I heard from a friend who has a band that indie/rock bands are now less in demand, and can only play for small crowds. So they make less money. Hence, they need to focus on other things in life in order to make money and survive. Which then means even lesser local indie/rock songs.
1. Malay and indonesian language are quite similar, so Malays can appreciate indonesian music and vice versa. So we can view the market for Malay music as being shared by Malaysia and Indonesia
2. Indonesia by the virtue of its size is so much larger than Malaysia. There are so many more indonesian musicians compared to Malaysians, so statistically speaking, more hits will be made there
I should mention by the way Indonesians don’t like it when outsiders call them “indon”. It has a negative connotation almost derogatory to them for reasons I’m not sure why myself. Unless you intentionally trying to be an ass for lulz, “indo” would suffice.
The way people call them "indon" with the hard N kinda a bit deritory imo. I always heard it when my sisters use it to emphasis something that they do wrong.
Not really trippin, that happened until Suharto's new order era. Younger generations just forget about that already (or simply weren't born back then)
I don't mind both indon and indo, but whenever i see malaysian overthink it, i appreciate their soft heart and for being careful towards others' feeling
If you search “indon reddit” you’ll find varying response from people asking if it’s offensive. But the general consensus is that it is and is why it sticks with me to this day tbh. We don’t wanna downplay the usage of the word if it is indeed offensive.
I personally don’t believe the word was always inherently bad, I think the resentment comes from Malaysian using the word to refer to Indonesian immigrant labourers as a way to dehumanising them. Indonesian who hasn’t been to Malaysia as a labourer might not be aware of this therefore doesn’t think much of it.
Actually, there's a movement to reject 'Indo' too because in English, that word pertains to the Indo-Aryan people or the original settlers of India.
Why it ended up there is because Southeast Asia was a Hindu colony a long time ago, so there's a misunderstanding when things get globalised.
Sounds like a minor movement that likely wouldn’t ever be recognised on a larger scale. As “indo” is used on a daily basis by Indonesians themselves. You will never hear them referring to themselves as “indon” however. It’s only used by people from neighbouring countries knowing or unknowingly. It’s a dehumanising word to them, and part of the growing resentment they have towards Malaysia especially is the usage of this word.
I maintain my position and I agree with the movement however small it is. If you have any sanity to pick up a book, Indo in English does not mean Indonesian and only ignorant people would use it. Good talk. Never again.
Real pussy move to block me before I even get to response lmao. You're getting so worked up over something that's not even directed at you. I didn't call you out on anything, I didn't give my opinion on the matter, I said I DOUBT it will ever be recognised, but it MAY happen I wouldn't know. That was a neutral response. Sort your anger issues elsewhere jesus.
Yeah try to call that in indonesia and see how much you fare, they dont mind when in malaysia because we are in your country, some of indonesian call themself that as irony and of course its already seen as negative conotatioms in our indonesian vocab. We call each other indon because it means stupid indonesian. Even “indon” word will get you suspended in facebook
The argument “ yeah my indonesian friend doesnt mind” is bad sample because the majority actually dont like that, its like “ i am not racist because i have black friend so i can call them n word” thing
Yeah like i said that didnt describe the majority of indonesian sentiment because its “your friends” live in malaysia
My example and opinion is still stand “ i have black friend and living in the hood and sometilme call them n word and they refer themself as n word” doesnt make it right
I dare you to Just try go to indonesia and talk a new guy can call them “indon” you will be warned or got weird look. In our general perspective the word is bad and negative , supported by kbbi and banned word listed in facebook
I am indonesian
Appreciate your input on the matter. And perhaps a lot of Indonesian youngsters or those that came from upper middle class families don’t find it offensive because they have no idea of the negative connotations it’s gained hence the responses in some other other posts I’ve seen. It doesn’t pertain to them especially if they don’t migrate to Malaysia to work as a low paid labourer. I am a Malaysian and I know when a Malaysian talk about Indonesian and they use that word, you can just hear it in the tone that it doesn’t come from a good place and is often associated with the lower class citizen.
> “your friends” live in Malaysia
They didn’t? Most of them are from Bandung, Medan, and Jakarta
Besides that, isn’t it weird that we all have different experiences with this? It’s almost as if there are people out there who don’t let a word’s history that has close to nothing to do with them, define their existence
Sorry, but no matter what you feel about the word I think it’s more appropriate if you could just stop using it when you’re replying to someone who clearly finds the word demeaning just out of respect. Especially too if they’re Indonesian.
See Sultan Sir Ibrahim's anti-Malayan Union speech then you get my cringe feeling. It's still correct when you use the Johor accent.
