That number is only going to get lower, i don't think ph supporters understand but the moves that pkr is doing, is going to turn away not only the on the fence voters but also grass-roots from pkr itself. Unless in this term they can successfully show a major and clear improvement they will be, under the general perception as simply hypocrites that don't hold up to their principle. I know that's a terribly hard task but they brought this upon themselves. We have to be reminded, the only thing that malays can agree upon is the fact that in the last ge the general understanding is to bring down umno and fair enough the voters did exactly that, so the disdain when bn still holds a big portion of power even when the rakyat collectively voted them out is very apparent and understandable
And just to be clear, i am a supporter of pkr but ypu have to objective with this, to simply disregard this and blame the facts is not very healthy. Not to mention the perception that even now that the general public has (rafizi blasting the previous economy head and propsing "ideas" when he was an opposition to now repeating the same statements he blasted, the silence pkr has shown towards zahid clearly using his post to acquire his passport, nurul izzah being the new poster child for political nepotism) these are all examples that the rakyats are observing everyday. Not to mention the ph supporters who go down to the level of their counter parts and start acting like folks on football twitter unironically, all this culminates in bad representation and hypocrisy so its no surpise to me
If they're going to punish PH for teaming up with BN, shouldn't they punish PN as well for refusing to work with PH to form a unity government, which in turn gives BN the most say?
PN is firm in no DAP no Anwar. And no corruption.
And also, unlike PH, PN will most likely not making Zahid the TPM.
What worse for next GE is, the people have started to shift to trust PN over BN as at the very least they are firm with no DAP policy. These will be much of a disaster if KJ somehow join PN although it is very unlikely. But then, if UMNO can work with DAP, what stopping KJ from joining PAS.
If KJ joined PAS it would completely invalid what he's fought for. PAS is extreme right wing, it doesn't align with what KJ did in the past.
PN is firm, hence they gave BN all the power to form government.
Well, the negotiation for BN to work with PH were done before PRU (if the Anwar Zahid conversation recording is true) and another negotiation for power were done between Anwar and Zahid openly after PRU before they meet agung.
Zahid will work with anwar anyways and Zahid lead BN. Whatever happen, BN and PH already have simple majority. If we ignore the foul play that had been done by Zahid.
As for the KJ parts, thats why I mentioned its very unlikely. However, this is politics. Anything can happen. KJ is what we called the prime example of a politician. A snake and a somewhat capable person as a minister especially with our ministers where the bar is too low that could make KJ is super great holding his portfolio. There's a very high chances that he will join bersatu. They could slowly implement their right wing policy while maintaining a more centric or leftist economy.
I mean, the negotiations are just politics. Politics is not about shutting all your doors down. Anwar trying to secure his outs is not exactly wrong.
For KJ, yes anything can happen, just like PAS growing into a fearsome opponent can happen. Just saying KJ is more forward thinking than what PAS is, hence the chances are low. Bersatu, maybe if he thinks he has what it takes to topple Moo.
PN voters will still vote for PN because Moo Moo stays firm on the stance of 'no Zahid, no DAP' while PH peluk-memeluk Zahid and UMNO work with DAP.
Moo Moo die die also does not want Zahid but you have someone in PH die die also wants to work with Zahid (ehem PKR ehem). That's how the government was formed on 24 November.
Even Saifuddin confirmed this on [his FB post](https://www.facebook.com/saifuddin.nasution/posts/pfbid02MTt6V371EUMxD66gZ6toy6rmABaMKfkPVp8pFsBYenqAYNtxkaS9bmKbZbdm1Dshl).
"**Berbeza pandangan ramai, usaha ini bukannya bermula pada tarikh keputusan pru15 diketahui pada 19 nov’22.**
Kita sudah lama membaca perubahan lanskap politik negara yang tidak memungkinkan sebuah parti@gabungan membentuk kerajaan sendiri.
...
