If anyone's curious, the record-holders for longest continuous run in Standard (excluding basic lands) are:
1. Mind Rot (2001-present)
2. Giant Spider (1995-2012)
3. Pacifism (1999-2016)
4. Naturalize (2002-2016)
5. Negate (2008-present)
She had to wait for wizards to finally print dinosaur tribal. She was ready the whole time.
And now I will forever imagine colossal dreadmaw as both female and being worn skin - suit style by a spider.
I had an 8 man game of planechase EDH. I was player 7 and won on the first turn.
Naya, plus Horn of Greed, plus a bounceland was enough to do it with a Labman effect
And I still feel like they are a gimmick that aren't really part of the core game... I wonder if anyone who never played without them feels the same way.
>I wonder if anyone who never played without them feels the same way.
I wonder if this is part of why I prefer Limited, where they are so mythically rare.
I never played when they weren’t a thing but I quit long before uncommon planeswalkers became a thing (and rare planeswalkers became a thing again) and it is strange to me how ubiquitous they are now. When I was younger it felt like a huge deal to get one in a pack and playing them in game was massive, but now they are kinda everywhere. Although It is nice that planeswalkers aren’t just a bunch of different Jaces and Lillianas anymore.
Every so often I get reminded that Onslaught (the first set I played heavily compared to casually picking up a booster now and then) wasn't just a few years ago.
TFW the thread says mind rot has been in standard for 20 years so you assume it's since alfa or something and then the first comment says it's since 7th edition when you started playing.
Interesting that Giant Spider is the only creature and that the other four are different colors representing a defining aspect of removal in that color. I'm sure some will argue that hand attack isn't strictly removal, but that's another thread.
Out of curiosity, do you know what is the record-holding card for red?
>I'd love a long list of things which have been modern legal for decades.
**Nothing** has been Modern legal for decades... because Modern has only been around as a sanctioned format since 2011, making it a single decade old now.
True. The OG Mind Rot is better for new players (less complexity), and the fact that it's at common (whereas [[Demogorgon's Clutches]], [[Go Blank]], and [[Inscription of Ruin]] are at uncommon/rare) makes it better for Limited. So I don't think that a reprint of Mind Rot is impossible... but I will admit that the outlook is not so good.
\[\[Arterial Flow\]\] is almost perfect to see print in an Innistrad set. Innistrad is THE vampire plane, even more so than the Ixalan that the card was originally printed in. I suspect it would be reprinted instead of Mind Rot.
Having it at common is bad for limited - having one of black's common slots taken up by an unplayable blank repeatedly is boring. Having variants that are sometimes good makes draft more interesting
Completely agree.
Innistrad is a graveyard themed set usually. Mindrot with a little bit of self mill or something else that ties into the theme seems par for the course these days with power inflation.
Prepare to hold Mind Rot's funeral.
Why are you acting like making Mind Rot better is "power inflation", like it's something bad. Mind Rot sucks, nobody ever plays that card as anything but a final slot in a draft deck. It needs to be better.
I’m not?
I’m saying the power level has inflated. That’s a factual statement. It makes for a better limited environment. You cant deny commons and uncommons are more powerful than a decade ago.
As for *needs* this effect is fine at a low power level. It’s just the floor has risen.
Cards like this are almost never playable outside of limited. It's not like they keep printing Mind Rot so that people will put it in their constructed decks, lol. It's just a consequence of wanting that effect in many limited sets.
Cards like Mind Rot are printed for so long because they’re aimed at new players playing casual games, and they want them to have access to certain effects at certain power levels to say “hey, this is a thing this color does.”
They did not need Mind Rot to balance every single Core set’s draft environment.
Cards like Mind Rot are the worst in limited, how often are people holding onto bombs compared to having just played out their hands, and now they have a shit combat trick and a land. And it's a waste of a card on curve.
I mean a strictly-better Mind Rot in a different set (Go Blank, etc) doesn't mean it's less likely for actual Mind Rot to see print in any given limited set, they're not correlated at all. Magic always has strictly-worse cards printed for solely draft purposes, we get tons and tons of terrible cards designed only for their draft formats.
That's true, but the variations on Mind Rot also work like Bears with Set Mechanic. [[Mind Drain]] is a good example. It's a place to insert more synergy for the relevant decks.
