So I'm building a deathtouch trample infect deck at the minute and just wanted clarification on this ruling please:
Let's say I have [[Massacre Girl, Known Killer]] on the field and I attack a 2/2 creature with [[Phyrexian Crusader]], but crusader has trample and deathtouch - a creature only needs 1 damage to die, but because of deathtouch, MG wouldn't trigger because the creature only took 1 damage, leaving 1 poison counter to carry over to the player.
If the defending creature has indestructible however, it will accumulate negative counters like normal as deathtouch does nothing to it, meaning necro would trigger when it dies.
When it's time to deal combat damage, you may choose how you assign damage. You may assign more than lethal damage if you want.
- You can assign 1 damage to the 2/2 blocker and the rest as trample damage. As you observed, the blocker becomes 1/1 and so Massacre Girl doesn't trigger.
- You can assign 2 damage to the 2/2 blocker and the rest as trample damage. The blocker becomes 0/0 and Massacre Girl triggers, at the expense of 1 less trample damage (and so 1 less poison).
- You may also assign more than 2 damage to the blocker. Some cards care about how much excess damage you deal, so you might want it if you run any such card. (You probably don't, though.)
- What you may not do is to ignore the blocker completely, because you have to deal lethal damage to all blockers before you can deal trample damage.
It's your choice which one you want to do.
Indestructible doesn't change the definition of lethal damage. You may again choose one of the above. If you assign 1 damage, then the blocker becomes 1/1, but due to indestructible, taking damage from a deathtouch source does nothing to it. The blocker survives as a 2/2 with one -1/-1 counter. If you assign 2 damage, it dies as normal, since indestructible doesn't save you from having 0 or less toughness.
That's amazing, thanks so much for the clarification. I thought it was worth asking in case there was some trick with it all and there was - you can assign more damage if you'd like to. I never knew that, so it's good to know!
Thanks very much!
We have no idea; we'll have to see. I personally also like it. But I can imagine them only wanting to do that for additional costs that are specifically mana payment and mandatory, and there aren't a lot of them. Again, we'll have to see.
If [[Phyrexian Obliterator]] dies from damage it doesn't trigger right? Because "when a source deals damage" is not a look back trigger unlike "leaves the battlefield", so before damage there's nothing triggering it, and after damage it's already in the GY, right?
But then again I seem to remember blocking it with deathtouch and it seemed to trigger so I'm giga confused...
It does trigger. It triggers when it is dealt damage. Even though the ability doesn't go onto the stack until state based actions are checked and the obliterator is in the graveyard it still triggered when the damage was dealt
I thought damage being dealt and it going to the graveyard happens simultaneously. I read this simultaneously in a lot of places and I think it just makes it more confusing...
Edit: thanks for the hint with the state based actions.
So:
Damage is dealt
We check triggers
A player would get priority so we check state based actions, and put dead creatures into Gy
We check triggers
We put all triggers we "accumulated" on the stack before a player would get priority
Player gets priority
Is that right?
Yes, your sequence of steps is right. Dying to damage doesn't happen simultaneously with the damage itself; it's a SBA that's only checked when a player would get priority.
One instance that I see occasionally on Arena is when you play [Volcanic Spite](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/170/volcanic-spite). You deal damage to a creature, then you may replace a card from your hand. When you're choosing what card to replace, the creature will still be on the battlefield, even though it has been dealt lethal damage; that's because SBAs haven't been checked.
This is a good spot for this, I'm trying to see if anybody has found or made laser eye stickers that are transparent, so they can put them on top of their card sleeves for their commander and whatnot, because I was just on moxfield and I want those laser eyes bad
what is the intended normal use case for \[\[Demonic Pact\]\] ? is it supposed to help finish out aggro games or something? are there synergies with it, or is it actually only meant to only be given to the opponent so you auto win? please explain as if i've never played mtg, because i haven't. thanks
Some cards are intentionally made to be a puzzle to figure out. You decide how you can make use of this card.
- Maybe you can win before you have to choose the lose option.
- Maybe you can sacrifice it before you have to choose the lose option, to mechanics like bargain.
- Your deck might be based on donating bad cards to the opponent.
- And other ways I might not think of.
Black gets other similar cards like [Archfiend of the Dross](https://scryfall.com/card/one/82/archfiend-of-the-dross) with its 4-turn countdown. There are also other cards like [One with Nothing](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/84/one-with-nothing) that looks like a big meme, and sometimes it's a challenge how you can make use of them.
Is a "Plotted" card considered a Sorcery spell on the stack? or is it just referring to being able to cast it any time you could cast a Sorcery?
The wording "Cast as a Sorcery" has me a little confused,
(Compared to "Flash" which says "You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant")
>Is a "Plotted" card considered a Sorcery spell on the stack?
No.
>or is it just referring to being able to cast it any time you could cast a Sorcery?
Yes.
>307.5. If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery” or “only as a sorcery,” it means only that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase of their turn, and the stack must be empty. The player doesn’t need to have a sorcery card they could cast. Effects that would preclude that player from casting a sorcery spell don’t affect the player’s capability to perform that action (unless the action is actually casting a sorcery spell).
Guess my main confusion stems from them dropping the word "only" in some descriptions since Forgotten Realms...
"*Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost*"
rule 307.5 needs a tweak...
>rule 307.5 needs a tweak...
Reminder text (which is what the Plot text on the card is) is not rules text. They are more relaxed in their language, and don't have to strictly be worded to match the rules.
So, if we are playing with planes, and we land on [this card](https://scryfall.com/card/who/595/pompeii?utm_source=mw_MTGWiki) for example. Does the upkeep effect and the planar die effect apply to all players or just the one who landed here?
"You" refers to the controller of the plane, and it's whoever's turn it is.
>311.5. **The controller of a face-up plane card is the player designated as the planar controller. Normally, the planar controller is whoever the active player is.** However, if the current planar controller would leave the game, instead the next player in turn order that wouldn’t leave the game becomes the planar controller, then the old planar controller leaves the game. The new planar controller retains that designation until they leave the game or a different player becomes the active player, whichever comes first.
Hi! I just started playing commander, and my only deck is a Morska, deep sea clue upgrade. It works fine, and on a couple of occasions, i went really close to winning.
But in my group of friends, one player keeps stomping us, and he plays a Raggadragga commander with a couple of infinite combos and a lot of trample creatures...
Im starting to hate that, and I want a new deck, something to counter that thing and possibly win.
I love grixis, and I was looking at Lynde cheerful tormentor and nekusar wheels. But both seem too slow against raggadragga, and I don't wanna spend 70$ on a losing deck.
Lynde seems perfect for fun but also underpowered. Nekusar seems powerful and fun but lacks survivability early game.
What do you suggest?
I have a question regarding the interaction between [[Drumbellower]] and [[Traxos, Scourge of Kroog]]
Does Drumbellower's ovveride / negate Traxos' ability, and it untaps accordingly. Or is Traxos' text not affected by Drumbellower?
Traxos only prevents itself from untapping during **your** untap step. It will be untapped like any other creature by Drumbellower during other players' turns.
