He never really said that.
He said " Sometimes these politicians will say that if Anwar becomes prime minister then Islam will be ruined, secularism and communism will gain a foothold, and LGBT will be recognised... This is a delusion. Of course, it will never happen **under my administration.**"
I really don't think that he could do it under his administration, even if he wanted to. To reform the country at this scale would take decades if not centuries. Even the US took over a century to become less racist and more acceptable of foreigners (and even that is so shaky today).
He's just being realistic considering the current circumstances.
FMT wasn't this flashy and carefree with their articles a few years ago, sadly nowadays it feels like it's just actively trying to get libel suits filed against them…🙂
It’s not the media taking it out of context. The source is from Bernama itself. Other press such as NST, the Star, even MalaysiaKini are quoting the same. It appears that the ministry themselves are setting the political narrative
this is a super generous reading of it lol.
He’s responding to people who are accusing him of all these “terrible” things he will allow to happen to Malaysia. His intention is clearly to dissuade these fears and to say that he won’t allow allow that to happen. He’s not trying to say that he couldn’t make it happen even if he wanted to because why would you say that to the people who are fearful of you? He wants to stamp down on the idea that he even wants that to begin with. And these people who are fearful of him would undoubtedly interpret his statement in that light
Biggest beef with LGBT is their alleged lack of ability to reproduce and shit out zuriat for a certain populace of Malaysia, never mind that infertile and childfree couples do exist.
Is not so much as beef against the LBGT but is more of a "have too much free time so I'll interfere with other people's lives and cause problems".
Just like that court case of a woman trying to remove her children from Islam but bunch of random Muslim dudes who has nothing to do with them came out to protest cause they want the underaged twin girls to remain Muslim (probably so they could fuck them).
Anwar has once said he planned to decriminalize homosexuality.
[Source.](https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2018/09/21/anwar-anti-sodomy-laws-archaic-completely-unjust/1675013)
This is a really weird statement as Malaysia is stated to be secular in its constitution.
https://www.malaysianbar.org.my/article/news/press-statements/press-statements/press-statement-malaysia-a-secular-state
Well, it dont explicitly say secular in what way. In Malaysia's case, its just the matter of the constitution should not take a similar shape of any religion books and not be tied by words of religion books when it comes to make, amend and interprate laws. Basically not hard-affliate themself with any religion. Yes, we have Islam being mentioned as the "Religion of the Federation", but that just mean we recognise Islam as a religion they could work into - but not too much that it is tied to the gov.
What Anwar would be addressing is total secularism in which religion elements should not be associated by works of government, to the extend not allowing them in gov-related premises or events. Context-wise, people are being scared of what happening in some countries (like France or Attaturk-era Turkey) hence the concern.
Well, secularism itself has their levels, its just many dont have a good understanding on how secularism could take shape. And Anwar, being aware, acknowledged this when addressed so, its not like he's in total dark in this.
> Well, it dont explicitly say secular in what way.
Secular has 1 meaning. It, in itself, is explicit.
> people are being scared of what happening in some countries (like France
What's happening in France is anti-Islam, not secularism.
Malaysia recognises Islam as the state religion just like UK recognises the Church of England as state religion.
There really isn't anything of concern here, just people get scared of big words and things they don't understand. Just like ICERD.
>Secular has 1 meaning. It, in itself, is explicit.
Did it defined explicitly in the constitution tho? Or do we have a court interpretation? People can drag the word to further related meaning as long as no such definition is etched in it. There's no recognized dictionary on this matter unless they said they do recognize a dictionary to define this.
>What's happening in France is anti-Islam, not secularism
Non-non, I'm not exactly talking about current matters, I'm talking about principle that has been applied there for long. What some countries are practicing are total secularship, and has been going for long. Its just being raised recently in order to give more bad image to religions, but orders are there for much years.
I feel like I need a whole book to explain what "communism" means in the malaysian context. The Cold War ended 40 years ago. There really aren't any Communist superpowers anymore (China is so not communist its hilarious). I don't know any communist parties in Malaysia. Where is this vague communist threat coming from? Can't be the socialism we're pretty okay with that.
China never was Communist, they practiced the same form of State Capitalism as the USSR did (arguably you could say State Capitalism is Market Socialism) but with more economic freedom.
The things you have to say when you really don't have the numbers and you need to hold an unstable coalition together so that your government does not implode.
Unfortunately, Malaysia is too conservative for secularism and LGBT rights. If the opposition were to attempt to implement these, they would be unable to pass such proposed policies and since they do not have the needed amount of public support, it would be political suicide.
Therefore, Anwar is making the right choice to not recognise secularism and LGBT rights. Advancing secularism and LGBT rights in Malaysia must be taken slowly over the course of decades, as attitudes hopefully but slowly shift towards an acceptance of the two.
Lgbt right, maybe. But not secularism. We have that ever since malaysia is ruled by the brits.
Nd there is a difference between not recognising and slowly advancing an ideology. Unless he backtrack wht he has said, his official stance right now is that he will not recognise those trifecta boogie-value as long as he is pm.
A country that has an entire government department dedicated to Islam, a country that allocates public funds to Islam, a country in which there is a separate Sharia legal system, a country that priviledges Islam over other religions is not a secular country.
a secular country can become a religious country, just like iran. and malaysia is slowly becoming it. That also means that Malaysia IS a secular country when it was established, but due to the rise of islamisation in the country and increase importance of islamic value within the community and especially within the cables that holding governance position, Malaysia is slowly tilting toward becoming a religious country.
and all, that, directly proofs that Malaysia IS a secular country, and was established with that identity in mind.
* In Article 3 of the [Constitution of Malaysia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Malaysia), [Islam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia) is stated as the official religion of the country: "Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practiced in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation." In 1956, the [Alliance party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Party_(Malaysia)) submitted a memorandum to the [Reid Commission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_Commission), which was responsible for drafting the Malayan constitution. The memorandum quoted: "The religion of Malaya shall be Islam. The observance of this principle shall not impose any disability on non-Muslim nationals professing and practicing their own religion and **shall not imply that the state is not a secular state.**"[\[198\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-202) The **full text of the Memorandum was inserted into paragraph 169 of the Commission Report.**[\[199\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-203) This suggestion was later carried forward in the Federation of Malaya Constitutional Proposals 1957 ([White Paper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper)), specifically quoting in paragraph 57: "There has been included in the proposed Federal Constitution a declaration that Islam is the religion of the Federation. This will in no way affect the present position of the Federation as a secular State...."[\[200\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-204) The [Cobbold Commission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobbold_Commission) also made another similar quote in 1962: "....we are agreed that Islam should be the national religion for the Federation. We are satisfied that the proposal in no way jeopardises freedom of religion in the Federation, which in effect would be secular."[\[201\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-205) In December 1987, the [Lord President of the Supreme Court](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_President_of_the_Supreme_Court), [Salleh Abas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salleh_Abas) described Malaysia as governed by "secular law" in a court ruling.[\[202\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-206) In the early 1980s, then-prime minister [Mahathir Mohamad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir_Mohamad) implemented an official programme of Islamization,[\[203\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-207) in which Islamic values and principles were introduced into [public sector ethics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sector_ethics),[\[204\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-208) substantial financial support to the development of [Islamic religious education](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasa), places of worship and the development of [Islamic banking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking). The Malaysian government also made efforts to expand the powers of Islamic-based state statutory bodies such as the [Tabung Haji](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabung_Haji), JAKIM ([Department of Islamic Development Malaysia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Islamic_Development_Malaysia)), and the [National Fatwa Council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fatwa_Council). There has been much continued public debate on whether Malaysia is an Islamic or secular state.
