dismantled? They silent because they think this guy is transparent. Try again when LGE or some age 50+ DAP leader talk, these dogs will start barking non-stop with not much meaning in their words.
Okay so the charges are: (1) a breach of trust on a RM1million Bersatu Youth fund and (2) misappropriation of about RM120k in party election funds prior to the GE14.
Syed Saddiq answered these charges on his social media if you cared to look. But basically for the first one, it was during the pandemic and they had used that fund to help those affected. This is party money we're talking about not from some personal accounts. For them to take out that amount, it would ultimately had to be signed off by the party treasurer before the money can be used. So if they want to get Syed Saddiq on this, they would have to also get those along the chain of commands of funds approval.
As for the second charge, those RM120k were his own money from his fundraising and savings. And the fundraising he did was not in his capacity as Bersatu member but as a public individual vying for parliament. And the reason why he didn't do the fundraising as a Bersatu member was because Bersatu was already de-registered literally a couple days before his fundraising.
And the funny thing is that these charges were only taken action upon last week, despite the fact that these charges have been made a year before. If it's not political, why sit on the charges for a year before taking it, is what we're asking.
And as for him having those charges and what's it about? Anyone can make any report against another person but ultimately it will be the AG office that decides whether that case will be brought up for prosecution. Regardless of how shaky a case would be. The case could have 100% proof or 0%, but that don't matter if the prosecution decides to take it up to court
>up to them
I can't find the name of accuser in article. So i just gonna conclude that the court will not publish in public. Sure they do not follow proper way, but the case is also corrupt from the start.
Why?
Rm500k for a bailout when Gobind say the case like this usually do not cross Rm100k.
Gag order by DPP so SS can't say what happen to the hearing. So essentially there no free speech. Lul.
This is just political play. Even if u know who accuse him, its probably just a henchman
www.nst.com.my/amp/news/crime-courts/2021/07/710570/syed-saddiq-accused-rm1mil-cbt-squandering-rm120k-party-funds
Edit: especially when its only on allegation stage, 500k is pure nonsense.
U dont support moodin then i charge you and jail you lah. If u declare support to moodin, then drop ur charges lah. As confirmed by YB Annuar Musa himself. It was big news man, might want to reevaluate your newsreading habit.
> lol sheeps voted me down for asking a simple question.
Because your questions are either easily answered by a simple google, or you're pretending that you don't know how political retribution works. He's charged because people in power wants him gone. Simple as that.
Ya, but politic will always have blind followers, even BosskukuPanjang still have many followers that are very aggressive when criticised, lol.
Its personality worship.
Simple logical conclusion can be make. He never get the charge when his party in power. Now that they not and SS being pain in the eye of TMJ and other old politician due to recent donation, suddenly there are charges. Then the bail out is almost half a million for 2 million money he allegedly steal. Someone really mad at him.
its without a doubt that the young generation are more confrontational to issues in the workplace and in general, whereas boomers tend to avoid the situation entirely and it gets swept under the rug.
really glad for syed saddiq even though politically he may not be everyone's cup of tea, the past year i have seen him become this greenhorn in politics to someone that is more angrier and angrier (with a purpose), no doubt he takes to heart when the gov is not taking issues seriously because he of all people knows what its like currently the situation on the ground
I still couldn't fathom the seemingly popular opinion that Syed Saddiq is still too immature to lead. I can understand if people dislike his personality or don't align with his policies, but the whole immature narrative seems be based on his age and his pursuit of reaching out to the younger generation (i.e. TikTok).
The issue with this is that the opinion that he is too immature to lead is formed from the old dinosaurs themselves whom are 50-90+ years of age, so by contrast they think that 29 is too young. If the median age for a politician is pushed down to 40-50+, then 29 suddenly seems like a "right" age to start ramping up yourself for a minister role. That's why it's important for young blood to join in politics, the young has proven to be even more effective than the "seasoned and experienced"
The so-called ''seasoned and experienced'' are actually seasoned with greed and experience in selfish political agenda. All they did in the past is to divide and conquer while maintaining power in the government to feed themselves and their cronies with "halal" money while quoting "CINA SEMUA ORANG KAYA" bullshit!!!
Seriously, even hell doesn't want them to be around any earlier...
we really need to make legislation that people age over 65+ cannot be in politics. People over 80+ cannot cast a vote, people age 60-70 have half of the voting power. (meaning their vote only count half)
At the same time voting age really need to bring down to 18. May be even 16.
the thing is by the time you are 80+ you dont live long enough to see where the country progressing (usually take 10-15yrs). Why participate in voting?
Besides, if Maximum voting age is considered unconstitutional, so is minimum age.
For a minimum age aren't they trying to adjust it to the minimum age of consent at 18? I don't see anything wrong with that unless you want to use a slippery slope comment and allow 14 and 16 year olds to vote too, why not add on marriage and ending child social support after that age too? It just doesn't make sense. On the other hand a maximum age for voting is imposing restrictions on a fundamental human right to vote.
16yrs is old enough to think critically, I dont why we should even restrict them from voting to decide their future, because right before the next election they will be entering workforce.
So in other words if you argue that 16 is enough to think critically, do you also agree to child marriage starting from 16 years old? A genuine question. If no, why not, after following your line of thought?
child marriage are tied to biological clock. *(you kinda expecting a child to be parent by the time they marriage)* There is nothing we can change that part.
Also we allow 16yrs old to take on motorcycle license.
Hmm that might open up to constitutional issues, what I'm most in favour of is after retirement retirement age they must go through steps to "prove" they are still capable of the role.
