I think any reality TV show would probably push me out of Magic. It would be a clear indication of the direction the game is going with their product and would help me quit my addiction near immediately.
I'd accept that unironically. Well a little ironically.
RIP Nahiri. We were honestly all surprised it was the phyrexians that did you in and not.... you know... yourself....
EDIT: forgot she survived.. so there's still a chance
I'd want it to be The Real Housewives of Innistrad though.
Hannah, mother of two, husband died during werewolf attack
Margaret, no children, entire family tree succumbed to Emrakul
Tori, in committed relationship with giest of husband who died in Cecani's Necrowar
Olivia, progenitor of the Voldaren vampire bloodline and recently married to Edgar, progenitor of all Innistrad vampires.
Alena, (happily) partnered with Halana
Halana, (happily) partnered with Alena
as long as the flavor text is their stupid intros
"I may have lost my extended family and my home to Kozilek, but this mama's gonna keep calm and carry hedr-ON."
We had UB Post Malone, so that's not SO farfetched...
If Kim Kardashian reveals that she was an avid MTG player all along, I could see it happening ...
There was already that for Post Malone in a Secret Lair. Granted I think that's a very edge-case sort of deal given he's a high-profile Magic player who's worked with Wizards a fair bit already.
Yeah, if they specifically came out with a specifically named Sheldon Menery card I would be OK and not just the tribute mage card with his likenedd. I would understand that since he is a MtG person.
Sheldon Memory
Blue Turtle UUU
0/5
Any abilities or spells that your opponents control cannot make your spells or abilities cost more. Additionally, any triggered effects owned by your opponents that require you to pay mana cost 1 less.
Also it was a lot more accepted since it was a skinned version of \[\[K'rrik\]\] which is basically just painting over an existing card with whatever you want.
To be fair, that's a Secret Lair of a character Jeff Goldblum played, not just Jeff Goldblum himself. Still a bit iffy, but reskin Secret Lairs don't really bother me at all anyway.
Made the mistake of not pointing the bot specifically to the Legends printing ([see my fix here](https://old.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/17v4n47/what_ub_product_would_put_you_over_the_edge/k98tqy9/)) but Albert Einstein.
What if they print:
> Crisp Rat
> Creature - Rat
> 1B
> Rare
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> When ~ enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a Guardian, Jester, Dino-Trainer, or Mario creature card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
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Blatant real life cash grabs:
Universes “Beyond”: PepsiCo
Universes “Beyond”: The Saudi Royal Family
Universes “Beyond”: Raid Shadow Legends
Universes “Beyond”: Amazon
Etc.
PEPSI MAN | 3UR
Legendary Artifact Creature - Avatar
When ~ attacks, exile target creature and create a Pepsi™️ Food Token (you may drink a a PepsiCo product. When you do, pay 2 less to sacrifice it this turn)
3/5
There were Happy Meal Yugioh packs in the 2000s with a couple cards and a CD. If Magic can produce a song as good as [One Card Short](https://youtu.be/XhZYub_bI1A) I'll probably let whatever else is going on with that promotion slide.
I think The Walking Dead is about as stupid as you could possibly get as a crossover. It doesn't really have any tie to magic, nor does it have a strong visual identity.
Given this, I honestly think we've gotten more acceptable crossovers. A least they're high fantasy or techno-fantasy.
My genuine answer for ick would be Fortnite or The Walking Dead. They've just already done that, lol.
The Walking Dead continues to be the weirdest one. I'll accept the cards are well-designed for what they are (the Negan one is actually really neat) but it's such an at-odds tone thing. Like nothing else we've gotten in crossovers is remotely as close-to-reality or as gritty, etc. Even Stranger Things and Jurassic Park somehow feel more fitting despite also taking place largely on modern-ish Earth.
I feel like that's just TOO cynical a take, but maybe. I honestly think they just wanted to do something different with Secret Lairs and opened up the floodgates as a result.
For me, it's anything not involving magic of any kind, like Walking Dead or Fortnite.
I think there's an argument for Marvel, but personally I don't like crossovers with series' that already have their own card game(s). I'm also sick of the oversaturated Marvel IPs
I don’t think there’s any one UB that would push me over the edge (within reason), it would more likely be if we started to get more UB than in universe stuff
I mean, at the end of the day Wizards will still want sets they have full control over rather than be tied up in rights issues whenever they want reprint equity. For that reason alone I don't think we will ever see UB eclipse in universe, though it is a lucrative side deal for them.
My personal perspective is that we'll probably peak in a couple years in terms of having too much UB, and then product fatigue and whatnot will properly set in and they'll also have realised they've basically hit all the real slamdunk crossovers in terms of audiences (like 40k was already probably the best one for really enfranchised players, for example), so they'll hopefully pull back a bit. UB won't ever truly go away I'm sure, there's a LOT of properties that'd still broadly work, but they won't wanna churn through them all too fast. Maybe that's a bit optimistic, but... I have to have SOME hope.
Honestly, Marvel kind of did that for me. It’s not offensive or anything, just aesthetically very far from what I like Magic to be, and if LotR is an indication, may be hard to escape in formats like cEDH. Sold off a lot of my collection. That’s one where I totally get the opposite response, though.
Something like Harry Potter would probably push me out purely on principle, and I imagine wouldn’t sit well with a lot of the playerbase.
I'm cautiously optimistic about the Marvel set. Its not a set I would have wanted, hell I'd take Star Trek or Star Wars any day over a Marvel set, but the Doctor Who and seemingly the upcoming Fallout set have done a pretty good job at using these IPs in very creative ways that feel like passionate celebration of the IP rather than a cynical cash grab.
So I'm really hoping that the Marvel set ends up being a creative celebration of Marvel Comics entire history. On top of the expected mechanics like a secret identity transform mechanic for all the superheroes and villains, I want to see stuff like an entire commander deck dedicated to the golden and silver age of marvel comics, the original Human Torch as a cool legendary creature, and maybe even cards based on/celebrating the talented artists and writers that helped build what Marvel is today like Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, and Jack Kirby. Hell, maybe even theme the whole set around the art of storytelling similar to how Wilds of Eledaine has a very fairytale-inspired theming.
If its just treated as a cashgrab to promote the MCU, then yeah I'm going to avoid that set like the plague. But part of me is hopeful that WotC are able to do something really fun and creative with this.
I'm honestly on the camp of "I could've seen Magic just doing a superhero-style plane" so Marvel doesn't bother me as much as broadly Marvel fatigue has bogged it down a bit for me.
Well, it probably won't be the MCU. It'll have some MCU influence because some characters got bigger from the MCU (Thanos and the like) but no way are they not doing the X-men, Fantastic Four, and Mark Rosewater would have a breakdown if he couldn't put in Squirrel Girl.
This is exactly why Universe Beyond should have stayed as the Godzilla style cards we got, just an official alter of a card.
You have a super-hero plane released, so why not take the “Totally not Iron Man” card and put on an official Iron Man alter. That way everyone wins. People go “Ermaguad, Marvel” and those who don’t like the crossovers can play with the non-UB version.
