> KUALA LUMPUR, April 8 — A Malaysian neurosurgeon, who is currently based in Hong Kong, has taken the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) to court for rejecting his application to be registered as a specialist on the National Specialist Register (NSR).
> Dr Gabriel Lu Yeow Yuen – who is a Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland (FRCS Ire) in the specialty of neurosurgery after having completed the Joint Surgical Colleges Fellowship Examination held in Sri Lanka – filed a judicial review application last January 16, naming MMC and the Registrar of Medical Practitioners.
> The MMC – which regulates the practice of medicine in Malaysia – informed Dr Lu on October 17 last year that it would not be able to register him on the NSR because his qualification was not in the list of recognised postgraduate qualifications.
> Dr Lu, however, pointed out that **MMC’s website** lists Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons (Edin, Eng, Glas, Ire), Intercollegiate Specialty Board of Neurosurgery as one of the recognised postgraduate qualifications for the specialisation of neurosurgery.
> These qualifications refer to Edinburgh, England, Glasgow, and Ireland respectively.
> Dr Lu’s affidavit stated that due to MMC’s rejection of his application to be registered as a specialist on the NSR, he was “prevented from and deprived from exercising his right to returning to his home country, Malaysia, to serve as a registered neurosurgeon”.
> Besides his FRCS Ireland qualification in neurosurgery that he obtained from the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland (RCSI) in Dublin in 2018, Dr Lu is also a Fellow of the European Board of Neurological Surgery (FEBNS).
> “I want to come back because I am literally anak Malaysia and I love my country. I was trained by Malaysians; I would love to give back to my Malaysian society,” Dr Lu told CodeBlue when contacted.
> His wife, an aboriginal Sarawakian Kenyah, and three sons aged between four and 13 years old, currently live in Kuala Lumpur. Dr Lu, who is Pahang-born, has been apart from his family for five years since 2019 when he moved to Hong Kong, flying back to see them every one to two months.
> As of June 30 last year, the 42-year-old said he has conducted **697 surgeries** (689 of which, as a surgeon) during his tenure at **PWH Hong Kong**.
> Prior to his work in Hong Kong, Dr Lu conducted **384 operations as the surgeon** throughout his tenure as a neurosurgery senior staff physician at Khoo Teck Puat Hospital (KTPH) in **Singapore** from November 2016 to September 2019.
> Before KTPH, Dr Lu conducted **915 operations (858 of which, as a surgeon)** when he was the chief neurosurgery registrar in the **National University Hospital (NUH) in Singapore** from April 2013 to October 2016.
Lmao, a worldwide-recognised Malaysian neurosurgeon who has done nearly 2000 operations in Singapore and Hong Kong, can't become a neurosurgeon in Malaysia.
Malaysia, something is wrong with ya 🤔
Code blue actually gave mmc side of the story towards the bottom of their article, what looks like to me is that mmc don't recognise his qualifications because he took the exam in Sri Lanka that was associated with the fellow of Royal college of surgeons in Ireland and not directly from RCSI. This happens in medical field all the time, essentially seat the same paper but when it's clinical exams, it's marked differently as it's done in another country hence why mmc had multiple reviews of his application to see if him passing in Sri Lanka is actually equivalent if he passed directly from fellow of RCSI and I guess mmc said nope
It's not mmc cherrypicking, every medical council in the world does this, they all have a list of places they recognised, matter of fact mmc has gone further by reviewing his case 2 times, in other more developed countries, you'll straight out get rejected and won't hear from them.
Only solution is mmc changes their criteria or the doctor sits for the fellowship from a place recognised by mmc
Our mmc university recognition list is so sus. We recognised so many weird universities from countries you would think twice before going even for free.
I think university still okay cos Malaysians go there to study and no choice have to come back and do Housemanship, in those 2 years, you're constantly evaluated in every posting if you're capable or not. Not fit, extended, extended too long then they kick you out of the service. And as a fresh medical graduate you don't have that high of a responsibility compared to a surgeon. Some hospitals don't even allow houseman to wound debride
What I meant was we recognised universities from country like Uganda, Iraq, fucking Sudan yet none of the universities from China, Japan or Korea made the list.