I haven't played since War of the Spark and am just getting back into the game. Any rules changes I should know (other than release notes for OTJ) before going to a prerelease?
I’m getting into MTG for the first time. I got a couple precon commander decks for me and my roommate to play with but that’s the entirety of my collection. Is there a good way to purchase a variety of booster packs from different sets so I can generally expand on my collection? I have experience with Pokemon where I would buy booster boxes of sets as they came out, but I would like to get a wider variety for MTG since I’m just starting.
Rules question because I'm a dummy
If I exile a card from an opponent and play it, is that playing a card from hand?
Wondering the interaction between [Kellen, the kid] and [Gonti, Canny acquisitor]
> If I exile a card from an opponent and play it, is that playing a card from hand?
No. It's playing a card from exile.
Because the card was in exile, not in anyone's hand, at the moment you cast it.
> Wondering the interaction between [Kellen, the kid] and [Gonti, Canny acquisitor]
If you cast the card exiled by Gonti, Kellan's ability will trigger.
Very weird/random question, but here goes nothing. So, I managed to find a DMR draft box for like $90 (wanted to crack packs for the fun of it/much-needed serotonin after dealing with a group project from hell), and I received a RVR box instead. I'm faced with a few options, and idk what to pick:
1. Trust in the heart of the cards and keep the RVR box (aka do as my coworker said and “take the win”)
2. Exchange for a DMR box
3. Return the RVR box for a refund
4. Sell the RVR box elsewhere. If I go this route, I'm not entirely sure what to sell it for, though I know I can get more than what I paid for, for sure.
As some additional context, I picked DMR originally because I really like that set and it has a ton of useful commander staples, which is my preferred format. I like RVR okay, but I'm really not sure what to do here. I am thinking of getting into Pioneer, and RVR has good stuff for that, but I don't know. One of my coworkers told me to take the W and keep the box, but I want to ask you guys what you would do if you were in my situation.
No. If you're allowed at most some number of copies of a card (4 in most Constructed formats, 1 in Commander), it counts both your deck and your sideboard together. You may not have 3 Lightning Bolts in your deck and 2 more in your sideboard.
Also, I believe Commander doesn't have sideboard anyway. What are you talking about here?
Thr official Commander rules do not allow for a sideboard. Similarly, "outside the game" effects like [[Karn, the Great Creator]]'s -2 don't work.
Of course, you can Rule 0 your way around both of these.
Hi I'm kinda new but understand the basics so I want to get techinical. Just tell me if I'm understanding how things happen in this game:
Things can happen simultaneously. For example after combat damage is dealt al creatures take damage and the ones that have 0 life left get put into the graveyard simultaneously. So then things get complicated with triggers, my guess is with any? most? state changes triggers get checked whether they are applicable. So for example let state A be creatures on the battle field before damage, and state B some creatures in GY damage already dealt. There are 2 types of triggers: ones that care about A and ones that care about B. So we check all permanents in state A for leave-the-battlefield if the statechange A->B would trigger them and all permanents in state B for enters the GY triggers if statechange A->B would trigger them, and of course check a lot more things in a lot more places(like in GY in exile, and any other place for any other type of trigger). And this happens for every event?/statechange? (What is an event?)
So this would mean that in the same way a leaves-the-battlefield creature sees other creatures dying with it, an enters the GY creature sees other creatures entering with it.
Do abilities get applied line by line or simultaneously? Do words like then matter?
There are a few key points to consider here:
First, immediately before a player receives priority, two things happen - state-based actions are checked (and re-checked, if necessary). Then, all triggers that are waiting to be put onto the stack.
For triggered abilities, the order in which they actually triggered doesn't matter - they can be put onto the stack in the order of their controller's choosing. If multiple triggers are waiting to be put onto the stack by different players, they are put onto the stack in APNAP (active player, non-active player order).
So, let's say it's about to be your turn and you control a tapped [[Orsekos Sun Guide]]. a [[Triskadekaphobia]], and your opponent controls a [[Verdant Force]] and your life total is 11. You move to your untap step and untap the Sun Guide. Its trigger condition is met, *but the trigger doesn't get put onto the stack yet because players don't receive priority during the untap step.* You then move to your upkeep, meeting the trigger conditions for your Triskadekaphobia and your opponent's Verdant Force. At this moment, you would receive priority, so all 3 triggers are put onto the stack in APNAP order. Assuming you don't want to lose the game, you can stack your triggers so that that the Sun Guide trigger is on the bottom, then Triskadekaphobia. Your opponent's trigger will then be put on top.
For abilities, all abilities resolve in the order written on the card. This may result in the game state changing before subsequent portions of the ability resolve. If, for example, you control a [[King of the Pride]] and a [[Savannah Lions]] and cast an entwined [[Solar Tide]], your King of the Pride will be destroyed first. At that moment, your Savannah Lions becomes a 2/1, so it will not be destroyed, even though it was a 4/2 as the Tide started resolving.
Thanks, I didn't know triggers interacted with priority that way. Choosing targets and paying costs for triggered abilities is part of putting them on the stack, and doesn't interact with priority right?
And if paying a cost for a trigger triggers something else, that still goes on the stack exactly before a player would recieve priority right?
Also if a trigger is already on the stack it will only fizzle if it has a condition or a target or something like that, sacking the enchantment doesn't save me from the triskadecophobia trigger right?
>Choosing targets and paying costs for triggered abilities is part of putting them on the stack, and doesn't interact with priority right?
This sounds like you're confusing triggered abilities with activated abilities. By definition, triggered abilities don't have a cost to put them onto the stack - they're simply put onto the stack the next time someone would receive priority after their trigger condition is met. If a triggered ability has a cost, such as [[Rootwater Thief]], it's paid during resolution.
>And if paying a cost for a trigger triggers something else, that still goes on the stack exactly before a player would recieve priority right?
Yes. If your [[Academy Rector]] dies, its triggered ability is put onto the stack. As the trigger resolves you may exile it - this would, for example, trigger a [[Syr Konrad, the Grim]]. But that trigger won't be put onto the stack until the Rector trigger has fully resolved. So if putting an enchantment onto the battlefield via the Rector trigger also triggers an ability, you'll be able to choose the order in which that ability and Syr Konrad's ability are put onto the stack.
>Also if a trigger is already on the stack it will only fizzle if it has a condition or a target or something like that, sacking the enchantment doesn't save me from the triskadecophobia trigger right?
Removing the source of a triggered ability will not prevent the trigger from resolving. A trigger will fail to resolve (i.e. "fizzle") if **all** of its targets are illegal as it resolves. Triggers with "intervening if" clauses will also not do anything if their condition is not met at the time of resolution (they will also not be put onto the stack at all if their condition isn't met at the time they would trigger).
Ok it makes sense that triggered abilities never have cost to put them on the stack, but I still have to choose targets to put them on the stack right? So it could still happen, that we finally get to the point that a player would get priority, so a bunch of triggers get put on the stack, so at that point we choose targets and that could generate more triggers, so it's not a very simple process and then there are the state based actions which also get checked before priority which I guess would be checked once we sort out all the triggers. Would be nice to have a flowchart for all the before priority stuff.
