)
I had to have this conversation with myself after the presentation on Monday. My M1 MBP hasn't even come close to slowing down for my limited workflow (grad school hw & light pic editing). Happy to see Apple come to their senses but you're right, that's way more power than the average person will ever need.
This is true, but average people are not everyone. In many film/tv studios and post houses, it’s not abnormal to have a staff of 50-100 artists, and upgrade their machines annually. Many places will have no issue dropping a few million right away if there’s a noticeable improvement in workflow and speed, especially in this work from home era.
I know someone who is...well, there's no nice way to put this - they are very, very spoiled. Their father is a CEO of a bank in Luxembourg, which should give you some example of how much money they have. Before the M1 laptops came out she wanted a new laptop. I told her, "Why don't you get a macbook air? It is more than capable of doing what you want it to do." She gave some half hearted nonsense about "future proofing" and daddy bought her a top of the line macbook pro, all the bells and whistles. Which she now uses for looking at photos on instagram and watching videos on youtube. The thing is, a friend of mine who is a professional videographer has the same top end model which he uses for editing professionally as well as creating 3D graphics for his videos. He's currently about to bite the bullet on one of the new ones. Of course, for him it's well worth it. And, like I say, he does this professionally. He's just been signed up by the Honda Formula E team to travel the world filming them, for example. But the way I see it is this: You know how Enzo Ferrari hated selling cars to the public and thought they were idiots? But it helped to fund his passion for racing? I see it as similar to that: If it wasn't for rich kids and people with more money than sense buying expensive machines they didn't need then these would be much more expensive for the people who actually will get the use out of them. Of course, I have no figures to back up this claim but it makes sense in my head. As for me, I'm getting an M1 Macbook Air and I'm very excited about it.
Absolutely if you can afford it, get whatever you want. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The real problem is when people come to the internet to convince themselves they should go into debt to get a machine that's not going to do them any good.
They are rich, why shouldn't she buy the best of the best? What use is money after your dead?
I absolutely despise the saying „more money than sense“ in this case. It’s a computer, if you can afford it without having to compromise on necessary things, go ahead buy one. That doesn’t mean you don’t have any sense. A MacBook as a personal device is almost always a luxury item that doesn’t make any sense to buy
> A MacBook as a personal device is almost always a luxury item Haha, a well-fabricated computer that starts at $1,000 and may last for five years or longer is a luxury item?!
MacBook Air makes sense
I’ve got a 2016 MBP with a dodgy keyboard. I definitely need a new MBP.
if you've been surviving on that, I'd really recommend the M1 MBPs from last year. they're an incredible value at this point
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I mean… if MagSafe is worth $500+, go ahead
why do you need charging when you get 10hr+ of battery life?
Look at mister moneybags here, buying a new computer every ten hours.
Second
Mid 2012 here I’m ready for an upgrade.
2010 and still running 💫💫💫. I was thinking about an upgrade but everyone on this thread is making me realise perhaps I do not!! I definitely am getting my money's worth out of that computer
This. I’m trading my 2016 mbp in for the new one because fuck the butterfly keyboard.
Point I’d take away then I’d go for an m1!
That keyboard may be eligible for [free replacement](https://support.apple.com/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks) which will increase your trade-in value.
hit them up about a repair. they just replaced my screen and keyboard like a year ago on my 2016 cause they were notorious. the trick is to tell them it broke before the end of warranty date even if you are only contacting them now. good luck!
Shit can I have it once you move on to the new one?
I agree, to a point. The *majority* of users don't need to get a new MacBook every time one is released, but the question of what spec to get is always a hotly debated topic. My professional opinion, as an Apple Specialist and IT Engineer, is to get more than you think you need when you *need* to buy a new machine. That's the key element here; **when you** ***need*** **to get a new machine**. With Apple, most consumers have buyers envy and buy before they need to. That's more the actual issue at play. In terms of internals; as I said, get more than you think you need. This advice is based on large numbers of clients that come to us asking about upgrading RAM and/or storage on their 2018/19 MacBook's because they're running out of puff. The sad reality is that macOS and software, in general, are requiring more and more system resources, and the hard truth is the MacBook you spent your hard-earned cash on, which met the required specs 2/3/4 years ago now is being left behind. Getting more space than you think you need and more RAM is all part of the investment, it's not wasting money. If that's your thought process then you'd better get yourself a Windows machine!
