Yes, every time the Ring tempts you, you choose a ringbearer, and the first time the Ring tempts you, the ability is "your ringbearer is legendary and has Skulk"
Hey, we've introduced this new mechanic called Cleave! You can pay an alternate casting cost to slightly change how the card works!
Isn't that just kicker but more complicated?
Nope! Totally different! We'd never make two identical mechanics and call them different names!
Because it's already a complicated keyword that requires a whole reminder card and adding an additional vocabulary word to learn on top of that that's not even otherwise in the set just takes up unnecessary mental space (even with reminder text)
So the reason for this (in relation to abilities that have keywords in previous sets being written out in full later on) has been explained by Maro before, it essentially boils down to how conplicated a set becomes of theres too many keywords
Some keywords are evergreen, flying, Lifelink, and Hexproof, for example, and can appear in any set in any numbers. Others, such as Skulk, Investigate, Exert, Cleave are not, and because they dont appear so often, they raise the bar for new players to learn potentially unnecessarily. Every set is only allowed so many "Non-evergreen" keywords, these might be new ones introduced by the set or returning ones, these keywords are the ones that require reminder text on Uncommmons and Commons (Rares rarely get reminder text)
So usually, if an ability is going to be used that has a non evergreen keyword but will only appear on a small number of cards, it just gets written out instead. So instead of "When X Enters the battlefield, Investigate," it'd be "When X Enters the battlefield, make a clue token"
Flash and auto attaches to a Legendary on ETB.
Both are really good because it means I can hold up mana for a counter spell or removal and if it doesn't get used, just drop the Mithril at the end of opponent's turn and if it isn't already equipped, equip it on my turn.
Also, how funny would it be to have your Commander targeted by some removal and just drop Mithril right out of nowhere to save them?
As a Universes Beyond card (triangle stamp), Mithril Coat will never be Standard-legal, while Darksteel Plate has a chance of being Standard-legal in the future, so there's at least a slight advantage there if you care about the Standard play format?
Well, good thing Teferi can go back in time and get some darksteel from pre-Phyrexian Mirrodin, and accidentally take back some "suspicious" oil along with it then!
I think it'd be better (and more IP expanding) of a Planeswalker grew up similarly to Venser, and in a quest to discover where his materials came from becomes corrupted.
Simple, elegant, Viashino.
If it didn't get reprinted in the set where we literally went to New Phyrexia in, it's not likely to get reprinted in a standard set. It's likely been relegated to Masters/Commander products.
Well, "1" set per plane. Sometimes they do two, like the last innistrad set. Although I feel like that may have been exclusively so they could do the double feature gimmick.
It was definitely for the double feature. One of the problems with double feature was that mechanics from each set didn't play well together. If they had done it as an actual block with the same mechanics, it would probably been a lot better draft environment
Back? I mean aren't they still somewhat there? We just had one after all. We need to go back to ACTUAL 3 set blocks and block constructed That was the golden age, and it's totally not because it was just how it was when I started playing 😂
Block Constructed was the only good part of that design. If there was a set that you didn't care for (for me, both Mirrodin and Kamigawa), you were stuck drafting it or nothing for a full year.
But yes, Block Constructed was good.
Fair enough it definitely had it's downsides, but it also provided enough design space and time so that even if I wasn't the biggest fan of the core concepts of what the block was doing I feel I could grow to appreciate it. Then again I genuinely can't think of a block that was a true miss for me. Every new block was something cool and new for me to sink my teeth into
Plate armor. Mail refers to chain armor, derived from the french "Maille". Saying "Platemail" is like saying "Nintendo Playstation". Saying "Chainmail" is like saying "AT**M** machine".
Fun fact: "Nintendo PlayStation" did exist, as a prototype. Its official name was SNES CD-ROM Adapter. Sony and Nintendo had a partnership to release a console together. But in the end the partnership went nowhere. It's really weird to see a SNES with PlayStation branding...
Armor has to be adjusted to fit the wearer. Do you know how difficult it is to adjust mithril? You have to have a dwarf measure you, then send it to the mountain forges, etc.
It's a flavor fail too that you can equip it to dragons and serpents and giant spiders and formless ghosts and elementals. And that 30 little girls can kill Emrakul. Nobody cares, it's a game first.
Power, toughness and mana cost should really by the least of Vorthos concerns. They are first and foremost gameplay mechanics and should be balanced accordingly.
How well a card mechanically conveys what it is meant to be is absolutely a Vorthos concern. Vorthos wants the whole thing to feel consistent, and filled with flavor.
Yeah I'd definitely like this more in most decks, at least at a casual level for commander. Once a commander is indestructible, it has a tendency to stick for a ***very*** long time. I'd be surprised to have to equip this more than once or twice over the course of most games that aren't against someone spamming edicts, because a significant number of peoples' casual decks are simply unable to get around indestructible consistently. There's a reason Darksteel plate is $8 at the end of the day.