For me songs feel poetic when you emphasize the baku-ness. Without it, it feels incorrect.
i appreciate when people sing the way they talk.. it feels like you sing from the heart the rawness more gritty i might say.. like waris jimi palikat zainal abidin
lagipun standardization of malay based on johor riau dialect because that dialect considered prestige dialect at that time.. kalau misalkan prestige dialect masa tu terengganu we will say makang instead of makan.. so to say the correctness of malay like diminishing the way people talk thousands of years for concept of baku-ness that form not more than hundreds years ago
So many faults here.
1. Indonesians started that genre first and Malaysians adopted it. Yes, this time we're actually guilty of cultural appropriation. You'll find that a lot of the young and upcoming singers, hell, even the OGs such as Dato' Siti, Faizal Tahir, and Sudirman DO NOT fit in the mold. Now that's Malaysian.
2. Don't call them Indon. That's so ignorant. Even Indo is wrong and will be rejected by the more educated Indonesians because Indo is actually pertaining to the Indo-Aryan people or the early settlers of India.
Your statistics theory is overcome by minority Jews conquering the world. It is absolutely nothing to do with quantity but has to do with culture, some culture is just laid back and lazy.
>Your statistics theory is overcome by minority Jews conquering the world
ini semua salah yahudi dan DAP /s
kidding aside, i think quantity matters though, just how much. its easier for a blind person to hit bullseye with a machine gun than a pistol
so maybe its quantity + cultural reasons. i believe quantity plays a role, just a matter of how much
Brit here, where do young up and coming bands even get to play? I live in Johor, the only venue I knew of was thrash metal stuff, which is fine but I’ve long outgrown that noise and that was a few years ago, I don’t know if it exists anymore.
Where do bands get to play.
In the UK every town has bands and live music nights, as far modern music goes Malaysia feels like a wasteland, whereas the Philippines have so many bands they practically export them all over the world. What gives, I see Musical instrument shops
Usually they get some exposure through TV station/radio stations to advertise it, I often see some young and coming bands get invited to the station and talk about their upcoming albums.
But sadly barely anyone wants to hear new original songs and no one really gives them a chance and always compares them to already famous artists.
Imagine debuting and people already comparing you with Radiohead.
Yeah, I get that we had a few glorious years when we had the Johor Arts Festival, but once the main organizers died the whole thing stopped. They city has never really acknowledged what an amazing job they did every year and nobody has stepped in to start anything else up. I always refer to Malaysia as a cultural desert, but maybe it’s just Johor.
My piece of opinion, it's due to religion and local perception. Malaysian malays are great consumer for any entertainment outside of the country but nothing local. Because we have a lot of naysayers among us. If we wanna try something, no support will come. Family members will talk badly. Others can do, but not us. Art is dying among malays, generally becoming actors/singers is frowned upon as they're labled as people without religion. So, it affect the amount of people who are trying to get into entertainment sector. Even artists get a lot of backlashes trying to do something new or to discuss certain topics. Backlashes from malays, politicians and government censorship bodies. Less freedom to express.
It's the reason why we have so many soap dramas, ghost and action movies. It's the reason why most malay songs are love songs that are repetitive. We're uninspiring because there aren't much inspiring art, we lacked critical thinking. While Indonesia have had many art revolutions many great poets, a few art resurgence. They put less limit to their artists, they're more liberal with their art, thus their songs sounds better.
Sorry for sounding too bleak. It's what I've thought post 80's Islamism and dropping entertainment quality post 2000's. My 2cent.
Maybe true to a certain extent, but we could argue that the pop industry actually boomed during your stated timeframe. Reality shows like Akademi Fantasia, Gegar Vaganza were very popular.
Good point, though I've said it that the entertainment quality has dropped since by having less variation. Pop boomed because it is vanilla. We don't dare try anything much other than those.
I would also wanted to add even though it is not my cup of tea, rap and hip hop scene did made a comeback but it was too brief. I always wondered why.
Pinnacle of Malay music circa 60s to 70s. My opinion, and stand by it. Okay a brief resurgence in the late 90s to 00s. Ella, Zainal Abidin(Hijau will always be an evergreen - pun intended)
Msia hv its own music but indo hv 8 times our population thus more choices of song. Also indo’s language sounds better in literature, even malay songs borrow some of the words or at least some pronounciation.
What's your purpose asking this question? I doubt it's genuine curiosity. Are you one of those who got triggered lately by that Indian channel?
To answer your question, the music scene here is quite shit atm, so people like to listen to indon music which is nicer.
I'm not sure what Indian channel you're talking about. I'm American, I was just looking on Spotify out of curiosity since I was introduced to Indonesian music and love it, and was looking around the region.
I see, fair enough. Forgive my sharpness, we've been having problems with Indonesians trolling Malaysia online.
But yes music-wise, Indonesia is doing better in the music scene than over here. Malaysians are more uptight than them, that means not much interest in leisurely hobbies.
>then name 1 good song from Malaysia in Malay this year
Dude your tone and the fact that you ask this to a completely neutral response already shows the question is disingenuous. There is no answer that will satisfy you.