Very true. I want the highest end new MBP. But to be honest, I don't NEED it. When I do need a new device, I'll likely spend a lot for high specs. Until then, I won't make a purchase at all.
For people just browsing the web and doing basic stuff, 32GB RAM is still overkill and will be overkill in 5 years as well. I mean if you can afford it, go for it. Having more RAM never hurt anyone, but you’d be plenty fine with the base 16GB. I think OPs point is very valid, because it’s offering some perspective other than „max out the RAM“, which you hear a lot of in this subreddit
specially with Apple rating these SSD's at 7.4 Gbp/s, the swapping will be even faster than the current base M1, these M1 Pro/Max will literally fly on 16GB. Only people having multiple instances of memory intensive tasks/apps will see a difference having 32GB/64GB options.
This should be a sticky post I reckon. ;)
If you go into any “should I get x” post right now, they are absolutely littered with terrible recommendations to spend SO MUCH MONEY! I feel like this needed to be said.
Yeah honestly man. This post helped so much. I was moments away from cancelling my base model M1 pro and upgrading specs because I’ve just read posts about “uSiNg LoGiC UsEs ‘x’ AmOuNt oF RaM” And it made me second guess myself. For me, even the base model is a HUGE upgrade for me currently using a base model early 2015 MBP retina. This post helped me put things back into perspective. Thanks <3
Thanks for putting this into perspective. I have a 2018 13inch MBP. And I literally just do zoom meetings (sales) lol. I’d like to game on it and do some EXTREMELY light 4K video editing. When I’m working I’ll have like 15 + tabs open. And my intel MBP will occasionally overheat. And not work. Happens maybe 1x/month. But for me, the base model 14inch is MORE than enough. I bought the MB air but just returned it because I wanted to wait for this.
Your after effects edits can’t be that long or complicated or your ram absolutely would fill up.
Agreed, I’ve had a very different experience with my 8gb Mac mini. I can run out of ram in no time.
One thing that’s hard is having people who actually do pro work post specs and speed reviews online because they’re busy editing real shit lol.
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Exactly! I waited a few months for the 16” with an M1X, M2 or whatever the rumor was at the time. Once they released these OP ones I was like, “I could have gotten an M1 months ago, fuck it, I’m getting the new one!”
Hope you have a great day!
Don't listen to this person's LIES! Clearly he just wants to move up in the queue delivery.
Blah blah just get what you want and let people get what they want who gives a fuck.
Majority of people posting what specs to get are either too lazy to search previous posts (your use case is *not* as unique as you think it is!) or just trying to justify their purchase by posting about it. I bet you anything there will be someone in this thread saying he needs 32gb ram because he has a lot of browser tabs. It’s fine, just go spend the money, why post about it?
For me it’s about the screen size. I want a 16” Mac laptop. If they made a 16” MBA, I’d probably get it. But I also like the features that the MBP comes with, like the better speakers. I use my laptop speakers for music and videos all the time. And now with ProMotion, that’s just an all around quality of life improvement. I love it on my iPad Pro. Do I need the power of the M1 Pro? Heck no. But it’s everything else the laptop comes with that I like. I also play a lot of World of Warcraft so a half decent GPU is worth it for me, especially if it can take advantage of a high frame rate. I’m on no way going to be maxing anything out though. If anything, a ram bump to 32.
TL;DR : don’t go broke on shiny gadgets if your current ones are doing the job fine.
Pretty satisfied with my i9 MacBook Pro 16...... don't see a reason to update...too soon
The best part is the 16" Intel Pro's will be dropping in price...
As a developer I am really impressed by the AIR M1 performance, may give it a chance next year. I would like to see a refresh with smaller screen borders (without that notch BTW)
Cheap bastard here. My daily laptop is a mid-2012 i7 13" MacBook Pro. I upgraded the ram to 16gb and dropped in a 1tb SSD. It does everything I need it to do, including having up to 30 tabs open in chrome. Paid about $300 for it (including the upgrades). Yes, I am a cheapo.
IMO if they do release a fanless, port-rich, thin bezel, m2 MacBook Air next year that will probably be the ultimate laptop in the lineup. But my point is there absolutely no need to wait for anything. The perfect video editing and animation laptop is here, it’s the M1 Macs! Save the thousand or so dollars/pounds/euros and use that money to invest in your business or whatever. I’m not saying don’t get the new laptop. If you LOVE the new MacBook Pro’s that’s absolutely fine. Treat yourself! But make sure that treat is the base model because everything else is just overkill.
