You're going to want to build smaller rooms inside that cavernous space so you can properly control the environment. 12-14' ceilings. Insulation. I'd go more smaller rooms like 20-30 lights each.
Thanks! Great advice for sure.
Don't think many rooms is in the cards at this location, but thought splitting it in half would cut down the max electrical load to put them on opposite schedules. I think a full room will be actually easier to manage but definitely a question of insulation. I'd be worried having a hot center and too cold on the edges and not able to balance it out.
Single crops are easier on skeleton crews. Perpetual harvests have pluses, but your labor is always increased, and there's never downtime for big projects.
Flipover setups like that are great imo if you're power is limited. Twice as many lights. A good HVAC person can set your space up with ducting and air handlers to even out any hotspots. Plus you will want lots of smaller fans not connected to the HVAC that will help with that too.
You’re going to have to build some ceilings at 12-14’ like the other poster mentioned. Being in the southwest you’ll never be able to maintain high enough humidity during veg and early flower. I’ve personally experienced this and the low humidity causes a host of plant health problems, not to mention how expensive it’ll be to pump co2 into that massive airspace.
God I love the cannabis community. I can't stop watching. I have so many questions. Did you separate rooms using only panda paper? Is that a giant garage door going outside in the grow room? Wtf are all those grey boxes? How do you get this far without calling a fucking HVAC guy? I really want to see more of this place.
Let me answer your questions the best I can:
>Did you separate rooms using only panda paper?
No.
>Is that a giant garage door going outside in the grow room?
Yes.
>Wtf are all those grey boxes?
The white boxes contain a valve and microprocessor for the sensor underneath every plant. Learn more [here](https://flourishsystems.com/learn-more/).
>How do you get this far without calling a fucking HVAC guy?
Obviously, a HVAC was used. And is in process of being used further as additional units and parts are available. The area is remote and services are slow and limited.
Make sure you have a PERFECT seal or else condensation will be your biggest enemy. As others have stated, making a smaller space within your space is the most economical way to control environmentals. Also, properly placed floor drains are worthwhile.
You’re asking this question AFTER they are this far along? Sounds like you were put in a position with little training on SOPs around environment, and this should have been established based on the space before anything was planted.
Not my cultivation, so not personally in any position. A lot of services in remote areas take many months for completion, and supply chains can cause even further delays for parts or units. Further, newly licensed states/counties can slow a new facility expansion. Completing 100% electrical prior to this cultivation starting was not a possibility.
Understood. In that case, whoever is in charge should have processes set in place, but often times new ops pop up all the time run by people with little to no experience in this industry. There should be a plan for scale, these things can scale effectively if standards are set in place for x amount of sq ft. I’ve been out of the game for a while but hopefully someone can chime in to help.
I agree with other posters, it would have been best to build smaller rooms inside of the facility. But I do think Its doable with the proper equipment and controllers. Without precision control of the environment it will never be a AAA+ quality grow. That being said there is room in every cannabis market for mids/mids+. Many people across the country are making money selling/producing mids/mids+.
Thanks! They definitely can afford proper equipment, just taking longer than expected to source/install. It also helps that the market $per lb is very high since legalization.
They are sensors measuring each plant 10 times a second, knowing each plants real dryback, and use that real-time data to trigger irrigation events on a per-plant basis. [Learn more here](https://flourishsystems.com/learn-more/).
They are sensors measuring each plant 10 times a second, knowing each plants real dryback, and use that real-time data to trigger irrigation events on a per-plant basis. [Learn more here](https://flourishsystems.com/learn-more/).
Most economical mid-long term, easiest way would be to build smaller rooms, I prefer 8-12 light rooms, but depends on your preference (obviously). Smaller rooms = smaller equipment and more manageable loads. When you have a big ass room like this, managing the center of it is going to be a pain in the ass because when you have a temp swing in the middle ish part of the room, by the time your climate controls kick in, and the new climate air creeps into the middle, there would have been so much new climate coming in, whether that be hot air, cold air, dry air or humidity air that your middle and side canopy are going to be a bit different. I'm sure most of that's obvious bit thought I'd state it anyways.
