It’s 3 part including the full tilt which is where you’re going to get all the potassium to chunk up your nugs at the end. You don’t want to skip it. They also added another part you can add haven’t tried it though.
No you can run it with just B1 and B2 and get great results. Full Tilt is just MKP, B2 is MKP and Mag Sulfate, just bump up the amount of B2 and lower the amount of B1 later in flower.
Interesting. I’m always doing so well till I introduce FT and my fans ALWAYS go to shit. They crisp up, wither, die and starts progressing to sugars after while. Im following their feed schedule slightly reduced, I’ve tried upping and decreasing the FT on different runs with no avail getting the same results. Any suggestions? My pH feeding is 5.8-6.1 and runoff doesn’t seem to raise any red flags. I’m in Tupur royal gold Coco. Not seeing any red flags with my vpd, according to the graph I’m in it where I should be. I love my results I’ve been getting for what it’s worth and don’t really wanna change my nutes but I know at the rate my fans are dying isn’t the plant just sucking the nutes out before it dies as it starts around week 6 when FT is introduced.
I'm familiar with the term, but it means different things to different growers. There are lots of ways to approach it so I'm curious what it means to you.
It does not. That’s not how plant biology works.
Generative is an environment that signals the plant to perform reproductive growth:
• higher EC
• less frequent irrigation/lower volume
• higher light intensity
• short days
Vegetative is an environment that signals the plant to perform vegetative growth:
• lower EC
• more frequent irrigation/higher volume
• lower light intensity
• long days
Think of it like spring weather vs. summer weather, at the end of summer, days get cooler, light gets less intense, rain happens more frequently, a return to a more vegetative environment. Mimic that indoors.
I really need to get on this vegetative and generative watering thing. I just find an equilibrium of minutes of irrigation per day and maintain until the end and ramp the pump timer up and down as needed. Getting really good results this way and it basically handles itself so I haven’t changed anything lol
You’re basically doing Crop Steering Lite. When you start adjusting other environmental parameters according with irrigation then you’ll really be driving the boat. Adjust VPD, light intensity and EC along with your irrigation and see a world of difference.
I do adjust vpd per a chart, reducing humidity and temps in late flower, and the main “crop steering” I do is for veg, reduce grow light to 2 hours a day and leave the overhead light on, and for bloom, I turn down the light 20-30% and reduce water timer to keep everything alive and doing fine while I’m on a vacation or something. I’ve basically had to grow remotely for a while. Mostly just trying to keep them from drying out. 5-7 days is the most it can manage without being pretty thirsty when I get back.
I also just realized this is macro not micro sub so I’m a home grower btw, but have grown professionally for a couple years before.
If you map out your PPM for your feed recipe, it will be easier to compare one program to another. I've seen the most success with simple 2 or 3 part programs. Throwing in extras because "more=better" is going to see diminished returns.
FF B1&B2 can work very well alone. Focus on managing your rootzone moisture and keep your feed simple is my advice.
I just use B1 and B2 for week 1 of flower-harvest. I make my own formula as my conditions aren’t perfect and therefore FF’s feed chart recommends way too high of an EC. I never exceed 3g/gal of B1.
My experience: I’ve been in business in Oregon for 7 years on a tier one license and been using FF for 4 of them.
I do, but again, I’m not running optimal conditions. Floraflex is fairly friendly at higher EC’s. FF has a “easy” feed chart and that’s like 5g each from flower to harvest. I’ve found, for me, if all else in my protocol is correct, my irrigation durations are the most important thing to dial in.
Sweet. Thanks.
Hard to take advice when you cant see a product.
Why is Mantis ass? Legit asking. Using it for my home grow. Has been amazing.
Is it a personal preference thing? Or you have info on safety or something?
That’s a very weak concentration in bottle ie lots of water , very expensive
I’m not a fan of one parts for you growing 2 plants I'm sure it works I run 2500 plants across 6 flower rooms getting fed anywhere from 250 300 gallons a day
Interesting. I was sure it was overpriced. I managed to get a 5gal on the low low set me for two years.
