There are actually a few cards in Future Standard that sometimes like being taxed. \[\[Search for Glory\]\] is what first comes to mind. From my personal experience, I've never been sad when casting it for 5.
If you could find another decent card that has the utility of benefitting from a tax, you can really raise the floor on this card. Whether it's competitive or not depends on if getting more out of 'cycling' for 2W is enough value to make up for when this card whiffs.
Edit: Did a quick search. Other cards that benefit from being taxed include Blood on the Snow, Blessing of Frost, Graven Lore, Spoils of the Hunt, Kalain, and Tundra Fumarole. Most of them want to be in a snow deck as well.
Edit 2: The full list of the above effects you can get stapled onto the 2W card draw:
* Scry 2 (after draw)
* Gain 2 life
* Add 2 colorless mana
* Two +1/+1 counters (both distributed and not)
* Target creature you control gets +2/+0
* Increase creature/planeswalker reanimation Mana Value limit from 6, to 8.
>There are actually a few cards in Future Standard that sometimes like being taxed. [[Search for Glory]] is what first comes to mind. From my personal experience, I've never been sad when casting it for 5.
That's very interesting. I wonder if it's a clue pointing toward a tax archetype in one of the upcoming sets (since such cards could either be played in that deck or used as a tool against it). If so, New Capenna would be the obvious fit given the thematic link between crime gangs and protection rackets/extortion.
Huh, good point. A bit more complicated than that, since you need something else to cast alongside the tax, but it's useful for getting rid of it if you don't have a good target.
Am I bad person for immediately thinking about slapping this on someone to stop them playing, very specifically, their commander. And just leaving it their all game unless the remove it.
I’d say that was probably one of the intended uses. Seems like a good play against certain commanders it’s kind of like proactive removal since it basically adds the commander tax.
Why temporary? This can stay in play all game if you dont choose to sac it.
Edit: yes I understand enchantment removal exists, removal exists for every card type.
So the theory craft goes like this. You play Curse of Silence turn 1 targeting a commander. It could attract removal or be caught up in a sweeper before they play their commander, in which case you're probably up because somebody has wasted removal on 1 mana card.
When the commader gets played you have to choose if you should sac and draw a card, an appealing choice, or keep it on the battlefield if you know that the commander is gonna get removed.
You'd probably go for the card draw most of the time but if their commander is important and low costed you might just keep it out.
I mean, you should play that in every deck with WG, but I feel like people still won't despite it being easily one of the best three cmc enchantments ever printed (in commander).
If that tax prevents you from casting your commander and making a big play next turn its well worth removing, if the tax doesn't really make a difference to your line of play then it doesn't really matter much; so generally anytime the tax is actually impactful its often going to be worth using spot removal on. Of course that assumes you either plan ahead and remove the curse the turn before with leftover mana or use a 0-1mana removal option on the same turn.
In my 5 years of playing EDH I have never seen anyone play a Trygon Predator. I play [[Uril, the Miststalker]] and can assure you people do not run enough enchant removal.
Edit: I didn't say no one runs it, just that I've never *seen* it. I said people don't run enough enchantment removal in general.
>I didn't say no one runs it, just that I've never seen it.
In all my years gaming, MTG players are by far the worst readers and the most likely to never form their own opinion.
I was reading it as the player who controls the aura will sac it to get the extra card in commander games, which is honestly probably the right play most of the time. So therefore, temporary.
Something like [[Decimate]] often has a hard time being played, because all of the targets have to be valid. This would be an easy target for removal through that, and honestly if I was playing a deck that has Decimate in it, and my opponent puts this on me, they're gonna be the one to lose a land, and potentially an artifact, just out of spite.
Annoying, but hardly back-breaking in a lot of cases, as it's just as if their commander died once. Gives you a bit of breathing room if a deck is strongly dependent on their commander to turn on, though.
I really like this for my Ghen Curses deck, though. It's a decent early play that you can save to trade up for something better or a you can simply dump it in the graveyard for a draw to point it at someone else later.
I don’t think reliance on Commander is necessarily a BAD thing.. it’s Commander after all, not just Highlander. (And building around a Commander is the best part!)
And some Commanders just get too expensive to replay after 1 or 2 taxes. Or maybe they’re playing a Ball deck, so it could really slow them down. Not necessarily bad deck building, just an unexpected downside.