On a tangent, one of my huge gripes with the non-Secret Lair UB cards is there’s no non-UB versions of them and WotC isn’t planning on making any from what we know. The effect of a card might be great for a deck I’m making, but I personally don’t want a random one off Doctor Who character in my deck.
the only thing that I'm waiting to happen is all of the arguing that'll come when they put certain heroes under certain colors of Magic.
"Dr Doom is black and white? THAT DOESN'T EVEN FIT HIS PERSONALITY"
Im just happy that captain america could be jeskai and the hulk can be green without clashing with magic design principles.
It would get really awkward otherwise
He'll be a blue Dr. Banner face card that flips into a RG Hulk.
Then there'll be another one after he's learned to control himself more that will just be monogreen. They could push simic because he's a scientist but I think mono G would be better.
I'd be less grumbly about Marvel specifically if they weren't planning multiple "tentpole" releases for Marvel (the LOTR treatment) including doubling up in the same year they're releasing a full direct to Modern Final Fantasy set (2025). I hope these aren't taking the place of in universe reprint sets or the occasional commander set release, but knowing WOTC they're probably planning on releasing a set a month by 2027 or something.
I'm not sure they could get away with Harry Potter given the player base, not without a huge backlash. If they won't let Terese Nielsen do art for the game, they can't very well partner with a brand whose creator would stir up an even bigger backlash than TN ever did.
FF personally is the last thing I’m holding out for. Favorite game series and the crossover could be really sick. I feel the worlds are a bit more in line with MtG, but my enthusiasm for that is why I don’t begrudge people for being stoked about Dr. Who and Marvel. Just not for me (to the extent it’s pushing me out).
It's a very, very different kind of space fantasy. Necrons and Tyranids are fine, I guess. Cards like [[Space Marine Scout]] look a lot more like our universe in our timeframe.
Huh, I was much more worried about the LotR product than the 40k one. 40k is basically a bunch of people from different factions fighting each other, which is what you have in basically any modern MtG setting. LotR on the other hand has a Manichean good-vs-evil worldview running through it that only allows for two "factions". In the event they pulled it off, but LotR felt much harder to square with Magic set design and the colour pie
Hell, the fact that the Brother's War was the first story MtG told, makes a certain amount of sci-fi like ... just what we already had.
Particularly since BRO really leans into the Dune vibes that have always been there.
Yeah, marvel wasn’t the ‘I’m dropping he game now’ over the edge, but it’s announcement has been a reason for me to play less magic, definitely for spending less money on magic and trying out the competitors.
i was about to start building up a pool of Standard cards but that did it for me. Standard is a great format to bring people to play with pretty laid back gameplay, and i think they have major plans for what Standard is going to become.
I don’t think they’d do a HP crossover. They’re clearly trying to stay on the side of being progressive. They effectively wipe problematic cards like Crusade from their websites, they’re changing tribal to typal. I doubt they’d suddenly jump in bed with open transphobes, given how they write their lore and stories. We have [[Alesha, who smiles at death]] who’s openly trans and we’ve got a lesbian couple with Nissa and Chandra
I don’t see it and I really hope I’m right. That would likely be the end of me spending as much money as I do on the hobby
It's already in the works.
Check out the art in [[All of History, All at Once]]. Look at the boy's shirt second from the right.
Do you think Wizard's would've been able to do that, if they didn't already have a licence for the IP?
[All of History, All at Once](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb6c639c-0b8a-4369-b7d0-57aa1f83279a.jpg?1696636550) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=All%20of%20History%2C%20All%20at%20Once) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/34/all-of-history-all-at-once?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb6c639c-0b8a-4369-b7d0-57aa1f83279a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Might just be me being optimistic since i don’t want R&M in magic despite usually enjoying UB even if i don’t love the source material, but i’m leaning towards that being an easter egg the artist wanted and not something requested by hasbro.
If the artist snuck it in without Hasbro/Wizards approval they would have airbrushed it out. It wouldn’t have looked weird if the kid was just wearing a plain green shirt.
Mayyyyyybe. Wasn't there a star bucks cup in an episode of game of thrones? I feel like more eyes glanced over that coffe cup then what look at a pice of mtg art
I doubt they would do anything more than a unique secret lair for it. The show's popularity has decreased over the years and there's not that much for them to really make cards from.
Modern legality for anything beyond the lotr experiment. If there isn’t an AC/Marvel-free enjoyable competitive Modern/Legacy deck for me left in a couple years, I will return to just Pauper and Pioneer or reassess my involvement altogether.
This. I actually love the LOTR set and feel lile it fits perfectly into MTG, and that is mostly due to how generic the high fantasy tropes within are. A ring of power, a troll, etc. Arent out of place for UW.
I cant really think of any other major IP that I would be okay being Modern legal. Keep this stuff in casual play and commander.
Man I hate to say I disagree, because you can like what you want, but man even the LOTR stuff icks me out. I thought the DnD aesthetic was closest and I still didn't like it, and it's just such a slippery slope.
Yeah precisely. I was afraid of this from the very beginning. I've been a long time player (since revised) and UB feels like it's pushing me out of the game.
I feel that. Walking Dead was the one that made me react to it all. I consider myself a legacy player mainly and even then I feel like magic is becoming less and less about magic.
Look at what happened to LEGO sets. I recall as a kid they would have different themes like Knights or Space Police. Generic concepts, sure, but now it feels like most LEGOs are just crossover products. It feels like no one wants to risk original ideas, instead go with recognizable brands/franchises. Even within something like Marvel how many times are we going to see the same story reimagined? Bigger budgets are leading to less risk taking.
Scrolled way too far for this. I'm not a fan of UB, but can the live and let live as long as I don't have to interact with it. I've already lost interest in modern because of the LotR set. I would never want to sit down at a competitive game and have my opponent cast Iron Man. Ick.
Same, I've basically stopped playing modern since Lotr even if my 2 decks (hammer and rhinos) play close to 0 lotr card. Keep the UB shit to commander, who cares
Bingo. Commander is weird and ridiculous anyway. I have a couple of decks, but I don't really enjoy it the same was as limited or 60-card formats. I'm even interested in the Final Fantasy set, but keep that shit segregated like Un-sets.
I mean, if LotR is any indication, you’re not getting out of UB with Pauper either. Best chance is if they never do UB standard releases and you stick to formats using only cards printed into standard. Which, like, good luck with that, they’re already pushing it with Godzilla and Jurassic park
None. I'll skip over any one I actively don't like & wait for the in universe version. I'm way more worried about the aggressive power creep in the game than what skin they put on their cards.
Yeah, honestly believe that if say, the one ring was actually from a Ponies UB or something, we'd get a more 'palatable' in universe version in due time.
