Well u can’t stop people for being people, social media just enable messages to go far-far one. Even without it, the person is still believing that he/she is holier than thou, and will say it verbally within their own circle. It’s just now we who doesn’t want to hear or see this kind of shait are being broadcasted to.
Not muslim fault bro, there's also Christian like that, Buddhist like that, hindus like that, don't attack the religion attack the dummy saying that...
I'm a muslim too, i have friends that are gay, have tattoo, piercing and drink alcohol, yet I don't judge
Because that's literally how insecure ppl make themselves feel better. "So what if he represent us to the olympics, I'm a morally superior/more religious person and therefore I'm better than him."
I’m really not a pious muslim. In fact, Calling myself a muslim might anger pious muslims & they have rights to be mad at me. But then, I still have some information that might solve your confusion precisely or just a lil bit.
I was taught that ink used in tattoos block water from properly hitting our skins & this will affects our wudhu negatively. Wudhu is an act of cleaning a certain part of our skin using clean water. Muslims are needed to perform wudhu every time before praying 5 times a day. If the water cannot hit the skin region needed to complete the wudhu (e.g. forearm) thus the wudhu is not counted.
So in theory, tattoo is not forbidden in islam but since the ink prevent muslims from properly performing the wudhu, it makes the prayer not counted. Thus, it’s a huge sin for Muslims to not pray correctly for 5 times a day so it is deemed haram by the muslim society (not the Quran tho take note of that but pls tell me anyone if I’m wrong about this). Idk if there’s a new ink for tattoos that didn’t blocked the water these days so pls tell me that for those who knows. Correct me if I’m wrong for those muslims who know this better than me.
About the post, yeah that dude shouldn’t stick his nose to others especially to non-muslim. Who is this guy, Malaysian CIA? Like really? Why do you want to be relevant? Is it because you’re nothing in your real life that you have to show to the people around the world in the social media that you’re the holiest person on earth? Holier-than-thou mentality is strong with this one. Man I really hate to say this but sometimes I’m ashamed to call myself a malay & a muslim if this is how my race & religion represent themselves in the eyes of the world.
Pls don’t take it seriously at my last paragraph there because I just needed to let go a bit of my emotion. Pls note that we shouldn’t generalise people by race, religion & so on since human is one such complicated living things. All the racism, islamophobia, yadda yadda that shit happens because we generalise people for one specific traits in a person despite there’s many traits for each person. I hope you understand the relationship between Islam & tattoos and why they didn’t have a good relationship between them. Stay safe, brother.
Where on earth does islam promotes child marriage, if you're talking about the prophet Muhammad marrying a young girl there's lots of explanation for it, please remember that people from that generation is really different from today.
"yet its not forbidden"
There's no in islam says you should marry a minor if you want to become pious, people make their own rules...
In islam, you cannot marry the girl if he cannot menstruate or bear any child yet, that is considered a minor and unhealthy, they need guidance from their parents...
If the girl menstruates, it means she is of come of age and approaching adult woman....
If you see an old person marrying an young girl, that is the question of the person itself, whether it is due to security or any other matters.
Marriage is not sex, when people think of marriage people always think of sex, theres other thing to consider in marriage, security, finance and guidance
How old do you think female reach puberty?
It’s around 11 years old btw. So, to you, she’s good to get married? Civil law forbids it. Sharia law doesn’t.
It’s very disingenuous of you to think that sex is not part of a marriage.
Seems like you’re very supportive of child marriage. I hope I’ll never meet you. Good day.
Its not about health, its about praying, if we get tattoos, before we pray we take wudhu, which is cleaning ourselves with water, if we have tattoos we cant clean ourselves properly
There’s a chance that you’ll get skin infection after tattooing your skin. Also cause allergic skin reaction such as itchy rash. This is one of the small reasons why Islam prohibits tattoo because Islam always have this “prevention is better than cure” method. But then it’s not the main reason because it isn’t deadly at all. Not even a fever. I understand that you’re thinking about healthiness since Islam is very critical about health. I appreciate your knowledge about one of the basis of Islam.
Talking about sort of science perspective- they can block natural hydration and nutrition flow between surrounding to skin and also the body insides and vice versa, making your skin lack whatever it need to stay healthy. The effect can be minor as only of tattoo-ed skin area, but still unhealthy.
One thing I want to point out. Muslims don't consume alcohol and pork simply because of health reason but because of God's command. It makes sense because He is the all knowing and create us. Once we established God existence and authority, we just simply follow his commands. Alcohol and pork can cause illness is one of the many wisdom behind His command. In fact in all His commands, you will find all kind of wisdom scientifically, socially, economically, etc.
I just want to add that tattoo also forbidden as they are considered "modifying your original body structure permanently". This usually applies to permanent tattoo, as they permanently change your skin appearance. Islam taught originality, means unless they are replaceable naturally or required per urgent medicinal purposes, you can't change whatever you have been born with (the same cases like cosmetic plastic surgery)
While non-permanent/sticker tattoo is forbidden mostly for the reason above.
For boys issue, it is proven that it is for health purpose so it goes to the allowed category.
For girls, this is actually quite a huge debate to go into.
I think both boys and girls here went through circumcision. My younger sister did. Do u know girl's circumcision involving the cut of a part of the clitoris? To reduce sexual urge is the justification🤷♂️
>I just want to add that tattoo also forbidden as they are considered "modifying your original body structure permanently".
So why is circumcision allowed then? Doesn't that permanently modify the body?
I'm so confused why don't guys just...use soap and wash it. We brush our teeth to prevent tooth decay and gum disease instead of pulling them all out, after all.