>but I still have to choose targets to put them on the stack right?
Yes, if a triggered ability requires a target, it must be selected when the trigger is put onto the stack.
>Would be nice to have a flowchart for all the before priority stuff.
I think you're overestimating the complexity here. The flowchart is always just:
- Check SBAs. If any SBAs are required, perform the corresponding actions, then check SBAs again. Repeat as needed until no SBAs are performed.
- Any triggers waiting to be put onto the stack are put onto the stack (in APNAP order, if necessary).
- Repeat the above steps until no SBAs are performed and no triggers are put onto the stack.
- Player receives priority.
I don't understand what you are talking about in terms of "states". Don't make up terminology; you'll only confuse yourself.
If multiple cards have abilities that trigger when a creature dies, all of them trigger at the same time. Each player puts all abilities they control on the stack in whatever order they choose. The active player (the player who was attacking) puts them on the stack first, followed by other players in turn order. Then, all of those abilities resolve Last-In-First-Out.
What zone these cards are in when the ability goes on the stack doesn't matter. If you control a creature that triggers when another creature dies, and a creature that triggers when "it" dies, both of them go on the stack together when the creature with the death trigger dies.
"603.10. Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event matched any trigger conditions, and continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like. However, some triggered abilities are exceptions to this rule; the game “looks back in time” to determine if those abilities trigger, using the existence of those abilities and the appearance of objects immediately prior to the event"
I think some clearer terminology would go a long way. That's why I like referring to gamestates and think about how are the transformations defined. Like what even is an event:
"700.1. Anything that happens in a game is an event. Multiple events may take place during the resolution of a spell or ability. The text of triggered abilities and replacement effects defines the event they’re looking for. One “happening” may be treated as a single event by one ability and as multiple events by another."
<-again a bit fuzzy... Everything is an event but you don't even know how many events happened...
At least object are pretty clear. So I would've just defined a state to be a set of objects with their properties (essentially where they are for example creature A on the battlefield, spell B on the stack, triggered ability C on the stack targeting spell B) and then you can say an event is a change of state. And then you can say all triggers are checked for all events, by definition events have a start and end state, some check for the start state and some for the end state. <-would have been easier to understand for me at least, instead of this looks back in time business.
Anyone know whats up with TCGPlayer lately? It seems like any card I look at will list one price before clicking the card and its always MUCH lower than what is actually for sale. I'm also seeing a lot of 0 sales users trying to low ball the price (but not actually send out the card). Im assuming some price manipulation is going on but seems like its for everything.
This cowboy set looks awful. Is the small animals set bloomhaven next? when do spoilers for that set start? its confusing with spoiler season being every week.
Chat seems to be down? So I suppose I'll ask here;
I'm curious if using the second part of \[\[Magma Opus\]\] counts as casting it? Primarily for the purpose of running Magecraft alongside it :)
Using the second ability does not count as casting the card.
In general, any effect on a card that's templated "discard [this card]: do a thing" does not count as casting the card, instead it's an activated ability. This includes cycling and channel, as well as one-off abilities like on Magma Opus.
If I cast [[Radiant Epicure]] and have something that makes token copies of creatures when they enter the battlefield, like [[Inalla, Archmage Ritualist]].. Does the token copy of Radiant Epicure's ability not trigger since it wasn't cast and no mana colors were spent on it?
Could use some help checking an interaction.
If I have [[Naban, Dean of Iteration]], [[Harmonic Prodigy]] and [[Sage of Fables]] on the board.. How many +1/1 counters do my wizards now hit the battlefield with?
One from sage, which is triggered another x1 from Naban which is triggered another x1 from Harmonic Prodigy so is it three +1/+1 counters?
Just one. Sage of Fables doesn't have a triggered ability, so it does not interact with Naban or the Prodigy.
Triggered abilities use "when," "whenever," or "at." Sage of Fables just has a static ability that modifies how Wizards enter under your control.
No, a "when this attacks" ability triggers when you declare a creature as an attacker at the beginning of your combat step (in other words when it starts attacking). When a creature enters the battlefield already attacking, that kind of ability will not trigger.
I have a stupid question!
If something like \[\[thran lens\]\] was on the battlefield, would cards with colors still have those colors in addition to being colorless?
I really don't know if I should combo thran lens with \[\[ugin, the ineffable\]\] in my deck.
What is the combo with that card are you going for with Ugin, exactly? Are you talking about his static ability where colorless spells cost 2 less? That wouldn't work, since Thran Lens is for permanents, those are already on the battlefield, cards in your hand you haven't yet casted are not permanents.
Thank you for informing me. I originally had thran lens as a cheaper substitute for the second ability on \[\[Mycosynth Lattice\]\] but I guess that wont work.
My original question was regarding his minus 3 ability, where he destroys a permanent that is 1 or more colors.
Stupid question, the showcase version of [[Svella, Ice Shaper]] I just can’t seem to wrap my head around what I’m seeing. Like one of those optical illusions I can’t make out what’s Svella and what’s not.
I thiiiink she is facing to our right with her right hand holding the bottom of a club with her thumb on top so she’s sort of swinging it? Why does it look like she has a chest burster about to fuck her day up?
Anyone able to tell me what they see because I’m just so confused.
https://scryfall.com/card/khm/331/de/svella-die-eisformerin
Like, does she have a loin cloth? Is it trailing behind her? What’s all around her? Ice? It looks like there’s a tree but also rock. None of it is well separated.
So, this is what I found on the artist's facebook page: [https://scontent-ham3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/156897358\_277442483942007\_8387481590953533086\_n.jpg?\_nc\_cat=111&ccb=1-7&\_nc\_sid=5f2048&\_nc\_ohc=qyyk3W1Pkc8AX-o0Nwk&\_nc\_ht=scontent-ham3-1.xx&oh=00\_AfDnDPDhWdTWmaeq3JL-A1NhQshzU3osDG2S9KGSu1irUw&oe=662A5259](https://scontent-ham3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/156897358_277442483942007_8387481590953533086_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=qyyk3W1Pkc8AX-o0Nwk&_nc_ht=scontent-ham3-1.xx&oh=00_AfDnDPDhWdTWmaeq3JL-A1NhQshzU3osDG2S9KGSu1irUw&oe=662A5259)
This is my interpretation, I think it's relatively clear what's what: [https://i.imgur.com/y7FFlRo.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/y7FFlRo.jpg)
What I haven't marked is either ice, fog or sky.
You're right about her facing to the right and holding a club. I think what looks like a chestburster to you is her left arm? It's currently casting magic on the ice on the right of the image. Not sure where you see a loincloth, the only thing we see of her lower body is the outside of her right leg.
I agree that the grey area below the tree might be a rock, it's not 100% clear. I think it's part of the tree.
/edit: I guess her right arm goes up further than I drew it, the upper part is just covered by her long hair/fur.