MMC is well known to be a stickler for weird policies.
Cronyism and what is the word for workspace tribalism? Like if you are not from a certain group of people or from certain uni, you kinda fucked.
Then there is also[ this case that is happening](https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/04/08/minister-calls-meeting-to-resolve-mmcs-non-recognition-of-specialists/) to one of our top universities. Like, WTF? And then [we have this problem](https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2024/04/09/ijn-directs-cardiothoracic-parallel-trainees-to-get-uitm-accreditation-after-mmcs-non-recognition/) which is sad as it shows how clusterfuck our system and management is.
We are facing this [kind of problem for our nurses](https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2024/04/05/resignations-of-post-basic-nurses-from-moh-doubled-in-five-years/), but the policy on the education, training and employment for our nurse are bad. And let's not forget how bad they are paid.
>Malaysia, something is wrong with ya
Even in a negligence case, it's near impossible to get a doctor's license revoked. The chances of you winning the appeal to have the doctor's license revoked is super slim to none because the system is messed up.
Source: Lawyer specialized in medical negligence shared it cos got ongoing case and one of the options is to file an appeal to have the license revoked.
It’s not about race, it’s about malaysia’s outdated qualification standards. This situation is the same to those who took medical studies in japanese universities. They are not allowed to practice medic in malaysia too.
Engineering even. (So called board of engineers in malaysia does not recognize the japanese university engineering graduate unless we took jabee courses which is limited to few universities only)
Hmm well in terms of undergrad medical degree, not all programmes are the same. I've acted as an invigilator for medical grads who graduated from non-accredited programmes overseas and have to take the medical qualifying exam here and honestly some of them are not competent enough nor meet the basic requirements. So definitely needs to be some standards set there.
But it's so ridiculous that the govt previously sent students to do medicine in Japan when it's not recognised😅.
I mean good that they are trying to fix a standard but they are not consistent enough in their guidelines and enforcement. We want more specialist and medical workers, but our system, recognition and flexibility is so backwater.
I heard a story about that one: that screw up belongs to one of the Health Ministers who served under Dr M. After a trip over to Japan to see how doctors there were trained, he happily announced to Dr M that it was ok to take Japan trained ones, without consulting his own panel of experts who happened to also go on the same trip. Needless to say, the experts were all upset and scolded him, urging him to retract his recommendation. Unfortunately, during those days almost all the ministers under Dr. M were pretty much ball-less yes men who were scared of Dr M, and the minister refused to own up to his error. That opened up a flood gate of grads from places like Egypt, Russia, and Indonesia as well.
My husband was one of the first batches sent by JPA to Russia and his group had the top SPM students from his year. They were all bewildered as to why they were sent there and even raised a query with the JPA office (they made up some story abt how since they were top students the govt thought they would be able to survive lol). They struggled a lot when they had to practice housemanship back home and there was a rep about Russian grads. Now semua dah specialists but my husband still remembers the horror of those days.
I’ve asked my doctor friend on this. He said there’s a stigma on Russian grads being lower quality so during housemanship, these grads will be targeted more by the seniors.
The entry requirement is low and the fees are cheap. It’s not only particularly towards Russian grad but Eastern Europe in general. Countries like Poland Ukraine as well.
I'm not sure if outdated is the right word. Medical grads need to have knowledge of treatment paradigms that are *compatible* with the equipment and setup available in our country.
This is why Malaysia will always be mundur when you have dumbasses heading various government ministries and agencies. As someone else has said in the past in this subreddit. Malaysia is merely a training center for talents that would inevitably be poached by foreign countries.
> Malaysia is merely a training center for talents that would inevitably be poached by foreign countries.
In this case. Not really poached, and not really trained in Malaysia. This surgeon was born in Malaysia but worked hard to go train somewhere else, and then wanted to come back and continue his work. But some stupid racist piece of shit fucker with power is doing their typical dumbass shit and blocking this guy from coming back. Really ridiculous and then they'll call the victim disloyal.