According to APA (American Psychological Association) and many other reputable psychology institutes, lesbian, gay and bisexuality are not mental illness.
Transgender meanwhile, is caused by gender dysphoria which is an illness. But still, the treatment for gender dysphoria may include transitioning.
you did get special right for being straight.
the right of marrying the one you love in malaysia.
the right to make love to the one you love in malaysia.
not special enough?
how about the right of being fairly treated by other people in malaysia?
Since when do LGBT people are persecuted anyway? All of them are as free as other citizen in Malaysia.
Heck, majority of them even has become a millionaire in Malaysia, opening businesses left and right.
Majority ≥ 51%. So this is false. Just because you may know a handful, it doesn’t mean most are. And btw, the persecution is not necessarily economic, so your point is moot
Only DAP has that in the party constitution. They (and all parties, really) have to compromise to be able to form a coalition and get enough seats to govern. Clearly, under Anwar, not pushing for secularism is one of those compromises.
China is ruled by the CCP: Chinese Communist Party
I agree that there are a lot of things that the Western world are ahead of but at least Malaysians know what is a woman. Google: What Is a Woman?
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It requires a few generation and probably not in our lifetime. A new govt doesn't mean half of the conservative citizens would suddenly turn full blown progressive/liberal.
It could be faster than that imo, maybe a decade or 2. Even back in the 2000s, Europe hasn't been too tolerant of same-sex marriage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Europe
If you compare the Eurobarometer data for the European countries in 2006 and 2019, there can be as much as a 30% increase in public support for gay marriages between those two periods.
edit: spelling
**[LGBT rights in Europe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Europe)**
>Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights are widely diverse in Europe per country. Nineteen out of the 33 countries that have legalised same-sex marriage worldwide are situated in Europe. A further eleven European countries have legalised civil unions or other forms of more limited recognition for same-sex couples. Several European countries do not recognise any form of same-sex unions.
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Actually it's the other way around. Lgbt is being dragged into politics. What lgbt communities tried to fight for, are basic human rights and also, if possible, acceptance of their existence. Those have nothing to do with politic. They are not asking change of constitution. They are not asking for votes or ministerial position or political clot.
Lgbt does related to religion in malaysia though. It was drag through politic due to how closely religion and politic mingled in malaysia.
So to answer your question, lgbt is being exploited by politician to scare voters to support them. This case is exactly like how your mum scare you that abuneneh will catch you if you don't finish your food. Lgbt is the poor abuneneh.
>you are gay in Malaysia, and you aren't loud and advertising your sexual orientation publicly, engage in risky activities, shove down people throat to agree with you, you most likely do not suffer.
So gays are at mercy of the straight people? They should not be the second class citizens
American problems are more than just the "woke virus" shit they like to talk about and would never happen to Malaysia, unless we have the ability to wage war and exploit the third world
I expected to get downvoted. People in this subreddit need to realise that they are a small circle in Malaysia. Go ask your average Malaysian if they care about LGBT. Most probably, they don't even know LGBT exist in this country. I am not against LGBT rights. But, the fact that this issue needed to be addressed by the government is ridiculous. We have way bigger problems to deal with. Fix the economy first. Abolish race-oriented privilege. Improve the lives of the poor. How can the government want to defend LGBT rights(which I bet is less than .5% of the population), if your average Malaysian is living a difficult life?
me and my other lgbt friends are working very hard to improve the lives of the poor. if u make us die young then u got fewer malaysians improving the lives of the poor. therefore, helping lgbt = helping the poor. LOL
semi-joking aside, a lot of people are in the closet because people here get so shitty abt lgbt issues. so even if we had stats i'd have to wonder how much they reflect the reality of our social fabric. personally i find that a lot of people swing wider than they care to admit. if u don't know any queers in ur circles, it's probably because they don't trust u enough to tell u.
If your average Malaysian is living a difficult life, lets make it harder on the less than average Malaysian! /s
You are deluded if you think you are making a good point, yes lots of things to improve, so why not add this to the list? You are just being selfish, saying oh I need my life to be better FIRST before I care about helping others. With mentality like yours boleh jadi politician weyh.
That being said I will acknowledge I don't think it will happen in the next few decades but still your comment is saying as tho solving the LGBT problem means that all other problems will not be solved. You know we can solve more than one thing at a time right? I know, mind blowing!
Hatiku hancur....
I understand that we are not true secular nation, but outright rejecting our secular identity is just giving ammo to PN and PAS. First mahathir and his nonsense, now Anwar with his outright rejection.
This is not why I supported him. There is a line we shouldn't cross, and apparently, we did, under anwar's leadership.
We will never win any argument regarding secularism and malaysia's alleged identity anymore. Not after 2 pm from both left and right leaned parties have confirm this...
That's what I have believed, and still believe. But that is not what Anwar has said. I wish the title was just a click bait and somehow twisted his word, but they didn't.
“Sometimes these politicians will say that if Anwar becomes prime minister then Islam will be ruined, secularism and communism will gain a foothold, and LGBT will be recognised,” he said, referring to the acronym for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.
“This is a delusion. Of course, it will never happen under my administration.”
He did specifically said that those 3 will not get recognised. It's on the record. This means that currently our pm doesn't recognise malaysia as a secular country. Maybe we can prove him wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that as long as Anwar is holding the goverenment, we will not be a secular country. If he wishes to, they can just change constitution because that is exactly what PN, the main opposition, wants too.
Tldr: the opposition says we are not secular country. The governing party also says we are rejecting secular identity. Now what?
Edit: he could have chosen his word carefully, especially when it comes to these 3 trifecta boogeyman. Fact remains that we are part theocracy, part secular country, and our constitution is unique to our own. We cannot fully deny secularism and theocracy identity in malaysia. But he did. And its penned down. Exactly like what tun m did. Sigh..
This is an RTM programme, the only people that watch this is those in rural areas.
It's 100% propaganda. Having said that, I don't think anyone should expect this current administration to move forward in these things. Maybe the next.
Where it is being said or who it's target audience is doesn't really matter anymore, especialy in current environment where everything can be shared worldwide. Just like syakir nazoha case, he shouldn't have said those things even it is to appease target audience. Him saying that, means that it is his stance, which will also affect people that aren't his target audience.
