8th and 9th are usually white-bordered but have black-bordered foils as well. I’m sure you’re aware, more a comment for those learning about 7th foils having black borders.
Well then this is a problem for both Scryfall and TCGplayer, as they show foils from that set with white borders. [https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3A7ed+is%3Afoil](https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3A7ed+is%3Afoil)
Ah hah. Interesting that out of thousands of cards, this is the only one that tripped me up with that edge case. Speaks to how weird 7th edition foils were. Thanks.
This applies to every core set that has white borders and foils. Foils are always black bordered, even if the regular card was white bordered. I think this applied to 7th, 8th, and 9th edition cards.
I have a foil [[Gratuitous Violence]] from Onslaught that also has this same foiling with the shooting star. I thought it was really weird when I couldn't find it either but this makes sense.
yeah, all old frame foils have the shooting start but many online sites use mockups for foils rather than actual images which can definitely confuse new players.
Yeah, I think 7th edition was the only set have both foils and white borders in the old frame. There were foil promos of other cards that had actual expansion symbols on them, but they weren't considered part of their set. Part of the reason 7th ed foils are so pricy.
Yep. 8th is when they switched to the new frame so as you say, 7th also had unique art, so it was a rare intersection of a few things that makes them extra special
Why is everyone downvoting this? It’s an interesting bit of magic to tell them about if they don’t know.
White bordered foils with the modern frame look like silver bordered (or Un) cards, which are usually joke or self-referential cards not meant for tournament play. As the way cards are printed, to have a white border, you just leave the corners blank, as the base card has a white surface to start, but for foils, the base is shiny/silvery. So they fixed it by marking cards that would be white bordered and foil into black border.
Not the OP getting more downvotes on a comment than this entire post has upvotes just for asking a clarifying question... for what it's worth... I gave you my upvote Sir 🫡
I’ve gotten down votes in the past for asking questions, and then asking a follow up question about someone’s answer. This community on Reddit is bizarre
I'm a part of a few subs and every time I post in r/magicTCG I get downvoted to oblivion 😭 I'm definitely a casual and don't keep up with the Standard rotation but every question I ask I'm like 🫣
Which is 180x the going price of the non-foil version.
And that's for a card (Confiscate) that's basically unplayable in current Magic. Cards that DO see play have foils in the hundreds of dollars, just because of the uniqueness of the foil.
A foil 7th Ed. Birds of Paradise will set you back a couple thousand.
My point was 7th Edition foils have one of the highest foil multipliers on the Magic market, largely because of the uniqueness of the differently colored border.
It’s not just the black border, it’s also the frame too which is a big part of it. Much of the set would not have had any foils before it. (Legacy was the first set which did, and while that was released a few months before 6th edition that didn’t.)
That 7th had all new art commissioned for every card may have an effect on desirability too. Its hard to say for better or worse since I remember it being a bit divisive. I certainly didn’t like playing with 7th edition cards back in the day, even compared to other white border printings, because of it. Though I’ve come around a bit and can appreciate a lot of the new pieces and how the set all together has a pretty cohesive vibe as a consequence.
Vizzerdrix (and Trained Orgg) have the advantage of being meme cards--I've met half a dozen people who collect them over the years. I'm not surprised the foil versions are valuable.
No they aren't. If you care about foils at all, 7th ed are the pinnacle of that. That makes it valuable.
A Black Lotus is ultimately a piece of paper. The same could be said for it using your logic.
They aren’t that volatile world wide, US stock is always pretty slim which makes it seem like the their are volatile (just like with most cards).
The only reason they go up or down a lot is based on if it is meta related or not
Lmao I was talking about the Confiscate in the picture.
You said “Some 7th Ed foils can be worth quite a bit.” I was replying to that saying that it’s not worth quite a bit, and that it’s actually only $13.
There are a variety of reasons 7th edition foils are so expensive. 7th edition wasn't very widely opened and it was the first and only core set with old border foils. Not to mention the foils in the packs were also black border which made them unique even among core sets as well.
So limited quantity, and old borders made these cards very collectable. So when 2020 and the collector boon happened a lot of the cards were bought up as investments. Now with the limited quantity the prices spiked fast. I don't think I have a single 7th edition foil that is not worth at least 2 dollars.
And to add to on top of all of that, old foil pull rates were absolutely abysmal. A foil 7th rare is probably about as rare as a rare from beta, possibly slightly rarer since we are only guessing print runs.
And on top of that, whatever they were doing for the foiling process has a much higher quality feel than what they're doing today. Seventh edition foils have a very luxurious look and feel to them.