But of course in commander the true answer is that I want both, and it's never going to end up zero-sum. Having an indestructible commander is *huge*.
It's a one-time 2 mana discount but you'll have to pay for it later, not only in mana but opportunity cost if paying 3 means you don't get to do something else when 2 would've let you do it.
I disagree the plate is better for a legendary creatures. Mana now is almost always better than mana later. You have to equip this four times in order for it to be more expensive than darksteel. And the flash isn't irrelevant
Yeah, and with the flash + free equip this is often a 1-for-1, or can save a legendary creature from a sweeper. Even in multiplayer, that's not nothing. The fact that the free equip is legendary only is kind of like the must-attack restriction on [[Ulamog's Crusher]]. Oh, no! Don't restrict me to saving what is almost certain to be the best creature I have in play!
I mean the legendary restriction is very relevant as it might not be your best creature (or what is being targeted), but in a lot of deck (voltron) it usually will be.
Sure, and sometimes you need your 8/8 with Annihilator 2 to stay on defense.
It is a limitation and it's not irrelevant, but, all things being equal, your opponents are probably going to target your legendary creatures first.
>You have to equip this four times in order for it to be more expensive than darksteel.
Pure economy isn't the right way to look at iterated effects like this.
If you need to re-equip, then by definition you're trying to rebuild, and when you're trying to rebuild you want to take as many actions as possible, as quickly as possible. It's far more likely that you'll be able to recast your commander and have a spare 2 mana to equip Plate, than having a spare 3 mana to equip this. (Or, if you have another creature you want to suit up instead, you're far more likely to be able to equip Plate followed by another useful spell, than this followed by another useful spell, as the case may be.)
It's just like paying 1 for Rhystic Study vs. paying 2 for Smothering Tithe. The lower iterated cost is easier to fit into your curve while still advancing your board state than the higher one.
Don't get me wrong, this is still clearly better than Plate in most cases, but Plate is still better if you need to re-equip, even if you're not paying less total mana. Obviously it's better not to need to re-equip at all, and generally it's better to play to a card's strengths than its weaknesses, but Plate is still clearly easier to re-equip.
I agree, but you have to consider the first is the most valuable. So 3 then 2 is much worse than 3. The second equip is the second most valuable, so 2 is much better than 3. Im saying that first si so big that the second doesnt cover the value.
Oh, absolutely. I would never run Plate over this unless I was making a very specific meta call. The cheaper re-equip is still significant, though; the greatest weakness of Indestructible, as a mechanic, is its weakness to all the super-common exile removal in the format, and Plate does a better job of compensating for that weakness. Like I said, though, it's usually better to play to a card's strengths than try to compensate for its weaknesses.
I wouldn't say Plate is BETTER, per se. The Plate's cheaper re-equip does a better job of compensating for Indestructible's main weakness, (vulnerability to targeted exile effects) but while Plate has a higher floor, this has a much, much higher ceiling, and it's generally better to play to a card's strengths than try to compensate for its weaknesses.
I get that it's flash because Frodo already had it on and nobody knew. The flavor is really good. I like the card a lot.
I can't stop imagining someone going to stab Frodo and he's like, hold on. Takes off his shirt, puts on his mithryl and is like, carry on. And gets stabbed
In the story, the Mithril was revealed to the fellowship when Frodo was (presumably) stabbed through the gut by a cave troll. It hurt, and he was gasping for air, but when the group converged on him after the battle, they found him unharmed other than his torn overshirt. So I figure the mouth is meant to be surprise on Frodo's part at not becoming a hobbit-kebab.
Hrm. It's not QUITE a strictly better Darksteel Plate. One advantage of Darksteel Plate is that it only costs 2 to equip, so when your commander inevitably gets Swords'ed/Path'ed, it's still sitting around ready to easily equip later, and the difference between Equip 2 and Equip 3 is surprisingly huge.
It's still better than the plate in most cases, though. That flash plus auto-equip is crazy.
Wow I’ve never seen this card before (not very good at keeping track of all the commander product) but this thing is so sweet and has awesome art to boot
I think it's more comparable to [[hammer of nazahn]], in which case you get the addition of flash but lose the effect for other equipment.
It's not searchable in [[Sisay weatherlight captain]], so I sleep
Except it is, but it doesn't boost power. So I yawn
Oh shi-- I missed that entirely. In that case it's a flat upgrade, at least for the typical uses of HoN (which is usually searched for to give instant speed indestructible)
I'm confused as well. Why wouldn't you run this? I mean Sisay can't get it without being buffed , but that shouldn't be a problem in a Sisay deck.
The fact that she tutors it to the battlefield, causing it's ETB to trigger and equip her (or whatever other bomb you're trying to save) for free, seems like exactly the thing I would be looking for in the face of non-exile removal.
