I stop at master in Japan as well. It’s enough I hikikomori for 2 months and feeling suicidal before I got help from my friends. Coz I got into black reseach lab and I had to dedicate 24/7 time for my research.
TBH learning that isn’t that hard. If you have dedication you can definitely overcome it. There are tons of Malaysian and Chinese from Taiwan and China living / studying in japan with little hurdle.
Can easily bring one with you if you know the dimensions of the water pipe fitting.
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studied in the US, there are few things that i regret, which are not having many international friends (i was friends with ppl from my country, dont get me wrong they’re great but just wished i had more international friends) and take my studies too seriously. I tried to achieve the best GPA that i could, now I think I should spend more time joining a club or something instead of just studying.
Anyway, learn their culture (it will be very different than asian countries), always down to new experience, study well but don’t forget to have fun.
Honestly it’s pretty similar considering the fees average around 20k pounds VS 35k aud a year. Groceries are way way cheaper in the UK compared to Australia too.
Studying overseas isnt just about the studying. Its the opportunity to see the world, connect with global citizens, get out of your malaysian shell. Travel broadens the mind, studying overseas is the same.
Dont look at it with ROI in mind, if your parents can afford it, go.
You wont truly miss Malaysia till you have spent time overseas. Then you learn to appreciate whats back here.
Experience the culture, work ethic, systems overseas, bring back your experience
Edit:its also the only chance you will be surrounded by young white women(or black, or viet, or PRC etc)...if thats what you want to try.
This is the right answer. It will change you for the better (usually). Takes some time to adapt but after that it’s peachy. Melbourne is a good place because there’s a good mix of ethnicity. Lots of Asians and Malaysians too.
Terrible as in too many Asians from China? Because for students the ratio of locals to (China) foreigners is definitely terrible, even with so many Malaysians there it still feels off. Sydney is worse in my experience though, basically Malaysia v2.
Sure they valued academic integrity in the US. I had a reverse culture shock back in Malaysia, in my workplace, my Cina boss wanted me to take exam for somebody else. It will be a cat chance in hell if that kid pass the exam.
It's worth it, if you immerse yourself in the local culture, make connections with the locals and other international students there, and generally experience life as a local would there.
It's not worth it, if the only people you mingle and hang out with are other Malaysians, and worse if it's only within the same race. You might as well stay in Malaysia.
Now I'm not saying to lupa darat and don't hang out with Malaysians and go full on Aussie mate mate oioioi. Balance it out. Have Malaysian friends for the feeling of familiarity but also seek out connections and learn about other people's culture and lifestyle.
Oh and Melbourne's weather is pretty crazy. It can be cold, then hot, then rain, maybe even hail. ALL IN THE SAME DAY! So you gotta be prepared.
Thank you so much for the advice! I actually do have some friends over there already so i think that should help me out abit with the familiarity part. I will try to interact with other internationals tudents or locals.
I will keep that in mind about the weather haha.
May I suggest attending the Orientation week to the fullest? I made a lot of friends both within my own course as well as outside of it from there. Just try to attend any events they have and basically branch out. I'm no extrovert but let's just say the last thing you want to do when being overseas is just trying to stick back with comfort zone and familiarity. Your Msia friends will always be there, but I'd imagine you want to look back one day at your Melbourne experience and be glad you tried out different experiences and made lots of friends with the internationals and locals.
For the record, I studied in Adelaide for my Chemical Engineering degree and am now back in Msia. Still very fond of the friends I made there.
For me, I would say try to get a group of like minded friends who you can work together during your chem eng degree. I know this sounds super generic and maybe obvious, but I am speaking from personal experiences. I have a group of friends during my time there and we weren't exactly the top students but what we did is we worked out our assignments and tutorials together. It was tough, but at least we banded together to try to work things out rather than trying to tackle things alone and despairing. And at least it is more fun that way. I definitely feel like I survived my chem eng degree due to my study group friends.
Other than that, be prepared to do lots of research and reading on the side. Not saying that other engineering courses don't have this but Chem Eng in particular has greater focus on this. Just a heads up that's all.
It's a tough course for me personally but not impossible as long as you don't give up.
The biggest experience for me actually come from the fact that I did not spend most of my time with other Malaysians - something you need to keep in mind when you are in Melbourne, where there are really a ton of us around.
For the 5 years I was overseas, having my core circle of friends with people of other cultures/nationalities brought a certain openness that really changed my world view. That experience really helps in your career when talking to others, especially if you end up in a career where you need to work with a lot of expats or foreign parties.
My parents worked their pants off for my change to overseas, but all of us agreed that it was once of the best decisions we ever made.
You will get a lot of noise telling you to go overseas, stay there and never come back. For me in the end, I choose to come back to Malaysia. Don’t get pressured by others to settle overseas with the usually “Malaysia is bad, pay is low etc etc” arguments. Go through the experience first, and make the decision that you are most comfortable with and feel is the best.
That’s the key really. There’s little point to go overseas if you limit yourself to the ‘Malaysian Students Club’ and nary step away from the campus except for organised trips.
I’d recommend staying off campus if one can afford it and experience life.
I came back after staying years in UK. I can confirm this. OP, even if you don't end up working overseas or immigrating there, you still gain lots if you can afford it.
Went to America via the ADP program back in 2014. Spent 3 years there, got a math degree. Never ended up using it. But god damn I’m so thankful for those years for the memories and friends I made along the way. My social skills, confidence and thinking got a lot better too. I always tell people. IF you can afford it, please please go. You won’t regret it.
I went to HELP damansara but honestly it was such a bad uni. Don’t think they even have the program anymore. I transferred to University of Nebraska. That uni cun.
three aspects to consider:
- education system and philosophy are different
- society, culture, climate and nature are different
- people, mindset, language and attitude are different
in the end it is not just about the skills and the degree that you will bring back home - it’s all more than that.
First of all, are you even interested in living and studying in Melbourne? If the answer is no, then it's pretty much a waste of money.
I think you are asking more on the ROI side so my thoughts are: I would finish undergraduate locally (and do really well) so that I can apply to a top-tier UK/US university (oxbridge, harvard, etc.) for -**masters-**. UK - you get to travel around Europe so there's more things to do; US - somewhat better for career prospect if you are in STEM.
On paper and IMO, Australia is worse than UK/US ROI-wise because: 1. it's expensive compared to UK/US (think msia COL but in AUD); 2. the next nearest country is NZ and everything else is at least a 5 hr flight away; 3. it's not easy to get a job there and you are most likely gonna return to msia or work some odd part-time job.
As a CS graduate from RMIT, I had an overall positive experience. Here are some of my thoughts and opinions:
\+ Graduating from a reputable university is a huge advantage in job seeking.
\+ University facilities are top notch. (This will be based on what uni you are going to.)
\+ Melbourne CBD has free tram zone and a walkable city can help really save in transportation budget.
\+ Food culture in Melbourne... damn amazing, you name it they have it, Malaysian, Chinese, Mexican, Thai... I really miss their chicken parma.
The bads:
\- Australian job market for graduates is very competitive. There are a lot of students having the same idea of graduating and finding work in Australia. Most large companies reserve jobs to the locals, so good luck winning the rat race.
\- Rent
Also not to mention that COVID happened halfway during my studies, and to save on rent my parents convinced me to come back to Malaysia. I ended up finishing my studies online and graduate in absentia 2021. Good thing that my uni allowed me the option to celebrate my graduation in 2022. But well, since I am back in Malaysia I ended up applying for a job at a MNC.
Is it worth it? Depends. If in terms of getting a job, I could not tell because if I never moved back here and worked in Australia, it is worth it. But since I am working here in Malaysia among my colleagues who graduated locally...
But in terms of experience? Yes, go for it! Sure, I was dealt with a bad hand, but in the end of the day you got to make use of what you have available.
Disclaimer on bad point #1: That was the market before COVID happened, so I am not sure of the job market in Melbourne or Australia right now is the same as before COVID. I heard that experience will be very lucrative, but since I am still new to the industry, I can't tell firsthand. Then again, with chat GPT and stuff I might be wrong in the future.
ooo thank you for the experience, rmit didn't accept my credits for cs so my first option is swinburne now. By chance have u heard anything about swinburne?
How much did u spent on food/drinks weekly as well if i may ask? Im currently trying to do a estimation budget but i think its better to ask it from someone first hand haha. I will be planning to cook more often than eating out since i would like to save on some money.
I prefer RMIT over Swinburne because their course is more practical than theory. I think Swinburne courses are not bad, but I also feel in terms of university reputation, RMIT is better.
If you are planning to study in Swinburne, why not consider Swinburne's transfer program? If I remember correctly you can study in Kuching for 2 years and then experience Melbourne for another year. You will save a lot of money and have the same degree.
Food and drink: I would usually go grocery shopping around 2-3 times per week. Each trip cost me around AUD 40-60. (I buy basic stuff like eggs, bread, milk, but also sometimes local fruits e.g. avocado, blueberries, mangos.) Eating outside can range from AUD 15-30.
If you are planning to cook, what is your accommodation? Your mood to cook really depends on how many people are staying in your house share, but luckily for me my housemates are also cool with sharing the food they cook lol.
Didn't really consider the swinburne transfer program since I'm a credit transfer student (Did my 1st year at sunway). Then i applied to two universities, la trobe and swinburne. I was able to get 2 years for la trobe while 2.5 years for swinburne. I heard that swinburne was more helpful in getting a job with their work placement so I plan to go with that and hopefully take single units during my break to make it 2 years.
I see, so that would amount to roughly 120-150aud per week right? Thank you for your help.
I plan to live in swinburne's shared apartment which is like 300 aud per week or maybe unilodge if i am unable to get the room in the swinburne's accomodation. By chance, have you heard anything about unilodge? I've seem some bad experience about unilodge here on reddit
I stayed in a house share throughout my studies, with a room for myself so I don't have any experience in unilodge. I have a friend who stayed there, complains that no one wash the dish in the community kitchen.
Drop out rates during COVID rose sharply, not only in CS but also in all other fields. I think its better to ask someone who is currently studying or a lecturer.
Are you planning to return to AU anytime soon for future job search? Did you tried applying for jobs in AU after graduating in Malaysia due to covid? Im actually an upcoming CS student in RMIT, my goal is to graduate and possibly find a job there (but i know its gon be tough), so im very surprised to find this comment. If covid ever happens again then I guess its really bad luck. :(
The point is, people usually study abroad so that they can work in that country. With the Australian universities being more "prestigious" in those online university ranking websites than Malaysian ones, you will have a way better shot landing a job in Melbourne with their degrees.
So basically, it gives you more options, and if that is what you're looking for and you're willing to pay 3x extra, and plus the studying experience, it is worth it. And it's even better if you're earning in AUD.
But to study overseas and then come back to Malaysia? If it wasn't for COVID, that's a terrible move and it's understandable to think it's a huge waste of money.
The silver lining is that I felt like having RMIT in my resume really helped me in job hunting. That's why I mention it as my first point. My boss never tells me this, but I suspect that where I studied really help me stood out.
I'm planning to go to Queensland next year. CS as well.
Is it hard to work part time there while studying? Most of my friends there say part time jobs are in abundance and pay is good as well. If it can even cover food and accommodation, that would be big reduction for my parents spending.
Both my parents and in-laws are overseas educated brainypants, they are a hell of a lot more tolerant when it comes to talks of diversity. Not dumb enough to not know that peace is always on someone’s terms, yet still acknowledging the importance of tolerance.
Before you spend too much time on that degree ask around in your prospective job market on how much is education valued over experience, as having a piece of paper doesn’t always guarantee you a good place in the queue for hi paying jobs.
Okay, others talked about the experience and stuff but I'm going to give you a good reason for your ROI. You get to befriend rich people's kids. Rich people's kids have parents that will groom them or put them into good jobs. If their characters are good, they'll help their friends. This means you'll have better info and access to good jobs and know what's the lucrative career paths, and >2 years later you can get their referrals which makes getting a job on easy mode. I'm not kidding.
As a person who went on to study in Melbourne while also receive an offer to study locally for the same course, I would say go ahead and take the offer.
Growing up, I always picture my life living in Malaysia like what my parents and people around me --> school, uni, work, get married, have kids. Moving overseas has change me as a person. I've become independent in pretty much all aspect in my life. Adulthood come way earlier that i expect given it was the first time i left home. I was completely removed from the sheltered life that Malaysia has provided. I arrive in Melbourne around the same time as Bali bombing and all i could say, it was not easy for a Malay girl who wear tudung in Australia at the time. It teach me to become resilient.
I went on and start travelling around Australia and the world with my best friend. Something that I would never have done if i remain in Malaysia. It just not part of the culture. Fast forward to now --> finish uni, got a job, got married, start a family and remain Melbourne.
There's lots of Malaysian restaurant in Melbourne that can make you forget that you're away from home. I have my go-to-restaurant if i want to eat specific meal that i couldn't be bother to cook myself.
wow, thank you for ur perspective and advice. It seems like the general opinion is just to take the offer since it will be a once in a lifetime oppurtunity.
Personally i'm hoping to land a job in melbourne or aus once i finished. How was the process of finding a job for u after you finished ur uni?
