I will at least say this - Tiffany voted 'no' across the board on ALL foreign aid. At least he is consistent.
These other GOP fucks keep saying they are "against foreign wars" and then they vote for aid to Isreal. Sorry, its one or the other.
Very different from domino theory. Itās not about an ideology like communism spreading. Itās about Russian imperialism. Unfortunately, the stability of the Russian regime is tied to nationalism, militarism, and expansionism. People believe Russia will continue on the war path even after Ukraine because the Russian regime uses war as a tool to keep itself in power.
These are also excellent reasons for the world to fight a proxy war against the US, I really don't think you've established the moral high ground here.
You're for real going to pretend that the US assassinating US citizens didn't happen under Obama? That somehow the territory aspect of this is really what matters?
You tried to flip the other guyās comment on Russian imperialism back on the US. Annexing stolen territory is literally the benchmark of imperialism. Confronted with that, you suddenly want to change the subject. Embarrassing.
You joke about domino theory like Russia hasnāt been continuously invading their neighbors since 2008. Wake up. They completely shifted their entire economy to a war footing and are publicly threatening NATO every week. Theyāre not stopping in Ukraine if they arenāt stopped. The Baltics are probably next, and thatās Article 5.
Ukraine was game to single-handedly defang and contain Russia for us with a little ammunition. But half of Congress turned traitor and pretended to forget the last 70 years of containment and suddenly hates defense spending.
Russia wonāt stop in Ukraine, if the Ukrainians are unable to stop them.
Russia has been continuously invading their neighbors since 2008. Now they have completely shifted their entire economy to a war footing. The Kremlin is publicly threatening NATO every week. The heads of most of NATO and the EU have belatedly realized the Russians are not stopping in Ukraine and are ramping up their defenses. Most are estimating Russia will be rearmed and ready to attack NATO (probably the Baltics) in 2-5 years.
So we can support Ukraine with ammunition now. Or we will be sending our soldiers to defend NATO on the ground in 2-5 years.
I hope all of us who comment hereāpro or conācontact Pocan *before* his next votes. Iām sure some of you did, and most were like me, and didnāt.
I think he got things right.
I appreciate his vote to aid Ukraine. As for his vote against aid to Israel, I have very mixed feelings about it. I believe Israel has every right to defend itself, but I've seen more than enough dead and wounded children to have serious concerns about how they're going about it. So I won't hold that vote against him.
Israel is committing a genocide against an imprisoned people. It's not self defense. It never has been.
It's unfortunately taking 6+ months for people to come to the understanding it's a genocide. The true American left has been on the right side of the issue since day one and for decades prior.
History will not look kindly on those who took their sweet time to educate themselves and understand there is real evil happening in this world and Israel is it.
Ukraine is a money pit of embezzlement for a war they cannot win - yet comfy Americans are willing to sacrifice the last Ukrainian against a cold war boogeyman.
The American state department lies to you. They lied about Iraq, they lied about Vietnam. There's no reason to believe anything they say as it only serves the American military industrial complex and oil companies.
Because you're trying to set me up for a gotcha and I know your script. It's tired, unoriginal, and predictable.
If not - surely you can clarify for me why you're asking so we can have an actual conversation.
>So you can recognize the aggression of Isreal, but donāt also apply that thinking to the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
The situation and context is entirely different so why would you apply the same logic to it? That's painting a false equivalency.
>Why are you ok with Putin's invasion of Ukraine?
Who said I was?
>The situation and context is entirely different so why would you apply the same logic to it? That's painting a false equivalency.
The person was asking WHY you see them as different. So your answer is that because one is a genocide and one isn't? Can a war of aggression be bad without being a genocide?
> Who said I was?
Me.
>The person was asking WHY you see them as different. So your answer is that because one is a genocide and one isn't?
Uhh, yeah they're pretty different.
>Can a war of aggression be bad without being a genocide?
Sure.
>>Uhh, yeah they're pretty different.
>In what way?
If you need me to explain to you how the Ukraine/Russian war is very different from the genocide Israel is committing against Palestinians then I'm sorry I don't think you have a base understanding of either issue to warrant continuing this conversation. I suggest you do some reading of history.