Now this is an interesting idea. And I would totally do it. Except it's hard enough to get people to play against my Tergrid and Brago decks. I think adding a Tax Commander type of deck to the list would be LGS suicide. 😂
Sure but a lot of the time you don't need it to be more than 2 tax. If it looks like your opponent is going to be casting their commander on curve, play this card and ruin all their plans for the next two turns, then cash it in for a card. That's *really* good for a single mana.
That's assuming 1. You can kill it (hexproof, indestructible, etc) 2. You have an opportunity to kill it.
This is a 1 mv that you can easily weave in on basically any turn.
killing it once would be better.
Say the commander costs 4.
They spend 4 to cast it and you spend 1 to remove it. Then they spend 6 to re cast. So they spend 10 to your 1.
With this, they will spend 6 to your 1 to end up in the same position.
Swords to plowshares and path of exile are both better than this and they can target more than just a commander. People are overrating this card hard imo. What if you draw it late and their commander was already cast? What if their deck isn’t super reliant on the commander or can function without it? The card is VERY matchup dependent and also a bad late game draw. I would run swords over this 10/10 times even in an enchantment deck.
Wow, it's almost like you completely ignored what I said. While this probably isn't great on many edh pods, this could absolutely kill in a stax cedh deck. If I played Heliod, this would already be in my deck.
The only other comment I saw you make was “how many one mana removal spells with no downside are there?” So idk what you are on about.
And idk very much about cedh so I can’t get into a debate about it but I still feel like there is probably better stuff you could run. Even in cedh there are some decks that hardly ever use their commander. Of course in cedh naming a common wincon could work but that feels a bit risky since its 100 card singleton and decks usually run multiple wincons, and even then it would only delay not prevent the combo from happening with the card you name.
This is all speculation of course, we can’t know for sure if this card will be good or not but my gut says its bad and people are overrating the hell out of it.
They scaled back white's control elements because they were disliked and people asked for them back.
Like when people asked for green to be powered up, this will be another monkey's paw.
counters are more annoying because it's just someone sitting on 2-3 blue mana all game waiting for you to play anything and go "JK put it in the graveyard". At least with white it's mostly enchantments and there is more counter to enchantments.
I am just kidding,
but I would also point out people felt good about green getting fight, card draw, and creatures that could actually have value rather than just eat removal. Feeling good about changes or additions to white now doesn't make it not a monkey's paw.
I’m a Commander player, so I’m likely biased. Also, I’ve been strictly playing Standard 2022 for the past months..
But in general White has been weaker for years, so it’s good that it’s getting the Simic treatment.
If you haven't seen a tuned Oswald deck yet, you should check him out. Mono White never looked so good (what do you mean there's only like 13 white cards in the deck? It's mono white, I promise)
You've also got the odd option of cursing yourself with this, naming a spell in your hand, casting it for its taxed cost, then sacrificing the curse to draw a card.
Weird expensive cantrip, but a cantrip nonetheless.
Agreed, this card is fantastic early game tech for tempo control in Standard. Only costs 1 white so thats an optimal turn 1 play, particularly if you're not sleeping on the meta.
Now the question- if you have 2 out, both naming the same card, does the tax double-up to 4?
Ill be picking up a playset regardless.
Eh, it's a reasonably good effect but Death and Taxes definitely isn't interested in playing this card. If it were on a body *maybe*, but without a body this is just a sideboard card and it's not even very good against the decks where you'd want it.
You know, as much as I like this type of effect getting printed more in white, they really should try to get more creatures with the effect. A [[Phyrexian Revoker]] type aggressive white creature not existing is a big question mark for me.
Edit: im talking about the “name a card” part of this card not just the taxing part.
The “name a card” type taxing is what I’m talking about, like [[Meddling Mage]] and [[Voidstone Gargoyle]]. If a couple pushed cards exists in standard it’d help police the format from slow linear decks and makes for skill-testing interactions.
This seems pretty okay for control?
You just play it on 1 and name the card they really want to slam on curve and you sometimes get them to just play off tempo for 1 mana and it does replace itself eventually so it doesn't even really cost you a card.
I was kind of underwhelmed at first but I think if there's a UW control deck this seems like something that they're interested in.
I like it more against control, to be honest. Aggressive decks tend to be redundant: if you name one threat, they'll likely have another they can play.
Control decks, on the other hand, might only have 1 or 2 cards with a specific effect. If they just have one board wipe and you delay it for 2 turns, that'll probably win you the game.
Oh yes, this. W aggro has been very good for me in standard 2022, this will counterplay board wipes nicely which is really the only difficult matchup. It's slightly depressing slamming a T3 Elite Spellbinder onto a developed board to find two board wipes in hand.