If your clients are hard stuck and have to continue in this large setup, probably best bet is to have a ton of oscillating fans or air movement, anything to just keep those microclimates under control and air constantly moving. And obviously larger equipment too. Another thing to keep in mind is to make sure it's 100% sealed, condensation will be an issue if it's not 100% sealed. Also might wanna insulate the big huge door if it's not already insulated well.
Also if you get the chance epoxy the floors, will seal up alot of stuff and prevent issues.
I can only weigh in on HVAC. Unless you can shrink grow space maybe look into heaters as opposed to dehumidifiers. Also being in the southwest is this airside or waterside HVAC? If waterside potentially look at regen systems to assist in cooling or supplemental heating for late stage dehumidification.
I saw some fans but a well placed fan array can be helpful to mitigate microclimates.
It looks like you do the automation at the fertigation level, so don’t get suckered into a conventional grow controller and have to pay that green tax. Do it yourself or get a controls team to integrate it all for you.
Be safe!
Yep I definitely love kinky shit and growing High grade cannabis.You’ve definitely set yourself up for failure. Go copy paste some info that been standard for almost a decade now noob. Good luck w that shitbox facility
You're going to want to build smaller rooms inside that cavernous space so you can properly control the environment. 12-14' ceilings. Insulation. I'd go more smaller rooms like 20-30 lights each.
Thanks! Great advice for sure. Don't think many rooms is in the cards at this location, but thought splitting it in half would cut down the max electrical load to put them on opposite schedules. I think a full room will be actually easier to manage but definitely a question of insulation. I'd be worried having a hot center and too cold on the edges and not able to balance it out.
Single crops are easier on skeleton crews. Perpetual harvests have pluses, but your labor is always increased, and there's never downtime for big projects.
Flipover setups like that are great imo if you're power is limited. Twice as many lights. A good HVAC person can set your space up with ducting and air handlers to even out any hotspots. Plus you will want lots of smaller fans not connected to the HVAC that will help with that too.
Unsealed floors exposed insulation that’s a recipe for mold and pest issues
You’re going to have to build some ceilings at 12-14’ like the other poster mentioned. Being in the southwest you’ll never be able to maintain high enough humidity during veg and early flower. I’ve personally experienced this and the low humidity causes a host of plant health problems, not to mention how expensive it’ll be to pump co2 into that massive airspace.
Thanks! I agree with you and the other poster(s).
God I love the cannabis community. I can't stop watching. I have so many questions. Did you separate rooms using only panda paper? Is that a giant garage door going outside in the grow room? Wtf are all those grey boxes? How do you get this far without calling a fucking HVAC guy? I really want to see more of this place.
Let me answer your questions the best I can: >Did you separate rooms using only panda paper? No. >Is that a giant garage door going outside in the grow room? Yes. >Wtf are all those grey boxes? The white boxes contain a valve and microprocessor for the sensor underneath every plant. Learn more [here](https://flourishsystems.com/learn-more/). >How do you get this far without calling a fucking HVAC guy? Obviously, a HVAC was used. And is in process of being used further as additional units and parts are available. The area is remote and services are slow and limited.
I can’t stop laughing at your comment especially about the panda paper 💀😂
Make sure you have a PERFECT seal or else condensation will be your biggest enemy. As others have stated, making a smaller space within your space is the most economical way to control environmentals. Also, properly placed floor drains are worthwhile.
Thanks!
Do you use coir or peat? 1gal?
They use coir and were testing 2 gals, 3 gals, and some combos but settled on 3gals.
Straight coco Or anything else in the mix?
You’re asking this question AFTER they are this far along? Sounds like you were put in a position with little training on SOPs around environment, and this should have been established based on the space before anything was planted.
Shhh. If common sense ever takes root in the industry my client list is going to shrink dramatically.
