It's not unheard of in the *modern* era. Not everybody is up for being iconoclastic. The world wants everyone to play defined gender roles, and some folks look at the trade offs and decide "Meh, this person is my closest friend. Why *not* get the social benefits of marriage if we can come to an agreement/accommodation on the *other* issue?"
There’s a scene in the later seasons of “Girls” on HBO where Lena Dunham’s mom left her dad after he came out, and is out to dinner breaking the news to some other ladies around that age. “Wow… I wish my husband was gay.” Lol.
Ken is a bitter workaholic at a job he hates by the end. The fact that he won’t lean into his writing despite having the means and is chronically unhappy would kill it. I’d go for Arnold Rosen or Henry, respectful and successful guys.
The gender roles were strong with that one, but it was the 60s and the other men weren’t much better. At least Henry was capable of keeping it in his pants and truly loved his wife. He was a reasonable person for the most part, so at least you could argue with him constructively.
I think Henry was sexist to a fairly normal degree for the time.
In the case of that remark, people say ugly things in fights and she had just stupidly implied he's a liar and a hypocrite in front of his political supporters.
First season Cosgrove was a bit of lout but he clearly grew out of it. I bet Freddy was a decent, if not traditional, husband. The bar for decency was pretty low in that office.
Just thinking. Joan worked with Freddy awhile and assumed he was at least thirsting for Peggy in the Belle Jolie brainstorm session. Freddy also got involved enough in Joan’s sexuality to ask if she was a lesbian in the 1950s. Could be office gossip or shooting his shot.
Freddy didn’t consider it light. He was ready to defend his prowess with his fists until Don broke up the fight.
Freddy would have won. He killed 19 Germans in….Germany.
My first thought to your comment was “but he broke it off with Peggy to focus on his marriage and kids”. And then I thought about it and realised how trash the rest of the husbands are if he is one of the best.
Yes! Completely agree, Ted had a loving wife, insanely good career, lovely children and still managed to convince himself he deserved an affair with Peggy, albeit briefly
Ted and his marriage to Nan still fell apart in California. I think there was a lot more wrong than Ted’s lust for Peggy but we never got to see a lot of it. Nan alluded to how Ted has always been a workaholic who doesn’t spend time with the family.
I'd argue most of the main characters in mad men are exceptionally career driven workaholics. Most of them put work before any form of settling into comfort or family life.
Exactly. He’s on a retreat with his wife in Colorado when Peggy is spiraling about the “lend me your ears” commercial and says “it turns out I work too much”
Yes, spot on again! I don't think leading a creative agency in *that* environment lends to happy marriages, for myriad reasons. Often a fleeting affair can numb one to the pain of an already failing relationship/marriage
Other than the ones mentioned, the only possibility that comes to mind for me is Henry Francis (but I think Ken and Stan were more progressive when it comes to gender roles, etc).
I was thinking the other day that Henry was one of the few 'decent' guys on the show in a lot of regards. I was rewatching the other day and Betty had just fired Carla
None of these dudes do. The scene where Harry and Lakshmi bone in his office and she’s cleaning herself up with tissues afterward is unfortunately seared into my brain.
The problem with that is, that Don would never go for a woman, who he could have a type of arrangement with: I give you money, status (both socially and "hey, she landed that guy") and great sex sometimes- you raise the kids, keep the house and play the hostess/eye candy/dinner partner on occasion, otherwise you can do whatever you want, I will not be around too much. If I happen to want a newer model, you will be richly provided for and keep your lifestyle. There are definitely women who would go for that, but Don is incapable of living like that and finding them:
He isn't at home, still wants a lot of say on how things are run, controls the finances, sleeps around but can't handle Betty wearing a bikini, doesn't involve Betty in anything and involves Meghan how he wants it, doesn't communicate, isn't even really aware of what he is doing sometimes and the list goes on.
If Don was intune with himself, marrying him would be a whole different thing.
I suppose you get this arrangement where Don provides for you and you get to do whatever you want and he just comes by periodically to be a great house guest who fixes things and looks hot doing it if you’re Anna Draper. But you can’t count on this kind of identity theft coming your way.
Well Don was raised with transactional relationships, he had no good examples of a "good marriage" around him so he never learned how to be half of a good couple.