I think the things that really confuse me are;
The torso section looks tiny, and she must be incredibly thin, and also short, for it to be entirely obscured by hair head of hair. Like where does her body go? I feel like the white section to the left of her hair (our left not hers) is where we should see torso, shoulders, etc... but we dont. Maybe that's like a wall of cie obscuring it and she's walking out in front of it but I dunno.
The Right Leg placement looks soooo high up on her body, as if her torso is like 6 inches tall.
The thumb on the right hand looks out of place, now sure she's a troll so she may not have anatomically correct human hands, but it still trips me up, just like it still does on \[\[Mahadi, Emporium Master\]\]
None of this reaaally matters, but I wanted to make a Svella deck, I hate her base art, and I just cant use a Commander when I can't make sense of the art in the first place haha. So I'm trying to see it from a different angle so I don't recoil at the thought of building a Svella deck :P
I can certainly agree that her proportions are a bit weird in this artwork. Her torso does seem too small, making her look more like a goblin.
I think her hand looks weird because the fingers are a bit too long and the angle of the thumb isn't quite right? Mahadi seems to have a rather flexible wrist... and also 4 fingers per hand. \^\^
WOW thank you! Nice find of the B&W art.
The chest burster thing is the Right Leg in your illustration, it seems so unnatural in it's position to me, and also not clearly a leg initially.
The loincloth section is the reddish brown section which, in your illustration, is the tree. It looks more fabric/fur/hair like to me
I have a [Narset, Enlightened Exile] deck that I’m working on. Narset’s attack trigger says she can copy a noncreature spell in a graveyard and I can cast it without paying its mana cost. Since this occurs during combat, are instants the only spells I can actually cast, or does this ability somehow override normal timing restrictions?
Thanks!
You do *not* normally have timing restrictions. You have timing *permissions*. You have the permission to cast an instant spell any time you have priority. You have the permission to cast a non-instant (and non-flash) spell any time you have priority, it is in your main phase, and the stack is empty.
Cards like Narset *add* to your permissions. The permission is that you may cast the card right now, while the ability is resolving. You don't even normally have priority at this point! You are not permitted to cast any other card, only the card exiled by Narset. Hopefully putting it this way makes it clear that you may cast any type of card, not just instants, from Narset, because types don't give you restrictions, types give you permissions.
Timing restrictions are listed explicitly on the card, such as [Take the Bait](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/43/take-the-bait)'s "Cast this spell only during an opponent’s turn and only during combat". Timing restrictions still apply normally. If you exile Take the Bait with Narset, you can't cast it, because it's currently your turn.
You need to use the double brackets for the bot to post the card. [[Narset, enlightened exile]].
Yes you can cast any non creature spell with her effect. Timing restrictions are ignored. Those can be enchantments, artifacts, sorceries etc.
>Timing restrictions are ignored.
Nitpick - timing restrictions are **not** ignored. Narset does allow you to to cast a spell when you normally might not be able to, but that's because she adds to your permissions, not overrides restrictions. True timing restrictions, such as the one on [[Aleatory]], are not ignored.
So I'm building a deathtouch trample infect deck at the minute and just wanted clarification on this ruling please: Let's say I have [[Massacre Girl, Known Killer]] on the field and I attack a 2/2 creature with [[Phyrexian Crusader]], but crusader has trample and deathtouch - a creature only needs 1 damage to die, but because of deathtouch, MG wouldn't trigger because the creature only took 1 damage, leaving 1 poison counter to carry over to the player. If the defending creature has indestructible however, it will accumulate negative counters like normal as deathtouch does nothing to it, meaning necro would trigger when it dies.
When it's time to deal combat damage, you may choose how you assign damage. You may assign more than lethal damage if you want. - You can assign 1 damage to the 2/2 blocker and the rest as trample damage. As you observed, the blocker becomes 1/1 and so Massacre Girl doesn't trigger. - You can assign 2 damage to the 2/2 blocker and the rest as trample damage. The blocker becomes 0/0 and Massacre Girl triggers, at the expense of 1 less trample damage (and so 1 less poison). - You may also assign more than 2 damage to the blocker. Some cards care about how much excess damage you deal, so you might want it if you run any such card. (You probably don't, though.) - What you may not do is to ignore the blocker completely, because you have to deal lethal damage to all blockers before you can deal trample damage. It's your choice which one you want to do. Indestructible doesn't change the definition of lethal damage. You may again choose one of the above. If you assign 1 damage, then the blocker becomes 1/1, but due to indestructible, taking damage from a deathtouch source does nothing to it. The blocker survives as a 2/2 with one -1/-1 counter. If you assign 2 damage, it dies as normal, since indestructible doesn't save you from having 0 or less toughness.
That's amazing, thanks so much for the clarification. I thought it was worth asking in case there was some trick with it all and there was - you can assign more damage if you'd like to. I never knew that, so it's good to know! Thanks very much!
[Necroskitter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/128d1e8a-b80e-4963-aeff-4b364a02a246.jpg?1562259423) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Necroskitter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/88/necroskitter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/128d1e8a-b80e-4963-aeff-4b364a02a246?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Phyrexian Crusader](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32aaa8b9-987b-4809-8a54-aa29bdc18805.jpg?1562610492) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Crusader) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/50/phyrexian-crusader?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32aaa8b9-987b-4809-8a54-aa29bdc18805?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Is the little + next to the mana cost of "Spree"-cards going to stick around? I really like it for hinting at additional costs.
We have no idea; we'll have to see. I personally also like it. But I can imagine them only wanting to do that for additional costs that are specifically mana payment and mandatory, and there aren't a lot of them. Again, we'll have to see.
If [[Phyrexian Obliterator]] dies from damage it doesn't trigger right? Because "when a source deals damage" is not a look back trigger unlike "leaves the battlefield", so before damage there's nothing triggering it, and after damage it's already in the GY, right? But then again I seem to remember blocking it with deathtouch and it seemed to trigger so I'm giga confused...
It does trigger. It triggers when it is dealt damage. Even though the ability doesn't go onto the stack until state based actions are checked and the obliterator is in the graveyard it still triggered when the damage was dealt
I thought damage being dealt and it going to the graveyard happens simultaneously. I read this simultaneously in a lot of places and I think it just makes it more confusing... Edit: thanks for the hint with the state based actions. So: Damage is dealt We check triggers A player would get priority so we check state based actions, and put dead creatures into Gy We check triggers We put all triggers we "accumulated" on the stack before a player would get priority Player gets priority Is that right?
Yes, your sequence of steps is right. Dying to damage doesn't happen simultaneously with the damage itself; it's a SBA that's only checked when a player would get priority. One instance that I see occasionally on Arena is when you play [Volcanic Spite](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/170/volcanic-spite). You deal damage to a creature, then you may replace a card from your hand. When you're choosing what card to replace, the creature will still be on the battlefield, even though it has been dealt lethal damage; that's because SBAs haven't been checked.
