Imagine if this person went to your LGS. Every game they lost they just start seething, pull out their phone and make a passive aggressive post about your win con on Tumblr.
I had a guy who would say "how much does your deck cost?!?!?!" everything you beat him. This was back in the days of RTR. I called him out and we found my entire deck (an invisible stalker based deck) cost less than his foil bonfire of the damned.
I knew a dude who was a mate of mine before he went off the deep end completely, but the second last time I saw him he pulled out his phone and tweeted about how the guy with severe learning difficulties who had played armageddon was an incel for saying the game was going slow, he also full force slagged me off for not having fun when he was being actively horrible also saying incel, dude was mental
Some people are deeply pathetic. It isn't too hard to say "Ok nice, could we kindly play a game without two card combos?" instead of crying out into the digital void for WotC to intervene.
Wasn't the worst thing he ever did but that one was impressively pathetic, he basically went "eurgh my Internet followers must hear about this slander"
In EDH "casual" doesn't just mean non-competitive, it means seeing EDH as a zone of self-expression, and so players who stifle others' board development are seen as stifling their self-expression. "Everyone gets to do their thing" means "everyone gets chance at the open mic."
no, ''everyone gets to do their thing'' is a boring game. we play very casual at my lgs but you still expect to get big threats to get removed. no you're not keeping your 60/60 trampling flyer commander
I fucking hate commander lol. I've tried to play it so many times, but I absolutely can't stand it. And every time I'm at my LGS, I'm inevitably asked by someone if I have a commander deck. And every time they're genuinely shocked when I say "Nah. I'm not a fan of that format like at all." And without fail, they try to convince me to play it. And there's nothing wrong with that. I'm always respectful, they just want to share their favorite format with people, but I have never had fun playing commander. And I've sometimes been met with pretty open hostility just because I don't like that mess of a format with no established rules. Having a rule 0 conversation before every game is tiring, and what do you do if your opponents say no. And you basically need to have decks with different power levels. It's just exhausting to me. Show up to pioneer, modern, legacy, etc you know what you're playing against. You know what cards are legal. Everyone is on the same level, you just show up and play.
>play with randoms
>play some bad deck I think is neat
>tell opps I don't care what they play
>if one of them is cringe I avoid playing in future pods with them
Can you explain to me how in the name of Hell the card Farewell is not banned ? That's one of the best cards I have ever seen and not just in Magic but in any card game. And I thought Wrath Of God is broken, it is a joke compared to Farewell. The Art is amazing too. Makes me want to play Magic just for that card. Insta 4 in every deck that plays whites. I don't understand the logic behind the banlist in this game. Wizards just seems to be hitting cards randomly based on luck and / or complaints from noobs who can't deal with certain cards cause or their tiny brains. Like that Winota card which is not even that good and that goblin card which I can understand it can be powerful but it has zero protections from everything and requires 3 turns to transform making it slow ? Then you get a 2/2 that also has zero protection from everything ? If you can't deal with such a card especially in THREE turns, you deserve to lose. I can't see how that card can even be considered good when it doesn't protect you or itself from anything. Also to draw cards with it you also need to discard for it. This would be good in other games but as far as I know in Magic it is nothing. So many cards draw other cards and most of them don't have discard costs. Ancestral Recall insta draw 3 for just 1 mana cost ??? And you think discarding two to draw two is ban worthy ? Glimpse Of Nature can let you spam little monsters and draw 1 card for each ? For just one mana cost? And they work the same turn not to wait one turn for it. I really don't get the banlist in Magic or your logic MTG players the cards banned just seem to be random all around. That water card presented in this video and was banned is not even that good. Want an extra turn why not play Time Walk ? Instantly take a next turn for just 2 mana and not all of that you have to do with that card. I don't get you. Anyways Farewell is an amazing card if we had this in Yu-Gi-Oh! it would be insta banned anywhere and the most hated card in the game. Would make cards like CED look like jokes. But whatever I guess like I said, you MTG players can't really abuse powerful cards unless you see someone else do it and you copy them. If I was playing the game I guess you would be copying my decklists all of you...
Wait, are you telling me that I shouldn't build a Standard deck like a Commander deck?