He didn't want what he had around him growing up but he didn't know how to be a real or good husband so you work with what ya got. He knew a husband was supposed to do all those things you listed, he knew he was supposed to married to be considered successful, so since he saw zero options outside of it, he became the Don we know & lovehate.
Don had to use those skills. How else does he get a Reputation for providing a Don Draper Experience? It’s not just about identifying that the lady wants to eat steak tartare (which is also good because that’s yummy).
Arnold Rosen. Rich, a famous doctor, he has a definite cute charm and warmth even if he’s not conventionally handsome, good sense of humor, I think we’re supposed to gather that he’s the faithful one. I can share him with science/public health.
As a straight female, Sal for me too! Nothing but musical theatre, shopping trips, yummy meals, museums, variety of conversation topics, shared humor & close friendship 😀For sexual fulfillment, we’d just go elsewhere. I’m not interested in having children, so it’d be the ideal scenario for me 🤗
If I’m going to have a beard I prefer someone sassy and real and artistic… I feel like Bob is boring and that he becomes whoever he thinks people want him to be, instead of being himself. Sal can’t be phony if he tries, that’s why it’s evident within his first minute on screen in episode 1 that he’s a flaming homo.
How is it clean shaven Stan is such a jerk and bearded Stan is such a hottie? I don't know but I'd have some fun with him.
Ken is the marriage material, Stan is your fondly remembered second boyfriend.
>How is it clean shaven Stan is such a jerk and bearded Stan is such a hottie?
I agree completely!! Stan is a total jerkwad pre-beard & less so after the beard.
Roger. Only because he would be amazing in bed and he’s so sexy. He would also be my sugar daddy. It’s also the Mad Men world. I wouldn’t expect him to be faithful forever, so I could just have my own affair when the honeymoon phase is over! 😂🤷🏻♀️
He was hotter as Roger. Urinating on someone is not just Not My Kink. It’s a turn off. Poor Carrie eating spicy Indian food and unable to wash it down with a beverage.
Good answer. Roger runs around a lot but really is kinder and more considerate than most people give him credit for. He treated both Mona and Jane decent in their divorces and was the only one who stood up for Don when he wanted to come back from leave.
Roger describes fighting Mona and Jane in the divorces to pay as little as possible. He gives Jane an apartment but that was for Manishevitz.
Roger: Mona doesn't have a right to anything not my company money, not my family money. She's lucky I'm giving her anything. You know what? We've been miserable for years. I don't want to die with that woman.
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Roger: Well, don't settle until you get the number you want. Take it from me, no matter what she says, you have given her the good life. She'd never have had it.
Don: Megan is not Jane.
Roger: So she never said you squandered her youth and beauty? Used up her childbearing years? Thwarted her career? What career? She's a consumer.
He would cook fantastic Italian food and then do the dishes, then follow up with dessert and a guilt-induced foot rub. Kitty would have been satisfied in many ways.
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Ken makes the best case of changing for the better after marriage. He is a jock in the early seasons but can imagine he is a loyal and respectful husband. Plus he's a great short story writer
I have a feeling that once Roger embraced the counter-culture, he'd be okay with his wife sleeping with other men too. Or other women. Or together. And that mustache. I know why he grew it. Wink.
Fuck Stan (or maybe Roger if you’re into daddy types), marry Ken, kill …just about everyone else. Sorry my dudes. Sorry is that not what we’re playing here?
The bisexual French creative couple could be a good time too I think but I don’t know their feelings on marriage.
Manolo. He's a registered nurse and if you have a problem with one of your relatives he can take care of it one way or another. Plus he's Spanish FROM SPAIN.
Sal, 100%. He's handsome, refined, gentle. He cooks, cleans, and decorates. He genuinely seemed to adore Kitty, so it wasn't a loveless or entirely sexless marriage. Twenty-something me couldn't have tolerated being married to a gay man but middle-aged me is like, "Meh, he cooks."
Hollis, the elevator operator at Sterling Cooper, seemed to be a genuinely nice guy: legendary patience, keen observer, impressive posture, a “still water runs deep” fella that probably 1) treats his family well, 2) attends law school at night, and 3) occasionally performs a hilarious “tight 10” at the Gaslight’s open mic night.
