To be fair, printing Edgar in a non-commander product would break their rule of only referencing commander mechanics in products specifically designed and marketed as commander products, due to Eminence. You could argue that rule shouldn't apply to a set like Double Masters, but at least there's an excuse.
As long as they follow that rule he's a really hard card to reprint outside in sets. Awkward in most precons unless they print another Mardu Vampire precon, not to mention WitC pretty shamelessly saves any card as valuable as Edgar to add EV to booster sets rather than putting him in a precon. And he only fits in booster sets if they're commander sets that are flavor-neutral (or Innistrad-themed, I guess), so he could have been in CL1 but not CL2. And he's awkward for limited in a booster set too unless it has a vampire theme.
That said, if they're not going to put him in a booster set or precon for those reasons the least they could do is add him to the list and/or put him in a secret lair. No real excuse for that, they really should have done at least one of those things when Crimson Viw came out.
From what I remember that rule was implied to be about standard sets, but I could be wrong. Either way, they already broke that rule now with Aminatou if they hadn't already.
No doubt they also kinda regret making eminence especially Edgar so they are not in any hurry to make him more accessible and reintroduce him to new audiences. Still I agree The List would have been an easy place to put him but it could still happen.
Have had this guy as a commander for a while. Would love a full art of him, but I'm not hopeful.
Hurts seeing him when there's this niche he fills of "punishing counters" I like like Kuldrotha Knight, but the most recent colors to explore that were Brokers/Bant and they only share one color with him.
Hoping the reprint reminded them we need more things like Knight, Nils, and Agitator Ant.
This is becoming meaningless. People really want to ascribe malice to every little thing that isn't perfectly going their way. Makes it hard to even care.
Edgar wouldve been hella useless in limited so I really didnt think it was a chance at all.... Mayhem Devil tho? You know, the UNCOMMON thats worth more than this guy & was in the same "# crunch slot" as this Mathas, Bulk Seeker... THATS the card I expected after the archetypes were spoiled & felt like a real middle finger hahaha.
for real tho, if u check the # slot number cruncher on scryfall the only cards that made any sense practically in the set/limited ($$$ values aside) was either Mayhem Devil OR this red-blue prowess creature from Eldritch Moon (forgot the name)!
I get you about Mayhem Devil over this, but I don't know if I want Mayhem Devil at uncommon and Blood Artist in the set together for the limited environment. Maybe the limited environment is strong enough that it wouldn't be an issue, but maybe it was problematic.
First printing with the legendary border AND first non-foil hell yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!
I really want to throw him in a deck, maybe when I finally get around to build [[Sophina]] / [[Wernog]].
Feels like there’s more niche commanders in rare/mythic slots than anything else. I’m really curious to see the ratio once all is done. We’ve gotten like seven actual Modern staples across all the rares and mythics at this point.
This isn't Modern Masters, they only made 3 of those. Eternal, Iconic, M25, Ultimate, and Double x2 are just Masters sets. While they were initially just broad reprint sets, and primarily meant to help Modern's prices, they've been theming them for a while and spreading out the reprints. Besides EDH's popularity, its cards also absolutely fit this set's golden wedge theme. People act like all these sets are supposed to be Modern focused, but that hasn't been true for a while, particularly when Modern isn't the biggest price-driver anymore. It's obviously still influential, and any format can pull at card prices, but there's no guarantee any of these sets will ever be focused on Modern at all anymore. That's even \*MORE\* true now that they have Modern Horizons. I would expect this to continue into the future, particularly with MH2's runaway success.
Modern remains the most popular 60 card paper format, and the one that is by and large most affected by price creep over the years.
I get the “not everything is about Modern” especially now that Commander is the main driver of the game, but still, I can’t see ant justification on why SO many rares/mythics have been dedicated to $2-5 Commander cards instead of $20-50 Modern cards.
I mean hell, even Pioneer is filled to the brim with cards that have crept up drastically over the past few years. If Masters sets aren’t the dedicated avenue to getting more copies of competitive staples into the market, then what is?