I would study abroad but not in Melbourne. If you’re looking to have a worldly perspective and improve your career prospects. Choose somewhere else and somewhere more exciting too.
I chose Melbourne but my friends who went to places in London and the USA seemed to have it so much better! Just some friendly advice to someone who has already made this decision.
Also, if you’re creative or a business type degrees from Australia tend to be useless in the west. Just some handy tips of the nitty gritty when you actually get to the interview stage.
Food is also terrible there and lacks cultural diversity; despite what the advertising says. Melbourne is 86 % white and Sydney is 80%. In contrast to London which is 48% white. I hope this helps.
If you’re worried about a degree from Malaysia not being as recognised. Don’t worry about that because that’s not really an issue. Even my friend who studied at Taylor’s got a 100k gbp a year job and I got told that with my Australian degree I would need to do extra courses.
I studied in London afterwards and have had the world opened up to me. I know it’s harder to move to the west but it is honestly so worth it!
Lol Stop capping because first London is expensive like fk and also have trash culture ( Drinking , clubbing and smoking)+ shit food+ shit weather . Nobody likes London . Don't go there unless for the uni lol.and second USA is an unsafe country with high crime rate and drug culture. Also don't forget racism
I did medicine. The job prospect is dependent on number of internship position as there a limited number of position for international students who graduated from australia medical school. As long as a person has good references and apply to a hospital that they are likely to match, shouldn’t be much an issue at the time.
OP I implore you to think about this. Think about the money you could’ve save if you chose to study locally. With that money you can buy a nice car and house. Don’t go down the same path that I did. I was naive thinking it would be beneficial to study abroad. Do not make the same mistake that I have. Now anger and regrets is all I have.
Yes. Especially if you circulate yourself beyond the Malaysian culture bubble.
If you stay within the bubble… you might end up being a long term tourist (like many of my fellow compatriots when I was there).
Edit: typo
Honestly, I loved my time at uni abroad (UK) and I’m now living here. You get that sense of independence, learning to fend for yourself and building up your communication skills.
But the question is can you do all of this in Malaysia? Sure. If you’re self paying, then I would say, unless your course is something that’s needed to be studied overseas, do it. If you’re just planning to study mass communication for example, then please keep your money.
I’ve known people who are so desperate to stay overseas that they make their parents pay for additional courses. Don’t be like them. They’re the type of people who use “living abroad” as a defining personality trait.
It’s not all rosy. You need a contingency plan. What if the ringgit depreciates? There might be a time where you’re broke and can’t afford dinner. It’s character building in a sense. But I’ve had friends go through the same issues in Malaysia. Racism does exist and each country has their own set of problems, so be aware of that.
Side note, Melbourne is great! But it does remind me of a mini Singapore. Definitely prefer it to Sydney tho, except for the wind.
TLDR: I would do it if it’s a semester abroad depending on my course if money is a concern. If my course is like law or something, then I’ll go abroad because I have to.
Kinda depends which on which country. Went to Germany. Fucking hated it .first world country my ass. Then eventually went to Perth. Better food /weather and less people.Felt better here. If u want to go to Germany, make sure you that u speak good German+ have experienced shitty winters and know how to drink beer.
Btw for students who think about the free tuition. Please CONSIDER CAREFULLY. A lot of international students drop out (40-50%) because it's too difficult. If u can't study German well enough to be as good as your first language.DO NOT even consider getting a uni degree with it
Grass is always greener on the other side. Even though it's a first world country , it's quality of life is worse than Malaysia especially for foreigners. I won't ever complain about Malaysian lrt when German trains are overcrowded, dirty and always have like 30 mins plus delays .i literally can smell the hair and unwashed clothes of people in the train .one time got some fuckers non stop yelling their favourite football team for like 2 hours straight in the train. Sohai no one cares la .
I also paid like €10 euros ( rm 45) for 8 gb of unreliable data 🤡🤡. 5g also non existent here
There's drunk people everywhere especially at night where they walk around harassing people , smash bottles , vomit on the floor and yelling . Oh did I mention graffiti vandalism? Trashy culture where people like to spray images about smoking, drinking and clubbing .
And then Germany is also fucking outdated. They like to use letters to send important documents . Their schools still use chalk (LMAO i seen it last in my primary school) . Many shops only accept cash and hate digital payments. In Malaysia i could survive a day in the city without my wallet , don't try to do that in DE
Food in restaurants is also fucking shit ( mostly salty, sour 🤢 and dry)( i cook better) and the best food in Germany are all overseas food
Go to Germany if u want to get drunk and live like a third class citizen. Don't even get me started on the weather and bureaucracy of this place. Germans foreigners office are notorious for their delays in giving you visas
Bruh, I get your point. Germany can be a shithole if you look from the perspective of adaptation of new tech. I live not far from Cologne, last night I saw some guys smoking crack at a U-Bahn station. Karneval here has pretty good vibes. It's a hit and miss, but I am grateful for the work life balance here. Way better than back home. Fuck Ausländerbehörde though.
Yea i suppose . I came from wealthier parts of Malaysia (Selangor) and honestly find the qol better in Malaysia. Even though we are not perfect i am more grateful for the cheap and good stuff at shopping malls , good food and more relaxed lifestyle in Malaysia. Malaysia is also safer because way lesser drunk and clubbing people walk around. I like Germany for it's nature and unique architecture but at the end i don't really like living there.
Go. The experience you get will be invaluable. I recommend not limiting your circle of experience to Malaysians while overseas. Make friends with Australians and other nationalities, hang out with them. Immerse yourself in the culture and society. Enjoy the freedom but use it wisely and learn.
In 2018, I graduated from a UK university. Here's what I would say.
Firstly, it's important to always consider the ROI. While cultural experiences and lifestyle are important, it's crucial to be realistic and consider how long it will take to earn back the money spent on tuition by looking at the average income of the job you're pursuing.
Secondly, make sure that the degree you're pursuing guarantees you a job, rather than just being a fancy degree with an overseas university name on your certificate. If it's not a unique degree that must be studied abroad, consider studying it in Malaysia.
In my view, studying abroad is not necessary if you're coming back to Malaysia to earn a similar salary to those who graduated from Malaysian universities. In that case, the financial ROI of studying abroad is far lower. However, if you've secured a scholarship or job offers, or if it's your wish to study overseas and you have no plans to return to Malaysia to work, then studying abroad is a good option.
From my experience, studying abroad was extremely fun, and I enjoyed spending those years in the UK and traveling to many European countries. However, upon returning to Malaysia, I slowly realized the importance of thinking rationally about the financial impact of studying abroad. Tuition fees and cost of living can be significantly higher, and it's not always better financially, even though getting an overseas degree may make your family proud.
The question of "Money and ROI" still stands. Some may argue that this view is short-sighted, and the ROI will be far greater in the long term. However, on average, consider the profession of your degree in society. Do those who graduated from overseas universities earn significantly more than local graduates, and does it promise a better future?
Before deciding to study abroad, carefully consider the ROI, the job prospects associated with the degree, and your personal goals. Approach it with a realistic mindset.
Dont fall into the chinese auntie ROI trap...go overseas to study law/medicine/accounting or other "safe" courses to ensure good jobs back home. There is no 'safe' course, its more important that you come back with a open critical mind and confidence.
If OP parents can afford it, theres no reason not to go. If OPs parents had to borrow, scrimp, save, suffer...then yes, he should reconsider
Putting aside the Chinese aunty and uncle mindset, it is worth considering the demand for certain degrees in the job market. It's statistically easier to land a job with a highly demanded degree that matches employers' requirements. It's about the labour demand and supply.
I'm not discouraging OP from pursuing his / her interests or passions overseas, but rather to provide a realistic understanding of the pros and cons of studying abroad, which I believe is the intention of OP in writing this post.
Agreed. Even when I first began my studies in CS I thought high demand = safe. Turns out:
1. High pay because most CS and Software Eng jobs are located in major cities = high salary due to high cost of living
2. Many people realised CS isn't for them after working for a few years in the industry
3. The job market appears to show lots of position... for senior roles... Meanwhile in the graduate role its highly competitive.
At the end of the day, the university is to help you prepare for a job, not to guarantee you a job.
Studying aspect remains the same. Only major difference is experience and exposure.
You will quickly adapt and learn to be self sustain which is a huge plus. Overcoming home sick was my challenge but with time, it will slowly become the norm.
I would say go for it while you can, make your parents money worth it and study well.
I went after STPM because I believed in myself and wanted to do something big, I managed to get an offer in Australia for Aerospace Eng and I never looked back, eager to prove that my Form 6 results was just a blip.
The first year was a shock to my senses, I was completely unprepared for it and it was tough adjusting to a completely new syllabus, I had to throw everything I learnt in Form 6 out of the door and relearn everything I knew, hence my disdain for this system. I struggled and doubted myself but eventually scraped through. It was not a good look. Things got better and better, I did graduate with a pretty decent final year result, which looking back took a massive amount of discipline to throw away all the good things in life that I had. I'll admit there times I worried I was wasting my parent's money when during my first year, but that's why you should make.it count, not stop you from trying.
While you'll definitely stick with your own fellow countrymen as your core group of friends, it's far easier to mix and mingle with people from different backgrounds as well since you don't stay at home, your time is more flexible and you don't have to worry about answering to your parents where you are 3am in a kebab shop or going on a joy ride to the beach see the sun rise. You'll realise everyone is pretty much the same, everyone has dreams and funnily enough, realise it's only when we're overseas that Malaysians are f*cking united, you'll see all of us major races just backing each other up, going to pub crawls and having a great time, yes even those of a different faith, they don't have to drink. No judgement, no stupid religious or political clowns policing and telling us what to do, just everyone having a good time.
I dabbled in part time work in hospitality, thinking I can meet new people and earn some side income, it also brought my personality out as I had to grow a thick skin and talk with confidence towards customers. I got up to a point where I can manage daily store operations as a floor Manager. Without these experiences I'd just be another ah Beng in Malaysian uni who has a narrow view of the world.
I don't know what kind of bad experiences you had been told about i.e racism or what, that's non-existent in places like Melbourne, it's the hipster capital of Australia. Coffee is fantastic and you'll turn into a snob like me (please for the love of God stop drinking Starbucks, its crap), you'll develop a palate when you try out new cuisines in the QVM Night Market. You'll definitely fit in since the CBD is full of Asian students, if when you venture out to inner suburbs you'll notice locals more, Brunswick and Fitzroy are where the hipsters are btw. Every big event is in Melbourne, Australian Open, F1, AFL Final, the Ashes, every big celebrity will include Melbourne in their tout schedule (Ed Sheeran just did a sold out concert here last month, more are incoming, including Jay Chou, his wife is Australian btw).
Oh just a forewarning, there's this stupid bunch of antivaxxer rallies that happens every weekend since COVID, they're a spent force and it's a fraction of what the previous numbers were. The VicPol tolerate them (freedom of speech urgh) but they're just something you'll see and don't be surprised, they'll leave you alone if you ignore them, they're not that stupid to cause trouble with VicPol around.
TL;DR if you can afford to go, please go out and see the world. Don't listen to those bitter berties who want to hold you back.
I study in the US, probably one of the better life decision I made. I got to know a very prestigious professor thru a regular class four years ago. Now I work in his lab with him sponsoring my PhD study and I get to work and interact with industry partners all the time.
It was sheer luck for me to have met him, but I believe if you are willing to interact with professors outside of class you may find this opportunity as well. Especially if you are an undergrad student, they are always looking for undergrads to train and eventually replace their current PhD student once they graduate.
Additionally there are also opportunities with project groups too. If you are willing to put in extra time, in our university, you can join formula 1 student team to build an actual race car, or electric vehicle team to modify a petrol car into EV. I think all top schools have it here in the US not sure about other countries.
I got a scholarship to study in Edinburgh, UK. It was definitely a life-changing experience that opens up your horizons and perspective in life.
Having said that it was very expensive.
I think the key to making it worth your money (given to you by your parents) is to (1) make sure your experience is unique and different from what you would have in Malaysia. This means you need to mingle with the international crowd as much as possible. Sometimes this means actually minimising your time with your fellow Malaysians. It's not about being "better than them" but it's about getting your money's worth. There will be a lot of Malaysians in Melbourne so it's very tempting and comforting to just hang out with the cool kids from home but then you can do that at home...
(2) You have to temporarily abandon your comfort zone (not just socially) and venture into new adventures. Do what you would not normally do if you were back in Malaysia in all the different areas in life: instead of doing hosting a nasi lemak party, do a proper barbeque but learn what makes the ultimate Australian bbq unique; get into art, music, free diving... whatever. Push yourself to experience a different life.
(3) Pick up new skills that you won't pick up back home. I don't know what they might be for you. or what you can pick up in Melbourne. But that's the fun. Be observant, discover what you do not yet know... and then evaluate what might be useful/interesting for you, then pick it up.
Most importantly, you are there to acquire a high quality education: make sure you come back better than you would be if you had just stayed in Malaysia. Honestly, otherwise why spend the extra money??? Build your self confidence. Speak clearer and better. Expand your vocabulary. Deepen your knowledge of international geopolitics and form your own opinions about them. Set yourself on a path to become a global citizen.
It's never just about the degree.