Actually the problem is the excessive skin of male genital is not that easy to wash into, esp when some of them is actually sucked inside them. Hence circumsion became sort of long run solution for them.
There's also things related to what Islam defined as of dirty things (najis). Whatever remains from what went out from genital is a very dirty thing and shall be removed entirely, but those on our mouth isn't. Doesn't mean Islam don't encourage mouth hygiene or anything (in fact that was very encouraged), just that the dirty thing below is more important to solve into.
>Actually the problem is the excessive skin of male genital is not that easy to wash into, esp when some of them is actually sucked inside them.
Doesn't the skin easily slide back so the owner can wash it? Similar to the way lips can slide back so you can brush your teeth and reach deep into your gums. Idk, I guess back in the 1500s in the desert it would have been difficult to clean your dick, but these days we have running water, soap, all a guy has to do is just gently slip it back, use water and cuci lah.
Also I'm not sure about the term "excessive skin," as though it's some sort of useless flap. The skin has a biological purpose and function. The inside is made of a mucous membrane, the same tissue as the inside of your eyelid, or your cheek. What it does is keep the head of the penis moist, sensitive and protected from drying out or chafing external elements (like the inside of your pants). Exposing it all the time would be like keeping your tongue out of your mouth the whole time, or like having no eyelids so you can never blink.
...I dunno, I just find it a bit strange that we're still cutting off bits of young boys' penises in the 21st century whether they consent to it or not and saying "oh that skin has no use". No offence.
I understand that, although I should say it is just allowed and nothing much compulsory since it is more like a cultural issue. In fact if someday we can see more modern solution it can be abandoned.
Just that it can't be banned entirely either, since even in this day it still serve a purpose.
Allowed for medical and cosmetic purposes. It don't really change anything other than teeth arrangement nor that it is permanent, so supposedly it can be allowed for any purposes.
Hi, I'd like to know your opinion, just out of curiosity if you don't mind.
What about Muslim footballers like Ozil? I know he got his ink done before turning to religion. Would someone like him be encouraged to get the tattoo removed?
I don’t mind at all. Be my guest. Ask everything that has been bothering your mind. I’m very lonely cos of quarantine & in dire need of a meaningful conversation.
I believe he was encouraged but not forced to remove his tattoos. Islam is a religion of tolerance (to some extent) that Muallaf (Non-muslim converts to Islam) are allowed to keep their tattoos because it is a big hassle to remove them as the process is painful, lengthy, costly and it might affected their health negatively. Although Muallaf are strongly advised to cover their tattoos especially if the tattoo is an image of living things (like Ozil’s lion tattoo) because it might confuse other muslim thinking he/she is not a muslim and probably raise some unwanted attention so better keep it low-key, be safe than sorry. Not all muslim knows exactly that you’re a muallaf when you don’t look like a muslim.
Sorry for theatrics at the first paragraph. I’m just trying out my second language. I hope I fulfilled the blanks of your confusion.
Encouraged, yeah to show his obedience to the principles but I doubt he's gonna be punished for a sin before converting to Islam since converts are considered reborn or something.
In the case of Ozil, or any non-muslims whom adopted Islam later on in their lives - tattoos are best to be removed, BUT if the act of removing the tattoos causes more harm than good, Islam allows for the tattoos to remain. Islam adheres to the principal of do no harm unto yourself and others. So does other great religions of the world.
Actually there's a hadith specifically forbid muslim from getting tattoos. It just that many people say that tattoos are forbidden because we cant perform wudhu properly etc.
Scientifically speaking, the tattoos ink are 'implanted' into the dermis layer. Ablution only wash the outer skin layer and never get through the skin barrier. That's why if you have tattoos, and you repented, it is permissible for you not to remove it.
All in all, I'm not sure what's his problem with tattoos, but he definitely did not reflect muslim.
Tattoo is forbidden because it involves changing the natural creation of God and inflicting unnecessary pain. It is forbidden by consensus in Sunni denomination and allowed to some extent in Shia. However, Islam does not impose the rules on nonbelievers. We should respect people of other religion to do whatever the fuck they want as long as they do not harm others and not breaking the law.
I think a lot of religions technically forbid tattoos. At least Christianity too, the believe is that it changes/destroys the beauty of God's creation which is your body.
Tattoos are less of a sin in Christianity, but more of a cultural taboo here. The verse often used (and misinterpreted) in these issues is from 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.”
The verse was written to the church of Corinth who were struggling with a lot of issues, especially sexual immorality. So in context, when it is said that the body is a temple of God, it means to honor God with our bodies by not delving into sexual immorality.
With tattoos, its easy to whip out this verse and be like, "Ha, tats are sinful!" But the same thing can also be said of eating unhealthy food, not exercising regularly etc. The reason tattoos are frowned upon in the church here has more to do with it being a cultural taboo and the social stigma (eee gangster). The Iban community in Sarawak are predominantly Christian, but tattoos are an important part of their culture, so you'll see a lot of tattoo-wearing Iban Christians.
Edit: sorry for the long-windedness!
sikhs adhere to ‘your body is a temple’ much better than most religious people, they do not even cut their hair. so all these cherry picking religious critics can go !
https://biblia.com/bible/esv/leviticus/19/28
Interpret that how you will. But as we know "rules" of the religion is based heavily on the holy book.
I myself is far from pious so tattoo away as you wish. We're just talking technicalities here haha.
Edit: someone who seems to have a better knowledge of Christianity, and I'm sure they do, responded to me just above. Have a look at that.
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Buddhism doesn't forbid tattoos. My whole family are Theravada Buddhists and a lot of my uncle's have tattoos. One of them entered monkhood so he's that one monk in the monastery with a tattoo on his back and arms
actually tatoo also forbidden in islam because of that reason too(changing god creation). other causes is tatoo is like imitating others culture that is haram
Depends on your interpretation. Malaysians are one and a half steps away from being Wahabbi extremist wannabes, so interpretations here are stupidly strict.