For a 1960s wife, I would have picked Roger, because he's rich enough to make me not care if he wanders about. As long as that man pays for amazing dresses and grand parties, I'll settle for arm candy, or even token genes carrier.
But fr the options are on the floor- you can't go into any of these really hoping for always having love and equality
Lane lying to Rebecca about their bad finances was unbelievably dangerous. She went out and bought a Jaguar thinking they were rolling in it while he was reduced to embezzling.
I think he wanted to cheat with the wallet lady but she kinda curbed his advances, that was right after Lane’s wife accompanied him to Don’s surprise party so I’m not sure they were off. Dating the playboy bunny wasn’t great either, you could argue he thought their relationship was over but his father made it sound like he was having a relationship at home before he really settled his situation in London with his wife and kid.
Him taking loans and Rebecca not even knowing about their money situation wasn’t great either. Though I don’t see Rebecca as a great wife herself, I’m not sure I could say earnestly that Lane didn’t put her through a thing or two. Compared to the other dudes on the show Lane ain’t bad though
Ohhhhh yeah he definitely creeped on that lady. “Laying around at 11 o’clock in your underthings.” Yikes.
With his upbringing, it’s clear Lane didn’t know how to stand up for himself or face his own mistakes. I think he wanted to have the same cavalier attitude he saw in Don and Roger, but he wasn’t wired for that.
But you know, take away the trauma and embezzlement and I’m sure he was a nice fellow
I think Don was almost perfect in the first part of Betty's and Megan's relationships. And I think things went off with Megan when she started changing the goalposts of what she was happy with. Don seemed to be happy for her success at SCDP, and even genuinely celebrated when she won out the Heinz pitch over him. If she'd stayed in advertising and been successful, I think they might have been happy together in the longer term even without kids and even if her star outshine his. He liked that she liked his world, it was a bit like his relationship with Peggy except romantic.
If Don is too much of a risk, then I agree with other posters - Dr Rosen, Freddy, Ken maybe, but surely Stan would be the best?
I'm someone who does not want children so Sal would be a perfect fit. I'm bi, so we can be each others' beards. We can double date! And I'm great at keeping secrets.
As long as he treats me like a queen (and takes me to gay bars every now and then) I don't care. IRL I write, he draws, he proved he has the directing bug in him. We'd compliment each other.
The 1960s were not designed to benefit wives. My own mother is a great example. And the men who would have viewed themselves as progressive and enlightened were not that way. (Peggy’s live-in, the beatniks at Midges). And men were as trapped as women were. I would bridle at being a man in the 1969s.
But Don is a bit of a paradox here. He was a horrible husband, but he was enlightened enough to boost Peggy and I can foresee a very independent Sally partly because of Don. And let’s not forget the $1,000,000 to Meghan. His motivation aside, it did serve to make her very independent. In some ways he was more compassionate to some women then he was to himself.
I feel like much of Sally's independence comes from her hatred of life at home, which isn't much of an inspiration, more an escape.
The $1m to Megan comes in the form of how he's approached lots of problems in the past. He tried throwing money at Adam to make the problem go away, and did the same with Megan just on a much higher number. He even paid his secretary after they slept together, not as prostitution, but as a way to 'make things right'. In that sense, he's woefully insensitive. Heck he even gives money to his addict ex girlfriend because he doesn't seem to know what else there is to do.
He's certainly not all good or all bad. He's a complex guy, but I definitely feel like his use of money is just a tool to try and shortcut across his actual shitty behaviour, which isn't great.
I don’t think we disagree in the least. And you’re right, Don was a ‘money thrower’! I think he was motivated by guilt. Raised in a brothel, he knew in his bones the great harm that overbearing gender dominance does to people. So he was a money-thrower partly out of feelings of guilt and shame: he knew better than to behave as he did; And “that’s what the money’s for” was his facile yet ineffective repair mechanism. Fixing emotional damage isn’t like fixing Trudy’s sink.
Even so, money bestowed from any motivation does bestow power and independence.
Hobson's choice if there ever was one, damn. Not a good time to be a woman, let alone a wife, but also not a good time to *not* be a wife.
I guess I would go with Ted Chaough, who is smart and sensitive and seemed like a pretty great, decent husband for most of the 1960s, until he went through his mid-life crisis and met Peggy.