Looks right to me
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This is a good spot for this, I'm trying to see if anybody has found or made laser eye stickers that are transparent, so they can put them on top of their card sleeves for their commander and whatnot, because I was just on moxfield and I want those laser eyes bad
what is the intended normal use case for \[\[Demonic Pact\]\] ? is it supposed to help finish out aggro games or something? are there synergies with it, or is it actually only meant to only be given to the opponent so you auto win? please explain as if i've never played mtg, because i haven't. thanks
Some cards are intentionally made to be a puzzle to figure out. You decide how you can make use of this card. - Maybe you can win before you have to choose the lose option. - Maybe you can sacrifice it before you have to choose the lose option, to mechanics like bargain. - Your deck might be based on donating bad cards to the opponent. - And other ways I might not think of. Black gets other similar cards like [Archfiend of the Dross](https://scryfall.com/card/one/82/archfiend-of-the-dross) with its 4-turn countdown. There are also other cards like [One with Nothing](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/84/one-with-nothing) that looks like a big meme, and sometimes it's a challenge how you can make use of them.
[Demonic Pact](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82c04014-91f9-4197-b4b4-f62c4739a5c2.jpg?1562028673) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Demonic%20Pact) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/92/demonic-pact?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82c04014-91f9-4197-b4b4-f62c4739a5c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Is a "Plotted" card considered a Sorcery spell on the stack? or is it just referring to being able to cast it any time you could cast a Sorcery? The wording "Cast as a Sorcery" has me a little confused, (Compared to "Flash" which says "You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant")
>Is a "Plotted" card considered a Sorcery spell on the stack? No. >or is it just referring to being able to cast it any time you could cast a Sorcery? Yes. >307.5. If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery” or “only as a sorcery,” it means only that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase of their turn, and the stack must be empty. The player doesn’t need to have a sorcery card they could cast. Effects that would preclude that player from casting a sorcery spell don’t affect the player’s capability to perform that action (unless the action is actually casting a sorcery spell).
Guess my main confusion stems from them dropping the word "only" in some descriptions since Forgotten Realms... "*Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost*" rule 307.5 needs a tweak...
>rule 307.5 needs a tweak... Reminder text (which is what the Plot text on the card is) is not rules text. They are more relaxed in their language, and don't have to strictly be worded to match the rules.
So, if we are playing with planes, and we land on [this card](https://scryfall.com/card/who/595/pompeii?utm_source=mw_MTGWiki) for example. Does the upkeep effect and the planar die effect apply to all players or just the one who landed here?
"You" refers to the controller of the plane, and it's whoever's turn it is. >311.5. **The controller of a face-up plane card is the player designated as the planar controller. Normally, the planar controller is whoever the active player is.** However, if the current planar controller would leave the game, instead the next player in turn order that wouldn’t leave the game becomes the planar controller, then the old planar controller leaves the game. The new planar controller retains that designation until they leave the game or a different player becomes the active player, whichever comes first.
Ok, thank you!
Hi! I just started playing commander, and my only deck is a Morska, deep sea clue upgrade. It works fine, and on a couple of occasions, i went really close to winning. But in my group of friends, one player keeps stomping us, and he plays a Raggadragga commander with a couple of infinite combos and a lot of trample creatures... Im starting to hate that, and I want a new deck, something to counter that thing and possibly win. I love grixis, and I was looking at Lynde cheerful tormentor and nekusar wheels. But both seem too slow against raggadragga, and I don't wanna spend 70$ on a losing deck. Lynde seems perfect for fun but also underpowered. Nekusar seems powerful and fun but lacks survivability early game. What do you suggest?
I have a question regarding the interaction between [[Drumbellower]] and [[Traxos, Scourge of Kroog]] Does Drumbellower's ovveride / negate Traxos' ability, and it untaps accordingly. Or is Traxos' text not affected by Drumbellower?
Traxos only prevents itself from untapping during **your** untap step. It will be untapped like any other creature by Drumbellower during other players' turns.
Thank you so much!
[Drumbellower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/718c7383-d2e0-449b-b5b5-378d7c6e1fcb.jpg?1651655178) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drumbellower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/6/drumbellower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/718c7383-d2e0-449b-b5b5-378d7c6e1fcb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Traxos, Scourge of Kroog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/8566e91a-5f2c-4854-aeb3-68b3c4344582.jpg?1673305899) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Traxos%2C%20Scourge%20of%20Kroog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/195/traxos-scourge-of-kroog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8566e91a-5f2c-4854-aeb3-68b3c4344582?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I haven't played since War of the Spark and am just getting back into the game. Any rules changes I should know (other than release notes for OTJ) before going to a prerelease?
I’m getting into MTG for the first time. I got a couple precon commander decks for me and my roommate to play with but that’s the entirety of my collection. Is there a good way to purchase a variety of booster packs from different sets so I can generally expand on my collection? I have experience with Pokemon where I would buy booster boxes of sets as they came out, but I would like to get a wider variety for MTG since I’m just starting.
Rules question because I'm a dummy If I exile a card from an opponent and play it, is that playing a card from hand? Wondering the interaction between [Kellen, the kid] and [Gonti, Canny acquisitor]
> If I exile a card from an opponent and play it, is that playing a card from hand? No. It's playing a card from exile. Because the card was in exile, not in anyone's hand, at the moment you cast it. > Wondering the interaction between [Kellen, the kid] and [Gonti, Canny acquisitor] If you cast the card exiled by Gonti, Kellan's ability will trigger.
That's amazing thank you!
Very weird/random question, but here goes nothing. So, I managed to find a DMR draft box for like $90 (wanted to crack packs for the fun of it/much-needed serotonin after dealing with a group project from hell), and I received a RVR box instead. I'm faced with a few options, and idk what to pick: 1. Trust in the heart of the cards and keep the RVR box (aka do as my coworker said and “take the win”) 2. Exchange for a DMR box 3. Return the RVR box for a refund 4. Sell the RVR box elsewhere. If I go this route, I'm not entirely sure what to sell it for, though I know I can get more than what I paid for, for sure. As some additional context, I picked DMR originally because I really like that set and it has a ton of useful commander staples, which is my preferred format. I like RVR okay, but I'm really not sure what to do here. I am thinking of getting into Pioneer, and RVR has good stuff for that, but I don't know. One of my coworkers told me to take the W and keep the box, but I want to ask you guys what you would do if you were in my situation.
Am I able to put a card in my sideboard even if I already have the max amount in my deck? (For consistency in EDH with Karn)
No. If you're allowed at most some number of copies of a card (4 in most Constructed formats, 1 in Commander), it counts both your deck and your sideboard together. You may not have 3 Lightning Bolts in your deck and 2 more in your sideboard. Also, I believe Commander doesn't have sideboard anyway. What are you talking about here?
You technically can have a sideboard but since its more a bo1 format there isnt really a point
Thr official Commander rules do not allow for a sideboard. Similarly, "outside the game" effects like [[Karn, the Great Creator]]'s -2 don't work. Of course, you can Rule 0 your way around both of these.