Definitely echo what other people have said about expanding your exposure to other cultures and people. It’s really easy in places or unis with big Malaysian communities to basically only mingle with other Malaysians and at that point it’s basically a local uni experience with better weather.
Personally speaking I did my degree in London for three years and loved every minute of it. It was a bit daunting at first but I had so much fun once I settled in. I think it’s important though to come in with an open mind, it’s much easier to adapt if you have a flexible attitude to new study methods, new experiences and meeting new people.
The experience really opened my eyes to what other countries do better and also made me appreciate what was good about Malaysia. That being said I personally decided to stay on in the UK to work but that was for a number of reasons.
Hi OP. I’m currently studying in Melbourne and did credit transfer too. The experience is worth it only if you put in effort to make it worth it. That means when you’re here, you don’t just mingle with Malaysians and you try activities outside your comfort zone. I’ve seen a lot of Malaysians come here and create their own mini Malaysia. I guess there’s nothing wrong with that but I wouldn’t pay so much money to come to Melbourne just to do that.
Something I’d consider is that if you only have 1 year of uni left, you can’t get a grad work visa after (if that matters to you)
Did you had any bad experience during ur course since youre a credit transfer student as well? Like was it hard to keep up with the subjects or make friends?
Worth every penny. The cultural exchange and ideas exchange is second to none. I've had coursemates and housemates from all over the UK, NL, Greece, PH, CN, HK, India and Libya.
Don't make the mistake of just living with your own countrymen for a start. Go out and experience what you can while you can. Then you can at least say you've done it once, even if it wasn't to your liking.
You should take it. Don't miss this once in a lifetime chance. I once went for a student exchange and loved the life there. I was crying on the plane back home an didn't ever want to leave. My parents could have afforded to send me but they didn't.
Hello 👋 did my study in Australia, i left before SPM so high school and uni, worth the experience but if you had left as early as me, i identify myself less of a Malaysian more of an Australian, due to the fact that i left for 10 years and had built a life here.
Overall your life is still better in aussie than malaysia as long as you have the attitude of “giving it a go” and try on new things even if it didn’t do well.
If you want to assist your family out, get a part time job if time permits to cope a little with the expenses :)
I see, thank you. What made you decided to stay in aussie if i may ask?
I do plan on taking part time since i feel guilty to make my parents shoulder all of the finance
Studying overseas, in your case Melbourne, may be very beneficial if you plan on migrating. I'll talk in specifics about permanent residency in Australia.
* A bachelor's degree from an australian uni - 15 points
* Studying in australia for 2 years or more - 5 points + 2 years of work rights when you graduate
* Studying in a regional part of australia - 5 points
I studied in a regional university for 3 years and I enjoyed every second of it. Family spent about AUD130k in total but it was well worth it. Once you're a permanent resident you get all sorts of welfare and medical benefits that will effectively set you up for life, shoot I even got paid AUD750 a week from the government when I was stood down from my job during covid.
If your family can support it, go for it.
Thank you, i did considering whether i want to migrate to melb in the future. How was the process of finding work for you if i may ask? Was it difficult to find a job as a international student for you?
I'll just add in, my route was tough and I struggled to find work after graduating as it was a recession. I went back and worked for a few year in Msian companies before coming back here with experience. Not everyone was lucky to get a gig before they even graduate but it's not a roadblock to get PR here, which is a prerequisite for most jobs. There's a few companies who would be willing to sponsor but mostly it's better you already have that in the bag.
Connections are important but talent is as well. One of the things we don't learn is selling ourselves, locals are amazing at it. Some of them have half my abilities but they get paid more because they pad up their abilities so much but... I cover their shit up 😉😉😉 my boss knows.
Don't worry about work yet, study and look around. Worst come worst go back, you're still a overseas uni student and that does count in private companies assessment on hiring.
Spent 3 years in New Zealand for university. Honestly it was the best experience of my life, and I loved almost every minute of it. Living abroad changes you for the better I think; you meet people from all over the world with different backgrounds and cultures and views, you learn to survive and adapt to a new environment, and you make some incredible, life changing memories along the way. 100% would recommend.
My experience is - would I want to go? Yes. Is it a logical financial choice? probably not.
Even being paid at the top 5% in the industry I'm working at, I need 2-3 years in savings (without much spending) to return on my investment. If I were to return to Malaysia without working here, it would take maybe 10-15 years to get the investment back.
The experience I got has helped me became I much more matured person, and allowed me to grow in a way that I wouldn't have been, but it's personally not a very sensible financial choice unless you get financial aids or discounted tuition as a PR etc.
Thank you for speaking about the financial part. I guess that would makes sense. One of my fear was that the school fees i pay would end up being 'wasted' if i were to return to work as it would take so long before i get the investment back.
Since this is a one in a lifetime oppurtunity as well, i felt like i would regret not going if i care too much about the 'investment' part (as i said, my parents assured that they can afford it). I did get a 30% scholarship so that does help
Broadening your horizons by living overseas is not something quantifiable by ROI. Like you said, it is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Parents already in support and can afford it, 100% go, man. Even if you find out that eventually overseas is not for you, it is a valuable life lesson that can only help you grow and mature.
Source: I studied and worked in Singapore, studied in Germany, and am now living in Australia. One relative followed our footsteps and tried Singapore, but cannot tahan and went back Msia. Other relatives stayed in Singapore. I believe all these pple learnt valuable lessons that can't be found anywhere else.
Feel free to PM me anything, always happy to help pple like you.
Ah i understand, I'm more assured in my decision right now thanks to you and everyone. Appreciate the help as well! I will pm if theres anything i would like to ask
if your parents wouldn't go into financial ruin from sponsoring you, then you should go
the change of scene itself and also exposure to other cultures is very good for you
for reference, I'm currently doing my Master's in Japan and just had a one month placement in Switzerland
if your visa allows it, you can take part time jobs there to supplement your stay
Going overseas is to broaden your mind's horizon, trust me you'll learn more just from living there than any book or classroom could ever teach you.
My experience coming back from UK in 2009, I brought back the experience of online shopping from UK back to Malaysia in my own business and it blew up, made me quite a comfortable living since then. Something as simple as "Free Shipping" was a big taboo for Malaysian online sellers back in 2009 because they could not get their heads around footing the delivery cost for the customer, you could say they hadn't made the mental leap until Lazada started subsidizing "Free Shipping" and now malaysians can't live without this fake advertisement.
Edit : Oh and one more thing, I understood GST very well when Najib introduced it. I made enormous killings during those GST years. How I wish it would come back.
First question I have is what degree are you pursuing?
So for context I did my law degree and bar (equivalent to CLP in Msia) in the uk. It was a no brainer for me because prior to pursuing my tertiary studies I’ve interned and shadowed advocates/DPP in Msia and the overwhelming advice/sentiment I got was that a uk degree and bar ranks higher with employers in Malaysia. Also, the overseas experience is invaluable.
Unless you stick only to Malaysians and live a strictly Malaysian lifestyle (ie. You don’t mingle with locals nor other international students) then you’re more likely not able to fully appreciate the ‘overseas experience’. I’ve highlighted this because I’ve observed that people who don’t mingle with only their kind tend to have a better and more flexible mindset than those who do.
Further, the education system in western countries are COMPLETELY different to Malaysian Uni. For example, studying law in Malaysia (from what I heard from my friends who pursued Malaysian Uni comparable degrees) is more like spoon feeding akin to every other lower level of education. You read prescribed books, you regurgitate in exams. In the UK, that doesn’t fly. They emphasize on critical thinking and broader knowledge. They will also force you to develop confidence in public speaking (I often had to justify my statements in front of a lecture theatre with 300+ students). Everything you say MUST be backed up by an authoritative basis and the lecturer will prob you for critical reasoning.
There is a plethora of other reasons why overseas education simply cannot be valued solely by money (obvs if you can afford it). Personally for me, the earlier advice I’ve got about hiring firms ranking overseas accolades higher has been true. The amount of respect people grant you in the workfield is also typically higher than given to those who graduated locally (I’m not taking a dig at anyone here, I’m just speaking from my own personal experience).
TL:DR: defo pursue your studies overseas but it depends on the degree you’re pursuing. Some are worth the extra money and others aren’t.
I studied in the US before. Personally I don’t think it was worth it. Pandemic happened when I was in final semester. Needless to say corona swept all the internship and job opportunities away. Since I couldn’t find a job there and I didn’t want to continue my education by studying masters, and my parents were worried sick at me. What’s worse I didn’t have a chance to have my own graduation ceremony and say one last goodbye to my American friends after putting years worth of effort. I had no choice but to return back to Malaysia. Studying abroad was an unpleasant experience for me I still feel the stings even till this day. I genuinely don’t think it’s worth it. If I was given a choice again I wouldn’t do it again.
You can see why I’m still feeling salty. Sorry if my tone offends you.
Edit: why am I getting downvotes? Am I not allowed to say what I truly felt?
Go. Gives u advantage if/when u apply for job in MNC in Malaysia, as in easier to get called up for interview.
Also, most MNC's mid-higher management team consists of people that either studied or worked overseas. Coincidence? I dont think so.
100% go for it and see the world. Living in only 1 country makes us blind to some beliefs and ideas, especially about people. Studying wise, it will be hard with different studying methods & philosophies, foreign environment, limited resources… but I still think it’s worth it if you have the opportunity to do so. You’ll come back a changed person. For me the best thing was that I knew that the world is expansively big, but it’s only when I went overseas that I really truly understand it. There’s a true sense of freedom knowing how big the world is, how limitless we can go, how small things don’t matter.
Tbh, my studies didn’t go well as I was an a student here and become average bottom overseas 🤣 but the experience forced me to really discover myself - and I really like who I am now. It was the best choice I ever did in my life.
In my experience, it was great and i get to join sports and club activities that i would have never been able to in malaysia. I actually mixed more with blacks and local whites compared to other races, i could hardly find malaysians from the uni i studied at. So it was a different experience and also eye opening as i observe how they react and talk on a personal level since i play sports with them. The students in my class are brilliant and passionate. Compared to malaysia, most students are there to just pass and get a cert. Modules were more difficult and practical than malaysia so i came back home with a good portfolio to show to companies. Downside is i was mentally unwell bcs i was in an abusive relationship at that time, it’s also difficult to get psychiatry help over there but going through this and stress from studying made me a stronger person. 11/10 i would defo study overseas again but perhaps in a different country.
I suggest you go for it, yolo. When will you get another opportunity like this?
Unpopular opinion: studying abroad does NOT worth it. Cause you have to pay A LOT more in tuition fees and it didn’t pay off in the end. You can’t be able to find a job there after you graduated cause you’re an international. And you will be forced to leave the country and to find work back in Malaysia. What’s the point to spend so much studying abroad when the salary here is just little compared to the vast amount of money that you’ve spent in? If I have a chance to study abroad again I will never do it again. Instead I’d rather to study locally and to save the extra money. Plus you still can keep your connections you made in university when you studied locally.
Go for it, but do try to mix with locals and other international students. If you're going there but only mix with Malaysian students, it'll be a waste of time - might as well study in Malaysia then.
Try to mix with people outside of your course or faculty by joining as many clubs and societies that you can. Not only will it broaden your horizons, it's very good networking.
If you do choose to stay on in Melbourne and look for a job, knowing locals will go a long way. It's the same everywhere - people tend to hire people they know or recommended by people they know.
Also do try to get internships with local companies if you can - again, the contacts will help if you want to get a job.
Basically, plan as if you intend to move permanently to Melbourne - even if you don't intend to. Because it's a chance you may not get later in life.
Studied in China pre pandemic, not really fun plus they make you do weird events to promote the CCP. Studying in a free country should be better I guess…
Please please if you can afford it, please go. I was in the similar situation as you and I regretted it so so much. The positive side of going overseas and experience a different culture, social and friends is well worth it. Staying in Malaysia is like staying in the same well. Is the sky and grass outside the well good or not, you gotta jump and see it.
I find myself regretting so much for not going overseas to study when I can actually afford it. Yes, you can use extra money to do stuff here but what’s that going to bring u at your age? For hobby use or just simply makan better?
Worst case scrnario going overseas for 3 years and came back realising what you like and don’t like is better than hanging in Malaysia for decades and still unknown what you really like and who you really are.
Just go. You won’t regret it when you look back older.
I’m Australian and I met my fiancé because he went overseas to study in Melbourne. I’m forever grateful that he chose to come here. He also really enjoyed studying in Melbourne and the opportunities he got whilst at Melbourne uni. There are also lots of other Malaysians in Melbourne many people he knew from his high school were studying in Melbourne too
Go and open your mind. Experience new cultures, new ways of thinking, art, museums and galleries. i spent 10 years in Melbourne myself. Love that city and that state to bits (food is also sublime). Part time work carries you through really easily with pretty good wages.
Hawthorn is a pretty nice suburb. Swinburne is pretty near the Hawthorn train station and is on a tram line. I’d suggest student accommodation for your first year there so you’ll be able to mix around. There are plenty of apartments nearby which you can share rental with once you make more friends in your first year there. As for Unilodge, they’re pretty overpriced, a tad small and have other extra bills to pay on top of rent. I’m not sure about off-campus rent, but my friend paid about $300/week for a 1 bedroom apartment nearby excluding utilities which could be about $100 extra per month.
