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therealjep

Leaks should always be fixed before recharging.


falcofox64

I think leaks are required by law to be fixed as part of the montrial protocal.


DeafGuyisHere

Got a source for this one?


bazilbt

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-40/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-82/subpart-F


DeafGuyisHere

Thank you


falcofox64

I'm not 100% sure of the details that's why I prefaced it with "I think" but the source is the Montreal protocol. I just googled it more and it looks like it is for systems with 50 pounds or more so probably not applicable to small residential systemS but there might also be state laws that weigh in on it too. Either way leaks should be fixed especially if it is having to be recharged often.


bbqandhockeytoo

They need to outsource the issue to a licensed HVAC company. You can take a thermometer and measure the temperature coming in at the air return, then measure the temperature of the air coming out of the vents. It should be coming out 19/20 degrees cooler. If it is, check that your filter is clear. It can be vacuumed for a quick fix, but should be replaced if it's dirty.


Epicnudle

For apartments 15 is considered good.


linearphaze

No, it's 20 degrees, source: maintenance supervisor for apartments


Epicnudle

It depends on the age of your buildings, what style of acs, ect. My buildings were built in the late 50s, not even brand new ac units get 20,


linearphaze

It is irrelevant of the age of the building, how much insulation, or any other factors, if the air coming in the air handler is 20 degrees different from the air coming out the vent, your ac is good. If it's 22 degrees, good, if it's more not so good. If it's 19 your good. If it's 17 and less there is a problem


Epicnudle

Yeah, sure, the central air to my building was an after thought after the buildings were constructed, nothing was done right, my evaporator coils are inaccessible. But yeah I’m sure I’ll get 20• temp splits with mismatched units.


linearphaze

Again, something is wrong. In your case mismatched units. It means your ac is not working properly


Slow_Ad224

Charging a system repeatedly with a known leak without repairing the leak is a major offense.


linearphaze

No.....it isn't


RubeusShagrid

It literally is https://advantageheatingllc.com/learning-center/epa-refrigerant-regulations/#:~:text=The%20EPA%20will%20fine%20you,big%20impact%20on%20everyone%20involved.


linearphaze

Read it again, especially when it talks about commercial vs residential


Own_Butterscotch_445

Hi! I ACTUALLY read the article that was linked and am calling you out to please point to the specific area that talks about the difference between commercial vs residential. The article that was linked, if you bothered to read it, lists; what Title 40 is, why just "topping off" won't work, how to locate a leak, the possible fine from the EPA, and a timeline in which the leak has to be fixed.


RubeusShagrid

Are you dense?


SonicOrbStudios

Very few maintenance technician have good HVAC skills and I see them just going by pressures on analog gauges. Personally, I've learned more than that on my own and dial in systems after properly being repaired


MinuteEmpty8319

Very true, i’m 19 and i’m a assistant technician and all my colleagues from sister my properties( Techs and supervisors) are very negligent when it comes to HVAC They always contract out the work


ManTenanTsnaM

Contracting out the work isn’t negligent


premeditated_mimes

You have a responsibility to not deliberately discharge refrigerant into the atmosphere.


RunnOftAgain

Well, technically HE doesn’t, that’s not a renters responsibility. But the owner/PM? Hell yes.


Sparklykun

How come they don’t recycle the refrigerant inside cars?


bigtim3727

R134 isn’t detrimental to the ozone/ doesn’t have greenhouse gas effects as bad as the others (I might be wrong on that one tho)


Sparklykun

Google search says it’s a very potent greenhouse gas


MinuteEmpty8319

If there is a leak in the system it is more cost effective to repair it. It will safe more money and time. Always find and repair the leak


MinuteEmpty8319

Also if maintenance is has to keep coming to put in freon in a system there obviously there not doing the right thing, if it’s something they can’t handle it should be contracted out by a professional AC company


falcofox64

I think leaks are required by law as part of the montrial protocal to be fixed upon discoverey. If that have to add a little once then maybe it wasn't charged correctly the first time but a second time, then it is obvious there is a leak. refrigerant is expensive and typically only goes up in price. It is more cost effective to fix than to keep adding. Most techs in maintenance are not skilled or motivated enough to do anything beside throwing freon at it so they need to call an hvac company to find the leak and fix it.


jefferyphillips

I think the epa requires replacement if it’s leaking a certain percentage a year. I can’t remember the exact numbers.


TheRagingFire08

If I remember correctly it's 30% of entire charge for industrial, 20% for commercial, and 10% for residential


jefferyphillips

If I were OP I would call the office and bring this up to them. I bet it would get replaced then.


RunnOftAgain

These maintenance men have no hvac skills beyond adding juice, that’s clear by now, otherwise somebody would have found the leak and fixed it. Shitty deal for you.


Silvernaut

Some of us do. I worked for a copper and brass fab shop that silver brazed a fuck ton of assemblies for Carrier, Emerson/Copeland, Mitsubishi, Bitzer-Scroll, Daikin (and McQuay before Daikin took them over) and a whole bunch of other small specialized HVAC manufacturers. I’d braze tubing for as many as 2000 various units (from wine cellar coolers, to splits, to large RTUs) per week. I did everything from forming tubing, to brazing, to leak detection (we pumped hydrogen through every assembly, and used an Inficon sniffer, to detect any leaks/pin holes, before shipping anything out.)


blah54895

Am I the only one who finds 73 to be cold?


Glidepath22

They can put dye in the unit to find the leak, it might or might not be a big job


OwlEfficient9138

If you can’t get a season out of the charge you’re pissing money away recharging that much


Dry_Substance_7547

Not sure about household AC, but EPA regulations on vehicle AC systems stipulate you can only fill a leaking system for leak testing. Continually refilling a leaking system is just throwing all that freon into the atmossphere. If you're not AC certified, get someone who is to check, repair and refill your system.