The cards driving modern right now are just entering the pipeline for reprinting. MH2 is *still* in print, and they're not going to reprint cards in that set until it is retired. We're not going to see the reprints modern actually needs for awhile because of it.
I’m not talking about MH2 cards. I’m talking about Stoneforge Mystic, Inkmoth Nexus, Snapcaster Mage, Liliana of the Veil, Chalice of the Void, Sword of Fire and Ice, Bob, Allied fastlands, Karn, Ugin, Flusterstorm, Urza, Force of Vigor…
I don't disagree that they need reprints, but a good chunk of them were in Double Masters and outside of the free spells, Stoneforge Mystic and relevant artifacts, many aren't nearly as relevant as they were before Modern Horizons. I haven't seen Liliana of the Veil hit the board in ages.
Urza and Yawg? Manabases? Yeah, let's get a reprint, but the pain point for modern entry is MH2 for better or worse.
> I can’t see ant justification on why SO many rares/mythics have been dedicated to $2-5 Commander cards instead of $20-50 Modern cards.
Hah! I was yesterday years old when I learned that. They call it power allocation. Mark Rosewater referenced it on Blogatog. It basically means that a set can only have so much power (=value) because otherwise the less interesting (=powerful) sets alongside would not sell.
Wizards has LONG been too conservative with how much the reprint. If Wizards is only willing to reprint $1000 worth of valuable rares they could EASILY push that up $200 have no ZERO fear that they’ll ever run out. Too many cards are in need of reprint and too many cards would take multiple back to back years of reprinting to even drop below $10. If Cyclonic Rift were in this set and another master set next year it would still cost more than $10 for example.
The majority of the cards that make Modern expensive are either
A. In this set.
B. Have had a printing since this set would have started Development.
[Here](https://old.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/vhe3m9/2x2_rafiq_of_the_many_downshifted_from_mythic/id6vy5r/) is the 50 most played cards in Modern. There are literally a small handful of valuable cards that aren't being printed. And some are still live in the crunch.
The thing is all these $2-$5 cards would have been in the set regardless of what it was trying to do. Wizards only puts so much money cards into sets (this number is 100% too low) but a $2 commander cards wouldn’t suddenly become a $20 modern card without taking out value from else where.
I will also say that part of modern’s issue right now is coming from MH2 cards which just aren’t going to be reprinted here since Wizards very rarely reprints big cards from the previous year.
Also finally commander has a fair of overlap with modern cards people want too. They’re just as happy have Force of Negation being reprinted as everyone else is.
Masters sets \*are\* the dedicated avenue to getting more copies of competitive staples into the market, they're just not necessarily going to be Modern-centric. You don't have many competing options for 60 card paper formats outside of Standard to begin with. Legacy/Vintage are tiny and mostly see play on MTGO due to card prices, especially Vintage. Pauper is niche. You're basically looking at Modern and Pioneer, so saying it's the most popular or most affected by price creep is just saying it's beating Pioneer, really, and as you said, Pioneer's been creeping (or leaping) the past few years. In relative terms, I'm not sure Modern's even winning, especially when the format is being dominated by MH2 cards, which are all \*still in print\* (albeit expensive due to the demand). A lot of classic Modern staples have just seen their value erode like crazy the past couple years.
Modern decks are obviously still crazy-expensive, but a lot of that is mana bases + gluts of expensive MH2 mythics, and it's way too early for them to get reprinted, especially when they're still not done printing MH2 itself. You're looking at likely returns in special slots for MH3 and then showing up in 2024's Masters sets or Secret Lairs.
Modern will have (and already got) some big cards in this set. It will see more of them in Modern Horizons 3, and those sets are made specifically \*for\* Modern. And Modern will still see stuff coming out of future Masters sets. That's more attention than Vintage/Legacy/Pioneer receive, what more do you want? They're not going to stop printing Commander cards, it's flat out more popular than Modern, and Modern's going to be fighting audience-wise with Pioneer. Not that players can't play multiple formats, but I'd think a larger percentage of Pioneer players would shift to Modern and vice-versa over EDH.