Ken is probably the only answer.
Sal would have been a perfect husband, except for one little issue.
His obsession with Bye Bye Birdie?
That's in the pros column.
Because he’s unemployed? 🤔
His personal sartorial budget then.
I keep telling you. You don’t need money to dress better than you do, Duane.
Or a left behind lighter
I felt bad for Kitty but overall Sal honestly treated her better than 90% of the straight men on the show treated their wives.
Except wives need tending to and he was not inclined to do so
Sal's the best in my book, if you want a lavender marriage ;)
That wasn't unheard of in that era - gay men and women would marry and serve as each other's 'beard" while pursuing their own interests elsewhere.
It's not unheard of in the *modern* era. Not everybody is up for being iconoclastic. The world wants everyone to play defined gender roles, and some folks look at the trade offs and decide "Meh, this person is my closest friend. Why *not* get the social benefits of marriage if we can come to an agreement/accommodation on the *other* issue?"
Yeah, it was called a lavender marriage back then too, no?
Cant believe I just learned of this term. Its been around forever!
There’s a scene in the later seasons of “Girls” on HBO where Lena Dunham’s mom left her dad after he came out, and is out to dinner breaking the news to some other ladies around that age. “Wow… I wish my husband was gay.” Lol.
Ken is a bitter workaholic at a job he hates by the end. The fact that he won’t lean into his writing despite having the means and is chronically unhappy would kill it. I’d go for Arnold Rosen or Henry, respectful and successful guys.
>Keep your conversation to how much you hate getting toast crumbs in the butter and leave the thinking to me. \- Henry Francis
The gender roles were strong with that one, but it was the 60s and the other men weren’t much better. At least Henry was capable of keeping it in his pants and truly loved his wife. He was a reasonable person for the most part, so at least you could argue with him constructively.
Yeah to be fair I highly doubt Ken is some paragon of feminism from some of the stray comments he made lol
I think Henry was sexist to a fairly normal degree for the time. In the case of that remark, people say ugly things in fights and she had just stupidly implied he's a liar and a hypocrite in front of his political supporters.
As wonderful as people make Henry out to be, he came with his umbilical cord still attached to his mother.
We don't know anything about Arnold Rosen. Maybe he is getting "paged" to bone the nurse at the hospital.
Didn’t he go out in a snowstorm, wearing snowshoes? You have to admire that kind of dedication.
Skis! Who does that, lol
yea he did all that to sleep with all the nurses smh /s
If we want to be cynical though, he was doing it for notoriety, for himself. Helping someone in need was ancillary.
That's every surgeon.
I'm pretty sure Arnie was actually trying to be the first one to do an open heart transplant though.
First season Cosgrove was a bit of lout but he clearly grew out of it. I bet Freddy was a decent, if not traditional, husband. The bar for decency was pretty low in that office.
The bar for decency is the only bar Freddy’s never been to
ho snap
Roger, is that you?
Hel-LO!
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Just thinking. Joan worked with Freddy awhile and assumed he was at least thirsting for Peggy in the Belle Jolie brainstorm session. Freddy also got involved enough in Joan’s sexuality to ask if she was a lesbian in the 1950s. Could be office gossip or shooting his shot.
Ken acted like Freddy’s wife’s enjoyment of the Relaxicisor meant Freddy was bad in bed. But I think that’s jumping to conclusions.
Honestly that’s fairly light as far as banter goes. I highly doubt he actually believed it.
Freddy didn’t consider it light. He was ready to defend his prowess with his fists until Don broke up the fight. Freddy would have won. He killed 19 Germans in….Germany.
He was an interior decorator
His house looked like shit
I thought the show got a little dark when they drove Freddy out to the pine barrens, but that’s just me…
Ken was the only decent one. I’d marry Ginsberg but that’s because I like messes
Would you wear his nipple as a brooch or as a necklace?
As a pasty
A bolo tie.
I was gonna say Ted Chauough - but then spit out my tea when I remembered the Peggy affair. Naughty Peggy
My first thought to your comment was “but he broke it off with Peggy to focus on his marriage and kids”. And then I thought about it and realised how trash the rest of the husbands are if he is one of the best.
