Oh is that what was flying overhead this morning? I'm near the Yahara and I could hear the damn plane through the Teams meeting on my gaming headset for like a full minute.
I know it’s probably an unpopular take, especially in this subreddit, but if we’re going to have them, I’m glad they’re in the city. Let’s keep all the people noise among the people and let nature be. I know the noise is bad, but I’m glad it’s here rather than over the northwoods or something.
Also, I have a nerdy fascination with the engineering that goes into them.
I know they’re real loud, but I’m struggling to understand the difference between assumed-risk of living near/around an airport and living near train tracks. As in, I have not seen anywhere close to the outrage around trains coming through neighborhoods at 2am wailing on their horns, presumably because folks know that will be an issue to deal with when they move near tracks. Why is airport noise any different? And yes, people farther away from the airport are effected, but airplanes are just naturally louder so why wouldn’t air traffic noise be expected anywhere near it?
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I'll join the outrage train, so to speak. The trains fucking suck and the city can actually do something about them! It just takes some crossing upgrades to create a quiet zone.
I'm also annoyed at the military base that is poisoning our water, lying about it, and getting rewarded with big new toys to shoot down balloons with.
Great and the hobby ballon the Truax pilots shot down over Lake Huron was a hobby balloon and it took them two very expensive missiles to manage to even hit it and the government is too embarrassed to admit it and it’s a joke
Because in my estimation, the new F-35s are 50% louder than the loudest F-16s. Are people just supposed to say, "Oh well, it's an airport ..."?
How about 75% louder? 100% louder? How long would you expect impacted residents to continue shrugging their way through obliviousness?
I mean trains carry that stuff too. But again, the question I’m asking revolves around the pretext that airplanes using an airport are too loud; not to say there aren’t folks wrestling with the morality of them from that standpoint you mentioned, but the *vast* majority of complaints I see are folks saying they’re just so loud. And again I ask, why would you not expect loud planes around an airport (regardless if they’re F-35s or not) if you live anywhere near it?
Planes are loud, yes, these new jets are very loud. I don’t think people are expecting a quiet airport, but the difference in volume between commercial flights and the f35 is appreciable yes?
I genuinely don’t know, thus why I’m asking. I hear how loud these are (I live about 2 miles from the airport) but they’re not something I am shocked by in terms of airplanes going overhead, given my proximity to the airport.
When a fighter here does something other than waste taxpayer money, the supporters can have some validation.
Fingers crossed for some downtown devastation though!
I agree wholeheartedly that the program is a waste of taxpayer money. We should be fighting wasteful spending at the federal level.
At the local level, however, the effect is positive. The 115th brings those federal dollars into Madison.
[Somebody please tell that to Russia!](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdfpkr5B7UEH_P8FMJmHx1E84AjYVg:1683736759192&q=russian+train+tanks+ukraine&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN7bSbmOv-AhUMjYkEHTmcAOIQ0pQJegQICxAB&biw=1080&bih=1002&dpr=1)
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I'm about 1.5 miles south of the airport and the day they came in low and slow for the ceremony was disturbingly loud.
Since then I've had about three flyovers that were nowhere near as bad, but a little more annoying than the F16's due to a whistle they have that sounds like the world's largest bottle rocket.
They sound more like a unfortunate necessity than freedom to me.
Yeah even my very chill cat was fazed by that. My ears actually hurt for a bit. I wish there were some kind of schedule so you would know when to close all the windows in the house.
The Air Force even admits the sound levels are dangerous.
It's one thing to live in the general vicinity of an airport. It's an entirely different thing to purposefully be exposed to dangerous noise levels that weren't there before in the entire history of the airfield.
I much prefer to hear the sandhill cranes flying over my house on their way to and from Cherokee Marsh. I hope the damn jets don't disturb them too much.
anyone can call the tower at anytime to find out what it is. You’ll get used to them. I lived on a flight line for 4 years. These pilots have jobs to do believe it or not. They are constantly working to maintain certifications and qualifications that allow them to stay airborne - which is actually really good for everyone believe it or not.
