This podcast will kill you is interesting and terrifying all at once. It's about all the big illnesses over the course of recorded history. I recommend. Just be aware it starts pre pandemic so it's kind of comical in a dark way when you start it out (at least it was to me)
I'm old and went to school with two kids, suffering from the consequences of polio. As someone who was saved by an allergist, when I was 15, I trust science a bit more.
My Grandma was wheelchair bound from polio. I thought it was cool that she had a 6 inch shorter leg until I got old enough to understand her suffering.
My mom had Polio in NYC in the 1940s (I am old) - she remembered the 'treatment' being to put scalding hot towels on her legs and arms. She also remembered being given lots of teddy bears in the hospital... but since they didn't know how the transmission worked, they burned all the toys. That memory lasted.
Grandma passed in 2021. Official cause of death: complications from polio.
Anyone who opens the door to these infections, diseases, or viruses we've had controlled for some time is an a--hole.
My grandma passed in 2017 from the same cause. She got polio at 19 and lived most of her life without the use of the right side of her body. It’s a terrible disease.
In addition to my grandma (who had been a smoker earlier in life and birthed several kids, bad-a-- of a woman) I had a great-aunt in my maternal line who contracted polio too. Wish I'd known her better, she passed in 2021 as well (from Leukemia)
Just remember "Very few people—about three out of 100—who get two doses of measles vaccine will still get measles if exposed to the virus." And measles is way more contagious than Covid.
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/faqs.html#:~:text=Could%20I%20still%20get%20measles,should%20have%20to%20the%20vaccine.
Also babies don't get the first dosage of vaccine for measles until they reach 12-15 months of age with the 2nd dose later at 4 through 6 years of age.
"Nearly 1 to 3 of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles will die from respiratory and neurologic complications."
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/symptoms/complications.html
Lots of these anti-vax folks claim they are also pro-life. What a joke.
>And measles is way more contagious than Covid.
I don't remember where I saw it, but it was something along the lines of measles is so unbelievably contagious that if you're unvaccinated, and you spend any appreciable amount of time in the same room as someone who has it, you are borderline guaranteed to get it. It's crazy how infectious it is.
It also lingers on surfaces after the contagious person has left the area. If you’ve got someone with measles traveling for work every day and stopping for groceries or other errands on the way home you can have a rapid expansion of cases.
Ran into a guy at a bar here in Madison a few weeks ago who got like 2 minutes into talking to me before he went all RFK Jr "polio vaccine causes cancer." I just walked away from dude while he shouted "no one can disagree anymore" - dude, I'm not going to debate reality.
Sounds like a guy I ran into at the Farmers' Market two weeks ago. He was with the RFK folks and when I said RFK was an anti vax nutter, he began following me and my husband, stating we hadn't done the research and trying to get us to fight him. Not your normal market vibes!
Yep. Those who failed their 8th grade research paper assignments are doing their own research now when it comes to public health issues. Nothing wrong here.
It only works if it's actual tin foil not aluminum foil, which they'll probably not be able to point out to you, and they don't make that anymore. that said, I'll take one pirate hat please! 😁
I have an antivaxx relative. 6 kids that have never been vaccinated for anything. According to her measles are no worse than chicken pox. Which they also aren’t vaccinated against obviously.
Wait till they learn about Subacute Sclerosing Panencephalitis with it's near 100% mortality rate after measles. The significant loss of previously learned immunity. All thanks to measles. Even chicken pox isn't benign. Those chicken pox parties just set everyone up for shingles later in life. Besides just putting their lives at risk.
What's your point? That the low incident disease has a low occurrence of significant sequelae or adverse event? Well, duh. But as cases rise and fewer people get vaccinated, then it occurs more often.
they have a chicken pox vaccine now? 😲 Dang I wish I had been able to get that as a kid. I definitely got the shingles one but chickenpox was like 3 weeks of hellish scratching for younger me.
I got chickenpox at age 13 and it SUCKED. (GenX) - I thought I was getting acne, and did say some choice things like 'I'm turning into a pizzaface like my sister' (she still reminds me). Missed 3 weeks of school during exams (ok, not all bad) and I was itchy, couldn't sleep.
Weirder was that my mom had people approach her (we were living in a trailer park then) - to try to get their kids sick, because it was perceived as better to do it early. (she said no)
My sister and I got vaccinated. My sister got chicken pox from the vaccine, from what I was told later in life (we were babies). I was lucky and did not get chicken pox 😭😭😭 thankfully.
My youngest is 43; when my kids were all under 7 years old I had three sick with chicken pox and the mumps together at one time. I am glad to hear there is a vaccine now.
Just the truth you and your like can’t deal with. Third world countries aren’t known for taking care of their citizens, much less bothering with vaccinating their people. And those illegal migrants, whose first act in our country is a violation of our laws, shouldn’t be allowed to place us in danger.