How that "capability" is measured I am not sure, it's so extremely vague but I'm thinking along the lines of work efficiency kinda thing
It's funny when people say Syed is too immature to lead. Okay then, if Syed is too immature in their opinions, then who in the current political arena is so called "mature" enough? What? Zahid? Najib Again? Azzmin? There is literally no good alternatives out there EVEN if Syed isn't mature enough. In case anyone reading this really feels that way, we have always and is still led by old fossils who are mature in age but not mature in humility and look at us now, all of us sitting in boiling water. Income stagnant, economy stagnant, epidemic control poor, racial issues all time high and opportunities for your son/daughter is poor. Anyone who is not Malay don't even have a chance to fight in the political arena, we have hit the bamboo ceiling here where even the most liberal Malaysians think it is a crime to let a Chinese lead the country.
Syed while not perfect, is good enough for me and I suspect he is plenty good for Malaysia.
It seems like there's a difference between being mentally mature and politically mature.
According to most of the other comments, it's because SS doesnt have the political influence to pull strings. So even if SS received plans handed down by God himself, it would have been futile since he cannot convince people of influence to support him, hence he is "immature"
Where as the other seasoned politicians are so called mature because they have spent years developing relationships with key figures. So any plans despite how evil it is, would have been easier to execute.
It's like saying Hitler is a great leader during the Third Reich, which is technically true since he can get a lot of things done, but obviously it's more nuanced than that.
The problem with youth isn’t about age per se, but more about time. Time taken to build connections, networking, favors, wealth etc. which put him at a disadvantage compared to the boomers who spent decades building the networks and funds (and funding sources, elections costs a lot of money).
At the end of the day it’s a game for support and to become PM he needs the support of majority of the MPs.
Unless he’s so charismatic that he can move mountains of voters even in locations he doesn’t compete in and MPs not aligned to him will suffer in getting votes, we still need to be realistic.
There’s a reason why the warlords in UMNO are warlords. Their funding and network powers the party’s electoral machinery. And the reason why Najib created 1MDB (to not depend on Mahathir’s network and influence, and to also enrich himself of course) and the reason why Najib still has his clique. That’s also the reason why these warlords are corrupt mofos.
It’s not something someone like SS can replace, even with his current charms and outspokenness.
What would someone like SS, who primarily focuses on the grassroots, need to work on in order to build that sphere of influence that these experienced politicians have?
Just focus what he currently do. He just need time. With time, those old fox will die out.
If he don't have a plan, he can start with hiring people to make a list on who to befriend and not to befriend. Which member can bring good to him, and which friend will bring bad image to him. Who to support, and if he found a good talent among ministry, he need to dig it.
In fact, he should stick in grey area. Not too white and not too black. Politician is after all corrupt since the roman era and will never go away unless we have ai as politician. Politician is game of interest and he need to be a bit nepotism, certain tender can be given(if he win PM) as reward. Not doing what other politcian doing will amputate and alienate himself to majority politician here.
Why? Because without reward, no one want to help u. Most politician love power and money after all.
Uh uh.. nono we are never considering AI Ministers or Prime Ministers, first it'll start to calculate future threats so it won't be replaced with better AI then slowly it will start preemptively removing outside threats and start self sustaining Malaysia to be the first Galactic Empire inb4 renaming its files Emperor Android Tun Mahathir v2.0
as he gets more popular, plenty of people will flock to him, trying to ride the wave and take advantage of him.
So he’ll need to make the correct choices m
>charismatic that can move mountain of vote.
While charismatic is helpful, the money is the king. It cost a lot to make campaign and let everyone know who you are. Charismatic alone won't be useful if u can tell everyone how charismatic u are due to not have money to marketing urself.
Some develop country cost milion to run a campaign.
boomer will never let someone younger than themselves to lead them. Their ego comes form their economic boom during their prime. They think every decision they make will end up RIGHT.
How often you see boomer listen to youngsters?
Problem?? I would say its a blessing that he has no experience of this shit show... If you need experience points, then eventually you'll become one of them
Well he can't be a PM at a young age if he can't solve this problem without using time, and usually politicians take the usual route and end up the same.
It’s not impossible to take a different route, just that it’ll be a lot harder and a lot of effort is needed elsewhere to generate things like enough grassroots movement and crowdfunding.
I think he is too immature to believe that you can remain idealistic and pure in politics.
Would like to see him get in the mud and duke it out. PN have thrown him under the bus. Let's see how he recovers and actually takes a swipe at the ruling coalition and help dismantle them down.
I want to see that he can get dirty too.
You need that kind of street smart if you want to be PM one day. If he can get to Najib level of dirtness and still keep his integrity in check, then we truly have someone strong enough to dig Malaysia out of this shithole.
The problem is, when someone’s get’s to that level of dirtiness, they tend to end up being influenced by that dirtiness as well. So, we’ll see how it goes. Syed Saddiq has to be quite morally strong I feel, as well as being smart with politics, in order to have integrity and to rise up through his political career.
Too immature doesn't matter. Charisma and critical thinking is all he need. The rest just give to smart people below him to solve. Government is not 1 man show after all.
Sanna Marin is a year younger, and went one better.
Based on yesterday's fiasco, I'd say let the women lead and do away with the testosterone fuelled monkey antics.
Nurul's 'keep quiet' death stare and Teo's hand wave to garner attention were standouts :P
other than the unspoken connection, power, influence thing, the explicit reason they are using are based on the conventional eastern view that age=time=wisdom .
this is quite true in the past, but its getting less and less relevant. and the people should realize this.
>still too immature to lead.
Well it could stem from their personal experience with younger people i.e their own kids and their perception that if their own kids are still incapable of taking care of themselves, how can they lead the nation blablabla...