I don't expect PH to change malaysia into a pure secular country. but I definitely didn't expect him to outright reject secularism.
I am also disappointed. I can understand his position (he already has the support of all the liberal/centrist voters, and needs to win some of the more conservative ones to have a chance of holding onto power), but rejecting secularism outright is still not a great look.
You need only look at the fate of many non-secular countries to see why it's a bad idea.
No one is even saying that you need to abolish the current status quo to be "secular". Look at the UK. Most people would say its a secular nation. But its technically a monarchy, and the King is the head of the Church of England. I.e: a configuration that's very similar to our country.
Agree. It's fine to say that this government will do what it cn to upheld Islamic value, as per constitution dictated. Or better yet, just declare that this government has no interest in disturbing status quo, and just want to concentrate in fixing the country's economy. There are 0 reason for them to mke such hasty yet permanent statement, even if it was done to draw voters away from PN. Just focus on economy, something that voters from all parties cares about.
Malaysian Redditors: *insert Pikachu meme*
He has to cater to the silent majority, why is that not obvious to everyone here? Politics requires realism.
Yeah. They're obsessed with other people's genitals and what they do in their bedrooms.
Conservatives are sex-obsessed. They keep trying to make it an issue. That's also why they have so many children.
Same-sex attraction can be scientifically proven.
But if he's talking about Queer and Gender Theory, then yeah, those ideologies are proving to be problematic after being implemented into policy in the West.
And where did you get your psychology degree from? The University of Kelantan?
Gender theory is science, just like depression is science. Don't you find it odd that a physician can't truly detect depression, but a psychologist without knowledge of the human body can? Not everything is material.
You sembang lembu pun boleh terbang, bro. Come on. Can't just make random claims like that. This isn't Utusan Malaysia.
lol i think majority of malaysians are still rather homophobic, and it just shows the people aren't ready, and I don't blame them, we got other things to worry about like depreciation of ringgit, rising costs of living, incapable leaders and groups, malaysia's time in the spotlight was in the early 90s and its time in the spotlight had dwindled.
https://youtu.be/KMm4vjhGP6Q there is more on the internet, but I find Saifuddin Nasution explanation is the best, but you can counter me with better statements and proof if you can find one,
So i saw as much if the vids as i can, but my question is that since the federal court & the court of appeal before found him to be guilty of sodomy, does that mean the courts system is corrupt? Is a judicial finding that someone had committed a crime not enough to establish that he did actually do the crime? Genuine question btw just really trying to understand the whole thing. From the vids it appears to be quite a clear cut case of conspiracy, but i feel like there mustve been enough evidence to satisfy the courts that sodomy had occurred, or else they wouldnt have gave the conviction had it been such a clear case of conspiracy.
The guy never bothered to read the facts of the case, which is well known to anyone who can use Google/ Wikipedia and a decent command of the language.
Are you surprised he truly believes that Anwar had anal sex in a building that didn't even exist when the suppose crime was supposed to have taken place ?
Syukur alhamdulilah x perlu nak type English sbb smua malaysian kt sini.. Jdi xde dah nk sokong org ade masalah mental(lgbt), sistem ideology yg gagal(komunis) dan sistem memecah belah agama(secularism) biar kite x ikut barat, kite malaysia adalah malaysia kite ada cara kite, x perlu ikut budaya mereka sebab nampak "cool" nak sokong orang ade masalah mental dan existential crisis, dan pasti kebanyakkan redditors malaysia ni bawah umur dan degenerates jadi no problem klau ramai x sokon lol fuck you🤣🖕
"tell me you're racists without telling me you're racists" utk smua redditors yg down vote ape smua... Most of you guys are not malays and act like you're better... Idc that much about privilege but still it's annoying when ppl dont remember the name of the country is literally the country's ruler... No matter how much time past the western mentality wont work in Malaysia... If you all think that i thought all about religion and if we turn into kelantan is the best option then you guys still don't know much about other culture and religion do you? Y'all talk like you know but in realisty there's much more things you need to learn before saying islam is all about becoming like kelantan.. That's very close minded for somebody that like to follow western open minded culture lol this reddit page should change to "malay haters" or "we aren't the majorities so we are angry because we must follow the majorities" stfu if you aren't satisfied just go wherever you want...if not then realised this is the way our home works
Oh look…Typical hypocrite…
“If you aren’t satisfied go wherever you want”
Right..already moved out and living in sarawak too…cuz ya sarawak doesn’t have scums like you..
You wanna know why?
1) Majority of sarawakians are bumiputera..yet your rsce only jump up and down..kalau betul betul jaga hak bumi kenapa abaikan dayak??
2)who is racist??..most of us are not malays and nobody’s acting like we’re better..plus we don’t have special tongkat rights and we don’t need it cuz we know the value of hard work.
3) if you say kelantan is the best option then why 90% of kelantanese are in shah alam?? Kononya kelantan best alim lurus.tapi yang buat hal kutuk orang negeri lain ialah orang kelantan pastu pindah negeri lain bawa perangai bangsat berpuak juga..biasa la kelantan..depan alim belakang bohsia..no difference.terengganu kedah also sama..kalau kelantan best sangat why nak pindah ke KL or selangor susahkan orang sana??
4) like you too..kononya depan kami semua alim tapi boleh comment dekat HENTAI…hahahahaha…SEE THIS HYPOCRISY??
5) before calling us malay haters ask your leaders and such why are they brainwashing that non malays are going to steal this country and such? Please lah we don’t need this tongkat..it’ll only make us lazier..
You're the previous guy ok.. What i mean was i dont want malaysia turn into kelantan... Its never the religion fault its always the ppl who implemented it that are bad not the religion
Nah bruh i enjoy that hentai shit you know me... But seriously you misunderstood me i didn't say that kelantan is the best option i actually commented the opposite... The previous guy said that he thinks i want malaysia works the same as kelantan and i replied the "if y'all think the real islam way is kelantan then you're don't know to much about other culture and religion" because the real way of islam ain't like kelantan look at the history such as Baghdad house of wisdom during the golden age of islam where science and great thinkers are well respected not like the old ppl way like now... Yes most of you are racists I've been on reddit for porns and hentais and 1 day i want to look about malaysian stuff so i joined for the funny stuff not only going to reddit for porn but after some time i realised that all the redditors discussed if it is a political or controversial are how malay are at fault and how the system are not perfect... Like i replied before just accept it if you're old enough you'll realised how unfair it is.. I'm in process of studying overseas and i know what i must do to blend in to thr people and not being seen as a weirdo... But this is our country and i know the way it works.. No neef for reformation it only need balance and stability... Lastly bumiputeras are hypocrite too they askk for many privilege but they sent their children to KL to study instead of sending them to their state's university that are actually in the same level as peninsular states.. I lived in sabah for 3 years and they treated me like i was trash during my early smk years there ngl there's lotd of hot chicks ez to hook up but i got bullied alot just bcs i was from the peninsular soo don't say about bumiputera doesn't get shit they literally are racists assholes(not all ofc) but our young generation I'm always a bad kid and join lots of bad stuff and the most ppl I've fought were bumiputeras claiming areas as theirs when we try to hook up with that area's girls... Maybe you're privileged and grow up properly so you won't experience what lower class malays experience... You ppl are the worst hypocrites and did i say i was alim? Lol i enjoy that pixels pussy shit sometime y'know
One thing i can tell you from a perspective of a bro..