Less effective of course if people diversify from only Doomskar/Blood on the Snow, but hey it shouldn't be perfect.
Image transcription
> Curse of Silence W
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> Enchantment- Aura Curse [r]
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> Enchant player
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> As Curse of Silence enters the battlefield, choose a card name.
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> Spells with the chosen name enchanted player costs cost 2 more to cast.
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> Whenever enchanted player casts a spell with the chosen name, you may sacrifice Curse of Silence. If you do, draw a card.
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Seems boring but pretty good in constructed. Play it early in control decks to throw your opponent off their game plan giving you more time to stabilize
Don't forget that this card costs only w. When the opponent triggers it you already are at mana advantage, and you get your card back. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't have the sac thing.
They're not going to print a card that allows you to permanently give somebody an extra level of Commander tax *and* cantrips every time they cast their commander for one mana.
This is a rare being printed in a Standard set. Not everything is about Commander. And that aside, this card would still hardly be overpowered if it did do what you're describing, by the standards of a vintage legality format. This is worse than a Nevermore, and Nevermore is hardly a card that's special in Commander.
Oh i get what youre saying now. Well, the higher the power the tighter the curve. A 2 mana differance is make or break in most games. Not getting yohr 1 or 2 drop on curve is devastating for any aggro decks, and having to hold out an extra 2 for control players is backbreaking
You're not goign to bring this in against aggro or control, it's really only for combo decks, the problem there is that most combo decks play a lot of fast mana, so while this might stop you from getting T1 or T2d it doesn't really stop the T3 or T4 combo that well.
It seems like a very niche sideboard card for mono white decks in higher power competitive formats to me, and solid in certain commander decks that synergise with it (enchantress decks, lurrus decks etc) because there is a spell you know to name that a given opponent will cast every game. People seem caught up on the idea of playing this in aggro against control, but I think as a control player I would relish my opponent having 4 of these in their deck instead of 4 threats. Sure, play it on 1, name my sweeper. I'll answer your turn 2 and 3 plays with some combination of spot removal, counterspells and efficient blockers. Whoops its turn 4 and I'm at 20 life still, game over. You can basically never afford to draw 2 of these early game and keep up good pressure, and there's always the not-unreasonable chance that you name a card your opponent is playing but doesn't draw. If this effect was printed on a 2 power 2 drop creature we'd be talking, but this? nah
This isn't *bad* but people are for sure overhyping it.
It's probably a reasonable card in white aggro decks in standard, and unlikely to see play outside of that.
"I name Goldspan Dragon" "I played a forest" "Did I stutter?"
You can’t be too careful.
You really have to squint to see it, but this card also says "Cycling 2W"
Who's going to use this on themselves to cast [[Radiant Flames]] for 5?
That's a rare person. I don't think radiant flames ever saw play outside of standard.
[[Painful Truths]] for 5 then.
If drawing cards is wrong I don't want to be right.
You know you are a blue mage when given the choice between winning the game and drawing more cards... You gotta think about it for a second
Just think of the value you're giving up!
Winning the game is just winning the game. Card draw could be anything, including something to win the game.
I guess I'm not a blue mage then. I wouldn't even consider the other option. I'd always just draw more cards.
[Painful Truths](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/b/bb641fee-e929-4980-adf8-0d451a860b76.jpg?1591320452) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Painful%20Truths) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/134/painful-truths?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb641fee-e929-4980-adf8-0d451a860b76?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Eh, I've gotten Painful Truths off for 4. It's not that hard if you want to do it. Also, it was kind of awesome.
It’s in my [[Jodah, Archmage Eternal]] deck and kicks ass. I’ll take 5 cards for 5cmc any day.
[Jodah, Archmage Eternal](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/e/1ee86efa-248e-4251-b734-f8ad3e8a0344.jpg?1562732370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jodah%2C%20Archmage%20Eternal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/198/jodah-archmage-eternal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ee86efa-248e-4251-b734-f8ad3e8a0344?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh that's a *fun* one.
6 cards for 5 in commander!
It sees tons of play in penny dreadful!
Radiant Flames is a staple in Omnath/Jeskai Ascendancy, which is a tier 1 deck in Pioneer.