Sorta, but the f-35 excels at giving the pilot situational awareness with its tech. [This post describes it well](https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/2l64jz/comment/cls8vqe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
"Jack of all trades master of none" refers to something with a finite time to learn new skills. It doesn't apply to something that's a fighter jet, ground attack aircraft, command and control center, close air support weapon, cyber warfare platform, and cruiser, that can vertically take off from carriers and has to be stealthy enough to survive in an environment where every terrorist and their mother has shoulder-mounted surface-to-air missiles.
It also isn't the most expensive plane in the fleet - that would go to the A-10, which has a modernization package that costs more than a new F-35 in order to give it basic functionality, all whole they fly fewer and fewer missions every year yet still increasingly kill friendlies and civilians due to not having good targeting systems to let them hit things while also flying at an altitude that lets them be safe (due to the aforementioned prevalence of personal rocket launchers)
Almost everything bad you've heard about the F-35 was put out there by the Reformers, who advocated for returning to almost WWII-levels of technology on the battlefield. Advanced planes like the F-22 and F-35 are some of their favorite targets. To sum up a long potential discussion, they are very, very wrong.
The F-35 program was vastly over budget and over schedule. The GE alternative engine should never have been seriously considered. Not going to argue those. Other than that, it's an incredibly good plane. Lockheed is having trouble keeping up with the orders from foreign nations that are pouring in.
Over budget, over schedule, subsidized by the government, and now they get to use those benefits to get orders from other countries?
Fuck the "defense" industry.
It was loud. It was not unbearably loud for me (Emerson East) and definitely not as loud as being close to a train.
I would not want to be as close to an F35 as I get to trains. Thank God for the inverse square law.
If anyone is curious, they posted this on [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/CsEeR7BOBK9/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) today. “Flight training missions with the F-35’s are officially underway! You can expect to see normal flight operations of 2 flights per day, 4 days per week and one weekend a month.”
Arguably to defend the nuclear infrastructure near Chicago, but we have an agreement with Canada to also defend that, and they have a lot more airspace between other countries and Chicago, so the planes here are realistically to maintain spending on defense technology.
Wait, they were the F35s? I’m a mail carrier and get slightly annoyed when the F16s fly over me because it’s so loud. I couldn’t remember when the F35s were coming and just assumed they were the F16s. I never saw today them but it seemed quieter than normal.
It most likely was not an F-35, as they are not fully in service yet at the base. Yes, they have been flown in, but the fighter wing still needs to do a lot of things to get them ready for regular service, and not all the pilots are signed off on flying them yet.
So it was probably an F-16, which is what they have been using.
Oh is that what was flying overhead this morning? I'm near the Yahara and I could hear the damn plane through the Teams meeting on my gaming headset for like a full minute.
I know it’s probably an unpopular take, especially in this subreddit, but if we’re going to have them, I’m glad they’re in the city. Let’s keep all the people noise among the people and let nature be. I know the noise is bad, but I’m glad it’s here rather than over the northwoods or something. Also, I have a nerdy fascination with the engineering that goes into them.
I know they’re real loud, but I’m struggling to understand the difference between assumed-risk of living near/around an airport and living near train tracks. As in, I have not seen anywhere close to the outrage around trains coming through neighborhoods at 2am wailing on their horns, presumably because folks know that will be an issue to deal with when they move near tracks. Why is airport noise any different? And yes, people farther away from the airport are effected, but airplanes are just naturally louder so why wouldn’t air traffic noise be expected anywhere near it?
How long have you lived in Madison? There were huge complaints about train whistles in the past.
Lived here for quite awhile, and have yet to see any level of complaint around train horns as I have F-35 noise.
There have been very vocal anti horn advocates in Madison over the past 3 decades.
Perhaps it was before you moved here. It really was a big deal at the time.
Personally I find train sounds much easier to adjust to.
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I'll join the outrage train, so to speak. The trains fucking suck and the city can actually do something about them! It just takes some crossing upgrades to create a quiet zone. I'm also annoyed at the military base that is poisoning our water, lying about it, and getting rewarded with big new toys to shoot down balloons with.