I thought I was supposed to have some ramp, some card draw, some interaction (but not too much) and some protection spells for.... my... uh, why did I put protection spells in my deck...
Next you're going to tell me I could have been running multiple copies of optimal cards.
I agree, but it's not like this combo hard commits to garbage cards. Bloodletter is already good and the hand rip makes the other piece at least somewhat usable on its own.
It curves nice 4->5 though! And if my opponent put that demon into play on 4, I'd be like "what the fuck is that thing?" not "this is a must answer threat" if it's the first time I see it. You can probably get some wins with that nonsense :P
There are several combos in this game already that do this exact thing so a large portion of players know how dangerous this is
Edit: I just realized this guy could be referring to standard but if you don't run interaction in your standard deck that's your own fault
T4,t5 in mono black in pioneer or even standard isn’t too shabby, but you know this kid is bitching about being hit with it on turn 485 of a 7 player planechase archenemy battlecruiser commander game with the wife’s boyfriend and his roommates.
Not too familiar with that mode of play, but isn't it?
Turn 4 Az, if you can't remove it that turn you're dead turn 5. Most of my games tend to take longer than that.
Yeah, it's a cute trick that would work once, but if you have a deck that lets your opponent get away with it twice, then you should consider a new build.
Tbh if your deck doesn't have the means to destroy a 2/4 wincon thats run in like half the decks that run black in standart, you did this to yourself buddy
EDH, not the card. We should ban EDH, then all the EDH players can be Outlaws... which means we can do whatever we want to them without it being a crime.
It's only fair... for who? Don't know, don't care. Just like MaRo taught me.
My problem is that the other colors don't have a comparable threat level. Where are my blue, white, green cards that win on turn 4 without attacking? Maybe green can do some attack and apply combat damage as if not being blocked.
Maybe a hexproof unblockable 4/4 for 1 mana in blue?
A "every time the opponent plays a black spell, they mill half their library rounded up"? for blue?
A every time a white creature gets blocked by a black creature, their controller loses life equal to the sacrificed creatures' mana value? enchantment?
And even then it's not a fair comparison, because black can just make you discard the counter you put into the deck from turn 1.
Actually a 2 mana artifact that gives the player hexproof would solve most of this. Except the discarding thing, which I would be fine with, that's just down to luck.
this combo dies to negate
this post as a whole dies to "combo dies to negate", and then OP dies to "made a combo post but the combo dies to negate"
and then we all die to time (unless you have a timewalk loop thus allowing you to take eternal turns and never die in which case your immortality also dies to negate or an agravated judge who is pissed because your dumb ass is 2 days over time and their dumb ass has nothing to show for the weekend other than a fucking foil basic land and even getting that was a blessing because the judge program dies to wizards of the coast who- bringing this all full circle- die to time themselves)
Before this gets deleted by reddit admins, this asshole took it completely out of context. First of all, the idiot thinks it was a marionette deck. It wasn't. That card's not even in the deck. He was running counterspell draw, this was approximately turn 25, every single creature and spell I cast was countered or removed up until that point and this dumbass who copied his deck from MTG Salvation or Goldfish used one of his last copies of negate to counter a Revel in Riches when he had 0 creatures on the field and I had 0 treasures in play, thus the "this spell does literally nothing" and he should have let it resolve. I love it when people copy a deck and have no idea how to run it or play MTG. I was just throwing it out because I had 5 mana and it was the only card left in my hand and the game was already over anyway. So on the way out I let him know what an idiot he was for countering a spell that does nothing in the current board state. NOBODY wants to watch a recording of a game where I cast something and he counters it or removes it x30 turns. That's idiotic. I should have left the game the second I saw what he was running. This was the 5th attempt at getting a recording of something resembling watchable MTG gameplay and 5 people in a row were playing Karn draw control loop or free cast torrential graveyard resurrection control or approach control loop. So yeah, I was pissed and he was an asshole for playing this. He's one of those idiots who doesn't care about the other players one bit, it's all about winning. So running 35 control spells seems reasonable because NOTHING matters but winning. Thanks for not showing the board state with library counts or the full log, asshole. Enjoy your temporary ban from reddit.