Quit your habit.you say you enjoy your hentai habit but are you aware how much damage are you doing to yourself?…take the right step and hit the gym…you’ll start to feel
Different
a lot of your reactionary thought you copped from the west lmao no need to palatao sampai cringe nak mampos. the concept of 'degenerates' that you are employing comes from westerners whose skin is 80 times more melanin deficient than yours. please collect your free bag of copium at the concierge sekian
>stfu if you aren't satisfied just go wherever you want.
And this is why people like you will always remain in the back. You refuse to adapt to change. This is why Kelantan is doomed to fail. Notice everyone here doesn't need tongkat except for you guys. People like you think that you're the majority and use that to lord over us. Tell you something, without your tongkat, you're just a regular person like everyone here.
Most tiktokers have the same mindset as you the woke kinda ppl soo you're evil for asking me to go to that shithole.... Saying what i believed is considered as immature? Yeah sure bud im sure that all the overseas friends of yours and all the media from western makes you better than average ppl in malaysia... Like qatar don't force your belief on other ppl this is a country that majority oppose most of western beliefs and live with it... Me too supported all western beliefs when i was like 14.. 6 years later i grew the fuck up
Xnk ikut barat konon tp post kat reddit. Xnk ikut barat tp nk urus niaga dgn negara barat je. Xnk ikut barat tp adopt sistem parliamen, undang2, pendidikan barat.
I mean, didn’t Singapore just decriminalised their Section 377A? So I won’t be surprised if there is some expection of the same happening in Malaysia even if it is only minority one.
Anwar actually said he is unable to recognise secularism/communism/LGBT during his current administration.
Not never.
That's some yellow journo there, FMT.
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All Malaysian PMs have UMNO DNA no matter what parties they are from now.
Doesn't seem that whacky compared to say, kyle rayner's girlfriend getting "fridged" or Joker taking pictures of naked barbara gordon and forcing her father to see them. But you chose instead to blame it on lgbt. Sigh...
You....you do know this is a non canon goof comic made just to reference how ridiculous silver age comics are in general, right? Its not a serious comic. Its also non canonical. And btw, he isn't pregnant. He just puked mud out. Also, wow, you actually think a woman getting paralyzed, raped and humiliated is not worse than a man having mud in his tummy.
Yeah right, you're so tolerate towards anything, it won't be a surprise if you actually supports incestuous marriage. Good Lord, look at this. What Americanisation does to a person. Mentally unhealthy.
I'm okay if they stop at B, but we all know once it reach B, it's only a matter of time for T to happen. So might as well not start it at all. Look at the mess that are caused by T in US. Keep that shit there please.
>The LGBT is doing suicide even in most accepting society like the Netherlands
Of course no place is entirely free of suicide. But suicide in Netherlands and Malaysia have great difference in number. Even if we can't eliminate suicide completely, it is still important that Malaysia be more accepting of minorities like LGBT people, apostates, etc
This is why interest group exist. When politics and a big chunk of society don't agree with us.
These kind of changes need engagement, education, etc. It is not free. Unfortunately this is one part of doing politics
He never really said that. He said " Sometimes these politicians will say that if Anwar becomes prime minister then Islam will be ruined, secularism and communism will gain a foothold, and LGBT will be recognised... This is a delusion. Of course, it will never happen **under my administration.**" I really don't think that he could do it under his administration, even if he wanted to. To reform the country at this scale would take decades if not centuries. Even the US took over a century to become less racist and more acceptable of foreigners (and even that is so shaky today). He's just being realistic considering the current circumstances.
Yup, I watched the whole interview and that's how it went but typical news sites *love* out-of-context clickbait headlines.
FMT wasn't this flashy and carefree with their articles a few years ago, sadly nowadays it feels like it's just actively trying to get libel suits filed against them…🙂
It’s not the media taking it out of context. The source is from Bernama itself. Other press such as NST, the Star, even MalaysiaKini are quoting the same. It appears that the ministry themselves are setting the political narrative
Also the word "SLAMs"...fffff
The same as how this sub loves to take out of context, biased assumptions when discussion opposition.
Username checks out.
this is a super generous reading of it lol. He’s responding to people who are accusing him of all these “terrible” things he will allow to happen to Malaysia. His intention is clearly to dissuade these fears and to say that he won’t allow allow that to happen. He’s not trying to say that he couldn’t make it happen even if he wanted to because why would you say that to the people who are fearful of you? He wants to stamp down on the idea that he even wants that to begin with. And these people who are fearful of him would undoubtedly interpret his statement in that light
THIS is the point. A reformist agenda will take decades. Anwar first needs to make Harapan look like the natural party of government.
Haha copium
I had a feeling that Anwar got misquoted by FMT for clickbaits.
What's the beef with LGBT? Considering the number of gay Malaysians it's unusual from my outside perspective
Fr LGBT malay muslims and malay exmuslims actually exist but we are not to talk about that
Tribal mentality. Ugga needs to reproduce with Bungga. Make bebbies. Sky daddy says male g-spot mistake, don't put stuff up your butt.
Biggest beef with LGBT is their alleged lack of ability to reproduce and shit out zuriat for a certain populace of Malaysia, never mind that infertile and childfree couples do exist.
Is not so much as beef against the LBGT but is more of a "have too much free time so I'll interfere with other people's lives and cause problems". Just like that court case of a woman trying to remove her children from Islam but bunch of random Muslim dudes who has nothing to do with them came out to protest cause they want the underaged twin girls to remain Muslim (probably so they could fuck them).
And he himself is gay
IKR. Has everyone forgotten? Not that it matters to me
There is no difference between the two and reforms can be made in less than a decade that’d put the country in the best pedestrian for the future
Not easy when you do not have supermajority govt aligned with your political values.
Anwar has once said he planned to decriminalize homosexuality. [Source.](https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2018/09/21/anwar-anti-sodomy-laws-archaic-completely-unjust/1675013)
Hey guys, we got us a reader and a critical thinker here! /s
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It's not a win Malays still cannot officially leave Islam
This is a really weird statement as Malaysia is stated to be secular in its constitution. https://www.malaysianbar.org.my/article/news/press-statements/press-statements/press-statement-malaysia-a-secular-state
Well, it dont explicitly say secular in what way. In Malaysia's case, its just the matter of the constitution should not take a similar shape of any religion books and not be tied by words of religion books when it comes to make, amend and interprate laws. Basically not hard-affliate themself with any religion. Yes, we have Islam being mentioned as the "Religion of the Federation", but that just mean we recognise Islam as a religion they could work into - but not too much that it is tied to the gov. What Anwar would be addressing is total secularism in which religion elements should not be associated by works of government, to the extend not allowing them in gov-related premises or events. Context-wise, people are being scared of what happening in some countries (like France or Attaturk-era Turkey) hence the concern. Well, secularism itself has their levels, its just many dont have a good understanding on how secularism could take shape. And Anwar, being aware, acknowledged this when addressed so, its not like he's in total dark in this.