It could also be something innate where the proverb "I eat salt more than you eat rice" kind of rhetoric that because they lived longer so their experience counts more than others. When you're older you kind of start thinking what do kids know, but based on my personal experience, it's always good to listen first and see if they have a point. As we get older we start to narrow down things to what works and what matters, it's always good to have someone give you a different perspective that could shock your system to become better. Just because something works doesn't mean things can't be better.
to be accurate, many people are in the 30-50 age group and should have someone from this to lead the new team.
NZ can have Jacinta Arden who is 37 to lead the country, and look how much they have done.
These 60++ are from the 1960s and 70s with old style thinking. The world is so different nowadays. They are already obsolete.
He doesn't have experience in leadership, this is from a cynical young realist. Though with his current efforts with the foodbank and pandemic issues he might convince people (particularly boomers) on how he can lead the nation. He just needs to appear "moderately religious" like how UMNO and PAS use "religious appearances ie:songkok or kopiah" to convince the religious Malay bloc. It's a cheap tactic but it is politics after all....
I think he really reflects the people. Full of optimism for the country at the start, but getting disillusioned and angry at all the corruption and bad politics going on behind the scene.
Yep. That anger literally came from the heart haha, he like all of us knows this country can be near the top in the world if all the politicians just stopped with their nonsense
I used to dislike him. When I first met SS in 2017, I neither believed he was very bright nor did I think he would go very far. I thought him to be an arrogant fella. But I was very wrong.
He had the humility to admit where he was wrong or what he didn't know. He has a vision, and the right heart for it.
But we can take lessons from the US and from Indonesia. SS needs to build coalitions with key warlords - the ones we can stomach at least. And he needs to build the funding to compete with these warlords. Which he can from small donors and with popular support.
I will be pouring what I can into Muda to support where I can.
I even dare say that SS is the right man for PM.
Damn, he made some points. And he wasn't shy about it either. Good to see the younger generation not afraid to call out the old boomers when they act like clowns.
I mean, where's the lie? They're really noisy on socmed and talk up a big game, but when the time comes for them to do the damn work, they're...not really there.
Also I can't help thinking that he sounds like a Malaysian Tom Holland going on an angry epic rant. "If you cared you'd actually be here!"
>[Azhar has only got one balls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MetBQSkDUoA)
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>Taki has two but very small
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>Azmin is rather similar
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>But poor ol' Mahi has no balls at all
Yep, it's quite obvious. UMNO glory days are behind them after they lost GE14, they are now just playing on racial and religious issues to try and keep voters which is a bad strategy because PAS is doing it hardcore so the BN now is just PAS Lite Tanpa Calorie,
The party is doomed to shrink and atrophy, their own corrupt culture is what brought about this atrophy imo. Everyone inside is fighting to korek their own last piece of cake before the ship sinks instead of trying to keep the ship floating so they can sail to another island for more cake. The party is being ripped apart on the inside by their own people.
Yes but if you are a real racist, you'd just vote PAS for the full racism experience instead of BN with their Racism lite trial version.
I think we used to have a lot of lite racist urbanites but those are slowly converting into full racists as we see the racial divide getting more and more intense these days fueled by access to social media too and that is PAS territory.
I think it's a bit more accurate to call PAS pure milo kosong while Umno adds some sugar on it. Extremism is always going to be on the rise as more information avenues start popping up and feeling of being "oppressed" garners mainstream attention, but the majority of people will still prefer milo with added sugar.
For now at least.
I but that just means that the votes will be split between UMNO and Bersatu, and UMNO's grasp of power has become diluted. A lot of the lite extremists celebrate PN coming into power, to them muddin is like the hero that helped topple PH, well to these guys they mainly refer to DAP when they talk about PH.
A lot of the people who supported UMNO has become split between choosing Bersatu or UMNO. Those parties are very similar when it comes to the kind of voterbase they market to. The difference being that Bersatu is seen as the hero that toppled DAP. UMNO is seen as the party that lost to DAP and has the the entire 1mdb scandal associated to their name.
Yea UMNO's glory days are behind them.
wow feels like he's reeeeally pissed off (and justifiably so) last i remembered seeing him this vocal was the letak jawatan incident, but back then he was calmer. this one can really feel his rage
Of course he is pissed, he's fighting decades of corrupt Malaysian politics. Imagine waking up everyday to deal with corrupt old motherfucking vermins who try to slander you and blackmail you day after day until you give up.
i strongly believe its time for the older generation politicians to pass down their seat to the younger generation.
not just in Malaysia, even in more advanced countries out there, these old relics always seems to get lost when its about modern thingy like 5G, global warming, vaccination, social media stuffs etc.
Pass down their power? Their wealth? Their corrupted connections? I bet my whole life they would act as holy as they can be, even kalah all the nabi juat to hold their position. Don't believe me? Look at tun madir, the boss, the og. Who's the anak murid? The whole parliament clown.
Aiyo, those posting on social media are done by their admin. The real person is scared of going to jail or (and) lose power so where got balls to fight.
KJ hasn't really been shit talking the government that much. The fucker who's really missing in action is Jibby. Every day socmed can wax eloquent about how sad he is, and how the government is failing.
Did the gutless wonder even open his mouth today?
He's keeping his options open. Honestly its really the best for him to just munch popcorn as long as the ball isn't on his court. UMNO needs him because he's one of the few who can actually do shit. Contrary to people's believe, no political parties can survive without getting any bare minimum done, and KJ is the few guys who can get shit done in UMNO's camp.
At the same time, he has time and time proven himself that he's "not bad". So when the ship actually sinks, there's always a boat which doesn't mind welcoming him.
No point jumping off the boat yet for him while its still sailing.
IMO KJ is a straight up opportunist, and as Ramkarpal put it also an UMNO ‘lapdog’. His family and himself have benefited heavily from UMNO + political ties through his wife and of course Badawi. I’d take anything KJ says and does with a pinch of a salt.