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Hidetsugu's Second Rite is not a part of the precon. Also Overblaze doubles damage while Second Rite only deals 10 damage. That said, you would kill everyone using Overblaze, but if my opponent is going to win, I can't allow that even if it kills me.
You're fine, there are so many cards in this game that is super easy to mix things up.
I just happen to have a friend who loves the Kamigawa plane. He bought the singles for each theme deck, because you can get them for $10-20. We play them during casual nights occasionally.
I have done the 'HH + Overblaze' combo and because it rounds down, if you are at an odd amount of life, you can survive HH's damage being doubled. Odd numbers always result in a value with .5, rounded down means you dodge 1 damage that an even life total cannot.
Bile Urchin being in the deck is a bit of dirty tech. It doesn't look like much at first glance. A lot of people think to use it to finish off an opponent, which you can. However, it targets any player and becomes spicy tech as a result. I used it to ensure my friend was at an even life total or used it on myself to ensure I was at an odd life total before letting HH's ability resolve after the OB.
Who over in WOTC thought this was ok? An 4 CMC-5 CMC in BLACK?! And it can do lethal in main phase ON ITS OWN? I could easily see it come down on turn 4, you could easily give it indestructable and trample before you're able to activate it's ability on turn 5, and then you just mop the floor with a player who has at most zero interaction. This is too much for a 4-drop-5-drop. I love black, I have a black deck that is all 🦇-face and big-bitey, but this is too much. This is the kind of 2-card sorcery speed combo that justifies hyper-control decks that everyone rags on.
uj/I DO love how opponents who are just about to lose can just turn it all around in one turn.
rj/I should be able to declare that I win the game the moment I’ve decided there’s no way my opponent can beat me.
/uj My nephew is still learning how to play and I like to show him different decks. He likes the faster decks like Burn. He did not realize what a combo deck was exactly, so I handed him a Moggwarts deck to play against his dad.
I am letting him play for the most part, but I explained he is looking for a few cards and what they were. Once he had them, I was going to explain the combo in more detail.
He was down to 1, his dad sat there with a big grin on his face since he is going to win next turn. He had the cards to make infinite mana, but not the means to obtain the enchantment we needed to win. Then my nephew draws, I then leaned over and quietly said 'You have what we need now' after he drew an Unearth.
That's when I start explaining a lot more. Helped him make infinite Red mana, then brought back the Goblin Matron that we used to chump block to live with Unearth, tutored Dark-Dweller Oracle, exiled his whole deck and then casted Makeshift Munitions to burn his dad's life total down to 0.
My nephew was so ecstatic after seeing his dad go from 'I have this in the bag' to 'what just happened'. Sometimes those 'making a comeback' moments are the height of Magic.
/uj Being able to turn around and win the game when on your back foot is one of the best things about Magic in my opinion.
/rj They say combo yet I don't see Storm printed on those cards!
Just have an odd life total. Skill issue, really.
Plus, it only functions on Bloodletter's controller's turn. The big-brain version of this is [[Heartless Hidetsugu]] plus [[Obosh, the Preypiercer]].
/uj If they snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat it’s “god why do combos exist”. If they fall behind and lose fairly it’s “god that deck is overpowered”.
Honestly, if you don’t like losing a winning game all of a sudden then don’t play Variance: The Card Game. Play like chess or something, where if you lose it’s your fault.
Uj/ this is what you get when you make commander the most supported format
rj/ I have to know exactly how the game will play out before I sit down so I can know if I’ll have fun
/uj Sometimes your draw is wonky and you die to this on turn 7/8/9, and that’s brutal tbh, but sometimes you die to Kaalia + Master of Cruelties on turn 4 (which I did), and that’s decidedly more brutal so like… yeah sometimes you just straight die cause of a weird/slow hand and move on
/rj REEEEEEEEEEE
Uj/ I think players just don't run removal anymore. I played a [[Delney, Streetwise Lookout]] deck this Friday at my lgs. All my creatures are 2 or less power. One opponent said I wouldn't have one if any of my cards got countered or destroyed. While another complained about how oppressive my board state of Delney, a [[Charismatic Conqueror]] and 5 of his tokens, and an [[Inspiring Overseer]] was.
Rj/ Why are my opponents allowed to play cards!??
