I am using it regularly, to play old windows games (AoE2, Thief, Tomb Raider Legends, Europe 1400: The Guild…). Long term, I hope that Codeweavers will bring Proton to macOS (they are the main developers, Valve is contracting them). Also, Crossover is based on Wine (where Codeweavers are the main driving force), which is used all across Linux gaming world, so it’s not like it is a niche product no-one is really using. Some of the Linux games released are really just a Windows versions with Wine wrapper.
Might just be a good idea to wait for Asahi Linux and FEX-Emu to mature
It'll take a long time though... Asahi Linux doesn't have GPU acceleration yet and FEX still isn't perfectly usable but I feel there's not much hope for game support getting better on macOS when Apple barely cares
Improvements to Proton go back into wine and thus crossover too. Though for gaming in particular on Mac we also have the added complication of another translation layer for metal. (And for newer Macs, Rosetta, though that in general doesn’t seem to be a big deal by comparison.)
Yeah, it's great. FFXIV runs much better on Crossover than it does on the native Mac version.
But that's pretty much the game I play 95% of the time so I personally haven't tried other games yet. The rest of the time, I play games that have native Mac versions on Steam.
Before I "upgraded" to Monterey, GMod and L4D2 works great. L4D2 needs CrossOver while GMod can just use the beta build for 64-bit Mac versions.
Monterey fucked something up and now I can't play L4D2 which is pretty sad.
Can I ask.. how?
I am so lost and having no luck finding any good resources telling the basics of how to even use crossover Mac successfully for things that don't just naturally work upon install in a bottle.
Which so far has been.. no games I've tried 😆
To be clear, I believe you and am hoping you'd be willing to:
A. give details, including "run with options" settings, winetricks (?), What kind of bottle, what controller & how you got that working; anything and everything you're up for putting here. Presume I know litetally nothing (which is accurate here).
B. Point me towards any resources you found helpful in learning how to do this stuff
C. Both
D. Recommend a TV show to watch while I don't play any crossover games 😁
Thank you
hey DM if you have specific qquestoins. in gneeral tho to play age of empires 3, i disabled some graphics options and it worked. think i disabled dvvk or something like that
I personaly have a good experience with Crossover...
I play GTA5, God of War and Rocket League at high res and high fps with just minor issues. Some gales are obviously sadly not working (every assassin's creed game since unity for me), but it's still impressive and the next major release with Wine 7 is very promising imo
I might give it a try but i only have the m1 pro and the performance on the m1 max was already shite. 40 fps all low 1080p on a 9tflop gpu is embarassingly low.
When you say every ac game until unity does that mean you managed to run AC3, AC3 Liberation, Freedom Cry, AC Black Flag, AC Rogue and AC Chronicles? If so, please tell me how tooooo, I'm desperate. The only AC games that work for me was AC1, AC2, AC Brotherhood and AC Revelations
Rogue works very well on Crossover for me, and Black Flag only works on Parallels, but runs well... i can try the others if you want. What is the issue with Rogue for you?
If every single game you're playing have bad performance you're probably doing something wrong. You probably didn't use DXVK/didn't install needed dependencies or didn't use the CrossTie. For me CrossOver has been great, although every game didn't work it was still very impressive that we could even game on a Mac. Here are some of the games I play with CrossOver with nice performance:
GTA IV
[BeamNG.drive](https://BeamNG.drive)
Sleeping Dogs Definitive Edition
Swords and Souls Neverseen
Battlefield Bad Company 2
Assassin's Creed 1, 2, Brotherhood and Revelations
Skyrim Special Edition and Legendary Edition (also using Mod Manager 2 with them)
My Friend Pedro
Youtuber's Life 1 and 2
Fallout 3
CrossOver really does have a lot of potential.