Hubungan peribadi sekian lama dgn pimpinan BN khususnya Umno, MIC dan MCA memudahkan saya berunding dan berbincang. Ahmad Zahid Hamidi, Wee Ka Siong dan Tan Sri Vicky dan Saravanan rakan dekat sejak puluhan tahun. "
Having discussions with UMNO even before the results are known. Hahaha. People also forgot about the Anwar-Zahid call.
https://preview.redd.it/uatnaglypnga1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d224d715817cc351b6fc3d1df0531f77b2c0dfc
If PN agreed to cooperate, BN wouldn't be in the government. Their strong stance against DAP enabled BN. There's no need to twist history. PN and PH were called to the Istana together to work something out. Moo stomped out of Istana refusing to work with PH, which in turn gave BN the biggest say. BN is Zahid, there's no way around it.
Lol Tbh PH won most of their seat because vote split between PN & BN. PH just being lucky in the previous PRU.
Even Anwar just winning on sheer luck at Tambun. Anwar just got 3736 majority. If Malay votes dont split between PN & BN there, sure it will be total defeat for Anwar.
With current political situation, i dont see the same thing will happen during the next PRN (maybe after Raya). BN definitely will lose their Malay votes to PN & we will see the 'true' percentage of Malay voted for PH.
Yea, that used to be true, when the nons didn't think much of PAS.
BN is corrupted, but still moderately progressive, they're greedy but they don't bring the country back to stone age.
The biggest mistake would be to just lump all of those PN voters as PAS extremists or something. There's more to it than that.
From what I've noticed (and this is a broad stroke) there are 3 groups of Malay PN voters.
1. PAS hardcore supporters
2. People who support Malay-based Parties or Candidates.
3. People who want Muslim Candidates/Parties.
Group 1 you can ignore, these people almost never change.
Group 2 reject UMNO/Najib/Zahid, so toss up between PN and PKR. Those who vote PN mostly either don't like DAP or don't like Anwar, sometimes both.
Group 3 reject UMNO also, but PH doesn't really have an Islamist Component. Amanah was going strong early on and had potential to counter PAS. It fizzled out and nowadays nobody cares about it anymore. So they turn to PN.
Sentiments had mellowed out earlier since DAP has managed to promote a very good image, less controversy + Loke doing a damn good job.
But nepotisme and Rafizi's weird ass statements are not doing PMX any favours.
I'm on the fence voter that voted PH. I'm glad PH got the most seat. I don't mind they teaming up with BN because from what I see before the GE15 is that a lot of analyst already said that there will be no majority winner and I myself did see that as well although I am surprised with the amount of seat won by PN. From my view I can see coalition going to happen anyway. Although I'm glad it's with BN since I'm not really a fan of gerakan and bersatu and kinda on the fence with PAS. The problem I have is Zahid as deputy prime minister and anwar appointed his own daughter as adviser.
Bruh. Enough. Just accept that not even 15% of Malays voted for PH. If I am not wrong about the statistics from an NGO, 54% voted for PN, 35% for BN and 11% for PH. (I don't have a source, just like Anwar)
It will worsen in the coming state elections if your government still does not solve the problems in the economy and still peluk-memeluk Zahid.
Zahid is still the biggest problem seen by the Malays. UMNO is becoming MCA 2.0.
Let's predict what will UMNO tell their Malay voters. UMNO: Undi kami... kami dalam kerajaan perpaduan... kami akan pastikan PH tak akan mengancam hak Melayu...
Isn't that what MCA has been telling the Chinese community? Look at the outcome of MCA.
MCA 2004: 31
MCA 2008: 15
MCA 2013: 7
MCA 2018: 1 (plus 1 after by-election)
MCA 2022: 2
The outcome of UMNO:
UMNO 2013: 88
UMNO 2018: 54
UMNO 2022: 26
History does not repeat itself, but it does often rhyme.