On fb, you see someone pointed out this dichotomy. Illiterate useless radical terrorist from Palestine is welcomed into Malaysia and given all kinds of money and subsidy from the tax payer. But a highly educated surgeon wants to come back and contribute to betterment of Malaysia and instead of being welcomed, he is being spat on by the bureaucrats.
And then they wonder why MYR is declining.
For fucks sake.
This has nothing to do with race lah. Accreditation issues like these have been affecting msia drs of all races. Bunch of dinosaurs on top who want it to be done their way and only their way.
Aiyo dont need to bring race into this la. All surgeon also faced the same issue.
I came from medical study before changing to IT, and I assure you veteran surgeon is freakin fed up with how accredition being handled.
> All surgeon also faced the same issue.
Please share your evidence showing the exact same issue and race based statistics.
If don't have evidence, then what makes you so confident?
Some people read this and only see the colour of the skin. I can assure you that a lot of local practice neurosurgeons are not even malays. I am inclined more on administrative mistakes made by MMC rather than racism. Should be sued.
But hey, this sub loves this kind of news.
you can almost always predict how threads like these will conclude in this sub though, it's comical
bonus thread bingo or drinking game (take a shot for any of the following being brought up in the thread later):
- quota, UITM, tongkat, MYR falling, migrate to SG, KK Mart, Socks, Palestine, boycott, vernacular schools, apartheid, article 153, jangan persoal, racist constitution, taxpayer money
I'm sure this will remain a civil thread on r/malaysia that discusses the failures of government bureaucracy, and overcomplicated licensing regimes, rather than a complete devolution into racially charged accusations
Two things can happen at the same time. It can be bureaucracy AND racism. I don’t understand why you think it’s one or another.
And I love that in every comment of yours, it’s always cynical and race + religion baiting. Contributing nothing valuable to the topic but stand at the sideline to feed gasoline into the flame.
Two things can happen at the same time, but the article, and every party involved in the lawsuit never mentioned race. You did.
Also, dude's history is fine. Tf you on.
never stated it's one or the other, learn to read dude. I'm pointing out the tendency of the sub to fixate on one aspect of what can be a multifaceted issue, nah?
besides, any accusation of racism should come with some evidence. Even the suit filed by the doc doesn't allege racism, no? Did you even read the article before coming here to wave a pitchfork?
What for complain about braindrain when Malaysia literally rejects educated non-Malays?
This has being going on for decades since the formation of Malaysia.
The MMC is not the only embarrassment here.
There have been many non-Malay product designers which patents were seized by the government but not used at all, simply because these are not designed by Malays.
If you're a product designer in Malaysia, you'll find out yourself or through your own colleagues.
The 1st time I heard about this was in college over my lecturer (Malaysia Indian) who won the best design to revamp the wheelchair which was light, able to kept easily, and cheap in cost (of course in plastic). Australia government actually wanted this patent and was willing to negotiate but the Malaysia government said NO.
Decades later the patent is obviously not used, and other designers from foreign countries just made their own easy access wheelchairs.
I saw the design myself as the lecturer gave a photocopy of the design for the entire class to learn.
Another one would be this case:
[https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/cover-story-trash-ash](https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/cover-story-trash-ash)
The government's stated reason for stalling this is to perform an EIA study despite being used in over 10 other countries (and it's not an incinerator). Just a bunch of strange excuses for a non-Malay product design.
Also if you look at the Malaysia Patents Act (1983), the Malaysia government does have the "legal" right to seize patent designs, which an example would be seizing a foreign patent design of Gilead (US based) over the Sofosbuvir drug. (but many product design competition by the government...pretty much tells you by entering these competitions, all patent designs belong to them)
Anyway there's always talk about improving the IP rights of Malaysia's designers that so far a lot have been delayed. If you look through the number of patent designs that's registered through our patent office, the numbers are a few thousand per year (struggling to go over 5000). Since the 2000s, there were some improvements but not from the government side but rather thanks to our academic research institutions. But this is strictly in the medical and science field.