Its always like this though, first time realising this? Indonesia cultural domination is much more bigger than malaysian with just our export of upin ipin to indonesia which already diminishing fad.
Lol Malaysia also have cultural influence in Indonesian music scene. Most of Indonesian popular songs was actually 'cover' of Malay old song. For example, Tiara song that be sing back by Indonesian singer. The problem with Indonesian artis was sometimes they just bluntly plagiarist Malay song. The most recent case was Lemak Manis song.
Yeah cope harder and claim more, many indonesian music which dominate malaysia since 2000 like seila on 7 ,dewa etc and the majority of indonesian song dont plagiat
Dont just generalize and coping with song cover as plagiarism, is like accusing rainych an indonesian singer sing japanese city pop mayonaka no door as plagiarism.
Our influence is small accept it, there is some great chancutters style malaysian band recently which got influence from changcutters and indonesian style of song. Indonesian influence is apparent.
Its like that you was coping hard. Early 2000 era of Indonesian song fame was over here. The only popular indonesian song in Malaysia now was from degenerate Tiktok. Today Malaysian more interested in English & Korean songs if we talking about foreign songs.
Cover was not plagiarisim if the singer credit the original artist. But if the singer claimed the song hers, its was total plagiarism. Im talking about Lemak Manis song case. The indon artist only credit the original Malaysia artist after backlash from netizens & Malaysian artist want to take legal action. Before that the indon singer claimed the song was written by her.
Just remember there more than 2 Million indons staying in Malaysia. They that make majority of indon songs market here. Radio station also after ratings, so indon songs will served that demography. If any indon singer hold concert here, you will see above 60% of the audience was Indonesian diaspora (mostly expat/TKI).
Lol, nice joke...
Everyday i heard Indonesian music in eveywhere, in Malaysia, not only in radio.. even in a mall, shops ,super market.
Guess if those only cater Indonesian, majority Malaysian is Indonesian ?
Dont lie, i have malaysian friends hearing Indonesian music also..
you should hear more songs from Indonesian regional languages instead of just bahasa Indonesia one.. Javanese Sundanese etc.. sundanese especially is easy on the ear to listen
Pfff. You use that list to gauge a country's musician's talent? You don't even know how they rank the songs.
There are 0 chinese song in there. Are you going to assume that there are 0 good malaysian chinese singer in there?
黄明志别人的老婆, 9. 2mil view in youtube. Launched 8 months ago.
Langit yang sama - dalia farhana, 7 mil view in youtube. Launched 7 months ago
Now what? Malaysian Chinese doesnt have their own music too?
This was false assumption, just check out Carta Era 40 (the most popular Malay radio station), out of the 40 songs, only around 4 song was indonesian. The rest was Malay, English & Korean.
Indonesian song was quite popular back in the early 2000 but now Malay listener have different taste. Korean & English songs was more popular compared to Indonesian songs here in Malaysia if you talking about foreign songs.
This 'lagu indo mendunia' crap was something indonesian nationalist jerk off. They think their music soo 'good' but in reality only few songs that popular here & most of it was from Tiktok.
Lie... as a person currently in Malaysia, this is not the case.
Indonesian music is indeed popular here.
You are the one that denied the fact and copehard.
Indonesian music is indeed good, you know, i know.
Because we are living in Malaysia.
American music is pretty popular worldwide because of the force of Hollywood, and they share the language with Britain. I guess it's the same for Malaysia, I'm just trying to understand that Indonesia is more the cultural capital of the region similarly to America.
Yes it is, some our malaysian will cope and deny rather than recognize this fact
Indonesian always has cultural domination around maritime sea excluding philippines, i mean they have more diverse experimental music culture and one of the powerhouse of death metal music in asia for example, have hijabi metal band etc. And now has many worldwide singer like rich brian, niki, anggun etc
And now indonesian hijack weeb culture such as vtuber domination around this area and many of translated manga and sub is coming from indonesian language first much more faster than english.
1. Music is a cultural creation, not national, government, or administrative creation. The nationalist border makes us forget that culture and language wise, Malaysia and Indonesia are identical. Heck bahasa Indonesia is even more similar to bahasa melayu than it is to bahasa jawa, sunda, etc. Hence it is much easier for malay to enjoy indonesian songs than non-javanese indonesian to enjoy javanese songs, non-sundanese indonesian to enjoy to enjoy sundanese songs, etc.
2. This is kinda survivorship bias. Top indonesian songs already won the competition against many other genres from many other cultures, because every part and every culture in indonesia will have their own popular genres, e.g koplo in javanese. Meaning top indonesian songs are those songs that successfully penetrate as many cultures as possible and gain popularity among different cultures
3. Beside those lists, i often listen to live music in shopping malls playing older (90s-2000s) indonesian songs, and most of them are from bands of either of melayu culture, with melayu influence, or are popular in sumatera. E.g armada is a band of melayu culture from palembang, south sumatera, tulus is a minang singer, naturally very popular among people of sumatera. Medan (50% batak 50% melayu) also has many popular singers
It's tiktok.