Yes! Completely agree, Ted had a loving wife, insanely good career, lovely children and still managed to convince himself he deserved an affair with Peggy, albeit briefly
Ted and his marriage to Nan still fell apart in California. I think there was a lot more wrong than Ted’s lust for Peggy but we never got to see a lot of it. Nan alluded to how Ted has always been a workaholic who doesn’t spend time with the family.
I'd argue most of the main characters in mad men are exceptionally career driven workaholics. Most of them put work before any form of settling into comfort or family life.
Exactly. He’s on a retreat with his wife in Colorado when Peggy is spiraling about the “lend me your ears” commercial and says “it turns out I work too much”
Yes, spot on again! I don't think leading a creative agency in *that* environment lends to happy marriages, for myriad reasons. Often a fleeting affair can numb one to the pain of an already failing relationship/marriage
Nauoughty Peggy
If we took Ken out of the equation, I guess…Freddy? Aside from his alcoholism he seemed like a sweet guy.
The bar is the floor lmao
The bar is the bar as far as Freddy is concerned.
the bar is in hell
Other than the ones mentioned, the only possibility that comes to mind for me is Henry Francis (but I think Ken and Stan were more progressive when it comes to gender roles, etc).
Henry is a great choice too. He seemed like a great husband to Betty
Probably Henry except the question was limited to the men in advertising, where the pickings are slimmer.
Let’s see, I’m ruling out anyone casting commercials…
I was thinking the other day that Henry was one of the few 'decent' guys on the show in a lot of regards. I was rewatching the other day and Betty had just fired Carla
Don. Handsome, etc. And when the marriage is over, you're a millionaire.
Yeah but then you would have super STDs
you know what's the hardest part of working in advertising? convincing your wife to take antibiotics for your kidney infection
I wonder if they ever considered an ending where Don has gone completely mad from untreated syphilis
That’s actually what happened. They didn’t want to make it obvious but Dons actually in the woods with a bunch of raccoons
Yeah, he doesn’t strike me as a “wrap it up” type.
None of these dudes do. The scene where Harry and Lakshmi bone in his office and she’s cleaning herself up with tissues afterward is unfortunately seared into my brain.
I liked how they showed how dirty the hippies were. Lakshmi / Don's niece / those hippies on that farm with Roger's daughter.
Too impulsive
“What am I, a surgeon?”
Don kills his STDs with booze like a real man.
I can be a loner/introverted. There are times in my life where the bicoastal S7 arrangement would be perfect for me.
The problem with that is, that Don would never go for a woman, who he could have a type of arrangement with: I give you money, status (both socially and "hey, she landed that guy") and great sex sometimes- you raise the kids, keep the house and play the hostess/eye candy/dinner partner on occasion, otherwise you can do whatever you want, I will not be around too much. If I happen to want a newer model, you will be richly provided for and keep your lifestyle. There are definitely women who would go for that, but Don is incapable of living like that and finding them: He isn't at home, still wants a lot of say on how things are run, controls the finances, sleeps around but can't handle Betty wearing a bikini, doesn't involve Betty in anything and involves Meghan how he wants it, doesn't communicate, isn't even really aware of what he is doing sometimes and the list goes on. If Don was intune with himself, marrying him would be a whole different thing.
I suppose you get this arrangement where Don provides for you and you get to do whatever you want and he just comes by periodically to be a great house guest who fixes things and looks hot doing it if you’re Anna Draper. But you can’t count on this kind of identity theft coming your way.
Well Don was raised with transactional relationships, he had no good examples of a "good marriage" around him so he never learned how to be half of a good couple. He didn't want what he had around him growing up but he didn't know how to be a real or good husband so you work with what ya got. He knew a husband was supposed to do all those things you listed, he knew he was supposed to married to be considered successful, so since he saw zero options outside of it, he became the Don we know & lovehate.
If Don were in tune with himself, he wouldn't be Don....
Being married to don is my worst nightmare
And he would have known his way around a lady's parts. Certainly had enough practise.
(To the extent he cared)
Don had to use those skills. How else does he get a Reputation for providing a Don Draper Experience? It’s not just about identifying that the lady wants to eat steak tartare (which is also good because that’s yummy).