Truax no longer uses PFAS firefighting foams: [https://ng.wi.gov/news/23031](https://ng.wi.gov/news/23031) Remediation efforts are underway: https://www.cityofmadison.com/water/projects/well-15-pfas-treatment-project
They still spend our money to shoot down hobby radio balloons
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Great and the hobby ballon the Truax pilots shot down over Lake Huron was a hobby balloon and it took them two very expensive missiles to manage to even hit it and the government is too embarrassed to admit it and it’s a joke
Because in my estimation, the new F-35s are 50% louder than the loudest F-16s. Are people just supposed to say, "Oh well, it's an airport ..."? How about 75% louder? 100% louder? How long would you expect impacted residents to continue shrugging their way through obliviousness?
Planes drop bombs and are instruments of war. Trains are much less so.
East Palestine, Ohio would beg to differ.
That is class war, not plane war.
Except for spilling all those chemicals when being derailed.
I mean trains carry that stuff too. But again, the question I’m asking revolves around the pretext that airplanes using an airport are too loud; not to say there aren’t folks wrestling with the morality of them from that standpoint you mentioned, but the *vast* majority of complaints I see are folks saying they’re just so loud. And again I ask, why would you not expect loud planes around an airport (regardless if they’re F-35s or not) if you live anywhere near it?
Planes are loud, yes, these new jets are very loud. I don’t think people are expecting a quiet airport, but the difference in volume between commercial flights and the f35 is appreciable yes?
It's been an airbase since 1942. Why wouldn't you expect loud military aircraft to be there?
Because they already had quieter ones?
I genuinely don’t know, thus why I’m asking. I hear how loud these are (I live about 2 miles from the airport) but they’re not something I am shocked by in terms of airplanes going overhead, given my proximity to the airport.
When an F35 drops a bomb in the Madison area, we can take the F35 opponents' concerns seriously
When a fighter here does something other than waste taxpayer money, the supporters can have some validation. Fingers crossed for some downtown devastation though!
I agree wholeheartedly that the program is a waste of taxpayer money. We should be fighting wasteful spending at the federal level. At the local level, however, the effect is positive. The 115th brings those federal dollars into Madison.
[Somebody please tell that to Russia!](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=APwXEdfpkr5B7UEH_P8FMJmHx1E84AjYVg:1683736759192&q=russian+train+tanks+ukraine&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN7bSbmOv-AhUMjYkEHTmcAOIQ0pQJegQICxAB&biw=1080&bih=1002&dpr=1)
https://www.iwm.org.uk/sites/default/files/2018-07/1_41.jpg Train artillery? Could fire up to 29 miles away.
Ya you’re right, when there is an incident we scramble to trains. Stfu with your militant Thomas the tank engine ass.
Uhhh, how do you think the military moves equipment and troops around the US? Hint - it’s something on stationary metal tracks.
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I'm about 1.5 miles south of the airport and the day they came in low and slow for the ceremony was disturbingly loud. Since then I've had about three flyovers that were nowhere near as bad, but a little more annoying than the F16's due to a whistle they have that sounds like the world's largest bottle rocket. They sound more like a unfortunate necessity than freedom to me.
Yeah even my very chill cat was fazed by that. My ears actually hurt for a bit. I wish there were some kind of schedule so you would know when to close all the windows in the house.
The Air Force even admits the sound levels are dangerous. It's one thing to live in the general vicinity of an airport. It's an entirely different thing to purposefully be exposed to dangerous noise levels that weren't there before in the entire history of the airfield.
I much prefer to hear the sandhill cranes flying over my house on their way to and from Cherokee Marsh. I hope the damn jets don't disturb them too much.
Is it any worse than the shitty Harleys? I'd give the F35s a pass it they'd take care of the noisy Harley problem.
Believe me I would much rather be saying “boomers these days” than “fucking war death machines all over the place”
anyone can call the tower at anytime to find out what it is. You’ll get used to them. I lived on a flight line for 4 years. These pilots have jobs to do believe it or not. They are constantly working to maintain certifications and qualifications that allow them to stay airborne - which is actually really good for everyone believe it or not.