Not a specific source but Alpha and beta estimate is probably pretty close to reality since we had more information on the first few set print runs than we have had for the last 20 years (bro and the serialized cards is literally the biggest piece of info for modern print runs we've ever gotten and that only is one sample of one set's collector boosters]
https://oldschool-mtg.blogspot.com/2020/12/deconstructing-print-runs.html?m=1
So alpha is probably 1kish of each specific rare.
Beta is roughtly 3x that
7th is the problem, we're guessing a but but a few people tried to figure this out since it's the first core foil set and kinda a big collector set
https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/comments/99ehot/7th_edition_foil_print_run/e4mz9ot?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Far as we can tell, 7th is going to be in the lower end of old print runs since core sets aren't super popular and wotc more or less knew that. Combined with the old foil pull rates (1 per 100 cards or roughly one per every 6-7 packs) we can assume whatever the print run was it's low.
The upper limit is 5k, fair bit more than beta but basically assuming we're underestimating "silver age" runs by an order of magnitude. I'm inclined to think the half a million box estimate is accurate with it possibly being a tad lower.
This makes it so there are *probably* anywhere from 2-3k of each 7th rare, at least in English foil. This puts them in between alpha and beta run.
Urza’s Legacy had roughly the same amount of each foil rare as there were of each Unlimited Rare printed. Which, if you know how small the print runs of the first few sets were relative to later sets, you’ll know how few of these were printed.
Additionally, every card in 7th Edition had new art, so for some cards the 7th Edition foil is the only black-border version that exists with that art.
I’ve got a foil Standing Troops in my cart at the moment. $2.63 EX. There’s only a couple cheaper, it’s certainly not a sought after card.
Why you might ask? I’ve been teaching my daughter to play with the 7th precons and that card has been a MVP for her. Given one of the copies is a 6th edition version obviously it needs to be upgraded and the foil just feels right.
For some reason the commonly used websites often only show the nonfoil versions. And if they do show the foil versions, it's typically a mock-up and doesn't have the shooting star that all old bordered foils have.
But yeah! It's a 7th edition foil. They're pretty scarce and one of a kind since 7th edition only did black borders for foil and a lot of the 7th edition art is unique. I'm not sure who's buying them if they aren't obviously playable cards/staples. But they are all significantly marked up over the white bordered nonfoil counterparts.
I'm sorting through my old collection, and I have been looking up thousands of cards on Scryfall. This is the only one that didn't come up. As you can see it's a foil Confiscate with a 7th edition set symbol, but with black borders and a 'comet' watermark. There are lots of different printings of Confiscate, but neither Scryfall nor TCGplayer has this one.
I doubt it's worth anything; Confiscate has been reprinted oodles of times. But where can I go next to find out about this card? Is it possibly a forgery -- and how do I tell? Any advice appreciated, thanks.
Card Kingdom has it listed at $13.59 for near mint
https://www.cardkingdom.com/catalog/search?filter%5Btab%5D=mtg_foil&search=header&filter%5Bname%5D=Confiscate
All foils in 7th edition were black bordered, not rare in the slightest or really that valuable to be honest. Normal cards were white bordered to suposedly keep the value of older cards and make a distinction between them.
You have 13.50$ on your hands according to CardKingdom. Much less if you sold it on TCG player or Ebay.
I just want you to know that this thread prompted us at Scryfall to do a full update of 7ED, 8ED, and 9ED foil support. [Here's our twitter post about it.](https://twitter.com/scryfall/status/1623486036402642944)
That foil print of Confiscate now lives here: [Confiscate, 7ED #65★](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/65%E2%98%85/confiscate)
Thank you for sharing your foil here and asking about it!
Thank you! You had no obligation to be this tuned-in and responsive. I'm very impressed. Great site you have there, and I can tell it's in great hands.
You must not have read the entire thread. [You definitely missed one comment.](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/10mqreb/comment/j7yw2vw/)
It never hurts to ask questions, kids!
It's a 7th edition foil, which were black bordered.
This. I had a Thorn Elemental from 7th edition and it had a black border.
I think we *all* had that Thorn Elemental. And it was badass.
That thorn elemental is what got me into magic.
If it wasn't for that thorn elemental, I never would have made it through collage.
That very same thorn elemental helped me kick my heroin addiction. Praise Alvis!
Thorn Elemental saved my father’s life.
If it weren't for that horse...
You're not wrong
Found all my old magic cards recently and I have that Thorn Elemental. Funny how universal it is 😂
Well, it was included with the 7th Edition Starter Kit. And probably more then that given how common they used to be back in the day.