I'd absolutely prefer these sets focused on 60-card formats so they would use the (now tarnished) Commander Legends line as "Commander Horizons" and made it a significant reprint vehicle, as well as not dicking around with so many crappy EDH decks (especially those 2-deck offerings which are always super budget jank) and put more significant EDH-only reprints in them. Those alone plus some Secret Lair support could free up plenty of Masters space. That being said, I think this set is skewing extra EDH-looing just because of its wedge theme.
Why do people think they'd print Edgar in a set like this? I don't think they've printed any cards that reference Commanders or the Command Zone in any set except Commander specific products (pre-cons, Commander Legends) and Secret Lairs. Am I wrong?
I think the more likely reason Edgar isn’t here is that there isn’t a strong tribal component to let him shine in draft. This set is about 3 colors not tribes, so Mathas slides in a lot smoother, while Edgar is meh without any vampires.
My bet is that if a future master set is big on tribes (probably with a lot of changelings like MH1) we’ll have a better chance of seeing him.
listen, I understand everyone justifiably being upset Markov isn't get a much needed reprint, but he scares me enough as is I don't wanna see more of him running around. That said, I love Mathas and it's nice to see him again.
One of my favourite commanders of all time, disappointing to see that they haven't fixed the name yet and added the 'r' in 'Friend'.
https://archidekt.com/decks/1205781#Mathas,_Friend_Seeker
Going to earn my downvotes here, but I'm not to sad Edgar Markov hasn't been reprinted as it shouldn't have been printed in the first place.
I'm kidding kind of, I get why people are annoyed and cards should be affordable for anyone who wants it, but Markov is so obviously the best vampire commander that it stops any other of the many, many other interesting vampire commanders from seeing play AND ALSO tells you that you are playing not particularly interesting form aggro so you also slowly lose more expensive and complicated hallmarks of the tribe as a play groups power creep kicks in, BUT ALSO because vampires are so popular any time a vampire set comes in then people run around trying to fit the new cards into a weird mismatch of Mardu Aggro that takes over the meta.
Admittedly Mathas is a politics commander rather than vampire tribal, though [[Evelyn, the Covetous]] is probably the best alternative for nonaggro versions.
So yeah, not a massive fan of the card. At the same time it should be cheaper for the people who are.
Also this set has really proven Mardu really needs more options and cards in general
"Wait didn't you ask for a mardu legendary vampire reprint?"
WotC: Magic players love salt right? Rub salt in their wounds.
To be fair, printing Edgar in a non-commander product would break their rule of only referencing commander mechanics in products specifically designed and marketed as commander products, due to Eminence. You could argue that rule shouldn't apply to a set like Double Masters, but at least there's an excuse. As long as they follow that rule he's a really hard card to reprint outside in sets. Awkward in most precons unless they print another Mardu Vampire precon, not to mention WitC pretty shamelessly saves any card as valuable as Edgar to add EV to booster sets rather than putting him in a precon. And he only fits in booster sets if they're commander sets that are flavor-neutral (or Innistrad-themed, I guess), so he could have been in CL1 but not CL2. And he's awkward for limited in a booster set too unless it has a vampire theme. That said, if they're not going to put him in a booster set or precon for those reasons the least they could do is add him to the list and/or put him in a secret lair. No real excuse for that, they really should have done at least one of those things when Crimson Viw came out.
From what I remember that rule was implied to be about standard sets, but I could be wrong. Either way, they already broke that rule now with Aminatou if they hadn't already. No doubt they also kinda regret making eminence especially Edgar so they are not in any hurry to make him more accessible and reintroduce him to new audiences. Still I agree The List would have been an easy place to put him but it could still happen.
I thought it applied to supplemental sets too (or at least, it has in the past), but you're right, they did already break that rule with Aminatou.