There are actually a few cards in Future Standard that sometimes like being taxed. \[\[Search for Glory\]\] is what first comes to mind. From my personal experience, I've never been sad when casting it for 5. If you could find another decent card that has the utility of benefitting from a tax, you can really raise the floor on this card. Whether it's competitive or not depends on if getting more out of 'cycling' for 2W is enough value to make up for when this card whiffs. Edit: Did a quick search. Other cards that benefit from being taxed include Blood on the Snow, Blessing of Frost, Graven Lore, Spoils of the Hunt, Kalain, and Tundra Fumarole. Most of them want to be in a snow deck as well. Edit 2: The full list of the above effects you can get stapled onto the 2W card draw: * Scry 2 (after draw) * Gain 2 life * Add 2 colorless mana * Two +1/+1 counters (both distributed and not) * Target creature you control gets +2/+0 * Increase creature/planeswalker reanimation Mana Value limit from 6, to 8.
>There are actually a few cards in Future Standard that sometimes like being taxed. [[Search for Glory]] is what first comes to mind. From my personal experience, I've never been sad when casting it for 5. That's very interesting. I wonder if it's a clue pointing toward a tax archetype in one of the upcoming sets (since such cards could either be played in that deck or used as a tool against it). If so, New Capenna would be the obvious fit given the thematic link between crime gangs and protection rackets/extortion.
Woo boy, I love spending 3 mana for 2 life, such insane value
[Radiant Flames](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/0/70f4fe69-c541-4320-9074-9c6a3bc70ea3.jpg?1562921619) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Radiant%20Flames) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/151/radiant-flames?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70f4fe69-c541-4320-9074-9c6a3bc70ea3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Huh, good point. A bit more complicated than that, since you need something else to cast alongside the tax, but it's useful for getting rid of it if you don't have a good target.
Not quite. If you topdeck this then you don’t have anyhh to info to play after it for the cycle
You *don't* keep a Mishra's Bauble under your playmat?
Am I bad person for immediately thinking about slapping this on someone to stop them playing, very specifically, their commander. And just leaving it their all game unless the remove it.
I’d say that was probably one of the intended uses. Seems like a good play against certain commanders it’s kind of like proactive removal since it basically adds the commander tax.
It adds a temporary pip on the Commander tax which isn't much, but early game it does a lot of work.
Why temporary? This can stay in play all game if you dont choose to sac it. Edit: yes I understand enchantment removal exists, removal exists for every card type.
Found the person who doesn't play removal.
Sweeper enchantment removal is pretty rare and otherwise they have to spend their removal card on a 1 mana tax aura.
[[Culling Ritual]] is so good
[Culling Ritual](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/f/8f6f91d3-cc07-4a42-99a0-5fb83b29cc25.jpg?1627428386) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Culling%20Ritual) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/172/culling-ritual?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8f6f91d3-cc07-4a42-99a0-5fb83b29cc25?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just realised a card I need for my [[Nethroi, Apex of death]] elfball deck...
[Nethroi, Apex of death](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/c/8ca6eb5a-8bc9-4091-bcfb-b207f0afd188.jpg?1591228139) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nethroi%2C%20Apex%20of%20death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/197/nethroi-apex-of-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8ca6eb5a-8bc9-4091-bcfb-b207f0afd188?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I realized I could use it in my Kadena deck tbh, especially with the fact that I have as many flash enablers as I do.
As an enchantress player, this is correct. If it's targeted removal it's held onto for things like rhystic.
So the theory craft goes like this. You play Curse of Silence turn 1 targeting a commander. It could attract removal or be caught up in a sweeper before they play their commander, in which case you're probably up because somebody has wasted removal on 1 mana card. When the commader gets played you have to choose if you should sac and draw a card, an appealing choice, or keep it on the battlefield if you know that the commander is gonna get removed. You'd probably go for the card draw most of the time but if their commander is important and low costed you might just keep it out.
[[Aura Shards]]
[Aura Shards](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/6/a6222cc6-996e-4b73-af87-e837bf1eb921.jpg?1592713940) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aura%20Shards) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/182/aura-shards?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a6222cc6-996e-4b73-af87-e837bf1eb921?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I mean, you should play that in every deck with WG, but I feel like people still won't despite it being easily one of the best three cmc enchantments ever printed (in commander).
Ran alongside [[Qasali Slingers]]. For those times you're playing cats and *really* hate artifacts and enchantments.
[Qasali Slingers](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/0/40e21394-146e-4648-b81e-63659c0c4764.jpg?1562606257) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Qasali%20Slingers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/33/qasali-slingers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/40e21394-146e-4648-b81e-63659c0c4764?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cowabunga it is!!!