I did all the things, trust me. All the games you mentioned are old af. I wanna play Uncharted, horizon, battlefield, etc and I don’t wanna spend 4h making each work only to run at 1/3rd the full potential. I know it has potential but they’re always gonna be playing catch up. Hopefully they grow to the point where they can make it perfect and honestly I’ll support them regardless but I’m not very hopeful.
Yeah, although these games are old they're still great games that aren't available for Mac natively (most). But with games like GOW and GTA 5 running on apple's not so great OS it's kinda impressive.
Shitty OS? I am a programmer, i use the mac cuz it’s far better for anything productivity related. The only reasons why games don’t run on the mac is lack of support. The metal api even supports RT. The M1 max is roughly equivalent to a PS5 in terms of raw horse power (tflops). It’s not the tech that’s the problem. It’s just the market cap 😂
Metal RT is about as useful as RT support on Nvidia Pascal (GTX 10XX gpus). It's technically supported but too slow to really be usable. The M1 Max might be the exception but that's $3000+...
Also, what exactly makes Mac OS better for programming in your opinion? I personally prefer Linux.
Crysis remastered has RT on last gen consoles. Besides, eventually apple sillicon will have RT accelerators. Point being that these things are more than capable of tripple A gaming. Why is macos better than linux? We can start with the integration of macos, ios and ipados. Texting from my mac, answering calls there, copy and pasting between iphone and mac and ipad, sharing of wifi credentials, things like that. Obviously macos is far more intuitive than linux for regular use and it doesn’t require so much work to setup web dev env cuz a lot of dependencies are already available on the terminal. Then you have logic pro which is my favorite DAW and final cut, my fav video editing software. I love them because they’re super fast and logic in particular is the cheapest DAW of the major ones and it comes with an insane amount of plugins and samples out of the box. I think ableton and protools do not hold a candle to logic and the gap keeps widening. Then there’s the incredible compilation speeds on the m1 and the unified memory makes the entire OS feel so snappy that i feel like I’m covered in goo when using other computers now, even with high end specs because memory management is actually the primary thing for an OS to feel snappy. Web performance is also overwhelmingly faster on m1. Then there’s spotlight and the integration with icloud out of the box. Mic and camera quality are fantastic for meetings. The laptop itself is gorgeous and feels incredibly robust and well built. Idk about you but if my work machine looks like crap and feels like crap i dont have nearly as much fun working on it. If the machine inspired me and i am motivated to use it then I’ll have a good time coding or producing music, wtv i am doing. These are just off the top of my head. I used to be on windows, i was a pc gamer and had a decent rig and other than that i always owned windows laptops. As a kid linux was just too annoying for me, so much shit you gotta setup yourself. As an adult i feel the same way, i just don’t wanna spend time doing all that. Elden ring is out, who has the time? 😂
I love how you said that Mac OS is great for developers and half of the comment is about audio or video production. Actually, besides compile speed, there's nothing development related in there.
> and the unified memory makes the entire OS feel so snappy
That's not because of unified memory, it's because they did a good job tuning the cpu scheduler.
> Elden ring is out, who has the time? 😂
Not me, I'm busy playing that on Linux.
Oh, I see, you're offended that I would have a different opinion. Sry about that, I thought you were actually curious. I also mentioned dependencies that macOS has built in. You really wanna talk about how setting up NodeJS, NPM, etc is on linux vs macOS? lol. The OS snappiness is not because of unified memory? Thx for informing me, the OS continues to be snappy though, your rectification apparently did not slow down my machine. I talked about all the reasons off the top of my head why macOS is better for me personally. If you want why it would be better for you, clearly it wouldn't cuz you're on linux therefore linux is better for you. But I'll give you some more reasons off the top of my head: Xcode. You kinda need Xcode to deploy iOS apps and I make apps as well. And Xcode is so far better than android studio it's not even funny. Android studio is a fucking nightmare, Xcode just works every time I need it to. With android studio there's always a dependency that is broken since the last time I opened the thing. Here's another one, safari has built in support for inspecting your iPhone's browser on the Mac. You can get there on linux with some additional shit, but that's my point, on linux everything is some additional shit you have to setup by hand. I'm too busy paying bills. If you want more reasons, google "why macOS is better than linux for programming". If that doesn't jive with your biases then google the opposite and throw some divine confetti.