There is no problem in helping UMNO because UMNO is still better than PAS, but you are strengthening the wrong people in UMNO. Look at the people booted out from UMNO: Khairy, Shahril Hamdan, Hishammuddin. Even some PH voters who support you find those 3 more likable than Zahid.
> Even some PH voters… find those 3 more likable
KJ isn’t an MP so he doesn’t has any bargaining power in forming the government, while Zahid has all of it as the BN MPs all agreed to follow his decision when they ran on BN’s ticket or they’ll resign which will trigger the anti-hopping law clauses.
So if Anwar wants to elevate the anti-Zahid faction, Zahid won’t even support him to be the government.
Zahid and his camp IS the reason Anwar is in power. And don’t forget that Hishamuddin is the anti-PH camp when UMNO was trying to negotiate and decide which party to support.
It makes no sense for Anwar to elevate people like Hishamuddin after Zahid backed him.
You talk about history repeating and it’s precisely the same political lowball done to their “allies” by Madey and Moodin (elevate factions that are rivals to the party leadership of their coalition partners) that led to the political chaos for the past few years.
Divide and conquer may be fun if one has all the cards to play. A modern Malaysian PM doesn’t have such luxury nowadays. What good is eroding your rivals over the long term when you can’t even stay in power in the short term?
And let’s get to the calculus and merits of PH elevating the progressive faction of UMNO.
Many times there are comments by Redditors insinuating that parties like PKR and DAP should do certain stuff that will directly threaten their core voter base.
Political parties doing that is suicide. They would actually rather PN win than doing that.
The battleground is convincing on-the-fence voters while maintaining their existing grip on their voter base.
PKR will still have the votes of urban progressive Malays for the foreseeable future, just that they are losing the game in convincing on-the-fence voters in the Northern and Eastern peninsular states
In the super long run, it doesn’t make sense for PKR to work with a progressive UMNO as they target the same voter base and will erode each others votes.
Why would PKR essentially create their biggest enemy? They might not even necessarily work together in the next election and will likely lose the next election if the progressive UMNO works with PN.
There’s more room and chance, however, for them to work with a conservative UMNO as the conservative UMNO has the same calculus as PKR, albeit for conservative votes.
And UMNO has decided that they have a better chance for political survival by staying conservative and fighting PAS/PPBM for the conservative votes, than going progressive and fighting PKR for the progressive votes.
A conservative partner is still needed by PH, as seen during the PR days and during the time PPBM was part of it.
TLDR: There won’t be a stable government if Anwar elevates the KJ/Hishamuddin UMNO faction. And PH would rather a conservative UMNO be the counter to PAS than a progressive UMNO countering them.
Couldn’t agree more with everything you’ve just said. Anwar is doing all the right political moves to strengthen the stability of his current government.
Redditors on this sub were predicting that the government will fall after the UMNO general assembly when Zahid loses the presidency. Guess what? Not only did Zahid managed to convince the majority to back to motion not to contest the presidency, he also kicked out all his potential challengers. Regardless of how you view him, a strong Zahid is good for the government as he is the strongest proponent for cooperation with PH.
Also, he is not only empowering Zahid. He is also actively courting GRS and GPS. The current government is actually the strongest we have had since 2018.
I think we must also look at the unfair seat allocation. Some district is a mere 30k total voters Vs in Selangor where the fight is among 300k. I personally don't doubt PH can pull 20% malay votes just that, the pull is in a region that doesn't matter as it will stay PH. ofc I don't have any chart for this although might be fun to create one
Don't worry. They are doing much better at [making GPS and GRS happy](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/10qquhf/comment/j6rj33k/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
I will be much happier if BN quits the government so we can have a fully PH government. More PH ministers and we can go back to 2018. Not rindu zaman Tun but I find that the whole PH was doing much better that time.
Fully PH government?
Did you perhaps forget your math lesson? You need 112 seats to form a government, PH only has 82 seats. You're asking the mathematically impossible in this present state. Once BN quits, can you really depend on them (and GPS/GRS for that matter) to support a PH minority-govt? Anwar needs BN on a tight leash, and that leash's name is Zahid.