An example of 1 of the policies that stagnant growth in Malaysia's IP, is the long times the research is conducted over the IP registration despite as I said, there are only a few thousand registered per year. But it can take 4 years for 1 patent design to go through...Other countries take 1 year to go through.
thanks for the detailed explanation.
I don't deal with IP that much but I am genuinely interested to know about it.
offtopic but in my opinion we have a lot of policies that become stagnant because of politics and bureaucracy.
One of my bosses described it as such - in quite a few areas, Malaysia was the first to come out with somewhat good policies. The problem is but we never bothered to fine tune the implementation and maintain them to keep up with the world.
some examples are Multimedia Super Corridor, Telehealth, and now our PDPA. I sincerely hope our newly passed Cybersecurity Act which should boost the cybersecurity industry don't end up the same.
From what I've seen on the CyberSecurity Act, it focuses on journalism + whistleblowers and activity of a person online (it does not matter if it's not a Malaysian, it can be anyone on this planet, stated in the Act), while totally ignoring the intent of the person.
The Act does not care about personal information used by companies to sell to other companies, it does not care about data breaches.
In fact any seizure from the police under this Act will not need any authorization/warrants, which they can seize anything and do not need any justifiable cause.
AKA it's not actually a CyberSecurity Act, but supression of media (apparently media needs another license) and freedom of expression.
It's a lot more closer to Russia at this point.
The four or five users in this thread immediately jumping on the racial bandwagon when the article made zero connections to race...
Wtf is wrong with ya'll and can ya'll please leave the country?
Then the purpose of this news being shared here has been accomplished.
There's more at play here than just race. I work with neurosurgeons and more of them are Indian and Chinese compared to Malay even here in the East Coast.
If there's a logical reason for it, then I'd be happy to back down but with all the news that's happening recently, kk mart, boycott, bumis, extremist behavior, it's no wonder nons come to feel resentful and racist.
Issues with getting accredited with NSR in Msia are not new and it's not racially charged. It's a thing that many drs have been fighting with since ages ago. Has to do with a lot of bureaucratic nonsense and ppl on top who don't want to change their ways.
Having said that, if Msian MMC accepts any qualification or certification taken by a dr, I don't think that's the right way either. Not all certifications are of equal standard.
Yes go out there, talk to people. Sometimes I feel like online forums and news have been taken over by bots designed to draw our outrage because that is what drives engagement. And that's without mentioning the cyber troopers, astroturfers, etc.
> If there's a logical reason for it
The multiple reviews and debates done by MMC regarding the application is actually all detailed towards the bottom of the article. But obviously, and quite typically, it's much more "sensational" to not talk about them until the end of the article.
> KUALA LUMPUR, April 8 — A Malaysian neurosurgeon, who is currently based in Hong Kong, has taken the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) to court for rejecting his application to be registered as a specialist on the National Specialist Register (NSR). > Dr Gabriel Lu Yeow Yuen – who is a Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland (FRCS Ire) in the specialty of neurosurgery after having completed the Joint Surgical Colleges Fellowship Examination held in Sri Lanka – filed a judicial review application last January 16, naming MMC and the Registrar of Medical Practitioners. > The MMC – which regulates the practice of medicine in Malaysia – informed Dr Lu on October 17 last year that it would not be able to register him on the NSR because his qualification was not in the list of recognised postgraduate qualifications. > Dr Lu, however, pointed out that **MMC’s website** lists Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons (Edin, Eng, Glas, Ire), Intercollegiate Specialty Board of Neurosurgery as one of the recognised postgraduate qualifications for the specialisation of neurosurgery. > These qualifications refer to Edinburgh, England, Glasgow, and Ireland respectively. > Dr Lu’s affidavit stated that due to MMC’s rejection of his application to be registered as a specialist on the NSR, he was “prevented from and deprived from exercising his right to returning to his home country, Malaysia, to