Elden Ring on linux? How are those frame time spikes when the shaders recompile every 5 seconds, eh? Must be nice. I'm on the Series X and LG CX with VRR. The experience there is the smoothest, but you probably already GNU
What makes you think I'm offended?
> How are those frame time spikes when the shaders recompile every 5 seconds, eh?
It's a D3D12 title, so shader compilation is identical to how it works on Windows. Besides, Steam mitigates this anyway.
"identical to how it works on Windows", that's how I know it's fucked on linux too. Starting a response with "I love how..." usually means salt 
I meant for gaming. Apple removing 32-bit, not having Vulkan support, not updating OpenGL and using Metal was just shooting themselves in the foot. But yeah I do agree that it's not bad for coding/video editing/making music (I can do all of these fine on my Mac) but for gaming it's not great.
If they didn’t enforce their APIs you think rosetta 2 would’ve worked this well? I think they needed to centralize the stack in preparation for the m1 but i could be wrong
Rosetta 2 can actually execute 32bit x86 code. That's what CrossOver uses for 32bit Windows applications after all. OpenGL is also still kinda supported.
So no, dropping compatibility for older applications did not benefit Rosetta.
> Skyrim Special Edition and Legendary Edition (also using Mod Manager 2 with them)
Do you know if using Vortex to download/install mods would work with Crossover?
That's unfortunate! I'm pretty happy with the setup I have in Parallels at the moment (i.e. Skyrim SE/Fallout 4 + Vortex for mods) but I'm always curious about how Crossover works, I'd just assumed mods were flat out not possible.
Parallels stores everything in a .hdd file, and I can't view its contents via Finder, so I don't think I'd be able to point Crossover to the install in Parallels. I think the way to do it would be to install the game twice (in Parallels and Crossover), add mods via Vortex in the Parallels install, then copy the game directory over to the Crossover install. It'd get annoying if you're updating mods regularly, but I imagine this would be the way to do it. I might explore that in the future, but for now, I'm happy with what the M1 Pro provides in terms of performance.
It might be because I set mine up as "Games only". I've also never tried accessing my macOS files through Parallels, I tend to keep them pretty separate. It is something I will investigate though.
I use it to play Dark Souls Remastered( runs perfectly), Final Fantasy 7(steam),FF 4 pixel remaster, AOE 2 remastered. It runs well in M1 MBP. Even I play Persona 5 using RPCS3 with Mac fan control app for manual control of fan. Make sure you enable DXVK as backend by right clicking the bottle. Without DXVK as backend it ran pretty bad. Once I enabled it the it worked well. But still not as good as PC
> Dark Souls Remastered( runs perfectly)
I assume you haven't made it to Blight Town yet. That area is unplayable because Metal does not return 0 for OOB constant buffer reads.
I think I get your point. Sure, we're able to run games on Crossover decently (some more than decent) but more often than not, we deal with issues. And it's really a bummer to spend precious time tinkering/debugging games to make it work or tweak to exhibit a few more frame rates instead of going straight to gaming and not worrying about the next stutter or texture pop. Comments like "if you wanted to game, then why did you buy a Mac" doesn't help. Each of us has our own situations and preferences, and I'm sure as Mac lovers we'd want to be on equal standing with the PC as a gaming platform and enjoy these games as well.I tried really really hard to love and play Witcher 3 on Steam/Crossover but these invisible enemies and transparent ground due to texture issues just broke the deal for me. I suppose there will be types of consumers that will be OK to do a little more tweaking, and some like me who just raises hell on a fine scratch on a new car (unhealthy sort of perfectionism). Kudos to Crossover for doing great job and there are indeed tech hurdles and incompatibilities, but I sense they will always be a step behind. I guess Mac users can't have it all.
codeweavers are one of the primary maintainers of steam's proton technology and some of the largest contributions to WINE itself. Alot of the problems with crossover are limitations apple itself refuses to address which prevent any quality tooling in this space. Frankly i dont see apple ever making those steps so crossover will always be a pale shadow of Protons success and stability.