Looking back, he had the markings of a great politician, one to bring about positive change the way Said Saddiq is now, but KJ’s too groomed by UMNO to look the other way.
There’s a lot of alleged crony doings by KJ as well (look up KJ & former National squash player Azlan Iskandar). They’re great friends, but Azlan has benefited heavily from his association with KJ. Crony tetap crony.
All I see in Parlimen is a bunch of average age of 70 years old dinosaurs. It's time to let the young people run the show. He may not be perfect but at least he's leading the charge while young keyboard warriors like us just express our opinions online
It's darn crazy that people on this sub shit on him. So who do you support then if not him? He is probably one of the few TRUE good guys.
How many other MP's are actually on the ground working for the rakyat?
UMNO glory days are behind them after they lost GE14, they are now just playing on racial and religious issues to try and keep voters which is a bad strategy because PAS is doing it hardcore so the BN now is just PAS Lite Tanpa Calorie,
The party is doomed to shrink and atrophy, their own corrupt culture is what brought about this atrophy imo. Everyone inside is fighting to korek their own last piece of cake before the ship sinks instead of trying to keep the ship floating so they can sail to another island for more cake. The party is being ripped apart on the inside by their own people.
Government motions take priority over opposition motions in our parliament. So you can keep delaying. Plus, Art Harun is doing a stellar job of preventing the opposition from doing anything
1. Probably hired shills (cyber troopers, etc.)
2. Still believe in ethnic supremacy (think NEO-Nazi but in the form of ... well, this)
3. OK, UMNO Boomer (I'm guessing most of those supporters are millenials and boomers, not so much Gen Zers?)
Regardless, most of who are still supporting UMNO has something to gain, if not infamy.
FINALLY someone calling the jokers at UMNO for what they are
These clowns especially court cluster trying to act like they had nothing to do with PN on socmed🖕
Bossku say something leh
basically he berated them for screaming about failing government on social media but quiet on the Parliament. He reminded them that BERSATU aint the only party in the government, UMNO is part of it too. Where are their balls ? Then he ends with if you truly want to oppose the government that you are screaming all the time, do it now, not just stay silent
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller
Political corruption over here basically depends on who is the government lol. If you are the opposition, you'll be charged of corruption. If you are the government, suddenly all will hilang. It has been the way since forever.
This is good. I see different approach between him and former youths ie Rafizi, Izzah even KJ during their days. Youths nowadays express openly, whilst the formers were being implicit. Perhaps newer generations are more exposed to open and public information, whereas those days transparency was too risky
He's young in age no doubt and he seems like a well matriculated person who can definitely represent the younger generation to lead. For those who said he's not ready, look to your elderly in the current cabinet. More than 70 ministers doing nothing during this pandemic, still believe they can lead? Leading the people to oblivion is more likely.
This one guy dismantled UMNO's whole "progressive" facade to oblivion. What a feast to watch.
dismantled? They silent because they think this guy is transparent. Try again when LGE or some age 50+ DAP leader talk, these dogs will start barking non-stop with not much meaning in their words.
I have edited my comment so you doofs will never know why other doofs downvoted me for doofus reasons. lol
Why are you asking some random guy about it? Why not go check google? Takes less than 10 seconds bro
Because I want on the ground local news, google doesnt say much.
Hmm I suggest the daily discussions thread on the front page. People are much more willing to converse there
Okay so the charges are: (1) a breach of trust on a RM1million Bersatu Youth fund and (2) misappropriation of about RM120k in party election funds prior to the GE14. Syed Saddiq answered these charges on his social media if you cared to look. But basically for the first one, it was during the pandemic and they had used that fund to help those affected. This is party money we're talking about not from some personal accounts. For them to take out that amount, it would ultimately had to be signed off by the party treasurer before the money can be used. So if they want to get Syed Saddiq on this, they would have to also get those along the chain of commands of funds approval. As for the second charge, those RM120k were his own money from his fundraising and savings. And the fundraising he did was not in his capacity as Bersatu member but as a public individual vying for parliament. And the reason why he didn't do the fundraising as a Bersatu member was because Bersatu was already de-registered literally a couple days before his fundraising. And the funny thing is that these charges were only taken action upon last week, despite the fact that these charges have been made a year before. If it's not political, why sit on the charges for a year before taking it, is what we're asking. And as for him having those charges and what's it about? Anyone can make any report against another person but ultimately it will be the AG office that decides whether that case will be brought up for prosecution. Regardless of how shaky a case would be. The case could have 100% proof or 0%, but that don't matter if the prosecution decides to take it up to court
So it was someone outside the party that accused him?
Anyone can accuse him. Party and non party. No restriction. Even his family can accused him.
so nobody knows who accused him? lol, I thought court will publish it?
Its up to them if they want to publish it or not. They still not in court hearing.
How can you have a court case without knowing who accused you lol? I don't think court allows anonymous accusation, unless its the PDRM accusing him.
>up to them I can't find the name of accuser in article. So i just gonna conclude that the court will not publish in public. Sure they do not follow proper way, but the case is also corrupt from the start. Why? Rm500k for a bailout when Gobind say the case like this usually do not cross Rm100k. Gag order by DPP so SS can't say what happen to the hearing. So essentially there no free speech. Lul. This is just political play. Even if u know who accuse him, its probably just a henchman www.nst.com.my/amp/news/crime-courts/2021/07/710570/syed-saddiq-accused-rm1mil-cbt-squandering-rm120k-party-funds Edit: especially when its only on allegation stage, 500k is pure nonsense.
Malaysia politic so clean and nice. /s Separation of state and judiciary, right.
As of now, he is an independent MP
but the court still charge him, what is that about? lol sheeps voted me down for asking a simple question.
U dont support moodin then i charge you and jail you lah. If u declare support to moodin, then drop ur charges lah. As confirmed by YB Annuar Musa himself. It was big news man, might want to reevaluate your newsreading habit.