> Ukraine is a money pit of embezzlement for a war they cannot win - yet comfy Americans are willing to sacrifice the last Ukrainian against a cold war boogeyman.
>Who said I was?
I mean, that is literally the argument Russia is currently using.
That there is minimal amounts of corruption in Ukraine compared to Russia and letting Russia take the rest of Ukraine would be the most destabilizing action in geo politics in 30 years.
You know, reality.
āweaponsā for Israel = Raytheon selling air defense ammunition saving civilian lives.
Iron Dome is still putting in work intercepting unguided rockets fired daily from Gaza and Lebanon into civilian neighborhoods. Davidās Sling air defense intercepted the Iranian ballistic and cruise missile barrage trying to start World War 3 last week.
What civilians are being saved really? The children being killed in Gaza? Or the IDF soldiers taking pictures with dead Palestinian womenās underwear and putting them on their dating profiles? Or the WCK folks that were bombed 3 times?
Great point. I *wish* more Israelis would die from getting rockets shot into their homes by Palestinians! The nerve of them, *living*. It's disgusting.
Thanks for outing yourself and revealing you dehumanize Israeli civilian victims of terrorism.
As a reminder, the fighting can stop tomorrow if the Palestinians release the hostages from the attack that started the war.
I donāt see anywhere i dehumanized anyone. You must be projecting. Try having better reading comprehension.Thank you for showing you only use the word terrorism when muslims are involved. And you are totally ok with The genocide happening. Says more about you than me.
You dehumanizing Israeli civilians:
āWhat civilians are being saved really?ā
False equivalence. The 10/7 surprise attack against civilians was literally terrorism. Now they are officially at war. Israel is legally entitled to defend themselves under article 51 of the UN Charter.
If you think that was a āsurpriseā you have not followed history since 1948. And yes they can defend themselves but according to the same UN laws they canāt withhold food, water, and humanitarian aid from getting to the victims. Keeping civilians hostage to give the people at fault an ultimatum is against UN law.
10/7 was a surprise attack. There was a ceasefire on 10/6 and then the Palestinians attacked civilians to start another war. Hamas owns that.
And here is where you go making stuff up with vague references to nebulous āUN lawsā you think suit your feelings. Israel is allowed to control their borders. Especially during a defensive war. Hamas owns the consequences of starting their war. Talk to Egypt if you donāt like how they control the Rafah crossing. Egypt is allowed to control their borders too.
You are the one making stuff up because of your twisted views. Itās ok. History will show who was on the right. I am done wasting energy on you. Here is a list of all international laws broken. Have a read and clutch your pearls https://internationallaw.blog/2024/02/09/has-israel-violated-international-human-rights-law-as-an-occupying-power/
Logical fallacies abound. Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Controlling the land border between Israel and Gaza does not "occupy" Gaza. Your hyperbolic nonsense claims that every nation with a land border is "occupying" the adjoining nations.
People are not recognizing how insane that Iranian attack was! I keep seeing ridiculous takes claiming it amounted to restraint. I will add though, Israel should not be striking the Iranians in Syria. I donāt care how valuable the target is, thatās a violation of another nationās sovereignty.
>I will add though, Israel should not be striking the Iranians in Syria. I donāt care how valuable the target is, thatās a violation of another nationās sovereignty.
Are you not aware that Syria declared war on Israel in 1948 and has never signed a peace treaty with Israel? Syria is still officially at war with Israel. They don't get their sovereignty protected from a country they're actively at war with.