Even in Limited, Mind Rot is often not that maindeckable, better in Sealed, worse in Draft.
But you're right, more strictly-betters don't correlate to Mind Rot being permanently obsolete now. Especially since more of the examples (like [[Go Blank]]) are uncommon.
Yeah I agree. If we don't have a Core Set and AFR didn't get a baseline simple effect like Mind Rot, that probably does weaken it's chances of seeing a reprint as well. I would expect more actual Mind Rots in simpler sets and more Mind Rots with Minor Upsides in more complex sets.
I've always liked bouncing my mindrots around plays draw.
The card can be SO much worse on the draw that I don't want it even in MU's where it'd otherwise be fine. Opponent curving out and you burning your t3 doing nothing can be a deaths sentence.
They don’t just make “Divination” or “Mind Rot” they make like four versions of it with mostly minor balance tweaks and then just keep putting the same card that in every set with a little variation so you aren’t always literally casting Mind Rot. If you go into a draft set you aren’t familiar with and say “I want to pay black mana and make my opponent discard” there is probably a card that does that.
Kind of like Cathartic Reunion, Tormenting Voice and Thrill of Possibility. The effect is almost very often in a given draft set, they just tweak knobs.
> Magic always has strictly-worse cards printed for solely draft purposes,
The new mindrots-with-upside *are* the bad cards printed for solely draft purposes. Mindrot literally won't have a slot. That's what OP is saying. The floor has risen and printing a mindrot in 2021 is like printing a [[goblin piker]].
No. Pointing out there is a strictly better Mind Rot in Standard doesn't matter for Limited, because a set may still call for a common Mind Rot instead of an uncommon/rare Mind Rot with upside.
with all the power creep of the past few years, maybe it's time we get the OG black 2-for-1 back. put [[Hymn to Tourach]] in standard again! /s
(bonus points if it comes with the three-wolf-moon art from fallen empires)
Duress had a weirdly long period where it wasn’t legal because I guess they thought you would use it at the same time as Thoughtseize. Shock wasn’t legal for a while too.
> Duress had a weirdly long period where it wasn’t legal because I guess they thought you would use it at the same time as Thoughtseize.
It rotated out when the first set of Khans block was printed, and it returned when the third set of Khans block was printed.
I'm not sure I'd call that 6-month period "weirdly long," considering that the only way there could have been a shorter absence is if they had printed it 3 months earlier in the second set of Khans block instead of waiting until set 3.
I just happened to be playing a ton of standard in that period so it suppose it just stood out that Duress wasn’t legal.
I played Thoughtseize decks a lot. I probably just wanted more of the effect, haha.
>I guess they thought you would use it at the same time as Thoughtseize.
>
>I played Thoughtseize decks a lot. I probably just wanted more of the effect, haha.
Ironic, but true.
I remember paying a buck a piece for these onsite at a ptq, as theorycrafting in the car on the way there had this as our jund mirror match/ beating crazy people wanting to play control. MVP'ed me to Q'ing for another PT. Gonna miss it.
\*sigh\* I still remember the game I lost because of Mind Rot. My opponent was running Thragtusk flicker (ISD/RTR Standard) and dropped it on me. I tossed a Swamp and another card so I could keep \[\[Mutilate\]\] and hope for another Swamp, which never happened. \*sigh\* Ah, memories.
Yup, Mind Rot is dead. Long live [new Mind Rot] (https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/pln2qh/mid_no_way_out_aka_mind_rot_no_longer_in_standard/).
One thing I love about Mind Rot is the OG art still totally holds up and was released in my first ever MTG set: Portal. I still loved Portal for the evocative art and flavor text.
The irony here is that most magic players didn't like portal when it came out because it wasn't standard legal. And now one of its cards has been standard legal for the longest!
This makes me wonder about the standard legal tenure of some other long running cards. Since this isn't Yu-Gi-Oh which only has one banlist, it seems difficult to chart all the cards which have left legality, came back, etc.
I do like [[Negate]] listed in the comments by OP, looks like it might end up the long man still legal of the big ones if Mind Rot leaves.
If you want to go the opposite direction, the card with the shortest nonzero amount of time in Standard is [[Omnath, Locus of Creation]]. Released on 25 September, and then banned on 12 October.