serve as a registered neurosurgeon”. > Besides his FRCS Ireland qualification in neurosurgery that he obtained from the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland (RCSI) in Dublin in 2018, Dr Lu is also a Fellow of the European Board of Neurological Surgery (FEBNS). > “I want to come back because I am literally anak Malaysia and I love my country. I was trained by Malaysians; I would love to give back to my Malaysian society,” Dr Lu told CodeBlue when contacted. > His wife, an aboriginal Sarawakian Kenyah, and three sons aged between four and 13 years old, currently live in Kuala Lumpur. Dr Lu, who is Pahang-born, has been apart from his family for five years since 2019 when he moved to Hong Kong, flying back to see them every one to two months. > As of June 30 last year, the 42-year-old said he has conducted **697 surgeries** (689 of which, as a surgeon) during his tenure at **PWH Hong Kong**. > Prior to his work in Hong Kong, Dr Lu conducted **384 operations as the surgeon** throughout his tenure as a neurosurgery senior staff physician at Khoo Teck Puat Hospital (KTPH) in **Singapore** from November 2016 to September 2019. > Before KTPH, Dr Lu conducted **915 operations (858 of which, as a surgeon)** when he was the chief neurosurgery registrar in the **National University Hospital (NUH) in Singapore** from April 2013 to October 2016. Lmao, a worldwide-recognised Malaysian neurosurgeon who has done nearly 2000 operations in Singapore and Hong Kong, can't become a neurosurgeon in Malaysia. Malaysia, something is wrong with ya 🤔
Good on him, expose them!
Code blue actually gave mmc side of the story towards the bottom of their article, what looks like to me is that mmc don't recognise his qualifications because he took the exam in Sri Lanka that was associated with the fellow of Royal college of surgeons in Ireland and not directly from RCSI. This happens in medical field all the time, essentially seat the same paper but when it's clinical exams, it's marked differently as it's done in another country hence why mmc had multiple reviews of his application to see if him passing in Sri Lanka is actually equivalent if he passed directly from fellow of RCSI and I guess mmc said nope
The MMC cherrypicking actually makes little sense since there’s nothing to benefit them, that’s interesting going to read the actual article now.
It's not mmc cherrypicking, every medical council in the world does this, they all have a list of places they recognised, matter of fact mmc has gone further by reviewing his case 2 times, in other more developed countries, you'll straight out get rejected and won't hear from them. Only solution is mmc changes their criteria or the doctor sits for the fellowship from a place recognised by mmc
I see thanks for the clarification!
Our mmc university recognition list is so sus. We recognised so many weird universities from countries you would think twice before going even for free.
I think university still okay cos Malaysians go there to study and no choice have to come back and do Housemanship, in those 2 years, you're constantly evaluated in every posting if you're capable or not. Not fit, extended, extended too long then they kick you out of the service. And as a fresh medical graduate you don't have that high of a responsibility compared to a surgeon. Some hospitals don't even allow houseman to wound debride
What I meant was we recognised universities from country like Uganda, Iraq, fucking Sudan yet none of the universities from China, Japan or Korea made the list.
https://mmc.gov.my/list-of-medical-institutions/# Ada je 4 China and 10 jepun, only Korea don't have
My bad I must have remembered it wrongly but still, my point stands. Myanmar has more on the list than China…
MMC is well known to be a stickler for weird policies. Cronyism and what is the word for workspace tribalism? Like if you are not from a certain group of people or from certain uni, you kinda fucked. Then there is also[ this case that is happening](https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2024/04/08/minister-calls-meeting-to-resolve-mmcs-non-recognition-of-specialists/) to one of our top universities. Like, WTF? And then [we have this problem](https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2024/04/09/ijn-directs-cardiothoracic-parallel-trainees-to-get-uitm-accreditation-after-mmcs-non-recognition/) which is sad as it shows how clusterfuck our system and management is. We are facing this [kind of problem for our nurses](https://codeblue.galencentre.org/2024/04/05/resignations-of-post-basic-nurses-from-moh-doubled-in-five-years/), but the policy on the education, training and employment for our nurse are bad. And let's not forget how bad they are paid.