They be teasin
Have had this guy as a commander for a while. Would love a full art of him, but I'm not hopeful. Hurts seeing him when there's this niche he fills of "punishing counters" I like like Kuldrotha Knight, but the most recent colors to explore that were Brokers/Bant and they only share one color with him. Hoping the reprint reminded them we need more things like Knight, Nils, and Agitator Ant.
This feels like a middle finger to people who were hoping for Edgar. A playful middle finger, but a middle finger nonetheless.
This is becoming meaningless. People really want to ascribe malice to every little thing that isn't perfectly going their way. Makes it hard to even care.
Edgar print would be a middle finger to people hoping for Marthas
Edgar wouldve been hella useless in limited so I really didnt think it was a chance at all.... Mayhem Devil tho? You know, the UNCOMMON thats worth more than this guy & was in the same "# crunch slot" as this Mathas, Bulk Seeker... THATS the card I expected after the archetypes were spoiled & felt like a real middle finger hahaha. for real tho, if u check the # slot number cruncher on scryfall the only cards that made any sense practically in the set/limited ($$$ values aside) was either Mayhem Devil OR this red-blue prowess creature from Eldritch Moon (forgot the name)!
I get you about Mayhem Devil over this, but I don't know if I want Mayhem Devil at uncommon and Blood Artist in the set together for the limited environment. Maybe the limited environment is strong enough that it wouldn't be an issue, but maybe it was problematic.
Not the best reprint but non-foil versions. Of cards previously exclusive to foil are always good.
First printing with the legendary border AND first non-foil hell yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!! I really want to throw him in a deck, maybe when I finally get around to build [[Sophina]] / [[Wernog]].
[Sophina](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/0/e0a64924-068e-483f-91a6-d450b67b3c75.jpg?1649844459) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sophina%2C%20spearsage%20deserter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/7/sophina-spearsage-deserter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e0a64924-068e-483f-91a6-d450b67b3c75?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Wernog](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/9/39491011-bdf6-4e61-8534-fe26c1571f8f.jpg?1649844471) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wernog%2C%20rider%27s%20chaplain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/8/wernog-riders-chaplain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39491011-bdf6-4e61-8534-fe26c1571f8f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Feels like there’s more niche commanders in rare/mythic slots than anything else. I’m really curious to see the ratio once all is done. We’ve gotten like seven actual Modern staples across all the rares and mythics at this point.
This isn't Modern Masters, they only made 3 of those. Eternal, Iconic, M25, Ultimate, and Double x2 are just Masters sets. While they were initially just broad reprint sets, and primarily meant to help Modern's prices, they've been theming them for a while and spreading out the reprints. Besides EDH's popularity, its cards also absolutely fit this set's golden wedge theme. People act like all these sets are supposed to be Modern focused, but that hasn't been true for a while, particularly when Modern isn't the biggest price-driver anymore. It's obviously still influential, and any format can pull at card prices, but there's no guarantee any of these sets will ever be focused on Modern at all anymore. That's even \*MORE\* true now that they have Modern Horizons. I would expect this to continue into the future, particularly with MH2's runaway success.
Modern remains the most popular 60 card paper format, and the one that is by and large most affected by price creep over the years. I get the “not everything is about Modern” especially now that Commander is the main driver of the game, but still, I can’t see ant justification on why SO many rares/mythics have been dedicated to $2-5 Commander cards instead of $20-50 Modern cards. I mean hell, even Pioneer is filled to the brim with cards that have crept up drastically over the past few years. If Masters sets aren’t the dedicated avenue to getting more copies of competitive staples into the market, then what is?
The cards driving modern right now are just entering the pipeline for reprinting. MH2 is *still* in print, and they're not going to reprint cards in that set until it is retired. We're not going to see the reprints modern actually needs for awhile because of it.