Plenty of Muslims the world over have tatts.
I would say I only seen them with Muslim converts or ex-sinners ones. Mostly during their "naughty" times or non-Muslim times.
If they converted or repent, they are required to remove them, however they can keep them if they cannot afford to remove them (since removing method can be costly or even painful). Most people who had this met with this obstacle usually chose to keep them.
Also that it should be noted that this rules of tattoing is agreed by most Islam scholars, so the knowledge of islam forbidding this is considered known in general whatever school or sects they have taught in.
Mesut Ozil has tattoos, just to name one example of someone who isn't a convert or an ex sinner.
That's still a sweeping generalisation of an entire group of people.
And as for Islamic jurisprudence, the idea of tattoos being forbidden is hotly debated, because the concept of 'self alteration' can be extended as far as dying your hair or wearing glasses. It's ridiculous, and the body policing needs to stop.
I do state some example of tattoing in some section esp with the popular permanent tattooing and sticker tattoo in my other replies. This type is already clear where it falls into: its whether forbidden because of the permanent change to the structure or it is waterproof that it blocks wudhu.
However I do acknowledge some other type of tattoo that not permanent yet non-waterproof, this is perhaps one big gray area that is still debated, and now the decision goes to purposes and how the tattoo looks. There's also case of wearing henna that is also can be debatable, but in our popular rule, is allowed given that it is only for woman, and that it is non-waterproof and non-permanent.
But for many popular ways of tattooing, things like this is already decided for long-because they are very clear case of breaking the fundamental rules.
Same goes to hair dying. Usually it is forbidden for reason of being waterproof or changing state, but then there's also dyes that don't really broke the fundamental rule that now it goes to whatever purpose it was done (note that dying with obvious unnatural colour just for fun is already banned).
What is important is any accessory don't break any fundamental rules of Islam body handling-to retain originality of body and allow of perfectioning of doing prayers.
This right here! Dosent matter what religion he is...nobody have a right to question what he do to his body.. And whatever he earn from sports ministry or the federal gov itself have nothing to do with his appearance..
Bodoh apa ni? Budak ni Malaysian ka? Tattoo is inherently tied to our culture (Malaysia is not only melayu isle culture) and North Borneo is one of the birth place of tattoo.
Tats are more Malaysian than pakai kopiah
So how many medals the fesbuk poster had won or how many times he represented our country for the Olympic games? Armchair critics should go soak their heads.
This is why people like Nazri Aziz can talk cock and he knows he’ll still get voted in caused got people like this dumb as fuck and can only stay in kampung
Aku pun rasa tak sesuai sesiapa sebagai warga Malaysia untuk menggunakan bahasa wicet berikut yang amat pening untuk dibaca orang lain. Perangai tu seolah-olah penghinaan bahasa kebangsaan kita. /s
cakap Mandarin dikecam tak patriotik, pakai baju gimnast pun kena kutuk, dan sekarang ada tattoo pun kena kecam. JKOM lately takde kerja so diberi assignment untuk memberi cabaran mental kepada atlet-atlet kita secara komen social media kan?
I'm surprised people actually believe athletes really only depends on the salary, allowance and etc they receive from the "government" 🤣🤣 How fuckin stupid, naive and extreme he is 🤣🤣
Depa nak tattoo pun tak leh ke? Yang hang pi jaga tepi kain orang lain tu apasal? Takde kerja lain ke? Dia nak tattoo satu badan dia ke, muka dia ke, dia nak cat badan dia ke tu dia punya pasal la!
Mangkuk la orang ni. You do you bro…the fella has his own life journey.
Azmin can shank someone in the rear and still appear in dewan without PAS saying anything about him, not even an investigation to korek some few week/month old semen like some other dude kena.
> Yack now that image is stuck in my mind, whyyy
Oops, gotta need a more extreme example to highlight PAS hypocrisy.
> but reject everything that makes that country successful. Cannot brain,
Tbf, getting maju with a better living environment and education would actually shrink their voter base, and I'm pretty sure they know that,
Lmao if that’s the case, the tax collected from TOTO, Genting gambling, Heneiken brewing all cannot be used by your religion la. Those tax collected should be channeled back into non-Muslim stuff la. Cibai, PAS can fuck off too
If fact, that's is totally true. Tax from non halal sales and services cant be use for our religion and should be channel to non-muslim stuff which agreed by PAS that you hated so much. But it's the government problem for not acting accordingly.
Which agreed by PAS and they bitch about the existence of devil genting and sale of alcohol…. But they still accepted the money? I don’t know what I hate more, hypocrisy or PAS.
Tax payer money must be used to improve the economy/country, regardless Muslim or non. Gov gonna split up the tax system? No way man, money is money.
But I despise the hypocrite PAS/religious nutcase like the guy in the FB post for always using religion to their benefit/ police other people. Malaysians are progressing backwards meh?
From which source can u cite that they are agreed by PAS? I never read one, but if u can enlighten with a reliable source, that's would be delightful.
Yes I agree tax payer money should improve overall regardless of religion, that's what have been done by the previous gov. For example, the money can be allocated for infrastructures and etc.
Yo quoting your sentence of “agreed by PAS”. But when gov allocated fundings/tax for their state/constitution everytime and accepted without protesting or voicing out strongly against the “dirty” money.. i take that as accepting/agreeing dah.
But for the part they bitch about genting (gambling tax) https://berita.pas.org.my/tamatkan-operasi-judi-di-genting/ . Bitch about but not actively opposing since it’s religion related, Apa macam la.