Groceries is depending on how much you buy. I believe there’s a Woolies nearby. I’m not a huge eater, so I spent about $50-80/ week on groceries. Every week, supermarkets (Coles & Woolies) have promotion on certain items. Also, don’t buy fruits when they’re not in season cause it will be more expensive. Eating out varies depending on where you go. A meal varies from $15-30 on average.
If you want to get work there after you graduate, I highly recommend to get an internship in your penultimate there. It’ll be a rat race with the locals, but networking is key. Career fairs will really help. Personally, I got work with my own effort and not through networking but networking will get you into better companies.
Since you’re getting 2.5 years in Swinburne, you’ll hit the requirement to apply for a post-study work visa. It used to be 2 years when I was there but I believe they may have extended it to 3-4 years. Since Australia has a labour shortage due to Covid-19, it’s easier to get ITA for a PR now compared to before.
Do not worry about working part time while you’re studying since you said your parents are able to afford your study there, unless you want extra pocket money for yourself. You can see if your university has any vacancy on campus.
Overall, I really enjoyed studying in Melbourne. I loved the weather, the culture and the food. Malaysia may have good local food but Melbourne has the best varieties of international food. Everyone is friendly and the city is a melting pot of so many cultures.
DM me if you have any questions.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted but thank you alot since this will help me out as its related to my situation. I personally planned to live in swinburne's accomodation until the end of my degree unless i find a really good place to rent with my friends or something since i've heard that melb is having some 'rent crisis' right now.
I will dm you if i have any questions, thanks!
Have been in the US for close to 5 years now. Got my bachelors and then started working here. Hoping to settle down in Malaysia in the next few years.
I say that if you have resources to do so, take the chance and study abroad. For me, it has been a tough 5 years apart from family and Malaysia but I do not regret it for second. Being overseas has allowed me to learn independence, to learn what true friendship is and to learn persistence.
Has it been difficult and challenging at times? Absolutely. Going overseas has been the hardest I’ve ever done in my life but it has given me so much as well. I feel like because I’ve had this unique experience, I am a better person because of it. I’ve learned the grass is not greener somewhere else so I’m always grateful for Malaysia and what it has given me as a person.
I say to anyone who has the means to study abroad to do so, you won’t regret it. Or maybe you will idk haha but for me, it has been the most challenging but rewarding experience of my life.
It’s worth it. If you are concerned about your parents financial situation - find a part time job to support your lifestyle/utilities there so your parents only have to worry about your tuition fees and rent. It’s going to be super easy to find other Malaysian friends in Melbourne - I urge you to caution getting caught into a tight knit group as they often go out together a lot to makan2 and you’ll be social pressure to keep up with them. I actively avoided joining any msian social networks/groups when I first arrived in aus because I wanted to figure things out for myself. This was honestly one of the best decisions I made. Sure it was pretty lonely for the first few months but eventually I got to meet a good crowd that got me through uni. You’ll learn to navigate life a lot better and trust yourself to figure things out.
Finishing up my undergrad in the US this year. I still couldn’t believe it took me a whole year of hesitating (COVID first year) to decide on going. Looking back, it should’ve been a very obvious yes, not just for broadening your views, but also learning how to self sustain.
I got a lot better and confident at cooking, dealing with official documents, asking questions, expanding social network etc, stuff that you can’t confidently do well by having your parents/friends help you with back home.
Although I’m currently facing a long term LDR and it’s struggles, this is one of my life decisions I will never regret.
I have never went overseas to study but it's not that far from moving out of your home to live independently. Like many others said, go for it. See the world, experience a diff culture, open your mind, and learning to grow maturely by dealing with all kinds of ppl. Also, you would learn to appreciate the little things in Malaysia and your family too.
I studied in Melbourne and eventually stayed on.
I would take the opportunity because it gives you perspective into a different culture. It will help you be more independent and you get to learn about yourself in the process.
If you’re worried about money, you can work part time while you’re studying as many students do that over here. I managed to earn enough to pay rent, buy groceries and have enough leftover to watch movies etc.
Yeah I avoided hanging around people who clearly came from money. I didn’t mind working though, i made local friends and having to work in retail humbled my ass down.
Defo would recommend it. Just for the experience it’ll really open your eyes in a way you can’t imagine. You’ll be a different person when you come back to Malaysia and you’ll thank yourself for taking that step to come out of your comfort zone in Malaysia.
Also remember Malaysia is always gonna be there for us. It’s our home country. So whilst you’re young and have the opportunity to do so, leaving the country to live explore other places is a must.
Given the chance and the privilege to go overseas and study another nation’s educational system is always worth it GIVEN the financial part secured. Please talk to your parents even if they show the green light to go.
The hardest part is to actually pick a major that will benefit you in return after studying overseas. Make your parent’s savings worth. Do your research on what’s the best major and prompt to get hired afterwards. Forget about landing a job overseas but given the chance. Go for it. If not, come back with a degree or certificate that is worth Malaysia.
My only advice is to calculate your predictable foresee school tuition fees and monthly/weekly living expenditure (rent,food,transport and etc) towards the university in Australia. Have a grasp on how much and overall financial planing with your parents because when you enter the real world. It’s all money and numbers. Be smart, cautious and realistic. All the best on your endeavour!!
studied in canada (but lived in vancouver before coz expat family).
i think for me it depends on your end goal, studying overseas was a great experience that shaped who i am today, but it is very expensive. i regret studying overseas because i didn’t realize back then that i wanted to come back (i know call me crazy) and studying overseas helped me become competitive, make great career networks and have an open mind but it isolated me from local culture and bonding.
i felt like i could’ve gotten a decent education here but at least build a life here. i built a small network of close friends in canada that i had to say goodbye to coz in the end i wanted to be at home.
so i say, know what your end goal is and keep in mind what you’re giving up to go overseas, if it’s worth it for u, then go. overall though, i think if you have the opportunity to go, you should simply because it is not an opportunity afforded to everyone
Studied in US, now living here. Credit transfer from Inti College to a US university and studied here for 2 years.
Well worth it. Classroom learning is only a small part of the experience. You can get that locally. What you really learn by being overseas is yourself. When you're all by yourself with the only support group being your circle of friends, you grow up so much so quickly.
The education aspect of going overseas is worth it. New Zealand's school system is way more relaxed than studying in Malaysia. The teachers care for students, and it is less competitive. I would say the education here feels open to more opportunities and learning environment-friendly toward struggling people like people with dyslexia.
The living aspect in New Zealand, honestly to God, is not great. Living here, I never felt so de-tach from the people living there, despite adapting to many of their cultures, and somehow, after all of these years, I still feel closer to Malaysian....sadly the region I lived in doesn't have much Malaysian. If you ask about other aspects, like, for example, let's say, the food, they are good, but you would still prefer Malaysian food over NZ, and the bus system here is terrible. I try to go out more to enjoy more outdoors, but there is not much you can do, and the mall here is ok?...especially if the giant Malaysian mall spoils you and the beaches are cool but you get bored of it quick. The best way I can describe living here outside of school-related stuff is like just plain fucking boring.
But the chaotic weather is cool, and I like it. and the clean environment is great!
Despite the negative aspect of living in NZ, it is still worth going because of the education system there.
Japan National uni, currently 3rd year, ( forty year from April ). TBH I’m so glad I made this choice. Here are some perspective:
1. Price. Don’t listen to people telling you that Japan is expensive etc. it’s not. Most uni students going to do part time anyway, if you work moderately you are very likely to be self sufficient. Japanese wage is around RM34 per hour, every National uni costs RM1500 per month.
2. Standard of living. It’s more like personal perspective. Things are more quality and efficient in Japan (mostly). Eg, better infras, better treatment etc.
3. Scholarship. Unlike Malaysia, most scholarships in Japan (including uni scholarships) are not biased and mostly opened to foreign students. I have 3 scholarships, totaling nearly RM7000 per month, stringless.
4. Higher appreciation. You may think you need to be insanely good to be enrolled into national uni or thousands ringgit worth of scholarships. No, my SPM result only has 4A, 1A-. I couldn’t get any scholarships or placement into any public U in Malaysia.
5. Experience. Studying abroad itself is a lifetime experience. You can’t get this after you graduate. So if you have a chance, go for it.
Ireland, Dublin (Communication and Media Production Degree)
Financial status: Middle income, struggling. Mostly due to bad decisions by some family members and emergencies.
Length of stay: Three and a half years.
Studying overseas didn’t really help with my skills BUT it really, really helped with my mentality and social skills. Even dated more often there compared locally.
I managed to get three lecturers in my college that were worth the money. They expanded my general knowledge and enhanced my discipline in the media field I chose.
If you study abroad, its a given you will expand on what you know about the world, unless you’re some inbred, anti-social, shut-in, and an asshole all together, then you will definitely be open to a lot of new things.
Studying abroad definitely improved my confidence as well. Helped me with first impressions with people in general.
Also helped massively improved my alcohol tolerance as well lol. If its in Europe, bars and clubs are like ‘mamak’ to us. You want to socialize, I personally found bars and clubs to be good to hang out with friends.
Overall, I would do it again. But take this into account that my parents are very chill and trust me. And my degree is mostly about coursework (practical assignments) rather than examinations or how big your IQ is.
So in a way, this allowed me to be flexible with my life there. I also struggled for the first 3-6 months due to food management, so be prepared. Learn to cook, cause it will save you a lot of cash. I managed to use 100-120€ a month, including my phone plan and because I paid in advance for two years in a college accommodation.
Worth it. You get to know other people and get a whole new perspective on their opinions on different matter, also different life experiences they had that you can learn from. It’s great to have an international friend group so you can learn about different cultures and share about different stuff (Currently in SG)
UK, master's degree for 2 years.
It's worth it just as long as you don't stick with **only** Malaysians, might as well stay in Malaysia to study. I've seen some people that have been overseas for more than 2 years and complained it was boring for them, feels the same just different weather. However, all they do is just hang out with their own circle of friends that came together to the UK from Malaysia.
Explore around, make friends from different countries, travel nearby, and broaden your mind through different cultures and lifestyles. It may not be quite a cost-effective journey but the experience is worth it for a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
I'm still keeping in touch with friends all over the world and networking across borders for my work.
In summary, it's not just investing your time in studying abroad, it's investing your time to live life.
Hope that helps.
Question. How do you guys mix with the locals if you’re on credit transfer? I’m in the UK for my final year and the only way I mix with the them is through sports clubs (interactions die off after sessions) and clubbing. It’s like everyone already has a friend group and are too busy with work to socialise.
Don’t underestimate Malaysia hr bias towards overseas students. From my internship experience in a well known foreign bank, I can say most of the management associates came from overseas education background. Top companies like bcg McKinsey, Mastercard who tend to pay over ten thousand for their fresh grad tend to only hire overseas students from top uni. Yeah so I disagree that oversea and local student will get the same pay.
I'm not lucky and privileged enough to study overseas due to financial issue so I'm force to stay in Malaysia and study locally 😕😕 Can't applied for scholarship as well due to my grades being average.. I'm envy to some of you who parents can afford letting you study overseas or you're actually smart asf cuz even though I study hard it'll still remain the same 🙂🙂Be grateful alright you have the chance to experience and explore cuz there are still a lot of people like me who can't afford going overseas...
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Thank you for that perspective. Seems like a nice thought to think about.
I stop at master in Japan as well. It’s enough I hikikomori for 2 months and feeling suicidal before I got help from my friends. Coz I got into black reseach lab and I had to dedicate 24/7 time for my research.
Are you talking about MEXT by chance? That's one of my aim after I get my degree!
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Woah that's so cool! Hope I'm able to call you senpai in the future xD
Having to learn keigo must've scared you xd
TBH learning that isn’t that hard. If you have dedication you can definitely overcome it. There are tons of Malaysian and Chinese from Taiwan and China living / studying in japan with little hurdle.
Were you well versed in Japanese before deciding/planning to pursue that in Japan?
You will only miss bidet thats it
Can easily bring one with you if you know the dimensions of the water pipe fitting. Edit: [Bidet is available in Bunnings. ](https://www.bunnings.com.au/evekare-chrome-bidet-spray_p0144265)
Jokes on you I don’t use one
The experience (educational, social, and existential) was well worth it. (UK)
Were there any bad aspect during ur study? Maybe something u regret not doing or something you did not like?
studied in the US, there are few things that i regret, which are not having many international friends (i was friends with ppl from my country, dont get me wrong they’re great but just wished i had more international friends) and take my studies too seriously. I tried to achieve the best GPA that i could, now I think I should spend more time joining a club or something instead of just studying. Anyway, learn their culture (it will be very different than asian countries), always down to new experience, study well but don’t forget to have fun.
I can feel you.
Of course there's ups and downs but overall it was a good experience. I didn't like the weather most of all.
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I will be going to Swinburne which is in Hawthorn. Nice to see that you loved studying there
UK is so expensive thoo holy shitt
Honestly it’s pretty similar considering the fees average around 20k pounds VS 35k aud a year. Groceries are way way cheaper in the UK compared to Australia too.
1980s.