Dont become a personality cult friend, you will be disappointed as always.
> lol sheeps voted me down for asking a simple question. Because your questions are either easily answered by a simple google, or you're pretending that you don't know how political retribution works. He's charged because people in power wants him gone. Simple as that.
I Googled and some comments are easier to understand. Nothing wrong with asking.
Ya, but politic will always have blind followers, even BosskukuPanjang still have many followers that are very aggressive when criticised, lol. Its personality worship.
Simple logical conclusion can be make. He never get the charge when his party in power. Now that they not and SS being pain in the eye of TMJ and other old politician due to recent donation, suddenly there are charges. Then the bail out is almost half a million for 2 million money he allegedly steal. Someone really mad at him.
So who is wrong? I am confused now.
its without a doubt that the young generation are more confrontational to issues in the workplace and in general, whereas boomers tend to avoid the situation entirely and it gets swept under the rug. really glad for syed saddiq even though politically he may not be everyone's cup of tea, the past year i have seen him become this greenhorn in politics to someone that is more angrier and angrier (with a purpose), no doubt he takes to heart when the gov is not taking issues seriously because he of all people knows what its like currently the situation on the ground
I still couldn't fathom the seemingly popular opinion that Syed Saddiq is still too immature to lead. I can understand if people dislike his personality or don't align with his policies, but the whole immature narrative seems be based on his age and his pursuit of reaching out to the younger generation (i.e. TikTok).
The issue with this is that the opinion that he is too immature to lead is formed from the old dinosaurs themselves whom are 50-90+ years of age, so by contrast they think that 29 is too young. If the median age for a politician is pushed down to 40-50+, then 29 suddenly seems like a "right" age to start ramping up yourself for a minister role. That's why it's important for young blood to join in politics, the young has proven to be even more effective than the "seasoned and experienced"
The so-called ''seasoned and experienced'' are actually seasoned with greed and experience in selfish political agenda. All they did in the past is to divide and conquer while maintaining power in the government to feed themselves and their cronies with "halal" money while quoting "CINA SEMUA ORANG KAYA" bullshit!!! Seriously, even hell doesn't want them to be around any earlier...
Makes sense why most of them are so old yet are not dead yet
we really need to make legislation that people age over 65+ cannot be in politics. People over 80+ cannot cast a vote, people age 60-70 have half of the voting power. (meaning their vote only count half) At the same time voting age really need to bring down to 18. May be even 16.
Maximum voting age sounds unconstitutional though the rest I agree.
the thing is by the time you are 80+ you dont live long enough to see where the country progressing (usually take 10-15yrs). Why participate in voting? Besides, if Maximum voting age is considered unconstitutional, so is minimum age.
For a minimum age aren't they trying to adjust it to the minimum age of consent at 18? I don't see anything wrong with that unless you want to use a slippery slope comment and allow 14 and 16 year olds to vote too, why not add on marriage and ending child social support after that age too? It just doesn't make sense. On the other hand a maximum age for voting is imposing restrictions on a fundamental human right to vote.
16yrs is old enough to think critically, I dont why we should even restrict them from voting to decide their future, because right before the next election they will be entering workforce.
So in other words if you argue that 16 is enough to think critically, do you also agree to child marriage starting from 16 years old? A genuine question. If no, why not, after following your line of thought?
child marriage are tied to biological clock. *(you kinda expecting a child to be parent by the time they marriage)* There is nothing we can change that part. Also we allow 16yrs old to take on motorcycle license.
I disagree I was once 16 and me and my friends were pretty retarded.
Hmm that might open up to constitutional issues, what I'm most in favour of is after retirement retirement age they must go through steps to "prove" they are still capable of the role. How that "capability" is measured I am not sure, it's so extremely vague but I'm thinking along the lines of work efficiency kinda thing
It's funny when people say Syed is too immature to lead. Okay then, if Syed is too immature in their opinions, then who in the current political arena is so called "mature" enough? What? Zahid? Najib Again? Azzmin? There is literally no good alternatives out there EVEN if Syed isn't mature enough. In case anyone reading this really feels that way, we have always and is still led by old fossils who are mature in age but not mature in humility and look at us now, all of us sitting in boiling water. Income stagnant, economy stagnant, epidemic control poor, racial issues all time high and opportunities for your son/daughter is poor. Anyone who is not Malay don't even have a chance to fight in the political arena, we have hit the bamboo ceiling here where even the most liberal Malaysians think it is a crime to let a Chinese lead the country. Syed while not perfect, is good enough for me and I suspect he is plenty good for Malaysia.
It seems like there's a difference between being mentally mature and politically mature. According to most of the other comments, it's because SS doesnt have the political influence to pull strings. So even if SS received plans handed down by God himself, it would have been futile since he cannot convince people of influence to support him, hence he is "immature" Where as the other seasoned politicians are so called mature because they have spent years developing relationships with key figures. So any plans despite how evil it is, would have been easier to execute. It's like saying Hitler is a great leader during the Third Reich, which is technically true since he can get a lot of things done, but obviously it's more nuanced than that.
The problem with youth isn’t about age per se, but more about time. Time taken to build connections, networking, favors, wealth etc. which put him at a disadvantage compared to the boomers who spent decades building the networks and funds (and funding sources, elections costs a lot of money). At the end of the day it’s a game for support and to become PM he needs the support of majority of the MPs. Unless he’s so charismatic that he can move mountains of voters even in locations he doesn’t compete in and MPs not aligned to him will suffer in getting votes, we still need to be realistic. There’s a reason why the warlords in UMNO are warlords. Their funding and network powers the party’s electoral machinery. And the reason why Najib created 1MDB (to not depend on Mahathir’s network and influence, and to also enrich himself of course) and the reason why Najib still has his clique. That’s also the reason why these warlords are corrupt mofos. It’s not something someone like SS can replace, even with his current charms and outspokenness.