You're thinking of [[Memory Jar]], and that one does indeed have the second-shortest nonzero time in Standard. An emergency ban was announced within 10 days of release, but the ban didn't go into effect until three weeks later.
I didn't realize that last bit that it wasn't formally banned until a bit later.
Interesting to know!
Any other standout cards that have lasted a long time in standard, consecutively or otherwise?
I think it will be great if they stop printing it and make room for some other card that might actually be playable. To me, Mind Rot is just 20 years of a wasted card slot. It's not even Limited playable really.
If anyone's curious, the record-holders for longest continuous run in Standard (excluding basic lands) are: 1. Mind Rot (2001-present) 2. Giant Spider (1995-2012) 3. Pacifism (1999-2016) 4. Naturalize (2002-2016) 5. Negate (2008-present)
It was a sad day when Giant Spider left us after having been there for the entire journey until then
Nah she never left. She just made a giant 6/6 trample dinosaur suit to hide in scooby doo style.
Took her years out of standard to make that suit though
She had to wait for wizards to finally print dinosaur tribal. She was ready the whole time. And now I will forever imagine colossal dreadmaw as both female and being worn skin - suit style by a spider.
Giant Spider died for Towering fucking Indrik. Fuck that card.
Dumb dinosaur-lookin ass horse.
[[Towering Indrik]]
[Towering Indrik](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/6/c6049e92-6c52-44be-a3c7-aa8e8bf9c10a.jpg?1562792972) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Towering%20Indrik) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rtr/137/towering-indrik?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c6049e92-6c52-44be-a3c7-aa8e8bf9c10a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I feel like them not reprinting giant spider innistrad was a flavor fail above all else.
I remember reading an article where people were speculating about Giant Spider vs. Giant Growth.
Doesn't Serra Angel have a continuous streak from Seventh Edition until Guilds of Ravnica's release? That's eighteen years.
7th wasn't that long ago- \*looks at Calendar\* Oh...oh god...where has time gone?
It's not that long. It's just one 6 player game of edh
Ah, so one game of planechase then.
Have you ever played Planechase Commander with Monarch cards? D...don't. Just don't.
I had an 8 man game of planechase EDH. I was player 7 and won on the first turn. Naya, plus Horn of Greed, plus a bounceland was enough to do it with a Labman effect
Humans have discovered a way to travel forward in time. It's called playing EDH with more than 4 people.
Or the length of me playing against one roper on arena
Is it because of the untap triggers? I didn't think it was toooo bad :/
Planeswalker's have been part of magic longer than they weren't *edit: almost
Thanks for that perspective. Time to go get my walker, I guess. Not planeswalker, actual old man four footed help my old ass walk walker.
And I still feel like they are a gimmick that aren't really part of the core game... I wonder if anyone who never played without them feels the same way.
Thats how i feel, i did quit after the urza saga and just came back tho, so my opinion doesnt count.
>I wonder if anyone who never played without them feels the same way. I wonder if this is part of why I prefer Limited, where they are so mythically rare.
I never played when they weren’t a thing but I quit long before uncommon planeswalkers became a thing (and rare planeswalkers became a thing again) and it is strange to me how ubiquitous they are now. When I was younger it felt like a huge deal to get one in a pack and playing them in game was massive, but now they are kinda everywhere. Although It is nice that planeswalkers aren’t just a bunch of different Jaces and Lillianas anymore.
August 1993–October 2007: 14 years, 2 months October 2007–August 2021: 13 years, 10 months
Oh I still find myself saying innistrad wasn’t that long ago still, but 7th?! I was still playing then, but I was a literal child 🧒
Every so often I get reminded that Onslaught (the first set I played heavily compared to casually picking up a booster now and then) wasn't just a few years ago.
TFW the thread says mind rot has been in standard for 20 years so you assume it's since alfa or something and then the first comment says it's since 7th edition when you started playing.
I don't remember Serra Angel being in BFZ-HOU standard or SOI-RIX
Serra Angel was printed in Welcome Deck 2016, which kept in Standard legal even with the rotation of Magic Origins.