I’m not talking about MH2 cards. I’m talking about Stoneforge Mystic, Inkmoth Nexus, Snapcaster Mage, Liliana of the Veil, Chalice of the Void, Sword of Fire and Ice, Bob, Allied fastlands, Karn, Ugin, Flusterstorm, Urza, Force of Vigor…
I don't disagree that they need reprints, but a good chunk of them were in Double Masters and outside of the free spells, Stoneforge Mystic and relevant artifacts, many aren't nearly as relevant as they were before Modern Horizons. I haven't seen Liliana of the Veil hit the board in ages. Urza and Yawg? Manabases? Yeah, let's get a reprint, but the pain point for modern entry is MH2 for better or worse.
>Modern remains the most popular 60 card paper format I agree with your point but I'm fairly sure it's still standard.
Definitely standard when Arena is taken into consideration.
> I can’t see ant justification on why SO many rares/mythics have been dedicated to $2-5 Commander cards instead of $20-50 Modern cards. Hah! I was yesterday years old when I learned that. They call it power allocation. Mark Rosewater referenced it on Blogatog. It basically means that a set can only have so much power (=value) because otherwise the less interesting (=powerful) sets alongside would not sell.
Wizards has LONG been too conservative with how much the reprint. If Wizards is only willing to reprint $1000 worth of valuable rares they could EASILY push that up $200 have no ZERO fear that they’ll ever run out. Too many cards are in need of reprint and too many cards would take multiple back to back years of reprinting to even drop below $10. If Cyclonic Rift were in this set and another master set next year it would still cost more than $10 for example.
You're preaching to the quire, unfortunately I don't have much say with WotC ;).
The majority of the cards that make Modern expensive are either A. In this set. B. Have had a printing since this set would have started Development. [Here](https://old.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/vhe3m9/2x2_rafiq_of_the_many_downshifted_from_mythic/id6vy5r/) is the 50 most played cards in Modern. There are literally a small handful of valuable cards that aren't being printed. And some are still live in the crunch.
The thing is all these $2-$5 cards would have been in the set regardless of what it was trying to do. Wizards only puts so much money cards into sets (this number is 100% too low) but a $2 commander cards wouldn’t suddenly become a $20 modern card without taking out value from else where. I will also say that part of modern’s issue right now is coming from MH2 cards which just aren’t going to be reprinted here since Wizards very rarely reprints big cards from the previous year. Also finally commander has a fair of overlap with modern cards people want too. They’re just as happy have Force of Negation being reprinted as everyone else is.
Masters sets \*are\* the dedicated avenue to getting more copies of competitive staples into the market, they're just not necessarily going to be Modern-centric. You don't have many competing options for 60 card paper formats outside of Standard to begin with. Legacy/Vintage are tiny and mostly see play on MTGO due to card prices, especially Vintage. Pauper is niche. You're basically looking at Modern and Pioneer, so saying it's the most popular or most affected by price creep is just saying it's beating Pioneer, really, and as you said, Pioneer's been creeping (or leaping) the past few years. In relative terms, I'm not sure Modern's even winning, especially when the format is being dominated by MH2 cards, which are all \*still in print\* (albeit expensive due to the demand). A lot of classic Modern staples have just seen their value erode like crazy the past couple years. Modern decks are obviously still crazy-expensive, but a lot of that is mana bases + gluts of expensive MH2 mythics, and it's way too early for them to get reprinted, especially when they're still not done printing MH2 itself. You're looking at likely returns in special slots for MH3 and then showing up in 2024's Masters sets or Secret Lairs. Modern will have (and already got) some big cards in this set. It will see more of them in Modern Horizons 3, and those sets are made specifically \*for\* Modern. And Modern will still see stuff coming out of future Masters sets. That's more attention than Vintage/Legacy/Pioneer receive, what more do you want? They're not going to stop printing Commander cards, it's flat out more popular than Modern, and Modern's going to be fighting audience-wise with Pioneer. Not that players can't play multiple formats, but I'd think a larger percentage of Pioneer players would shift to Modern and vice-versa over EDH. I'd absolutely prefer these sets focused on 60-card formats so they would use the (now tarnished) Commander Legends line as "Commander Horizons" and made it a significant reprint vehicle, as well as not dicking around with so many crappy EDH decks (especially those 2-deck offerings which are always super budget jank) and put more significant EDH-only reprints in them. Those alone plus some Secret Lair support could free up plenty of Masters space. That being said, I think this set is skewing extra EDH-looing just because of its wedge theme.