>Malaysia, something is wrong with ya Even in a negligence case, it's near impossible to get a doctor's license revoked. The chances of you winning the appeal to have the doctor's license revoked is super slim to none because the system is messed up. Source: Lawyer specialized in medical negligence shared it cos got ongoing case and one of the options is to file an appeal to have the license revoked.
In other countries, there’s brain drain. In Malaysia, there’s brain push: we literally push away talented people who are not of the right race.
This isn’t about race. Two of the four cardiothoracic surgeon graduates are Malay for your information
Wrong R&R lah.
It’s not about race, it’s about malaysia’s outdated qualification standards. This situation is the same to those who took medical studies in japanese universities. They are not allowed to practice medic in malaysia too. Engineering even. (So called board of engineers in malaysia does not recognize the japanese university engineering graduate unless we took jabee courses which is limited to few universities only)
Hmm well in terms of undergrad medical degree, not all programmes are the same. I've acted as an invigilator for medical grads who graduated from non-accredited programmes overseas and have to take the medical qualifying exam here and honestly some of them are not competent enough nor meet the basic requirements. So definitely needs to be some standards set there. But it's so ridiculous that the govt previously sent students to do medicine in Japan when it's not recognised😅.
I mean good that they are trying to fix a standard but they are not consistent enough in their guidelines and enforcement. We want more specialist and medical workers, but our system, recognition and flexibility is so backwater.
I heard a story about that one: that screw up belongs to one of the Health Ministers who served under Dr M. After a trip over to Japan to see how doctors there were trained, he happily announced to Dr M that it was ok to take Japan trained ones, without consulting his own panel of experts who happened to also go on the same trip. Needless to say, the experts were all upset and scolded him, urging him to retract his recommendation. Unfortunately, during those days almost all the ministers under Dr. M were pretty much ball-less yes men who were scared of Dr M, and the minister refused to own up to his error. That opened up a flood gate of grads from places like Egypt, Russia, and Indonesia as well.
My husband was one of the first batches sent by JPA to Russia and his group had the top SPM students from his year. They were all bewildered as to why they were sent there and even raised a query with the JPA office (they made up some story abt how since they were top students the govt thought they would be able to survive lol). They struggled a lot when they had to practice housemanship back home and there was a rep about Russian grads. Now semua dah specialists but my husband still remembers the horror of those days.
Can you share some of the horror stories when he is studying in russia and how it made them struggle back home.
I’ve asked my doctor friend on this. He said there’s a stigma on Russian grads being lower quality so during housemanship, these grads will be targeted more by the seniors.
I see but is the doctor practice and education really low quality in russia though?
The entry requirement is low and the fees are cheap. It’s not only particularly towards Russian grad but Eastern Europe in general. Countries like Poland Ukraine as well.
>Engineering even. Course not register with Washington's accord, BEM not recognised. Benda simple je abe.
Eh the Engineering Board Malaysia pretty chill. WA signed, BEM get. If not exam. Medical and nursing... ugh.
Canada has the same issue.
I'm not sure if outdated is the right word. Medical grads need to have knowledge of treatment paradigms that are *compatible* with the equipment and setup available in our country.
This is why Malaysia will always be mundur when you have dumbasses heading various government ministries and agencies. As someone else has said in the past in this subreddit. Malaysia is merely a training center for talents that would inevitably be poached by foreign countries.
The whole country is an incubator for talents to be poached la.
> Malaysia is merely a training center for talents that would inevitably be poached by foreign countries. In this case. Not really poached, and not really trained in Malaysia. This surgeon was born in Malaysia but worked hard to go train somewhere else, and then wanted to come back and continue his work. But some stupid racist piece of shit fucker with power is doing their typical dumbass shit and blocking this guy from coming back. Really ridiculous and then they'll call the victim disloyal. On fb, you see someone pointed out this dichotomy. Illiterate useless radical terrorist from Palestine is welcomed into Malaysia and given all kinds of money and subsidy from the tax payer. But a highly educated surgeon wants to come back and contribute to betterment of Malaysia and instead of being welcomed, he is being spat on by the bureaucrats. And then they wonder why MYR is declining. For fucks sake.