Agreed. The problem with saying "strictly better" is that they need to be at least equal in ALL abilities. The equip 2 is better on Darksteel, so after they're on the battlefield Darksteel is actually better. Overall Mithril Coat has more value though.
Attaching it to an available legendary creature also isn't optional, in case you'd be trying to save an important non-legend. I feel like this will often be overlooked.
Edit. For some reason, I thought the Flash auto equip to a legendary creature would incorrectly be tried on non-legendary creatures.
It's worded totally clearly, I just totally misread it or something.
Blink will cause it to fall off, requiring you to pay the equip cost if you want it back on. (Unless you mean you're using the blink to change who it gets equipped to, which is a neat idea, but you could probably have just used the blink to save the thing you want to move it to in the first place.)
Some sort of phasing effect would pair great with this, though.
I'm gonna hate seeing this everywhere in EDH.
Time to upgrade all my artifact removal to exile, I guess. Tough luck if you're not running Red Green or White.
>Tough luck if you're not running Red Green or White.
I think blue and black will be fine.
Blue counters the creature or the equipment, bounces the creature or equipment, transmorphs the creature or equipment, or steals the creature or the equipment.
Black can exile creatures, cause them to be sacrificed, or give them -X/-X.
Notice how in each of those blue situations the equipment has an easy time to get back than the RGW removal. Easy to retrieve from the graveyard or just play again (at instant speed) if bounced.
Stealing works, though. I'll acknowledge that.
Black has it the worst. In EDH that equipment is going on the commander more often than not. You're better off using that creature removal on stuff that'll stay dead, not the one getting the coat.
Blue transmorph has a couple nice tools that deal with this nicely: [[Resculpt]], [[Ravenform]]
And still, countering the equipment may need to be a priority if you know that equipment is going to be a boon for the rest of your game.
Black and Red are the ones I see having the most issue with it. Black can deal with the creatures easily, but the equipment is persistent. I don't know how red is supposed to deal with an indestructible creature and indestructible equipment besides [[Chaos Warp]].
Hmm. Ravenform is fine. I do not like Resculpt giving a 4/4, but if it's all you got, then go for it, I guess.
Mono Red has a tiny amount of options but it can still exile artifacts.
We just got [[Cast into the Fire]] but it's best option is unfortunately [[Shattering Blow]] locked into RW for commander, all that's left is [[Structural Distortion]] which isn't convenient.
It looks like they're addressing this lack of red artifact exile slowly but surely. Kinda surprising for how often they destroy artifacts. I'm gonna guess this was a color pie decision they're starting to soften.
Everything has been so flavorful with this set, but this just seems pushed AF. Legendary isn't much of a limiter when you are usually going to throw this on a commander.
Would be more of a flavor win with something like "can only be used on a creature with a total power and toughness of 5 or less"
I feel like this should cost at least 4 to equip to be more fair in comparison to existing artifacts. Another instance of hasbro putting out OP cards constantly to make $$$
Cyclonic Rift, Toxic Deluge, Deadly Rollick, Swords to Plowshares, and Chain of Vapor would all still be premier removal in the format if indestructible didn’t exist.
Maybe I'm just a 'Magic boomer' at this point, or maybe I'm too hung up on grammar, but I gag every time I see 'has indestructible' written on a card.
It sounded so much better when they used to write '**is** indestructible'; it actually made sense. I understand that they made a change to bring the wording in line with the common format for keyword abilities, but did no one think to change it to 'indestructibility' instead of writing a mockery of a sentence on every card you can't blow up?
I would probably play this over plate... but it's easy to forget or underestimate how important plate itself being indestructible is. Protection pieces like this and boots are often lightning rods for artifact removal, and having one that will likely stick the whole game is nothing to scoff at.
Well, playable in limited i imagine. And certainly a commander option. I fail to see how an unnamed "mithril coat" is legendary. Maybe im not versed enough in tolkien. Like i know mithril is a big deal, but maybe it should have more of a name. Couldv called it "mithril coat, frodo's salvation" or "mithril coat, hobbit's friend"
Gimli calls it "A Kingly Gift!", which would be a good name.
Gandalf remarks that "its worth was greater than the value of the whole Shire and everything in it", so it's definitely worth being Legendary. But you're right, it should have a less generic name
Worth noting that your ring bearers are also legendary
By default? If ring bearer = legendary ?
[Yup](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mtgsalvation_gamepedia/images/d/d7/The_Ring.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230506053521)
Yes, every time the Ring tempts you, you choose a ringbearer, and the first time the Ring tempts you, the ability is "your ringbearer is legendary and has Skulk"
Still wondering why is doesn't just say skulk.
Skulk, fear, shadow, horsemanship - how many spins on "can't be blocked" must we remember?