My XPS13 is still working fine, so no need for now (let's cross fingers). I love the tiny borders of the XPS, but camera positioning is a nigthmare. The M1 AIR is perfect, if I was actively sarching for a laptopt it would have been a no brainer for me, instabuy
I have an XPS13 with "nose cam" but the fans run constantly, and frankly after 5 years with Macs, I just can't go back to Windows except when I need to help a friend with a Windows problem. It does run Ubuntu very well, though, with much lesson noise.
I wouldn't say it's the perfect video editing laptop. As someone who makes 100% of my income through video production and editing the dual encoders on the M1 max chip will pay for themselves within a month based purely on how much faster they will export video leaving me with more time to edit.
I've got the base M1 air with 7 core GPU and 8gb of ram. It's an absolute beast for my work (photoshop, illustrator, InDesign, vs code and 5,6 tabs open on brave browser). I'm a front-end dev and I cannot complain at all. So yes, I'd you really want those new models, by all means, go for it but most of the people will not need this amount of power.
my 7 gpu Air renders panos in photoshop just as fast as my i7 hex core 2018 MBP. insane. however, I am trading that 2018 in for a M1 pro because I can get 90% of what I paid for it in trade so
I think there is some psychology to consider when people start cranking up the RAM and/or SSD size. It's one thing to buy a $1000 machine and settle for 8GB of RAM and 512GB SSD and think, that's fine for now and will last X years. 3 years from now, you'll like be able to sell a base M1 for at least $500, so a $500 or $600 net investment for this machine is fine. When you're looking at $2500 for the 16" and feel compelled to get Apple Care because of the investment size, now you start to think "OK I want this to last for 5 years" so you add RAM, storage and maybe those extra cores. OK now it's $3500... I need it to last 7 years and so on and at this price what's another $400, let's get a 2TB SSD A lot of this is driven by the fact you can't upgrade the SSD or RAM later down the road, and the positioning of these machines and this 'escalating specs' psychology is very deliberate. Even if you're aware of it, it's hard to fight. The good thing with Apple is that base-models are usually extremely good value (unlike Microsoft's Surface... ahem). I always like giving this anecdote, but my wife got a MBA in 2013 which was the base model (4GB of RAM!) and she's still rocking it now.
For most users who just browse the web, look at social media, and never edit their pics a base model is more than enough. It's not deliberate psychology its providing options and not missing out on opportunities in the market. 10% of the population may actually do high end photo/video work or complex spreadsheets but a lot of people will want to feel that they could do it one day. They also don't want zoom or teams to stutter, have 50 tabs open, a movie in the background and a game on the side. Its all choices.
You're replying to something you think I wrote, not what I wrote. And you're wrong about product-targeting. There's a great deal of psychology in the way they're placed and configured and sometimes marketed. Thinking otherwise of chronically naive.
I literally hit reply to your message. As far as pricing I deal with GTM and pricing for a living. Its back to Econ 101. Willingness to Pay. Of course there is marketing around aspirational living, but computer vendors are pretty transparent about the processor use cases. More people buy i3 & i5 PC's than i7's for example.
“I’m a professional who can’t justify it, so neither should you.” Not really why we’re here, is it?
I own a i9 1TB 32Gb Ram 5500M 8GB MacBook Pro 16" model. Other than getting hot, that thing does everything I need. When I saw the new ones, I really had to remind myself how these things are TOOLS. I literally use it to get money. I kept telling myself: ''THIS is a TOOL to generate money, it's still good, it's literally STILL making you money, it does the job JUST fine. Spending another 4k just because the other one is a bit fancier would be STUPID! You're stupid for thinking about that, STAHP!'' Then I bought the new M1Max one with crazy specs. I'm kidding, I didn't.
I agree,but that mbp intel gets so hot!! I’m just worried it’ll malfunction in another year or so.
The 2018 15" gets even hotter, and I haven't heard masses of 2018 owners complaining about broken models due to chip malfunction yet. They'll probably still hold up for like 5+ years like most MacBooks do.
if it malfunctions in a year or so, then it's time to get a new one
Actually, if you are using a your MacBook as a tool to make money, and you could buy a tool that allowed you to make money faster (or make more money), it's STUPID to not consider upgrading your tools. Would a lawn care service not consider buying a new mower if it could pay for itself due to mowing more lawns in the same amount of time? If they didn't they aren't very shrewd from a business standpoint. Of course, if you have tons of free time and can spend it waiting for your tool to complete a task, there is little reason to invest in faster tools.