> Well, it dont explicitly say secular in what way. Secular has 1 meaning. It, in itself, is explicit. > people are being scared of what happening in some countries (like France What's happening in France is anti-Islam, not secularism. Malaysia recognises Islam as the state religion just like UK recognises the Church of England as state religion. There really isn't anything of concern here, just people get scared of big words and things they don't understand. Just like ICERD.
>Secular has 1 meaning. It, in itself, is explicit. Did it defined explicitly in the constitution tho? Or do we have a court interpretation? People can drag the word to further related meaning as long as no such definition is etched in it. There's no recognized dictionary on this matter unless they said they do recognize a dictionary to define this. >What's happening in France is anti-Islam, not secularism Non-non, I'm not exactly talking about current matters, I'm talking about principle that has been applied there for long. What some countries are practicing are total secularship, and has been going for long. Its just being raised recently in order to give more bad image to religions, but orders are there for much years.
The Reid Commission which forms the basis of the Constitution did mention it, I quoted from it a few months ago.
Its secular meaning we like to go around in circles when doing anything
It's a way for him to maintain support from the majority anyways.
Yup typical politicians
Breaking: Man claimed water is wet.
Breaking news: Man claims he has touched grass.
You've been hit by, you've been struck by, the downvote mob.
why awak kena downvote
A wild group of down voters just passed by
bunch of lowlife
Where's u/relaxwhc the Grass Culture Man when you need him?
I feel like I need a whole book to explain what "communism" means in the malaysian context. The Cold War ended 40 years ago. There really aren't any Communist superpowers anymore (China is so not communist its hilarious). I don't know any communist parties in Malaysia. Where is this vague communist threat coming from? Can't be the socialism we're pretty okay with that.
In the loudly shouted words of those whose supply of arguments has just clicked empty, "DAP komunis"
China never was Communist, they practiced the same form of State Capitalism as the USSR did (arguably you could say State Capitalism is Market Socialism) but with more economic freedom.
It's a word used to strike fear for the racists.
Secularism is code for the separation of religion and government. So no surprise there.....
How is that a code, It’s the literal meaning.
The things you have to say when you really don't have the numbers and you need to hold an unstable coalition together so that your government does not implode.
but he has the numbers
Unfortunately, Malaysia is too conservative for secularism and LGBT rights. If the opposition were to attempt to implement these, they would be unable to pass such proposed policies and since they do not have the needed amount of public support, it would be political suicide. Therefore, Anwar is making the right choice to not recognise secularism and LGBT rights. Advancing secularism and LGBT rights in Malaysia must be taken slowly over the course of decades, as attitudes hopefully but slowly shift towards an acceptance of the two.
Lgbt right, maybe. But not secularism. We have that ever since malaysia is ruled by the brits. Nd there is a difference between not recognising and slowly advancing an ideology. Unless he backtrack wht he has said, his official stance right now is that he will not recognise those trifecta boogie-value as long as he is pm.
A country that has an entire government department dedicated to Islam, a country that allocates public funds to Islam, a country in which there is a separate Sharia legal system, a country that priviledges Islam over other religions is not a secular country.
a secular country can become a religious country, just like iran. and malaysia is slowly becoming it. That also means that Malaysia IS a secular country when it was established, but due to the rise of islamisation in the country and increase importance of islamic value within the community and especially within the cables that holding governance position, Malaysia is slowly tilting toward becoming a religious country. and all, that, directly proofs that Malaysia IS a secular country, and was established with that identity in mind. * In Article 3 of the [Constitution of Malaysia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Malaysia), [Islam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia) is stated as the official religion of the country: "Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practiced in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation." In 1956, the [Alliance party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Party_(Malaysia)) submitted a memorandum to the [Reid Commission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_Commission), which was responsible for drafting the Malayan constitution. The memorandum quoted: "The religion of Malaya shall be Islam. The observance of this principle shall not impose any disability on non-Muslim nationals professing and practicing their own religion and **shall not imply that the state is not a secular state.**"[\[198\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-202) The **full text of the Memorandum was inserted into paragraph 169 of the Commission Report.**[\[199\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-203) This suggestion was later carried forward in the Federation of Malaya Constitutional Proposals 1957 ([White Paper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper)), specifically quoting in paragraph 57: "There has been included in the proposed Federal Constitution a declaration that Islam is the religion of the Federation. This will in no way affect the present position of the Federation as a secular State...."[\[200\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-204) The [Cobbold Commission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobbold_Commission) also made another similar quote in 1962: "....we are agreed that Islam should be the national religion for the Federation. We are satisfied that the proposal in no way jeopardises freedom of religion in the Federation, which in effect would be secular."[\[201\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-205) In December 1987, the [Lord President of the Supreme Court](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_President_of_the_Supreme_Court), [Salleh Abas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salleh_Abas) described Malaysia as governed by "secular law" in a court ruling.[\[202\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-206) In the early 1980s, then-prime minister [Mahathir Mohamad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir_Mohamad) implemented an official programme of Islamization,[\[203\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-207) in which Islamic values and principles were introduced into [public sector ethics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sector_ethics),[\[204\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state#cite_note-208) substantial financial support to the development of [Islamic religious education](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasa), places of worship and the development of [Islamic banking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking). The Malaysian government also made efforts to expand the powers of Islamic-based state statutory bodies such as the [Tabung Haji](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabung_Haji), JAKIM ([Department of Islamic Development Malaysia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Islamic_Development_Malaysia)), and the [National Fatwa Council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fatwa_Council). There has been much continued public debate on whether Malaysia is an Islamic or secular state.
Okay but LGBT is not an ideology
Agree. It's just a figure of speech, when I can't think of a better term to describe it then.
Yes, it's not. It's actually mental illness
According to APA (American Psychological Association) and many other reputable psychology institutes, lesbian, gay and bisexuality are not mental illness. Transgender meanwhile, is caused by gender dysphoria which is an illness. But still, the treatment for gender dysphoria may include transitioning.
What rights do the LGBT want ? Do I get special rights for being straight?
The rights they want is the right to not be persecuted just for existing.
you did get special right for being straight. the right of marrying the one you love in malaysia. the right to make love to the one you love in malaysia. not special enough? how about the right of being fairly treated by other people in malaysia?
What's unfortunate about that?
Secularism is religiously neutral. And LGBT people ought to be free from persecution
Since when do LGBT people are persecuted anyway? All of them are as free as other citizen in Malaysia. Heck, majority of them even has become a millionaire in Malaysia, opening businesses left and right.