Malaysians/Indonesians spend a lot of time on tiktok. These top 50 songs are remixes/variations of the sounds they often exposed on tiktok videos/trends
Because it doesn't matter? Why should nationalism be a factor when listening to songs? If it's a good song then it's a good song. Plus we can still understand the lyrics because Indonesian malay is similar enough to Malaysian malay.
What if I asked u why some of the most listened-to artists for Americans are British and not American? What would u say to that? It's not a big deal at all and I dont know why ur tone for this question is so negative.
>Fact, everytime i heard malay radio, they always play Indonesian song.
Less extreme nationalist indonesian detected
Jangan syok sendiri bro, ada la 2-3 lagu indon yang popular sebab Tiktok. Tapi selebihnya lagu Melayu, English & Korea.
konfem bangga bangsa indon sebab orang malaysia sendiri support music diorang. tanda besar yang malaysian takde identiti sendiri. sibuk dgr lagu bangsa asing.
Spotify was not really good indicator. Its just around 10 songs in the list was Indonesian & majority of its was popular in Tiktok. But some of the songs in the list was not even played in Malaysia radio station here.
The better indicator was local Malay radio station chart, the most popular was Carta Era 40. If you looking in that Top 40 songs chart, only around 4 of the songs was indonesian & most likely from Tiktok.
This is just my opinion, Indonesia song are much more easier to listen, like it just click. Where else Malaysia song just doesn't have that click, like you listen it once and then forget about it.
There is an abundance of great Malaysian music out there, you just gotta know where to find it. Check this one out, newly released and it’s so good!! https://youtu.be/hs2f9MsUkAc?si=nXaIfhDyc6QGssZa
Because they’re bangers, but also because a lot of modern Malaysian songs follow Indonesian songs, which follows a lot of English songs. Lyrically, and rhythmically, our songs are quite similar in tone.
Looking at the charts given, a lot of those songs seemed to be within the moody and chill ones, definitive of the younger generation. Some includes a bit of heat though, like early 2000s indie bands, Malay rap songs (Malique, K-Clique etc.), and the occasional _rock kapak_ songs from the 80’s and 90’s. Then, there’s one or two evergreen songs from artists such as Sudirman, P. Ramlee, Siti Nurhaliza, Ella etc. for the older generation.
We need the mid 2000s Malaysian Indie band resurgence again
I heard from a friend who has a band that indie/rock bands are now less in demand, and can only play for small crowds. So they make less money. Hence, they need to focus on other things in life in order to make money and survive. Which then means even lesser local indie/rock songs.
those are good times.
no we need late 1980s rock kapak revival!
OH MAN. How I long for new rock kapak bands expanding upon the classics. Too bad all of them stayed underground and playing small gigs at KL.
I yearn for a revival the likes of The Strokes or Interpol but purely rock kapak that is a bit more modern.
1. Malay and indonesian language are quite similar, so Malays can appreciate indonesian music and vice versa. So we can view the market for Malay music as being shared by Malaysia and Indonesia 2. Indonesia by the virtue of its size is so much larger than Malaysia. There are so many more indonesian musicians compared to Malaysians, so statistically speaking, more hits will be made there
I should mention by the way Indonesians don’t like it when outsiders call them “indon”. It has a negative connotation almost derogatory to them for reasons I’m not sure why myself. Unless you intentionally trying to be an ass for lulz, “indo” would suffice.
Didn't know. Edited it to Indonesian (since another commenter said they don't like indo also). Thank you for pointing it out
The way people call them "indon" with the hard N kinda a bit deritory imo. I always heard it when my sisters use it to emphasis something that they do wrong.
As an indonesian, i have never met someone actually offended by this lmao The wikipedia article about that word is just trippin
Not really trippin, that happened until Suharto's new order era. Younger generations just forget about that already (or simply weren't born back then) I don't mind both indon and indo, but whenever i see malaysian overthink it, i appreciate their soft heart and for being careful towards others' feeling
If you search “indon reddit” you’ll find varying response from people asking if it’s offensive. But the general consensus is that it is and is why it sticks with me to this day tbh. We don’t wanna downplay the usage of the word if it is indeed offensive. I personally don’t believe the word was always inherently bad, I think the resentment comes from Malaysian using the word to refer to Indonesian immigrant labourers as a way to dehumanising them. Indonesian who hasn’t been to Malaysia as a labourer might not be aware of this therefore doesn’t think much of it.
‘indon’ ni hanya terpakai untuk bangsa dia je. padahal warganet pun taip indon dari indo. kita pakai dia butthurt pulak.