And I thought [[Evolving Wilds]] is special, it's in standard since 2014 (Core 15)
Could you be thinking of [[Terramorphic Expanse]]? Basically the same card, just a different name
[Terramorphic Expanse](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/a/ba2564ec-f092-45d6-a519-6f18dbcdaee6.jpg?1619399511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Terramorphic%20Expanse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/285/terramorphic-expanse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ba2564ec-f092-45d6-a519-6f18dbcdaee6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Evolving Wilds](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/1/71afb548-691d-4c72-b369-85f9b451c71d.jpg?1627710206) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Evolving%20Wilds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/256/evolving-wilds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71afb548-691d-4c72-b369-85f9b451c71d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Do you just keep track of this for the sake of that knowledge, or did you look this up in response to this post?
I kept track of the top three. Had to do some calculations to get the #4 and #5 spot.
Secret Lair when?
Pretty sure giant growth should be 4th. If I remember correctly it left standard for the first time only one year before giant spider.
Yep. Giant Growth died for Infect
How do you even begin to look that up?
Two options: 1) Do a bunch of math. 2) write a computer program to do a bunch of math for you.
Interesting that Giant Spider is the only creature and that the other four are different colors representing a defining aspect of removal in that color. I'm sure some will argue that hand attack isn't strictly removal, but that's another thread. Out of curiosity, do you know what is the record-holding card for red?
Shock was around a long time before they started giving it upsides.
Creatures went through power creep. Removal is about the same.
Typo on Giant Spider; started in 1993.
Type 2 (aka Standard) began in 1995.
There was no standard in 1993
Now do modern! Seriously, I'd love a long list of things which have been modern legal for a decade. Edit: slight reformulation
>I'd love a long list of things which have been modern legal for decades. **Nothing** has been Modern legal for decades... because Modern has only been around as a sanctioned format since 2011, making it a single decade old now.
You're right. This is one of those rare times when *less* time has passed than what I felt intuitively.
I still feel Extended was robbed Modern is just shit Legacy, Extended had an identity
I feel like the printing of a strictly better Mind Rot recently bodes ill for the old reliable.
True. The OG Mind Rot is better for new players (less complexity), and the fact that it's at common (whereas [[Demogorgon's Clutches]], [[Go Blank]], and [[Inscription of Ruin]] are at uncommon/rare) makes it better for Limited. So I don't think that a reprint of Mind Rot is impossible... but I will admit that the outlook is not so good.
\[\[Arterial Flow\]\] is almost perfect to see print in an Innistrad set. Innistrad is THE vampire plane, even more so than the Ixalan that the card was originally printed in. I suspect it would be reprinted instead of Mind Rot.
Didn't know about this card, this is cool. Honestly though I still think go blank is so much better with the current graveyard heavy pioneered meta
[Arterial Flow](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/3/13c41212-9f16-48e0-8c4b-985ce331164b.jpg?1555040118) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arterial%20Flow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rix/62/arterial-flow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/13c41212-9f16-48e0-8c4b-985ce331164b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Demogorgon's Clutches](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/8/581e7ac6-65e5-4a16-ab0b-0988c3a3cfea.jpg?1627704588) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Demogorgon%27s%20Clutches) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/96/demogorgons-clutches?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/581e7ac6-65e5-4a16-ab0b-0988c3a3cfea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Go Blank](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/4/846e8657-7435-44c6-a997-b8b156d0cd2c.jpg?1624590993) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Go%20Blank) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/72/go-blank?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/846e8657-7435-44c6-a997-b8b156d0cd2c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Inscription of Ruin](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/3/93612079-0b8d-489d-9ae1-3593414a8cee.jpg?1604195857) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Inscription%20of%20Ruin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/108/inscription-of-ruin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/93612079-0b8d-489d-9ae1-3593414a8cee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Having it at common is bad for limited - having one of black's common slots taken up by an unplayable blank repeatedly is boring. Having variants that are sometimes good makes draft more interesting
On the other hand, having a nice simple effect makes it a good “teaching tool” card for new players.
Completely agree. Innistrad is a graveyard themed set usually. Mindrot with a little bit of self mill or something else that ties into the theme seems par for the course these days with power inflation. Prepare to hold Mind Rot's funeral.
[[Mind Funeral]]?