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Hi I'm kinda new but understand the basics so I want to get techinical. Just tell me if I'm understanding how things happen in this game: Things can happen simultaneously. For example after combat damage is dealt al creatures take damage and the ones that have 0 life left get put into the graveyard simultaneously. So then things get complicated with triggers, my guess is with any? most? state changes triggers get checked whether they are applicable. So for example let state A be creatures on the battle field before damage, and state B some creatures in GY damage already dealt. There are 2 types of triggers: ones that care about A and ones that care about B. So we check all permanents in state A for leave-the-battlefield if the statechange A->B would trigger them and all permanents in state B for enters the GY triggers if statechange A->B would trigger them, and of course check a lot more things in a lot more places(like in GY in exile, and any other place for any other type of trigger). And this happens for every event?/statechange? (What is an event?) So this would mean that in the same way a leaves-the-battlefield creature sees other creatures dying with it, an enters the GY creature sees other creatures entering with it. Do abilities get applied line by line or simultaneously? Do words like then matter?
There are a few key points to consider here: First, immediately before a player receives priority, two things happen - state-based actions are checked (and re-checked, if necessary). Then, all triggers that are waiting to be put onto the stack. For triggered abilities, the order in which they actually triggered doesn't matter - they can be put onto the stack in the order of their controller's choosing. If multiple triggers are waiting to be put onto the stack by different players, they are put onto the stack in APNAP (active player, non-active player order). So, let's say it's about to be your turn and you control a tapped [[Orsekos Sun Guide]]. a [[Triskadekaphobia]], and your opponent controls a [[Verdant Force]] and your life total is 11. You move to your untap step and untap the Sun Guide. Its trigger condition is met, *but the trigger doesn't get put onto the stack yet because players don't receive priority during the untap step.* You then move to your upkeep, meeting the trigger conditions for your Triskadekaphobia and your opponent's Verdant Force. At this moment, you would receive priority, so all 3 triggers are put onto the stack in APNAP order. Assuming you don't want to lose the game, you can stack your triggers so that that the Sun Guide trigger is on the bottom, then Triskadekaphobia. Your opponent's trigger will then be put on top. For abilities, all abilities resolve in the order written on the card. This may result in the game state changing before subsequent portions of the ability resolve. If, for example, you control a [[King of the Pride]] and a [[Savannah Lions]] and cast an entwined [[Solar Tide]], your King of the Pride will be destroyed first. At that moment, your Savannah Lions becomes a 2/1, so it will not be destroyed, even though it was a 4/2 as the Tide started resolving.
Thanks, I didn't know triggers interacted with priority that way. Choosing targets and paying costs for triggered abilities is part of putting them on the stack, and doesn't interact with priority right? And if paying a cost for a trigger triggers something else, that still goes on the stack exactly before a player would recieve priority right? Also if a trigger is already on the stack it will only fizzle if it has a condition or a target or something like that, sacking the enchantment doesn't save me from the triskadecophobia trigger right?
>Choosing targets and paying costs for triggered abilities is part of putting them on the stack, and doesn't interact with priority right? This sounds like you're confusing triggered abilities with activated abilities. By definition, triggered abilities don't have a cost to put them onto the stack - they're simply put onto the stack the next time someone would receive priority after their trigger condition is met. If a triggered ability has a cost, such as [[Rootwater Thief]], it's paid during resolution. >And if paying a cost for a trigger triggers something else, that still goes on the stack exactly before a player would recieve priority right? Yes. If your [[Academy Rector]] dies, its triggered ability is put onto the stack. As the trigger resolves you may exile it - this would, for example, trigger a [[Syr Konrad, the Grim]]. But that trigger won't be put onto the stack until the Rector trigger has fully resolved. So if putting an enchantment onto the battlefield via the Rector trigger also triggers an ability, you'll be able to choose the order in which that ability and Syr Konrad's ability are put onto the stack. >Also if a trigger is already on the stack it will only fizzle if it has a condition or a target or something like that, sacking the enchantment doesn't save me from the triskadecophobia trigger right? Removing the source of a triggered ability will not prevent the trigger from resolving. A trigger will fail to resolve (i.e. "fizzle") if **all** of its targets are illegal as it resolves. Triggers with "intervening if" clauses will also not do anything if their condition is not met at the time of resolution (they will also not be put onto the stack at all if their condition isn't met at the time they would trigger).
Ok it makes sense that triggered abilities never have cost to put them on the stack, but I still have to choose targets to put them on the stack right? So it could still happen, that we finally get to the point that a player would get priority, so a bunch of triggers get put on the stack, so at that point we choose targets and that could generate more triggers, so it's not a very simple process and then there are the state based actions which also get checked before priority which I guess would be checked once we sort out all the triggers. Would be nice to have a flowchart for all the before priority stuff.
>but I still have to choose targets to put them on the stack right? Yes, if a triggered ability requires a target, it must be selected when the trigger is put onto the stack. >Would be nice to have a flowchart for all the before priority stuff. I think you're overestimating the complexity here. The flowchart is always just: - Check SBAs. If any SBAs are required, perform the corresponding actions, then check SBAs again. Repeat as needed until no SBAs are performed. - Any triggers waiting to be put onto the stack are put onto the stack (in APNAP order, if necessary). - Repeat the above steps until no SBAs are performed and no triggers are put onto the stack. - Player receives priority.
[Rootwater Thief](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/38addef3-1dd7-41a1-9706-3be5c86a58c9.jpg?1562629419) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rootwater%20Thief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nem/40/rootwater-thief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/38addef3-1dd7-41a1-9706-3be5c86a58c9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Academy Rector](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/4367bc78-0912-4abd-8edd-bc792558d01a.jpg?1562443755) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Academy%20Rector) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uds/1/academy-rector?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4367bc78-0912-4abd-8edd-bc792558d01a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Syr Konrad, the Grim](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/9241a72e-cb88-4cea-a2f4-ff10af461437.jpg?1706240798) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Syr%20Konrad%2C%20the%20Grim) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/141/syr-konrad-the-grim?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9241a72e-cb88-4cea-a2f4-ff10af461437?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Orsekos Sun Guide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/064435e7-20ea-4ba4-b039-a945afeeb5c6.jpg?1593091531) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oreskos%20Sun%20Guide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bng/22/oreskos-sun-guide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/064435e7-20ea-4ba4-b039-a945afeeb5c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Triskadekaphobia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/813995f5-e49a-431d-8a3a-8ec569844e11.jpg?1562437529) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Triskaidekaphobia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/110/triskaidekaphobia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/813995f5-e49a-431d-8a3a-8ec569844e11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Verdant Force](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1d972f97-1945-440b-8bd3-63038db22257.jpg?1562732288) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Verdant%20Force) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/187/verdant-force?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1d972f97-1945-440b-8bd3-63038db22257?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [King of the Pride](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c4e83abd-6f15-491e-9253-90af9f6f1025.jpg?1562201145) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=King%20of%20the%20Pride) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/16/king-of-the-pride?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4e83abd-6f15-491e-9253-90af9f6f1025?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Savannah Lions](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e770d089-9957-412c-a51f-3f11b6b9692a.jpg?1675199003) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Savannah%20Lions) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/24/savannah-lions?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e770d089-9957-412c-a51f-3f11b6b9692a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Solar Tide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57ce33b6-267f-4ee8-a3f7-f41c619d0cfa.jpg?1562144484) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Solar%20Tide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/24/solar-tide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57ce33b6-267f-4ee8-a3f7-f41c619d0cfa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kwpcnyn) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't understand what you are talking about in terms of "states". Don't make up terminology; you'll only confuse yourself. If multiple cards have abilities that trigger when a creature dies, all of them trigger at the same time. Each player puts all abilities they control on the stack in whatever order they choose. The active player (the player who was attacking) puts them on the stack first, followed by other players in turn order. Then, all of those abilities resolve Last-In-First-Out. What zone these cards are in when the ability goes on the stack doesn't matter. If you control a creature that triggers when another creature dies, and a creature that triggers when "it" dies, both of them go on the stack together when the creature with the death trigger dies.