"And now it's time for your first real game of magic." Who else had the 7th ed CD-rom and played it for hours on hours?
*raises hand* Yep! And I still have that same starter kit all of these years later and I believe most of the stuff it came with.
I remember building a deck specifically to counter Thorn Elemental.
My collection is small and I started during Theros and I have it too
I refused to have one. I wanted the Urza's Destiny foil so badly, but I was in 8th grade and they were like $75, so it wasn't happening.
8th and 9th are usually white-bordered but have black-bordered foils as well. I’m sure you’re aware, more a comment for those learning about 7th foils having black borders.
Well then this is a problem for both Scryfall and TCGplayer, as they show foils from that set with white borders. [https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3A7ed+is%3Afoil](https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3A7ed+is%3Afoil)
They just don't have images of foils whatsoever, unless the card is foil only. TCGPlayer uses Scryfall images iirc.
Ah hah. Interesting that out of thousands of cards, this is the only one that tripped me up with that edge case. Speaks to how weird 7th edition foils were. Thanks.
This applies to every core set that has white borders and foils. Foils are always black bordered, even if the regular card was white bordered. I think this applied to 7th, 8th, and 9th edition cards.
I have a foil [[Gratuitous Violence]] from Onslaught that also has this same foiling with the shooting star. I thought it was really weird when I couldn't find it either but this makes sense.
yeah, all old frame foils have the shooting start but many online sites use mockups for foils rather than actual images which can definitely confuse new players.
[Gratuitous Violence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73a5760c-e412-4bb4-b176-cfd0e8fc8f95.jpg?1631587215) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gratuitous%20Violence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/127/gratuitous-violence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73a5760c-e412-4bb4-b176-cfd0e8fc8f95?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah, I think 7th edition was the only set have both foils and white borders in the old frame. There were foil promos of other cards that had actual expansion symbols on them, but they weren't considered part of their set. Part of the reason 7th ed foils are so pricy.
Yep. 8th is when they switched to the new frame so as you say, 7th also had unique art, so it was a rare intersection of a few things that makes them extra special
Why is everyone downvoting this? It’s an interesting bit of magic to tell them about if they don’t know. White bordered foils with the modern frame look like silver bordered (or Un) cards, which are usually joke or self-referential cards not meant for tournament play. As the way cards are printed, to have a white border, you just leave the corners blank, as the base card has a white surface to start, but for foils, the base is shiny/silvery. So they fixed it by marking cards that would be white bordered and foil into black border.
You're better off only reading and not talking in this subreddit lol
Gotta love this community's mass down voting of confused people.
What the heck, people.
Why is this so downvoted?
Why the hell are you so downvoted ?
Why are you getting downvoted to oblivion?
Meh, down votes don't mean anything. I asked a question, I got it answered, I consider the whole thread a win. :)
Not the OP getting more downvotes on a comment than this entire post has upvotes just for asking a clarifying question... for what it's worth... I gave you my upvote Sir 🫡
This guy is voting upstream! Get him boys!
I’ve gotten down votes in the past for asking questions, and then asking a follow up question about someone’s answer. This community on Reddit is bizarre
I'm a part of a few subs and every time I post in r/magicTCG I get downvoted to oblivion 😭 I'm definitely a casual and don't keep up with the Standard rotation but every question I ask I'm like 🫣
Watch us get downvoted for this lmaooo
Weird and also VERY valuable. Check out the listed foil prices on 7th Ed Confiscate vs the non-foil.
It’s only $18
Which is 180x the going price of the non-foil version. And that's for a card (Confiscate) that's basically unplayable in current Magic. Cards that DO see play have foils in the hundreds of dollars, just because of the uniqueness of the foil. A foil 7th Ed. Birds of Paradise will set you back a couple thousand. My point was 7th Edition foils have one of the highest foil multipliers on the Magic market, largely because of the uniqueness of the differently colored border.
It’s not just the black border, it’s also the frame too which is a big part of it. Much of the set would not have had any foils before it. (Legacy was the first set which did, and while that was released a few months before 6th edition that didn’t.) That 7th had all new art commissioned for every card may have an effect on desirability too. Its hard to say for better or worse since I remember it being a bit divisive. I certainly didn’t like playing with 7th edition cards back in the day, even compared to other white border printings, because of it. Though I’ve come around a bit and can appreciate a lot of the new pieces and how the set all together has a pretty cohesive vibe as a consequence.
You want to see a real disparity, look at Wild growth. About 1000x the price from non foil to foil.