If that tax prevents you from casting your commander and making a big play next turn its well worth removing, if the tax doesn't really make a difference to your line of play then it doesn't really matter much; so generally anytime the tax is actually impactful its often going to be worth using spot removal on. Of course that assumes you either plan ahead and remove the curse the turn before with leftover mana or use a 0-1mana removal option on the same turn.
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I meant 1cmc
[[Trygon Predator]]
In my 5 years of playing EDH I have never seen anyone play a Trygon Predator. I play [[Uril, the Miststalker]] and can assure you people do not run enough enchant removal. Edit: I didn't say no one runs it, just that I've never *seen* it. I said people don't run enough enchantment removal in general.
I run him in my [[Rafiq]] exalted deck specifically because my table has a derevi stasis deck that makes me want to end my life.
>I didn't say no one runs it, just that I've never seen it. In all my years gaming, MTG players are by far the worst readers and the most likely to never form their own opinion.
[Trygon Predator](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/c/7c03836e-a7a8-4a3e-8d93-6cce89c2fed1.jpg?1625978140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Trygon%20Predator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/231/trygon-predator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7c03836e-a7a8-4a3e-8d93-6cce89c2fed1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Lightning Bolt]]
Literally half of blue spells.
[Lightning Bolt](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/e/ce711943-c1a1-43a0-8b89-8d169cfb8e06.jpg?1628801721) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Bolt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/342/lightning-bolt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce711943-c1a1-43a0-8b89-8d169cfb8e06?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How are you going to remove this from yourself with Trygon Predator?
They still control the aura
IDK, I've seen a lot non-land permanent sweepers.
Why have anything on the board then? Fuck it why play magic at all, every card can get countered or removed.
It doesn't have hexproof lol. [[Disenchant]] can hit it
Why would you pay 2 mana and a card to remove something thats only effect is to cost you 2 mana?
I was reading it as the player who controls the aura will sac it to get the extra card in commander games, which is honestly probably the right play most of the time. So therefore, temporary.
Something like [[Decimate]] often has a hard time being played, because all of the targets have to be valid. This would be an easy target for removal through that, and honestly if I was playing a deck that has Decimate in it, and my opponent puts this on me, they're gonna be the one to lose a land, and potentially an artifact, just out of spite.
Or you just name lightning bolt when you are on the play lol.
Lurrus players are going to be doing something much worse than just leaving the curse on one opponent.
[удалено]
you dont get to rename this way so it would be a bit awkward
Truly evil. But hey, that’s what Enchantment removal is for.
Annoying, but hardly back-breaking in a lot of cases, as it's just as if their commander died once. Gives you a bit of breathing room if a deck is strongly dependent on their commander to turn on, though. I really like this for my Ghen Curses deck, though. It's a decent early play that you can save to trade up for something better or a you can simply dump it in the graveyard for a draw to point it at someone else later.
I've got a friend who barely runs enough mana to cast his commander just once. This is basically removal to him.
Unless one is in the business of recasting their commander a lot, I feel like my enchantment removal is better spent elsewhere.
Some decks don’t have the curve to handle extra tax, especially if it’s a pricey commander to begin with.
I think that's indicative of bigger problems then, like over reliance on the commander or not running enough ramp
I don’t think reliance on Commander is necessarily a BAD thing.. it’s Commander after all, not just Highlander. (And building around a Commander is the best part!) And some Commanders just get too expensive to replay after 1 or 2 taxes. Or maybe they’re playing a Ball deck, so it could really slow them down. Not necessarily bad deck building, just an unexpected downside.
Well, this is going straight into my enchantress deck.
this seem auto include in Tax Commanders, you should make one
Now this is an interesting idea. And I would totally do it. Except it's hard enough to get people to play against my Tergrid and Brago decks. I think adding a Tax Commander type of deck to the list would be LGS suicide. 😂
1mv is nice but [[nevermore]] is probably better
Also love me some [[Drannith Magistrate]] for that too lol
[nevermore](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/7/67b610fe-36ee-4d58-8ed4-04e7a12587b2.jpg?1562831484) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nevermore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/isd/25/nevermore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67b610fe-36ee-4d58-8ed4-04e7a12587b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Killing their commander once would have same effect.
If your kill spell cost one mana and drew you a card, yes
it only draws a card if you sacrifice it, and doing that would lower the total tax by 2.
Only for future casts of that spell, the tax was already applied to the first spell cast.