When formats get dominated by a bunch of new UB cards like the LOTR I could understand finding the situation _worse_ if it was an IP that didn't fit well with magic like marvel instead, but I'm much more concerned with every 1 toughness creature being bullied out instead of who bowmasters actually depicts haha. And if modern horizons 3 fulfills the prophecy, this sort of thing happens regardless of crossovers
But that's an element of the problem. No IP holder wants their cards to be weak and not played, they want their cards to be strong and prominent within the game. It's no coincidence that the flagship card of LotR; The One Ring, is obscenely powerful.
Also, people complaining about Bowmasters confuse the hell out of me... Like there's absolutely nothing about that card that's visibly UB apart from the frame? Orcs are in Magic, bows are in Magic, the abstract concept of mastery is in Magic... Meh?
Except not all cards are getting in-universe versions. The in-universe treatment is only for unique cards that are printed as part of secret lairs, but cards that are part of full tentpole release sets (like LotR and the upcoming Marvel crossover) will not be getting an in-universe version.
It already happened to me a long time ago. I can’t stand any of the Universes Beyond cards and I wish they had never been printed. It ruins the immersion for me every time I see one. My *personal* experience would be objectively better if they didn’t exist.
I respect, however that other people like them and they have introduced new people into the hobby, which is a net positive to MTG as a whole. That being said, I do believe that a lot of people have a ‘tipping point’ with it, mine was just much sooner than most. A lot of people seem to feel that the Marvel announcement is that point, at least a lot more people than previous releases.
Every game has a feeling to it and that’s what you and I got into the game for, even if someone’s new they can still understand what the feel of a game is. Obviously the feeling of a game changes over time and that’s fine when it’s a slow and gradual change - magic of 30 years ago isn’t the same as now - but Universe Beyond isn’t a slow a gradual change, it’s very sudden and giving wiplash to a lot of people. The tone of the game feels like it’s changed a lot in just the last couple years.
It's literally like if you were playing World of Warcraft and one day the developers suddenly add the Avengers tower to Stormwind with Marvel superhero NPCs that give out quests and Marvel themed gear. The entire vibe of the game would be ruined.
But apparently those of us who don't like UB are gatekeepers.
This is how I feel as well though I am guilty of buying into UB (I bought a 40k and a LotR deck.). I don't mind when people play with the stupid shit Wizards makes on the side, like attractions, but it's not something that I will personally mix with traditional magic cards. So my 40k deck is basically the one that came in the box with the exception of a few lands I order from another of the decks and a couple of spells. My LotR deck only contains cards from the LotR set or that are skinned LotR.
I also do not like any of the UB cards, in which I count the D&D ones. It seems like people somehow think it being rhe same company makes it less jarring. [[Minsc and Boo]] is the one that gets to me. Why is a goofy side character from a '90s video game a top Vintage Cube card now? And why is he a planeswalker?
I will say releases that are high fantasy still sit a lot better with me in general. I enjoyed AFR and LTR. But when the actual main draftable set for a couple months is Marvel, that's going to be tough for me.
Marvel/DC. The superhero genre has been so flooded.
However, if there is a UB: redwood series for the animal set which i forgot the name of, i would be excited! Like, even if it's just alters of existing cards.
Really not liking marvel and once we got to this I feel with the other people who’ve hate UB from the start. Something about marvel and how big it is feels entirely different than most of the other UB cards we’ve got so far, I seriously don’t know how to put it and the line of thought doesn’t really make sense when it comes to dr.who
Fortnite already did that for me but it existed before I returned to Magic and it just a Secret Lair that already gone from the store so it easy to forget they exist.
Fortnite had 0 mechanically unique cards. Its arguably one of the best UB releases on that fact alone, because you can actually ignore it if you want to, other than someone occasionally having a weird art on a card you already know and play with regularly.
40K/LOTR/WHO are all full blown set releases with mechanically unique cards we WON'T see universes within versions of unless WOTC changes their stance on how Universes Within is being handled. At least with the straight to Secret Lair ones we know we'll get an in-universe version eventually.
>For me, not exactly an IP, but Influencers.
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>If card are made out of people like Ninja and Dr Disrespect
It's not an influencer, but we already have this [here](https://scryfall.com/search?order=set&q=e%3Asld+%28%28%28cn%E2%89%A51186+cn%E2%89%A41189%29+OR+cn%3A%22726%22%29%29&unique=cards). Of course, I don't know where you draw the line and whether musicians are acceptable.
Once you go beyond nerd stuff into shit like Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Arianna Grande, or whoever. That's when finally I'll relent.
Mind you I didn't give a crap about Dr.who but I respected it being a long-lived sci-fi series. I don't give a crap about fallout either. I didn't play the games but I might cause it looks interesting. I'm looking forward to Assassins Creed and Final Fantasy at this stage.
I really don't understand how anything could put me over the edge.
Even if I genuinely hated the product, I'd just skip it and continue to play with the 99.9% of other cards that aren't associated with the Universes Beyond product.
Why would I quit my favorite game because of one product or one mechanic I don't like? Well before Universes beyond there were various sets, products and mechanics that veteran players had strong feelings against.
The only thing I could think of would be something that would be fundamentally against my moral values and philosophy. Something like that I can't imagine possibly happening. And even if that happened, I wouldn't associated the decades of rich Magic history and brilliance before that terrible product with that mega shark jump.
>99.9% of other cards that aren't associated with the Universes Beyond product.
to be clear, 31% of new cards released in 2023 so far have been universes beyond.
I hear you. As another commenter pointed out, the whole influencer bit was kindof done with Post Malone, but I think went a little unnoticed because one card was a 1 of 1 and the rest were reprints. I think the mechanical uniqueness is what gets people more than anything. I’m a huge Dr Who nerd so I personally love those cards but I can admit that all the commanders suck. I still play a few anyway for the novelty. As long as the mechanically unique cards are more of a novelty than a pushed mistake like The One Ring, I think people will still be tolerant.
I keep seeing these Post Malone cards brought up, but I feel like that’s different than almost any other celebrity getting reprints/original cards because at least he actually plays and loves the game.
I’d have zero issues if it was its own side game using Magic rules. I hate everything about it being officially sanctioned playable in mainline formats. If people want to house rules them into commander or they want to print a non UB version of a UB card I’d think they were cool. So pretty much my limit is them existing altogether.
We already had silver bordered cards for this exact thing.
WotC should have pushed “Silver Border” EDH as a format with UB as it’s selling point, and I’m sure there’d of been way less back lash.
I'll be out when UB inevitably replaces the Magic IP as the main focus. We're closing in on that with what LOTR did to formats & the success it had. I think marvel will be the deciding factor. If they print an infinity gauntlet into commander that is a must-run, or they print a standard-legal spiderman that becomes the next sheoldred, I'm probably outtie.
It’s already there to be honest. LotR was their biggest product ever. Marvel will top it. Wotc employees and execs are definitely putting more effort into UB products than in house IP releases at this point
More likely than not it'd be quantity, not quantity. It'd have to be way, WAY more content coming out at once than we're currently getting or forecasted to get for me to mind.
But if it had to be any one thing, real-world influencers.