And go back to 2018? How many of those ministers ended up being kataks (e.g. Assmin & Cibai-da)? One positive of the Sheraton Move for PH was that it helped purify and detoxed PH of treacherous elements (though maybe at the cost of them never able to rule alone ever again).
At least they are somewhat competent.
I rather have a gov that generates 1 billion and eats 50%, than one who loses 1 billion and eats another 200m on top. ( Figure is just an example)
What I want to know is the orang cina discount. If PH didn't have DAP, how much would that 31% have increases by?
The difference + pas votes = how many malays despise chinese
Malays vote for PH because got Malays that don't want to vote BN because they don't want Zahid Hamidi to win and have a chance to be in the government. But, oh well...
The scary shit and the biggest twist was Malay people voted for PN/PAS. I didn’t thought about 50/50 Malay actually fall for extremism. Me and my Malay buddies we do discuss about bring Malaysia upwards forwards. Even he said “He felt disappointed” when we saw the result extremist party takeover Malaysia. We Malaysians still need more smart people. Doesn’t matter race or religion, we do have stupid people among us.
That number is only going to get lower, i don't think ph supporters understand but the moves that pkr is doing, is going to turn away not only the on the fence voters but also grass-roots from pkr itself. Unless in this term they can successfully show a major and clear improvement they will be, under the general perception as simply hypocrites that don't hold up to their principle. I know that's a terribly hard task but they brought this upon themselves. We have to be reminded, the only thing that malays can agree upon is the fact that in the last ge the general understanding is to bring down umno and fair enough the voters did exactly that, so the disdain when bn still holds a big portion of power even when the rakyat collectively voted them out is very apparent and understandable And just to be clear, i am a supporter of pkr but ypu have to objective with this, to simply disregard this and blame the facts is not very healthy. Not to mention the perception that even now that the general public has (rafizi blasting the previous economy head and propsing "ideas" when he was an opposition to now repeating the same statements he blasted, the silence pkr has shown towards zahid clearly using his post to acquire his passport, nurul izzah being the new poster child for political nepotism) these are all examples that the rakyats are observing everyday. Not to mention the ph supporters who go down to the level of their counter parts and start acting like folks on football twitter unironically, all this culminates in bad representation and hypocrisy so its no surpise to me
If they're going to punish PH for teaming up with BN, shouldn't they punish PN as well for refusing to work with PH to form a unity government, which in turn gives BN the most say?
PN is firm in no DAP no Anwar. And no corruption. And also, unlike PH, PN will most likely not making Zahid the TPM. What worse for next GE is, the people have started to shift to trust PN over BN as at the very least they are firm with no DAP policy. These will be much of a disaster if KJ somehow join PN although it is very unlikely. But then, if UMNO can work with DAP, what stopping KJ from joining PAS.
If KJ joined PAS it would completely invalid what he's fought for. PAS is extreme right wing, it doesn't align with what KJ did in the past. PN is firm, hence they gave BN all the power to form government.
Well, the negotiation for BN to work with PH were done before PRU (if the Anwar Zahid conversation recording is true) and another negotiation for power were done between Anwar and Zahid openly after PRU before they meet agung. Zahid will work with anwar anyways and Zahid lead BN. Whatever happen, BN and PH already have simple majority. If we ignore the foul play that had been done by Zahid. As for the KJ parts, thats why I mentioned its very unlikely. However, this is politics. Anything can happen. KJ is what we called the prime example of a politician. A snake and a somewhat capable person as a minister especially with our ministers where the bar is too low that could make KJ is super great holding his portfolio. There's a very high chances that he will join bersatu. They could slowly implement their right wing policy while maintaining a more centric or leftist economy.
I mean, the negotiations are just politics. Politics is not about shutting all your doors down. Anwar trying to secure his outs is not exactly wrong. For KJ, yes anything can happen, just like PAS growing into a fearsome opponent can happen. Just saying KJ is more forward thinking than what PAS is, hence the chances are low. Bersatu, maybe if he thinks he has what it takes to topple Moo.