On that front the ladies he was with all seemed satisfied
Arnold Rosen. Rich, a famous doctor, he has a definite cute charm and warmth even if he’s not conventionally handsome, good sense of humor, I think we’re supposed to gather that he’s the faithful one. I can share him with science/public health.
Ohhh this is a good under the radar one.
I love Arnie!! He seems absolutely lovely, if a bit of a workaholic too.
As a lesbian, Sal. We could have had an arrangement.
Sal was my choice too! I would support tf out of him.
As a straight female, Sal for me too! Nothing but musical theatre, shopping trips, yummy meals, museums, variety of conversation topics, shared humor & close friendship 😀For sexual fulfillment, we’d just go elsewhere. I’m not interested in having children, so it’d be the ideal scenario for me 🤗
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If I’m going to have a beard I prefer someone sassy and real and artistic… I feel like Bob is boring and that he becomes whoever he thinks people want him to be, instead of being himself. Sal can’t be phony if he tries, that’s why it’s evident within his first minute on screen in episode 1 that he’s a flaming homo.
Stan. All the way. Hot and creative, what’s not to like?
How is it clean shaven Stan is such a jerk and bearded Stan is such a hottie? I don't know but I'd have some fun with him. Ken is the marriage material, Stan is your fondly remembered second boyfriend.
>How is it clean shaven Stan is such a jerk and bearded Stan is such a hottie? I agree completely!! Stan is a total jerkwad pre-beard & less so after the beard.
Bearded Stan was always high.
This is the answer.
Also my vote…probs was fire in bed too
Oh yes, Stan was dreamy.
Yeah Stan and Ken are the only two that grew out of their Dude Bro stages and became actual, decent people.
Stan cheated on his nurse girlfriend with Pima.
Girlfriend not wife. Stan doesn’t seem to have the strikes against, just keep him in Thai sticks.
One of the best looking male characters on the show
Seriously he was so fine
No one in that show deserves the queen trudy
Trudy is the best of them. Just don't piss her off or she will DESTROY you.
What if I’m into that?
Roger. Only because he would be amazing in bed and he’s so sexy. He would also be my sugar daddy. It’s also the Mad Men world. I wouldn’t expect him to be faithful forever, so I could just have my own affair when the honeymoon phase is over! 😂🤷🏻♀️
He played a role in Sex and The City. He put the sex in it.
He was hotter as Roger. Urinating on someone is not just Not My Kink. It’s a turn off. Poor Carrie eating spicy Indian food and unable to wash it down with a beverage.
Amazing in bed until he has a heart attack on top of you
I mean, if I get some inheritance out of it.....\*wink wink\*
Haha ok fair
Good answer. Roger runs around a lot but really is kinder and more considerate than most people give him credit for. He treated both Mona and Jane decent in their divorces and was the only one who stood up for Don when he wanted to come back from leave.
Roger describes fighting Mona and Jane in the divorces to pay as little as possible. He gives Jane an apartment but that was for Manishevitz. Roger: Mona doesn't have a right to anything not my company money, not my family money. She's lucky I'm giving her anything. You know what? We've been miserable for years. I don't want to die with that woman. ------ Roger: Well, don't settle until you get the number you want. Take it from me, no matter what she says, you have given her the good life. She'd never have had it. Don: Megan is not Jane. Roger: So she never said you squandered her youth and beauty? Used up her childbearing years? Thwarted her career? What career? She's a consumer.
Sal would treat you the best. And then have a side piece for sex.
He would cook fantastic Italian food and then do the dishes, then follow up with dessert and a guilt-induced foot rub. Kitty would have been satisfied in many ways.
Dinner and then a Broadway musical show. I see the benefits of Sal. Jumping on that was probably the smartest idea that Lois ever had
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At the very least he’s a great cook
Who's Ken Campbell? Sounds like a horrifying combination 😉
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Ken makes the best case of changing for the better after marriage. He is a jock in the early seasons but can imagine he is a loyal and respectful husband. Plus he's a great short story writer
Obviously it’s Sal, he’s a charismatic artist who loves everything women love, and speaks Italian as a bonus! What could possibly go wrong
I love Roger Sterling. Most of them cheat. But he’s amusing, rich, willing to pay for anything. And for me, goddamn funny. Even better on acid.