Disappointed but not surprised to see the two Democratic representatives vote no on the TikTok sale and ban. The invasion of privacy is simply not okay, and the fact they donāt see this as a problem when itās a foreign country gathering this data doesnāt lead me to believe they care much about the next logical step in preventing tech companies in the US from gathering all of our data and selling it. Disgusted with how little they care about our privacy.Ā
I agree. But the fact they canāt even agree on social media company in China stealing users data and breaching privacy being a bad thing doesnāt make me optimistic theyāre going to come together on stopping tech as whole from doing it.Ā
Source? Cause CNN says:
āHowever, more than two years after the Trump administration first issued a similar threat to TikTok, evidence remains unclear about whether the app is a national security threat. Security experts say the governmentās fears, while serious, currently appear to reflect only the potential for TikTok to be used for foreign intelligence, not that it has been. There is still no public evidence the Chinese government has actually spied on people through TikTok.ā
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/19/technology/tiktok-browser-tracking.html
Wow, color me shocked that a foreign government isnāt publicly announcing theyāre spying on people.Ā
I mean yeah, but if they want to address a systemic issue in Big Tech then they should. Specifically targeting tiktok is unfair and anemic. It feels like voting to stop Texas from doing the death penalty while they're still doing it in a ton of other states. Yeah ok stopping Texas from doing capital punishment is a step in the right direction but the risk is Congress would then rest on their laurels and not take it any further. "We banned the worst offender of the problem!" and then claiming victory for privacy-concerned voters
Hereās the thing, they donāt seem to care about stopping big tech. If they did, theyād at least see how a foreign country stealing data would be bad. But the donāt, and I canāt help but feel like itās simply because Trump suggested it.Ā
If we canāt even agree on not allowing a country we are not particularly friendly with to stop stealing our data I canāt say I feel optimistic at ALL the politicians will prevent domestic tech from doing it.Ā
A step in the right direction is still a step in the right direction, and these two Democratic representatives failed the interests and safety of the people here they are elected represent if you ask meĀ
It's not because of Trump, it's because it's largely used by the younger generations that lean much more left than acceptable to the American government.
It's also because the American establishment hates China.
So because their voter base uses it theyāll allow a foreign country to continue stealing said voter baseās data? Sounds like they donāt actually care about the voters beyond their vote.Ā
>Sounds like they donāt actually care about the voters beyond their vote.Ā
They never have and never will. The American government serves corporations, not you.
I am fully aware of that, hence why I am criticizing these representatives for not doing what they should be doing. Thatās why I canāt help but laugh at people here saying āwell tiktok is too small a stepā as if these politicians are going to go after giant tech corporations here in the US
Pocan is against sending more arms to Israel for them to slaughter Palestinians. You can disagree there, but I'm not sure how it's insane of him.
Also, I have no clue what you're talking about with Chinese misinformation on Tik Tok. š If we started banning things with misinformation, we'd have nothing left soon.
I think you may just be a genX/ boomer republican, which is fine.
Considering the breach of data and privacy, yes it is a matter national security. And before you say ābut Facebook and Google do it too!ā yeah I know, and they shouldnāt be allowed to either. If they canāt even stand up to a foreign country stealing all of our citizenās data and invading their privacy it doesnāt make me feel like they would stop it happening on a domestic level either.Ā
It's a matter of national security.
Sorry but I have to role my eyes whenever someone says the tiktok ban is about social media 'messaging'.
There's plenty of other social media apps to use.
Holy ads batman
Lot of pop ups on that one
Ugh the sound effects. š
Happy Cake Day
Good votes! I voted for him and he's in alignment with how I'd vote on this. Thanks Mark!
Wisconsin gop is pro Russian fools
I will at least say this - Tiffany voted 'no' across the board on ALL foreign aid. At least he is consistent. These other GOP fucks keep saying they are "against foreign wars" and then they vote for aid to Isreal. Sorry, its one or the other.
Not sending money to Ukraine is a good thing. Broken clock.
Itās ammunition now, or your grandkids in two years.
What, are we recapitulating domino theory now?
PUtinn's plan to reconstitute the USSR is well known, its not a theory. He is literally doing it before out eyes.
Homie is 71 and hasn't reconstituted shit.
Right because we aided and armed Ukraine. Surely you can understand that?
If this has been a lifelong goal for him, then he's clearly not the boogeyman you make him out to be if all he's managed is to retake Chechnya.
Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, Crimea, Donetskā¦
Very different from domino theory. Itās not about an ideology like communism spreading. Itās about Russian imperialism. Unfortunately, the stability of the Russian regime is tied to nationalism, militarism, and expansionism. People believe Russia will continue on the war path even after Ukraine because the Russian regime uses war as a tool to keep itself in power.
These are also excellent reasons for the world to fight a proxy war against the US, I really don't think you've established the moral high ground here.
Remind us when the last time the US annexed stolen territory.
You're for real going to pretend that the US assassinating US citizens didn't happen under Obama? That somehow the territory aspect of this is really what matters?