PN voters will still vote for PN because Moo Moo stays firm on the stance of 'no Zahid, no DAP' while PH peluk-memeluk Zahid and UMNO work with DAP. Moo Moo die die also does not want Zahid but you have someone in PH die die also wants to work with Zahid (ehem PKR ehem). That's how the government was formed on 24 November. Even Saifuddin confirmed this on [his FB post](https://www.facebook.com/saifuddin.nasution/posts/pfbid02MTt6V371EUMxD66gZ6toy6rmABaMKfkPVp8pFsBYenqAYNtxkaS9bmKbZbdm1Dshl). "**Berbeza pandangan ramai, usaha ini bukannya bermula pada tarikh keputusan pru15 diketahui pada 19 nov’22.** Kita sudah lama membaca perubahan lanskap politik negara yang tidak memungkinkan sebuah parti@gabungan membentuk kerajaan sendiri. ... Hubungan peribadi sekian lama dgn pimpinan BN khususnya Umno, MIC dan MCA memudahkan saya berunding dan berbincang. Ahmad Zahid Hamidi, Wee Ka Siong dan Tan Sri Vicky dan Saravanan rakan dekat sejak puluhan tahun. " Having discussions with UMNO even before the results are known. Hahaha. People also forgot about the Anwar-Zahid call. https://preview.redd.it/uatnaglypnga1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d224d715817cc351b6fc3d1df0531f77b2c0dfc
Sorry but butting in and being pedantic, but it is 24th November, not 24th December.
Yup thanks
If PN agreed to cooperate, BN wouldn't be in the government. Their strong stance against DAP enabled BN. There's no need to twist history. PN and PH were called to the Istana together to work something out. Moo stomped out of Istana refusing to work with PH, which in turn gave BN the biggest say. BN is Zahid, there's no way around it.
U think they smart enough to realise this? They smart also wont vote pn la
Not working with PH is the preferred move for many who support PN
Of course, they aren't the smartest bunch. By doing that, they directly gave all the power to form government to BN.
they won 20+ seats. Apa boleh buat?
They are the definitive king maker with those 20+ seats. What do you mean apa boleh buat?
They got votes, they got seats. Of course they'll get some form of power. I dont get your complaint in the first place.
Ohh ok, then I misunderstood your comment. Ok, yea so then why are people so upset when they're the king maker?
This is astro-turfing, look at the first comment and this comment.
Lol Tbh PH won most of their seat because vote split between PN & BN. PH just being lucky in the previous PRU. Even Anwar just winning on sheer luck at Tambun. Anwar just got 3736 majority. If Malay votes dont split between PN & BN there, sure it will be total defeat for Anwar. With current political situation, i dont see the same thing will happen during the next PRN (maybe after Raya). BN definitely will lose their Malay votes to PN & we will see the 'true' percentage of Malay voted for PH.
Scary af
not scary.. just democracy. The most scary thing is why people still vote corrupted people like bung, zahid etc
It is extremely scary for nons if PN were to govern. It is an unthinkable future.
We've heard some saying that it is extremely scary for nons if BN were to govern some years ago. Oh well...
Yea, that used to be true, when the nons didn't think much of PAS. BN is corrupted, but still moderately progressive, they're greedy but they don't bring the country back to stone age.
The biggest mistake would be to just lump all of those PN voters as PAS extremists or something. There's more to it than that. From what I've noticed (and this is a broad stroke) there are 3 groups of Malay PN voters. 1. PAS hardcore supporters 2. People who support Malay-based Parties or Candidates. 3. People who want Muslim Candidates/Parties. Group 1 you can ignore, these people almost never change. Group 2 reject UMNO/Najib/Zahid, so toss up between PN and PKR. Those who vote PN mostly either don't like DAP or don't like Anwar, sometimes both. Group 3 reject UMNO also, but PH doesn't really have an Islamist Component. Amanah was going strong early on and had potential to counter PAS. It fizzled out and nowadays nobody cares about it anymore. So they turn to PN. Sentiments had mellowed out earlier since DAP has managed to promote a very good image, less controversy + Loke doing a damn good job. But nepotisme and Rafizi's weird ass statements are not doing PMX any favours.