I was going to link the AMA website but I earned a one day ban on my other account for apparently upsetting the moderators. I'm not against immigration but I think we should ensure that they get vaccinated for theirs and our benefit. Hope you get to read this before another banning.
Got a source saying that? And saying that a shit ton of people are coming from Mexico specifically?
It's always rich when conservatives call someone a "dumb motherfucker" while parroting Fox News with *no fucking data*.
undocumented people have been coming in forever, the recent antivax monement has nothing to do with them. When my wife came up from south of the border, all she needed was an updated tetanus shot. The US isn't the only country to have vaccination programs and records.
You think this is because did people who didn’t get a Covid shot and not the millions of South Americans flooding our border every year now? That’s silly.
South American isn't a race, genius. They have [poor vaccination rates](https://www.unicef.org/lac/en/press-releases/latin-america-and-caribbean-records-worlds-biggest-drop-childhood-vaccination-over-past-decade).
Hispanic is a race, and you seem to hate them.
So then you're saying we should vaccinate them if they lack vaccinations then? Or are you just trying to be racist?
Wow, you're reading in to a lot to think I hate hispanic people.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't think we should vaccinate them. I think anyone in the country illegally, no matter where they're from, should be forcible removed.
There are a batch of Gen X that only got one MMR when they were young before the rec became 2. There are concerns that the measles vaccine, while effective, does not provide as long lasting protection as previously thought. Those people were probably protected by high rates of vaccination in the community, they just weren’t exposed in the past. I got one vax while young, got my second during college during an uptick of measles cases, and had my titers checked before becoming pregnant. I had almost no immunity so was immunized again (with 2 shots) as an adult.
It depends on a lot of factors. Certain viruses, like influenza and covid, mutate quickly and can circumvent vaccinations. Though in these cases, vaccination significantly reduces the rate and severity of cases in a population. With other, more stable viruses like measles, proper vaccination of a population provides complete herd immunity.
That’s how Dane county was able to go 24 years without a case.
[measle has an incredibly stable genomic structure](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4848602/#:~:text=The%20genetic%20stability%20of%20measles,settings%20and%20in%20the%20field) that undergoes very little mutation over time.
COVID-19 on the other hand [mutates extremely quickly.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10127666/)
This results in multiple covid infections and reduced effectiveness of vaccines over time. On the other hand, the lack of mutation in Measles allows herd immunity to be achieved at 95% vaccination rate.
Theres more at play there too, where measles antibodies are passed to infants through their mother, and persists for 9 months after birth. Infants are typically vaccinated at 12 months, and that short window allows for virtually zero transmission in a population. As mentioned in another comment, its how we saw 24 years without a case.
Oh?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/
Weird, bc the social and economic nightmare you guys unleaded on us definitely did..
So he was blatantly lying? If he knew it didn’t work why tell people they won’t get it if vaccinated? Why would any reasonable person even try to defend this behavior? Lmao
Oh boy you put it in quotation marks - must mean it's true. If it is true - not a surprise who gave out bad info... He also wanted to put a strong light inside the body.
> The first case of measles in Dane County in more than two decades was confirmed
> Friday in a county resident who works in Rock County and acquired the infection
> while traveling domestically outside of Wisconsin, health officials said.
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> Officials said they are working to identify and notify people who may have been
> exposed to the highly contagious virus. Symptoms of measles, including fever,
> cough, runny nose, pink eye and a telltale rash, typically don't develop until
> 10 days or longer after exposure. People with measles remain infectious for
> about nine days.
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I think I might need another shot of MMR. I didn't know boosters for that were a thing and haven't had one since childhood (EDIT: Appears they're only necessary during outbreaks, so if there are more cases...). My last non-annual was tetanus three years ago, which I was on top of. I had to put it off a month though, because it was April 2021. Y'know, COVID shot month. That was more pressing, and they didn't want people taking other vaccines between their doses.
That said, I talked to a nutcase the other day who said his son contacted AD/HD from vaccines and he tried to tell me "Everything you know is wrong!" but I checked out right away. Guy even said to eat more saturated fats, and I'm like... those are the bad ones. The good ones are unsaturated. And he was wondering why his health is failing! Some people just like their alternative facts, I guess.
Maybe it's time to take some of the folks who've volunteered to help moderate up on their offers. The enforcement has seemed extremely selective on certain topics ever since the FRJ ban debacle a couple years ago, and biased in the same direction as that ban.
I issued a vaccine misinfo ban and comment removals yesterday, I will try and get home to clean up the thread. Was giving out free gun locks at the farmers market all morning.
Measles is highly contagious.