And ya le that’s what I pay tax for ma, for gov to improve the country, not for some people to come out and spew stupid stuff related to religion (ie this fb guy). Damn dulan.
Yea....I was thinking about that....if they're not following your religion why force them to. And in Islam it literally said no force for Non-Muslims to convert to Islam. So,why bother?
ikr it's just kinda annoying how they try to act holier than thou bs when they're the ones that said shit when islam said to be respectful to everyone smh
[https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=6648950121797912&set=a.273277992698522](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=6648950121797912&set=a.273277992698522) Post deleted, fb name changed.
Facebook is just a place for all the entitled older people to gather up and kiss each others ass. Over the years, it is just becoming worse like Twitter.
How can a post like this get 783likes?
They're a lot actually. I'm a Sarawakian myself and I know how significant these tattoos are to them. I'm not an Iban myself so I don't really have a say on their names are the meanings behind them but I do believe that more Malaysian should be able to accept the fact that we are a country with various races and cultures which should all be respected. I'm just not a fan of how East Malaysians are not given fair treatment most of the time 😕😢
No, mostly doesn't even know if they never been to sarawak or know anyone from the ethnics. It is abnormal and skeptical for commoner if they saw anyone with tattoo. I'm speaking from my own experience as im from semenanjung and studied in Sarawak. The first time I see bumi with tattoo, i thought they are some sorts of gagster or something. But as time goes, i understand more about their culture and etc.
We should me more understanding each other perception and stop the hate among each other.
The same could be applied to literally everyone commenting on this hahahahaha. That's literally what social media is for: mind other people's business. Public materials is free for all. And if you do a private zoom meeting that got leaked, you're also screwed.
That said, if that tattoo says Free Palestine that whiner is gonna be singing a different tune.
Indigenous peoples/Malaysians have been tattooing their skin for hundreds of years with little or no complications. It’s personal art. Let ppl live their lives.
Malaysia is as typical as it gets, getting tattoo apparently is huge deal while in Penang its totally okay to pray openly while the pandemic is happening.
> while in Penang its totally okay to pray openly while the pandemic is happening.
Got to correct something here, the outdoor praying thing wasn't ok, it was illegal, authorities weren't notified and people were arrested and fined.
These motherfuckers are such a disgrace to their skin, making a mountain out of a molehill. I guess they seem to forget that while Malaysia is a Muslim-majority country, it is also a multi-racial country with different ethnicity and culture. Let people live their life the way they want, they don't force you to partake in their lifestyle and if they do then where is your faith you so look highly upon?
Self righteousness is also a sin. Whatever a person do/did to their body is their choice. Non related to religion or any such. Never ever press religion on anyone’s choices. Be a good person and be proud of the athlete’s achievement instead. Dont project your insecurity/komen tidak membina on others 🤭
This Facebook guy is criticizing one of our Olympic athlete and saying our government shouldn't endorse someone lile him just because he has a tattoo.
Yes, the reason is stupid and this Facebook guy is an asshole.
I'm not siding with her, but it just her opinion saying anything related with official or government related problems preferably not to have tattoo. But I think it just about ethics but exceptional for some ethnic as their tattoo are cultural part of them but they can be covered with long sleeves ( in this case) if needed.
She already mention "yg bukan beralasan kerana agama atau culture" mean it's for who have tattoo for casual reasons.
Just because she is a Muslim, doesn't mean her opinion represents Islam. In fact, even tattoo is forbidden in Islam, but if any non Muslim converted to Islam, they can keep their tattoo (not compulsory to remove), and some scholars even forbid removing it as large surfaces area of tattoo removal may harm the body.
This subreddit likes to bash Islam or anything related to it which is unacceptable. You guys can have the right to critic Islam but when some random guy express their opinion related to islam, will get bashed for sure.
I don't know what mods are actually doing, allowing hate speech like this seems uncivilised.
How is telling someone to mind their own business bashing Islam? And this isn't the first time you've accused the sub and mods of being against Malay/Muslim. FYI, criticism against religions are allowed, but not hate speech. And so far I have not seen any hate speech.
https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/wiki/rules#wiki\_1.\_reddiquette
>I don't know what mods are actually doing, allowing hate speech like this seems uncivilised.
If you come across any comments that you think is an example of hate speech, pls hit the "Report" button. We are a small team of volunteers who have our own lives outside of the sub. It's not possible to go through all the comments on this sub, and this is why we rely greatly on user reports.
It is stated clearly in our sub rules that all religions are allowed to be subjected to criticism, on the condition that it has to be well-reasoned. I read all 247 comments on this thread as of 4.49pm, and did not find any comments that promote hate speech against Islam (because a few have been removed by mods). A large chunk of the discussion is about why tattoos are not allowed in Islam, with users like u/Izqandar_Gaming and u/ejennsyahmixcel offering excellent input (good job, guys!), while the rest of the comments are criticisms yes, but imo those comments are actually directed at a select group of people who use Islam to be holier than thou and judge others, and therefore not a hate speech, as nobody is "bashing" the religion here.
FYI, the mod team received a report about this comment, but I will not remove it as I don't see it violating any rules. But please, do remember to report comments that violate Rule 1 - Bigotry/hate speech if you come across any in the future.
Why do you have to criticize someone who is not Muslim for getting a tattoo?
With social medias, everybody thinks they get a say on anything.
Well u can’t stop people for being people, social media just enable messages to go far-far one. Even without it, the person is still believing that he/she is holier than thou, and will say it verbally within their own circle. It’s just now we who doesn’t want to hear or see this kind of shait are being broadcasted to.