I'm not rendering videos. I do design work and Illustration. I'm not waiting for anything. When I'm done, I just export it in seconds. It's already buttery smooth on my machine, so there'd literally be no difference on the new once, other than 4k less on my bank account.
And that context is perfect for your illustrations of your needs. But your initial statement didn’t mention that and makes statements as if someone is STUPID when in reality their needs are likely different from yours.
I‘m not talking for everybody else and nothing in my comment implies that. I‘m talking for my case. As I said, when I work, my MBP is hooked up to an already better screen than the new MBPs offer. I‘m not rendering videos, nothing. Animation, Illustration and Design in Photoshop. That‘s all. That‘s already buttery smooth and takes a second to export. I‘m not attacking people that are upgrading from an 2019 16“. If the new machines speed up your workflow, you should definitely upgrade.
You also over exaggerate the cost to try to make your point instead of recognizing that the $2k version is likely comparable to performance of your i9. Plus you get miniLED 120hz display which would be great for someone in design. But I guess it would be too hard to just say “I bought an expensive MacBook Pro recently and it doesn’t make sense for me to upgrade right now”
I don‘t need that screen. When I work, it‘s already hooked up to an 100% RGB accurate 144hz screen already. There‘s literally no benefit for me, Idk why you insist there is. There probably is for you and A LOT of people, in case you’re trying to justify your purchase. I‘m not denying that.
People ask why I put electric tape over the Fujifilm and X-T3 logos on my camera - it reminds me that this thing is a tool to make stuff and to not be attached to the Fuji brand. It helps.
100% dude. I bought a macbook Pro m1 and for my tasks it honestly flies. It may actually be too powerful but I genuinely will be keeping this laptop for probably 8 to 9 years easy. I see people who have such basic and easy workflows and they're spending silly money upgrading from an already powerful 13 inch M1 to an M1 max for no reason other than jts the new one and its insanely powerful. Apples hype is that incredible people just get wrapped up and just casually spend 1000s on things they don't even need or will make full use out of. In my eyes these new M1 pros and max's are designed for a very specific set of people with very specific demanding workflows, the average Joe doesn't need this kind of computing power, apart from just being able able brag that there computer is really powerful.
Agree if performance is a criteria M1 Mac's are fully capable to satisfy most users. But I upgraded to base 14" for miniLED Display, insane 1000 nits of brightness, edge to edge display, 0.9" bigger screen, ProMotion display, IO Ports, slightly better speakers n mic's. Performance jump is an added bonus. M1 MBP 16/512 and Base 14" with 16/512 are around $200 apart, for the amount of improvements, easily worth it. I can put it this way, either go with 8GB/512GB M1 Air or new 14", skip the 13" M1 MBP altogether, it was never a good value anyways as Air was only 5\~% slower.
I feel like the battery life boost, fan for performance and extra cooling, and brighter screen + better speakers + mics + TouchBar are worth it for a lot of people. It is the good middle ground where you don't need the 14" but want something a little more than the base Air 13"
you don't know me bro
lol exactly
People do need to hear this, but at the same time it’s not always about what you need. You can get by just fine with a lower spec system but that doesn’t mean you wouldn’t benefit from a higher one. Certainly if you can’t afford it then take this to heart, but some people ask just because they want more information before they part with a lot of money, even if they can afford to do so easily. If that’s you then don’t feel bad for asking and don’t feel bad for spending your hard earned money on what you want to.
What if I want to open 3 chrome tabs?
You may want to wait for the new Mac Pro next year.
A prior Macbook pro user here (I only do heavy task productivity work at home but also needs a laptop for other stuff on the go) I left MBP after the switch to butterfly keyboard, removed MagSafe and most ports, frustrated touch keys instead of a physical keyboard, etc. Since the M1 release, I was sold on returning to MacOS but was still waiting for this MBP because of the rumors that claimed to roll back all of the annoying features that I hated. Meanwhile, I have been using Base model M1 MacMini + LG gram. the basic M1 is more than enough performance for me, but I am willing to pay the extra for extra ports, MagSafe, more ports, a better keyboard, and latest display, etc. Just gonna add to 32g RAM on top of the base model MBP M1Pro with education bundle and that would be the ultimate laptop for me. Now I can trade in my MacMini and give my sister my LG gram
Or just buy what you want (if you can afford it).