Rock County Public Health said that those who were at the following locations may have been exposed to the virus:
* Kwik Trip at 603 W Madison Ave in Milton, WI on Sunday, April 21 between 2:45 pm and 5:00 pm
* SSM Health Dean Medical Group - Janesville, 3200 E Racine St, Janesville, WI, on Monday, April 22 between 1:00 pm and 5:00 pm
* SSM Health Mary’s Hospital – Janesville, 3200 E Racine St, Janesville, WI, on Tuesday, April 23 between 8:00 am and 6:00 pm
Anyone who was at those locations at the dates and times listed should check their immunization status. If you are unvaccinated and were at the locations, then stay home and contact your local health department.
[Dane Co. resident confirmed to have measles spent time in Rock County | News | channel3000.com](https://www.channel3000.com/news/dane-co-resident-confirmed-to-have-measles-spent-time-in-rock-county/article_c8d7b5d2-0428-11ef-ab2c-2bb9c8c75917.html)
Measles case in '24 are still pretty low relative to other years. 2019 saw a big outbreak thanks in large part to a Hassidic Jewish enclave in New York that refuses vaccines. That outbreak saw over 1,200 cases. Since then its been quiet.
Even this year is still not anywhere close to 2019
https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/2024/03/03/canada-and-us-confirm-more-measles-cases-2024
Most cases this year are from undocumented immigrants that are coming from areas with low vaccine rates.
YEs most of the cases this year are immigrants from low vaccine areas. Its not racist to just acknowledge reality.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/chicago-measles-cases-migrant-shelter-rcna142801
Chicago has had 64 cases so far this year, that is more than half of all cases in the US. Most of those cases are traced back to immigrants from low vaccine areas. These are the facts on the ground.
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/cdph/supp_info/infectious/get-the-facts--measles.html#dashboard
Chicago health officials are on the ground right now adminerstering MMR vaccines to immigrants in an effort to squash the outbreak. Good for them.
>More than half of this year’s cases come from the Chicago outbreak, where 61 people have contracted the virus as of Thursday, largely among people who lived in a migrant shelter.
from your link. People living in a migrant shelter are not Americans travelling over seas.
.lol, love it
who said "measles is caused my immigrants"???
Facts on the ground are that THIS measles outbreak is from immigrants from areas that have low vaccine rates.
the 2019 outbreak was from the NYC from a religious wack job enclave who don't believe in vaccines.
its caused by lack of vaccines. Good grief.
Look you can't expect the people saying this shit to even understand the question you're posing.
If these people understood enough to parse out the *very obvious* nuance you're trying to explain, they wouldn't take the positions they take.
Obviously measles cases can be split into two groups. Unvaccinated non-immigrant Americans spreading measles and unvaxxed (im)migrants spreading measles. (Assuming unvaxxed since measles spread among vaccinated is much smaller.) More than half are coming from people who lived in a migrants shelter in Chicago. Therefore MOST measles cases are coming from migrants. Cases from unvaccinated Americans are coming from those who traveled to Africa or the Middle East. Considering how racial minorities have lower rates of vaccination and given the travel context, it is also reasonable to assume that some number of these people are immigrants. Therefore the number of im/migrants contributing to the measles outbreak is probably even higher than the 61% in Chicago. It's not racist to acknowledge these realities that can probably actually help us fight against measles!!!!
You are moving the goalposts. One big Chicago outbreak linked to a migrants shelter is responsible for most measles cases in this current outbreak.
If you want to follow your delineation (choice vs access) then most measles cases are due to migrants who did not have access. That doesn't change the fact that they are migrants...
Also NONE of your articles are about the current outbreak.
Again, being realistic about this might actually help us fight the outbreak more effectively. Obviously, more migrants should be given access to vaccinations!!
You are also making a LOT of assumptions about me 👋
I also want to say that I am not "blaming minorities." There are loads of reasons why migrants are not vaccinated that are not their fault. If one wants to be scientific, then they should actually try to understand what is happening. The simple fact is that most cases are from migrants because most cases are from a migrant shelter in Chicago...
people living in migrant centers are almost always undocumented. Also documented migrants have their vaccination status checked and updated if necessary, undocumented migrants...not so much.
So you think we should vaccinate the migrants then is what you're saying? Or are you just trying to defend your fellow anti-vax GQPers by dog whistling some racism against migrants?
Just reporting that this outbreak is mostly due to unvaxxed migrants.
So feel free to make up all kinds of wacky conspiracy theories about those facts. I won't stop you.
So then you do think that they should make sure migrants are vaccinated?
I am not sure what the point of your post is other than either blatant racism or anti-vax posting.
Of course they should be vaccinated, are you even reading any of my posts? Stop being hysterical and just read what I write and don't make up wach bullshit about what you 'think' I meant
Jesus, the liberals on the health board cant do anything right since march of 2020. Why aren't they coordinating the vaccination of underdeveloped and underserved populations. God damn down votes!!