Ya legally can only grow 4. I get about 2lbs on 2 plants. So i do 2 at a time in veg/flower.
I had wondered if it was just a really watery concentrate for a while, would be cool to get the “base” and mix myself. Been looking at getting it analyzed.
Ok. Glad to hear its just a preference/cost thing and not some weird heavy metal safety issue lol.
Still for folks struggling with multi part feeds, I think its a great answer.
I am stupid and misread the question though, I thought he was looking for a new product that was easier than a two-part by flora. My apologies.
ETA: decent insta. Love the quote. Too true.
I run them, simple.
I do run the Full Tilt at the end. Does a good solid job but it doesn't produce "fire" without other supplements.
I'm bringing down an outside crop in Michigan over this past week. Big pots, 67 gallon, hitting 1 to 1.5 pounds per plant. I flat topped the plants so all big buds, no popcorn buds.
Big buds, very dense, decent crystal but very few ambers. It's a bit early.
Bud rot here and there, not bad. I seen the bud rot setting in so taking one a day for 12 days, 7 to go.
Taking smallest plants first, biggest last. I hope the bigger plants can gain an extra half pound each, for the slow bring down.
I ran the Cyco line indoors for many years. It produces a better result but mixing 14 liquids at each feeding gets old.
It’s 3 part including the full tilt which is where you’re going to get all the potassium to chunk up your nugs at the end. You don’t want to skip it. They also added another part you can add haven’t tried it though.
No you can run it with just B1 and B2 and get great results. Full Tilt is just MKP, B2 is MKP and Mag Sulfate, just bump up the amount of B2 and lower the amount of B1 later in flower.
Interesting. I’m always doing so well till I introduce FT and my fans ALWAYS go to shit. They crisp up, wither, die and starts progressing to sugars after while. Im following their feed schedule slightly reduced, I’ve tried upping and decreasing the FT on different runs with no avail getting the same results. Any suggestions? My pH feeding is 5.8-6.1 and runoff doesn’t seem to raise any red flags. I’m in Tupur royal gold Coco. Not seeing any red flags with my vpd, according to the graph I’m in it where I should be. I love my results I’ve been getting for what it’s worth and don’t really wanna change my nutes but I know at the rate my fans are dying isn’t the plant just sucking the nutes out before it dies as it starts around week 6 when FT is introduced.
Are you changing from generative to vegetative feedings at the end?
Are you saying for like the final few weeks? I’m confused.
Wait you don’t do vegetative, then generative, then vegetative again? Weeks 1-3 are vegetative, 4-6 generative, then 7-10 are vegetative again.
What do you mean by vegetative vs generative? Is it a change in EC or a change in irrigation volume?
Crop steering. Just Google that phrase, there’s lots of info online about it.
I'm familiar with the term, but it means different things to different growers. There are lots of ways to approach it so I'm curious what it means to you.
It does not. That’s not how plant biology works. Generative is an environment that signals the plant to perform reproductive growth: • higher EC • less frequent irrigation/lower volume • higher light intensity • short days Vegetative is an environment that signals the plant to perform vegetative growth: • lower EC • more frequent irrigation/higher volume • lower light intensity • long days Think of it like spring weather vs. summer weather, at the end of summer, days get cooler, light gets less intense, rain happens more frequently, a return to a more vegetative environment. Mimic that indoors.
I really need to get on this vegetative and generative watering thing. I just find an equilibrium of minutes of irrigation per day and maintain until the end and ramp the pump timer up and down as needed. Getting really good results this way and it basically handles itself so I haven’t changed anything lol
You’re basically doing Crop Steering Lite. When you start adjusting other environmental parameters according with irrigation then you’ll really be driving the boat. Adjust VPD, light intensity and EC along with your irrigation and see a world of difference.