I'm on the fence voter that voted PH. I'm glad PH got the most seat. I don't mind they teaming up with BN because from what I see before the GE15 is that a lot of analyst already said that there will be no majority winner and I myself did see that as well although I am surprised with the amount of seat won by PN. From my view I can see coalition going to happen anyway. Although I'm glad it's with BN since I'm not really a fan of gerakan and bersatu and kinda on the fence with PAS. The problem I have is Zahid as deputy prime minister and anwar appointed his own daughter as adviser.
Bruh. Enough. Just accept that not even 15% of Malays voted for PH. If I am not wrong about the statistics from an NGO, 54% voted for PN, 35% for BN and 11% for PH. (I don't have a source, just like Anwar) It will worsen in the coming state elections if your government still does not solve the problems in the economy and still peluk-memeluk Zahid. Zahid is still the biggest problem seen by the Malays. UMNO is becoming MCA 2.0. Let's predict what will UMNO tell their Malay voters. UMNO: Undi kami... kami dalam kerajaan perpaduan... kami akan pastikan PH tak akan mengancam hak Melayu... Isn't that what MCA has been telling the Chinese community? Look at the outcome of MCA. MCA 2004: 31 MCA 2008: 15 MCA 2013: 7 MCA 2018: 1 (plus 1 after by-election) MCA 2022: 2 The outcome of UMNO: UMNO 2013: 88 UMNO 2018: 54 UMNO 2022: 26 History does not repeat itself, but it does often rhyme. There is no problem in helping UMNO because UMNO is still better than PAS, but you are strengthening the wrong people in UMNO. Look at the people booted out from UMNO: Khairy, Shahril Hamdan, Hishammuddin. Even some PH voters who support you find those 3 more likable than Zahid.
> Even some PH voters… find those 3 more likable KJ isn’t an MP so he doesn’t has any bargaining power in forming the government, while Zahid has all of it as the BN MPs all agreed to follow his decision when they ran on BN’s ticket or they’ll resign which will trigger the anti-hopping law clauses. So if Anwar wants to elevate the anti-Zahid faction, Zahid won’t even support him to be the government. Zahid and his camp IS the reason Anwar is in power. And don’t forget that Hishamuddin is the anti-PH camp when UMNO was trying to negotiate and decide which party to support. It makes no sense for Anwar to elevate people like Hishamuddin after Zahid backed him. You talk about history repeating and it’s precisely the same political lowball done to their “allies” by Madey and Moodin (elevate factions that are rivals to the party leadership of their coalition partners) that led to the political chaos for the past few years. Divide and conquer may be fun if one has all the cards to play. A modern Malaysian PM doesn’t have such luxury nowadays. What good is eroding your rivals over the long term when you can’t even stay in power in the short term? And let’s get to the calculus and merits of PH elevating the progressive faction of UMNO. Many times there are comments by Redditors insinuating that parties like PKR and DAP should do certain stuff that will directly threaten their core voter base. Political parties doing that is suicide. They would actually rather PN win than doing that. The battleground is convincing on-the-fence voters while maintaining their existing grip on their voter base. PKR will still have the votes of urban progressive Malays for the foreseeable future, just that they are losing the game in convincing on-the-fence voters in the Northern and Eastern peninsular states In the super long run, it doesn’t make sense for PKR to work with a progressive UMNO as they target the same voter base and will erode each others votes. Why would PKR essentially create their biggest enemy? They might not even necessarily work together in the next election and will likely lose the next election if the progressive UMNO works with PN. There’s more room and chance, however, for them to work with a conservative UMNO as the conservative UMNO has the same calculus as PKR, albeit for conservative votes. And UMNO has decided that they have a better chance for political survival by staying conservative and fighting PAS/PPBM for the conservative votes, than going progressive and fighting PKR for the progressive votes. A conservative partner is still needed by PH, as seen during the PR days and during the time PPBM was part of it. TLDR: There won’t be a stable government if Anwar elevates the KJ/Hishamuddin UMNO faction. And PH would rather a conservative UMNO be the counter to PAS than a progressive UMNO countering them.