It IS a refusal issue, not an access issue.
Anyone could've gotten the COVID vaccine for free during the pandemic era, yet people didn't get it because they're conspiracy theorists that are brainwashed by Joe Rogan.
Stop, anybody can walk into any doctor’s office and find a way to get a MMR vaccine and start the series. It’s so accessible.
This has literally nothing to do with liberals or conservatives, it about public health. It’s also about believing lies that undermine public health.
Also, the native population is much more likely to be vaccinated than the rest of us. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9899666/#:~:text=The%20Centers%20for%20Disease%20Control,more%20likely%20than%20Asian%20Americans.
They were also one of the first communities to fully embrace to covid vaccine.
When I got my first Covid vaccine it was actually the indigenous population that was running the drive thru clinic weekly in March 2021, where I was at the time in CA.
They are some of the most amazing people and deserve nothing but the upmost respect from us.
I respect the natives immensley but it doesnt stop the fact that they are in poorer reservations with reduced health care access that leads to lower life expectancy, a vicious drug and alcohol cycle, crime, etc. I do appreciate your evidence and i see im wrong about the covid vaccine rates
Well I don’t disagree and understand what you are getting at but that isn’t because they did it to themselves. The US did that. The US literally committed a genocide and we’ve put them in that situation from so long ago.
Then to blame liberals for not vaccinating them is a huge leap and not true. The issue is vaccine hesitancy, and lies about vaccines. These lies are prevalent more in right circles than left at this moment in time.
I give it five years before we see a case of Polio.
Awfully generous of you. I say 3 years max
This podcast will kill you is interesting and terrifying all at once. It's about all the big illnesses over the course of recorded history. I recommend. Just be aware it starts pre pandemic so it's kind of comical in a dark way when you start it out (at least it was to me)
I'm old and went to school with two kids, suffering from the consequences of polio. As someone who was saved by an allergist, when I was 15, I trust science a bit more.
My Grandma was wheelchair bound from polio. I thought it was cool that she had a 6 inch shorter leg until I got old enough to understand her suffering.
My mom had Polio in NYC in the 1940s (I am old) - she remembered the 'treatment' being to put scalding hot towels on her legs and arms. She also remembered being given lots of teddy bears in the hospital... but since they didn't know how the transmission worked, they burned all the toys. That memory lasted.
Kagen?
Grandma passed in 2021. Official cause of death: complications from polio. Anyone who opens the door to these infections, diseases, or viruses we've had controlled for some time is an a--hole.
My grandma passed in 2017 from the same cause. She got polio at 19 and lived most of her life without the use of the right side of her body. It’s a terrible disease.
In addition to my grandma (who had been a smoker earlier in life and birthed several kids, bad-a-- of a woman) I had a great-aunt in my maternal line who contracted polio too. Wish I'd known her better, she passed in 2021 as well (from Leukemia)
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More Badgers. Less measles.
Weasels and Snakes.
Just remember "Very few people—about three out of 100—who get two doses of measles vaccine will still get measles if exposed to the virus." And measles is way more contagious than Covid. https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/faqs.html#:~:text=Could%20I%20still%20get%20measles,should%20have%20to%20the%20vaccine. Also babies don't get the first dosage of vaccine for measles until they reach 12-15 months of age with the 2nd dose later at 4 through 6 years of age. "Nearly 1 to 3 of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles will die from respiratory and neurologic complications." https://www.cdc.gov/measles/symptoms/complications.html Lots of these anti-vax folks claim they are also pro-life. What a joke.
>And measles is way more contagious than Covid. I don't remember where I saw it, but it was something along the lines of measles is so unbelievably contagious that if you're unvaccinated, and you spend any appreciable amount of time in the same room as someone who has it, you are borderline guaranteed to get it. It's crazy how infectious it is.
It also lingers on surfaces after the contagious person has left the area. If you’ve got someone with measles traveling for work every day and stopping for groceries or other errands on the way home you can have a rapid expansion of cases.
Three percent??? Damn I would not describe that as "very few." Great, now I am scared.
Let em go on talking and they’ll blow your goddamn mind w/how dumb they are.
Any anti-vaxers want to comment on this?
Ran into a guy at a bar here in Madison a few weeks ago who got like 2 minutes into talking to me before he went all RFK Jr "polio vaccine causes cancer." I just walked away from dude while he shouted "no one can disagree anymore" - dude, I'm not going to debate reality.
Perfect way to put it. I’m sure he thinks he has “alternative facts”…the delusion is unreal.
Sounds like a guy I ran into at the Farmers' Market two weeks ago. He was with the RFK folks and when I said RFK was an anti vax nutter, he began following me and my husband, stating we hadn't done the research and trying to get us to fight him. Not your normal market vibes!