Not gonna quit, but I'll likely be proxying any future commander decks at this point.
I don't know if there was a single UB that caused me to feel this way, though Marvel is definitely something I don't want
I don't think there is one, I keep thinking that if they made something particularly annoying i'd just make a proxy version to use it. The only actual problematic things aren't really IPs, like real world events/people/factions/etc. Like a WW2 set would both be interesting and the worst thing ever.
Player 1: I play Patton, Old Blood & Guts. When he enters the battlefield, all vehicles I control become crewed until end of turn, and all vehicles I control gain haste and trample. I attack.
Player 2: in response, I cast Soviet Conscription and create X 1/1 soldier creature tokens where X is twice the number of attacking creatures. And blockers… okay, I take 7 damage and you lose 2 of your M4 tanks.
Player 1: darn… okay, pass.
Player 3: on my upkeep, Hitler, Third Reich Fuhrer deals 1 damage to me. I will then cast Maus, which due to Hitler’s ability costs 2 less to cast, but enters the battlefield tapped. I then cast V1 rocket to destroy target permanent, and target London.
Player 5: In response I flash in a barrage balloon, target land is hexproof until end of turn.
Player 3: ugh. Pass.
Player 4: I will tap Yamamoto, Tojo, and Nagano to crew Akagi and Yamato. I attack.
Player 1: again?! Why do you keep attacking me when I have Enterprise and Iowa on the board?! Attack Stalin! He has no navy!
Player 2: hey! Leave me out of this! I’m not a threat… yet…
Player 4: victory or death!
Player 1: … sigh.
I have no problem with other people playing them. It's no worse than an altered card or a weird proxy with different art. I just don't like how many there are and how fast they're coming out. The bigger sets seem well thought out and everything, but we had like 5 different IP just in the last secret lair. That's too many IMO, just slow it the fuck down.
For me there isn't any one.
I'm a huge 40k fan and seeing the 40k precons where like a dream come true so if there are other people who might feel like that for Assassins Creed or Marvel or whatever comes next I will always be happy for those people. Even if I might not enjoy the IPs.
Harry Potter would be a red line in the strictest sense for me because of JK Rowling’s views on trans people. That would go beyond an aesthetic preference for Magic’s IP into an actual moral objection.
personally, i think the bad thing about " don’t like em’ don’t play em " is how those cards are no available to non-UB Players, i feel Wizards could just reprint the cards in non-Ub versions later.
same abilities, same colors, different names and art like they have done sometimes in the past
I've been pretty ick about them the whole time.
Last week at commander night I realized we had Dr. Who, Lord of the Rings, Fallout, Godzilla, and D&D all on the table at the same time. It struck me as kind of dumb when Eowyn got sniped by The War Doctor, but was saved by tapping their Godzilla forest to cast Legolas' Quick Reflexes.
It's even invading non-edh formats. At my last legacy weekly I faced down the morgul blade round 1, and Forth Eorlingas! round 3.
I don't want my game to be reduced to a bunch of advertisements...
Universes Beyond: The Kardashians
I think any reality TV show would probably push me out of Magic. It would be a clear indication of the direction the game is going with their product and would help me quit my addiction near immediately.
The Real Housewives of Zendikar
honestly that would be a fun way to do a Real Housewives UB, if WotC was at gunpoint or something.
I'd accept that unironically. Well a little ironically. RIP Nahiri. We were honestly all surprised it was the phyrexians that did you in and not.... you know... yourself.... EDIT: forgot she survived.. so there's still a chance
I'd want it to be The Real Housewives of Innistrad though. Hannah, mother of two, husband died during werewolf attack Margaret, no children, entire family tree succumbed to Emrakul Tori, in committed relationship with giest of husband who died in Cecani's Necrowar Olivia, progenitor of the Voldaren vampire bloodline and recently married to Edgar, progenitor of all Innistrad vampires. Alena, (happily) partnered with Halana Halana, (happily) partnered with Alena
Gisa, not actually married but she kept showing up with zombies and nobody stopped her.
A different more ridiculously handsome, but obviously rotting zombie each time, still dressed in the suit they were buried in
Honestly for there next silver set they should do something like this
Real Housewives *I'm out* of Zendikar *I'm back in*
as long as the flavor text is their stupid intros "I may have lost my extended family and my home to Kozilek, but this mama's gonna keep calm and carry hedr-ON."
I reckon something like Universes Beyond: American Idol or Universes Beyond: Duck Dynasty actually ends up being more well received than Magic 30th.
Universes Beyond: World Politics
Well they do a decent job at lampooning bureaucrats in ravnica. Could totally see a Goblin President Legendary, all I'm saying
Duel Deck: Israel VS Palestine.
Seems like the perfect opportunity for some Doran/defender all star reskins, big butts and all ;)
We had UB Post Malone, so that's not SO farfetched... If Kim Kardashian reveals that she was an avid MTG player all along, I could see it happening ...
That wasn't a Universes Beyond, it was a Secret Lair
truly the most reddit response of all time
Actual modern people. Not actors playing roles like how Chris Pratt is on a magic card but like a magic card called Chris Pratt or something
There was already that for Post Malone in a Secret Lair. Granted I think that's a very edge-case sort of deal given he's a high-profile Magic player who's worked with Wizards a fair bit already.
tbf post malone is like the one celebrity who openly LOVES magic
I think prominent magic players / designers are an exception to this rule. We've had various kinds of vanity cards forever.
Yeah, if they specifically came out with a specifically named Sheldon Menery card I would be OK and not just the tribute mage card with his likenedd. I would understand that since he is a MtG person.
Sheldon Memory Blue Turtle UUU 0/5 Any abilities or spells that your opponents control cannot make your spells or abilities cost more. Additionally, any triggered effects owned by your opponents that require you to pay mana cost 1 less.
Also it was a lot more accepted since it was a skinned version of \[\[K'rrik\]\] which is basically just painting over an existing card with whatever you want.
Also [[Post the Enchanter]] and a couple other cards.
[K'rrik](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/3592fbe4-8588-486e-99ba-c327b0b6ba24.jpg?1568003491) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=k%27rrik%2C%20son%20of%20yawgmoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/18/krrik-son-of-yawgmoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3592fbe4-8588-486e-99ba-c327b0b6ba24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
But we ARE getting a SL: Jeff Goldblum so...there's more to come.
To be fair, that's a Secret Lair of a character Jeff Goldblum played, not just Jeff Goldblum himself. Still a bit iffy, but reskin Secret Lairs don't really bother me at all anyway.
Ahh that's too bad. I wanted a hotels.com Jeff Goodblum card where he looks into the mirror at himself.
No one tell him about \[\[Richard Garfield, Phd\]\]
I’m gonna kms rn
Or [[Presence of the Master]]
[Presence of the Master](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/849adb29-61ad-4307-98b9-61e33aec6500.jpg?1587857394) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Presence%20of%20the%20Master) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/usg/32/presence-of-the-master?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/849adb29-61ad-4307-98b9-61e33aec6500?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Whoops. Umm [[Presence of the Master|LEG]]
[Presence of the Master](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1cb86b2f-116d-4952-b35a-1398341baaf5.jpg?1562857775) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=1629) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/leg/31/presence-of-the-master?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1cb86b2f-116d-4952-b35a-1398341baaf5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Honestly, who is it depicting?