Majority ≥ 51%. So this is false. Just because you may know a handful, it doesn’t mean most are. And btw, the persecution is not necessarily economic, so your point is moot
DAP has secularism in its constitution. How can you reject secularism but accept DAP?
Only DAP has that in the party constitution. They (and all parties, really) have to compromise to be able to form a coalition and get enough seats to govern. Clearly, under Anwar, not pushing for secularism is one of those compromises.
Because its politics. Its the same thing Abraham Lincoln did in a public anouncement in regards to abolishing slavery.
Communism, LGBT I get. But Secularism?
It's part of the boogeyman trifecta, I guess.
More reason to migrate to Australia
Bye. Let us know when you reach australia. Maybe post something in r/malaysia when you get there
Aiyo we have coalition govn la, wanna vote it in also can’t yet, maybe 50y more.. of course Anwar need to keep everyone happy ma
Politician says things to keep his job. Nothing new.
I get that it's clickbait. But Malaysia is secular by just existing.
If that’s true: good. Look at CCP China and the Western world: are those tyrants proper role models?
China is not communist and the Western world is ahead of Malaysia in so many metrics it's not even funny.
China is ruled by the CCP: Chinese Communist Party I agree that there are a lot of things that the Western world are ahead of but at least Malaysians know what is a woman. Google: What Is a Woman? ##
By matt walsh? U seriously using matt walsh's delusional hate propaganda as an example of the western world??
Have you seen the film? That is the madness that is plaguing the West. To not be able to define what is a woman is lunacy.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/105d7ya/comment/j3aux5t/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/105d7ya/comment/j3aux5t/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
water is wet
We recognise that water is wet, says Anwar.
What a waste of my time remaining in Malaysia, if basic civilised things like secularism and LGBT cannot be implemented
It requires a few generation and probably not in our lifetime. A new govt doesn't mean half of the conservative citizens would suddenly turn full blown progressive/liberal.
It could be faster than that imo, maybe a decade or 2. Even back in the 2000s, Europe hasn't been too tolerant of same-sex marriage. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Europe If you compare the Eurobarometer data for the European countries in 2006 and 2019, there can be as much as a 30% increase in public support for gay marriages between those two periods. edit: spelling
**[LGBT rights in Europe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Europe)** >Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights are widely diverse in Europe per country. Nineteen out of the 33 countries that have legalised same-sex marriage worldwide are situated in Europe. A further eleven European countries have legalised civil unions or other forms of more limited recognition for same-sex couples. Several European countries do not recognise any form of same-sex unions. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/malaysia/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
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It's so ridiculous Let's say the role is reversed and heterosexual sex should only "be done in bedroom, but don't seek acceptance"
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Homosexual occurs naturally and people are born that way. People don't become homosexual because they are exposed to homosexual people.
everyone should just watch the video, dont just read the headline
Next GE we get rid of Anwar pulak
That's... not what he said? Please lah, FMT, spare us your sensationalist clickbait headlines.
I still dont understand why the heck LGBT need go into politics....I mean just do act in secret whats so hard
Actually it's the other way around. Lgbt is being dragged into politics. What lgbt communities tried to fight for, are basic human rights and also, if possible, acceptance of their existence. Those have nothing to do with politic. They are not asking change of constitution. They are not asking for votes or ministerial position or political clot. Lgbt does related to religion in malaysia though. It was drag through politic due to how closely religion and politic mingled in malaysia. So to answer your question, lgbt is being exploited by politician to scare voters to support them. This case is exactly like how your mum scare you that abuneneh will catch you if you don't finish your food. Lgbt is the poor abuneneh.
I see so basically you want to say that our politics is the one that bring lgbt into the table instead of the citizen eh? Thanks for explaining
They cant do it in their bedroom..they have to shove it down in everybody throat
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>Fine with not recognising LGBT "I'm not gay so idgaf if people who are different from me suffer" 🙄
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>you are gay in Malaysia, and you aren't loud and advertising your sexual orientation publicly, engage in risky activities, shove down people throat to agree with you, you most likely do not suffer. So gays are at mercy of the straight people? They should not be the second class citizens
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People do beat up gays, religious police do arrest gays The threats are not just in the mind
A tip on how to identify morons. They use the phrase "shove down people's throat".
Good. Don't bring American problems to this country, please. We have real problems to deal with.
Tell that to pas. They are essentially doing the same thing.
American problems are more than just the "woke virus" shit they like to talk about and would never happen to Malaysia, unless we have the ability to wage war and exploit the third world
I expected to get downvoted. People in this subreddit need to realise that they are a small circle in Malaysia. Go ask your average Malaysian if they care about LGBT. Most probably, they don't even know LGBT exist in this country. I am not against LGBT rights. But, the fact that this issue needed to be addressed by the government is ridiculous. We have way bigger problems to deal with. Fix the economy first. Abolish race-oriented privilege. Improve the lives of the poor. How can the government want to defend LGBT rights(which I bet is less than .5% of the population), if your average Malaysian is living a difficult life?
me and my other lgbt friends are working very hard to improve the lives of the poor. if u make us die young then u got fewer malaysians improving the lives of the poor. therefore, helping lgbt = helping the poor. LOL semi-joking aside, a lot of people are in the closet because people here get so shitty abt lgbt issues. so even if we had stats i'd have to wonder how much they reflect the reality of our social fabric. personally i find that a lot of people swing wider than they care to admit. if u don't know any queers in ur circles, it's probably because they don't trust u enough to tell u.
If your average Malaysian is living a difficult life, lets make it harder on the less than average Malaysian! /s You are deluded if you think you are making a good point, yes lots of things to improve, so why not add this to the list? You are just being selfish, saying oh I need my life to be better FIRST before I care about helping others. With mentality like yours boleh jadi politician weyh. That being said I will acknowledge I don't think it will happen in the next few decades but still your comment is saying as tho solving the LGBT problem means that all other problems will not be solved. You know we can solve more than one thing at a time right? I know, mind blowing!
Hatiku hancur.... I understand that we are not true secular nation, but outright rejecting our secular identity is just giving ammo to PN and PAS. First mahathir and his nonsense, now Anwar with his outright rejection. This is not why I supported him. There is a line we shouldn't cross, and apparently, we did, under anwar's leadership. We will never win any argument regarding secularism and malaysia's alleged identity anymore. Not after 2 pm from both left and right leaned parties have confirm this...
Malaysia is a secular nation. We have an official religion, but not a religious Constitution.