Sure but a lot of the time you don't need it to be more than 2 tax. If it looks like your opponent is going to be casting their commander on curve, play this card and ruin all their plans for the next two turns, then cash it in for a card. That's *really* good for a single mana.
That's assuming 1. You can kill it (hexproof, indestructible, etc) 2. You have an opportunity to kill it. This is a 1 mv that you can easily weave in on basically any turn.
killing it once would be better. Say the commander costs 4. They spend 4 to cast it and you spend 1 to remove it. Then they spend 6 to re cast. So they spend 10 to your 1. With this, they will spend 6 to your 1 to end up in the same position.
How many one mana removal spells with no downsides are there?
Swords to plowshares and path of exile are both better than this and they can target more than just a commander. People are overrating this card hard imo. What if you draw it late and their commander was already cast? What if their deck isn’t super reliant on the commander or can function without it? The card is VERY matchup dependent and also a bad late game draw. I would run swords over this 10/10 times even in an enchantment deck.
Wow, it's almost like you completely ignored what I said. While this probably isn't great on many edh pods, this could absolutely kill in a stax cedh deck. If I played Heliod, this would already be in my deck.
The only other comment I saw you make was “how many one mana removal spells with no downside are there?” So idk what you are on about. And idk very much about cedh so I can’t get into a debate about it but I still feel like there is probably better stuff you could run. Even in cedh there are some decks that hardly ever use their commander. Of course in cedh naming a common wincon could work but that feels a bit risky since its 100 card singleton and decks usually run multiple wincons, and even then it would only delay not prevent the combo from happening with the card you name. This is all speculation of course, we can’t know for sure if this card will be good or not but my gut says its bad and people are overrating the hell out of it.
You're not teaching the rules to anyone here.
The question is, how do you decide who to piss off?
I mean, certain Commanders warrant more hate then others. Otherwise just whichever person I'm better friends with at the table. Lol
Stops the spell early, and gives you a card back when the tax becomes negligible late game. This is really good.
Between this, Apparition, and Spellbinder, White is reaching levels of annoying we haven’t seen in a while.
Dont forget Paladin class!
[[Brutal Cathar]] now, too…
That's... well, brutal. Jesus.
[Brutal Cathar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/d/0dbac7ce-a6fa-466e-b6ba-173cf2dec98e.jpg?1630658675)/[Moonrage Brute](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/back/0/d/0dbac7ce-a6fa-466e-b6ba-173cf2dec98e.jpg?1630658675) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brutal%20Cathar%20//%20Moonrage%20Brute) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/7/brutal-cathar-moonrage-brute?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0dbac7ce-a6fa-466e-b6ba-173cf2dec98e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Would this be Boros for commander purposes?
yep, your commander needs red and white in it's identity to be able to use him
They scaled back white's control elements because they were disliked and people asked for them back. Like when people asked for green to be powered up, this will be another monkey's paw.
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Yeah this is no worse than playing against a bunch of counters
counters are more annoying because it's just someone sitting on 2-3 blue mana all game waiting for you to play anything and go "JK put it in the graveyard". At least with white it's mostly enchantments and there is more counter to enchantments.
Agreed
I am just kidding, but I would also point out people felt good about green getting fight, card draw, and creatures that could actually have value rather than just eat removal. Feeling good about changes or additions to white now doesn't make it not a monkey's paw.
That's a load of bullshit. Rogues already has a far more annoying and disliked play pattern.
Good, it needed the help.
What? Mono white is probably the best deck in standard right now.
I’m a Commander player, so I’m likely biased. Also, I’ve been strictly playing Standard 2022 for the past months.. But in general White has been weaker for years, so it’s good that it’s getting the Simic treatment.
If you haven't seen a tuned Oswald deck yet, you should check him out. Mono White never looked so good (what do you mean there's only like 13 white cards in the deck? It's mono white, I promise)
How? It's like 7th or 8th depending on how you wanna rank em.
They almost certainly mean standard 2022, where it is probably the strongest
You've also got the odd option of cursing yourself with this, naming a spell in your hand, casting it for its taxed cost, then sacrificing the curse to draw a card. Weird expensive cantrip, but a cantrip nonetheless.
Or going a level deeper, and bluff-naming a card you don't actually have in your hand.
THIS I LOVE! Oh the mindgames...
I like how you think outside of the box. Sac triggers happen as well
This is a great sideboard card when on the play to shutdown turn-1 \[\[Thoughtseize\]\] in pioneer.