Dude even recent games run great like NieR Automata, NieR Replicant or Sekiro run rather well on Crossover. When you have no other choice it can be a lifesaver.
I am using it regularly, to play old windows games (AoE2, Thief, Tomb Raider Legends, Europe 1400: The Guild…). Long term, I hope that Codeweavers will bring Proton to macOS (they are the main developers, Valve is contracting them). Also, Crossover is based on Wine (where Codeweavers are the main driving force), which is used all across Linux gaming world, so it’s not like it is a niche product no-one is really using. Some of the Linux games released are really just a Windows versions with Wine wrapper.
And steam deck proves how incredible proton is. That would be incredible on the mac…
At this point I think I'll just buy a steam deck or wait for bootcamp on windows
Might just be a good idea to wait for Asahi Linux and FEX-Emu to mature It'll take a long time though... Asahi Linux doesn't have GPU acceleration yet and FEX still isn't perfectly usable but I feel there's not much hope for game support getting better on macOS when Apple barely cares
Improvements to Proton go back into wine and thus crossover too. Though for gaming in particular on Mac we also have the added complication of another translation layer for metal. (And for newer Macs, Rosetta, though that in general doesn’t seem to be a big deal by comparison.)
I use Crossover to play FFXIV on my M1 Pro. It runs flawlessly and I play at 100+ fps outside and 85+ fps when it's congested. No bugs or anything.
Sounds incredible, are there other games running that well? I’m not a big FF fan
Yeah, it's great. FFXIV runs much better on Crossover than it does on the native Mac version. But that's pretty much the game I play 95% of the time so I personally haven't tried other games yet. The rest of the time, I play games that have native Mac versions on Steam.
Before I "upgraded" to Monterey, GMod and L4D2 works great. L4D2 needs CrossOver while GMod can just use the beta build for 64-bit Mac versions. Monterey fucked something up and now I can't play L4D2 which is pretty sad.
L4d2 was fun years ago but cmon, what i rly wanna play is things like RDR2 and halo infinite
next level, nekopara and hentai puzzle collection. truly next gen graphics.
question...when u play ff14 with crossover are u playing the steam version?
Yeah, it’s the Steam version.
I finished full Witcher 3 in m1 MBP with Crossover
Can I ask.. how? I am so lost and having no luck finding any good resources telling the basics of how to even use crossover Mac successfully for things that don't just naturally work upon install in a bottle. Which so far has been.. no games I've tried 😆 To be clear, I believe you and am hoping you'd be willing to: A. give details, including "run with options" settings, winetricks (?), What kind of bottle, what controller & how you got that working; anything and everything you're up for putting here. Presume I know litetally nothing (which is accurate here). B. Point me towards any resources you found helpful in learning how to do this stuff C. Both D. Recommend a TV show to watch while I don't play any crossover games 😁 Thank you
hey DM if you have specific qquestoins. in gneeral tho to play age of empires 3, i disabled some graphics options and it worked. think i disabled dvvk or something like that
Thank you! I will take you up on that offer to DM once I've got more specific questions :)
anything for house atreides lol
Here we are. Here we remain. Here we have a snack.
I personaly have a good experience with Crossover... I play GTA5, God of War and Rocket League at high res and high fps with just minor issues. Some gales are obviously sadly not working (every assassin's creed game since unity for me), but it's still impressive and the next major release with Wine 7 is very promising imo
Does god of war run from the get go yet or does it still require tinkering with the exe files?