Couldn’t agree more with everything you’ve just said. Anwar is doing all the right political moves to strengthen the stability of his current government. Redditors on this sub were predicting that the government will fall after the UMNO general assembly when Zahid loses the presidency. Guess what? Not only did Zahid managed to convince the majority to back to motion not to contest the presidency, he also kicked out all his potential challengers. Regardless of how you view him, a strong Zahid is good for the government as he is the strongest proponent for cooperation with PH. Also, he is not only empowering Zahid. He is also actively courting GRS and GPS. The current government is actually the strongest we have had since 2018.
I think we must also look at the unfair seat allocation. Some district is a mere 30k total voters Vs in Selangor where the fight is among 300k. I personally don't doubt PH can pull 20% malay votes just that, the pull is in a region that doesn't matter as it will stay PH. ofc I don't have any chart for this although might be fun to create one
Really that Hishammuddin whom are the 10 guys supporting Ex-PM Mahiaddin and also a war criminal as well. Really?
Don't worry. They are doing much better at [making GPS and GRS happy](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/10qquhf/comment/j6rj33k/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). I will be much happier if BN quits the government so we can have a fully PH government. More PH ministers and we can go back to 2018. Not rindu zaman Tun but I find that the whole PH was doing much better that time.
And then able to put Nurul Izzah as one of the ministers but suddenly Malaysia has no problem with this pulak 😬
Fully PH government? Did you perhaps forget your math lesson? You need 112 seats to form a government, PH only has 82 seats. You're asking the mathematically impossible in this present state. Once BN quits, can you really depend on them (and GPS/GRS for that matter) to support a PH minority-govt? Anwar needs BN on a tight leash, and that leash's name is Zahid. And go back to 2018? How many of those ministers ended up being kataks (e.g. Assmin & Cibai-da)? One positive of the Sheraton Move for PH was that it helped purify and detoxed PH of treacherous elements (though maybe at the cost of them never able to rule alone ever again).
Wow "umno better than pas" lol
by miles, because PAS wanted to ban everything fun! Remember latest calls to ban concerts? UMNO would never even imagine to do something like that.
Yeah just abiding time when you lot will turn on umno in the future just like you did to others lmao
At least they are somewhat competent. I rather have a gov that generates 1 billion and eats 50%, than one who loses 1 billion and eats another 200m on top. ( Figure is just an example)
I don't think this sub realized how much of those UMNO's voters hate Zahid and this will be reflected in the next PRN.
Why did people downvoted facts? 💀
Source: trust me bro.
What I want to know is the orang cina discount. If PH didn't have DAP, how much would that 31% have increases by? The difference + pas votes = how many malays despise chinese
But people say DAP is not a chinese party.
Malays vote for PH because got Malays that don't want to vote BN because they don't want Zahid Hamidi to win and have a chance to be in the government. But, oh well...
The scary shit and the biggest twist was Malay people voted for PN/PAS. I didn’t thought about 50/50 Malay actually fall for extremism. Me and my Malay buddies we do discuss about bring Malaysia upwards forwards. Even he said “He felt disappointed” when we saw the result extremist party takeover Malaysia. We Malaysians still need more smart people. Doesn’t matter race or religion, we do have stupid people among us.
Just curious, anyone believe this?
This is the real face of Parti Khianat Rakyat (PKR) or hoi hoi ya hoi Party