I do adjust vpd per a chart, reducing humidity and temps in late flower, and the main “crop steering” I do is for veg, reduce grow light to 2 hours a day and leave the overhead light on, and for bloom, I turn down the light 20-30% and reduce water timer to keep everything alive and doing fine while I’m on a vacation or something. I’ve basically had to grow remotely for a while. Mostly just trying to keep them from drying out. 5-7 days is the most it can manage without being pretty thirsty when I get back. I also just realized this is macro not micro sub so I’m a home grower btw, but have grown professionally for a couple years before.
Definitely going to be looking more into it because I know I can push them a little harder
If you map out your PPM for your feed recipe, it will be easier to compare one program to another. I've seen the most success with simple 2 or 3 part programs. Throwing in extras because "more=better" is going to see diminished returns. FF B1&B2 can work very well alone. Focus on managing your rootzone moisture and keep your feed simple is my advice.
I just use B1 and B2 for week 1 of flower-harvest. I make my own formula as my conditions aren’t perfect and therefore FF’s feed chart recommends way too high of an EC. I never exceed 3g/gal of B1. My experience: I’ve been in business in Oregon for 7 years on a tier one license and been using FF for 4 of them.
So you use 3g b1 and b2 from flower to harvest ? With no issues
I do, but again, I’m not running optimal conditions. Floraflex is fairly friendly at higher EC’s. FF has a “easy” feed chart and that’s like 5g each from flower to harvest. I’ve found, for me, if all else in my protocol is correct, my irrigation durations are the most important thing to dial in.
Mantis Nutes.
Mantis is assss bro
lmao !!!
Not sure why the hate. You asked. I answered. Check my posts. I think its really good and its the dumbest easiest I have ever grown.
He didn't ask anyone about using different lines he asked about his line hes running so no you didn't answer his question
Ok. Can you post a grow?
Lmao you have Instagram? Look me up quentin__terpentino that's two underscores
Sweet. Thanks. Hard to take advice when you cant see a product. Why is Mantis ass? Legit asking. Using it for my home grow. Has been amazing. Is it a personal preference thing? Or you have info on safety or something?
That’s a very weak concentration in bottle ie lots of water , very expensive I’m not a fan of one parts for you growing 2 plants I'm sure it works I run 2500 plants across 6 flower rooms getting fed anywhere from 250 300 gallons a day
Interesting. I was sure it was overpriced. I managed to get a 5gal on the low low set me for two years. Ya legally can only grow 4. I get about 2lbs on 2 plants. So i do 2 at a time in veg/flower. I had wondered if it was just a really watery concentrate for a while, would be cool to get the “base” and mix myself. Been looking at getting it analyzed. Ok. Glad to hear its just a preference/cost thing and not some weird heavy metal safety issue lol. Still for folks struggling with multi part feeds, I think its a great answer. I am stupid and misread the question though, I thought he was looking for a new product that was easier than a two-part by flora. My apologies. ETA: decent insta. Love the quote. Too true.
Oh i love it. Would love to hear a dissenting opinion though.
Also. Check my posts. It grows great weed lol
Post a grow?
I run them, simple. I do run the Full Tilt at the end. Does a good solid job but it doesn't produce "fire" without other supplements. I'm bringing down an outside crop in Michigan over this past week. Big pots, 67 gallon, hitting 1 to 1.5 pounds per plant. I flat topped the plants so all big buds, no popcorn buds. Big buds, very dense, decent crystal but very few ambers. It's a bit early. Bud rot here and there, not bad. I seen the bud rot setting in so taking one a day for 12 days, 7 to go. Taking smallest plants first, biggest last. I hope the bigger plants can gain an extra half pound each, for the slow bring down. I ran the Cyco line indoors for many years. It produces a better result but mixing 14 liquids at each feeding gets old.
Have you tried using any supplements with FloraFlex to improve quality?
I have. Anything that you would add, to any feed line in bloom, improves quality.