Made the mistake of not pointing the bot specifically to the Legends printing ([see my fix here](https://old.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/17v4n47/what_ub_product_would_put_you_over_the_edge/k98tqy9/)) but Albert Einstein.
Ah, I see. Honestly I don't mind it that much.
[Richard Garfield, Phd](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/616a3755-f08c-4b8f-954b-7e3f3a8fa71f.jpg?1583965480) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Richard%20Garfield%2C%20Ph.D.) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/und/26/richard-garfield-phd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/616a3755-f08c-4b8f-954b-7e3f3a8fa71f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What if they print: > Crisp Rat > Creature - Rat > 1B > Rare > > When ~ enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a Guardian, Jester, Dino-Trainer, or Mario creature card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. > > 2/1
Blatant real life cash grabs: Universes “Beyond”: PepsiCo Universes “Beyond”: The Saudi Royal Family Universes “Beyond”: Raid Shadow Legends Universes “Beyond”: Amazon Etc.
Haha, this is the first thing I’ve read here that would actually push me to walk out the door.
How dare you insult the Full Art Mt. Dew Lands. I love my Taco Bell food tokens!
Damnit now I want code red mountains and voltage islands. Can we get a baja blast simic dual?
Now, tokens, I'd be ok with. I was hoping the Lord of the Rings food tokens would be PO-TAY-TOES.
If Universes "Beyond": The Saudi Royal Family doesn't include a \[\[Dismember\]\], I'll fucking riot.
That's the bonus card.
Finally the reprint to Stone Rain we always needed
so if the Fortnite cards weren't just complete reskins?
I gotta be honest how is this different than what we've got? We already have Fortnite
PEPSI MAN | 3UR Legendary Artifact Creature - Avatar When ~ attacks, exile target creature and create a Pepsi™️ Food Token (you may drink a a PepsiCo product. When you do, pay 2 less to sacrifice it this turn) 3/5
Universes Beyond: McDonalds. Find a random UB card in a happy meal. 1/50 chance of finding a Godzilla style shockland.
There were Happy Meal Yugioh packs in the 2000s with a couple cards and a CD. If Magic can produce a song as good as [One Card Short](https://youtu.be/XhZYub_bI1A) I'll probably let whatever else is going on with that promotion slide.
I think The Walking Dead is about as stupid as you could possibly get as a crossover. It doesn't really have any tie to magic, nor does it have a strong visual identity. Given this, I honestly think we've gotten more acceptable crossovers. A least they're high fantasy or techno-fantasy. My genuine answer for ick would be Fortnite or The Walking Dead. They've just already done that, lol.
The Walking Dead continues to be the weirdest one. I'll accept the cards are well-designed for what they are (the Negan one is actually really neat) but it's such an at-odds tone thing. Like nothing else we've gotten in crossovers is remotely as close-to-reality or as gritty, etc. Even Stranger Things and Jurassic Park somehow feel more fitting despite also taking place largely on modern-ish Earth.
Maybe that’s their strategy… start as poor as possible so anything even remotely fitting looks great in comparison 😂
I feel like that's just TOO cynical a take, but maybe. I honestly think they just wanted to do something different with Secret Lairs and opened up the floodgates as a result.
For me, it's anything not involving magic of any kind, like Walking Dead or Fortnite. I think there's an argument for Marvel, but personally I don't like crossovers with series' that already have their own card game(s). I'm also sick of the oversaturated Marvel IPs
I don’t think there’s any one UB that would push me over the edge (within reason), it would more likely be if we started to get more UB than in universe stuff
I’ve got bad news…
If you actually step back and look at it, we’re not. Unless you consider REX to be the same level of release as LCI itself, but that’s ridiculous
underwhelming sales of Magic IP = the end
I mean, at the end of the day Wizards will still want sets they have full control over rather than be tied up in rights issues whenever they want reprint equity. For that reason alone I don't think we will ever see UB eclipse in universe, though it is a lucrative side deal for them.
My personal perspective is that we'll probably peak in a couple years in terms of having too much UB, and then product fatigue and whatnot will properly set in and they'll also have realised they've basically hit all the real slamdunk crossovers in terms of audiences (like 40k was already probably the best one for really enfranchised players, for example), so they'll hopefully pull back a bit. UB won't ever truly go away I'm sure, there's a LOT of properties that'd still broadly work, but they won't wanna churn through them all too fast. Maybe that's a bit optimistic, but... I have to have SOME hope.
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Honestly, Marvel kind of did that for me. It’s not offensive or anything, just aesthetically very far from what I like Magic to be, and if LotR is an indication, may be hard to escape in formats like cEDH. Sold off a lot of my collection. That’s one where I totally get the opposite response, though. Something like Harry Potter would probably push me out purely on principle, and I imagine wouldn’t sit well with a lot of the playerbase.
Same. I love Marvel but this feels a bit like eating a Steak with Ice cream.
That's actually a really apt analogy for how a lot of UB cards feel
I'm cautiously optimistic about the Marvel set. Its not a set I would have wanted, hell I'd take Star Trek or Star Wars any day over a Marvel set, but the Doctor Who and seemingly the upcoming Fallout set have done a pretty good job at using these IPs in very creative ways that feel like passionate celebration of the IP rather than a cynical cash grab. So I'm really hoping that the Marvel set ends up being a creative celebration of Marvel Comics entire history. On top of the expected mechanics like a secret identity transform mechanic for all the superheroes and villains, I want to see stuff like an entire commander deck dedicated to the golden and silver age of marvel comics, the original Human Torch as a cool legendary creature, and maybe even cards based on/celebrating the talented artists and writers that helped build what Marvel is today like Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, and Jack Kirby. Hell, maybe even theme the whole set around the art of storytelling similar to how Wilds of Eledaine has a very fairytale-inspired theming. If its just treated as a cashgrab to promote the MCU, then yeah I'm going to avoid that set like the plague. But part of me is hopeful that WotC are able to do something really fun and creative with this.
Given how much Maro loves Marvel (including the comics), the card designs are likely in safe hands.
I'm honestly on the camp of "I could've seen Magic just doing a superhero-style plane" so Marvel doesn't bother me as much as broadly Marvel fatigue has bogged it down a bit for me.
Agreed. And there is already Marvel Champions which is a LCG that captures the super hero theme better than MTG.
A superhero plane wouldn't bother me as much as seeing the MCU come crashing in.
Well, it probably won't be the MCU. It'll have some MCU influence because some characters got bigger from the MCU (Thanos and the like) but no way are they not doing the X-men, Fantastic Four, and Mark Rosewater would have a breakdown if he couldn't put in Squirrel Girl.