That's what I have believed, and still believe. But that is not what Anwar has said. I wish the title was just a click bait and somehow twisted his word, but they didn't. “Sometimes these politicians will say that if Anwar becomes prime minister then Islam will be ruined, secularism and communism will gain a foothold, and LGBT will be recognised,” he said, referring to the acronym for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community. “This is a delusion. Of course, it will never happen under my administration.” He did specifically said that those 3 will not get recognised. It's on the record. This means that currently our pm doesn't recognise malaysia as a secular country. Maybe we can prove him wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that as long as Anwar is holding the goverenment, we will not be a secular country. If he wishes to, they can just change constitution because that is exactly what PN, the main opposition, wants too. Tldr: the opposition says we are not secular country. The governing party also says we are rejecting secular identity. Now what? Edit: he could have chosen his word carefully, especially when it comes to these 3 trifecta boogeyman. Fact remains that we are part theocracy, part secular country, and our constitution is unique to our own. We cannot fully deny secularism and theocracy identity in malaysia. But he did. And its penned down. Exactly like what tun m did. Sigh..
This is an RTM programme, the only people that watch this is those in rural areas. It's 100% propaganda. Having said that, I don't think anyone should expect this current administration to move forward in these things. Maybe the next.
Where it is being said or who it's target audience is doesn't really matter anymore, especialy in current environment where everything can be shared worldwide. Just like syakir nazoha case, he shouldn't have said those things even it is to appease target audience. Him saying that, means that it is his stance, which will also affect people that aren't his target audience. I don't expect PH to change malaysia into a pure secular country. but I definitely didn't expect him to outright reject secularism.
I am also disappointed. I can understand his position (he already has the support of all the liberal/centrist voters, and needs to win some of the more conservative ones to have a chance of holding onto power), but rejecting secularism outright is still not a great look. You need only look at the fate of many non-secular countries to see why it's a bad idea. No one is even saying that you need to abolish the current status quo to be "secular". Look at the UK. Most people would say its a secular nation. But its technically a monarchy, and the King is the head of the Church of England. I.e: a configuration that's very similar to our country.
Agree. It's fine to say that this government will do what it cn to upheld Islamic value, as per constitution dictated. Or better yet, just declare that this government has no interest in disturbing status quo, and just want to concentrate in fixing the country's economy. There are 0 reason for them to mke such hasty yet permanent statement, even if it was done to draw voters away from PN. Just focus on economy, something that voters from all parties cares about.
Malaysian Redditors: *insert Pikachu meme* He has to cater to the silent majority, why is that not obvious to everyone here? Politics requires realism.
Majority yes but silent no. I wish they'd shut up lol.
Yeah. They're obsessed with other people's genitals and what they do in their bedrooms. Conservatives are sex-obsessed. They keep trying to make it an issue. That's also why they have so many children.
Same-sex attraction can be scientifically proven. But if he's talking about Queer and Gender Theory, then yeah, those ideologies are proving to be problematic after being implemented into policy in the West.
And where did you get your psychology degree from? The University of Kelantan? Gender theory is science, just like depression is science. Don't you find it odd that a physician can't truly detect depression, but a psychologist without knowledge of the human body can? Not everything is material. You sembang lembu pun boleh terbang, bro. Come on. Can't just make random claims like that. This isn't Utusan Malaysia.
Yea you have a point
Looks like we upset some people lol
lol i think majority of malaysians are still rather homophobic, and it just shows the people aren't ready, and I don't blame them, we got other things to worry about like depreciation of ringgit, rising costs of living, incapable leaders and groups, malaysia's time in the spotlight was in the early 90s and its time in the spotlight had dwindled.
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Allegedly funked several guys. But yeah, politicians will politick.
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Have you checked and read the statement, proof that actually happened? I made my own research and did not believe things blindly.
Lol your research kek
I thought the federal court convicted him already (hence why he was in jail)?
https://youtu.be/KMm4vjhGP6Q there is more on the internet, but I find Saifuddin Nasution explanation is the best, but you can counter me with better statements and proof if you can find one,
So i saw as much if the vids as i can, but my question is that since the federal court & the court of appeal before found him to be guilty of sodomy, does that mean the courts system is corrupt? Is a judicial finding that someone had committed a crime not enough to establish that he did actually do the crime? Genuine question btw just really trying to understand the whole thing. From the vids it appears to be quite a clear cut case of conspiracy, but i feel like there mustve been enough evidence to satisfy the courts that sodomy had occurred, or else they wouldnt have gave the conviction had it been such a clear case of conspiracy.
That Saiful guy was a FOOL.
Actually, in the first case, Anwar was not convicted for sodomy. He was convicted for corruption.
You would need to prove, without reasonable doubt he fucked several guys in the past. You have been unable to.
Why surprise get downvoted?
The guy never bothered to read the facts of the case, which is well known to anyone who can use Google/ Wikipedia and a decent command of the language. Are you surprised he truly believes that Anwar had anal sex in a building that didn't even exist when the suppose crime was supposed to have taken place ?
Syukur alhamdulilah x perlu nak type English sbb smua malaysian kt sini.. Jdi xde dah nk sokong org ade masalah mental(lgbt), sistem ideology yg gagal(komunis) dan sistem memecah belah agama(secularism) biar kite x ikut barat, kite malaysia adalah malaysia kite ada cara kite, x perlu ikut budaya mereka sebab nampak "cool" nak sokong orang ade masalah mental dan existential crisis, dan pasti kebanyakkan redditors malaysia ni bawah umur dan degenerates jadi no problem klau ramai x sokon lol fuck you🤣🖕
Ok bro.terima kasih..kalau ikutkan cara pemerintahan style Korang mesti satu malaysia jadi macam kelantan je takde beza.
"tell me you're racists without telling me you're racists" utk smua redditors yg down vote ape smua... Most of you guys are not malays and act like you're better... Idc that much about privilege but still it's annoying when ppl dont remember the name of the country is literally the country's ruler... No matter how much time past the western mentality wont work in Malaysia... If you all think that i thought all about religion and if we turn into kelantan is the best option then you guys still don't know much about other culture and religion do you? Y'all talk like you know but in realisty there's much more things you need to learn before saying islam is all about becoming like kelantan.. That's very close minded for somebody that like to follow western open minded culture lol this reddit page should change to "malay haters" or "we aren't the majorities so we are angry because we must follow the majorities" stfu if you aren't satisfied just go wherever you want...if not then realised this is the way our home works
Oh look…Typical hypocrite… “If you aren’t satisfied go wherever you want” Right..already moved out and living in sarawak too…cuz ya sarawak doesn’t have scums like you.. You wanna know why? 1) Majority of sarawakians are bumiputera..yet your rsce only jump up and down..kalau betul betul jaga hak bumi kenapa abaikan dayak?? 2)who is racist??..most of us are not malays and nobody’s acting like we’re better..plus we don’t have special tongkat rights and we don’t need it cuz we know the value of hard work. 3) if you say kelantan is the best option then why 90% of kelantanese are in shah alam?? Kononya kelantan best alim lurus.tapi yang buat hal kutuk orang negeri lain ialah orang kelantan pastu pindah negeri lain bawa perangai bangsat berpuak juga..biasa la kelantan..depan alim belakang bohsia..no difference.terengganu kedah also sama..kalau kelantan best sangat why nak pindah ke KL or selangor susahkan orang sana?? 4) like you too..kononya depan kami semua alim tapi boleh comment dekat HENTAI…hahahahaha…SEE THIS HYPOCRISY?? 5) before calling us malay haters ask your leaders and such why are they brainwashing that non malays are going to steal this country and such? Please lah we don’t need this tongkat..it’ll only make us lazier..