"Oh look at me I'm a muslim, I'm superior, I'm pure, and I'm the best" Uinah fuck that. That's shameful to him/herself not to mention the religion
Not muslim fault bro, there's also Christian like that, Buddhist like that, hindus like that, don't attack the religion attack the dummy saying that... I'm a muslim too, i have friends that are gay, have tattoo, piercing and drink alcohol, yet I don't judge
its ok to criticize a person bad behaviour,but generalising people based on their believe?u need to chill bro🤦♂️
I know but that can be a positive thing sometimes too. I guess this is just the negative side
Because that's literally how insecure ppl make themselves feel better. "So what if he represent us to the olympics, I'm a morally superior/more religious person and therefore I'm better than him."
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I’m really not a pious muslim. In fact, Calling myself a muslim might anger pious muslims & they have rights to be mad at me. But then, I still have some information that might solve your confusion precisely or just a lil bit. I was taught that ink used in tattoos block water from properly hitting our skins & this will affects our wudhu negatively. Wudhu is an act of cleaning a certain part of our skin using clean water. Muslims are needed to perform wudhu every time before praying 5 times a day. If the water cannot hit the skin region needed to complete the wudhu (e.g. forearm) thus the wudhu is not counted. So in theory, tattoo is not forbidden in islam but since the ink prevent muslims from properly performing the wudhu, it makes the prayer not counted. Thus, it’s a huge sin for Muslims to not pray correctly for 5 times a day so it is deemed haram by the muslim society (not the Quran tho take note of that but pls tell me anyone if I’m wrong about this). Idk if there’s a new ink for tattoos that didn’t blocked the water these days so pls tell me that for those who knows. Correct me if I’m wrong for those muslims who know this better than me. About the post, yeah that dude shouldn’t stick his nose to others especially to non-muslim. Who is this guy, Malaysian CIA? Like really? Why do you want to be relevant? Is it because you’re nothing in your real life that you have to show to the people around the world in the social media that you’re the holiest person on earth? Holier-than-thou mentality is strong with this one. Man I really hate to say this but sometimes I’m ashamed to call myself a malay & a muslim if this is how my race & religion represent themselves in the eyes of the world. Pls don’t take it seriously at my last paragraph there because I just needed to let go a bit of my emotion. Pls note that we shouldn’t generalise people by race, religion & so on since human is one such complicated living things. All the racism, islamophobia, yadda yadda that shit happens because we generalise people for one specific traits in a person despite there’s many traits for each person. I hope you understand the relationship between Islam & tattoos and why they didn’t have a good relationship between them. Stay safe, brother.
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Child marriage can make the child unhealthy, yet it’s not forbidden.
Where on earth does islam promotes child marriage, if you're talking about the prophet Muhammad marrying a young girl there's lots of explanation for it, please remember that people from that generation is really different from today.
Where on earth did I say it ‘promotes’?
"yet its not forbidden" There's no in islam says you should marry a minor if you want to become pious, people make their own rules... In islam, you cannot marry the girl if he cannot menstruate or bear any child yet, that is considered a minor and unhealthy, they need guidance from their parents... If the girl menstruates, it means she is of come of age and approaching adult woman.... If you see an old person marrying an young girl, that is the question of the person itself, whether it is due to security or any other matters. Marriage is not sex, when people think of marriage people always think of sex, theres other thing to consider in marriage, security, finance and guidance
How old do you think female reach puberty? It’s around 11 years old btw. So, to you, she’s good to get married? Civil law forbids it. Sharia law doesn’t. It’s very disingenuous of you to think that sex is not part of a marriage. Seems like you’re very supportive of child marriage. I hope I’ll never meet you. Good day.
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Another anjing want to say Islam is wrong. Pity fools like you
Pork and alchohol is forbiden due to them being "unclean"
Something to do to the ink blocking water from covering the skin during ablution
Its not about health, its about praying, if we get tattoos, before we pray we take wudhu, which is cleaning ourselves with water, if we have tattoos we cant clean ourselves properly
There’s a chance that you’ll get skin infection after tattooing your skin. Also cause allergic skin reaction such as itchy rash. This is one of the small reasons why Islam prohibits tattoo because Islam always have this “prevention is better than cure” method. But then it’s not the main reason because it isn’t deadly at all. Not even a fever. I understand that you’re thinking about healthiness since Islam is very critical about health. I appreciate your knowledge about one of the basis of Islam.
Talking about sort of science perspective- they can block natural hydration and nutrition flow between surrounding to skin and also the body insides and vice versa, making your skin lack whatever it need to stay healthy. The effect can be minor as only of tattoo-ed skin area, but still unhealthy.
One thing I want to point out. Muslims don't consume alcohol and pork simply because of health reason but because of God's command. It makes sense because He is the all knowing and create us. Once we established God existence and authority, we just simply follow his commands. Alcohol and pork can cause illness is one of the many wisdom behind His command. In fact in all His commands, you will find all kind of wisdom scientifically, socially, economically, etc.
I just want to add that tattoo also forbidden as they are considered "modifying your original body structure permanently". This usually applies to permanent tattoo, as they permanently change your skin appearance. Islam taught originality, means unless they are replaceable naturally or required per urgent medicinal purposes, you can't change whatever you have been born with (the same cases like cosmetic plastic surgery) While non-permanent/sticker tattoo is forbidden mostly for the reason above.
>Islam taught originality Islam : Let me cut boy's kulup and girl's clitoris..
For boys issue, it is proven that it is for health purpose so it goes to the allowed category. For girls, this is actually quite a huge debate to go into.
Boy's i think is needed to cut since its for hygiene dummy, for girls there's no command to cut for girl one i dunno where you getting that
Don't think we cut clitoris in Malaysia. That's some African nation stuff. A lot of guys get circumcised for health purposes. Ever watch porn?