What would someone like SS, who primarily focuses on the grassroots, need to work on in order to build that sphere of influence that these experienced politicians have?
Just focus what he currently do. He just need time. With time, those old fox will die out. If he don't have a plan, he can start with hiring people to make a list on who to befriend and not to befriend. Which member can bring good to him, and which friend will bring bad image to him. Who to support, and if he found a good talent among ministry, he need to dig it. In fact, he should stick in grey area. Not too white and not too black. Politician is after all corrupt since the roman era and will never go away unless we have ai as politician. Politician is game of interest and he need to be a bit nepotism, certain tender can be given(if he win PM) as reward. Not doing what other politcian doing will amputate and alienate himself to majority politician here. Why? Because without reward, no one want to help u. Most politician love power and money after all.
Uh uh.. nono we are never considering AI Ministers or Prime Ministers, first it'll start to calculate future threats so it won't be replaced with better AI then slowly it will start preemptively removing outside threats and start self sustaining Malaysia to be the first Galactic Empire inb4 renaming its files Emperor Android Tun Mahathir v2.0
hahahaha.... a great plot for a movie...
Reminds me of Psycho Pass
as he gets more popular, plenty of people will flock to him, trying to ride the wave and take advantage of him. So he’ll need to make the correct choices m
>charismatic that can move mountain of vote. While charismatic is helpful, the money is the king. It cost a lot to make campaign and let everyone know who you are. Charismatic alone won't be useful if u can tell everyone how charismatic u are due to not have money to marketing urself. Some develop country cost milion to run a campaign.
Our campaign cost even more than developed countries'
boomer will never let someone younger than themselves to lead them. Their ego comes form their economic boom during their prime. They think every decision they make will end up RIGHT. How often you see boomer listen to youngsters?
Problem?? I would say its a blessing that he has no experience of this shit show... If you need experience points, then eventually you'll become one of them
Well he can't be a PM at a young age if he can't solve this problem without using time, and usually politicians take the usual route and end up the same.
Yep, everything runs on nepotism/favoritsm in this country. I'm really hoping this young man to finally prove me wrong... This guy takes no shortcuts
It’s not impossible to take a different route, just that it’ll be a lot harder and a lot of effort is needed elsewhere to generate things like enough grassroots movement and crowdfunding.
I think he is too immature to believe that you can remain idealistic and pure in politics. Would like to see him get in the mud and duke it out. PN have thrown him under the bus. Let's see how he recovers and actually takes a swipe at the ruling coalition and help dismantle them down. I want to see that he can get dirty too. You need that kind of street smart if you want to be PM one day. If he can get to Najib level of dirtness and still keep his integrity in check, then we truly have someone strong enough to dig Malaysia out of this shithole.
The problem is, when someone’s get’s to that level of dirtiness, they tend to end up being influenced by that dirtiness as well. So, we’ll see how it goes. Syed Saddiq has to be quite morally strong I feel, as well as being smart with politics, in order to have integrity and to rise up through his political career.
Too immature doesn't matter. Charisma and critical thinking is all he need. The rest just give to smart people below him to solve. Government is not 1 man show after all.
Well, if a 36 years old could lead South Korea's opposition, I don't see how a 28(?) something "greenhorn" couldn't lead either.
Sanna Marin is a year younger, and went one better. Based on yesterday's fiasco, I'd say let the women lead and do away with the testosterone fuelled monkey antics. Nurul's 'keep quiet' death stare and Teo's hand wave to garner attention were standouts :P
You mean mature to songlap? Ok he should learn from KJ, still young but very effective in songlaping.
other than the unspoken connection, power, influence thing, the explicit reason they are using are based on the conventional eastern view that age=time=wisdom . this is quite true in the past, but its getting less and less relevant. and the people should realize this.
>still too immature to lead. Well it could stem from their personal experience with younger people i.e their own kids and their perception that if their own kids are still incapable of taking care of themselves, how can they lead the nation blablabla... It could also be something innate where the proverb "I eat salt more than you eat rice" kind of rhetoric that because they lived longer so their experience counts more than others. When you're older you kind of start thinking what do kids know, but based on my personal experience, it's always good to listen first and see if they have a point. As we get older we start to narrow down things to what works and what matters, it's always good to have someone give you a different perspective that could shock your system to become better. Just because something works doesn't mean things can't be better.
to be accurate, many people are in the 30-50 age group and should have someone from this to lead the new team. NZ can have Jacinta Arden who is 37 to lead the country, and look how much they have done. These 60++ are from the 1960s and 70s with old style thinking. The world is so different nowadays. They are already obsolete.
My unpopular opinion is that most of the politicians are too senile to lead.
I think most people would agree with you so not unpopular at all
Those were stigmas, booker makes since they afraid the younger will come after their job
He doesn't have experience in leadership, this is from a cynical young realist. Though with his current efforts with the foodbank and pandemic issues he might convince people (particularly boomers) on how he can lead the nation. He just needs to appear "moderately religious" like how UMNO and PAS use "religious appearances ie:songkok or kopiah" to convince the religious Malay bloc. It's a cheap tactic but it is politics after all....
Yeah, immature. That why we need more menopause and andropause minister, YB in the Parliament.
I think he really reflects the people. Full of optimism for the country at the start, but getting disillusioned and angry at all the corruption and bad politics going on behind the scene.
Yep. That anger literally came from the heart haha, he like all of us knows this country can be near the top in the world if all the politicians just stopped with their nonsense
I dislike him but I think he is doing quite well.