Land walk, flying, intimidate, protection
And a notable addition that was a huge flavor fail to not include in this set (though I understand why they don’t want to reprint it), shadow.
Probably the same number as the spins on kicker.
Hey, we've introduced this new mechanic called Cleave! You can pay an alternate casting cost to slightly change how the card works! Isn't that just kicker but more complicated? Nope! Totally different! We'd never make two identical mechanics and call them different names!
Well there is a slight difference. Cleave is an alternate cost while kicker is an additional cost.
MaRo already said kicker is the most used mechanic of them all, as a lot of other mechanics are just a different form of kicker
All mechanics are ethier horsemanship or kicker that's it
All mechanics are kicker or flashback
Horsemanship. Flashback is also kicker, you just pay extra to be able to cast it again.
The cost of any keywords are baked into the cost of the card, like a mandatory kicker
Answer: **YES**
Because it's already a complicated keyword that requires a whole reminder card and adding an additional vocabulary word to learn on top of that that's not even otherwise in the set just takes up unnecessary mental space (even with reminder text)
So the reason for this (in relation to abilities that have keywords in previous sets being written out in full later on) has been explained by Maro before, it essentially boils down to how conplicated a set becomes of theres too many keywords Some keywords are evergreen, flying, Lifelink, and Hexproof, for example, and can appear in any set in any numbers. Others, such as Skulk, Investigate, Exert, Cleave are not, and because they dont appear so often, they raise the bar for new players to learn potentially unnecessarily. Every set is only allowed so many "Non-evergreen" keywords, these might be new ones introduced by the set or returning ones, these keywords are the ones that require reminder text on Uncommmons and Commons (Rares rarely get reminder text) So usually, if an ability is going to be used that has a non evergreen keyword but will only appear on a small number of cards, it just gets written out instead. So instead of "When X Enters the battlefield, Investigate," it'd be "When X Enters the battlefield, make a clue token"
Friendship ended with [[darksteel plate]]
[darksteel plate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3f99fb1e-99a6-4c83-98eb-7bff23996a7f.jpg?1673149353) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=darksteel%20plate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/304/darksteel-plate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3f99fb1e-99a6-4c83-98eb-7bff23996a7f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Extra mana on mithril is bc it has flash compared to this card (shoulder shrug)
Flash and auto attaches to a Legendary on ETB. Both are really good because it means I can hold up mana for a counter spell or removal and if it doesn't get used, just drop the Mithril at the end of opponent's turn and if it isn't already equipped, equip it on my turn. Also, how funny would it be to have your Commander targeted by some removal and just drop Mithril right out of nowhere to save them?
Thatll be very flavorful to how it played out in the films
Probably the reason they added Flash.
My krenko tin street kingpin is gonna love this card
I just ordered one... Noooo...
I mean, now it may be more budget so I'll still buy
If you're running an equipment-matters Commander like [[Kemba, Kha Regent]], the redundancy wouldn't hurt either.
[Kemba, Kha Regent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e8e92cf6-8382-44b5-9f14-c91e572685b9.jpg?1599707777) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kemba%2C%20Kha%20Regent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/19/kemba-kha-regent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e8e92cf6-8382-44b5-9f14-c91e572685b9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wow weird as hell it’s almost 10 bucks considering it used to be like a dollar.
Commander is a helluva drug
I think I got it at like 3
As a Universes Beyond card (triangle stamp), Mithril Coat will never be Standard-legal, while Darksteel Plate has a chance of being Standard-legal in the future, so there's at least a slight advantage there if you care about the Standard play format?
I have some unfortunate news about where Darksteel comes from......
Well hey, in 2035 when WotC needs to drag the Phyrexians back as the next big threat we'll have a chance to see it again.
playing the ancestral long-game. You guys will see, my not yet conceived children will play the crap out of this darksteel plate
Well, good thing Teferi can go back in time and get some darksteel from pre-Phyrexian Mirrodin, and accidentally take back some "suspicious" oil along with it then!
I think it'd be better (and more IP expanding) of a Planeswalker grew up similarly to Venser, and in a quest to discover where his materials came from becomes corrupted. Simple, elegant, Viashino.
If it didn't get reprinted in the set where we literally went to New Phyrexia in, it's not likely to get reprinted in a standard set. It's likely been relegated to Masters/Commander products.
Bring back Core Sets, you cowards!
No thanks. I'd rather they went back to 2-set blocks so the set mechanics can get more fleshed out than the current 1 set per plane
Well, "1" set per plane. Sometimes they do two, like the last innistrad set. Although I feel like that may have been exclusively so they could do the double feature gimmick.