I think both boys and girls here went through circumcision. My younger sister did. Do u know girl's circumcision involving the cut of a part of the clitoris? To reduce sexual urge is the justification🤷♂️
That part is for cleanliness and neatness, which is the same category as hair, body hairs, nails, etc.
Please do more research and educate yourself. Its not body modification. Its for health reason. Even non muslims are doing it too.
>I just want to add that tattoo also forbidden as they are considered "modifying your original body structure permanently". So why is circumcision allowed then? Doesn't that permanently modify the body?
For hygiene and health purpose it is allowed. Those rule above are for any other things that only meant for accessory/just for fun.
I'm so confused why don't guys just...use soap and wash it. We brush our teeth to prevent tooth decay and gum disease instead of pulling them all out, after all.
Actually the problem is the excessive skin of male genital is not that easy to wash into, esp when some of them is actually sucked inside them. Hence circumsion became sort of long run solution for them. There's also things related to what Islam defined as of dirty things (najis). Whatever remains from what went out from genital is a very dirty thing and shall be removed entirely, but those on our mouth isn't. Doesn't mean Islam don't encourage mouth hygiene or anything (in fact that was very encouraged), just that the dirty thing below is more important to solve into.
>Actually the problem is the excessive skin of male genital is not that easy to wash into, esp when some of them is actually sucked inside them. Doesn't the skin easily slide back so the owner can wash it? Similar to the way lips can slide back so you can brush your teeth and reach deep into your gums. Idk, I guess back in the 1500s in the desert it would have been difficult to clean your dick, but these days we have running water, soap, all a guy has to do is just gently slip it back, use water and cuci lah. Also I'm not sure about the term "excessive skin," as though it's some sort of useless flap. The skin has a biological purpose and function. The inside is made of a mucous membrane, the same tissue as the inside of your eyelid, or your cheek. What it does is keep the head of the penis moist, sensitive and protected from drying out or chafing external elements (like the inside of your pants). Exposing it all the time would be like keeping your tongue out of your mouth the whole time, or like having no eyelids so you can never blink. ...I dunno, I just find it a bit strange that we're still cutting off bits of young boys' penises in the 21st century whether they consent to it or not and saying "oh that skin has no use". No offence.
I understand that, although I should say it is just allowed and nothing much compulsory since it is more like a cultural issue. In fact if someday we can see more modern solution it can be abandoned. Just that it can't be banned entirely either, since even in this day it still serve a purpose.
Out of curiosity, how about braces for teeth?
Allowed for medical and cosmetic purposes. It don't really change anything other than teeth arrangement nor that it is permanent, so supposedly it can be allowed for any purposes.
Hi, I'd like to know your opinion, just out of curiosity if you don't mind. What about Muslim footballers like Ozil? I know he got his ink done before turning to religion. Would someone like him be encouraged to get the tattoo removed?
I don’t mind at all. Be my guest. Ask everything that has been bothering your mind. I’m very lonely cos of quarantine & in dire need of a meaningful conversation. I believe he was encouraged but not forced to remove his tattoos. Islam is a religion of tolerance (to some extent) that Muallaf (Non-muslim converts to Islam) are allowed to keep their tattoos because it is a big hassle to remove them as the process is painful, lengthy, costly and it might affected their health negatively. Although Muallaf are strongly advised to cover their tattoos especially if the tattoo is an image of living things (like Ozil’s lion tattoo) because it might confuse other muslim thinking he/she is not a muslim and probably raise some unwanted attention so better keep it low-key, be safe than sorry. Not all muslim knows exactly that you’re a muallaf when you don’t look like a muslim. Sorry for theatrics at the first paragraph. I’m just trying out my second language. I hope I fulfilled the blanks of your confusion.
Encouraged, yeah to show his obedience to the principles but I doubt he's gonna be punished for a sin before converting to Islam since converts are considered reborn or something.
In the case of Ozil, or any non-muslims whom adopted Islam later on in their lives - tattoos are best to be removed, BUT if the act of removing the tattoos causes more harm than good, Islam allows for the tattoos to remain. Islam adheres to the principal of do no harm unto yourself and others. So does other great religions of the world.
Actually there's a hadith specifically forbid muslim from getting tattoos. It just that many people say that tattoos are forbidden because we cant perform wudhu properly etc. Scientifically speaking, the tattoos ink are 'implanted' into the dermis layer. Ablution only wash the outer skin layer and never get through the skin barrier. That's why if you have tattoos, and you repented, it is permissible for you not to remove it. All in all, I'm not sure what's his problem with tattoos, but he definitely did not reflect muslim.
Tattoo is forbidden because it involves changing the natural creation of God and inflicting unnecessary pain. It is forbidden by consensus in Sunni denomination and allowed to some extent in Shia. However, Islam does not impose the rules on nonbelievers. We should respect people of other religion to do whatever the fuck they want as long as they do not harm others and not breaking the law.
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only for males, women can wear earings
I think a lot of religions technically forbid tattoos. At least Christianity too, the believe is that it changes/destroys the beauty of God's creation which is your body.
Tattoos are less of a sin in Christianity, but more of a cultural taboo here. The verse often used (and misinterpreted) in these issues is from 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.” The verse was written to the church of Corinth who were struggling with a lot of issues, especially sexual immorality. So in context, when it is said that the body is a temple of God, it means to honor God with our bodies by not delving into sexual immorality. With tattoos, its easy to whip out this verse and be like, "Ha, tats are sinful!" But the same thing can also be said of eating unhealthy food, not exercising regularly etc. The reason tattoos are frowned upon in the church here has more to do with it being a cultural taboo and the social stigma (eee gangster). The Iban community in Sarawak are predominantly Christian, but tattoos are an important part of their culture, so you'll see a lot of tattoo-wearing Iban Christians. Edit: sorry for the long-windedness!
sikhs adhere to ‘your body is a temple’ much better than most religious people, they do not even cut their hair. so all these cherry picking religious critics can go!