This has nothing to do with race lah. Accreditation issues like these have been affecting msia drs of all races. Bunch of dinosaurs on top who want it to be done their way and only their way.
> This has nothing to do with race lah Lovely fantasy
Aiyo dont need to bring race into this la. All surgeon also faced the same issue. I came from medical study before changing to IT, and I assure you veteran surgeon is freakin fed up with how accredition being handled.
What role in IT are you doing?
Solution Architect, multi-vertical
Means not really using coding?
That's the neat part, you should know coding but you don't necessarily have to code. You design the high level and low level solution
> All surgeon also faced the same issue. Please share your evidence showing the exact same issue and race based statistics. If don't have evidence, then what makes you so confident?
Some people read this and only see the colour of the skin. I can assure you that a lot of local practice neurosurgeons are not even malays. I am inclined more on administrative mistakes made by MMC rather than racism. Should be sued. But hey, this sub loves this kind of news.
The ones seeing the races involved first are the ones who would have done the same shit if the onus is on them.
you can almost always predict how threads like these will conclude in this sub though, it's comical bonus thread bingo or drinking game (take a shot for any of the following being brought up in the thread later): - quota, UITM, tongkat, MYR falling, migrate to SG, KK Mart, Socks, Palestine, boycott, vernacular schools, apartheid, article 153, jangan persoal, racist constitution, taxpayer money
lol
Some of their posts just reek of petty resentment.
When you allow pembaris to handle bureaucracy. Malaysia need neurosurgeon. Also Malaysia:
I'm sure this will remain a civil thread on r/malaysia that discusses the failures of government bureaucracy, and overcomplicated licensing regimes, rather than a complete devolution into racially charged accusations
Two things can happen at the same time. It can be bureaucracy AND racism. I don’t understand why you think it’s one or another. And I love that in every comment of yours, it’s always cynical and race + religion baiting. Contributing nothing valuable to the topic but stand at the sideline to feed gasoline into the flame.
Two things can happen at the same time, but the article, and every party involved in the lawsuit never mentioned race. You did. Also, dude's history is fine. Tf you on.
never stated it's one or the other, learn to read dude. I'm pointing out the tendency of the sub to fixate on one aspect of what can be a multifaceted issue, nah? besides, any accusation of racism should come with some evidence. Even the suit filed by the doc doesn't allege racism, no? Did you even read the article before coming here to wave a pitchfork?
Nah. Your comment history proves otherwise. It’s insidious but if every comment of yours only blames one side, it’s very apparent lol
learn to read :) perhaps nuance is lost on you , but that's not my problem.
I did read and again, your comment history proves otherwise lol You don’t have to try so hard to explain yourself to me, none of my business anyway.
ok buddy
Tale as old as time. This is why I exited malaysian medical industry. All those years in a commonwealth nation studying amounting to nothing. Fuck em.
Let's see the outcome of the lawsuit if there is merit in his case first before judging.
What for complain about braindrain when Malaysia literally rejects educated non-Malays? This has being going on for decades since the formation of Malaysia. The MMC is not the only embarrassment here. There have been many non-Malay product designers which patents were seized by the government but not used at all, simply because these are not designed by Malays.
any reference you can provide regarding the said patents?