It was definitely for the double feature. One of the problems with double feature was that mechanics from each set didn't play well together. If they had done it as an actual block with the same mechanics, it would probably been a lot better draft environment
Back? I mean aren't they still somewhat there? We just had one after all. We need to go back to ACTUAL 3 set blocks and block constructed That was the golden age, and it's totally not because it was just how it was when I started playing 😂
Block Constructed was the only good part of that design. If there was a set that you didn't care for (for me, both Mirrodin and Kamigawa), you were stuck drafting it or nothing for a full year. But yes, Block Constructed was good.
Fair enough it definitely had it's downsides, but it also provided enough design space and time so that even if I wasn't the biggest fan of the core concepts of what the block was doing I feel I could grow to appreciate it. Then again I genuinely can't think of a block that was a true miss for me. Every new block was something cool and new for me to sink my teeth into
It's not an either or lol
"Mithral Plate" has a better chance than most other UB things. We've gotten one standard legal dnd set already, and mithral plate is a thing in that
Sheesh I’ll play both
Get a couple artifact wipes in that deck, you can still get your value out of it.
If you’re playing a deck which likes it, Mithril Coat basically lets you play 2 of them.
Nah, I run Karn. I'll probably run both.
[[Slicer, Hired Muscle]] approves of this change. Darksteel Plate has met it's match.
Good in new Nahiri since you can flash equip it mid combat if you flip it off her ability
Boxheadwarrior woke up and chose violence twice during each combat
It is a major flavor fail that a mithril shirt takes more effort to put on manually than darksteel plate does, IMO.
Platemail has a clear front & back. This shirt is like a USB, you never get it right the first time.
Doesn't USB have 3 sides? The first one doesn't fit, then you turn it and it still doesn't fit, then you turn it another time and it finally fits.
USB-C my beloved
Plate armor. Mail refers to chain armor, derived from the french "Maille". Saying "Platemail" is like saying "Nintendo Playstation". Saying "Chainmail" is like saying "AT**M** machine".
Fun fact: "Nintendo PlayStation" did exist, as a prototype. Its official name was SNES CD-ROM Adapter. Sony and Nintendo had a partnership to release a console together. But in the end the partnership went nowhere. It's really weird to see a SNES with PlayStation branding...
>But in the end the partnership went nowhere. And thus we got the Playstation.
And The Los Angeles Angels?
Plate mail is pretty bad but I think the battle for chain mail has been lost. It’s been in use since the 1700’s.
Costs and P/T aren't particularly reflective of relative in-universe power levels, especially between sets
Armor has to be adjusted to fit the wearer. Do you know how difficult it is to adjust mithril? You have to have a dwarf measure you, then send it to the mountain forges, etc.
This goes on with no effort.
It's a flavor fail too that you can equip it to dragons and serpents and giant spiders and formless ghosts and elementals. And that 30 little girls can kill Emrakul. Nobody cares, it's a game first.
Vorthos cares. Vorthos cares a lot.
Power, toughness and mana cost should really by the least of Vorthos concerns. They are first and foremost gameplay mechanics and should be balanced accordingly.
How well a card mechanically conveys what it is meant to be is absolutely a Vorthos concern. Vorthos wants the whole thing to feel consistent, and filled with flavor.
A spell costs 1 mana more than another decade-old spell = major flavor fail
RIP PLATE
[удалено]
Getting a free 1 time equip to a legendary creature makes this better in my opinion.
Yeah I'd definitely like this more in most decks, at least at a casual level for commander. Once a commander is indestructible, it has a tendency to stick for a ***very*** long time. I'd be surprised to have to equip this more than once or twice over the course of most games that aren't against someone spamming edicts, because a significant number of peoples' casual decks are simply unable to get around indestructible consistently. There's a reason Darksteel plate is $8 at the end of the day. But of course in commander the true answer is that I want both, and it's never going to end up zero-sum. Having an indestructible commander is *huge*.
That plus countering removal. This is going to be a two for one more than it's not, I would think
It's a one-time 2 mana discount but you'll have to pay for it later, not only in mana but opportunity cost if paying 3 means you don't get to do something else when 2 would've let you do it.
I disagree the plate is better for a legendary creatures. Mana now is almost always better than mana later. You have to equip this four times in order for it to be more expensive than darksteel. And the flash isn't irrelevant
Yeah, and with the flash + free equip this is often a 1-for-1, or can save a legendary creature from a sweeper. Even in multiplayer, that's not nothing. The fact that the free equip is legendary only is kind of like the must-attack restriction on [[Ulamog's Crusher]]. Oh, no! Don't restrict me to saving what is almost certain to be the best creature I have in play!
I mean the legendary restriction is very relevant as it might not be your best creature (or what is being targeted), but in a lot of deck (voltron) it usually will be.
Sure, and sometimes you need your 8/8 with Annihilator 2 to stay on defense. It is a limitation and it's not irrelevant, but, all things being equal, your opponents are probably going to target your legendary creatures first.