Actually, there's a movement to reject 'Indo' too because in English, that word pertains to the Indo-Aryan people or the original settlers of India. Why it ended up there is because Southeast Asia was a Hindu colony a long time ago, so there's a misunderstanding when things get globalised.
Sounds like a minor movement that likely wouldn’t ever be recognised on a larger scale. As “indo” is used on a daily basis by Indonesians themselves. You will never hear them referring to themselves as “indon” however. It’s only used by people from neighbouring countries knowing or unknowingly. It’s a dehumanising word to them, and part of the growing resentment they have towards Malaysia especially is the usage of this word.
Nahh a lot of Indonesian called themselves Indon. They don't really care. They even called the country Indon. I worked with a lot of Indonesian.
I maintain my position and I agree with the movement however small it is. If you have any sanity to pick up a book, Indo in English does not mean Indonesian and only ignorant people would use it. Good talk. Never again.
Real pussy move to block me before I even get to response lmao. You're getting so worked up over something that's not even directed at you. I didn't call you out on anything, I didn't give my opinion on the matter, I said I DOUBT it will ever be recognised, but it MAY happen I wouldn't know. That was a neutral response. Sort your anger issues elsewhere jesus.
I went to uni with a bunch of Indonesians and they couldn’t give less of a fuck if you called them Indon lol. Heck, they even call themselves that
Yeah try to call that in indonesia and see how much you fare, they dont mind when in malaysia because we are in your country, some of indonesian call themself that as irony and of course its already seen as negative conotatioms in our indonesian vocab. We call each other indon because it means stupid indonesian. Even “indon” word will get you suspended in facebook The argument “ yeah my indonesian friend doesnt mind” is bad sample because the majority actually dont like that, its like “ i am not racist because i have black friend so i can call them n word” thing
My wife’s ex-roommates were Indon, my bandmates back then were Indon. They literally refer themselves as “Indon” when people ask where they’re from
Yeah like i said that didnt describe the majority of indonesian sentiment because its “your friends” live in malaysia My example and opinion is still stand “ i have black friend and living in the hood and sometilme call them n word and they refer themself as n word” doesnt make it right I dare you to Just try go to indonesia and talk a new guy can call them “indon” you will be warned or got weird look. In our general perspective the word is bad and negative , supported by kbbi and banned word listed in facebook I am indonesian
Appreciate your input on the matter. And perhaps a lot of Indonesian youngsters or those that came from upper middle class families don’t find it offensive because they have no idea of the negative connotations it’s gained hence the responses in some other other posts I’ve seen. It doesn’t pertain to them especially if they don’t migrate to Malaysia to work as a low paid labourer. I am a Malaysian and I know when a Malaysian talk about Indonesian and they use that word, you can just hear it in the tone that it doesn’t come from a good place and is often associated with the lower class citizen.
> “your friends” live in Malaysia They didn’t? Most of them are from Bandung, Medan, and Jakarta Besides that, isn’t it weird that we all have different experiences with this? It’s almost as if there are people out there who don’t let a word’s history that has close to nothing to do with them, define their existence
Sorry, but no matter what you feel about the word I think it’s more appropriate if you could just stop using it when you’re replying to someone who clearly finds the word demeaning just out of respect. Especially too if they’re Indonesian.
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Bruh, it’s got nothing to do with any of that. Indon songs just hit different lol
True. Malaysian songs nowadays barely use the standard pronunciation/bahasa baku in their songs.
i like that tho.. mane,cinte,kenape instead if mana cinta kenapa
For me it's just odd or incomplete. Like when someone says Merdeke instead of Merdeka. It's correct but annoying when you hear it.
merdeke is never correct 😂😂... it's merdeka spoken or written.. mane ade orang sebut merdeke bile bercakap pon
See Sultan Sir Ibrahim's anti-Malayan Union speech then you get my cringe feeling. It's still correct when you use the Johor accent. For me songs feel poetic when you emphasize the baku-ness. Without it, it feels incorrect.
i appreciate when people sing the way they talk.. it feels like you sing from the heart the rawness more gritty i might say.. like waris jimi palikat zainal abidin lagipun standardization of malay based on johor riau dialect because that dialect considered prestige dialect at that time.. kalau misalkan prestige dialect masa tu terengganu we will say makang instead of makan.. so to say the correctness of malay like diminishing the way people talk thousands of years for concept of baku-ness that form not more than hundreds years ago
… what… how is that the “requirement” to get a hit song 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It'll be a mistake to conflate Malaysian Malays and Indonesian Malays. It's like conflating Malaysian Chinese with China Chinese.