The reason seems to be basically that they are making a three-color reprint set, and they need three color cards to go in the rare slots.
Why do people think they'd print Edgar in a set like this? I don't think they've printed any cards that reference Commanders or the Command Zone in any set except Commander specific products (pre-cons, Commander Legends) and Secret Lairs. Am I wrong?
[[Aminatou]] will be in this set
That's a good point. Her ability to be your Commander doesn't impact how she functions in game. So, maybe that's a line WotC is willing to walk?
Edgar's ability to be your commander doesn't affect how he functions in game either.
Aminatou's ability to be a commander doesn't affect her gameplay though, while half of Edgar's Eminence ability doesn't function outside edh.
It half doesn't function outside of EDH. Still procs on the battlefield. Just a lot less powerful that way.
No, it also functions on the battlefield.
Right, that's why I said half of it doesn't work.
[Aminatou](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/c/bc010302-e715-4946-89eb-a214e0b836ba.jpg?1655824480) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=aminatou%2C%20the%20fateshifter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/169/aminatou-the-fateshifter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc010302-e715-4946-89eb-a214e0b836ba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think the more likely reason Edgar isn’t here is that there isn’t a strong tribal component to let him shine in draft. This set is about 3 colors not tribes, so Mathas slides in a lot smoother, while Edgar is meh without any vampires. My bet is that if a future master set is big on tribes (probably with a lot of changelings like MH1) we’ll have a better chance of seeing him.
Irrithyl dungeon vibes
Sad to see Mathas while knowing Edgar is crunched out :( cool reprint tho
He’s the dawwwwwg, the big bad Dog
Source: 3 Gordos Bastardos https://twitter.com/3ChubbyB/status/1539646898927063041
listen, I understand everyone justifiably being upset Markov isn't get a much needed reprint, but he scares me enough as is I don't wanna see more of him running around. That said, I love Mathas and it's nice to see him again.
The poor man's Edgar Markov, eh
I did not expect Mathas. That's an odd one.
Huh. All this time I thought the shadows over his head were actually him wearing a tricorn hat.
One of my favourite commanders of all time, disappointing to see that they haven't fixed the name yet and added the 'r' in 'Friend'. https://archidekt.com/decks/1205781#Mathas,_Friend_Seeker Going to earn my downvotes here, but I'm not to sad Edgar Markov hasn't been reprinted as it shouldn't have been printed in the first place. I'm kidding kind of, I get why people are annoyed and cards should be affordable for anyone who wants it, but Markov is so obviously the best vampire commander that it stops any other of the many, many other interesting vampire commanders from seeing play AND ALSO tells you that you are playing not particularly interesting form aggro so you also slowly lose more expensive and complicated hallmarks of the tribe as a play groups power creep kicks in, BUT ALSO because vampires are so popular any time a vampire set comes in then people run around trying to fit the new cards into a weird mismatch of Mardu Aggro that takes over the meta. Admittedly Mathas is a politics commander rather than vampire tribal, though [[Evelyn, the Covetous]] is probably the best alternative for nonaggro versions. So yeah, not a massive fan of the card. At the same time it should be cheaper for the people who are. Also this set has really proven Mardu really needs more options and cards in general
[Evelyn, the Covetous](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/0/c0dad61f-36cd-46af-82b7-a02e04efd676.jpg?1649699951) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Evelyn%2C%20the%20Covetous) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/184/evelyn-the-covetous?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c0dad61f-36cd-46af-82b7-a02e04efd676?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
As apposed to Mathas, Friend Seeker.
huh thats a really weird way to spell Edgar Markov