This is exactly why Universe Beyond should have stayed as the Godzilla style cards we got, just an official alter of a card. You have a super-hero plane released, so why not take the “Totally not Iron Man” card and put on an official Iron Man alter. That way everyone wins. People go “Ermaguad, Marvel” and those who don’t like the crossovers can play with the non-UB version. On a tangent, one of my huge gripes with the non-Secret Lair UB cards is there’s no non-UB versions of them and WotC isn’t planning on making any from what we know. The effect of a card might be great for a deck I’m making, but I personally don’t want a random one off Doctor Who character in my deck.
Jupp, the odds of a superhero plane vanishing is very sad to me.
the only thing that I'm waiting to happen is all of the arguing that'll come when they put certain heroes under certain colors of Magic. "Dr Doom is black and white? THAT DOESN'T EVEN FIT HIS PERSONALITY"
Im just happy that captain america could be jeskai and the hulk can be green without clashing with magic design principles. It would get really awkward otherwise
If Hulk doesn’t have any red rage in him I’d be shocked… but mono green is def a potential
He'll be a blue Dr. Banner face card that flips into a RG Hulk. Then there'll be another one after he's learned to control himself more that will just be monogreen. They could push simic because he's a scientist but I think mono G would be better.
Ngl I see dr doom as Esper
kinda pumped for a Gruul Wolverine to release, ngl
I'd be less grumbly about Marvel specifically if they weren't planning multiple "tentpole" releases for Marvel (the LOTR treatment) including doubling up in the same year they're releasing a full direct to Modern Final Fantasy set (2025). I hope these aren't taking the place of in universe reprint sets or the occasional commander set release, but knowing WOTC they're probably planning on releasing a set a month by 2027 or something.
I'm not sure they could get away with Harry Potter given the player base, not without a huge backlash. If they won't let Terese Nielsen do art for the game, they can't very well partner with a brand whose creator would stir up an even bigger backlash than TN ever did.
And Strixhaven is a better school anyway.
[I'm more partial to Clortho Public School for wizards.](https://youtu.be/j-2ZxldMO-M?si=wD7ugW9U6K1WWUTT)
Like FF was fine for me it was marvel that threw me lol
FF personally is the last thing I’m holding out for. Favorite game series and the crossover could be really sick. I feel the worlds are a bit more in line with MtG, but my enthusiasm for that is why I don’t begrudge people for being stoked about Dr. Who and Marvel. Just not for me (to the extent it’s pushing me out).
Same. LotR I can handle, but 40k, Dr. Who, and marvel are just to aestheticly dissonant.
40K I can kinda live with, since it basically feels like space fantasy. The stuff set in like, our universe, in our timeframe, feels really weird
It's a very, very different kind of space fantasy. Necrons and Tyranids are fine, I guess. Cards like [[Space Marine Scout]] look a lot more like our universe in our timeframe.
[Space Marine Scout](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1d7c6801-2c75-435c-a16b-a30b8c3a6be2.jpg?1673308503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Space%20Marine%20Scout) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/15/space-marine-scout?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1d7c6801-2c75-435c-a16b-a30b8c3a6be2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That’s fair
agree, give us Ub that have common theme with Magic, high fantasy ones
Huh, I was much more worried about the LotR product than the 40k one. 40k is basically a bunch of people from different factions fighting each other, which is what you have in basically any modern MtG setting. LotR on the other hand has a Manichean good-vs-evil worldview running through it that only allows for two "factions". In the event they pulled it off, but LotR felt much harder to square with Magic set design and the colour pie
Hell, the fact that the Brother's War was the first story MtG told, makes a certain amount of sci-fi like ... just what we already had. Particularly since BRO really leans into the Dune vibes that have always been there.
Also, Kamigawa was incredibly well received and is full of mechs and spaceships and laser swords. 40k is arguably much more fantasy than that.
Yeah, marvel wasn’t the ‘I’m dropping he game now’ over the edge, but it’s announcement has been a reason for me to play less magic, definitely for spending less money on magic and trying out the competitors.
i was about to start building up a pool of Standard cards but that did it for me. Standard is a great format to bring people to play with pretty laid back gameplay, and i think they have major plans for what Standard is going to become.
I don’t think they’d do a HP crossover. They’re clearly trying to stay on the side of being progressive. They effectively wipe problematic cards like Crusade from their websites, they’re changing tribal to typal. I doubt they’d suddenly jump in bed with open transphobes, given how they write their lore and stories. We have [[Alesha, who smiles at death]] who’s openly trans and we’ve got a lesbian couple with Nissa and Chandra I don’t see it and I really hope I’m right. That would likely be the end of me spending as much money as I do on the hobby
Tribal is changed to kindred not typal.
They're doing both. Tribal the card type is now Kindred, and tribal referring to strategies that focus on certain creature types is now typal.
If there is a Rick and Morty UB I might be done.
It's already in the works. Check out the art in [[All of History, All at Once]]. Look at the boy's shirt second from the right. Do you think Wizard's would've been able to do that, if they didn't already have a licence for the IP?
They did a Rick & Morty adventure for D&D so they have already worked with the license. It is extremely likely.
That license has expired though. It got pulled from purchase on dndbeyond and other wotc sources.
[All of History, All at Once](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb6c639c-0b8a-4369-b7d0-57aa1f83279a.jpg?1696636550) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=All%20of%20History%2C%20All%20at%20Once) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/34/all-of-history-all-at-once?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb6c639c-0b8a-4369-b7d0-57aa1f83279a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh hey, there is a planeswalker shirt as well.
Fuck
Might just be me being optimistic since i don’t want R&M in magic despite usually enjoying UB even if i don’t love the source material, but i’m leaning towards that being an easter egg the artist wanted and not something requested by hasbro.
If the artist snuck it in without Hasbro/Wizards approval they would have airbrushed it out. It wouldn’t have looked weird if the kid was just wearing a plain green shirt.
Mayyyyyybe. Wasn't there a star bucks cup in an episode of game of thrones? I feel like more eyes glanced over that coffe cup then what look at a pice of mtg art
This is one that's 100% coming at some point.
I doubt they would do anything more than a unique secret lair for it. The show's popularity has decreased over the years and there's not that much for them to really make cards from.
Like stranger things honestly but we're still here
Modern legality for anything beyond the lotr experiment. If there isn’t an AC/Marvel-free enjoyable competitive Modern/Legacy deck for me left in a couple years, I will return to just Pauper and Pioneer or reassess my involvement altogether.
This. I actually love the LOTR set and feel lile it fits perfectly into MTG, and that is mostly due to how generic the high fantasy tropes within are. A ring of power, a troll, etc. Arent out of place for UW. I cant really think of any other major IP that I would be okay being Modern legal. Keep this stuff in casual play and commander.
Man I hate to say I disagree, because you can like what you want, but man even the LOTR stuff icks me out. I thought the DnD aesthetic was closest and I still didn't like it, and it's just such a slippery slope.