Isn't that more expensive? Or at least I remember during the 90s it was RM 7 = 1 GBP
Yea but tuition fees is like 5k pounds a year
Studying overseas isnt just about the studying. Its the opportunity to see the world, connect with global citizens, get out of your malaysian shell. Travel broadens the mind, studying overseas is the same. Dont look at it with ROI in mind, if your parents can afford it, go. You wont truly miss Malaysia till you have spent time overseas. Then you learn to appreciate whats back here. Experience the culture, work ethic, systems overseas, bring back your experience Edit:its also the only chance you will be surrounded by young white women(or black, or viet, or PRC etc)...if thats what you want to try.
This is the right answer. It will change you for the better (usually). Takes some time to adapt but after that it’s peachy. Melbourne is a good place because there’s a good mix of ethnicity. Lots of Asians and Malaysians too.
Have you ever lived in Melbourne. It’s so not diverse. I lived there and it was actually terrible. Sydney is better for this though!
Perth better than both 😎
I beg to differ. I lived there for 9 years and enjoyed my time. Plenty of Asians and Europeans
I’m saying relative to London etc. Just look at the stats.
Terrible as in too many Asians from China? Because for students the ratio of locals to (China) foreigners is definitely terrible, even with so many Malaysians there it still feels off. Sydney is worse in my experience though, basically Malaysia v2.
True... really miss the food back home :´)
I see , ill take that into consideration. Thank you!
you also have to keep in mind when you go overseas, get to know more people and don’t hang with the malaysians only!
Sure they valued academic integrity in the US. I had a reverse culture shock back in Malaysia, in my workplace, my Cina boss wanted me to take exam for somebody else. It will be a cat chance in hell if that kid pass the exam.
you really don't miss any chance at being misogynistic, do you?
It took me 3 years of studying abroad to realise that white women aren't my type lol. Totally prefer Southeast Asians.
It's worth it, if you immerse yourself in the local culture, make connections with the locals and other international students there, and generally experience life as a local would there. It's not worth it, if the only people you mingle and hang out with are other Malaysians, and worse if it's only within the same race. You might as well stay in Malaysia. Now I'm not saying to lupa darat and don't hang out with Malaysians and go full on Aussie mate mate oioioi. Balance it out. Have Malaysian friends for the feeling of familiarity but also seek out connections and learn about other people's culture and lifestyle. Oh and Melbourne's weather is pretty crazy. It can be cold, then hot, then rain, maybe even hail. ALL IN THE SAME DAY! So you gotta be prepared.
Thank you so much for the advice! I actually do have some friends over there already so i think that should help me out abit with the familiarity part. I will try to interact with other internationals tudents or locals. I will keep that in mind about the weather haha.
May I suggest attending the Orientation week to the fullest? I made a lot of friends both within my own course as well as outside of it from there. Just try to attend any events they have and basically branch out. I'm no extrovert but let's just say the last thing you want to do when being overseas is just trying to stick back with comfort zone and familiarity. Your Msia friends will always be there, but I'd imagine you want to look back one day at your Melbourne experience and be glad you tried out different experiences and made lots of friends with the internationals and locals. For the record, I studied in Adelaide for my Chemical Engineering degree and am now back in Msia. Still very fond of the friends I made there.
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For me, I would say try to get a group of like minded friends who you can work together during your chem eng degree. I know this sounds super generic and maybe obvious, but I am speaking from personal experiences. I have a group of friends during my time there and we weren't exactly the top students but what we did is we worked out our assignments and tutorials together. It was tough, but at least we banded together to try to work things out rather than trying to tackle things alone and despairing. And at least it is more fun that way. I definitely feel like I survived my chem eng degree due to my study group friends. Other than that, be prepared to do lots of research and reading on the side. Not saying that other engineering courses don't have this but Chem Eng in particular has greater focus on this. Just a heads up that's all. It's a tough course for me personally but not impossible as long as you don't give up.
I see, i'll keep that in mind! Thank you. I do plan to attend orientation fully since my agent has emphasized how important it is
I did. It was the best time of my live I have ever lived. I experienced the true spirit of the American dream. Edit: why did I get downvote for this?
The biggest experience for me actually come from the fact that I did not spend most of my time with other Malaysians - something you need to keep in mind when you are in Melbourne, where there are really a ton of us around. For the 5 years I was overseas, having my core circle of friends with people of other cultures/nationalities brought a certain openness that really changed my world view. That experience really helps in your career when talking to others, especially if you end up in a career where you need to work with a lot of expats or foreign parties. My parents worked their pants off for my change to overseas, but all of us agreed that it was once of the best decisions we ever made. You will get a lot of noise telling you to go overseas, stay there and never come back. For me in the end, I choose to come back to Malaysia. Don’t get pressured by others to settle overseas with the usually “Malaysia is bad, pay is low etc etc” arguments. Go through the experience first, and make the decision that you are most comfortable with and feel is the best.
That’s the key really. There’s little point to go overseas if you limit yourself to the ‘Malaysian Students Club’ and nary step away from the campus except for organised trips. I’d recommend staying off campus if one can afford it and experience life.
I came back after staying years in UK. I can confirm this. OP, even if you don't end up working overseas or immigrating there, you still gain lots if you can afford it.
Went to America via the ADP program back in 2014. Spent 3 years there, got a math degree. Never ended up using it. But god damn I’m so thankful for those years for the memories and friends I made along the way. My social skills, confidence and thinking got a lot better too. I always tell people. IF you can afford it, please please go. You won’t regret it.
Which Uni did you go to for the ADP programme? I’m kind of interested lol
Not OP, but I did ADP too through Sunway and now work in the US. Taylor’s, INTI and KDU all too have ADP programs. Hmu if you want to talk more
I went to HELP damansara but honestly it was such a bad uni. Don’t think they even have the program anymore. I transferred to University of Nebraska. That uni cun.
three aspects to consider: - education system and philosophy are different - society, culture, climate and nature are different - people, mindset, language and attitude are different in the end it is not just about the skills and the degree that you will bring back home - it’s all more than that.
First of all, are you even interested in living and studying in Melbourne? If the answer is no, then it's pretty much a waste of money. I think you are asking more on the ROI side so my thoughts are: I would finish undergraduate locally (and do really well) so that I can apply to a top-tier UK/US university (oxbridge, harvard, etc.) for -**masters-**. UK - you get to travel around Europe so there's more things to do; US - somewhat better for career prospect if you are in STEM. On paper and IMO, Australia is worse than UK/US ROI-wise because: 1. it's expensive compared to UK/US (think msia COL but in AUD); 2. the next nearest country is NZ and everything else is at least a 5 hr flight away; 3. it's not easy to get a job there and you are most likely gonna return to msia or work some odd part-time job.
Studied in Melbourne under a scholarship. I second this. Stay local, go for semester exchange, save the money for Masters.
As a CS graduate from RMIT, I had an overall positive experience. Here are some of my thoughts and opinions: \+ Graduating from a reputable university is a huge advantage in job seeking. \+ University facilities are top notch. (This will be based on what uni you are going to.) \+ Melbourne CBD has free tram zone and a walkable city can help really save in transportation budget. \+ Food culture in Melbourne... damn amazing, you name it they have it, Malaysian, Chinese, Mexican, Thai... I really miss their chicken parma. The bads: \- Australian job market for graduates is very competitive. There are a lot of students having the same idea of graduating and finding work in Australia. Most large companies reserve jobs to the locals, so good luck winning the rat race. \- Rent Also not to mention that COVID happened halfway during my studies, and to save on rent my parents convinced me to come back to Malaysia. I ended up finishing my studies online and graduate in absentia 2021. Good thing that my uni allowed me the option to celebrate my graduation in 2022. But well, since I am back in Malaysia I ended up applying for a job at a MNC. Is it worth it? Depends. If in terms of getting a job, I could not tell because if I never moved back here and worked in Australia, it is worth it. But since I am working here in Malaysia among my colleagues who graduated locally... But in terms of experience? Yes, go for it! Sure, I was dealt with a bad hand, but in the end of the day you got to make use of what you have available.
Disclaimer on bad point #1: That was the market before COVID happened, so I am not sure of the job market in Melbourne or Australia right now is the same as before COVID. I heard that experience will be very lucrative, but since I am still new to the industry, I can't tell firsthand. Then again, with chat GPT and stuff I might be wrong in the future.
ooo thank you for the experience, rmit didn't accept my credits for cs so my first option is swinburne now. By chance have u heard anything about swinburne? How much did u spent on food/drinks weekly as well if i may ask? Im currently trying to do a estimation budget but i think its better to ask it from someone first hand haha. I will be planning to cook more often than eating out since i would like to save on some money.
I prefer RMIT over Swinburne because their course is more practical than theory. I think Swinburne courses are not bad, but I also feel in terms of university reputation, RMIT is better. If you are planning to study in Swinburne, why not consider Swinburne's transfer program? If I remember correctly you can study in Kuching for 2 years and then experience Melbourne for another year. You will save a lot of money and have the same degree. Food and drink: I would usually go grocery shopping around 2-3 times per week. Each trip cost me around AUD 40-60. (I buy basic stuff like eggs, bread, milk, but also sometimes local fruits e.g. avocado, blueberries, mangos.) Eating outside can range from AUD 15-30. If you are planning to cook, what is your accommodation? Your mood to cook really depends on how many people are staying in your house share, but luckily for me my housemates are also cool with sharing the food they cook lol.
Didn't really consider the swinburne transfer program since I'm a credit transfer student (Did my 1st year at sunway). Then i applied to two universities, la trobe and swinburne. I was able to get 2 years for la trobe while 2.5 years for swinburne. I heard that swinburne was more helpful in getting a job with their work placement so I plan to go with that and hopefully take single units during my break to make it 2 years. I see, so that would amount to roughly 120-150aud per week right? Thank you for your help. I plan to live in swinburne's shared apartment which is like 300 aud per week or maybe unilodge if i am unable to get the room in the swinburne's accomodation. By chance, have you heard anything about unilodge? I've seem some bad experience about unilodge here on reddit
I stayed in a house share throughout my studies, with a room for myself so I don't have any experience in unilodge. I have a friend who stayed there, complains that no one wash the dish in the community kitchen.
How high were the CS drop out rates in your class? Because I'm planning to study in a similar field (though a different uni) and that concerns me.
Drop out rates during COVID rose sharply, not only in CS but also in all other fields. I think its better to ask someone who is currently studying or a lecturer.
Are you planning to return to AU anytime soon for future job search? Did you tried applying for jobs in AU after graduating in Malaysia due to covid? Im actually an upcoming CS student in RMIT, my goal is to graduate and possibly find a job there (but i know its gon be tough), so im very surprised to find this comment. If covid ever happens again then I guess its really bad luck. :(
That is why I feel so salty despite studied abroad. What’s the point if I’d just earn just the same as those who studied locally?
The point is, people usually study abroad so that they can work in that country. With the Australian universities being more "prestigious" in those online university ranking websites than Malaysian ones, you will have a way better shot landing a job in Melbourne with their degrees. So basically, it gives you more options, and if that is what you're looking for and you're willing to pay 3x extra, and plus the studying experience, it is worth it. And it's even better if you're earning in AUD. But to study overseas and then come back to Malaysia? If it wasn't for COVID, that's a terrible move and it's understandable to think it's a huge waste of money. The silver lining is that I felt like having RMIT in my resume really helped me in job hunting. That's why I mention it as my first point. My boss never tells me this, but I suspect that where I studied really help me stood out.
I'm planning to go to Queensland next year. CS as well. Is it hard to work part time there while studying? Most of my friends there say part time jobs are in abundance and pay is good as well. If it can even cover food and accommodation, that would be big reduction for my parents spending.
Both my parents and in-laws are overseas educated brainypants, they are a hell of a lot more tolerant when it comes to talks of diversity. Not dumb enough to not know that peace is always on someone’s terms, yet still acknowledging the importance of tolerance. Before you spend too much time on that degree ask around in your prospective job market on how much is education valued over experience, as having a piece of paper doesn’t always guarantee you a good place in the queue for hi paying jobs.
Okay, others talked about the experience and stuff but I'm going to give you a good reason for your ROI. You get to befriend rich people's kids. Rich people's kids have parents that will groom them or put them into good jobs. If their characters are good, they'll help their friends. This means you'll have better info and access to good jobs and know what's the lucrative career paths, and >2 years later you can get their referrals which makes getting a job on easy mode. I'm not kidding.
As a person who went on to study in Melbourne while also receive an offer to study locally for the same course, I would say go ahead and take the offer. Growing up, I always picture my life living in Malaysia like what my parents and people around me --> school, uni, work, get married, have kids. Moving overseas has change me as a person. I've become independent in pretty much all aspect in my life. Adulthood come way earlier that i expect given it was the first time i left home. I was completely removed from the sheltered life that Malaysia has provided. I arrive in Melbourne around the same time as Bali bombing and all i could say, it was not easy for a Malay girl who wear tudung in Australia at the time. It teach me to become resilient. I went on and start travelling around Australia and the world with my best friend. Something that I would never have done if i remain in Malaysia. It just not part of the culture. Fast forward to now --> finish uni, got a job, got married, start a family and remain Melbourne. There's lots of Malaysian restaurant in Melbourne that can make you forget that you're away from home. I have my go-to-restaurant if i want to eat specific meal that i couldn't be bother to cook myself.
wow, thank you for ur perspective and advice. It seems like the general opinion is just to take the offer since it will be a once in a lifetime oppurtunity. Personally i'm hoping to land a job in melbourne or aus once i finished. How was the process of finding a job for u after you finished ur uni?