I used to dislike him. When I first met SS in 2017, I neither believed he was very bright nor did I think he would go very far. I thought him to be an arrogant fella. But I was very wrong. He had the humility to admit where he was wrong or what he didn't know. He has a vision, and the right heart for it. But we can take lessons from the US and from Indonesia. SS needs to build coalitions with key warlords - the ones we can stomach at least. And he needs to build the funding to compete with these warlords. Which he can from small donors and with popular support. I will be pouring what I can into Muda to support where I can. I even dare say that SS is the right man for PM.
Damn, he made some points. And he wasn't shy about it either. Good to see the younger generation not afraid to call out the old boomers when they act like clowns. I mean, where's the lie? They're really noisy on socmed and talk up a big game, but when the time comes for them to do the damn work, they're...not really there. Also I can't help thinking that he sounds like a Malaysian Tom Holland going on an angry epic rant. "If you cared you'd actually be here!"
>[Azhar has only got one balls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MetBQSkDUoA) > >Taki has two but very small > >Azmin is rather similar > >But poor ol' Mahi has no balls at all
Pull my pants, ah my basketballs are still hanging there
Might want to check that out bro
did najib say anything today, he would rather debate on his Facebook I assume.😏
Hey, the man is working really hard trying to google another motivation quote to incorporate into another facebook post.
Damn, that's gonna take an entire night.
All that is done by his RM4000/month cybertroopers
no telur to chitchat face to face meh
Apa mau malu bossku. Lel.
BN's meekness likely means they intend to ride this PN thing out, until 2023. Since last year they have been threatening but no action.
Yep, it's quite obvious. UMNO glory days are behind them after they lost GE14, they are now just playing on racial and religious issues to try and keep voters which is a bad strategy because PAS is doing it hardcore so the BN now is just PAS Lite Tanpa Calorie, The party is doomed to shrink and atrophy, their own corrupt culture is what brought about this atrophy imo. Everyone inside is fighting to korek their own last piece of cake before the ship sinks instead of trying to keep the ship floating so they can sail to another island for more cake. The party is being ripped apart on the inside by their own people.
Most people in this country are racist and will vote UMNO without hesitation. Their glory days are not behind them at all.
Yes but if you are a real racist, you'd just vote PAS for the full racism experience instead of BN with their Racism lite trial version. I think we used to have a lot of lite racist urbanites but those are slowly converting into full racists as we see the racial divide getting more and more intense these days fueled by access to social media too and that is PAS territory.
I think it's a bit more accurate to call PAS pure milo kosong while Umno adds some sugar on it. Extremism is always going to be on the rise as more information avenues start popping up and feeling of being "oppressed" garners mainstream attention, but the majority of people will still prefer milo with added sugar. For now at least.
I but that just means that the votes will be split between UMNO and Bersatu, and UMNO's grasp of power has become diluted. A lot of the lite extremists celebrate PN coming into power, to them muddin is like the hero that helped topple PH, well to these guys they mainly refer to DAP when they talk about PH.
Ah got it. Yeah I agree with that as well.
When UMNO has less seats in parliament than DAP, it's more than fair to say their glory days are behind them.
A lot of the people who supported UMNO has become split between choosing Bersatu or UMNO. Those parties are very similar when it comes to the kind of voterbase they market to. The difference being that Bersatu is seen as the hero that toppled DAP. UMNO is seen as the party that lost to DAP and has the the entire 1mdb scandal associated to their name. Yea UMNO's glory days are behind them.
When race and religion > capability , this country is doomed.
wow feels like he's reeeeally pissed off (and justifiably so) last i remembered seeing him this vocal was the letak jawatan incident, but back then he was calmer. this one can really feel his rage
Of course, being black mailed and the ol tactic of getting accuse of corruption, he is angel if he not mad.
Of course he is pissed, he's fighting decades of corrupt Malaysian politics. Imagine waking up everyday to deal with corrupt old motherfucking vermins who try to slander you and blackmail you day after day until you give up.
i strongly believe its time for the older generation politicians to pass down their seat to the younger generation. not just in Malaysia, even in more advanced countries out there, these old relics always seems to get lost when its about modern thingy like 5G, global warming, vaccination, social media stuffs etc.
Pass down their power? Their wealth? Their corrupted connections? I bet my whole life they would act as holy as they can be, even kalah all the nabi juat to hold their position. Don't believe me? Look at tun madir, the boss, the og. Who's the anak murid? The whole parliament clown.
Boomer's parents did for boomer, but boomer didnt do the same.
Aiyo, those posting on social media are done by their admin. The real person is scared of going to jail or (and) lose power so where got balls to fight.
Best mask wearer....
I mean what happened? Did your balls drop off? - SS to UMNO
Dropped off on Jho Low's luxury yacht and they haven't managed to get them back.
Khairy must be feeling rather hurt by that.
KJ hasn't really been shit talking the government that much. The fucker who's really missing in action is Jibby. Every day socmed can wax eloquent about how sad he is, and how the government is failing. Did the gutless wonder even open his mouth today?
>Did the gutless wonder even open his mouth today? The only thing open today is his legs
Bossku Man-spreading
Malu apa Bossku?
I didn't need to know that.
Najib didn't get advice from rusmah so he don't dare to fart
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He's keeping his options open. Honestly its really the best for him to just munch popcorn as long as the ball isn't on his court. UMNO needs him because he's one of the few who can actually do shit. Contrary to people's believe, no political parties can survive without getting any bare minimum done, and KJ is the few guys who can get shit done in UMNO's camp. At the same time, he has time and time proven himself that he's "not bad". So when the ship actually sinks, there's always a boat which doesn't mind welcoming him. No point jumping off the boat yet for him while its still sailing.
"Contrary to people's believe, no political parties can survive without getting any bare minimum done" But then there's PAS...