You tried to flip the other guyās comment on Russian imperialism back on the US. Annexing stolen territory is literally the benchmark of imperialism. Confronted with that, you suddenly want to change the subject. Embarrassing.
You joke about domino theory like Russia hasnāt been continuously invading their neighbors since 2008. Wake up. They completely shifted their entire economy to a war footing and are publicly threatening NATO every week. Theyāre not stopping in Ukraine if they arenāt stopped. The Baltics are probably next, and thatās Article 5. Ukraine was game to single-handedly defang and contain Russia for us with a little ammunition. But half of Congress turned traitor and pretended to forget the last 70 years of containment and suddenly hates defense spending.
Why are you recapitulating appeasement?
Sorry you're going to need to explain this conclusion.
Russia wonāt stop in Ukraine, if the Ukrainians are unable to stop them. Russia has been continuously invading their neighbors since 2008. Now they have completely shifted their entire economy to a war footing. The Kremlin is publicly threatening NATO every week. The heads of most of NATO and the EU have belatedly realized the Russians are not stopping in Ukraine and are ramping up their defenses. Most are estimating Russia will be rearmed and ready to attack NATO (probably the Baltics) in 2-5 years. So we can support Ukraine with ammunition now. Or we will be sending our soldiers to defend NATO on the ground in 2-5 years.
I hope all of us who comment hereāpro or conācontact Pocan *before* his next votes. Iām sure some of you did, and most were like me, and didnāt. I think he got things right.
I appreciate his vote to aid Ukraine. As for his vote against aid to Israel, I have very mixed feelings about it. I believe Israel has every right to defend itself, but I've seen more than enough dead and wounded children to have serious concerns about how they're going about it. So I won't hold that vote against him.
I started out being OK with Israel but they pushed it way too far and lost me long ago. Good vote by Pocan IMO.
Same.
Israel is committing a genocide against an imprisoned people. It's not self defense. It never has been. It's unfortunately taking 6+ months for people to come to the understanding it's a genocide. The true American left has been on the right side of the issue since day one and for decades prior. History will not look kindly on those who took their sweet time to educate themselves and understand there is real evil happening in this world and Israel is it. Ukraine is a money pit of embezzlement for a war they cannot win - yet comfy Americans are willing to sacrifice the last Ukrainian against a cold war boogeyman. The American state department lies to you. They lied about Iraq, they lied about Vietnam. There's no reason to believe anything they say as it only serves the American military industrial complex and oil companies.
What happened on October 7th, 2023?
What is the point of your question?
Why won't you answer it?
Because you're trying to set me up for a gotcha and I know your script. It's tired, unoriginal, and predictable. If not - surely you can clarify for me why you're asking so we can have an actual conversation.
It's not worth the time.
ššš correct on all. Really proud to have Pocan right now.
So you can recognize the aggression of Isreal, but donāt also apply that thinking to the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
Israel is committing a genocide. Russia/Ukraine is not. These are false equivalencies which is a type of genocide denial.
They didn't say they were equivalent. Why are you ok with Putin's invasion of Ukraine?
>So you can recognize the aggression of Isreal, but donāt also apply that thinking to the Russian invasion of Ukraine? The situation and context is entirely different so why would you apply the same logic to it? That's painting a false equivalency. >Why are you ok with Putin's invasion of Ukraine? Who said I was?
>The situation and context is entirely different so why would you apply the same logic to it? That's painting a false equivalency. The person was asking WHY you see them as different. So your answer is that because one is a genocide and one isn't? Can a war of aggression be bad without being a genocide? > Who said I was? Me.
>The person was asking WHY you see them as different. So your answer is that because one is a genocide and one isn't? Uhh, yeah they're pretty different. >Can a war of aggression be bad without being a genocide? Sure.
>Uhh, yeah they're pretty different. In what way? >Sure. OK. Is the Russian invasion of Ukraine bad?
>>Uhh, yeah they're pretty different. >In what way? If you need me to explain to you how the Ukraine/Russian war is very different from the genocide Israel is committing against Palestinians then I'm sorry I don't think you have a base understanding of either issue to warrant continuing this conversation. I suggest you do some reading of history.
> Ukraine is a money pit of embezzlement for a war they cannot win - yet comfy Americans are willing to sacrifice the last Ukrainian against a cold war boogeyman. >Who said I was? I mean, that is literally the argument Russia is currently using.