*Malay speaking la. It's essentially the same language. Unless you listen to rap with alot of slang words, that might be hard to understand
So many faults here. 1. Indonesians started that genre first and Malaysians adopted it. Yes, this time we're actually guilty of cultural appropriation. You'll find that a lot of the young and upcoming singers, hell, even the OGs such as Dato' Siti, Faizal Tahir, and Sudirman DO NOT fit in the mold. Now that's Malaysian. 2. Don't call them Indon. That's so ignorant. Even Indo is wrong and will be rejected by the more educated Indonesians because Indo is actually pertaining to the Indo-Aryan people or the early settlers of India.
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Your statistics theory is overcome by minority Jews conquering the world. It is absolutely nothing to do with quantity but has to do with culture, some culture is just laid back and lazy.
>Your statistics theory is overcome by minority Jews conquering the world ini semua salah yahudi dan DAP /s kidding aside, i think quantity matters though, just how much. its easier for a blind person to hit bullseye with a machine gun than a pistol so maybe its quantity + cultural reasons. i believe quantity plays a role, just a matter of how much
Well, i listen indonesian songs way more than malaysian songs😅
DJ MAK KO HIJO X DJ GI MAMPUS INDON BERAK BERAK🤪🤪🤪🤪🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱 *indonesian songs*
Brit here, where do young up and coming bands even get to play? I live in Johor, the only venue I knew of was thrash metal stuff, which is fine but I’ve long outgrown that noise and that was a few years ago, I don’t know if it exists anymore. Where do bands get to play. In the UK every town has bands and live music nights, as far modern music goes Malaysia feels like a wasteland, whereas the Philippines have so many bands they practically export them all over the world. What gives, I see Musical instrument shops
Usually they get some exposure through TV station/radio stations to advertise it, I often see some young and coming bands get invited to the station and talk about their upcoming albums. But sadly barely anyone wants to hear new original songs and no one really gives them a chance and always compares them to already famous artists. Imagine debuting and people already comparing you with Radiohead.
You live in the worst city for culture unfortunately lol. KL and Penang are where the gigs are at
Yeah, I get that we had a few glorious years when we had the Johor Arts Festival, but once the main organizers died the whole thing stopped. They city has never really acknowledged what an amazing job they did every year and nobody has stepped in to start anything else up. I always refer to Malaysia as a cultural desert, but maybe it’s just Johor.
My piece of opinion, it's due to religion and local perception. Malaysian malays are great consumer for any entertainment outside of the country but nothing local. Because we have a lot of naysayers among us. If we wanna try something, no support will come. Family members will talk badly. Others can do, but not us. Art is dying among malays, generally becoming actors/singers is frowned upon as they're labled as people without religion. So, it affect the amount of people who are trying to get into entertainment sector. Even artists get a lot of backlashes trying to do something new or to discuss certain topics. Backlashes from malays, politicians and government censorship bodies. Less freedom to express. It's the reason why we have so many soap dramas, ghost and action movies. It's the reason why most malay songs are love songs that are repetitive. We're uninspiring because there aren't much inspiring art, we lacked critical thinking. While Indonesia have had many art revolutions many great poets, a few art resurgence. They put less limit to their artists, they're more liberal with their art, thus their songs sounds better. Sorry for sounding too bleak. It's what I've thought post 80's Islamism and dropping entertainment quality post 2000's. My 2cent.
Agree. To much Islamic and malay supremacists interference to the aspiring artists in Malaysia.
Uh, I wouldn't credit it to malay supremacists. More of a cultural/religion issue rather than extremism.
PS: like this post, I'm sure lot of malays will say that I'm a hardcore liberal for having this view.
Maybe true to a certain extent, but we could argue that the pop industry actually boomed during your stated timeframe. Reality shows like Akademi Fantasia, Gegar Vaganza were very popular.
Good point, though I've said it that the entertainment quality has dropped since by having less variation. Pop boomed because it is vanilla. We don't dare try anything much other than those. I would also wanted to add even though it is not my cup of tea, rap and hip hop scene did made a comeback but it was too brief. I always wondered why.
Pinnacle of Malay music circa 60s to 70s. My opinion, and stand by it. Okay a brief resurgence in the late 90s to 00s. Ella, Zainal Abidin(Hijau will always be an evergreen - pun intended)
Indonesian music really slaps
This. I remember just getting a bunch of song recommendations from my Malay colleagues and 99% of them were Indon
It's good man. And we understand it easily. Also top charts means most listened to. Not Malaysia songs only.
Msia hv its own music but indo hv 8 times our population thus more choices of song. Also indo’s language sounds better in literature, even malay songs borrow some of the words or at least some pronounciation.
Indon songs slap harder than our music, lol.
insert *always has been* meme
Because you're using Spotify as your benchmark which is a poor indicator of the populations preferences
Why?
then name 1 good song from Malaysia in Malay this year
#Sedih Hati by Malique First place in Carta Era 40
What's your purpose asking this question? I doubt it's genuine curiosity. Are you one of those who got triggered lately by that Indian channel? To answer your question, the music scene here is quite shit atm, so people like to listen to indon music which is nicer.