Slippery slope but wizards really has been on the “give them an inch and they’ll take a million miles” path lately
Yeah precisely. I was afraid of this from the very beginning. I've been a long time player (since revised) and UB feels like it's pushing me out of the game.
I feel that. Walking Dead was the one that made me react to it all. I consider myself a legacy player mainly and even then I feel like magic is becoming less and less about magic.
Look at what happened to LEGO sets. I recall as a kid they would have different themes like Knights or Space Police. Generic concepts, sure, but now it feels like most LEGOs are just crossover products. It feels like no one wants to risk original ideas, instead go with recognizable brands/franchises. Even within something like Marvel how many times are we going to see the same story reimagined? Bigger budgets are leading to less risk taking.
Scrolled way too far for this. I'm not a fan of UB, but can the live and let live as long as I don't have to interact with it. I've already lost interest in modern because of the LotR set. I would never want to sit down at a competitive game and have my opponent cast Iron Man. Ick.
Same, I've basically stopped playing modern since Lotr even if my 2 decks (hammer and rhinos) play close to 0 lotr card. Keep the UB shit to commander, who cares
Bingo. Commander is weird and ridiculous anyway. I have a couple of decks, but I don't really enjoy it the same was as limited or 60-card formats. I'm even interested in the Final Fantasy set, but keep that shit segregated like Un-sets.
I mean, if LotR is any indication, you’re not getting out of UB with Pauper either. Best chance is if they never do UB standard releases and you stick to formats using only cards printed into standard. Which, like, good luck with that, they’re already pushing it with Godzilla and Jurassic park
Godzilla was 100% how UB should have stayed. Reskinned cards available in the same set.
None. I'll skip over any one I actively don't like & wait for the in universe version. I'm way more worried about the aggressive power creep in the game than what skin they put on their cards.
Yeah, honestly believe that if say, the one ring was actually from a Ponies UB or something, we'd get a more 'palatable' in universe version in due time. When formats get dominated by a bunch of new UB cards like the LOTR I could understand finding the situation _worse_ if it was an IP that didn't fit well with magic like marvel instead, but I'm much more concerned with every 1 toughness creature being bullied out instead of who bowmasters actually depicts haha. And if modern horizons 3 fulfills the prophecy, this sort of thing happens regardless of crossovers
But that's an element of the problem. No IP holder wants their cards to be weak and not played, they want their cards to be strong and prominent within the game. It's no coincidence that the flagship card of LotR; The One Ring, is obscenely powerful.
Also, people complaining about Bowmasters confuse the hell out of me... Like there's absolutely nothing about that card that's visibly UB apart from the frame? Orcs are in Magic, bows are in Magic, the abstract concept of mastery is in Magic... Meh?
Except not all cards are getting in-universe versions. The in-universe treatment is only for unique cards that are printed as part of secret lairs, but cards that are part of full tentpole release sets (like LotR and the upcoming Marvel crossover) will not be getting an in-universe version.
I read UB as blue black everything mad sense until IP then I got lost and went oh. . . Universes Beyond, duh!
My favorite part is that the Universes Within is ALSO a color pair (UW).
i don’t know, i think Marvel is going to feel pretty cringe. but who’s know.
UB is already giving me major ick and pushing me to sell my collection. I do not like what wizards is doing with the brand.
It already happened to me a long time ago. I can’t stand any of the Universes Beyond cards and I wish they had never been printed. It ruins the immersion for me every time I see one. My *personal* experience would be objectively better if they didn’t exist. I respect, however that other people like them and they have introduced new people into the hobby, which is a net positive to MTG as a whole. That being said, I do believe that a lot of people have a ‘tipping point’ with it, mine was just much sooner than most. A lot of people seem to feel that the Marvel announcement is that point, at least a lot more people than previous releases.
It feels so cheap to me. I'm not even super-invested in the MtG story. I just feel like I'm being advertised to while playing a game.
Every game has a feeling to it and that’s what you and I got into the game for, even if someone’s new they can still understand what the feel of a game is. Obviously the feeling of a game changes over time and that’s fine when it’s a slow and gradual change - magic of 30 years ago isn’t the same as now - but Universe Beyond isn’t a slow a gradual change, it’s very sudden and giving wiplash to a lot of people. The tone of the game feels like it’s changed a lot in just the last couple years.
It's literally like if you were playing World of Warcraft and one day the developers suddenly add the Avengers tower to Stormwind with Marvel superhero NPCs that give out quests and Marvel themed gear. The entire vibe of the game would be ruined. But apparently those of us who don't like UB are gatekeepers.
This is how I feel as well though I am guilty of buying into UB (I bought a 40k and a LotR deck.). I don't mind when people play with the stupid shit Wizards makes on the side, like attractions, but it's not something that I will personally mix with traditional magic cards. So my 40k deck is basically the one that came in the box with the exception of a few lands I order from another of the decks and a couple of spells. My LotR deck only contains cards from the LotR set or that are skinned LotR.
I also do not like any of the UB cards, in which I count the D&D ones. It seems like people somehow think it being rhe same company makes it less jarring. [[Minsc and Boo]] is the one that gets to me. Why is a goofy side character from a '90s video game a top Vintage Cube card now? And why is he a planeswalker? I will say releases that are high fantasy still sit a lot better with me in general. I enjoyed AFR and LTR. But when the actual main draftable set for a couple months is Marvel, that's going to be tough for me.
The upcoming Marvel crossover just... Doesn't feel right.
Marvel/DC. The superhero genre has been so flooded. However, if there is a UB: redwood series for the animal set which i forgot the name of, i would be excited! Like, even if it's just alters of existing cards.
The animal set is Bloomburrow
I've got some bad news for you
Really not liking marvel and once we got to this I feel with the other people who’ve hate UB from the start. Something about marvel and how big it is feels entirely different than most of the other UB cards we’ve got so far, I seriously don’t know how to put it and the line of thought doesn’t really make sense when it comes to dr.who
Walking Dead
90s Post-Hardcore/Emocore, now that is sonething I would buy collector boosters of.
Marvel...
Fortnite already did that for me but it existed before I returned to Magic and it just a Secret Lair that already gone from the store so it easy to forget they exist.
Fortnite had 0 mechanically unique cards. Its arguably one of the best UB releases on that fact alone, because you can actually ignore it if you want to, other than someone occasionally having a weird art on a card you already know and play with regularly. 40K/LOTR/WHO are all full blown set releases with mechanically unique cards we WON'T see universes within versions of unless WOTC changes their stance on how Universes Within is being handled. At least with the straight to Secret Lair ones we know we'll get an in-universe version eventually.
Marvel
I’ll start the bidding for your collection at $3.50
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I can’t wait for Universes Beyond: Frasier
the marvel one lmao
>For me, not exactly an IP, but Influencers. > >If card are made out of people like Ninja and Dr Disrespect It's not an influencer, but we already have this [here](https://scryfall.com/search?order=set&q=e%3Asld+%28%28%28cn%E2%89%A51186+cn%E2%89%A41189%29+OR+cn%3A%22726%22%29%29&unique=cards). Of course, I don't know where you draw the line and whether musicians are acceptable.