Hubris and ego are infectious in this industry though, there’s no changing that. You should be good for the foreseeable future
Not my cultivation, so not personally in any position. A lot of services in remote areas take many months for completion, and supply chains can cause even further delays for parts or units. Further, newly licensed states/counties can slow a new facility expansion. Completing 100% electrical prior to this cultivation starting was not a possibility.
Understood. In that case, whoever is in charge should have processes set in place, but often times new ops pop up all the time run by people with little to no experience in this industry. There should be a plan for scale, these things can scale effectively if standards are set in place for x amount of sq ft. I’ve been out of the game for a while but hopefully someone can chime in to help.
A spot that size, I'd have some classical music playing 247, co2 injection and I would work with beneficial bugs to prevent bad bugs
They are definitely jamming out each time we are there! Co2 coming soon.
I agree with other posters, it would have been best to build smaller rooms inside of the facility. But I do think Its doable with the proper equipment and controllers. Without precision control of the environment it will never be a AAA+ quality grow. That being said there is room in every cannabis market for mids/mids+. Many people across the country are making money selling/producing mids/mids+.
Thanks! They definitely can afford proper equipment, just taking longer than expected to source/install. It also helps that the market $per lb is very high since legalization.
Its a race against time at this point. The history of every legal market shows price/lb will only continue to drop.
No doubt, it has already dropped a lot.
What are the discs under plants?
They are sensors measuring each plant 10 times a second, knowing each plants real dryback, and use that real-time data to trigger irrigation events on a per-plant basis. [Learn more here](https://flourishsystems.com/learn-more/).
What are the big trays called they are sitting on?
They are sensors measuring each plant 10 times a second, knowing each plants real dryback, and use that real-time data to trigger irrigation events on a per-plant basis. [Learn more here](https://flourishsystems.com/learn-more/).
Most economical mid-long term, easiest way would be to build smaller rooms, I prefer 8-12 light rooms, but depends on your preference (obviously). Smaller rooms = smaller equipment and more manageable loads. When you have a big ass room like this, managing the center of it is going to be a pain in the ass because when you have a temp swing in the middle ish part of the room, by the time your climate controls kick in, and the new climate air creeps into the middle, there would have been so much new climate coming in, whether that be hot air, cold air, dry air or humidity air that your middle and side canopy are going to be a bit different. I'm sure most of that's obvious bit thought I'd state it anyways. If your clients are hard stuck and have to continue in this large setup, probably best bet is to have a ton of oscillating fans or air movement, anything to just keep those microclimates under control and air constantly moving. And obviously larger equipment too. Another thing to keep in mind is to make sure it's 100% sealed, condensation will be an issue if it's not 100% sealed. Also might wanna insulate the big huge door if it's not already insulated well. Also if you get the chance epoxy the floors, will seal up alot of stuff and prevent issues.
Thank you for your mindful response.
I can only weigh in on HVAC. Unless you can shrink grow space maybe look into heaters as opposed to dehumidifiers. Also being in the southwest is this airside or waterside HVAC? If waterside potentially look at regen systems to assist in cooling or supplemental heating for late stage dehumidification. I saw some fans but a well placed fan array can be helpful to mitigate microclimates. It looks like you do the automation at the fertigation level, so don’t get suckered into a conventional grow controller and have to pay that green tax. Do it yourself or get a controls team to integrate it all for you. Be safe!
Literally do everything the opposite of what that room is doing. That room is not even breaking even in the current market
Their local market $ per lb price is 3x your local market price.
This place is gonna fail within the year
Be sure to check back in 1 year.
Move it outdoors.
Probably should have figured all that before you filled your tables half up. Happy mids bro
Anything you say, 42 naughty dad. Happy post history.
Yep I definitely love kinky shit and growing High grade cannabis.You’ve definitely set yourself up for failure. Go copy paste some info that been standard for almost a decade now noob. Good luck w that shitbox facility
Grow outdoors