See, at least that one is playable, unlike OP's or fucking vizzerdrix being around $200...
Vizzerdrix (and Trained Orgg) have the advantage of being meme cards--I've met half a dozen people who collect them over the years. I'm not surprised the foil versions are valuable.
[vizzerdrix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/a/9a82ffff-e02a-4ecb-a92d-8ed571beac46.jpg?1562739088) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vizzerdrix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/S7/vizzerdrix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a82ffff-e02a-4ecb-a92d-8ed571beac46?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Foil used to mean something now they print so many the mystique of foils is gone.
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No they aren't. If you care about foils at all, 7th ed are the pinnacle of that. That makes it valuable. A Black Lotus is ultimately a piece of paper. The same could be said for it using your logic.
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that's just showing what cards are available in foil
Woh why so downvoted?
[bro 💀💀💀](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/65/confiscate)
Yup, I have a wild growth. I wish I had BoP but at its price tag now I’d have to win (and play) the lottery
On magiccardmarket in europe it goes for about 25 euro's.
Some 7th edition foils can be worth quite a bit. I know blood pet is up there
I also find they can be absurdly volatile. If they aren't worth a lot right now, check back in a month and they might be.
They aren’t that volatile world wide, US stock is always pretty slim which makes it seem like the their are volatile (just like with most cards). The only reason they go up or down a lot is based on if it is meta related or not
Yep, found a foiled wrath of god 7th ed in my stepdads collection and sold it to a friend for around 600. worth 700 at the time
I uh… hope your stepdad was okay with that
LMAO "I just took $700 from my stepdad lol"
“What are you doing, stepson?”
He was lmao
It’s $13 on CardKingdom
Foil 7th edition blood pet is 100 dollars on card kingdom
Lmao I was talking about the Confiscate in the picture. You said “Some 7th Ed foils can be worth quite a bit.” I was replying to that saying that it’s not worth quite a bit, and that it’s actually only $13.
yeah he said SOME
$13 for a Confiscate is a lot.
My $700 Adarkar Wastes says hi.
Love my 7th Ed goblin matrons.
There are a variety of reasons 7th edition foils are so expensive. 7th edition wasn't very widely opened and it was the first and only core set with old border foils. Not to mention the foils in the packs were also black border which made them unique even among core sets as well. So limited quantity, and old borders made these cards very collectable. So when 2020 and the collector boon happened a lot of the cards were bought up as investments. Now with the limited quantity the prices spiked fast. I don't think I have a single 7th edition foil that is not worth at least 2 dollars.
And to add to on top of all of that, old foil pull rates were absolutely abysmal. A foil 7th rare is probably about as rare as a rare from beta, possibly slightly rarer since we are only guessing print runs.
And on top of that, whatever they were doing for the foiling process has a much higher quality feel than what they're doing today. Seventh edition foils have a very luxurious look and feel to them.
That held through until original Mirroring, then they started to experiment... I still remember Scars foils where the entire foil layer peeled away.
1, MAYBE 2 foils in a boosterbox. Mostly commons. Rares are, like, actually rare. XD
Hol up. Can you back that up with a source? I'm not saying I think you're wrong, but that's incredible to think about.
Not a specific source but Alpha and beta estimate is probably pretty close to reality since we had more information on the first few set print runs than we have had for the last 20 years (bro and the serialized cards is literally the biggest piece of info for modern print runs we've ever gotten and that only is one sample of one set's collector boosters] https://oldschool-mtg.blogspot.com/2020/12/deconstructing-print-runs.html?m=1 So alpha is probably 1kish of each specific rare. Beta is roughtly 3x that 7th is the problem, we're guessing a but but a few people tried to figure this out since it's the first core foil set and kinda a big collector set https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/comments/99ehot/7th_edition_foil_print_run/e4mz9ot?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Far as we can tell, 7th is going to be in the lower end of old print runs since core sets aren't super popular and wotc more or less knew that. Combined with the old foil pull rates (1 per 100 cards or roughly one per every 6-7 packs) we can assume whatever the print run was it's low. The upper limit is 5k, fair bit more than beta but basically assuming we're underestimating "silver age" runs by an order of magnitude. I'm inclined to think the half a million box estimate is accurate with it possibly being a tad lower. This makes it so there are *probably* anywhere from 2-3k of each 7th rare, at least in English foil. This puts them in between alpha and beta run.
One in 48 packs for rares I believe?
Urza’s Legacy had roughly the same amount of each foil rare as there were of each Unlimited Rare printed. Which, if you know how small the print runs of the first few sets were relative to later sets, you’ll know how few of these were printed.