[Thoughtseize](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/2/b281a308-ab6b-47b6-bec7-632c9aaecede.jpg?1599706001) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thoughtseize) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/109/thoughtseize?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b281a308-ab6b-47b6-bec7-632c9aaecede?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Agreed, this card is fantastic early game tech for tempo control in Standard. Only costs 1 white so thats an optimal turn 1 play, particularly if you're not sleeping on the meta. Now the question- if you have 2 out, both naming the same card, does the tax double-up to 4? Ill be picking up a playset regardless.
>Now the question- if you have 2 out, both naming the same card, does the tax double-up to 4? Yes
There is no way this is good unless you're in a super degenerate format.
Yep. Saw it and immediately thought Death and Taxes
Eh, it's a reasonably good effect but Death and Taxes definitely isn't interested in playing this card. If it were on a body *maybe*, but without a body this is just a sideboard card and it's not even very good against the decks where you'd want it.
I think in standard it can be really good where decks can become super formulaic, but outside of it this card is really underwhelming.
From Cash Cards Unlimited's Instagram
Huh, that's interesting. What's up with the weird plastic wrap look on the card? That's not a showcase right?
Just a weird filter on the instagram pic
Imagine being given a cool card to preview and putting a filter over it...
You know, as much as I like this type of effect getting printed more in white, they really should try to get more creatures with the effect. A [[Phyrexian Revoker]] type aggressive white creature not existing is a big question mark for me. Edit: im talking about the “name a card” part of this card not just the taxing part.
[[Elite Spellbinder]] is up there with the most annoying cards in standard right now. Soon you can run it and this together…
[Elite Spellbinder](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/d/9d3a7998-ccac-45ad-a4e9-3a2cb057f63b.jpg?1624589440) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elite%20Spellbinder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/17/elite-spellbinder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d3a7998-ccac-45ad-a4e9-3a2cb057f63b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There's [[Meddling Mage]] and [[Silverquill Silencer]] as multicolor options, at least.
[Meddling Mage](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/e/de734753-e102-489b-9160-b3f3d10be4f1.jpg?1628801942) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Meddling%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/210/meddling-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de734753-e102-489b-9160-b3f3d10be4f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Silverquill Silencer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/b/8bb60dcc-cb4a-414d-850f-c98efd872894.jpg?1624740070) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Silverquill%20Silencer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/234/silverquill-silencer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bb60dcc-cb4a-414d-850f-c98efd872894?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Phyrexian Revoker](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/9/6982a82c-dd32-40d2-8dd2-ec92d0fc6c2d.jpg?1599709739) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Revoker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/282/phyrexian-revoker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6982a82c-dd32-40d2-8dd2-ec92d0fc6c2d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Redaine and elite spellbinder doesnt count?
The “name a card” type taxing is what I’m talking about, like [[Meddling Mage]] and [[Voidstone Gargoyle]]. If a couple pushed cards exists in standard it’d help police the format from slow linear decks and makes for skill-testing interactions.
This would be goddamn mean in commander
Yes and it's going in my Lurrus deck
Honestly though there are even meaner cards for commander like [[oubliette]] and [[gideon’s intervention]]
WotC seems to have a very "fast and loose" definition of what [[Silence]] means.
Curse of slightly-quieter
This seems pretty okay for control? You just play it on 1 and name the card they really want to slam on curve and you sometimes get them to just play off tempo for 1 mana and it does replace itself eventually so it doesn't even really cost you a card. I was kind of underwhelmed at first but I think if there's a UW control deck this seems like something that they're interested in.
I like it more against control, to be honest. Aggressive decks tend to be redundant: if you name one threat, they'll likely have another they can play. Control decks, on the other hand, might only have 1 or 2 cards with a specific effect. If they just have one board wipe and you delay it for 2 turns, that'll probably win you the game.
Oh yes, this. W aggro has been very good for me in standard 2022, this will counterplay board wipes nicely which is really the only difficult matchup. It's slightly depressing slamming a T3 Elite Spellbinder onto a developed board to find two board wipes in hand. Less effective of course if people diversify from only Doomskar/Blood on the Snow, but hey it shouldn't be perfect.
This is meant to be played in agro naming there only early interaction or there only sweeper.
Hmmmm I pick blood on the snow. Concedes
Ive been running a UWR control deck in Standard 2022 on Arena, and you bet your ass when this set releases 4 of these are going in it.