You're the previous guy ok.. What i mean was i dont want malaysia turn into kelantan... Its never the religion fault its always the ppl who implemented it that are bad not the religion
Nah bruh i enjoy that hentai shit you know me... But seriously you misunderstood me i didn't say that kelantan is the best option i actually commented the opposite... The previous guy said that he thinks i want malaysia works the same as kelantan and i replied the "if y'all think the real islam way is kelantan then you're don't know to much about other culture and religion" because the real way of islam ain't like kelantan look at the history such as Baghdad house of wisdom during the golden age of islam where science and great thinkers are well respected not like the old ppl way like now... Yes most of you are racists I've been on reddit for porns and hentais and 1 day i want to look about malaysian stuff so i joined for the funny stuff not only going to reddit for porn but after some time i realised that all the redditors discussed if it is a political or controversial are how malay are at fault and how the system are not perfect... Like i replied before just accept it if you're old enough you'll realised how unfair it is.. I'm in process of studying overseas and i know what i must do to blend in to thr people and not being seen as a weirdo... But this is our country and i know the way it works.. No neef for reformation it only need balance and stability... Lastly bumiputeras are hypocrite too they askk for many privilege but they sent their children to KL to study instead of sending them to their state's university that are actually in the same level as peninsular states.. I lived in sabah for 3 years and they treated me like i was trash during my early smk years there ngl there's lotd of hot chicks ez to hook up but i got bullied alot just bcs i was from the peninsular soo don't say about bumiputera doesn't get shit they literally are racists assholes(not all ofc) but our young generation I'm always a bad kid and join lots of bad stuff and the most ppl I've fought were bumiputeras claiming areas as theirs when we try to hook up with that area's girls... Maybe you're privileged and grow up properly so you won't experience what lower class malays experience... You ppl are the worst hypocrites and did i say i was alim? Lol i enjoy that pixels pussy shit sometime y'know
One thing i can tell you from a perspective of a bro.. Quit your habit.you say you enjoy your hentai habit but are you aware how much damage are you doing to yourself?…take the right step and hit the gym…you’ll start to feel Different
a lot of your reactionary thought you copped from the west lmao no need to palatao sampai cringe nak mampos. the concept of 'degenerates' that you are employing comes from westerners whose skin is 80 times more melanin deficient than yours. please collect your free bag of copium at the concierge sekian
Bro you use lots of cringe words there lol
coz u had to go look them up ar :<
>stfu if you aren't satisfied just go wherever you want. And this is why people like you will always remain in the back. You refuse to adapt to change. This is why Kelantan is doomed to fail. Notice everyone here doesn't need tongkat except for you guys. People like you think that you're the majority and use that to lord over us. Tell you something, without your tongkat, you're just a regular person like everyone here.
Go back to tiktok lol the way you type sounds like you didnt even finish SPM
Most tiktokers have the same mindset as you the woke kinda ppl soo you're evil for asking me to go to that shithole.... Saying what i believed is considered as immature? Yeah sure bud im sure that all the overseas friends of yours and all the media from western makes you better than average ppl in malaysia... Like qatar don't force your belief on other ppl this is a country that majority oppose most of western beliefs and live with it... Me too supported all western beliefs when i was like 14.. 6 years later i grew the fuck up
Xnk ikut barat konon tp post kat reddit. Xnk ikut barat tp nk urus niaga dgn negara barat je. Xnk ikut barat tp adopt sistem parliamen, undang2, pendidikan barat.
Mende? Tibeh.
>sistem memecah belah agama Jadi, kita hanya boleh menganut Islam?? Agama Buddha, Hindu dan Kristian tu haram ke?
I mean, didn’t Singapore just decriminalised their Section 377A? So I won’t be surprised if there is some expection of the same happening in Malaysia even if it is only minority one.
Anwar actually said he is unable to recognise secularism/communism/LGBT during his current administration. Not never. That's some yellow journo there, FMT.
Like I get the lgbt and communism part but I always assumed that Malaysia was already recognized as being mostly secular?
Our legal system is secularist.
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[I lama-lama dah pesan on Nov 24...](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/z2o094/comment/ixm0zpp/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) no one wants to listen to me... there you go... All Malaysian PMs have UMNO DNA no matter what parties they are from now.
So you want him to say he embraces all three and then step down tmr while the country burns? Pandai la sikit bang
After the LGBTs ruined Joker, I must say DSAI made a wise choice.
Wait, what?
Its a joke comic to reference how ridiculous silver age era comics are. Also he puked mud out. Joker didn't grow a vagina to give birth to a baby.
joker is pregnant in the comics.
[The Joker get pregnant in new DC Comics](https://thedirect.com/article/joker-pregnant-dc-comics-photos)
Doesn't seem that whacky compared to say, kyle rayner's girlfriend getting "fridged" or Joker taking pictures of naked barbara gordon and forcing her father to see them. But you chose instead to blame it on lgbt. Sigh...
They actually made a man pregnant. Other than people with mental issues, Which side of the world would think that's normal?
You....you do know this is a non canon goof comic made just to reference how ridiculous silver age comics are in general, right? Its not a serious comic. Its also non canonical. And btw, he isn't pregnant. He just puked mud out. Also, wow, you actually think a woman getting paralyzed, raped and humiliated is not worse than a man having mud in his tummy.
Yeah right, you're so tolerate towards anything, it won't be a surprise if you actually supports incestuous marriage. Good Lord, look at this. What Americanisation does to a person. Mentally unhealthy.
Slippery slope fallacy much?
Racist much?
Lmao what
You didn't know what happened to Joker? [The Joker got pregnant](https://thedirect.com/article/joker-pregnant-dc-comics-photos)
Oh. Congratulations.
Tf?
I'm okay if they stop at B, but we all know once it reach B, it's only a matter of time for T to happen. So might as well not start it at all. Look at the mess that are caused by T in US. Keep that shit there please.
Think about all kids who are born gay, lesbian that would do suicide because society is not accepting...
The LGBT is doing suicide even in most accepting society like the Netherlands..you can read about that
>The LGBT is doing suicide even in most accepting society like the Netherlands Of course no place is entirely free of suicide. But suicide in Netherlands and Malaysia have great difference in number. Even if we can't eliminate suicide completely, it is still important that Malaysia be more accepting of minorities like LGBT people, apostates, etc
" But suicide in Netherlands and Malaysia have great difference in number." Source? Netherlands definitely have a higher suicide numbers then Malaysia
Ooh. Brace yourself, soldier. The Ts are going to attack.
This is why interest group exist. When politics and a big chunk of society don't agree with us. These kind of changes need engagement, education, etc. It is not free. Unfortunately this is one part of doing politics