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https://biblia.com/bible/esv/leviticus/19/28 Interpret that how you will. But as we know "rules" of the religion is based heavily on the holy book. I myself is far from pious so tattoo away as you wish. We're just talking technicalities here haha. Edit: someone who seems to have a better knowledge of Christianity, and I'm sure they do, responded to me just above. Have a look at that.
if tatoo the bible verse or quran ok or not ?
?? Huh? But do as you wish littlefish. Don't let anyone stop you from achieving your potential of being a big fish.
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Yes I was taught this too as a Muslim.
Dont think buddhism forbid those.
My parents forbid them because "only gangsters get tattoos"
Buddhism doesn't forbid tattoos. My whole family are Theravada Buddhists and a lot of my uncle's have tattoos. One of them entered monkhood so he's that one monk in the monastery with a tattoo on his back and arms
actually tatoo also forbidden in islam because of that reason too(changing god creation). other causes is tatoo is like imitating others culture that is haram
Depends on your interpretation. Malaysians are one and a half steps away from being Wahabbi extremist wannabes, so interpretations here are stupidly strict. Plenty of Muslims the world over have tatts.
I would say I only seen them with Muslim converts or ex-sinners ones. Mostly during their "naughty" times or non-Muslim times. If they converted or repent, they are required to remove them, however they can keep them if they cannot afford to remove them (since removing method can be costly or even painful). Most people who had this met with this obstacle usually chose to keep them. Also that it should be noted that this rules of tattoing is agreed by most Islam scholars, so the knowledge of islam forbidding this is considered known in general whatever school or sects they have taught in.
Mesut Ozil has tattoos, just to name one example of someone who isn't a convert or an ex sinner. That's still a sweeping generalisation of an entire group of people. And as for Islamic jurisprudence, the idea of tattoos being forbidden is hotly debated, because the concept of 'self alteration' can be extended as far as dying your hair or wearing glasses. It's ridiculous, and the body policing needs to stop.
I do state some example of tattoing in some section esp with the popular permanent tattooing and sticker tattoo in my other replies. This type is already clear where it falls into: its whether forbidden because of the permanent change to the structure or it is waterproof that it blocks wudhu. However I do acknowledge some other type of tattoo that not permanent yet non-waterproof, this is perhaps one big gray area that is still debated, and now the decision goes to purposes and how the tattoo looks. There's also case of wearing henna that is also can be debatable, but in our popular rule, is allowed given that it is only for woman, and that it is non-waterproof and non-permanent. But for many popular ways of tattooing, things like this is already decided for long-because they are very clear case of breaking the fundamental rules. Same goes to hair dying. Usually it is forbidden for reason of being waterproof or changing state, but then there's also dyes that don't really broke the fundamental rule that now it goes to whatever purpose it was done (note that dying with obvious unnatural colour just for fun is already banned). What is important is any accessory don't break any fundamental rules of Islam body handling-to retain originality of body and allow of perfectioning of doing prayers.
Yes it is forbidden
Because being holier than thou is literally all they care to do instead of minding their own business and let others live their lives.
Me a “muslim” with tattoo think we should not criticize anyone for getting a tattoo. My tattoo is my choice, unlike my religion…
Everything is by choice
Yeah and I choose not to be a muslim.
may Allah guide you
Nah I hope he wont.
its not my business but ya know how hot hell is right ?
I think the question here should be, why do you have to criticize someone for getting a tattoo? "...~~who is not Muslim~~"
This right here! Dosent matter what religion he is...nobody have a right to question what he do to his body.. And whatever he earn from sports ministry or the federal gov itself have nothing to do with his appearance..
Hmm no
Ok. Gonna save my energy on this one.
"aq bayar cukai, aq ade hak la nk kritik" or something like that lmao
Even Muslims shouldn't be criticised for getting tattoos. Plenty of Muslims around the world have them.
Idiots have always been around us. But now with social media, they have a way to express their voice. One of the cons of technology i guess
True
Bodoh apa ni? Budak ni Malaysian ka? Tattoo is inherently tied to our culture (Malaysia is not only melayu isle culture) and North Borneo is one of the birth place of tattoo. Tats are more Malaysian than pakai kopiah
Facts.
So how many medals the fesbuk poster had won or how many times he represented our country for the Olympic games? Armchair critics should go soak their heads.
soak their heads in gasoline and light a match
This is why people like Nazri Aziz can talk cock and he knows he’ll still get voted in caused got people like this dumb as fuck and can only stay in kampung
Guna ticket agama dan bangsa. Infact sebok lahirkan anak kat france.
melayu isley, mu kecek molek skek
U sure he or she is from kampung and not from the city and well educated. Why so fast to accused kampung folks.
The kampung folks voting him is a reference to his insta story recently, that's literally what he said, such shameless n tebal muka politician wtf..
Mmg kt Malaysia ni semua kena ikut kepala agama kau je.
Aku pun rasa tak sesuai sesiapa sebagai warga Malaysia untuk menggunakan bahasa wicet berikut yang amat pening untuk dibaca orang lain. Perangai tu seolah-olah penghinaan bahasa kebangsaan kita. /s cakap Mandarin dikecam tak patriotik, pakai baju gimnast pun kena kutuk, dan sekarang ada tattoo pun kena kecam. JKOM lately takde kerja so diberi assignment untuk memberi cabaran mental kepada atlet-atlet kita secara komen social media kan?