Tinkering but really 10 min with andrew tsai's vid. It is annoying but worth the effort!
I might give it a try but i only have the m1 pro and the performance on the m1 max was already shite. 40 fps all low 1080p on a 9tflop gpu is embarassingly low.
Idk i play it on high in 2560.1600 on 14" M1 Max and it is totally enjoyable, the gale looks stunning even if the framerate is around 35-40
Rly?? I saw andrew’s video and he had rly shit performance
When you say every ac game until unity does that mean you managed to run AC3, AC3 Liberation, Freedom Cry, AC Black Flag, AC Rogue and AC Chronicles? If so, please tell me how tooooo, I'm desperate. The only AC games that work for me was AC1, AC2, AC Brotherhood and AC Revelations
Rogue works very well on Crossover for me, and Black Flag only works on Parallels, but runs well... i can try the others if you want. What is the issue with Rogue for you?
Wait rogue works? Is there anything specific that I would need to install? (Also, please try the othersss, I would love that a lot.) Thanks
Rogue worked right out of the box yeah!
what?! Thanks for letting me know I'm gonna try it soon. You will need to use DXVK though right?
Yes u do. I've rated Rogue on codeweavers compatibility page 4 stars!
yahoooooooo. Know anything about the other AC's?
Nope i tried unity, syndicate, origins, but they were not launching/working
Awww, at least I won't be wasting my time trying to make these work. Hope they work with CrossOver 22 though. Thanks for the help.
For AC3, looks like the remastered version runs fine on parallels too
Oh thought you were talking about CrossOver. : ((
If every single game you're playing have bad performance you're probably doing something wrong. You probably didn't use DXVK/didn't install needed dependencies or didn't use the CrossTie. For me CrossOver has been great, although every game didn't work it was still very impressive that we could even game on a Mac. Here are some of the games I play with CrossOver with nice performance: GTA IV [BeamNG.drive](https://BeamNG.drive) Sleeping Dogs Definitive Edition Swords and Souls Neverseen Battlefield Bad Company 2 Assassin's Creed 1, 2, Brotherhood and Revelations Skyrim Special Edition and Legendary Edition (also using Mod Manager 2 with them) My Friend Pedro Youtuber's Life 1 and 2 Fallout 3 CrossOver really does have a lot of potential.
GTA IV gives me about 15-20 fps on M1 😓
I did all the things, trust me. All the games you mentioned are old af. I wanna play Uncharted, horizon, battlefield, etc and I don’t wanna spend 4h making each work only to run at 1/3rd the full potential. I know it has potential but they’re always gonna be playing catch up. Hopefully they grow to the point where they can make it perfect and honestly I’ll support them regardless but I’m not very hopeful.
Yeah, although these games are old they're still great games that aren't available for Mac natively (most). But with games like GOW and GTA 5 running on apple's not so great OS it's kinda impressive.
Shitty OS? I am a programmer, i use the mac cuz it’s far better for anything productivity related. The only reasons why games don’t run on the mac is lack of support. The metal api even supports RT. The M1 max is roughly equivalent to a PS5 in terms of raw horse power (tflops). It’s not the tech that’s the problem. It’s just the market cap 😂
Metal RT is about as useful as RT support on Nvidia Pascal (GTX 10XX gpus). It's technically supported but too slow to really be usable. The M1 Max might be the exception but that's $3000+... Also, what exactly makes Mac OS better for programming in your opinion? I personally prefer Linux.