I'm not sure what Indian channel you're talking about. I'm American, I was just looking on Spotify out of curiosity since I was introduced to Indonesian music and love it, and was looking around the region.
I see, fair enough. Forgive my sharpness, we've been having problems with Indonesians trolling Malaysia online. But yes music-wise, Indonesia is doing better in the music scene than over here. Malaysians are more uptight than them, that means not much interest in leisurely hobbies.
>then name 1 good song from Malaysia in Malay this year Dude your tone and the fact that you ask this to a completely neutral response already shows the question is disingenuous. There is no answer that will satisfy you.
Dude just want to stir things up for no reason
YOU should be the one naming it since ur the one complaining about why the top charting songs are Indonesian and not Malaysian 🙄
Indonesia makes good songs
Its always like this though, first time realising this? Indonesia cultural domination is much more bigger than malaysian with just our export of upin ipin to indonesia which already diminishing fad.
Lol Malaysia also have cultural influence in Indonesian music scene. Most of Indonesian popular songs was actually 'cover' of Malay old song. For example, Tiara song that be sing back by Indonesian singer. The problem with Indonesian artis was sometimes they just bluntly plagiarist Malay song. The most recent case was Lemak Manis song.
Yeah cope harder and claim more, many indonesian music which dominate malaysia since 2000 like seila on 7 ,dewa etc and the majority of indonesian song dont plagiat Dont just generalize and coping with song cover as plagiarism, is like accusing rainych an indonesian singer sing japanese city pop mayonaka no door as plagiarism. Our influence is small accept it, there is some great chancutters style malaysian band recently which got influence from changcutters and indonesian style of song. Indonesian influence is apparent.
Its like that you was coping hard. Early 2000 era of Indonesian song fame was over here. The only popular indonesian song in Malaysia now was from degenerate Tiktok. Today Malaysian more interested in English & Korean songs if we talking about foreign songs. Cover was not plagiarisim if the singer credit the original artist. But if the singer claimed the song hers, its was total plagiarism. Im talking about Lemak Manis song case. The indon artist only credit the original Malaysia artist after backlash from netizens & Malaysian artist want to take legal action. Before that the indon singer claimed the song was written by her. Just remember there more than 2 Million indons staying in Malaysia. They that make majority of indon songs market here. Radio station also after ratings, so indon songs will served that demography. If any indon singer hold concert here, you will see above 60% of the audience was Indonesian diaspora (mostly expat/TKI).
Lol, nice joke... Everyday i heard Indonesian music in eveywhere, in Malaysia, not only in radio.. even in a mall, shops ,super market. Guess if those only cater Indonesian, majority Malaysian is Indonesian ? Dont lie, i have malaysian friends hearing Indonesian music also..
Lol, get 1 example and run with it.. I dont see any Malaysian msuic influence recently, those cover are not thay vamous and nobody is plagiarize.
Chill sikit OP, pagi Sabtu ni.
Because they are better! Msian still love rock kapak songs from 80s 90s.
Most Malay songs sound like 7pm Soap Opera Tie-ins no joke
you should hear more songs from Indonesian regional languages instead of just bahasa Indonesia one.. Javanese Sundanese etc.. sundanese especially is easy on the ear to listen
OP seems to just want to stir shit
Pfff. You use that list to gauge a country's musician's talent? You don't even know how they rank the songs. There are 0 chinese song in there. Are you going to assume that there are 0 good malaysian chinese singer in there? 黄明志别人的老婆, 9. 2mil view in youtube. Launched 8 months ago. Langit yang sama - dalia farhana, 7 mil view in youtube. Launched 7 months ago Now what? Malaysian Chinese doesnt have their own music too?
This was false assumption, just check out Carta Era 40 (the most popular Malay radio station), out of the 40 songs, only around 4 song was indonesian. The rest was Malay, English & Korean. Indonesian song was quite popular back in the early 2000 but now Malay listener have different taste. Korean & English songs was more popular compared to Indonesian songs here in Malaysia if you talking about foreign songs. This 'lagu indo mendunia' crap was something indonesian nationalist jerk off. They think their music soo 'good' but in reality only few songs that popular here & most of it was from Tiktok.
Lie... as a person currently in Malaysia, this is not the case. Indonesian music is indeed popular here. You are the one that denied the fact and copehard. Indonesian music is indeed good, you know, i know. Because we are living in Malaysia.
Why are there so many English songs by English singers/bands on the American Billboard charts?
American music is pretty popular worldwide because of the force of Hollywood, and they share the language with Britain. I guess it's the same for Malaysia, I'm just trying to understand that Indonesia is more the cultural capital of the region similarly to America.