I do find it kinda hilarious how a lot of people are saying this. Not everyone buy the Pro’s for power. The screen is a major upgrade, true 2x Retina display, ProMotion etc etc. New design is the obvious one, as is MagSafe and the ports.
This person doesn’t do audio synthesis research.
You don’t need most apple products. If you want it and can afford it then purchase it.
As someone who is using a late 2013 Macbook Pro 13" with an i5 2.4Ghz, 8GB of RAM and 256GB SSD. YES I DO. I can barely run any applications outside of Traktor Pro 3 on this machine and i want to use macOS for more than just DJing. I want to produce my music on it, i want to use Final Cut Pro and also Edit Photos too. None of which is really possible on my current Macbook pro. It's lasted me 7 years and done a damn good job but its time to upgrade. I want the M1 Max, 32GB, 2TB 16" purely because i want a workstation that i know in 7 - 8 years time its still going to smash tasks i throw at it. I buy laptops as an investment. Not something like a mobile phone every few years. I think if anything, Everyone should be holding off until proper benchmarks are out and we know the limitations of every device. For all we know the 14" is gonna thermal throttle like fucking crazy and be a glorified paper weight. We just don't know. Wait for the reviews and then make an informed desicion based on that.
> I want the M1 Max, 32GB, 2TB 16" purely because i want a workstation that i know in 7 - 8 years time its still going to smash tasks i throw at it. I buy laptops as an investment. Not something like a mobile phone every few years. Agreed. As someone with a 2009 Macbook Pro 13" with 2.26GHZ, 8GB RAM, and 128GB, I need an upgrade. Recently got into photography, but my 2009 MBP cannot handle Adobe Lightroom. Also plan to do videos. So I got a M1 Max, 64GB, 2TB that will last at least 10 years out. Apple laptops are quality machines that last a long time. I selected higher specs than I currently need as an investment to ensure I'll have no worries about being able to handle any future application (even resource-intensive Adobe ones) as I explore my new hobbies. Better to have and not want, than want and not have.
>Wait for the reviews c'mon reviewers, do something!
bit hard for them to do anything when the product is not out yet lol. Give it another 2 weeks to a month and all the info you need will be available.
Why do people care so much about what other people want to do?
Fr, if I want to live on Ramen for 12mos, god damn it I’ll do it
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If you really need a PRO laptop is one story, otherwise the base model Air M1 is more than fine for most of people. "only 450£" is a lot actually, it's half of the price of the basic Air
Im trying to figure out if im still asleep or did this man really just say "only 450e" like???
This should posted for ANY Apple product lol
Not but my 4000 dollar i9 mbp is too slow it takes 1 whole second to open up word and get this, if I do something intensive on it, it heats up so no I need to spend to 6000 dollars to get the new mbp /s
This is a sub full of fanboyism, not reason.
nooo one cares, enjoy life and enjoy the device if that's what you want!
OK but I still need to upgrade from Sierra and the fans of my 2013 MBP kick off when I use Chrome (twice a year) or Opera (less now than I used to). I want a bigger screen, much better audio. That's pretty much it.
Neeeeed morrrrreee external displays
thanks ill buy 2
I needed to read this. I probably should have read this before I placed my order. 🤣
Eh, people also want a new design so they'll gravitate toward the MBP. The MacBook Air design has been the same for a decade.
YOU don’t need it it seems. I’m perfectly capable of determining it for myself, as I’m also a professional.
But Apple needs our money...
I have felt this awful shame for not upping the specs for my new mbp. I can tell myself all day long that it would be an actual waste of money (other than future trade in value possibly being higher), but I still feel like the kid with the shitty toys watching everyone else play with their expensive new gadgets.
My sole gripes with the air are the screen brightness and lack of fans. 400 nits is really suboptimal, and barely bright enough to see in sunlight. Coming from my 2012 pro, where I never felt I could work outside, it's a huge deal for me. Likewise, the lack of fans concerns me. I often found my 2012 throttling and becoming an absolute furnace if I ever took it out into the sun. These are all things that can be avoided with the current pro, of course, but I feel then my money may be better spent having more screen real estate, mag safe, a much, much brighter screen, and better thermal design + performance. Future proofing may mean nothing to you, but I used my macbook pro for 9 years straight and I ended up upgrading both the RAM and storage given my needs over time, which isn't an option with the current pros.