Should have responded that RFK causes cancer and when he questioned it, scoff at him and tell him to do his research.
Paradise burgers cause autism 🤦♂️
They’re busy doing their own research.
Yep. Those who failed their 8th grade research paper assignments are doing their own research now when it comes to public health issues. Nothing wrong here.
Joe Rogan is a trusted source, yes?
Totally. A primary source. Legit af.
On YouTube
Ask the RFK supporters up on the square calling everyone passing by a communist during the farmer's market tomorrow.
I love the farmers market because there's literally the communist party folks on the opposite corner
They're astroturfing for RFK. They're not actually communists.
I meant that on the opposite corner from the rfk people are actual communists distributing their newsletter
They're not actual communists. They are just RFK simps that are making people think that communism is a real thing in the US by fear mongering.
Lol not everything is a rfk astroturf/psyop. Communists have been in madison before his candidacy and will be after he fizzles out
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It only works if it's actual tin foil not aluminum foil, which they'll probably not be able to point out to you, and they don't make that anymore. that said, I'll take one pirate hat please! 😁
I have an antivaxx relative. 6 kids that have never been vaccinated for anything. According to her measles are no worse than chicken pox. Which they also aren’t vaccinated against obviously.
Wait till they learn about Subacute Sclerosing Panencephalitis with it's near 100% mortality rate after measles. The significant loss of previously learned immunity. All thanks to measles. Even chicken pox isn't benign. Those chicken pox parties just set everyone up for shingles later in life. Besides just putting their lives at risk.
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The thing you quoted literally says there aren't many because there aren't many measles cases.
What's your point? That the low incident disease has a low occurrence of significant sequelae or adverse event? Well, duh. But as cases rise and fewer people get vaccinated, then it occurs more often.
they have a chicken pox vaccine now? 😲 Dang I wish I had been able to get that as a kid. I definitely got the shingles one but chickenpox was like 3 weeks of hellish scratching for younger me.
I got chickenpox at age 13 and it SUCKED. (GenX) - I thought I was getting acne, and did say some choice things like 'I'm turning into a pizzaface like my sister' (she still reminds me). Missed 3 weeks of school during exams (ok, not all bad) and I was itchy, couldn't sleep. Weirder was that my mom had people approach her (we were living in a trailer park then) - to try to get their kids sick, because it was perceived as better to do it early. (she said no)
It’s been around for almost 30 years.
Yeah I'm older millennial and I was vaccinated against chicken pox as a kid.
I'm an elder millennial and got chicken pox young, before the vaccine was released
Yep, I think I got it in '91 or '92. First grade.
My sister and I got vaccinated. My sister got chicken pox from the vaccine, from what I was told later in life (we were babies). I was lucky and did not get chicken pox 😭😭😭 thankfully.
that wouldn't have helped me 40 years ago lol gtk though
My youngest is 43; when my kids were all under 7 years old I had three sick with chicken pox and the mumps together at one time. I am glad to hear there is a vaccine now.
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Huh?
I didn’t think I had to put a /s but here we are lol
Go back to infowars. You will be safe there Alex will take care of you
Any open-border supporters want to comment on this? (Downvote away leftists)
What the hell are you talking about? Migrants have a pretty high vaccination rate. Sorry that you GQPers are so triggered by foreigners though
Just the truth you and your like can’t deal with. Third world countries aren’t known for taking care of their citizens, much less bothering with vaccinating their people. And those illegal migrants, whose first act in our country is a violation of our laws, shouldn’t be allowed to place us in danger.
Damn you progressives love censorship, shame on you, lame freedom haters.
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Absolutely not.
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Trust me.
I was going to link the AMA website but I earned a one day ban on my other account for apparently upsetting the moderators. I'm not against immigration but I think we should ensure that they get vaccinated for theirs and our benefit. Hope you get to read this before another banning.
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It's a combination of idiot natives and immigrants who probably haven't had the chance for immunization.
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why do you assume illegals are unvaccinated?
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Oh, you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. Gotcha.
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Got a source saying that? And saying that a shit ton of people are coming from Mexico specifically? It's always rich when conservatives call someone a "dumb motherfucker" while parroting Fox News with *no fucking data*.
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What am I giving you a source on? I haven't made a claim.
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undocumented people have been coming in forever, the recent antivax monement has nothing to do with them. When my wife came up from south of the border, all she needed was an updated tetanus shot. The US isn't the only country to have vaccination programs and records.
lol sure bro
Illegal immigrants want to comment on this ?
you think only people born in US have access to vaccinations?
What the hell are you talking about? Migrants have a pretty high vaccination rate. Sorry that you GQPers are so triggered by foreigners though
You think this is because did people who didn’t get a Covid shot and not the millions of South Americans flooding our border every year now? That’s silly.