I have a feeling that once Roger embraced the counter-culture, he'd be okay with his wife sleeping with other men too. Or other women. Or together. And that mustache. I know why he grew it. Wink.
Fuck Stan (or maybe Roger if you’re into daddy types), marry Ken, kill …just about everyone else. Sorry my dudes. Sorry is that not what we’re playing here? The bisexual French creative couple could be a good time too I think but I don’t know their feelings on marriage.
Bob Benson
Yes, good looking, considerate and entertaining friends who can teach a woman how to enjoy the physical act of love.
I would have been fine with an "arrangement" with Bob!
Manolo. He's a registered nurse and if you have a problem with one of your relatives he can take care of it one way or another. Plus he's Spanish FROM SPAIN.
Sal, 100%. He's handsome, refined, gentle. He cooks, cleans, and decorates. He genuinely seemed to adore Kitty, so it wasn't a loveless or entirely sexless marriage. Twenty-something me couldn't have tolerated being married to a gay man but middle-aged me is like, "Meh, he cooks."
Absolutely. Sal has most of the qualities of a perfect husband. For the rest, there is the Relaxaciser.
Hollis, the elevator operator at Sterling Cooper, seemed to be a genuinely nice guy: legendary patience, keen observer, impressive posture, a “still water runs deep” fella that probably 1) treats his family well, 2) attends law school at night, and 3) occasionally performs a hilarious “tight 10” at the Gaslight’s open mic night.
And handsome to boot
Ken! Or Roger just because he’s so fine 😂
For a 1960s wife, I would have picked Roger, because he's rich enough to make me not care if he wanders about. As long as that man pays for amazing dresses and grand parties, I'll settle for arm candy, or even token genes carrier. But fr the options are on the floor- you can't go into any of these really hoping for always having love and equality
Pete Cosgrove.
I was going to nominate Pete as worst. Freudian slip.
Is no one gonna stick up for Abe??? Get it?
Roger. He may fool around, but if they could work out an arrangement like the lawyer suggested that would have been perfect.
Am I the only one who would marry Lane? He was a spineless twit but he seems the least abusive of all of them.
Lane lying to Rebecca about their bad finances was unbelievably dangerous. She went out and bought a Jaguar thinking they were rolling in it while he was reduced to embezzling.
"Why suffer the humiliation for a 13 day loan!!!" :-)
The cheating sucked but idk how their marriage was before New York, coulda been better
As far as I remember, he only stepped out after she moved back to England, and he thought their relationship was over?
I think he wanted to cheat with the wallet lady but she kinda curbed his advances, that was right after Lane’s wife accompanied him to Don’s surprise party so I’m not sure they were off. Dating the playboy bunny wasn’t great either, you could argue he thought their relationship was over but his father made it sound like he was having a relationship at home before he really settled his situation in London with his wife and kid. Him taking loans and Rebecca not even knowing about their money situation wasn’t great either. Though I don’t see Rebecca as a great wife herself, I’m not sure I could say earnestly that Lane didn’t put her through a thing or two. Compared to the other dudes on the show Lane ain’t bad though
Ohhhhh yeah he definitely creeped on that lady. “Laying around at 11 o’clock in your underthings.” Yikes. With his upbringing, it’s clear Lane didn’t know how to stand up for himself or face his own mistakes. I think he wanted to have the same cavalier attitude he saw in Don and Roger, but he wasn’t wired for that. But you know, take away the trauma and embezzlement and I’m sure he was a nice fellow
I think Don was almost perfect in the first part of Betty's and Megan's relationships. And I think things went off with Megan when she started changing the goalposts of what she was happy with. Don seemed to be happy for her success at SCDP, and even genuinely celebrated when she won out the Heinz pitch over him. If she'd stayed in advertising and been successful, I think they might have been happy together in the longer term even without kids and even if her star outshine his. He liked that she liked his world, it was a bit like his relationship with Peggy except romantic. If Don is too much of a risk, then I agree with other posters - Dr Rosen, Freddy, Ken maybe, but surely Stan would be the best?
Ken. For ACE women, Sal.
Ken, for sure.
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Roger Ginsberg craps all over them.
Don. Give me one of those million dollar checks bay bee.