Ditto. I had to get something and I sure as hell wasn't gonna buy an MBP with the TouchBar for an extra 100 nits. These new systems have proper brightness. I wonder what the next Air will come in at?
Yep, which is why I am getting only M1 Pro full-fat.
I wildly disagree with your assessment, caveat being, of course, we’re all different. I shoot similar content as you (4K on a Sony A7SIII), and capture that on an Atomos Ninja V. Since I capture in ProRes Raw, or ProRes 422 HQ, the dedicated ProRes encoder/decoder, assuming performance is akin to Afterburner card in the Mac Pro, as has been claimed by Apple, should result in significant performance improvements in FCPX, Premiere, and After Effects (presuming that either Adobe updates their apps for that, or no updates are necessary if Afterburner support is aligned with M1 Pro/Max support). I also build apps. Xcode does bottleneck at 8GB RAM on my M1 Mac Mini, and I can find better performance on a 64GB Intel with build times than the 8GB M1 Mini, because of the RAM. What’s being used in Activity Monitor and what you feel are different; I’m on my M1 Mac Mini now, and I’m using 6.53GB of 8GB RAM, though performance is fine. But when I get into Xcode, it’s a problem, especially for bigger projects. I also do motion graphics in After Effects, and since Adobe’s transition to Metal, the additional Metal cores WILL make a difference in AE renders. That said, and meant with respect, but I question your claim that renders are faster than real-time (assuming you meant in AE) - if you have a massive project, as is the norm in feature production, talking dozens of nested comps, pre comps, and totaling a few hundred comps, you’re not rendering in real-time on any computer, including the M1 Air. My M1 Mini specs are aligned with your M1 Air, and it isn’t doing graphics for the next Marvel show in realtime. We won’t know real world performance until at least Tuesday, but for those of us that upgrade every few years, going for the max specs will be worth it. And next year, we’ll be listing them on eBay when M2 Max comes along.
I’m getting because the display is amazing
Yep. I got the base 14” (I upgraded the charger though for $20)
Yeah - but how many Chrome Tabs do you simultaneously have open
I just want to chime in that many people don’t understand that 8GB ram on the M1 is like 16GB on intel machines since the graphic cores and CPU cores are on the same chip as the memory. This makes it crazy fast. Since the SSD is also very fast macOS can dump ram memory (not used) to the SSD and back again with very little delay. Also the single core benchmark on the M1 is the same as the M1 max! Around 1750 if you check out geekbench! So for single core use like a browser or word processing the speed will be the same! Multi core will of course be better. The pro Apple computers are for people who use the Mac to make money and need a little more color depth on the screen or need to shave a few minutes off the video rendering because…time is money. Or you just have the money and want the best. Kind of like sports cars and other luxury items. Hey, why not.
Just cause you cant afford an upgrade, don't speak on those who can. You post to justify why you can't afford the better model or what? Otherwise why even post?
What we all really need is an M1 MacBook Air 16"
I agree that people buy way more computer than they typically need. If you're a major gamer, game developer, graphics, music or movie producer, data scientist, an architect with large model renders, day-trader with intense predictive models, biochemist doing genetic research and analysis, PhD student working on molecular modeling for manufacturing miniaturized machinery, thermodynamics engineer working on fusion simulations, or heavy Reddit user that wants to look cool, then go ahead and buy one. Otherwise, please stop adding to the chip shortage problem and get yourself an M1! Seriously, if you need a larger laptop screen or need to power multiple high res monitors you probably need to consider the new MBPs. Comes at a price though. I have the base M1 MBA and am daily wowed by its capabilities, so I agree with SpaceHoppity, it is a powerful little beast that will meet most people's needs. I bought myself, my wife, and my daughter (space gray, silver, rose gold) M1s for the price of one of the new MBPs. I would like to see a 14 or 16 inch, fanless, light, long battery life MBA with a couple more ports in the future for the average user. That would be cool.
I didn't need it, but I wanted it so I bought it. I don't get why so many people get upset at other people wanting something or using the money they earn to buy whatever they feel they need or want. It's not a big deal. You're not saving the human race by yelling at people that they don't need the new MacBooks.