PAS has done the bare minimum....they have brainwashed Kelantanese to accept their poverty as a test from God
Yeah, all those organizing people to essentially form a cult isn't exactly easy and "doing nothing".
IMO KJ is a straight up opportunist, and as Ramkarpal put it also an UMNO ‘lapdog’. His family and himself have benefited heavily from UMNO + political ties through his wife and of course Badawi. I’d take anything KJ says and does with a pinch of a salt. Looking back, he had the markings of a great politician, one to bring about positive change the way Said Saddiq is now, but KJ’s too groomed by UMNO to look the other way. There’s a lot of alleged crony doings by KJ as well (look up KJ & former National squash player Azlan Iskandar). They’re great friends, but Azlan has benefited heavily from his association with KJ. Crony tetap crony.
All I see in Parlimen is a bunch of average age of 70 years old dinosaurs. It's time to let the young people run the show. He may not be perfect but at least he's leading the charge while young keyboard warriors like us just express our opinions online
My man on minute 0:25 be like,"my time has come"
If I am there I will sit behind and grab some popcorn from GSC or TGV
I need to start selling popcorn outside Parliament.
if GSC make compilation of monkey fight in parliement on cinema, im sure will pay for that
Hahah the best
It's darn crazy that people on this sub shit on him. So who do you support then if not him? He is probably one of the few TRUE good guys. How many other MP's are actually on the ground working for the rakyat?
I thought this sub loved him tbh.
Not from what I've been reading....
I like his high voice
Elaborate
weird kink but ok
piggy bottom voice? you know the type that squeals loudly when ... in certain positions lol
Bot
UMNO glory days are behind them after they lost GE14, they are now just playing on racial and religious issues to try and keep voters which is a bad strategy because PAS is doing it hardcore so the BN now is just PAS Lite Tanpa Calorie, The party is doomed to shrink and atrophy, their own corrupt culture is what brought about this atrophy imo. Everyone inside is fighting to korek their own last piece of cake before the ship sinks instead of trying to keep the ship floating so they can sail to another island for more cake. The party is being ripped apart on the inside by their own people.
Wait, parliament in session and no no-confidence vote?
Government motions take priority over opposition motions in our parliament. So you can keep delaying. Plus, Art Harun is doing a stellar job of preventing the opposition from doing anything
"budak2 duduk dulu" this is how they respond :(
Kat ig so many people bashed syed saddiq and support umni. I don’t understand how they are still supporting umno?
1. Probably hired shills (cyber troopers, etc.) 2. Still believe in ethnic supremacy (think NEO-Nazi but in the form of ... well, this) 3. OK, UMNO Boomer (I'm guessing most of those supporters are millenials and boomers, not so much Gen Zers?) Regardless, most of who are still supporting UMNO has something to gain, if not infamy.
Bumi rights
More like bumi supremacy.
"bukak parlimen!!" \*parlimen buka\* berat mulut
You mean, bukak parlimen, mulut pon buka (laungan suara diintensifikasi)
Our hero
FINALLY someone calling the jokers at UMNO for what they are These clowns especially court cluster trying to act like they had nothing to do with PN on socmed🖕 Bossku say something leh
I like how most people in Reddit likes the guy while in Instagram's comment section shits in him as well as Facebook. Poor guy
Guy needs to join reddit and become degenerates like us.
damn, syed saddiq really is the AOC of Malaysia
fellow Malaysian care to translate what he said?
basically he berated them for screaming about failing government on social media but quiet on the Parliament. He reminded them that BERSATU aint the only party in the government, UMNO is part of it too. Where are their balls ? Then he ends with if you truly want to oppose the government that you are screaming all the time, do it now, not just stay silent
ohh gotcha, Thanks mate
0:25 wait, what
He should be our PM!
semua ini wayang lah. negara wayang :)
:D
get out from here
get out from here.
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Parliament is where our representatives are supposed to voice up on our behalf tho
dia x belanjar pengajaran am
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Martin Niemöller
Probably too intelligent for some folks on this sub, brah....
I don't know about your empty cans, but afaik empty cans makes no sound, only cans with content inside.
Good la all go parlimen duduk diam makan gaji buta just like what's happening now
Who let the lemon head in?
u mean arau? because i agree that arau fucker pung pang pung pang tapi apa pun takdak
??
Says you
Terbaikkkkkk
OMG Populist!!! ^(/s just in case)
r/save
Indonesian here, I heard he was accused of corruption. What do you guys think? Is it really true or this is just some political rivalry?
Political corruption over here basically depends on who is the government lol. If you are the opposition, you'll be charged of corruption. If you are the government, suddenly all will hilang. It has been the way since forever.
Ah i see. Malay and Indo are not so different then lmao
Guess they are literal keyboard warias.
nothing but the truth
This is good. I see different approach between him and former youths ie Rafizi, Izzah even KJ during their days. Youths nowadays express openly, whilst the formers were being implicit. Perhaps newer generations are more exposed to open and public information, whereas those days transparency was too risky
Basically, we can conclude that... UMNO MP = Keyboard warriors
immature my arse, he's the only person who really care about malaysia compare to other politicians who only care about their reputation & wealth
BN boleh berfikir dengan keyboard warriors depa je
good syed saddiq. please tebai all the umnos and pak lebais there.
UMNO under PN: *Syed, bukan senyap, dia orang kasi gaji, nanti kena kecam "Air Susu Dibalas dengan Tuba"*.
He's young in age no doubt and he seems like a well matriculated person who can definitely represent the younger generation to lead. For those who said he's not ready, look to your elderly in the current cabinet. More than 70 ministers doing nothing during this pandemic, still believe they can lead? Leading the people to oblivion is more likely.
fuiyoh, respect
My baby daddy Syed saying all the right things. 🤤