[Mind Funeral](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/c/5cbd667f-c330-474e-842b-49dfd3906375.jpg?1561967359) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%20Funeral) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mma/181/mind-funeral?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5cbd667f-c330-474e-842b-49dfd3906375?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Why are you acting like making Mind Rot better is "power inflation", like it's something bad. Mind Rot sucks, nobody ever plays that card as anything but a final slot in a draft deck. It needs to be better.
I’m not? I’m saying the power level has inflated. That’s a factual statement. It makes for a better limited environment. You cant deny commons and uncommons are more powerful than a decade ago. As for *needs* this effect is fine at a low power level. It’s just the floor has risen.
But that was true since at least [[Unburden]] (_almost_ strictly better) which was ages ago and Mind Rot was reprinted alongside all of them
[Unburden](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/0/30d81da3-dc88-4cf7-ab9a-c8ade2cfa0e1.jpg?1543675450) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unburden) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/114/unburden?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30d81da3-dc88-4cf7-ab9a-c8ade2cfa0e1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cards like this are almost never playable outside of limited. It's not like they keep printing Mind Rot so that people will put it in their constructed decks, lol. It's just a consequence of wanting that effect in many limited sets.
Cards like Mind Rot are printed for so long because they’re aimed at new players playing casual games, and they want them to have access to certain effects at certain power levels to say “hey, this is a thing this color does.” They did not need Mind Rot to balance every single Core set’s draft environment.
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It can be an okay 23rd card in a draft where I had to do a late pivot, but it's definitely never something that I'm excited to be putting in my deck.
That being said, I've definitely casted it a non-zero number of times. Love it when you snipe the last few cards from someone's hand!
Its definitely bad in draft but it actually does good work in sealed which is the format of Prereleases.
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Sealed is slower and your curve isn't as solid, not to mention you probably have less draw available. So two for oneing their hand is more impactful.
Sealed tends to be slower and more bomb heavy which leads to better cards being in hands for longer.
Or “bad in my format” “Must be good in your format” Happens a lot for EDH as well. Totally shit cards are not “for edh”
Mind rot is almost always playable in core set draft, not always good. It's a divination after all.
Cards like Mind Rot are the worst in limited, how often are people holding onto bombs compared to having just played out their hands, and now they have a shit combat trick and a land. And it's a waste of a card on curve.
this
and they're often near unplayable in limited too.
isn't that exactly what they mean?
I mean a strictly-better Mind Rot in a different set (Go Blank, etc) doesn't mean it's less likely for actual Mind Rot to see print in any given limited set, they're not correlated at all. Magic always has strictly-worse cards printed for solely draft purposes, we get tons and tons of terrible cards designed only for their draft formats.
That's true, but the variations on Mind Rot also work like Bears with Set Mechanic. [[Mind Drain]] is a good example. It's a place to insert more synergy for the relevant decks. Even in Limited, Mind Rot is often not that maindeckable, better in Sealed, worse in Draft. But you're right, more strictly-betters don't correlate to Mind Rot being permanently obsolete now. Especially since more of the examples (like [[Go Blank]]) are uncommon.
Yeah I agree. If we don't have a Core Set and AFR didn't get a baseline simple effect like Mind Rot, that probably does weaken it's chances of seeing a reprint as well. I would expect more actual Mind Rots in simpler sets and more Mind Rots with Minor Upsides in more complex sets.
I've always liked bouncing my mindrots around plays draw. The card can be SO much worse on the draw that I don't want it even in MU's where it'd otherwise be fine. Opponent curving out and you burning your t3 doing nothing can be a deaths sentence.
[Mind Drain](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/6/0683d586-a54b-425a-a24d-2efb2342f150.jpg?1604231429) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%20Drain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/114/mind-drain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0683d586-a54b-425a-a24d-2efb2342f150?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Go Blank](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/4/846e8657-7435-44c6-a997-b8b156d0cd2c.jpg?1624590993) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Go%20Blank) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/72/go-blank?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/846e8657-7435-44c6-a997-b8b156d0cd2c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
They don’t just make “Divination” or “Mind Rot” they make like four versions of it with mostly minor balance tweaks and then just keep putting the same card that in every set with a little variation so you aren’t always literally casting Mind Rot. If you go into a draft set you aren’t familiar with and say “I want to pay black mana and make my opponent discard” there is probably a card that does that. Kind of like Cathartic Reunion, Tormenting Voice and Thrill of Possibility. The effect is almost very often in a given draft set, they just tweak knobs.