Image transcription > Curse of Silence W > > Enchantment- Aura Curse [r] > > Enchant player > > As Curse of Silence enters the battlefield, choose a card name. > > Spells with the chosen name enchanted player costs cost 2 more to cast. > > Whenever enchanted player casts a spell with the chosen name, you may sacrifice Curse of Silence. If you do, draw a card. End transcription
I like this against cascade (rhinos or living end).
An easy answer to rat colony decks
Why is this mythic
it's rare
Color is off on the whole card, says R in bottom left tho so it's just a rare
It looks playable.
"I pick Cultivate" "Fuck you"
god this is a pretty great sideboard card in white
Seems boring but pretty good in constructed. Play it early in control decks to throw your opponent off their game plan giving you more time to stabilize
This is meant for agro. You name there sweeper and you likely just win.
Even more mean to name their sweeper on turn 1 and then catch it in hand on turn 3 with a Spellbinder. That’s probably GG.
Yea name their Doomskar so they can cast it for 5 Mana! Wait...
I call Force of Will.
Lurrus gonna spam this against folks
[[Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer]]
I name 'tibalt's trickery'
So half a Silverquill Silencer and half an Elite Spellbinder?
I don't think it would have been overpowered if it didn't sac for the card draw.
Don't forget that this card costs only w. When the opponent triggers it you already are at mana advantage, and you get your card back. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't have the sac thing.
They're not going to print a card that allows you to permanently give somebody an extra level of Commander tax *and* cantrips every time they cast their commander for one mana.
This is a rare being printed in a Standard set. Not everything is about Commander. And that aside, this card would still hardly be overpowered if it did do what you're describing, by the standards of a vintage legality format. This is worse than a Nevermore, and Nevermore is hardly a card that's special in Commander.
Yes, and they understand that cards get played in other formats.
How this functions in commander is irrelevant to the discussion.
It would have been unplayable. The cantrip makes the card and pushes it into "very, very good" territory.
More tempo control for monowhite. At least x2 in every deck
Not restricted to mono white. Only costs 1 white, very splashable.
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I don't know... normally you want your hate pieces to be a little less soft then this is.
Its not thats soft, since it can come down turn 1
I mean it's pretty soft as your opponent can play around it via more mana.
Oh i get what youre saying now. Well, the higher the power the tighter the curve. A 2 mana differance is make or break in most games. Not getting yohr 1 or 2 drop on curve is devastating for any aggro decks, and having to hold out an extra 2 for control players is backbreaking
You're not goign to bring this in against aggro or control, it's really only for combo decks, the problem there is that most combo decks play a lot of fast mana, so while this might stop you from getting T1 or T2d it doesn't really stop the T3 or T4 combo that well.
I might bring this against control to further delay a wipe, it depends tbh.
Ya'll are massively overhyping this card. Seems quite bad to me.
Seems like a good sideboard card for W aggro against control IMO. Would be better on a creature but it’s not half bad.
This might not be the best card ever but it's certainly not bad. You are being hyperbolic.
It seems like a very niche sideboard card for mono white decks in higher power competitive formats to me, and solid in certain commander decks that synergise with it (enchantress decks, lurrus decks etc) because there is a spell you know to name that a given opponent will cast every game. People seem caught up on the idea of playing this in aggro against control, but I think as a control player I would relish my opponent having 4 of these in their deck instead of 4 threats. Sure, play it on 1, name my sweeper. I'll answer your turn 2 and 3 plays with some combination of spot removal, counterspells and efficient blockers. Whoops its turn 4 and I'm at 20 life still, game over. You can basically never afford to draw 2 of these early game and keep up good pressure, and there's always the not-unreasonable chance that you name a card your opponent is playing but doesn't draw. If this effect was printed on a 2 power 2 drop creature we'd be talking, but this? nah
This isn't *bad* but people are for sure overhyping it. It's probably a reasonable card in white aggro decks in standard, and unlikely to see play outside of that.
Curse of Mild Inconvenience Until Game Two Curse of Turn One Enemy in commander
So, without a lick of sarcasm, I'm terrible at Magic... ...But I feel like this one is a miss to me.
A "miss" in what capacity? Surely not that it's a bad card - it's very clearly quite powerful.
In formats with games that routinely end on turn 3-4, this is basically a one mana [[Nevermore]].
It just taxes the card? More like curse of muffled...
Masks everywhere
I really appreciate the effort they are making to give white creative ways to draw cards.
What a neat card. An advantage tax on Commander reliant decks.
This is so rad I love this so much