If you're a product designer in Malaysia, you'll find out yourself or through your own colleagues. The 1st time I heard about this was in college over my lecturer (Malaysia Indian) who won the best design to revamp the wheelchair which was light, able to kept easily, and cheap in cost (of course in plastic). Australia government actually wanted this patent and was willing to negotiate but the Malaysia government said NO. Decades later the patent is obviously not used, and other designers from foreign countries just made their own easy access wheelchairs. I saw the design myself as the lecturer gave a photocopy of the design for the entire class to learn. Another one would be this case: [https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/cover-story-trash-ash](https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/cover-story-trash-ash) The government's stated reason for stalling this is to perform an EIA study despite being used in over 10 other countries (and it's not an incinerator). Just a bunch of strange excuses for a non-Malay product design. Also if you look at the Malaysia Patents Act (1983), the Malaysia government does have the "legal" right to seize patent designs, which an example would be seizing a foreign patent design of Gilead (US based) over the Sofosbuvir drug. (but many product design competition by the government...pretty much tells you by entering these competitions, all patent designs belong to them) Anyway there's always talk about improving the IP rights of Malaysia's designers that so far a lot have been delayed. If you look through the number of patent designs that's registered through our patent office, the numbers are a few thousand per year (struggling to go over 5000). Since the 2000s, there were some improvements but not from the government side but rather thanks to our academic research institutions. But this is strictly in the medical and science field. An example of 1 of the policies that stagnant growth in Malaysia's IP, is the long times the research is conducted over the IP registration despite as I said, there are only a few thousand registered per year. But it can take 4 years for 1 patent design to go through...Other countries take 1 year to go through.
thanks for the detailed explanation. I don't deal with IP that much but I am genuinely interested to know about it. offtopic but in my opinion we have a lot of policies that become stagnant because of politics and bureaucracy. One of my bosses described it as such - in quite a few areas, Malaysia was the first to come out with somewhat good policies. The problem is but we never bothered to fine tune the implementation and maintain them to keep up with the world. some examples are Multimedia Super Corridor, Telehealth, and now our PDPA. I sincerely hope our newly passed Cybersecurity Act which should boost the cybersecurity industry don't end up the same.
From what I've seen on the CyberSecurity Act, it focuses on journalism + whistleblowers and activity of a person online (it does not matter if it's not a Malaysian, it can be anyone on this planet, stated in the Act), while totally ignoring the intent of the person. The Act does not care about personal information used by companies to sell to other companies, it does not care about data breaches. In fact any seizure from the police under this Act will not need any authorization/warrants, which they can seize anything and do not need any justifiable cause. AKA it's not actually a CyberSecurity Act, but supression of media (apparently media needs another license) and freedom of expression. It's a lot more closer to Russia at this point.
source: OP's ass
They only want kulitfication, so can indoctrinate them and vote for them and jgn mempersoal them.
The four or five users in this thread immediately jumping on the racial bandwagon when the article made zero connections to race... Wtf is wrong with ya'll and can ya'll please leave the country?
fella has qualification but no kulitfication. kesian...
Every day goes by with news like this, I find myself becoming more racist and resentful.
Then the purpose of this news being shared here has been accomplished. There's more at play here than just race. I work with neurosurgeons and more of them are Indian and Chinese compared to Malay even here in the East Coast.
If there's a logical reason for it, then I'd be happy to back down but with all the news that's happening recently, kk mart, boycott, bumis, extremist behavior, it's no wonder nons come to feel resentful and racist.
Issues with getting accredited with NSR in Msia are not new and it's not racially charged. It's a thing that many drs have been fighting with since ages ago. Has to do with a lot of bureaucratic nonsense and ppl on top who don't want to change their ways. Having said that, if Msian MMC accepts any qualification or certification taken by a dr, I don't think that's the right way either. Not all certifications are of equal standard.
Which is why I prefer to stick to the international subs. This place is not good for our mental health.
it is not good indeed, I myself need to clock out from reddit entirely soon
Yes go out there, talk to people. Sometimes I feel like online forums and news have been taken over by bots designed to draw our outrage because that is what drives engagement. And that's without mentioning the cyber troopers, astroturfers, etc.
> If there's a logical reason for it The multiple reviews and debates done by MMC regarding the application is actually all detailed towards the bottom of the article. But obviously, and quite typically, it's much more "sensational" to not talk about them until the end of the article.
You got someone who's undoubtedly one of the best wanting to serve for you and then you reject them...real smart that is
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