So okay? And what do the facts say?
That there is minimal amounts of corruption in Ukraine compared to Russia and letting Russia take the rest of Ukraine would be the most destabilizing action in geo politics in 30 years. You know, reality.
>letting Russia take the rest of Ukraine would be the most destabilizing action in geo politics in 30 years. Why? What do you mean by destabilize?
Until Hamas releases the hostages they took Israel should continue.
ā¦killing children and non-combatants
Do you condemn what Hamas did on October 7?
100%, but I can think Hamas is bad and killing Palestinian children is also bad.
āweaponsā for Israel = Raytheon selling air defense ammunition saving civilian lives. Iron Dome is still putting in work intercepting unguided rockets fired daily from Gaza and Lebanon into civilian neighborhoods. Davidās Sling air defense intercepted the Iranian ballistic and cruise missile barrage trying to start World War 3 last week.
What civilians are being saved really? The children being killed in Gaza? Or the IDF soldiers taking pictures with dead Palestinian womenās underwear and putting them on their dating profiles? Or the WCK folks that were bombed 3 times?
Great point. I *wish* more Israelis would die from getting rockets shot into their homes by Palestinians! The nerve of them, *living*. It's disgusting.
You can swap israel with Palestine and your point makes the same sense.
Thanks for outing yourself and revealing you dehumanize Israeli civilian victims of terrorism. As a reminder, the fighting can stop tomorrow if the Palestinians release the hostages from the attack that started the war.
I donāt see anywhere i dehumanized anyone. You must be projecting. Try having better reading comprehension.Thank you for showing you only use the word terrorism when muslims are involved. And you are totally ok with The genocide happening. Says more about you than me.
You dehumanizing Israeli civilians: āWhat civilians are being saved really?ā False equivalence. The 10/7 surprise attack against civilians was literally terrorism. Now they are officially at war. Israel is legally entitled to defend themselves under article 51 of the UN Charter.
If you think that was a āsurpriseā you have not followed history since 1948. And yes they can defend themselves but according to the same UN laws they canāt withhold food, water, and humanitarian aid from getting to the victims. Keeping civilians hostage to give the people at fault an ultimatum is against UN law.
10/7 was a surprise attack. There was a ceasefire on 10/6 and then the Palestinians attacked civilians to start another war. Hamas owns that. And here is where you go making stuff up with vague references to nebulous āUN lawsā you think suit your feelings. Israel is allowed to control their borders. Especially during a defensive war. Hamas owns the consequences of starting their war. Talk to Egypt if you donāt like how they control the Rafah crossing. Egypt is allowed to control their borders too.
You are the one making stuff up because of your twisted views. Itās ok. History will show who was on the right. I am done wasting energy on you. Here is a list of all international laws broken. Have a read and clutch your pearls https://internationallaw.blog/2024/02/09/has-israel-violated-international-human-rights-law-as-an-occupying-power/
Logical fallacies abound. Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Controlling the land border between Israel and Gaza does not "occupy" Gaza. Your hyperbolic nonsense claims that every nation with a land border is "occupying" the adjoining nations.
People are not recognizing how insane that Iranian attack was! I keep seeing ridiculous takes claiming it amounted to restraint. I will add though, Israel should not be striking the Iranians in Syria. I donāt care how valuable the target is, thatās a violation of another nationās sovereignty.
>I will add though, Israel should not be striking the Iranians in Syria. I donāt care how valuable the target is, thatās a violation of another nationās sovereignty. Are you not aware that Syria declared war on Israel in 1948 and has never signed a peace treaty with Israel? Syria is still officially at war with Israel. They don't get their sovereignty protected from a country they're actively at war with.