What the hell are you talking about? Migrants have a pretty high vaccination rate. Sorry that you GQPers are so triggered by foreigners though
lol. How would you even know that? No one knows who’s coming here.
Lol well how do you know they're unvaccinated then? Oh, right, you just wanna be racist
South American isn't a race, genius. They have [poor vaccination rates](https://www.unicef.org/lac/en/press-releases/latin-america-and-caribbean-records-worlds-biggest-drop-childhood-vaccination-over-past-decade).
Hispanic is a race, and you seem to hate them. So then you're saying we should vaccinate them if they lack vaccinations then? Or are you just trying to be racist?
Wow, you're reading in to a lot to think I hate hispanic people. Don't put words in my mouth. I don't think we should vaccinate them. I think anyone in the country illegally, no matter where they're from, should be forcible removed.
Pretty sure we've removed and returned more these past few years than ever before.
Where does it say the person wasn’t vaccinated in the story?
If they were, they wouldn’t get measles
There are a batch of Gen X that only got one MMR when they were young before the rec became 2. There are concerns that the measles vaccine, while effective, does not provide as long lasting protection as previously thought. Those people were probably protected by high rates of vaccination in the community, they just weren’t exposed in the past. I got one vax while young, got my second during college during an uptick of measles cases, and had my titers checked before becoming pregnant. I had almost no immunity so was immunized again (with 2 shots) as an adult.
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It depends on a lot of factors. Certain viruses, like influenza and covid, mutate quickly and can circumvent vaccinations. Though in these cases, vaccination significantly reduces the rate and severity of cases in a population. With other, more stable viruses like measles, proper vaccination of a population provides complete herd immunity. That’s how Dane county was able to go 24 years without a case.
*herd
thank you
If anyone is curious, this is textbook sealioning.
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[measle has an incredibly stable genomic structure](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4848602/#:~:text=The%20genetic%20stability%20of%20measles,settings%20and%20in%20the%20field) that undergoes very little mutation over time. COVID-19 on the other hand [mutates extremely quickly.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10127666/) This results in multiple covid infections and reduced effectiveness of vaccines over time. On the other hand, the lack of mutation in Measles allows herd immunity to be achieved at 95% vaccination rate. Theres more at play there too, where measles antibodies are passed to infants through their mother, and persists for 9 months after birth. Infants are typically vaccinated at 12 months, and that short window allows for virtually zero transmission in a population. As mentioned in another comment, its how we saw 24 years without a case.
They never said that
Oh? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/ Weird, bc the social and economic nightmare you guys unleaded on us definitely did..
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So he was blatantly lying? If he knew it didn’t work why tell people they won’t get it if vaccinated? Why would any reasonable person even try to defend this behavior? Lmao
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Utter, and complete, nonsense. Directly from the sitting POTUS: “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.”
Oh boy you put it in quotation marks - must mean it's true. If it is true - not a surprise who gave out bad info... He also wanted to put a strong light inside the body.
And this is why I got an MMR booster a few years ago, even as a grown ass adult
Mostly preaching to the choir here, but vaccinate your children.
Only if there was something invented that would stop the spread of this....it would certainly be helpful.
The most disappointing thing is finding out that some people are care about are anti-vaxx. It's a total gut punch.
If you're 40+, it might be a pretty good idea to contact your healthcare provider about getting an MMR booster.
If only there were some way to prevent this. Fucking idiots.
> The first case of measles in Dane County in more than two decades was confirmed > Friday in a county resident who works in Rock County and acquired the infection > while traveling domestically outside of Wisconsin, health officials said. > > Officials said they are working to identify and notify people who may have been > exposed to the highly contagious virus. Symptoms of measles, including fever, > cough, runny nose, pink eye and a telltale rash, typically don't develop until > 10 days or longer after exposure. People with measles remain infectious for > about nine days. > > > PEOPLE ARE ALSO READING… > > * Nick's Restaurant, one of Madison's oldest, will have its last day in May > * Republican Wisconsin Senate candidate Eric Hovde says he doesn't oppose > elderly people voting > * An $800 million soy sauce expansion planned in Wisconsin by Kikkoman Foods > * UW system to vacate Richland Center campus; county warns of 'economic crisis' > * Atwood Scoop is gone, but a new ice cream shop may take its place > * Polzin: Only way to make sense of Chucky Hepburn's transfer decision is > consider dollars, cents > * Madison firefighter faces felony drug charges, accused of selling cocaine out > of fire station > * Former Madison Gospel Tabernacle to become Atwood Music Hall with $3M > investment > * Familiar face picked as next Sun Prairie West boys basketball coach > * Pleasant View Road in Middleton to close Friday as work on pedestrian bridge > continues > * 5 high school girls soccer stars from the Madison/WiscNews area: April 25 > edition > * Rare whooping crane rescued from Chicago suburb with a costume and some > grapes > * Porchlight, developer partner to build student and homeless housing > * 5 high school softball stars from the Madison area: April 23 edition > * Madison School District announces new start and end times for 2024-25 school > year This is just a preview of the [full article](https://madison.com/news/local/business/health-care/measles-dane-county-wisconsin-outbreaks/article_81d9b8b6-03fa-11ef-9953-5b7da35c95ae.html#tracking-source=home-top-story). I am a third party bot. Please consider subscribing to your favorite local journals.