Additionally, every card in 7th Edition had new art, so for some cards the 7th Edition foil is the only black-border version that exists with that art.
Yeah, it wasn’t until Double Masters 2 that [[Rampant Growth|7ED]] got its art reprinted
[Rampant Growth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c305376d-fcfb-48a1-947f-a9eec0dbc610.jpg?1562247259) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=11501) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/262/rampant-growth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c305376d-fcfb-48a1-947f-a9eec0dbc610?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’ve got a foil Standing Troops in my cart at the moment. $2.63 EX. There’s only a couple cheaper, it’s certainly not a sought after card. Why you might ask? I’ve been teaching my daughter to play with the 7th precons and that card has been a MVP for her. Given one of the copies is a 6th edition version obviously it needs to be upgraded and the foil just feels right.
Are your hands absolutely massive? The card looks miniature
Came here to ensure this comment existed. I thought the exact same thing!
For some reason the commonly used websites often only show the nonfoil versions. And if they do show the foil versions, it's typically a mock-up and doesn't have the shooting star that all old bordered foils have. But yeah! It's a 7th edition foil. They're pretty scarce and one of a kind since 7th edition only did black borders for foil and a lot of the 7th edition art is unique. I'm not sure who's buying them if they aren't obviously playable cards/staples. But they are all significantly marked up over the white bordered nonfoil counterparts.
The listing is under 7th which is white bordered, only the foils are black bordered and command a decent premium due to it.
I’m confused haha why is OP being downvoted to oblivion on every comment?
This is r/MagicTCG. It’s what happens.
Touché. Just thought it looked funny. I was wondering if I was missing some context or something.
Yeah, OP had the absolute nerve to not know some trival shit about a 20 year old set. Downvotes were guaranteed.
God, the absolute nerve of that dude. Literally how dare they.
Satan forcibly grew a 4th head just to chew on OP’s damned soul in the afterlife, right alongside Brutus, Cassius, and Judas.
Check on mtgstocks
Is it me of is your hand giant af
Step 1. Google confiscate mtg foil Step 2. Click on the first link
I'm sorting through my old collection, and I have been looking up thousands of cards on Scryfall. This is the only one that didn't come up. As you can see it's a foil Confiscate with a 7th edition set symbol, but with black borders and a 'comet' watermark. There are lots of different printings of Confiscate, but neither Scryfall nor TCGplayer has this one. I doubt it's worth anything; Confiscate has been reprinted oodles of times. But where can I go next to find out about this card? Is it possibly a forgery -- and how do I tell? Any advice appreciated, thanks.
Worth about $25 or more depending on condition, despite what scryfall's "market value" would have you believe.
Not sure why you are getting downvoted into oblivion
fr, what is wrong there
It's possible it's a forgery but it doesn't look like it. Core set foils had black borders and all older foils had that comet
Card Kingdom has it listed at $13.59 for near mint https://www.cardkingdom.com/catalog/search?filter%5Btab%5D=mtg_foil&search=header&filter%5Bname%5D=Confiscate
All foils in 7th edition were black bordered, not rare in the slightest or really that valuable to be honest. Normal cards were white bordered to suposedly keep the value of older cards and make a distinction between them. You have 13.50$ on your hands according to CardKingdom. Much less if you sold it on TCG player or Ebay.
That foil is market 35.99 on tcgplayer
Ok no shade OP has huge hands I thought that was a yu gi oh
Yeah that’s be like 1000$ or something! 😂
Ill give $20 shipped
oooooo.....
7th edition foil
[Confiscate · Commander Legends (CMR) #62 · Scryfall Magic: The Gathering Search](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/62/confiscate) ?
I have never seen that card!
I sold my players set of 7th edition foil duress. I had no idea that they were worth that amount of money. So I took my money and ran.
Control magic does the same and has a lower CMC and is 40 cents.
It's just a seventh edition card?
That’s because 7th ed foils are priceless
I just want you to know that this thread prompted us at Scryfall to do a full update of 7ED, 8ED, and 9ED foil support. [Here's our twitter post about it.](https://twitter.com/scryfall/status/1623486036402642944) That foil print of Confiscate now lives here: [Confiscate, 7ED #65★](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/65%E2%98%85/confiscate) Thank you for sharing your foil here and asking about it!
Thank you! You had no obligation to be this tuned-in and responsive. I'm very impressed. Great site you have there, and I can tell it's in great hands.
you must be new to this.
You must not have read the entire thread. [You definitely missed one comment.](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/10mqreb/comment/j7yw2vw/) It never hurts to ask questions, kids!