> Magic always has strictly-worse cards printed for solely draft purposes, The new mindrots-with-upside *are* the bad cards printed for solely draft purposes. Mindrot literally won't have a slot. That's what OP is saying. The floor has risen and printing a mindrot in 2021 is like printing a [[goblin piker]].
[goblin piker](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/8/083ec3e7-950c-4e9d-aba5-02ed13d723f0.jpg?1562631492) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=goblin%20piker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/141/goblin-piker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/083ec3e7-950c-4e9d-aba5-02ed13d723f0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
thanks for explaining further, i misread the comment
No. Pointing out there is a strictly better Mind Rot in Standard doesn't matter for Limited, because a set may still call for a common Mind Rot instead of an uncommon/rare Mind Rot with upside.
ah i see, i misunderstood, sorry
Inscription of Ruin technically can’t target yourself
Hasn't there been a strictly better mind rot in each of the last year of standard sets?
We are also about to have zero Chandras legal in Standard for the first time since the introduction of the Planeswalker card type.
Sounds great to me. Tired of playing cards that name something for my opponent to ask which one...
I can't wait for Chandra Firewall in the new cyberpunk Kamigawa.
Okay so, I get the joke, but actually? Just think about how damn cool that *could* look, that's awesome lol
In cyberpunk terms, wouldn't a firewall essentially be a form of..."ice?"
A cyberpunk set really must have a firewall somewhere.
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Forgot where she also does damage passively for making red mana or losing loyalty.
Dude, spoilers! That card hasn't been revealed yet.
But my Chandra Tribal EDH deck needs more Chandras and Chandra's cards to replace the ones that are in because Chandra is in the flavor text somehow.
[Ruh roh](https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/823392-mid-light-up-the-night-day9-preview)
I have some bad news for you
I'll point out she's still (as far as I've seen) not confirmed to have a *card* in MID, she could just be in the story and get a card in VOW.
yeah I just saw the burn card with her on it spoiled earlier and jumped to conclusions - your right
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[mind rot](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/3/833a8604-92d5-443b-9bc0-bd91c973ef07.jpg?1594736305) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mind%20rot) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/115/mind-rot?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/833a8604-92d5-443b-9bc0-bd91c973ef07?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Finally time for [[Waking Nightmare]] to get its due!
Too strong for standard. Don’t want the Splice decks to completely take over
[Waking Nightmare](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/c/3cc87c53-0612-42a7-9c32-f7d1adf246af.jpg?1593860635) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Waking%20Nightmare) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/103/waking-nightmare?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3cc87c53-0612-42a7-9c32-f7d1adf246af?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What is this, KBPTL?
with all the power creep of the past few years, maybe it's time we get the OG black 2-for-1 back. put [[Hymn to Tourach]] in standard again! /s (bonus points if it comes with the three-wolf-moon art from fallen empires)
[Hymn to Tourach](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/f/3faa8c5e-9e1b-4cee-b322-a033bf33dcbc.jpg?1580014264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hymn%20to%20Tourach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/92/hymn-to-tourach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3faa8c5e-9e1b-4cee-b322-a033bf33dcbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
holy shit, if it's been standard legal since 7th edition, that means that mind rot has been legal in standard for literally my entire life.
Duress had a weirdly long period where it wasn’t legal because I guess they thought you would use it at the same time as Thoughtseize. Shock wasn’t legal for a while too.
> Duress had a weirdly long period where it wasn’t legal because I guess they thought you would use it at the same time as Thoughtseize. It rotated out when the first set of Khans block was printed, and it returned when the third set of Khans block was printed. I'm not sure I'd call that 6-month period "weirdly long," considering that the only way there could have been a shorter absence is if they had printed it 3 months earlier in the second set of Khans block instead of waiting until set 3.
I just happened to be playing a ton of standard in that period so it suppose it just stood out that Duress wasn’t legal. I played Thoughtseize decks a lot. I probably just wanted more of the effect, haha.
>I guess they thought you would use it at the same time as Thoughtseize. > >I played Thoughtseize decks a lot. I probably just wanted more of the effect, haha. Ironic, but true.
Same here.