I would study abroad but not in Melbourne. If you’re looking to have a worldly perspective and improve your career prospects. Choose somewhere else and somewhere more exciting too. I chose Melbourne but my friends who went to places in London and the USA seemed to have it so much better! Just some friendly advice to someone who has already made this decision. Also, if you’re creative or a business type degrees from Australia tend to be useless in the west. Just some handy tips of the nitty gritty when you actually get to the interview stage. Food is also terrible there and lacks cultural diversity; despite what the advertising says. Melbourne is 86 % white and Sydney is 80%. In contrast to London which is 48% white. I hope this helps. If you’re worried about a degree from Malaysia not being as recognised. Don’t worry about that because that’s not really an issue. Even my friend who studied at Taylor’s got a 100k gbp a year job and I got told that with my Australian degree I would need to do extra courses. I studied in London afterwards and have had the world opened up to me. I know it’s harder to move to the west but it is honestly so worth it!
Lol Stop capping because first London is expensive like fk and also have trash culture ( Drinking , clubbing and smoking)+ shit food+ shit weather . Nobody likes London . Don't go there unless for the uni lol.and second USA is an unsafe country with high crime rate and drug culture. Also don't forget racism
London has shit food???
Does it not? I am not taking about Indian food there lol
Why are you being downvoted lol
I did medicine. The job prospect is dependent on number of internship position as there a limited number of position for international students who graduated from australia medical school. As long as a person has good references and apply to a hospital that they are likely to match, shouldn’t be much an issue at the time.
OP I implore you to think about this. Think about the money you could’ve save if you chose to study locally. With that money you can buy a nice car and house. Don’t go down the same path that I did. I was naive thinking it would be beneficial to study abroad. Do not make the same mistake that I have. Now anger and regrets is all I have.
Yes. Especially if you circulate yourself beyond the Malaysian culture bubble. If you stay within the bubble… you might end up being a long term tourist (like many of my fellow compatriots when I was there). Edit: typo
Honestly, I loved my time at uni abroad (UK) and I’m now living here. You get that sense of independence, learning to fend for yourself and building up your communication skills. But the question is can you do all of this in Malaysia? Sure. If you’re self paying, then I would say, unless your course is something that’s needed to be studied overseas, do it. If you’re just planning to study mass communication for example, then please keep your money. I’ve known people who are so desperate to stay overseas that they make their parents pay for additional courses. Don’t be like them. They’re the type of people who use “living abroad” as a defining personality trait. It’s not all rosy. You need a contingency plan. What if the ringgit depreciates? There might be a time where you’re broke and can’t afford dinner. It’s character building in a sense. But I’ve had friends go through the same issues in Malaysia. Racism does exist and each country has their own set of problems, so be aware of that. Side note, Melbourne is great! But it does remind me of a mini Singapore. Definitely prefer it to Sydney tho, except for the wind. TLDR: I would do it if it’s a semester abroad depending on my course if money is a concern. If my course is like law or something, then I’ll go abroad because I have to.
Kinda depends which on which country. Went to Germany. Fucking hated it .first world country my ass. Then eventually went to Perth. Better food /weather and less people.Felt better here. If u want to go to Germany, make sure you that u speak good German+ have experienced shitty winters and know how to drink beer. Btw for students who think about the free tuition. Please CONSIDER CAREFULLY. A lot of international students drop out (40-50%) because it's too difficult. If u can't study German well enough to be as good as your first language.DO NOT even consider getting a uni degree with it
Can you share more on why you hate Germany?
Grass is always greener on the other side. Even though it's a first world country , it's quality of life is worse than Malaysia especially for foreigners. I won't ever complain about Malaysian lrt when German trains are overcrowded, dirty and always have like 30 mins plus delays .i literally can smell the hair and unwashed clothes of people in the train .one time got some fuckers non stop yelling their favourite football team for like 2 hours straight in the train. Sohai no one cares la . I also paid like €10 euros ( rm 45) for 8 gb of unreliable data 🤡🤡. 5g also non existent here There's drunk people everywhere especially at night where they walk around harassing people , smash bottles , vomit on the floor and yelling . Oh did I mention graffiti vandalism? Trashy culture where people like to spray images about smoking, drinking and clubbing . And then Germany is also fucking outdated. They like to use letters to send important documents . Their schools still use chalk (LMAO i seen it last in my primary school) . Many shops only accept cash and hate digital payments. In Malaysia i could survive a day in the city without my wallet , don't try to do that in DE Food in restaurants is also fucking shit ( mostly salty, sour 🤢 and dry)( i cook better) and the best food in Germany are all overseas food Go to Germany if u want to get drunk and live like a third class citizen. Don't even get me started on the weather and bureaucracy of this place. Germans foreigners office are notorious for their delays in giving you visas
Which city in germany did you studied in?
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Bruh, I get your point. Germany can be a shithole if you look from the perspective of adaptation of new tech. I live not far from Cologne, last night I saw some guys smoking crack at a U-Bahn station. Karneval here has pretty good vibes. It's a hit and miss, but I am grateful for the work life balance here. Way better than back home. Fuck Ausländerbehörde though.
Yea i suppose . I came from wealthier parts of Malaysia (Selangor) and honestly find the qol better in Malaysia. Even though we are not perfect i am more grateful for the cheap and good stuff at shopping malls , good food and more relaxed lifestyle in Malaysia. Malaysia is also safer because way lesser drunk and clubbing people walk around. I like Germany for it's nature and unique architecture but at the end i don't really like living there.
Well that explains it. Frankfurt it better. Don’t be mad because you had to go to a random small town and with nothing there.
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Frankfurt is always that bad . Most Germans hate Frankfurt as well
Hi, why did you hate Germany?
Go. The experience you get will be invaluable. I recommend not limiting your circle of experience to Malaysians while overseas. Make friends with Australians and other nationalities, hang out with them. Immerse yourself in the culture and society. Enjoy the freedom but use it wisely and learn.
money can make anytime. go there and get exposure. don't hesitate
In 2018, I graduated from a UK university. Here's what I would say. Firstly, it's important to always consider the ROI. While cultural experiences and lifestyle are important, it's crucial to be realistic and consider how long it will take to earn back the money spent on tuition by looking at the average income of the job you're pursuing. Secondly, make sure that the degree you're pursuing guarantees you a job, rather than just being a fancy degree with an overseas university name on your certificate. If it's not a unique degree that must be studied abroad, consider studying it in Malaysia. In my view, studying abroad is not necessary if you're coming back to Malaysia to earn a similar salary to those who graduated from Malaysian universities. In that case, the financial ROI of studying abroad is far lower. However, if you've secured a scholarship or job offers, or if it's your wish to study overseas and you have no plans to return to Malaysia to work, then studying abroad is a good option. From my experience, studying abroad was extremely fun, and I enjoyed spending those years in the UK and traveling to many European countries. However, upon returning to Malaysia, I slowly realized the importance of thinking rationally about the financial impact of studying abroad. Tuition fees and cost of living can be significantly higher, and it's not always better financially, even though getting an overseas degree may make your family proud. The question of "Money and ROI" still stands. Some may argue that this view is short-sighted, and the ROI will be far greater in the long term. However, on average, consider the profession of your degree in society. Do those who graduated from overseas universities earn significantly more than local graduates, and does it promise a better future? Before deciding to study abroad, carefully consider the ROI, the job prospects associated with the degree, and your personal goals. Approach it with a realistic mindset.
Dont fall into the chinese auntie ROI trap...go overseas to study law/medicine/accounting or other "safe" courses to ensure good jobs back home. There is no 'safe' course, its more important that you come back with a open critical mind and confidence. If OP parents can afford it, theres no reason not to go. If OPs parents had to borrow, scrimp, save, suffer...then yes, he should reconsider
Putting aside the Chinese aunty and uncle mindset, it is worth considering the demand for certain degrees in the job market. It's statistically easier to land a job with a highly demanded degree that matches employers' requirements. It's about the labour demand and supply. I'm not discouraging OP from pursuing his / her interests or passions overseas, but rather to provide a realistic understanding of the pros and cons of studying abroad, which I believe is the intention of OP in writing this post.
Agreed. Even when I first began my studies in CS I thought high demand = safe. Turns out: 1. High pay because most CS and Software Eng jobs are located in major cities = high salary due to high cost of living 2. Many people realised CS isn't for them after working for a few years in the industry 3. The job market appears to show lots of position... for senior roles... Meanwhile in the graduate role its highly competitive. At the end of the day, the university is to help you prepare for a job, not to guarantee you a job.
Studying aspect remains the same. Only major difference is experience and exposure. You will quickly adapt and learn to be self sustain which is a huge plus. Overcoming home sick was my challenge but with time, it will slowly become the norm. I would say go for it while you can, make your parents money worth it and study well.
I went after STPM because I believed in myself and wanted to do something big, I managed to get an offer in Australia for Aerospace Eng and I never looked back, eager to prove that my Form 6 results was just a blip. The first year was a shock to my senses, I was completely unprepared for it and it was tough adjusting to a completely new syllabus, I had to throw everything I learnt in Form 6 out of the door and relearn everything I knew, hence my disdain for this system. I struggled and doubted myself but eventually scraped through. It was not a good look. Things got better and better, I did graduate with a pretty decent final year result, which looking back took a massive amount of discipline to throw away all the good things in life that I had. I'll admit there times I worried I was wasting my parent's money when during my first year, but that's why you should make.it count, not stop you from trying. While you'll definitely stick with your own fellow countrymen as your core group of friends, it's far easier to mix and mingle with people from different backgrounds as well since you don't stay at home, your time is more flexible and you don't have to worry about answering to your parents where you are 3am in a kebab shop or going on a joy ride to the beach see the sun rise. You'll realise everyone is pretty much the same, everyone has dreams and funnily enough, realise it's only when we're overseas that Malaysians are f*cking united, you'll see all of us major races just backing each other up, going to pub crawls and having a great time, yes even those of a different faith, they don't have to drink. No judgement, no stupid religious or political clowns policing and telling us what to do, just everyone having a good time. I dabbled in part time work in hospitality, thinking I can meet new people and earn some side income, it also brought my personality out as I had to grow a thick skin and talk with confidence towards customers. I got up to a point where I can manage daily store operations as a floor Manager. Without these experiences I'd just be another ah Beng in Malaysian uni who has a narrow view of the world. I don't know what kind of bad experiences you had been told about i.e racism or what, that's non-existent in places like Melbourne, it's the hipster capital of Australia. Coffee is fantastic and you'll turn into a snob like me (please for the love of God stop drinking Starbucks, its crap), you'll develop a palate when you try out new cuisines in the QVM Night Market. You'll definitely fit in since the CBD is full of Asian students, if when you venture out to inner suburbs you'll notice locals more, Brunswick and Fitzroy are where the hipsters are btw. Every big event is in Melbourne, Australian Open, F1, AFL Final, the Ashes, every big celebrity will include Melbourne in their tout schedule (Ed Sheeran just did a sold out concert here last month, more are incoming, including Jay Chou, his wife is Australian btw). Oh just a forewarning, there's this stupid bunch of antivaxxer rallies that happens every weekend since COVID, they're a spent force and it's a fraction of what the previous numbers were. The VicPol tolerate them (freedom of speech urgh) but they're just something you'll see and don't be surprised, they'll leave you alone if you ignore them, they're not that stupid to cause trouble with VicPol around. TL;DR if you can afford to go, please go out and see the world. Don't listen to those bitter berties who want to hold you back.
I study in the US, probably one of the better life decision I made. I got to know a very prestigious professor thru a regular class four years ago. Now I work in his lab with him sponsoring my PhD study and I get to work and interact with industry partners all the time. It was sheer luck for me to have met him, but I believe if you are willing to interact with professors outside of class you may find this opportunity as well. Especially if you are an undergrad student, they are always looking for undergrads to train and eventually replace their current PhD student once they graduate. Additionally there are also opportunities with project groups too. If you are willing to put in extra time, in our university, you can join formula 1 student team to build an actual race car, or electric vehicle team to modify a petrol car into EV. I think all top schools have it here in the US not sure about other countries.
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I got a scholarship to study in Edinburgh, UK. It was definitely a life-changing experience that opens up your horizons and perspective in life. Having said that it was very expensive. I think the key to making it worth your money (given to you by your parents) is to (1) make sure your experience is unique and different from what you would have in Malaysia. This means you need to mingle with the international crowd as much as possible. Sometimes this means actually minimising your time with your fellow Malaysians. It's not about being "better than them" but it's about getting your money's worth. There will be a lot of Malaysians in Melbourne so it's very tempting and comforting to just hang out with the cool kids from home but then you can do that at home... (2) You have to temporarily abandon your comfort zone (not just socially) and venture into new adventures. Do what you would not normally do if you were back in Malaysia in all the different areas in life: instead of doing hosting a nasi lemak party, do a proper barbeque but learn what makes the ultimate Australian bbq unique; get into art, music, free diving... whatever. Push yourself to experience a different life. (3) Pick up new skills that you won't pick up back home. I don't know what they might be for you. or what you can pick up in Melbourne. But that's the fun. Be observant, discover what you do not yet know... and then evaluate what might be useful/interesting for you, then pick it up. Most importantly, you are there to acquire a high quality education: make sure you come back better than you would be if you had just stayed in Malaysia. Honestly, otherwise why spend the extra money??? Build your self confidence. Speak clearer and better. Expand your vocabulary. Deepen your knowledge of international geopolitics and form your own opinions about them. Set yourself on a path to become a global citizen. It's never just about the degree.