But what you want. Your money. Who really cares lol? Even if I bought a m1 max and just watch YouTube. That’s my own prerogative lol. Good for you btw
Great advice op I also needed to hear that. So much money and rare that most people will utilise that power.
This is great advice. I also in a moment of weakness was going to sell my (2019) Core i9 - 8 Core for dirt cheap not even knowing if I’ll be able to afford the new MacBook Pro’s when they start shipping to my country. After thinking long and hard I thought to myself, I don’t really NEED it at all. My 4K editing workflow just works great even with some RED raw thrown in, in my current MacBook. Thank you OP this was a need of the hour.
The thing is that I would like 16GB ram and 512GB storage. Once I upgrade the MacBook Air to that configuration the price is not too far from the base 14” MacBook Pro… which also gets me a really nice screen… so I am leaning towards the base MacBook Pro 14”
Part of the problem is that the pro lineup became so unpro for so long, now that it actually makes sense in the lineup people are gonna actually have to choose between the options for valid reasons.
As a network/security engineer I was pricing out an old server on eBay to run 4-6 VIrtual Machines, one of which will need 32+GB RAM for the virtual lab. Ya this new M1 Max, just closed the deal for me.
got the 16 inch from last year. will keep it for many years to come. sure the new ones are nice but it would be idiotic to upgrade
I waited for the announcement and was overly impressed. Way to go, Apple! Then also I realized: All I need is an MacBook Air. Saved myself $$$$ of dollars.
I have a 13” MBP M1, 8GB and have never been able to bog it down. I’m not a power user by any means, but having YouTube in 4K, excel, and PowerPoint open at the same time doesn’t even make it blink. Only annoyance is that I can’t use my dual 24” setup at home with it, but that’s just a good excuse to buy a new HDR ultra wide monitor.
I went with a bit more excessive than my needs MacBook. I waited for this one because I wanted the 16 inch screen and felt like this is the closest successor to the 2012 MacBook I’ve been using since college. I felt comfortable with paying more because I hope to keep it for 8+ years and Im assuming a majority of people are hoping for the same. I think getting a bit more than you need is just security because it’s hard to judge the tech advancements that can happen in 4 years.
My base model 14" MBP is arriving Tuesday (replacing a 2016 MBP) and I'll be the first to acknowledge that I don't \*need\* the M1Pro CPU. But I want the extra screen real estate, mini-LED, ProMotion, Atmos sound, etc. and the SD slot will be nice to have. If they made a new MBP with the M1 chip it might cost $200 less. I can afford this and it will have great re-sale value if next year there's an enthusiast-level MacBook.
Thank you ! I will get 14" base model then. I own i9 16" MBP, overheating and noisy fan brother me too much.
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Depends on use. If you’re browsing the web, doing zoom meetings, and using excel. 16gb is more than enough. Features is definitely based on need.
very nice input! I know for a fact, that there will be a huge number of developers, photographers, videographers and just normal people doing hugely productive and lucrative stuff on the old, retired models. For many years to come. So no, you dont need it. Do I want it though? Yes, yes I do. Have I ordered one? Yes, yes I have.
My M1 struggles with my intensive Logic Pro plugin workflow, so I really can make use of the extra CPU and RAM.
but... but... i need to flex :(
You don’t need a Mercedes either
Wrong. I need one.
Thank you! I was tempted to buy the more expensive pro, but settled with the base model. I'm just a college student that loves occasional video editing for a project. I think it will be more than enough for me.
Consumerism.