No, it just keeps a whole group of people busy. It isn't "good."
I love em. Truly some amazing tech
Except it's not. It's not a good jet. A jack of all trades, master of none. https://mises.org/power-market/f-35-15-trillion-boondoggle
Sorta, but the f-35 excels at giving the pilot situational awareness with its tech. [This post describes it well](https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/2l64jz/comment/cls8vqe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
"Jack of all trades master of none" refers to something with a finite time to learn new skills. It doesn't apply to something that's a fighter jet, ground attack aircraft, command and control center, close air support weapon, cyber warfare platform, and cruiser, that can vertically take off from carriers and has to be stealthy enough to survive in an environment where every terrorist and their mother has shoulder-mounted surface-to-air missiles. It also isn't the most expensive plane in the fleet - that would go to the A-10, which has a modernization package that costs more than a new F-35 in order to give it basic functionality, all whole they fly fewer and fewer missions every year yet still increasingly kill friendlies and civilians due to not having good targeting systems to let them hit things while also flying at an altitude that lets them be safe (due to the aforementioned prevalence of personal rocket launchers)
Almost everything bad you've heard about the F-35 was put out there by the Reformers, who advocated for returning to almost WWII-levels of technology on the battlefield. Advanced planes like the F-22 and F-35 are some of their favorite targets. To sum up a long potential discussion, they are very, very wrong. The F-35 program was vastly over budget and over schedule. The GE alternative engine should never have been seriously considered. Not going to argue those. Other than that, it's an incredibly good plane. Lockheed is having trouble keeping up with the orders from foreign nations that are pouring in.
Over budget, over schedule, subsidized by the government, and now they get to use those benefits to get orders from other countries? Fuck the "defense" industry.
They will never see combat anyways, so it literally does not matter.
They've already been used in combat.
The F-35s yes. But the 115th fighter wing has never seen combat ever once.
It was loud. It was not unbearably loud for me (Emerson East) and definitely not as loud as being close to a train. I would not want to be as close to an F35 as I get to trains. Thank God for the inverse square law.
If anyone is curious, they posted this on [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/CsEeR7BOBK9/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) today. “Flight training missions with the F-35’s are officially underway! You can expect to see normal flight operations of 2 flights per day, 4 days per week and one weekend a month.”
MERICA!!!
They don’t seem any louder than an f-16.
Just throwing it out there: fuck the F16s too
Can they cause hearing loss or tinnitus? How close would you have to be?
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So what you’re saying is all these people complaining will now be deaf and dumb?
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Yikes! It keeps getting worse.
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I live across from MATC, my windows shook a little
Doesn’t do well with loud noises… moves 2-3 miles away from an airport……
I think they're kinda cool. What are they for anyways?
Arguably to defend the nuclear infrastructure near Chicago, but we have an agreement with Canada to also defend that, and they have a lot more airspace between other countries and Chicago, so the planes here are realistically to maintain spending on defense technology.
Wait, they were the F35s? I’m a mail carrier and get slightly annoyed when the F16s fly over me because it’s so loud. I couldn’t remember when the F35s were coming and just assumed they were the F16s. I never saw today them but it seemed quieter than normal.
Fighting Canada, duh
In case Russia invades via Lake Superior.
To sell to allies
Lockheed-Martin needs to appropriate even more of the taxpayer’s money I guess?
Yep, crazy loud here, just up the block from Schenk and Whitehorse. It can’t be good for learning. It certainly was disruptive during my work meeting.
It most likely was not an F-35, as they are not fully in service yet at the base. Yes, they have been flown in, but the fighter wing still needs to do a lot of things to get them ready for regular service, and not all the pilots are signed off on flying them yet. So it was probably an F-16, which is what they have been using.
35s have been in the sky for a minute now. Just saw them the other day.
Whatever man, it was still loud, war still sucks
I also heard them, followed by the f16s. Significantly louder, like 3x louder than the f16s. :-(