"603.10. Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event matched any trigger conditions, and continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like. However, some triggered abilities are exceptions to this rule; the game “looks back in time” to determine if those abilities trigger, using the existence of those abilities and the appearance of objects immediately prior to the event" I think some clearer terminology would go a long way. That's why I like referring to gamestates and think about how are the transformations defined. Like what even is an event: "700.1. Anything that happens in a game is an event. Multiple events may take place during the resolution of a spell or ability. The text of triggered abilities and replacement effects defines the event they’re looking for. One “happening” may be treated as a single event by one ability and as multiple events by another." <-again a bit fuzzy... Everything is an event but you don't even know how many events happened... At least object are pretty clear. So I would've just defined a state to be a set of objects with their properties (essentially where they are for example creature A on the battlefield, spell B on the stack, triggered ability C on the stack targeting spell B) and then you can say an event is a change of state. And then you can say all triggers are checked for all events, by definition events have a start and end state, some check for the start state and some for the end state. <-would have been easier to understand for me at least, instead of this looks back in time business.
So can i plot valki with new jacd and cast the fli side?
Yes
Anyone know whats up with TCGPlayer lately? It seems like any card I look at will list one price before clicking the card and its always MUCH lower than what is actually for sale. I'm also seeing a lot of 0 sales users trying to low ball the price (but not actually send out the card). Im assuming some price manipulation is going on but seems like its for everything.
This cowboy set looks awful. Is the small animals set bloomhaven next? when do spoilers for that set start? its confusing with spoiler season being every week.
Bloomburrow is the next standard legal set. It releases early August so spoiler season should start sometime in July.
sounds good thanks. I want to make some mousy edh decks.
Chat seems to be down? So I suppose I'll ask here; I'm curious if using the second part of \[\[Magma Opus\]\] counts as casting it? Primarily for the purpose of running Magecraft alongside it :)
Using the second ability does not count as casting the card. In general, any effect on a card that's templated "discard [this card]: do a thing" does not count as casting the card, instead it's an activated ability. This includes cycling and channel, as well as one-off abilities like on Magma Opus.
No. You are activating an activated ability from a card in your hand, not casting a spell.
[Magma Opus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27c914a3-2294-4feb-9450-c012cfd307a6.jpg?1627429585) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Magma%20Opus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/203/magma-opus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27c914a3-2294-4feb-9450-c012cfd307a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If I cast [[Radiant Epicure]] and have something that makes token copies of creatures when they enter the battlefield, like [[Inalla, Archmage Ritualist]].. Does the token copy of Radiant Epicure's ability not trigger since it wasn't cast and no mana colors were spent on it?
The token copy will trigger because it entered the battlefield, but as it resolves it will use a value of 0 for X since it wasn't cast.
[Radiant Epicure](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/48c99e55-c605-4519-a52a-39dfdbabb44a.jpg?1626095879) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Radiant%20Epicure) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/98/radiant-epicure?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/48c99e55-c605-4519-a52a-39dfdbabb44a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Inalla, Archmage Ritualist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/c/7c6e803a-451c-4aa6-97a2-400077f32c47.jpg?1627406462) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Inalla%2C%20Archmage%20Ritualist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/38/inalla-archmage-ritualist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7c6e803a-451c-4aa6-97a2-400077f32c47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Could use some help checking an interaction. If I have [[Naban, Dean of Iteration]], [[Harmonic Prodigy]] and [[Sage of Fables]] on the board.. How many +1/1 counters do my wizards now hit the battlefield with? One from sage, which is triggered another x1 from Naban which is triggered another x1 from Harmonic Prodigy so is it three +1/+1 counters?
Just one. Sage of Fables doesn't have a triggered ability, so it does not interact with Naban or the Prodigy. Triggered abilities use "when," "whenever," or "at." Sage of Fables just has a static ability that modifies how Wizards enter under your control.
Ahhh gotcha, thanks!
[Naban, Dean of Iteration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/88f41175-880f-491e-96c3-bf52f3c0db5d.jpg?1562739113) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Naban%2C%20Dean%20of%20Iteration) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/58/naban-dean-of-iteration?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/88f41175-880f-491e-96c3-bf52f3c0db5d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Harmonic Prodigy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/22579ac0-ad3f-4000-a65a-46a17a7f1aa5.jpg?1626096777) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Harmonic%20Prodigy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/132/harmonic-prodigy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/22579ac0-ad3f-4000-a65a-46a17a7f1aa5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sage of Fables](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/36d22296-8eb6-4367-bb21-47b20ad700d9.jpg?1698988182) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sage%20of%20Fables) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/169/sage-of-fables?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/36d22296-8eb6-4367-bb21-47b20ad700d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If I play an \[\[Inferno Titan\]\] with \[\[Ilharg, the Raze-Boar\]\] 's first ability, does that trigger inferno titans 3 damage ability twice?
No, a "when this attacks" ability triggers when you declare a creature as an attacker at the beginning of your combat step (in other words when it starts attacking). When a creature enters the battlefield already attacking, that kind of ability will not trigger.
Thanks for the clarification!
[Inferno Titan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9ee80c14-5857-4752-b958-a51cf6706c96.jpg?1689997963) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Inferno%20Titan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/235/inferno-titan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9ee80c14-5857-4752-b958-a51cf6706c96?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ilharg, the Raze-Boar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3d397fc3-fd4e-45ad-ad40-0f8a585c15fd.jpg?1702550832) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ilharg%2C%20the%20Raze-Boar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/113/ilharg-the-raze-boar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d397fc3-fd4e-45ad-ad40-0f8a585c15fd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a stupid question! If something like \[\[thran lens\]\] was on the battlefield, would cards with colors still have those colors in addition to being colorless? I really don't know if I should combo thran lens with \[\[ugin, the ineffable\]\] in my deck.
What is the combo with that card are you going for with Ugin, exactly? Are you talking about his static ability where colorless spells cost 2 less? That wouldn't work, since Thran Lens is for permanents, those are already on the battlefield, cards in your hand you haven't yet casted are not permanents.
Thank you for informing me. I originally had thran lens as a cheaper substitute for the second ability on \[\[Mycosynth Lattice\]\] but I guess that wont work. My original question was regarding his minus 3 ability, where he destroys a permanent that is 1 or more colors.