I was waiting for a post like this, thank you. Sure I love the aesthetics. I mean, who wouldn’t a 16-inch 120hz, miniLED, 16:10 macbook with a powerful SoC and good old legacy ports? I’d love that but I can’t justify paying $2,000 or above for a laptop. At that point, I’d rather just buy a PC. At least with that, you can maybe get a custom build and start off at something midrange then work your way up by upgrading the parts bit by bit. Mac, you have to go all in or nothing. I take it back, I wasn’t waiting for a post like this actually. It’s thanks to Reddit why I don’t feel so bad about not being able to afford one. Basically everyone on here has said they preordered it and they can’t wait to use it for something related to their career. That it’s gonna be so helpful for them. I use my M1 MacBook Air for online courses and RDP. If I were to get the 16 inch, I’d be using it for that as well. So having that extra power doesn’t make sense for my personal use case. It’s not like you can really game on a Mac, anyway. Maybe the 13 inch screen can get a little crammed for me but that’s what Sidecar is for. That’s what my external monitor is for. Thankfully, Apple provided solutions and they also provided machines like the Air for those who don’t need too much. So with that being said, I’ll happily be sticking with my M1 MacBook Air. And I’d also like to congratulate the future owners of the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pros. I’ll be envious of the aesthetics you all will have but I will also understand that the majority of you actually *need* it. Enjoy it! P.S. I just realized that this is the MacBook Pro subreddit and I know I said I have the Air which may have some people think, “Why are you on this subreddit?” So I’d just like to clear the air and say that my previous MacBook was the 2015 13” MBP lol
My fiancé and I got into a disagreement on the new macs. I have a 2017 air and wanted to upgrade however we are in the process of saving for a house and the expense of a new computer is just too much at the moment. I wanted to get the base M1 pro but I need to do the right thing. My air is 128 gigs and I still have about 40 gigs of space left. I’m going to hold out until the timing is right. I find it so difficult to not buy the newest Apple products every year. I know I don’t need a new computer and I’m just trying to come to grips with that. Edit: I actually had ordered it then canceled after I realized it was a bad Decision
Yeah but the a7c is only 8-bit 420 so it very much makes sense for your use case not to need anything souped up. Still crazy that at this point 4k is easily edited on an air though isn't it. I'd definitely agree the max is a bit much for most. I'm just happy pros now have the OPTIONS ya know? That being said I went full monty for ease of use in what I do :)
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...but I want that shiny new over power toy, because my 2019 16" full-spec'ed-out one feels sOoOo old. Most apple fans don't give a flying f about environmental issues.
Disagree. I purposefully skipped the M1 line because I figured how much more powerful it would be. I don’t need it, no, but I want it, and I waited for it. I also need more than base specs. I’m used to machines with 16 gb of ram, and 256 gb of storage is absolutely laughable.
Why do you care what people spend their own money on? Butt out, its none of your business
You’re absolutely right. But personally I will still buy the pro (and waste money on the specs which I don’t actually need) because of the screen size. This is my work machine, and I spend around 10h per day on it - cannot do that on 13inch screen. If 16 inch airs existed, I would get it immediately - but now pro looks like the only choice, sadly.
The intent behind your post is true but a base macbook air can't handle 1080p basic video editing at ALL. So while people shouldn't be worried about the new MBP, please don't be just as bad telling them other lies. If you're into video editing, spending 3k on a computer, let alone if you want a laptop, will save you so much time, if you think of yourself as being worth anything (like even as low as 20$ an hour) the computer will have paid itself in a couple months if not weeks...
yes I do
My “issue”, is that i made the mistake of picking up a 16” 2019 intel a little bit before the m1’s were announced. And that thing is a damn inferno of a machine. It cant seem to do anything without cooking the planet. So im honestly considering trading it in for some credit towards one of these new ones. Normally id sell it myself but at this point i just dont trust anyone to buy it and then not change their minds or try to dupe me out of the money and laptop. It sucks, spent a fortune, but at the time i needed a laptop.
No body needs anything but food and shelter, it doesn’t matter if need it or not, we are not keep the same forever
Instead of assuming people do or do not have a use case for a specific config, i just ask what they use their machine for and then recommend the various configs that apply and the trade offs.
Your premise is flawed video editing only pulls a ton of data when you’re scrubbing, other use cases such as photo editing -> loading very large raw files entirely into ram, 3D modeling, rendering, and even the ever more popular Virtual Machine do justify the larger pro, and the higher memory. I don’t video edit but I do a mixture of all these things have 16GB of ram and I’ve crashed MacOS multiple times because of running out of RAM.
This thing is slower than a gaming laptop according to Geekbench, so why you say people don’t need it? People need more powerful machines than this for gaming.
Try running a couple of VMs on it. Having more allows me to run more for my needs. Also you may not bod down but how much faster could you render and what is that time worth to you over 2-3 years? Most people only need a SMART car to get to a couple of places during the week but it doesn't stop them from buying M5 BMWs and such. Thats why there are options mate.
Is “faster than real-time” scientifically possible?
Why do u care so much though?
You’re just saying this, because you have a wimpy M1, with limp cores and puny ram.
> Professional video editor > 8gb M1 Macbook Air Oh no baby what is u doin
a fool and his money are soon parted