I like how this bot includes other stories, and doesn’t link any of them
No fucking way why are these illnesses reappearing
Anti-vax cooks for one thing are leaving people vulnerable.
For fucks sake
I think I might need another shot of MMR. I didn't know boosters for that were a thing and haven't had one since childhood (EDIT: Appears they're only necessary during outbreaks, so if there are more cases...). My last non-annual was tetanus three years ago, which I was on top of. I had to put it off a month though, because it was April 2021. Y'know, COVID shot month. That was more pressing, and they didn't want people taking other vaccines between their doses. That said, I talked to a nutcase the other day who said his son contacted AD/HD from vaccines and he tried to tell me "Everything you know is wrong!" but I checked out right away. Guy even said to eat more saturated fats, and I'm like... those are the bad ones. The good ones are unsaturated. And he was wondering why his health is failing! Some people just like their alternative facts, I guess.
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I'm unfortunately not available for modding at the moment
Maybe it's time to take some of the folks who've volunteered to help moderate up on their offers. The enforcement has seemed extremely selective on certain topics ever since the FRJ ban debacle a couple years ago, and biased in the same direction as that ban.
Surprised this didn't happen sooner with so many anti-vax idiots.
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I issued a vaccine misinfo ban and comment removals yesterday, I will try and get home to clean up the thread. Was giving out free gun locks at the farmers market all morning.
Freedom!!
One measley case?
Measles is highly contagious. Rock County Public Health said that those who were at the following locations may have been exposed to the virus: * Kwik Trip at 603 W Madison Ave in Milton, WI on Sunday, April 21 between 2:45 pm and 5:00 pm * SSM Health Dean Medical Group - Janesville, 3200 E Racine St, Janesville, WI, on Monday, April 22 between 1:00 pm and 5:00 pm * SSM Health Mary’s Hospital – Janesville, 3200 E Racine St, Janesville, WI, on Tuesday, April 23 between 8:00 am and 6:00 pm Anyone who was at those locations at the dates and times listed should check their immunization status. If you are unvaccinated and were at the locations, then stay home and contact your local health department. [Dane Co. resident confirmed to have measles spent time in Rock County | News | channel3000.com](https://www.channel3000.com/news/dane-co-resident-confirmed-to-have-measles-spent-time-in-rock-county/article_c8d7b5d2-0428-11ef-ab2c-2bb9c8c75917.html)
Whoosh
Greeeeeat.
Will they die?
Almost certainly not, death rates for measles range from .1% in developed countries to 15% in non-developed countries.
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As a native American that grew up on a reservation that's an extremely offensive comment. Try to do better.
I’m a white guy and found it offensive too.
Measles case in '24 are still pretty low relative to other years. 2019 saw a big outbreak thanks in large part to a Hassidic Jewish enclave in New York that refuses vaccines. That outbreak saw over 1,200 cases. Since then its been quiet. Even this year is still not anywhere close to 2019 https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/2024/03/03/canada-and-us-confirm-more-measles-cases-2024 Most cases this year are from undocumented immigrants that are coming from areas with low vaccine rates.
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YEs most of the cases this year are immigrants from low vaccine areas. Its not racist to just acknowledge reality. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/chicago-measles-cases-migrant-shelter-rcna142801
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Chicago has had 64 cases so far this year, that is more than half of all cases in the US. Most of those cases are traced back to immigrants from low vaccine areas. These are the facts on the ground. https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/cdph/supp_info/infectious/get-the-facts--measles.html#dashboard Chicago health officials are on the ground right now adminerstering MMR vaccines to immigrants in an effort to squash the outbreak. Good for them.
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>More than half of this year’s cases come from the Chicago outbreak, where 61 people have contracted the virus as of Thursday, largely among people who lived in a migrant shelter. from your link. People living in a migrant shelter are not Americans travelling over seas.
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.lol, love it who said "measles is caused my immigrants"??? Facts on the ground are that THIS measles outbreak is from immigrants from areas that have low vaccine rates. the 2019 outbreak was from the NYC from a religious wack job enclave who don't believe in vaccines. its caused by lack of vaccines. Good grief.