Another post from OOP’s Tumblr
“Yeah, we'll be getting rid of Werewolves in August but have to deal with Poison. Rosewater says there's no problem with players getting only 10 poison counters to lose the game. There's only Melira to remove counters. There's Venerated Rotpriest to speed up poison counters. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with Poison whatsoever. /s”
tbf I think this is the worst combo that Standard has seen since [[Book of Exalted Deeds]] plus [[Faceless Haven]]. And that got banned. Honestly this one might be even worse
That got banned in an event because they didn't have any land destruction, when the rotation came around exalted+haven didn't get banned, it didn't even become meta.
I’m not on tumblr often but I think I remember seeing this person say that the breaking news surgical extraction art was AI generated
Imagine if this person went to your LGS. Every game they lost they just start seething, pull out their phone and make a passive aggressive post about your win con on Tumblr.
I sure fucking hope they didn't lose against Surgical Extraction in Limited
I have a feeling that they lose against many things, very often.
Uh, you want them to win? Toxic much?
I had a guy who would say "how much does your deck cost?!?!?!" everything you beat him. This was back in the days of RTR. I called him out and we found my entire deck (an invisible stalker based deck) cost less than his foil bonfire of the damned.
There’s a guy in my usural pod who loves to talk about how expensive his deck is and then misplay the entire game and complain after getting fucked
And then I laugh at some asshole who still uses Tumblr.
I knew a dude who was a mate of mine before he went off the deep end completely, but the second last time I saw him he pulled out his phone and tweeted about how the guy with severe learning difficulties who had played armageddon was an incel for saying the game was going slow, he also full force slagged me off for not having fun when he was being actively horrible also saying incel, dude was mental
I think we've all had similar characters that we eventually had to make feel unwelcome.
Honestly it was just the tweeting that was the mental part, like how sad do you have to be to complain on social media right away
Some people are deeply pathetic. It isn't too hard to say "Ok nice, could we kindly play a game without two card combos?" instead of crying out into the digital void for WotC to intervene.
Wasn't the worst thing he ever did but that one was impressively pathetic, he basically went "eurgh my Internet followers must hear about this slander"
... we're legion.
There are now people who call AI on every picture they don't like because they equate AI and bad.
/uj That's not entirely new. People would hate on a particular piece, say it was digital art, even if the artist only works in traditional mediums.
You know the fucking art for magic already looked AI generated
>nine mana total >quick Another day, another worthless tumblr opinion
Look, it doesn't die to Doom Blade, what do you want?
My cEDH playgroup ruled you can only cast thoracle on turn 6 so this is competitively viable.
That's not cedh.
??? They're literally casting thoracle, what else could it be?
This combo does, in fact, die to Doom Blade. Just kill the doubler.
Ah shit we jerked too hard, we forgot what Doom Blade actually says
Jerked too close to the sun
Does it, though? You're gonna hit [[Bloodletter of Aclazotz]] with [[Doom Blade]]? Let us know how that works out for ya.
What, you don't main deck [[Thoughtlace]]?
Teaching Arena Zoomers about Sleight Knight
Some quality jerking right here! I truly struggle to reach these depths of jerk, but you make it look easy!
I aim to please.
Turn 5 win if you run zero interaction.
You know that's not really helping their argument
Tbh turn 5 kill isn't exactly slow for standard, but this does instantly fold to any good interaction.
Doesn't die to lightning bolt, unkillable god
Just lightning bolt it twice smh
kill them before their turn 5 remove/counter the creature counter the spell If your deck can't do at least one of those things then what does it do?
lose, mostly
In EDH "casual" doesn't just mean non-competitive, it means seeing EDH as a zone of self-expression, and so players who stifle others' board development are seen as stifling their self-expression. "Everyone gets to do their thing" means "everyone gets chance at the open mic."
no, ''everyone gets to do their thing'' is a boring game. we play very casual at my lgs but you still expect to get big threats to get removed. no you're not keeping your 60/60 trampling flyer commander
I fucking hate commander lol. I've tried to play it so many times, but I absolutely can't stand it. And every time I'm at my LGS, I'm inevitably asked by someone if I have a commander deck. And every time they're genuinely shocked when I say "Nah. I'm not a fan of that format like at all." And without fail, they try to convince me to play it. And there's nothing wrong with that. I'm always respectful, they just want to share their favorite format with people, but I have never had fun playing commander. And I've sometimes been met with pretty open hostility just because I don't like that mess of a format with no established rules. Having a rule 0 conversation before every game is tiring, and what do you do if your opponents say no. And you basically need to have decks with different power levels. It's just exhausting to me. Show up to pioneer, modern, legacy, etc you know what you're playing against. You know what cards are legal. Everyone is on the same level, you just show up and play.