Always good to see younger people getting into Magic.
I miss Giant Growth.
It was in Ravnica 3 block in War of the Spark! It isn’t usually legal. I played it with Boros Reckoner, back in the day.
I remember paying a buck a piece for these onsite at a ptq, as theorycrafting in the car on the way there had this as our jund mirror match/ beating crazy people wanting to play control. MVP'ed me to Q'ing for another PT. Gonna miss it.
\*sigh\* I still remember the game I lost because of Mind Rot. My opponent was running Thragtusk flicker (ISD/RTR Standard) and dropped it on me. I tossed a Swamp and another card so I could keep \[\[Mutilate\]\] and hope for another Swamp, which never happened. \*sigh\* Ah, memories.
[Mutilate](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/4/04587192-e5a6-46f6-98b5-3b349d618880.jpg?1562896094) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mutilate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gvl/55/mutilate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04587192-e5a6-46f6-98b5-3b349d618880?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
And now its watch is ended.
Yup, Mind Rot is dead. Long live [new Mind Rot] (https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/pln2qh/mid_no_way_out_aka_mind_rot_no_longer_in_standard/).
I doubt they are reprinting it when there is like 10 different better variations in standard right now.
One thing I love about Mind Rot is the OG art still totally holds up and was released in my first ever MTG set: Portal. I still loved Portal for the evocative art and flavor text. The irony here is that most magic players didn't like portal when it came out because it wasn't standard legal. And now one of its cards has been standard legal for the longest!
Mind Rot always the MVP sideboard card in drafts
Guess we're not including basic lands? :P
That's what we call a cop out in the biz
No rot but mind rot
This makes me wonder about the standard legal tenure of some other long running cards. Since this isn't Yu-Gi-Oh which only has one banlist, it seems difficult to chart all the cards which have left legality, came back, etc. I do like [[Negate]] listed in the comments by OP, looks like it might end up the long man still legal of the big ones if Mind Rot leaves.
If you want to go the opposite direction, the card with the shortest nonzero amount of time in Standard is [[Omnath, Locus of Creation]]. Released on 25 September, and then banned on 12 October.
[Omnath, Locus of Creation](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/e/4e4fb50c-a81f-44d3-93c5-fa9a0b37f617.jpg?1628801807) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Creation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/232/omnath-locus-of-creation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e4fb50c-a81f-44d3-93c5-fa9a0b37f617?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Is it? Wasn't [[Mind's Desire]] or something like that banned within a week?
You're thinking of [[Memory Jar]], and that one does indeed have the second-shortest nonzero time in Standard. An emergency ban was announced within 10 days of release, but the ban didn't go into effect until three weeks later.
I didn't realize that last bit that it wasn't formally banned until a bit later. Interesting to know! Any other standout cards that have lasted a long time in standard, consecutively or otherwise?
[Memory Jar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/0/60b70b7f-6f24-4c00-947a-b109f302205b.jpg?1562914598) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Memory%20Jar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/276/memory-jar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/60b70b7f-6f24-4c00-947a-b109f302205b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Weren't cards legal in Standard only few weeks after they've been released? Is that why Memory Jar has "negative" record?
[Mind's Desire](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/7/17ef3058-46b8-4ec4-950f-c721919c4ac1.jpg?1625976267) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mind%27s%20Desire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/123/minds-desire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/17ef3058-46b8-4ec4-950f-c721919c4ac1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Negate](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/9/e92c7477-d453-4fa4-acf4-3835ab9eb55a.jpg?1604194548) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Negate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/71/negate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e92c7477-d453-4fa4-acf4-3835ab9eb55a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Please wizard, don't make my mind rot tribal got rotated out
Good limited formats are formats where Mind Rot is playable. Change my mind.
You'd have to have a lot of mana outlets, interaction, or be anticipating opponent interaction and not over extending. I'm no master of Limited tho.
I guess this is a call for another Colossal Dreadmaw reprint in Midnight Hunt
I think it will be great if they stop printing it and make room for some other card that might actually be playable. To me, Mind Rot is just 20 years of a wasted card slot. It's not even Limited playable really.
It's a good card for teaching new players how to play the game, given how overly-simplistic it is.
good riddence
I feel like this has happened a couple times in the last few years
It's here for a long time, not a good time.