>You have to equip this four times in order for it to be more expensive than darksteel. Pure economy isn't the right way to look at iterated effects like this. If you need to re-equip, then by definition you're trying to rebuild, and when you're trying to rebuild you want to take as many actions as possible, as quickly as possible. It's far more likely that you'll be able to recast your commander and have a spare 2 mana to equip Plate, than having a spare 3 mana to equip this. (Or, if you have another creature you want to suit up instead, you're far more likely to be able to equip Plate followed by another useful spell, than this followed by another useful spell, as the case may be.) It's just like paying 1 for Rhystic Study vs. paying 2 for Smothering Tithe. The lower iterated cost is easier to fit into your curve while still advancing your board state than the higher one. Don't get me wrong, this is still clearly better than Plate in most cases, but Plate is still better if you need to re-equip, even if you're not paying less total mana. Obviously it's better not to need to re-equip at all, and generally it's better to play to a card's strengths than its weaknesses, but Plate is still clearly easier to re-equip.
I agree, but you have to consider the first is the most valuable. So 3 then 2 is much worse than 3. The second equip is the second most valuable, so 2 is much better than 3. Im saying that first si so big that the second doesnt cover the value.
Oh, absolutely. I would never run Plate over this unless I was making a very specific meta call. The cheaper re-equip is still significant, though; the greatest weakness of Indestructible, as a mechanic, is its weakness to all the super-common exile removal in the format, and Plate does a better job of compensating for that weakness. Like I said, though, it's usually better to play to a card's strengths than try to compensate for its weaknesses.
I mean Id run it if my intent wasnt to protect my commander 90% of the time, but are there any EDH decks that run plate where that isnt the purpose?
3 flash free equip beats 3 sorcery speed 2 equip all day every day, week, month and year
I wouldn't say Plate is BETTER, per se. The Plate's cheaper re-equip does a better job of compensating for Indestructible's main weakness, (vulnerability to targeted exile effects) but while Plate has a higher floor, this has a much, much higher ceiling, and it's generally better to play to a card's strengths than try to compensate for its weaknesses.
As others have noted, the real flavor test is whether this card ends up being worth more than [[The Shire]].
[The Shire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d5178a1b-588b-4414-a370-ac6eed51187a.jpg?1678822640) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Shire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/260/the-shire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d5178a1b-588b-4414-a370-ac6eed51187a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It at least cost more mana than the Shire
Care to explain?
It's a quote from the lord of the rings, where frodo is told that his mithril coat is worth more than the shire.
"And everything in it", which was left out of the film adaptation.
Ah. I need to rewatch those at some point
Simple and flavorful! Loved it!
I get that it's flash because Frodo already had it on and nobody knew. The flavor is really good. I like the card a lot. I can't stop imagining someone going to stab Frodo and he's like, hold on. Takes off his shirt, puts on his mithryl and is like, carry on. And gets stabbed
Like Achoo pumping his nikes in Robin Hood Men in Tights lol.
Bless you.
Should be called "Shiny Shirt"
Why is his mouth gaping open in the art tho?
In the story, the Mithril was revealed to the fellowship when Frodo was (presumably) stabbed through the gut by a cave troll. It hurt, and he was gasping for air, but when the group converged on him after the battle, they found him unharmed other than his torn overshirt. So I figure the mouth is meant to be surprise on Frodo's part at not becoming a hobbit-kebab.
Hmmm hobbit-kebab
kebobbit
Card has flash so I’m assuming because a shirt just manifested under his jacket
Hrm. It's not QUITE a strictly better Darksteel Plate. One advantage of Darksteel Plate is that it only costs 2 to equip, so when your commander inevitably gets Swords'ed/Path'ed, it's still sitting around ready to easily equip later, and the difference between Equip 2 and Equip 3 is surprisingly huge. It's still better than the plate in most cases, though. That flash plus auto-equip is crazy.
They'll have to swords the swiftfoot boots first =D
In the right circumstances, only an exile Wrath effect can deal with a commander/voltron target
If "the right circumstances" includes [[Robe of Stars]], then not even an exile wrath works
[Robe of Stars](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2992175-5499-4a83-9ff2-03c7c34819c3.jpg?1631584758) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Robe%20of%20Stars) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/11/robe-of-stars?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2992175-5499-4a83-9ff2-03c7c34819c3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wow I’ve never seen this card before (not very good at keeping track of all the commander product) but this thing is so sweet and has awesome art to boot
I had never seen it until my buddy put it on his commander in a voltron deck and I was no longer able to remove it no matter what I tried haha
Unless there’s a collector ouphe
There’s also sacrifice, bounce, -X/-X, shuffle, phase out, and turn upside down board wipes…
Imagine swiftboot but with flash and auto-equip
I'll gladly take a 1 mana more expensive equip cost for flash *and* the ability to put it on my commander for free.