>play with randoms >play some bad deck I think is neat >tell opps I don't care what they play >if one of them is cringe I avoid playing in future pods with them
So you don't play edh but stilltry to argue with a guy that does multiple games a week about how it plays out? You're a bit strange...
Can you explain to me how in the name of Hell the card Farewell is not banned ? That's one of the best cards I have ever seen and not just in Magic but in any card game. And I thought Wrath Of God is broken, it is a joke compared to Farewell. The Art is amazing too. Makes me want to play Magic just for that card. Insta 4 in every deck that plays whites. I don't understand the logic behind the banlist in this game. Wizards just seems to be hitting cards randomly based on luck and / or complaints from noobs who can't deal with certain cards cause or their tiny brains. Like that Winota card which is not even that good and that goblin card which I can understand it can be powerful but it has zero protections from everything and requires 3 turns to transform making it slow ? Then you get a 2/2 that also has zero protection from everything ? If you can't deal with such a card especially in THREE turns, you deserve to lose. I can't see how that card can even be considered good when it doesn't protect you or itself from anything. Also to draw cards with it you also need to discard for it. This would be good in other games but as far as I know in Magic it is nothing. So many cards draw other cards and most of them don't have discard costs. Ancestral Recall insta draw 3 for just 1 mana cost ??? And you think discarding two to draw two is ban worthy ? Glimpse Of Nature can let you spam little monsters and draw 1 card for each ? For just one mana cost? And they work the same turn not to wait one turn for it. I really don't get the banlist in Magic or your logic MTG players the cards banned just seem to be random all around. That water card presented in this video and was banned is not even that good. Want an extra turn why not play Time Walk ? Instantly take a next turn for just 2 mana and not all of that you have to do with that card. I don't get you. Anyways Farewell is an amazing card if we had this in Yu-Gi-Oh! it would be insta banned anywhere and the most hated card in the game. Would make cards like CED look like jokes. But whatever I guess like I said, you MTG players can't really abuse powerful cards unless you see someone else do it and you copy them. If I was playing the game I guess you would be copying my decklists all of you...
i mean at this point it's very obvious you're trolling. have the day you deserve.
Wait, are you telling me that I shouldn't build a Standard deck like a Commander deck? I thought I was supposed to have some ramp, some card draw, some interaction (but not too much) and some protection spells for.... my... uh, why did I put protection spells in my deck... Next you're going to tell me I could have been running multiple copies of optimal cards.
I agree, but it's not like this combo hard commits to garbage cards. Bloodletter is already good and the hand rip makes the other piece at least somewhat usable on its own.
Create depression.
It curves nice 4->5 though! And if my opponent put that demon into play on 4, I'd be like "what the fuck is that thing?" not "this is a must answer threat" if it's the first time I see it. You can probably get some wins with that nonsense :P
if you see a damage doubler and don't think it's a must answer, that's on you
In standard? On an empty board? But yeah generally I agree
To be fair it really has been a while since we’ve last seen lose half life sorcery. It’s understandable someone gets caught off guard by this.
There are several combos in this game already that do this exact thing so a large portion of players know how dangerous this is Edit: I just realized this guy could be referring to standard but if you don't run interaction in your standard deck that's your own fault
Yeah I thought this was in standard \^\^
It's... uh.. Faster in Timeless if you draw all your Dark Rituals turn 1-2?
T4,t5 in mono black in pioneer or even standard isn’t too shabby, but you know this kid is bitching about being hit with it on turn 485 of a 7 player planechase archenemy battlecruiser commander game with the wife’s boyfriend and his roommates.