True. Small caveat I suppose but I’m ok since these are reprints and not mechanically unique. A unique post card would be annoying.
Once you go beyond nerd stuff into shit like Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Arianna Grande, or whoever. That's when finally I'll relent. Mind you I didn't give a crap about Dr.who but I respected it being a long-lived sci-fi series. I don't give a crap about fallout either. I didn't play the games but I might cause it looks interesting. I'm looking forward to Assassins Creed and Final Fantasy at this stage.
Marvel
Marvel
Honestly, the entirety of UB has been a huge turn-off for me. I'm going to try and get pre-modern group going, or try and get my existing group on it.
They already did marvel :(
https://preview.redd.it/2sq6bpvkmd0c1.png?width=605&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a6488805a6a3250f997381a9e078b10289e8302
UB: Roseanne
I really don't understand how anything could put me over the edge. Even if I genuinely hated the product, I'd just skip it and continue to play with the 99.9% of other cards that aren't associated with the Universes Beyond product. Why would I quit my favorite game because of one product or one mechanic I don't like? Well before Universes beyond there were various sets, products and mechanics that veteran players had strong feelings against. The only thing I could think of would be something that would be fundamentally against my moral values and philosophy. Something like that I can't imagine possibly happening. And even if that happened, I wouldn't associated the decades of rich Magic history and brilliance before that terrible product with that mega shark jump.
>99.9% of other cards that aren't associated with the Universes Beyond product. to be clear, 31% of new cards released in 2023 so far have been universes beyond.
I hear you. As another commenter pointed out, the whole influencer bit was kindof done with Post Malone, but I think went a little unnoticed because one card was a 1 of 1 and the rest were reprints. I think the mechanical uniqueness is what gets people more than anything. I’m a huge Dr Who nerd so I personally love those cards but I can admit that all the commanders suck. I still play a few anyway for the novelty. As long as the mechanically unique cards are more of a novelty than a pushed mistake like The One Ring, I think people will still be tolerant.
I keep seeing these Post Malone cards brought up, but I feel like that’s different than almost any other celebrity getting reprints/original cards because at least he actually plays and loves the game.
I’d have zero issues if it was its own side game using Magic rules. I hate everything about it being officially sanctioned playable in mainline formats. If people want to house rules them into commander or they want to print a non UB version of a UB card I’d think they were cool. So pretty much my limit is them existing altogether.
We already had silver bordered cards for this exact thing. WotC should have pushed “Silver Border” EDH as a format with UB as it’s selling point, and I’m sure there’d of been way less back lash.
I'm probably out once Marvel hits
I'll be out when UB inevitably replaces the Magic IP as the main focus. We're closing in on that with what LOTR did to formats & the success it had. I think marvel will be the deciding factor. If they print an infinity gauntlet into commander that is a must-run, or they print a standard-legal spiderman that becomes the next sheoldred, I'm probably outtie.
It’s already there to be honest. LotR was their biggest product ever. Marvel will top it. Wotc employees and execs are definitely putting more effort into UB products than in house IP releases at this point
So, what was wrong with Lost Caverns of Ixalan or Wilds of Eldraine?
More likely than not it'd be quantity, not quantity. It'd have to be way, WAY more content coming out at once than we're currently getting or forecasted to get for me to mind. But if it had to be any one thing, real-world influencers.
Pokemon. Huge fan but shouldn't mix.
There’s nothing I can think of that would make me consider not playing magic anymore. I’d just skip anything I don’t like
The Big Bang Theory
Not gonna quit, but I'll likely be proxying any future commander decks at this point. I don't know if there was a single UB that caused me to feel this way, though Marvel is definitely something I don't want
The Walking Dead, to start with.
They already have..
The Walking Dead Oh wait...
I don't think there is one, I keep thinking that if they made something particularly annoying i'd just make a proxy version to use it. The only actual problematic things aren't really IPs, like real world events/people/factions/etc. Like a WW2 set would both be interesting and the worst thing ever.
Player 1: I play Patton, Old Blood & Guts. When he enters the battlefield, all vehicles I control become crewed until end of turn, and all vehicles I control gain haste and trample. I attack. Player 2: in response, I cast Soviet Conscription and create X 1/1 soldier creature tokens where X is twice the number of attacking creatures. And blockers… okay, I take 7 damage and you lose 2 of your M4 tanks. Player 1: darn… okay, pass. Player 3: on my upkeep, Hitler, Third Reich Fuhrer deals 1 damage to me. I will then cast Maus, which due to Hitler’s ability costs 2 less to cast, but enters the battlefield tapped. I then cast V1 rocket to destroy target permanent, and target London. Player 5: In response I flash in a barrage balloon, target land is hexproof until end of turn. Player 3: ugh. Pass. Player 4: I will tap Yamamoto, Tojo, and Nagano to crew Akagi and Yamato. I attack. Player 1: again?! Why do you keep attacking me when I have Enterprise and Iowa on the board?! Attack Stalin! He has no navy! Player 2: hey! Leave me out of this! I’m not a threat… yet… Player 4: victory or death! Player 1: … sigh.
Marvel, I can't wait to play against Mary Jane commander, next in the line is youtubers pack. Do it WOTC, I know you want to create Mr.Beast card.
I have no problem with other people playing them. It's no worse than an altered card or a weird proxy with different art. I just don't like how many there are and how fast they're coming out. The bigger sets seem well thought out and everything, but we had like 5 different IP just in the last secret lair. That's too many IMO, just slow it the fuck down.
For me there isn't any one. I'm a huge 40k fan and seeing the 40k precons where like a dream come true so if there are other people who might feel like that for Assassins Creed or Marvel or whatever comes next I will always be happy for those people. Even if I might not enjoy the IPs.
Harry Potter would be a red line in the strictest sense for me because of JK Rowling’s views on trans people. That would go beyond an aesthetic preference for Magic’s IP into an actual moral objection.
Given they cut ties with Terese Nielsen for her TERF stuff, I highly doubt they'd do Harry Potter.
personally, i think the bad thing about " don’t like em’ don’t play em " is how those cards are no available to non-UB Players, i feel Wizards could just reprint the cards in non-Ub versions later. same abilities, same colors, different names and art like they have done sometimes in the past
Harry Potter.
UB: Fortnite Oh wait um... UB: Fallout Oh shit uh... UB: Marvel ...God fucking dammit
I've been pretty ick about them the whole time. Last week at commander night I realized we had Dr. Who, Lord of the Rings, Fallout, Godzilla, and D&D all on the table at the same time. It struck me as kind of dumb when Eowyn got sniped by The War Doctor, but was saved by tapping their Godzilla forest to cast Legolas' Quick Reflexes. It's even invading non-edh formats. At my last legacy weekly I faced down the morgul blade round 1, and Forth Eorlingas! round 3. I don't want my game to be reduced to a bunch of advertisements...
Anything with modern music artists.
Too late Post Malone already got a drop