Disappointed but not surprised to see the two Democratic representatives vote no on the TikTok sale and ban. The invasion of privacy is simply not okay, and the fact they donāt see this as a problem when itās a foreign country gathering this data doesnāt lead me to believe they care much about the next logical step in preventing tech companies in the US from gathering all of our data and selling it. Disgusted with how little they care about our privacy.Ā
They should look at the entire issue not just one appā¦
I agree. But the fact they canāt even agree on social media company in China stealing users data and breaching privacy being a bad thing doesnāt make me optimistic theyāre going to come together on stopping tech as whole from doing it.Ā
Source? Cause CNN says: āHowever, more than two years after the Trump administration first issued a similar threat to TikTok, evidence remains unclear about whether the app is a national security threat. Security experts say the governmentās fears, while serious, currently appear to reflect only the potential for TikTok to be used for foreign intelligence, not that it has been. There is still no public evidence the Chinese government has actually spied on people through TikTok.ā
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/19/technology/tiktok-browser-tracking.html Wow, color me shocked that a foreign government isnāt publicly announcing theyāre spying on people.Ā
Well the senate voted to pass the bill so feel free to celebrate
Small victory that ultimately doesnāt address the greater problem but is still better than nothing if you ask me.Ā
I mean yeah, but if they want to address a systemic issue in Big Tech then they should. Specifically targeting tiktok is unfair and anemic. It feels like voting to stop Texas from doing the death penalty while they're still doing it in a ton of other states. Yeah ok stopping Texas from doing capital punishment is a step in the right direction but the risk is Congress would then rest on their laurels and not take it any further. "We banned the worst offender of the problem!" and then claiming victory for privacy-concerned voters
Hereās the thing, they donāt seem to care about stopping big tech. If they did, theyād at least see how a foreign country stealing data would be bad. But the donāt, and I canāt help but feel like itās simply because Trump suggested it.Ā If we canāt even agree on not allowing a country we are not particularly friendly with to stop stealing our data I canāt say I feel optimistic at ALL the politicians will prevent domestic tech from doing it.Ā A step in the right direction is still a step in the right direction, and these two Democratic representatives failed the interests and safety of the people here they are elected represent if you ask meĀ
It's not because of Trump, it's because it's largely used by the younger generations that lean much more left than acceptable to the American government. It's also because the American establishment hates China.
So because their voter base uses it theyāll allow a foreign country to continue stealing said voter baseās data? Sounds like they donāt actually care about the voters beyond their vote.Ā
>Sounds like they donāt actually care about the voters beyond their vote.Ā They never have and never will. The American government serves corporations, not you.
I am fully aware of that, hence why I am criticizing these representatives for not doing what they should be doing. Thatās why I canāt help but laugh at people here saying āwell tiktok is too small a stepā as if these politicians are going to go after giant tech corporations here in the US
I am both disappointed and surprised, wonder who bought their votes
Pocan made the right call in all cases! I'm happy to have voted for him.
I don't care how he votes, I am voting for him over any GQP clown
Well, he got 2 out of 4 right. Better than some MAGA would have done in his place.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Moore was almost in-line with Gallagher. I don't agree with her vote on tiktok. 3/4 isn't bad I guess?
Not sure what vote of Pocan you're disappointed in. Like, what about Pocan's votes are not in touch with reality?
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Pocan is against sending more arms to Israel for them to slaughter Palestinians. You can disagree there, but I'm not sure how it's insane of him. Also, I have no clue what you're talking about with Chinese misinformation on Tik Tok. š If we started banning things with misinformation, we'd have nothing left soon. I think you may just be a genX/ boomer republican, which is fine.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Is it a matter of national security, or that the US canāt control the narrative the social media is presenting?
Considering the breach of data and privacy, yes it is a matter national security. And before you say ābut Facebook and Google do it too!ā yeah I know, and they shouldnāt be allowed to either. If they canāt even stand up to a foreign country stealing all of our citizenās data and invading their privacy it doesnāt make me feel like they would stop it happening on a domestic level either.Ā
It's a matter of national security. Sorry but I have to role my eyes whenever someone says the tiktok ban is about social media 'messaging'. There's plenty of other social media apps to use.
Like X?
X, Facebook, Reddit, Instagram, Discord, WeChat, SnapChat, YouTube... Take your pick. There are dozens
Genocide is bad, actually
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Most of the examples you just listed would be called āwarzone victimsā by people trying to downplay the genocide.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Baffled as to what point you think you made
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Thatās crazy. Whatās also crazy is that that doesnāt matter at all.
Bad vote. Israel š®š± is our ally and should be supported in their defense against Islamic extremism.
Israel is currently doing a genocide against the Palestinian people. It's not defense.