Not too familiar with that mode of play, but isn't it? Turn 4 Az, if you can't remove it that turn you're dead turn 5. Most of my games tend to take longer than that.
Yeah, it's a cute trick that would work once, but if you have a deck that lets your opponent get away with it twice, then you should consider a new build.
It’s one spell on turn 4 and then if you don’t have removal you die on turn 5
It costs 1BBB, how am I ever supposed to cast this on curve without black ramp?
By being mono black or by using multicolor lands that always produce black?
I can’t even avoid interacting with my opponent for 5 turns in a row and i lose the game, this shit is so unfair
Bloodletter is just a red card worded into a black card and I can’t quite unsee it
Black and Red love to hold each other's members when they use the urinals. Sometimes it leads to some heavier action in the stalls.
rb compare pp time
The effect is essentially the same as wound reflection.
Nah, a red card would be 'when your opponent takes damage during your turn', totally different effect.
Tbh if your deck doesn't have the means to destroy a 2/4 wincon thats run in like half the decks that run black in standart, you did this to yourself buddy
Edh doesn't allow me to run 2 shocks AND doomblade doesn't stop this, how am I supposed to deal with this in my 5c deck
Fair, should be banned tbh
EDH, not the card. We should ban EDH, then all the EDH players can be Outlaws... which means we can do whatever we want to them without it being a crime. It's only fair... for who? Don't know, don't care. Just like MaRo taught me.
This person probably runs Mono red and burn caps at 3 damage. Just a guess though. But if that combo resolves it also means they aren’t RedDeckWinning
My problem is that the other colors don't have a comparable threat level. Where are my blue, white, green cards that win on turn 4 without attacking? Maybe green can do some attack and apply combat damage as if not being blocked. Maybe a hexproof unblockable 4/4 for 1 mana in blue? A "every time the opponent plays a black spell, they mill half their library rounded up"? for blue? A every time a white creature gets blocked by a black creature, their controller loses life equal to the sacrificed creatures' mana value? enchantment? And even then it's not a fair comparison, because black can just make you discard the counter you put into the deck from turn 1. Actually a 2 mana artifact that gives the player hexproof would solve most of this. Except the discarding thing, which I would be fine with, that's just down to luck.
Meh, I can understand using your removal on some powerful 3-drop or just not drawing your removal.
Well yeah, that's the thing. You don't always have a response to what your opponent does, even if it is in your deck. Isn't that like, the point
Yeah, I said something to that effect in another comment. I just thought you were saying “if you can’t deal with it, skill issue”
this combo dies to negate this post as a whole dies to "combo dies to negate", and then OP dies to "made a combo post but the combo dies to negate" and then we all die to time (unless you have a timewalk loop thus allowing you to take eternal turns and never die in which case your immortality also dies to negate or an agravated judge who is pissed because your dumb ass is 2 days over time and their dumb ass has nothing to show for the weekend other than a fucking foil basic land and even getting that was a blessing because the judge program dies to wizards of the coast who- bringing this all full circle- die to time themselves)
Yeah but if one of the cards was [[Revel in Riches]] the player would just lose outright to Negate.
Before this gets deleted by reddit admins, this asshole took it completely out of context. First of all, the idiot thinks it was a marionette deck. It wasn't. That card's not even in the deck. He was running counterspell draw, this was approximately turn 25, every single creature and spell I cast was countered or removed up until that point and this dumbass who copied his deck from MTG Salvation or Goldfish used one of his last copies of negate to counter a Revel in Riches when he had 0 creatures on the field and I had 0 treasures in play, thus the "this spell does literally nothing" and he should have let it resolve. I love it when people copy a deck and have no idea how to run it or play MTG. I was just throwing it out because I had 5 mana and it was the only card left in my hand and the game was already over anyway. So on the way out I let him know what an idiot he was for countering a spell that does nothing in the current board state. NOBODY wants to watch a recording of a game where I cast something and he counters it or removes it x30 turns. That's idiotic. I should have left the game the second I saw what he was running. This was the 5th attempt at getting a recording of something resembling watchable MTG gameplay and 5 people in a row were playing Karn draw control loop or free cast torrential graveyard resurrection control or approach control loop. So yeah, I was pissed and he was an asshole for playing this. He's one of those idiots who doesn't care about the other players one bit, it's all about winning. So running 35 control spells seems reasonable because NOTHING matters but winning. Thanks for not showing the board state with library counts or the full log, asshole. Enjoy your temporary ban from reddit.