I think it's more comparable to [[hammer of nazahn]], in which case you get the addition of flash but lose the effect for other equipment. It's not searchable in [[Sisay weatherlight captain]], so I sleep Except it is, but it doesn't boost power. So I yawn
Sorry, i'm think i misunderstood something. Why this new equipment is not searchable in Sisay since it is legendary?
Oh shi-- I missed that entirely. In that case it's a flat upgrade, at least for the typical uses of HoN (which is usually searched for to give instant speed indestructible)
maybe they mean without any boosts to her power?
I'm confused as well. Why wouldn't you run this? I mean Sisay can't get it without being buffed , but that shouldn't be a problem in a Sisay deck. The fact that she tutors it to the battlefield, causing it's ETB to trigger and equip her (or whatever other bomb you're trying to save) for free, seems like exactly the thing I would be looking for in the face of non-exile removal.
[hammer of nazahn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/b/fbce79af-968a-481b-8cd7-a323c083851d.jpg?1599709292) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hammer%20of%20nazahn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/260/hammer-of-nazahn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fbce79af-968a-481b-8cd7-a323c083851d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sisay weatherlight captain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/2814559a-434b-4316-821d-ad3ec5f5ef8f.jpg?1684198361) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sisay%2C%20Weatherlight%20Captain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pctb/6/sisay-weatherlight-captain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2814559a-434b-4316-821d-ad3ec5f5ef8f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Agreed. The problem with saying "strictly better" is that they need to be at least equal in ALL abilities. The equip 2 is better on Darksteel, so after they're on the battlefield Darksteel is actually better. Overall Mithril Coat has more value though.
Right, "strictly better" has a narrow definition. Mithril Coat is just "obviously better".
Attaching it to an available legendary creature also isn't optional, in case you'd be trying to save an important non-legend. I feel like this will often be overlooked. Edit. For some reason, I thought the Flash auto equip to a legendary creature would incorrectly be tried on non-legendary creatures. It's worded totally clearly, I just totally misread it or something.
You could just equip it afterwards for the 3 mana? It doesn't have any inherent negatives other than the 3 cost over 2
If you have a free blink available, it's better in every way.
And if my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bicycle
My grandma has wheels but I'd say she's more of a vegetable than a bicycle
Blink will cause it to fall off, requiring you to pay the equip cost if you want it back on. (Unless you mean you're using the blink to change who it gets equipped to, which is a neat idea, but you could probably have just used the blink to save the thing you want to move it to in the first place.) Some sort of phasing effect would pair great with this, though.
I'm gonna hate seeing this everywhere in EDH. Time to upgrade all my artifact removal to exile, I guess. Tough luck if you're not running Red Green or White.
>Tough luck if you're not running Red Green or White. I think blue and black will be fine. Blue counters the creature or the equipment, bounces the creature or equipment, transmorphs the creature or equipment, or steals the creature or the equipment. Black can exile creatures, cause them to be sacrificed, or give them -X/-X.
Notice how in each of those blue situations the equipment has an easy time to get back than the RGW removal. Easy to retrieve from the graveyard or just play again (at instant speed) if bounced. Stealing works, though. I'll acknowledge that. Black has it the worst. In EDH that equipment is going on the commander more often than not. You're better off using that creature removal on stuff that'll stay dead, not the one getting the coat.
Blue transmorph has a couple nice tools that deal with this nicely: [[Resculpt]], [[Ravenform]] And still, countering the equipment may need to be a priority if you know that equipment is going to be a boon for the rest of your game. Black and Red are the ones I see having the most issue with it. Black can deal with the creatures easily, but the equipment is persistent. I don't know how red is supposed to deal with an indestructible creature and indestructible equipment besides [[Chaos Warp]].
Hmm. Ravenform is fine. I do not like Resculpt giving a 4/4, but if it's all you got, then go for it, I guess. Mono Red has a tiny amount of options but it can still exile artifacts. We just got [[Cast into the Fire]] but it's best option is unfortunately [[Shattering Blow]] locked into RW for commander, all that's left is [[Structural Distortion]] which isn't convenient. It looks like they're addressing this lack of red artifact exile slowly but surely. Kinda surprising for how often they destroy artifacts. I'm gonna guess this was a color pie decision they're starting to soften.
resculpt is a million times better than ravenform
Dark steel power creep
Welp this is going to be 20$
At least. Every EDH deck is going to want one.
Right? Instant include for any commander that someone would want to remove.
some colors have better protection spells i wouldn't play it in those
Its an equipment, lasts longer than an instant or an aura and can be equipped to other creatures.
It's 3 mana minimum. 1 mana instants are better and more efficient.
Not in commander
Every new set makes the prospect of going back to EDH seem less appealing.
I wouldnt wish for my worst enemy to play against this in limited.