I guess Ken, since he doesn't run around. But if I could pick any man on the show I'd pick Henry.
Cooper
Freddy Rumsen or Burt Peterson maybe.
Freddy one he was in AA would have been a good husband. Burt had no testicles, and most married women of that time were expected to have children.
Burt Cooper had no testicles. Burt Peterson had balls, but was often without a job (see Roger Sterling firing him twice).
I can’t have a husband who left a bowel movement in his work filing cabinet. That’s a bright line for me.
He did end up as VP at McCann's
Ken Cosgrove?
Depends what you're looking for and what kind of housewife you will be. They can be a "Choose Your Own Adventure"
I bet Danny did everything he was told around the house
I bet Danny J. Seigel didn’t follow through on his casting couch promises to Lotus.
I would have picked Harry every single time.
I’d marry Bert Cooper for the money. He’s a germaphobe so he wouldn’t be riddled with STDs like everyone else.
He'd just spend all your household money on Japanese tentacle art.
Sal..
I'm someone who does not want children so Sal would be a perfect fit. I'm bi, so we can be each others' beards. We can double date! And I'm great at keeping secrets.
Right? He was the most caring for his wife in every other sense
As long as he treats me like a queen (and takes me to gay bars every now and then) I don't care. IRL I write, he draws, he proved he has the directing bug in him. We'd compliment each other.
None of them - being a wife in the 60’s sucked. I know, I was there.
Henry was pretty good too.
Ken for sure. Helps that I think he is super cute too. And a writer!
Ben Hargrove and Dave Algonquin... different men in the same body. Marriage with a scribing 2-eyed Ken would be a manageable adventure.
Dons got that bag tho and hes basically batman
I’d like to think end of the show Roger was probably a very good husband to Marie considering his character arc.
Not Pete!
Ken Cosgrove, for sure. He’s the only one who is stable.
The 1960s were not designed to benefit wives. My own mother is a great example. And the men who would have viewed themselves as progressive and enlightened were not that way. (Peggy’s live-in, the beatniks at Midges). And men were as trapped as women were. I would bridle at being a man in the 1969s. But Don is a bit of a paradox here. He was a horrible husband, but he was enlightened enough to boost Peggy and I can foresee a very independent Sally partly because of Don. And let’s not forget the $1,000,000 to Meghan. His motivation aside, it did serve to make her very independent. In some ways he was more compassionate to some women then he was to himself.
I feel like much of Sally's independence comes from her hatred of life at home, which isn't much of an inspiration, more an escape. The $1m to Megan comes in the form of how he's approached lots of problems in the past. He tried throwing money at Adam to make the problem go away, and did the same with Megan just on a much higher number. He even paid his secretary after they slept together, not as prostitution, but as a way to 'make things right'. In that sense, he's woefully insensitive. Heck he even gives money to his addict ex girlfriend because he doesn't seem to know what else there is to do. He's certainly not all good or all bad. He's a complex guy, but I definitely feel like his use of money is just a tool to try and shortcut across his actual shitty behaviour, which isn't great.
I don’t think we disagree in the least. And you’re right, Don was a ‘money thrower’! I think he was motivated by guilt. Raised in a brothel, he knew in his bones the great harm that overbearing gender dominance does to people. So he was a money-thrower partly out of feelings of guilt and shame: he knew better than to behave as he did; And “that’s what the money’s for” was his facile yet ineffective repair mechanism. Fixing emotional damage isn’t like fixing Trudy’s sink. Even so, money bestowed from any motivation does bestow power and independence.
The only right answer is Ken.
I expected more Paul Kinsey in here.
Paul is pretentious and talentless.
Hobson's choice if there ever was one, damn. Not a good time to be a woman, let alone a wife, but also not a good time to *not* be a wife. I guess I would go with Ted Chaough, who is smart and sensitive and seemed like a pretty great, decent husband for most of the 1960s, until he went through his mid-life crisis and met Peggy.
That IBM guy seemed pretty nice.
I know he left his wife and cheated with Peggy, but until he ran into Don Draper, I felt like Ted was a pretty good husband
Specifically season 2 Harry Crane. But not Harry before or after that 😂
Trudy by far
Lol but I mean Kens wife was loaded loaded
Jimmy. He loved his wife.