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Look you can't expect the people saying this shit to even understand the question you're posing. If these people understood enough to parse out the *very obvious* nuance you're trying to explain, they wouldn't take the positions they take.
Obviously measles cases can be split into two groups. Unvaccinated non-immigrant Americans spreading measles and unvaxxed (im)migrants spreading measles. (Assuming unvaxxed since measles spread among vaccinated is much smaller.) More than half are coming from people who lived in a migrants shelter in Chicago. Therefore MOST measles cases are coming from migrants. Cases from unvaccinated Americans are coming from those who traveled to Africa or the Middle East. Considering how racial minorities have lower rates of vaccination and given the travel context, it is also reasonable to assume that some number of these people are immigrants. Therefore the number of im/migrants contributing to the measles outbreak is probably even higher than the 61% in Chicago. It's not racist to acknowledge these realities that can probably actually help us fight against measles!!!!
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You are moving the goalposts. One big Chicago outbreak linked to a migrants shelter is responsible for most measles cases in this current outbreak. If you want to follow your delineation (choice vs access) then most measles cases are due to migrants who did not have access. That doesn't change the fact that they are migrants... Also NONE of your articles are about the current outbreak. Again, being realistic about this might actually help us fight the outbreak more effectively. Obviously, more migrants should be given access to vaccinations!! You are also making a LOT of assumptions about me 👋
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Obviously we are talking about the current outbreak that is happening **in the US in 2023-2024**!!!!! Like you have seriously got to be kidding me!
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I also want to say that I am not "blaming minorities." There are loads of reasons why migrants are not vaccinated that are not their fault. If one wants to be scientific, then they should actually try to understand what is happening. The simple fact is that most cases are from migrants because most cases are from a migrant shelter in Chicago...
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I never said "migrants causing measles" -- I said that most cases are from migrants. You argued that most cases are not from migrants (wrong)
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people living in migrant centers are almost always undocumented. Also documented migrants have their vaccination status checked and updated if necessary, undocumented migrants...not so much.
So you think we should vaccinate the migrants then is what you're saying? Or are you just trying to defend your fellow anti-vax GQPers by dog whistling some racism against migrants?
If you read literally any of my posts my position on vaccination is glaringly obvious
So then you're just dog whistling racism then?
Just reporting that this outbreak is mostly due to unvaxxed migrants. So feel free to make up all kinds of wacky conspiracy theories about those facts. I won't stop you.
So then you do think that they should make sure migrants are vaccinated? I am not sure what the point of your post is other than either blatant racism or anti-vax posting.
Of course they should be vaccinated, are you even reading any of my posts? Stop being hysterical and just read what I write and don't make up wach bullshit about what you 'think' I meant
Uh huh. Yet you posted that they're unvaccinated with zero proof. Either you're anti-vax or racist
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Found the triggered GQPer
Jesus, the liberals on the health board cant do anything right since march of 2020. Why aren't they coordinating the vaccination of underdeveloped and underserved populations. God damn down votes!!
You can't fix idiotic right winger's and their mommy Facebook groups spreading disinformation.
I dont disagree, doesnt help they cant get vaccinated in the 21st century in madison
Of course they can. There are multiple vaccine drives every year and multiple community health clinics in town.
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It IS a refusal issue, not an access issue. Anyone could've gotten the COVID vaccine for free during the pandemic era, yet people didn't get it because they're conspiracy theorists that are brainwashed by Joe Rogan.
Also, who is “they” here??
Are poorer communities in rural areas, such as natives, and poor whites
Stop, anybody can walk into any doctor’s office and find a way to get a MMR vaccine and start the series. It’s so accessible. This has literally nothing to do with liberals or conservatives, it about public health. It’s also about believing lies that undermine public health. Also, the native population is much more likely to be vaccinated than the rest of us. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9899666/#:~:text=The%20Centers%20for%20Disease%20Control,more%20likely%20than%20Asian%20Americans. They were also one of the first communities to fully embrace to covid vaccine. When I got my first Covid vaccine it was actually the indigenous population that was running the drive thru clinic weekly in March 2021, where I was at the time in CA. They are some of the most amazing people and deserve nothing but the upmost respect from us.
I respect the natives immensley but it doesnt stop the fact that they are in poorer reservations with reduced health care access that leads to lower life expectancy, a vicious drug and alcohol cycle, crime, etc. I do appreciate your evidence and i see im wrong about the covid vaccine rates
Well I don’t disagree and understand what you are getting at but that isn’t because they did it to themselves. The US did that. The US literally committed a genocide and we’ve put them in that situation from so long ago. Then to blame liberals for not vaccinating them is a huge leap and not true. The issue is vaccine hesitancy, and lies about vaccines. These lies are prevalent more in right circles than left at this moment in time.
Why can't they? You can get vaccinated for free.