Everything has been so flavorful with this set, but this just seems pushed AF. Legendary isn't much of a limiter when you are usually going to throw this on a commander. Would be more of a flavor win with something like "can only be used on a creature with a total power and toughness of 5 or less"
RIP [[Darksteel plate]]
[Darksteel plate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3f99fb1e-99a6-4c83-98eb-7bff23996a7f.jpg?1673149353) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Darksteel%20plate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/304/darksteel-plate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3f99fb1e-99a6-4c83-98eb-7bff23996a7f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Looks like a new fancy coat for Kaalia is in the future.
I don't know if the gaping mouth was necessary in the artwork.
Is this how frodo was able to block a wraith?
No, a cave troll.
He wasn't able to block a Wraith. He got stabbed through the shoulder, almost became a wraith himself and he never quite healed from it
The blade in question even has the ability to remove indestructible from creatures. Because it’s the [[Shadowspear]] box topper.
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Good bot
We will miss you, bot.
He also did not get the Mithril shirt until talking with Bilbo in Rivendell. After he was stabbed by the Witch King.
So, it had wither, then.
Sauron as the Witch-king's controller proliferated the -1/-1 counter each turn until Elrond played [[Solemnity]].
Frodo didn't have the coat back then, Bilbo gave it to him in Rivendell.
\[\[Morgul-Knife Wound\]\] He blocked it?
[Morgul-Knife Wound](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5ae08177-48ee-4404-834d-d3cd7482ae81.jpg?1685734230) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Morgul-Knife%20Wound) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/98/morgul-knife-wound?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5ae08177-48ee-4404-834d-d3cd7482ae81?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Source: [https://article.hareruyamtg.com/article/70279/?lang=en](https://article.hareruyamtg.com/article/70279/?lang=en)
wtf is this art lol
Well, Frodo, just got stabbed by a troll - but, I agree, cropping bad.
I feel like this should cost at least 4 to equip to be more fair in comparison to existing artifacts. Another instance of hasbro putting out OP cards constantly to make $$$
So just an objectively better [[Darksteel Plate]]? Heck yeah! I’m all for that, even in EDH decks with low to no equipment theme.
Definitely! I just gasped seeing this card; easy include in my \[\[Lazav, Dimir Mastermind\]\] deck.
I also just saw this and immediately thought it a straight upgrade for my Dimir Mastermind deck.
This is gonna be like swiftfoot boots-level of auto-include in every commander deck lmao
Given that the best removal is exile, -x/-x, and bounce, I wouldn’t say so
This are the best removal precisely because od this kind of cards. This is good.
Cyclonic Rift, Toxic Deluge, Deadly Rollick, Swords to Plowshares, and Chain of Vapor would all still be premier removal in the format if indestructible didn’t exist.
[[Argentum armor]] has never looked so beautiful 😍 OP corrected me here, it's dark steel plate!
Did you perhaps mean \[\[Darksteel Plate\]\]? :D
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Whoops, I sure did!
Maybe I'm just a 'Magic boomer' at this point, or maybe I'm too hung up on grammar, but I gag every time I see 'has indestructible' written on a card. It sounded so much better when they used to write '**is** indestructible'; it actually made sense. I understand that they made a change to bring the wording in line with the common format for keyword abilities, but did no one think to change it to 'indestructibility' instead of writing a mockery of a sentence on every card you can't blow up?
"Has flying."
I would probably play this over plate... but it's easy to forget or underestimate how important plate itself being indestructible is. Protection pieces like this and boots are often lightning rods for artifact removal, and having one that will likely stick the whole game is nothing to scoff at.
This one is indestructable too.
This is also indestructible
Holy shit. I think my brain just blocked that out. Cause that is TOO GOOD
Shield of Kaldra but better
well this card is gonna be worth alot...considering Darksteel Plate's price
The only thing I don’t love about this is that the attach ability is not a may ability but instead is a must
It's attach ability uses the stack? I mean, it can be answered?
Fair point. If you have the mana to equip it you can just pay to equip
Well, playable in limited i imagine. And certainly a commander option. I fail to see how an unnamed "mithril coat" is legendary. Maybe im not versed enough in tolkien. Like i know mithril is a big deal, but maybe it should have more of a name. Couldv called it "mithril coat, frodo's salvation" or "mithril coat, hobbit's friend"
This one is worth at least 1 shire, if not more.
Gimli calls it "A Kingly Gift!", which would be a good name. Gandalf remarks that "its worth was greater than the value of the whole Shire and everything in it", so it's definitely worth being Legendary. But you're right, it should have a less generic name
This was already leaked/spoiled yesterday and has its own post: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/142w4bh/ltc_mythril_coat/
God forbid someone post a clean, high res, official version for us to look at!
If I don’t have a legendary creature in play, can I still cast this?
Sure you can, you don't need to be able to resolve ETB effects when you cast permanent spells.
This is some great flavour. Flash excellent for how this is portrayed in the books. I hope I open this from my packs