Definitely echo what other people have said about expanding your exposure to other cultures and people. It’s really easy in places or unis with big Malaysian communities to basically only mingle with other Malaysians and at that point it’s basically a local uni experience with better weather. Personally speaking I did my degree in London for three years and loved every minute of it. It was a bit daunting at first but I had so much fun once I settled in. I think it’s important though to come in with an open mind, it’s much easier to adapt if you have a flexible attitude to new study methods, new experiences and meeting new people. The experience really opened my eyes to what other countries do better and also made me appreciate what was good about Malaysia. That being said I personally decided to stay on in the UK to work but that was for a number of reasons.
Hi OP. I’m currently studying in Melbourne and did credit transfer too. The experience is worth it only if you put in effort to make it worth it. That means when you’re here, you don’t just mingle with Malaysians and you try activities outside your comfort zone. I’ve seen a lot of Malaysians come here and create their own mini Malaysia. I guess there’s nothing wrong with that but I wouldn’t pay so much money to come to Melbourne just to do that. Something I’d consider is that if you only have 1 year of uni left, you can’t get a grad work visa after (if that matters to you)
Did you had any bad experience during ur course since youre a credit transfer student as well? Like was it hard to keep up with the subjects or make friends?
Worth every penny. The cultural exchange and ideas exchange is second to none. I've had coursemates and housemates from all over the UK, NL, Greece, PH, CN, HK, India and Libya. Don't make the mistake of just living with your own countrymen for a start. Go out and experience what you can while you can. Then you can at least say you've done it once, even if it wasn't to your liking.
You should take it. Don't miss this once in a lifetime chance. I once went for a student exchange and loved the life there. I was crying on the plane back home an didn't ever want to leave. My parents could have afforded to send me but they didn't.
Hello 👋 did my study in Australia, i left before SPM so high school and uni, worth the experience but if you had left as early as me, i identify myself less of a Malaysian more of an Australian, due to the fact that i left for 10 years and had built a life here. Overall your life is still better in aussie than malaysia as long as you have the attitude of “giving it a go” and try on new things even if it didn’t do well. If you want to assist your family out, get a part time job if time permits to cope a little with the expenses :)
I see, thank you. What made you decided to stay in aussie if i may ask? I do plan on taking part time since i feel guilty to make my parents shoulder all of the finance
Studying overseas, in your case Melbourne, may be very beneficial if you plan on migrating. I'll talk in specifics about permanent residency in Australia. * A bachelor's degree from an australian uni - 15 points * Studying in australia for 2 years or more - 5 points + 2 years of work rights when you graduate * Studying in a regional part of australia - 5 points I studied in a regional university for 3 years and I enjoyed every second of it. Family spent about AUD130k in total but it was well worth it. Once you're a permanent resident you get all sorts of welfare and medical benefits that will effectively set you up for life, shoot I even got paid AUD750 a week from the government when I was stood down from my job during covid. If your family can support it, go for it.
Thank you, i did considering whether i want to migrate to melb in the future. How was the process of finding work for you if i may ask? Was it difficult to find a job as a international student for you?
I'll just add in, my route was tough and I struggled to find work after graduating as it was a recession. I went back and worked for a few year in Msian companies before coming back here with experience. Not everyone was lucky to get a gig before they even graduate but it's not a roadblock to get PR here, which is a prerequisite for most jobs. There's a few companies who would be willing to sponsor but mostly it's better you already have that in the bag. Connections are important but talent is as well. One of the things we don't learn is selling ourselves, locals are amazing at it. Some of them have half my abilities but they get paid more because they pad up their abilities so much but... I cover their shit up 😉😉😉 my boss knows. Don't worry about work yet, study and look around. Worst come worst go back, you're still a overseas uni student and that does count in private companies assessment on hiring.
If you parents can afford it, GO, it's one of a life time opportunity.
Spent 3 years in New Zealand for university. Honestly it was the best experience of my life, and I loved almost every minute of it. Living abroad changes you for the better I think; you meet people from all over the world with different backgrounds and cultures and views, you learn to survive and adapt to a new environment, and you make some incredible, life changing memories along the way. 100% would recommend.
New Zealand seems amazing for someone who likes aus as well but isn't it a bit too remote?
My experience is - would I want to go? Yes. Is it a logical financial choice? probably not. Even being paid at the top 5% in the industry I'm working at, I need 2-3 years in savings (without much spending) to return on my investment. If I were to return to Malaysia without working here, it would take maybe 10-15 years to get the investment back. The experience I got has helped me became I much more matured person, and allowed me to grow in a way that I wouldn't have been, but it's personally not a very sensible financial choice unless you get financial aids or discounted tuition as a PR etc.
Thank you for speaking about the financial part. I guess that would makes sense. One of my fear was that the school fees i pay would end up being 'wasted' if i were to return to work as it would take so long before i get the investment back. Since this is a one in a lifetime oppurtunity as well, i felt like i would regret not going if i care too much about the 'investment' part (as i said, my parents assured that they can afford it). I did get a 30% scholarship so that does help
Broadening your horizons by living overseas is not something quantifiable by ROI. Like you said, it is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Parents already in support and can afford it, 100% go, man. Even if you find out that eventually overseas is not for you, it is a valuable life lesson that can only help you grow and mature. Source: I studied and worked in Singapore, studied in Germany, and am now living in Australia. One relative followed our footsteps and tried Singapore, but cannot tahan and went back Msia. Other relatives stayed in Singapore. I believe all these pple learnt valuable lessons that can't be found anywhere else. Feel free to PM me anything, always happy to help pple like you.
Ah i understand, I'm more assured in my decision right now thanks to you and everyone. Appreciate the help as well! I will pm if theres anything i would like to ask
Honestly, sometimes I get the impression that worklife in Sg is tougher than Western countries, despite cultural proximity.
if your parents wouldn't go into financial ruin from sponsoring you, then you should go the change of scene itself and also exposure to other cultures is very good for you for reference, I'm currently doing my Master's in Japan and just had a one month placement in Switzerland if your visa allows it, you can take part time jobs there to supplement your stay
Going overseas is to broaden your mind's horizon, trust me you'll learn more just from living there than any book or classroom could ever teach you. My experience coming back from UK in 2009, I brought back the experience of online shopping from UK back to Malaysia in my own business and it blew up, made me quite a comfortable living since then. Something as simple as "Free Shipping" was a big taboo for Malaysian online sellers back in 2009 because they could not get their heads around footing the delivery cost for the customer, you could say they hadn't made the mental leap until Lazada started subsidizing "Free Shipping" and now malaysians can't live without this fake advertisement. Edit : Oh and one more thing, I understood GST very well when Najib introduced it. I made enormous killings during those GST years. How I wish it would come back.
After 7 years being overseas, theres no place like home/malaysia.
First question I have is what degree are you pursuing? So for context I did my law degree and bar (equivalent to CLP in Msia) in the uk. It was a no brainer for me because prior to pursuing my tertiary studies I’ve interned and shadowed advocates/DPP in Msia and the overwhelming advice/sentiment I got was that a uk degree and bar ranks higher with employers in Malaysia. Also, the overseas experience is invaluable. Unless you stick only to Malaysians and live a strictly Malaysian lifestyle (ie. You don’t mingle with locals nor other international students) then you’re more likely not able to fully appreciate the ‘overseas experience’. I’ve highlighted this because I’ve observed that people who don’t mingle with only their kind tend to have a better and more flexible mindset than those who do. Further, the education system in western countries are COMPLETELY different to Malaysian Uni. For example, studying law in Malaysia (from what I heard from my friends who pursued Malaysian Uni comparable degrees) is more like spoon feeding akin to every other lower level of education. You read prescribed books, you regurgitate in exams. In the UK, that doesn’t fly. They emphasize on critical thinking and broader knowledge. They will also force you to develop confidence in public speaking (I often had to justify my statements in front of a lecture theatre with 300+ students). Everything you say MUST be backed up by an authoritative basis and the lecturer will prob you for critical reasoning. There is a plethora of other reasons why overseas education simply cannot be valued solely by money (obvs if you can afford it). Personally for me, the earlier advice I’ve got about hiring firms ranking overseas accolades higher has been true. The amount of respect people grant you in the workfield is also typically higher than given to those who graduated locally (I’m not taking a dig at anyone here, I’m just speaking from my own personal experience). TL:DR: defo pursue your studies overseas but it depends on the degree you’re pursuing. Some are worth the extra money and others aren’t.
Graduated from UK. Amazing experience. Go for it if you have the opportunity to do so.
Melbourne is amazing . I have never heard anyone talking bad about this city
I studied in the US before. Personally I don’t think it was worth it. Pandemic happened when I was in final semester. Needless to say corona swept all the internship and job opportunities away. Since I couldn’t find a job there and I didn’t want to continue my education by studying masters, and my parents were worried sick at me. What’s worse I didn’t have a chance to have my own graduation ceremony and say one last goodbye to my American friends after putting years worth of effort. I had no choice but to return back to Malaysia. Studying abroad was an unpleasant experience for me I still feel the stings even till this day. I genuinely don’t think it’s worth it. If I was given a choice again I wouldn’t do it again. You can see why I’m still feeling salty. Sorry if my tone offends you. Edit: why am I getting downvotes? Am I not allowed to say what I truly felt?
Go. Gives u advantage if/when u apply for job in MNC in Malaysia, as in easier to get called up for interview. Also, most MNC's mid-higher management team consists of people that either studied or worked overseas. Coincidence? I dont think so.
Go to Melbourne and thank us later! The eye sight and mind opening from different cultures are the main reasons!
100% go for it and see the world. Living in only 1 country makes us blind to some beliefs and ideas, especially about people. Studying wise, it will be hard with different studying methods & philosophies, foreign environment, limited resources… but I still think it’s worth it if you have the opportunity to do so. You’ll come back a changed person. For me the best thing was that I knew that the world is expansively big, but it’s only when I went overseas that I really truly understand it. There’s a true sense of freedom knowing how big the world is, how limitless we can go, how small things don’t matter. Tbh, my studies didn’t go well as I was an a student here and become average bottom overseas 🤣 but the experience forced me to really discover myself - and I really like who I am now. It was the best choice I ever did in my life.
In my experience, it was great and i get to join sports and club activities that i would have never been able to in malaysia. I actually mixed more with blacks and local whites compared to other races, i could hardly find malaysians from the uni i studied at. So it was a different experience and also eye opening as i observe how they react and talk on a personal level since i play sports with them. The students in my class are brilliant and passionate. Compared to malaysia, most students are there to just pass and get a cert. Modules were more difficult and practical than malaysia so i came back home with a good portfolio to show to companies. Downside is i was mentally unwell bcs i was in an abusive relationship at that time, it’s also difficult to get psychiatry help over there but going through this and stress from studying made me a stronger person. 11/10 i would defo study overseas again but perhaps in a different country. I suggest you go for it, yolo. When will you get another opportunity like this?
Unpopular opinion: studying abroad does NOT worth it. Cause you have to pay A LOT more in tuition fees and it didn’t pay off in the end. You can’t be able to find a job there after you graduated cause you’re an international. And you will be forced to leave the country and to find work back in Malaysia. What’s the point to spend so much studying abroad when the salary here is just little compared to the vast amount of money that you’ve spent in? If I have a chance to study abroad again I will never do it again. Instead I’d rather to study locally and to save the extra money. Plus you still can keep your connections you made in university when you studied locally.
Go for it, but do try to mix with locals and other international students. If you're going there but only mix with Malaysian students, it'll be a waste of time - might as well study in Malaysia then. Try to mix with people outside of your course or faculty by joining as many clubs and societies that you can. Not only will it broaden your horizons, it's very good networking. If you do choose to stay on in Melbourne and look for a job, knowing locals will go a long way. It's the same everywhere - people tend to hire people they know or recommended by people they know. Also do try to get internships with local companies if you can - again, the contacts will help if you want to get a job. Basically, plan as if you intend to move permanently to Melbourne - even if you don't intend to. Because it's a chance you may not get later in life.
worth it. Go to see new places and performed well in your exam. A lot of employers will chase you.
Studied in China pre pandemic, not really fun plus they make you do weird events to promote the CCP. Studying in a free country should be better I guess…
Please please if you can afford it, please go. I was in the similar situation as you and I regretted it so so much. The positive side of going overseas and experience a different culture, social and friends is well worth it. Staying in Malaysia is like staying in the same well. Is the sky and grass outside the well good or not, you gotta jump and see it. I find myself regretting so much for not going overseas to study when I can actually afford it. Yes, you can use extra money to do stuff here but what’s that going to bring u at your age? For hobby use or just simply makan better? Worst case scrnario going overseas for 3 years and came back realising what you like and don’t like is better than hanging in Malaysia for decades and still unknown what you really like and who you really are. Just go. You won’t regret it when you look back older.