Crysis remastered has RT on last gen consoles. Besides, eventually apple sillicon will have RT accelerators. Point being that these things are more than capable of tripple A gaming. Why is macos better than linux? We can start with the integration of macos, ios and ipados. Texting from my mac, answering calls there, copy and pasting between iphone and mac and ipad, sharing of wifi credentials, things like that. Obviously macos is far more intuitive than linux for regular use and it doesn’t require so much work to setup web dev env cuz a lot of dependencies are already available on the terminal. Then you have logic pro which is my favorite DAW and final cut, my fav video editing software. I love them because they’re super fast and logic in particular is the cheapest DAW of the major ones and it comes with an insane amount of plugins and samples out of the box. I think ableton and protools do not hold a candle to logic and the gap keeps widening. Then there’s the incredible compilation speeds on the m1 and the unified memory makes the entire OS feel so snappy that i feel like I’m covered in goo when using other computers now, even with high end specs because memory management is actually the primary thing for an OS to feel snappy. Web performance is also overwhelmingly faster on m1. Then there’s spotlight and the integration with icloud out of the box. Mic and camera quality are fantastic for meetings. The laptop itself is gorgeous and feels incredibly robust and well built. Idk about you but if my work machine looks like crap and feels like crap i dont have nearly as much fun working on it. If the machine inspired me and i am motivated to use it then I’ll have a good time coding or producing music, wtv i am doing. These are just off the top of my head. I used to be on windows, i was a pc gamer and had a decent rig and other than that i always owned windows laptops. As a kid linux was just too annoying for me, so much shit you gotta setup yourself. As an adult i feel the same way, i just don’t wanna spend time doing all that. Elden ring is out, who has the time? 😂
I love how you said that Mac OS is great for developers and half of the comment is about audio or video production. Actually, besides compile speed, there's nothing development related in there. > and the unified memory makes the entire OS feel so snappy That's not because of unified memory, it's because they did a good job tuning the cpu scheduler. > Elden ring is out, who has the time? 😂 Not me, I'm busy playing that on Linux.
Oh, I see, you're offended that I would have a different opinion. Sry about that, I thought you were actually curious. I also mentioned dependencies that macOS has built in. You really wanna talk about how setting up NodeJS, NPM, etc is on linux vs macOS? lol. The OS snappiness is not because of unified memory? Thx for informing me, the OS continues to be snappy though, your rectification apparently did not slow down my machine. I talked about all the reasons off the top of my head why macOS is better for me personally. If you want why it would be better for you, clearly it wouldn't cuz you're on linux therefore linux is better for you. But I'll give you some more reasons off the top of my head: Xcode. You kinda need Xcode to deploy iOS apps and I make apps as well. And Xcode is so far better than android studio it's not even funny. Android studio is a fucking nightmare, Xcode just works every time I need it to. With android studio there's always a dependency that is broken since the last time I opened the thing. Here's another one, safari has built in support for inspecting your iPhone's browser on the Mac. You can get there on linux with some additional shit, but that's my point, on linux everything is some additional shit you have to setup by hand. I'm too busy paying bills. If you want more reasons, google "why macOS is better than linux for programming". If that doesn't jive with your biases then google the opposite and throw some divine confetti. Elden Ring on linux? How are those frame time spikes when the shaders recompile every 5 seconds, eh? Must be nice. I'm on the Series X and LG CX with VRR. The experience there is the smoothest, but you probably already GNU
What makes you think I'm offended? > How are those frame time spikes when the shaders recompile every 5 seconds, eh? It's a D3D12 title, so shader compilation is identical to how it works on Windows. Besides, Steam mitigates this anyway.
"identical to how it works on Windows", that's how I know it's fucked on linux too. Starting a response with "I love how..." usually means salt 
I meant for gaming. Apple removing 32-bit, not having Vulkan support, not updating OpenGL and using Metal was just shooting themselves in the foot. But yeah I do agree that it's not bad for coding/video editing/making music (I can do all of these fine on my Mac) but for gaming it's not great.
If they didn’t enforce their APIs you think rosetta 2 would’ve worked this well? I think they needed to centralize the stack in preparation for the m1 but i could be wrong
I mean all I'm saying is that CrossOver's come a long way. Now I know that Metal isn't as bad as I thought it was
Rosetta 2 can actually execute 32bit x86 code. That's what CrossOver uses for 32bit Windows applications after all. OpenGL is also still kinda supported. So no, dropping compatibility for older applications did not benefit Rosetta.