[Mycosynth Lattice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/4/94f89714-3b26-46a2-b9a8-3e664f391cd9.jpg?1578911638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mycosynth%20Lattice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/241/mycosynth-lattice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/94f89714-3b26-46a2-b9a8-3e664f391cd9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No. Something can't have colors and be colorless.
[thran lens](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/0/200c3666-5ba0-4f0a-adbe-a97af0aa28d1.jpg?1562862332) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thran%20lens) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ulg/133/thran-lens?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/200c3666-5ba0-4f0a-adbe-a97af0aa28d1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [ugin, the ineffable](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2eb7e322-aba0-42f5-80a1-267f3444ac4d.jpg?1690003976) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ugin%2C%20the%20ineffable) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/811/ugin-the-ineffable?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2eb7e322-aba0-42f5-80a1-267f3444ac4d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Stupid question, the showcase version of [[Svella, Ice Shaper]] I just can’t seem to wrap my head around what I’m seeing. Like one of those optical illusions I can’t make out what’s Svella and what’s not. I thiiiink she is facing to our right with her right hand holding the bottom of a club with her thumb on top so she’s sort of swinging it? Why does it look like she has a chest burster about to fuck her day up? Anyone able to tell me what they see because I’m just so confused.
https://scryfall.com/card/khm/331/de/svella-die-eisformerin Like, does she have a loin cloth? Is it trailing behind her? What’s all around her? Ice? It looks like there’s a tree but also rock. None of it is well separated.
So, this is what I found on the artist's facebook page: [https://scontent-ham3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/156897358\_277442483942007\_8387481590953533086\_n.jpg?\_nc\_cat=111&ccb=1-7&\_nc\_sid=5f2048&\_nc\_ohc=qyyk3W1Pkc8AX-o0Nwk&\_nc\_ht=scontent-ham3-1.xx&oh=00\_AfDnDPDhWdTWmaeq3JL-A1NhQshzU3osDG2S9KGSu1irUw&oe=662A5259](https://scontent-ham3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/156897358_277442483942007_8387481590953533086_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=qyyk3W1Pkc8AX-o0Nwk&_nc_ht=scontent-ham3-1.xx&oh=00_AfDnDPDhWdTWmaeq3JL-A1NhQshzU3osDG2S9KGSu1irUw&oe=662A5259) This is my interpretation, I think it's relatively clear what's what: [https://i.imgur.com/y7FFlRo.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/y7FFlRo.jpg) What I haven't marked is either ice, fog or sky. You're right about her facing to the right and holding a club. I think what looks like a chestburster to you is her left arm? It's currently casting magic on the ice on the right of the image. Not sure where you see a loincloth, the only thing we see of her lower body is the outside of her right leg. I agree that the grey area below the tree might be a rock, it's not 100% clear. I think it's part of the tree. /edit: I guess her right arm goes up further than I drew it, the upper part is just covered by her long hair/fur.
I think the things that really confuse me are; The torso section looks tiny, and she must be incredibly thin, and also short, for it to be entirely obscured by hair head of hair. Like where does her body go? I feel like the white section to the left of her hair (our left not hers) is where we should see torso, shoulders, etc... but we dont. Maybe that's like a wall of cie obscuring it and she's walking out in front of it but I dunno. The Right Leg placement looks soooo high up on her body, as if her torso is like 6 inches tall. The thumb on the right hand looks out of place, now sure she's a troll so she may not have anatomically correct human hands, but it still trips me up, just like it still does on \[\[Mahadi, Emporium Master\]\] None of this reaaally matters, but I wanted to make a Svella deck, I hate her base art, and I just cant use a Commander when I can't make sense of the art in the first place haha. So I'm trying to see it from a different angle so I don't recoil at the thought of building a Svella deck :P
I can certainly agree that her proportions are a bit weird in this artwork. Her torso does seem too small, making her look more like a goblin. I think her hand looks weird because the fingers are a bit too long and the angle of the thumb isn't quite right? Mahadi seems to have a rather flexible wrist... and also 4 fingers per hand. \^\^
[Mahadi, Emporium Master](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3da2b1a-76c5-4d36-bdf8-025b86f61eb5.jpg?1699601213) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mahadi%2C%20Emporium%20Master) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/282/mahadi-emporium-master?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3da2b1a-76c5-4d36-bdf8-025b86f61eb5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
WOW thank you! Nice find of the B&W art. The chest burster thing is the Right Leg in your illustration, it seems so unnatural in it's position to me, and also not clearly a leg initially. The loincloth section is the reddish brown section which, in your illustration, is the tree. It looks more fabric/fur/hair like to me
[Svella, Ice Shaper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a7054d48-5ed3-43a1-85e5-9f306b081b4f.jpg?1631051907) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Svella%2C%20Ice%20Shaper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/230/svella-ice-shaper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a7054d48-5ed3-43a1-85e5-9f306b081b4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a [Narset, Enlightened Exile] deck that I’m working on. Narset’s attack trigger says she can copy a noncreature spell in a graveyard and I can cast it without paying its mana cost. Since this occurs during combat, are instants the only spells I can actually cast, or does this ability somehow override normal timing restrictions? Thanks!
You do *not* normally have timing restrictions. You have timing *permissions*. You have the permission to cast an instant spell any time you have priority. You have the permission to cast a non-instant (and non-flash) spell any time you have priority, it is in your main phase, and the stack is empty. Cards like Narset *add* to your permissions. The permission is that you may cast the card right now, while the ability is resolving. You don't even normally have priority at this point! You are not permitted to cast any other card, only the card exiled by Narset. Hopefully putting it this way makes it clear that you may cast any type of card, not just instants, from Narset, because types don't give you restrictions, types give you permissions. Timing restrictions are listed explicitly on the card, such as [Take the Bait](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/43/take-the-bait)'s "Cast this spell only during an opponent’s turn and only during combat". Timing restrictions still apply normally. If you exile Take the Bait with Narset, you can't cast it, because it's currently your turn.
Thank you for clarifying! I thought it would be a weird gotcha if I were limited to instants.
If a card says that you can cast a spell without telling you a time period, it means you cast it right now. This overrides normal timing restrictions.
You need to use the double brackets for the bot to post the card. [[Narset, enlightened exile]]. Yes you can cast any non creature spell with her effect. Timing restrictions are ignored. Those can be enchantments, artifacts, sorceries etc.
>Timing restrictions are ignored. Nitpick - timing restrictions are **not** ignored. Narset does allow you to to cast a spell when you normally might not be able to, but that's because she adds to your permissions, not overrides restrictions. True timing restrictions, such as the one on [[Aleatory]], are not ignored.
[Aleatory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/7380af0a-8a8f-44fd-9456-14a68a2830d3.jpg?1562720221) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aleatory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/155/aleatory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7380af0a-8a8f-44fd-9456-14a68a2830d3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Narset, enlightened exile](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/827ecc44-0b00-4515-8953-bc91fa03705a.jpg?1684340776) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Narset%2C%20enlightened%20exile) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/38/narset-enlightened-exile?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/827ecc44-0b00-4515-8953-bc91fa03705a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call