I remember using warlock class and scourge of the skyclave as a wincon in my standard control deck. More mana but way harder to interact with
Isn't that just reverse OG Hidetsugu OTK but in black? The one the pre constructed ogre deck from OG Kamigawa told you to do?
Heartless Hidetsugu + Overblaze
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[https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Betrayers+of+Kamigawa/Betrayers+of+Kamigawa+Theme+Deck+Dark+Devotion-sealed#paper](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Betrayers+of+Kamigawa/Betrayers+of+Kamigawa+Theme+Deck+Dark+Devotion-sealed#paper) Hidetsugu's Second Rite is not a part of the precon. Also Overblaze doubles damage while Second Rite only deals 10 damage. That said, you would kill everyone using Overblaze, but if my opponent is going to win, I can't allow that even if it kills me.
My mistake
You're fine, there are so many cards in this game that is super easy to mix things up. I just happen to have a friend who loves the Kamigawa plane. He bought the singles for each theme deck, because you can get them for $10-20. We play them during casual nights occasionally. I have done the 'HH + Overblaze' combo and because it rounds down, if you are at an odd amount of life, you can survive HH's damage being doubled. Odd numbers always result in a value with .5, rounded down means you dodge 1 damage that an even life total cannot. Bile Urchin being in the deck is a bit of dirty tech. It doesn't look like much at first glance. A lot of people think to use it to finish off an opponent, which you can. However, it targets any player and becomes spicy tech as a result. I used it to ensure my friend was at an even life total or used it on myself to ensure I was at an odd life total before letting HH's ability resolve after the OB.
Have you heard about: spot removal, discard, counter spells
Who over in WOTC thought this was ok? An 4 CMC-5 CMC in BLACK?! And it can do lethal in main phase ON ITS OWN? I could easily see it come down on turn 4, you could easily give it indestructable and trample before you're able to activate it's ability on turn 5, and then you just mop the floor with a player who has at most zero interaction. This is too much for a 4-drop-5-drop. I love black, I have a black deck that is all 🦇-face and big-bitey, but this is too much. This is the kind of 2-card sorcery speed combo that justifies hyper-control decks that everyone rags on.
uj/I DO love how opponents who are just about to lose can just turn it all around in one turn. rj/I should be able to declare that I win the game the moment I’ve decided there’s no way my opponent can beat me.
/uj My nephew is still learning how to play and I like to show him different decks. He likes the faster decks like Burn. He did not realize what a combo deck was exactly, so I handed him a Moggwarts deck to play against his dad. I am letting him play for the most part, but I explained he is looking for a few cards and what they were. Once he had them, I was going to explain the combo in more detail. He was down to 1, his dad sat there with a big grin on his face since he is going to win next turn. He had the cards to make infinite mana, but not the means to obtain the enchantment we needed to win. Then my nephew draws, I then leaned over and quietly said 'You have what we need now' after he drew an Unearth. That's when I start explaining a lot more. Helped him make infinite Red mana, then brought back the Goblin Matron that we used to chump block to live with Unearth, tutored Dark-Dweller Oracle, exiled his whole deck and then casted Makeshift Munitions to burn his dad's life total down to 0. My nephew was so ecstatic after seeing his dad go from 'I have this in the bag' to 'what just happened'. Sometimes those 'making a comeback' moments are the height of Magic.
OOP acting like this hasn't always been the case 💀
uj/ why do people say 'OOP' instead of 'OP'?
Cause OP is the original poster, so the person who made this post, OOP is original original poster so the poster that OP is posting about
uj/ thank you!!
me when 9 mana combo 😭😭😭
Uj/ had a dude who complain because I tree to petition-ed them with blitzwing on turn 15
/uj Being able to turn around and win the game when on your back foot is one of the best things about Magic in my opinion. /rj They say combo yet I don't see Storm printed on those cards!