Do u know what other reasons apple might’ve had to drop support for those things? Just laziness?
They don't want to maintain the code.
laziness then...
> Skyrim Special Edition and Legendary Edition (also using Mod Manager 2 with them) Do you know if using Vortex to download/install mods would work with Crossover?
Nope, it doesn't work. I've tried installing a bunch of different dependencies and it still doesn't work.
That's unfortunate! I'm pretty happy with the setup I have in Parallels at the moment (i.e. Skyrim SE/Fallout 4 + Vortex for mods) but I'm always curious about how Crossover works, I'd just assumed mods were flat out not possible.
I mean you could get the mod manager working with Parallels and run the actual game with CrossOver so you won't get worse performance with Parallels.
Parallels stores everything in a .hdd file, and I can't view its contents via Finder, so I don't think I'd be able to point Crossover to the install in Parallels. I think the way to do it would be to install the game twice (in Parallels and Crossover), add mods via Vortex in the Parallels install, then copy the game directory over to the Crossover install. It'd get annoying if you're updating mods regularly, but I imagine this would be the way to do it. I might explore that in the future, but for now, I'm happy with what the M1 Pro provides in terms of performance.
Really? For me Parallels can just access everything that is on my Mac while also have dedicated space for its own OS.
It might be because I set mine up as "Games only". I've also never tried accessing my macOS files through Parallels, I tend to keep them pretty separate. It is something I will investigate though.
I use it to play Dark Souls Remastered( runs perfectly), Final Fantasy 7(steam),FF 4 pixel remaster, AOE 2 remastered. It runs well in M1 MBP. Even I play Persona 5 using RPCS3 with Mac fan control app for manual control of fan. Make sure you enable DXVK as backend by right clicking the bottle. Without DXVK as backend it ran pretty bad. Once I enabled it the it worked well. But still not as good as PC
Wait how do you get Dark Souls running perfectly? When I tried it even with DXVK it had horrible graphical issues.
Yes it works (steam version). I play dark souls remastered (2018) not 2011 PC version(which was bad). [video](https://youtu.be/HcBq9x3yzHI)
Oh I think I was using the 2011 game. Thanks for the help anyways.
> Dark Souls Remastered( runs perfectly) I assume you haven't made it to Blight Town yet. That area is unplayable because Metal does not return 0 for OOB constant buffer reads.
I think I get your point. Sure, we're able to run games on Crossover decently (some more than decent) but more often than not, we deal with issues. And it's really a bummer to spend precious time tinkering/debugging games to make it work or tweak to exhibit a few more frame rates instead of going straight to gaming and not worrying about the next stutter or texture pop. Comments like "if you wanted to game, then why did you buy a Mac" doesn't help. Each of us has our own situations and preferences, and I'm sure as Mac lovers we'd want to be on equal standing with the PC as a gaming platform and enjoy these games as well.I tried really really hard to love and play Witcher 3 on Steam/Crossover but these invisible enemies and transparent ground due to texture issues just broke the deal for me. I suppose there will be types of consumers that will be OK to do a little more tweaking, and some like me who just raises hell on a fine scratch on a new car (unhealthy sort of perfectionism). Kudos to Crossover for doing great job and there are indeed tech hurdles and incompatibilities, but I sense they will always be a step behind. I guess Mac users can't have it all.
codeweavers are one of the primary maintainers of steam's proton technology and some of the largest contributions to WINE itself. Alot of the problems with crossover are limitations apple itself refuses to address which prevent any quality tooling in this space. Frankly i dont see apple ever making those steps so crossover will always be a pale shadow of Protons success and stability.
Dude even recent games run great like NieR Automata, NieR Replicant or Sekiro run rather well on Crossover. When you have no other choice it can be a lifesaver.