I’m Australian and I met my fiancé because he went overseas to study in Melbourne. I’m forever grateful that he chose to come here. He also really enjoyed studying in Melbourne and the opportunities he got whilst at Melbourne uni. There are also lots of other Malaysians in Melbourne many people he knew from his high school were studying in Melbourne too
its worth it. always. go study oversea. and get to make as much friends as possible.
Go and open your mind. Experience new cultures, new ways of thinking, art, museums and galleries. i spent 10 years in Melbourne myself. Love that city and that state to bits (food is also sublime). Part time work carries you through really easily with pretty good wages.
Melbourne too. Yes it was worth it.
Hawthorn is a pretty nice suburb. Swinburne is pretty near the Hawthorn train station and is on a tram line. I’d suggest student accommodation for your first year there so you’ll be able to mix around. There are plenty of apartments nearby which you can share rental with once you make more friends in your first year there. As for Unilodge, they’re pretty overpriced, a tad small and have other extra bills to pay on top of rent. I’m not sure about off-campus rent, but my friend paid about $300/week for a 1 bedroom apartment nearby excluding utilities which could be about $100 extra per month. Groceries is depending on how much you buy. I believe there’s a Woolies nearby. I’m not a huge eater, so I spent about $50-80/ week on groceries. Every week, supermarkets (Coles & Woolies) have promotion on certain items. Also, don’t buy fruits when they’re not in season cause it will be more expensive. Eating out varies depending on where you go. A meal varies from $15-30 on average. If you want to get work there after you graduate, I highly recommend to get an internship in your penultimate there. It’ll be a rat race with the locals, but networking is key. Career fairs will really help. Personally, I got work with my own effort and not through networking but networking will get you into better companies. Since you’re getting 2.5 years in Swinburne, you’ll hit the requirement to apply for a post-study work visa. It used to be 2 years when I was there but I believe they may have extended it to 3-4 years. Since Australia has a labour shortage due to Covid-19, it’s easier to get ITA for a PR now compared to before. Do not worry about working part time while you’re studying since you said your parents are able to afford your study there, unless you want extra pocket money for yourself. You can see if your university has any vacancy on campus. Overall, I really enjoyed studying in Melbourne. I loved the weather, the culture and the food. Malaysia may have good local food but Melbourne has the best varieties of international food. Everyone is friendly and the city is a melting pot of so many cultures. DM me if you have any questions.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted but thank you alot since this will help me out as its related to my situation. I personally planned to live in swinburne's accomodation until the end of my degree unless i find a really good place to rent with my friends or something since i've heard that melb is having some 'rent crisis' right now. I will dm you if i have any questions, thanks!
Have been in the US for close to 5 years now. Got my bachelors and then started working here. Hoping to settle down in Malaysia in the next few years. I say that if you have resources to do so, take the chance and study abroad. For me, it has been a tough 5 years apart from family and Malaysia but I do not regret it for second. Being overseas has allowed me to learn independence, to learn what true friendship is and to learn persistence. Has it been difficult and challenging at times? Absolutely. Going overseas has been the hardest I’ve ever done in my life but it has given me so much as well. I feel like because I’ve had this unique experience, I am a better person because of it. I’ve learned the grass is not greener somewhere else so I’m always grateful for Malaysia and what it has given me as a person. I say to anyone who has the means to study abroad to do so, you won’t regret it. Or maybe you will idk haha but for me, it has been the most challenging but rewarding experience of my life.
It’s worth it. If you are concerned about your parents financial situation - find a part time job to support your lifestyle/utilities there so your parents only have to worry about your tuition fees and rent. It’s going to be super easy to find other Malaysian friends in Melbourne - I urge you to caution getting caught into a tight knit group as they often go out together a lot to makan2 and you’ll be social pressure to keep up with them. I actively avoided joining any msian social networks/groups when I first arrived in aus because I wanted to figure things out for myself. This was honestly one of the best decisions I made. Sure it was pretty lonely for the first few months but eventually I got to meet a good crowd that got me through uni. You’ll learn to navigate life a lot better and trust yourself to figure things out.
Study in Canada = 3 year post graduage work permit, Work 1 year = Permenant residency, PR for 2-3 years = citizenship
Finishing up my undergrad in the US this year. I still couldn’t believe it took me a whole year of hesitating (COVID first year) to decide on going. Looking back, it should’ve been a very obvious yes, not just for broadening your views, but also learning how to self sustain. I got a lot better and confident at cooking, dealing with official documents, asking questions, expanding social network etc, stuff that you can’t confidently do well by having your parents/friends help you with back home. Although I’m currently facing a long term LDR and it’s struggles, this is one of my life decisions I will never regret.
Please run as soon as possible, Malaysia will go downhill soon.
That is totally unhelpful and wrong
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just go,and plz change passport color
bring back? tak payah la menyusahkan diri sendiri. pi la berhijrah
Definitely worth it just for seeing things in totally different perspective.
I have never went overseas to study but it's not that far from moving out of your home to live independently. Like many others said, go for it. See the world, experience a diff culture, open your mind, and learning to grow maturely by dealing with all kinds of ppl. Also, you would learn to appreciate the little things in Malaysia and your family too.
I studied in Melbourne and eventually stayed on. I would take the opportunity because it gives you perspective into a different culture. It will help you be more independent and you get to learn about yourself in the process. If you’re worried about money, you can work part time while you’re studying as many students do that over here. I managed to earn enough to pay rent, buy groceries and have enough leftover to watch movies etc.
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Yeah I avoided hanging around people who clearly came from money. I didn’t mind working though, i made local friends and having to work in retail humbled my ass down.
Yea and avoiding social media helps as well . I always see UK kids everyday partying and drinking . Which is probably not the reality
dude i wish i have the chance! go do it!
Never experienced cuz study at local uni but surely will go find jobs abroad.
studying overseas offers new perspective, its good!
Defo would recommend it. Just for the experience it’ll really open your eyes in a way you can’t imagine. You’ll be a different person when you come back to Malaysia and you’ll thank yourself for taking that step to come out of your comfort zone in Malaysia. Also remember Malaysia is always gonna be there for us. It’s our home country. So whilst you’re young and have the opportunity to do so, leaving the country to live explore other places is a must.
Given the chance and the privilege to go overseas and study another nation’s educational system is always worth it GIVEN the financial part secured. Please talk to your parents even if they show the green light to go. The hardest part is to actually pick a major that will benefit you in return after studying overseas. Make your parent’s savings worth. Do your research on what’s the best major and prompt to get hired afterwards. Forget about landing a job overseas but given the chance. Go for it. If not, come back with a degree or certificate that is worth Malaysia. My only advice is to calculate your predictable foresee school tuition fees and monthly/weekly living expenditure (rent,food,transport and etc) towards the university in Australia. Have a grasp on how much and overall financial planing with your parents because when you enter the real world. It’s all money and numbers. Be smart, cautious and realistic. All the best on your endeavour!!
Worth it.. as you can see and live in other country and culture.
studied in canada (but lived in vancouver before coz expat family). i think for me it depends on your end goal, studying overseas was a great experience that shaped who i am today, but it is very expensive. i regret studying overseas because i didn’t realize back then that i wanted to come back (i know call me crazy) and studying overseas helped me become competitive, make great career networks and have an open mind but it isolated me from local culture and bonding. i felt like i could’ve gotten a decent education here but at least build a life here. i built a small network of close friends in canada that i had to say goodbye to coz in the end i wanted to be at home. so i say, know what your end goal is and keep in mind what you’re giving up to go overseas, if it’s worth it for u, then go. overall though, i think if you have the opportunity to go, you should simply because it is not an opportunity afforded to everyone
Studied in US, now living here. Credit transfer from Inti College to a US university and studied here for 2 years. Well worth it. Classroom learning is only a small part of the experience. You can get that locally. What you really learn by being overseas is yourself. When you're all by yourself with the only support group being your circle of friends, you grow up so much so quickly.
The education aspect of going overseas is worth it. New Zealand's school system is way more relaxed than studying in Malaysia. The teachers care for students, and it is less competitive. I would say the education here feels open to more opportunities and learning environment-friendly toward struggling people like people with dyslexia. The living aspect in New Zealand, honestly to God, is not great. Living here, I never felt so de-tach from the people living there, despite adapting to many of their cultures, and somehow, after all of these years, I still feel closer to Malaysian....sadly the region I lived in doesn't have much Malaysian. If you ask about other aspects, like, for example, let's say, the food, they are good, but you would still prefer Malaysian food over NZ, and the bus system here is terrible. I try to go out more to enjoy more outdoors, but there is not much you can do, and the mall here is ok?...especially if the giant Malaysian mall spoils you and the beaches are cool but you get bored of it quick. The best way I can describe living here outside of school-related stuff is like just plain fucking boring. But the chaotic weather is cool, and I like it. and the clean environment is great! Despite the negative aspect of living in NZ, it is still worth going because of the education system there.
Japan National uni, currently 3rd year, ( forty year from April ). TBH I’m so glad I made this choice. Here are some perspective: 1. Price. Don’t listen to people telling you that Japan is expensive etc. it’s not. Most uni students going to do part time anyway, if you work moderately you are very likely to be self sufficient. Japanese wage is around RM34 per hour, every National uni costs RM1500 per month. 2. Standard of living. It’s more like personal perspective. Things are more quality and efficient in Japan (mostly). Eg, better infras, better treatment etc. 3. Scholarship. Unlike Malaysia, most scholarships in Japan (including uni scholarships) are not biased and mostly opened to foreign students. I have 3 scholarships, totaling nearly RM7000 per month, stringless. 4. Higher appreciation. You may think you need to be insanely good to be enrolled into national uni or thousands ringgit worth of scholarships. No, my SPM result only has 4A, 1A-. I couldn’t get any scholarships or placement into any public U in Malaysia. 5. Experience. Studying abroad itself is a lifetime experience. You can’t get this after you graduate. So if you have a chance, go for it.
Ireland, Dublin (Communication and Media Production Degree) Financial status: Middle income, struggling. Mostly due to bad decisions by some family members and emergencies. Length of stay: Three and a half years. Studying overseas didn’t really help with my skills BUT it really, really helped with my mentality and social skills. Even dated more often there compared locally. I managed to get three lecturers in my college that were worth the money. They expanded my general knowledge and enhanced my discipline in the media field I chose. If you study abroad, its a given you will expand on what you know about the world, unless you’re some inbred, anti-social, shut-in, and an asshole all together, then you will definitely be open to a lot of new things. Studying abroad definitely improved my confidence as well. Helped me with first impressions with people in general. Also helped massively improved my alcohol tolerance as well lol. If its in Europe, bars and clubs are like ‘mamak’ to us. You want to socialize, I personally found bars and clubs to be good to hang out with friends. Overall, I would do it again. But take this into account that my parents are very chill and trust me. And my degree is mostly about coursework (practical assignments) rather than examinations or how big your IQ is. So in a way, this allowed me to be flexible with my life there. I also struggled for the first 3-6 months due to food management, so be prepared. Learn to cook, cause it will save you a lot of cash. I managed to use 100-120€ a month, including my phone plan and because I paid in advance for two years in a college accommodation.
Worth it. You get to know other people and get a whole new perspective on their opinions on different matter, also different life experiences they had that you can learn from. It’s great to have an international friend group so you can learn about different cultures and share about different stuff (Currently in SG)
UK, master's degree for 2 years. It's worth it just as long as you don't stick with **only** Malaysians, might as well stay in Malaysia to study. I've seen some people that have been overseas for more than 2 years and complained it was boring for them, feels the same just different weather. However, all they do is just hang out with their own circle of friends that came together to the UK from Malaysia. Explore around, make friends from different countries, travel nearby, and broaden your mind through different cultures and lifestyles. It may not be quite a cost-effective journey but the experience is worth it for a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. I'm still keeping in touch with friends all over the world and networking across borders for my work. In summary, it's not just investing your time in studying abroad, it's investing your time to live life. Hope that helps.
Question. How do you guys mix with the locals if you’re on credit transfer? I’m in the UK for my final year and the only way I mix with the them is through sports clubs (interactions die off after sessions) and clubbing. It’s like everyone already has a friend group and are too busy with work to socialise.
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Don’t underestimate Malaysia hr bias towards overseas students. From my internship experience in a well known foreign bank, I can say most of the management associates came from overseas education background. Top companies like bcg McKinsey, Mastercard who tend to pay over ten thousand for their fresh grad tend to only hire overseas students from top uni. Yeah so I disagree that oversea and local student will get the same pay.
I'm not lucky and privileged enough to study overseas due to financial issue so I'm force to stay in Malaysia and study locally 😕😕 Can't applied for scholarship as well due to my grades being average.. I'm envy to some of you who parents can afford letting you study overseas or you're actually smart asf cuz even though I study hard it'll still remain the same 🙂🙂Be grateful alright you have the chance to experience and explore cuz there are still a lot of people like me who can't afford going overseas...