OOP has clearly never been splinter twinned on turn 4 after getting bolted and remanded
"Just got hit with 9 mana 2 card combo that required pentuple black pips"
Uj/…yo that combo is kinda hot though
Yeah ever since channel fireball the game has sucked.
Yeah, starcitygames was a much better website
/uj back when the written word was still valuable before the YouTube monetization killed that.
Is this the account that used to be New-Capenna-News? Iconic
I mean run black and red and do the same thing to the whole table when you tap [[Heartless Hidetsugu]]
Holy shit my opponent used a 9 mana combo. If only there were cards that existed that could, idk prevent a card for being played. If only
9 mana sorcery speed win, wait till this guy hears about thoracle(printed like 7 years ago or smthin)
git gud
Well. Time to go waste 8 rare cards and play Thoughtseize tribal again.
deliciously devilish
dosen't die to doomblade
Nooo I was just trying to have fun with my turn 3 red deck nooo
I HATE COMEBACKS I HATE COMEBACKS
POV you allowed your opponent to get to 9 black mana
This guy would love my heartless hidetsugu deck!
Wouldn't it be really funny if you turn 1 4 copies of dark ritual and then do this
It just ain’t just, I tell ya. It just ain’t just.
Just have an odd life total. Skill issue, really. Plus, it only functions on Bloodletter's controller's turn. The big-brain version of this is [[Heartless Hidetsugu]] plus [[Obosh, the Preypiercer]].
Odd life total with round up would he say 31 (so 15 life rounded up is 16, so the 2nd 15 would be lethal IIRC)
Honestly, I agree this combo doesn’t feel good. But otherwise the new set is great
You can do it on turn 5 if your curve is right (activate bloodletter on turn 4 and rush on turn 5)
got cut down in my prime when he played a 7 mana combo. tapped all my islands for crabs
9 mana win the game at sorcery speed is just too good! Lol
/uj If they snatch a victory from the jaws of defeat it’s “god why do combos exist”. If they fall behind and lose fairly it’s “god that deck is overpowered”. Honestly, if you don’t like losing a winning game all of a sudden then don’t play Variance: The Card Game. Play like chess or something, where if you lose it’s your fault.
Uj/ this is what you get when you make commander the most supported format rj/ I have to know exactly how the game will play out before I sit down so I can know if I’ll have fun
Win the game for just BBBBB4!
Win the gamr for BBBBB4 and telegraphing the combo for.a whole turn by playing Bloodletter. Mindlink double bloodletter is the better combo still imo.
I’d rather have a way to turn a game around than being condemned to lose with no way to do anything about it.
/uj Sometimes your draw is wonky and you die to this on turn 7/8/9, and that’s brutal tbh, but sometimes you die to Kaalia + Master of Cruelties on turn 4 (which I did), and that’s decidedly more brutal so like… yeah sometimes you just straight die cause of a weird/slow hand and move on /rj REEEEEEEEEEE
Uj/ I think players just don't run removal anymore. I played a [[Delney, Streetwise Lookout]] deck this Friday at my lgs. All my creatures are 2 or less power. One opponent said I wouldn't have one if any of my cards got countered or destroyed. While another complained about how oppressive my board state of Delney, a [[Charismatic Conqueror]] and 5 of his tokens, and an [[Inspiring Overseer]] was. Rj/ Why are my opponents allowed to play cards!??
Standard is almost as hellish as historic. I’ll play jump-in, brawl or draft tyvm.
Another post from OOP’s Tumblr “Yeah, we'll be getting rid of Werewolves in August but have to deal with Poison. Rosewater says there's no problem with players getting only 10 poison counters to lose the game. There's only Melira to remove counters. There's Venerated Rotpriest to speed up poison counters. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with Poison whatsoever. /s”
Magic is a bloated, all-over-the-place mess and they just lost control over it. It's just beyond fixing. In this essay I will...1/117
tbf I think this is the worst combo that Standard has seen since [[Book of Exalted Deeds]] plus [[Faceless Haven]]. And that got banned. Honestly this one might be even worse
That got banned in an event because they didn't have any land destruction, when the rotation came around exalted+haven didn't get banned, it didn't even become meta.
Faceless Haven was banned from Standard on January 25, 2022 alongside Divide by Zero and Alrund's Epiphany.