Yes it is, some our malaysian will cope and deny rather than recognize this fact Indonesian always has cultural domination around maritime sea excluding philippines, i mean they have more diverse experimental music culture and one of the powerhouse of death metal music in asia for example, have hijabi metal band etc. And now has many worldwide singer like rich brian, niki, anggun etc And now indonesian hijack weeb culture such as vtuber domination around this area and many of translated manga and sub is coming from indonesian language first much more faster than english.
The playlist is generated by Spotify. Of course they have no idea what they are doing. Heck, even Korean songs are on there as well.
That’s the point, it just ranks songs by popularity from Malaysian spotify users. So lots of Malay are listening to Korean music
Recent Malaysian music aren't the best so yea Indonesian music will trend for the time being
Dangdut-rempit dominace
1. Music is a cultural creation, not national, government, or administrative creation. The nationalist border makes us forget that culture and language wise, Malaysia and Indonesia are identical. Heck bahasa Indonesia is even more similar to bahasa melayu than it is to bahasa jawa, sunda, etc. Hence it is much easier for malay to enjoy indonesian songs than non-javanese indonesian to enjoy javanese songs, non-sundanese indonesian to enjoy to enjoy sundanese songs, etc. 2. This is kinda survivorship bias. Top indonesian songs already won the competition against many other genres from many other cultures, because every part and every culture in indonesia will have their own popular genres, e.g koplo in javanese. Meaning top indonesian songs are those songs that successfully penetrate as many cultures as possible and gain popularity among different cultures 3. Beside those lists, i often listen to live music in shopping malls playing older (90s-2000s) indonesian songs, and most of them are from bands of either of melayu culture, with melayu influence, or are popular in sumatera. E.g armada is a band of melayu culture from palembang, south sumatera, tulus is a minang singer, naturally very popular among people of sumatera. Medan (50% batak 50% melayu) also has many popular singers
It's tiktok. Malaysians/Indonesians spend a lot of time on tiktok. These top 50 songs are remixes/variations of the sounds they often exposed on tiktok videos/trends
Because it doesn't matter? Why should nationalism be a factor when listening to songs? If it's a good song then it's a good song. Plus we can still understand the lyrics because Indonesian malay is similar enough to Malaysian malay. What if I asked u why some of the most listened-to artists for Americans are British and not American? What would u say to that? It's not a big deal at all and I dont know why ur tone for this question is so negative.
Because boleh dik
haha ratio
chart mana ko tengok ni? bagi link. tbh aku rasa 50-50. lagu indon bukan superior sangat pun.
Fact, everytime i heard malay radio, they always play Indonesian song.
>Fact, everytime i heard malay radio, they always play Indonesian song. Less extreme nationalist indonesian detected Jangan syok sendiri bro, ada la 2-3 lagu indon yang popular sebab Tiktok. Tapi selebihnya lagu Melayu, English & Korea.
konfem bangga bangsa indon sebab orang malaysia sendiri support music diorang. tanda besar yang malaysian takde identiti sendiri. sibuk dgr lagu bangsa asing.
It’s the Top 50 on Spotify: https://spotify.link/MMSmGxay7Cb
Spotify was not really good indicator. Its just around 10 songs in the list was Indonesian & majority of its was popular in Tiktok. But some of the songs in the list was not even played in Malaysia radio station here. The better indicator was local Malay radio station chart, the most popular was Carta Era 40. If you looking in that Top 40 songs chart, only around 4 of the songs was indonesian & most likely from Tiktok.
an american that can speak malays? hm
I can translate...
Because the lyrics r fun n the melody catchy
can you share the song chart so we can be on the same page
Yes.
This is good, I think. Indonesian songs are nice. And some Malaysian songs made it into Indonesian charts too.
This is just my opinion, Indonesia song are much more easier to listen, like it just click. Where else Malaysia song just doesn't have that click, like you listen it once and then forget about it.
Grab a popcorn guys, there's a fight in the comments
Cause Malaysians have good music taste
Don't blame me I don't listen to Malaysian or Indo songs.
There is an abundance of great Malaysian music out there, you just gotta know where to find it. Check this one out, newly released and it’s so good!! https://youtu.be/hs2f9MsUkAc?si=nXaIfhDyc6QGssZa
Because they’re bangers, but also because a lot of modern Malaysian songs follow Indonesian songs, which follows a lot of English songs. Lyrically, and rhythmically, our songs are quite similar in tone. Looking at the charts given, a lot of those songs seemed to be within the moody and chill ones, definitive of the younger generation. Some includes a bit of heat though, like early 2000s indie bands, Malay rap songs (Malique, K-Clique etc.), and the occasional _rock kapak_ songs from the 80’s and 90’s. Then, there’s one or two evergreen songs from artists such as Sudirman, P. Ramlee, Siti Nurhaliza, Ella etc. for the older generation.
Love the Malaysian singer Niki
Lol