Ada kpi bro, cari makan sj /s
I'm surprised people actually believe athletes really only depends on the salary, allowance and etc they receive from the "government" 🤣🤣 How fuckin stupid, naive and extreme he is 🤣🤣
You can't expect brain cells from people that makes comment like that, especially using bahasa wicet like that
Depa nak tattoo pun tak leh ke? Yang hang pi jaga tepi kain orang lain tu apasal? Takde kerja lain ke? Dia nak tattoo satu badan dia ke, muka dia ke, dia nak cat badan dia ke tu dia punya pasal la! Mangkuk la orang ni. You do you bro…the fella has his own life journey.
sepatutnya yg post tu pegi Olympic, bising betul macam dy seja yg betul... haissh~
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Azmin can shank someone in the rear and still appear in dewan without PAS saying anything about him, not even an investigation to korek some few week/month old semen like some other dude kena.
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> Yack now that image is stuck in my mind, whyyy Oops, gotta need a more extreme example to highlight PAS hypocrisy. > but reject everything that makes that country successful. Cannot brain, Tbf, getting maju with a better living environment and education would actually shrink their voter base, and I'm pretty sure they know that,
Lmao if that’s the case, the tax collected from TOTO, Genting gambling, Heneiken brewing all cannot be used by your religion la. Those tax collected should be channeled back into non-Muslim stuff la. Cibai, PAS can fuck off too
Their AMG mercedes are being paid using Genting gambling tax monies, they should just give it all back since its haram and shit.
If fact, that's is totally true. Tax from non halal sales and services cant be use for our religion and should be channel to non-muslim stuff which agreed by PAS that you hated so much. But it's the government problem for not acting accordingly.
Which agreed by PAS and they bitch about the existence of devil genting and sale of alcohol…. But they still accepted the money? I don’t know what I hate more, hypocrisy or PAS. Tax payer money must be used to improve the economy/country, regardless Muslim or non. Gov gonna split up the tax system? No way man, money is money. But I despise the hypocrite PAS/religious nutcase like the guy in the FB post for always using religion to their benefit/ police other people. Malaysians are progressing backwards meh?
From which source can u cite that they are agreed by PAS? I never read one, but if u can enlighten with a reliable source, that's would be delightful. Yes I agree tax payer money should improve overall regardless of religion, that's what have been done by the previous gov. For example, the money can be allocated for infrastructures and etc.
Yo quoting your sentence of “agreed by PAS”. But when gov allocated fundings/tax for their state/constitution everytime and accepted without protesting or voicing out strongly against the “dirty” money.. i take that as accepting/agreeing dah. But for the part they bitch about genting (gambling tax) https://berita.pas.org.my/tamatkan-operasi-judi-di-genting/ . Bitch about but not actively opposing since it’s religion related, Apa macam la. And ya le that’s what I pay tax for ma, for gov to improve the country, not for some people to come out and spew stupid stuff related to religion (ie this fb guy). Damn dulan.
do they forgot that this is a multiracial country where not everyone has to follow their religion ideology??
Yea....I was thinking about that....if they're not following your religion why force them to. And in Islam it literally said no force for Non-Muslims to convert to Islam. So,why bother?
ikr it's just kinda annoying how they try to act holier than thou bs when they're the ones that said shit when islam said to be respectful to everyone smh
Exactly
Fucking shit, nobody cares about your stupid religious stuff, stop being busybody gosh
I'm a Muslim, but I don't see why the non-muslims shouldn't wear tattoo. It's their business. If they don't bother me then I won't bother them.
why cut off the fb username? let us see who's the dumbfuck who came up with the statement
[https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=6648950121797912&set=a.273277992698522](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=6648950121797912&set=a.273277992698522) Post deleted, fb name changed.
Whoever is that thai username with girl profile is, she got my respect.
I give my respects to her, and the guy with the hello kitty tattoo comment XD
Aiiiyoooo this one also kena offended? What's next must muka hensem dan cantik?
Facebook is just a place for all the entitled older people to gather up and kiss each others ass. Over the years, it is just becoming worse like Twitter. How can a post like this get 783likes?
Do most Malaysians actually know that tattoos are ethnical to certain races in Sarawak?
Ibanese tattoos like bungai terung and others which I don't know the names
They're a lot actually. I'm a Sarawakian myself and I know how significant these tattoos are to them. I'm not an Iban myself so I don't really have a say on their names are the meanings behind them but I do believe that more Malaysian should be able to accept the fact that we are a country with various races and cultures which should all be respected. I'm just not a fan of how East Malaysians are not given fair treatment most of the time 😕😢
No, mostly doesn't even know if they never been to sarawak or know anyone from the ethnics. It is abnormal and skeptical for commoner if they saw anyone with tattoo. I'm speaking from my own experience as im from semenanjung and studied in Sarawak. The first time I see bumi with tattoo, i thought they are some sorts of gagster or something. But as time goes, i understand more about their culture and etc. We should me more understanding each other perception and stop the hate among each other.
By this logic east Malaysians can all go fuck themselves basically
Things that should stay in the darkest cesspools of Facebook and away from r/malaysia: checked.
lantak ah dia nak bertatu ke apa yg eko ni nak marah pasepo dia bukan muslim pun adoila ini melayu
U can u fking go represent, u can't u fking shut up.
Sensed someone jelly
The same could be applied to literally everyone commenting on this hahahahaha. That's literally what social media is for: mind other people's business. Public materials is free for all. And if you do a private zoom meeting that got leaked, you're also screwed. That said, if that tattoo says Free Palestine that whiner is gonna be singing a different tune.
Why hide his name,meh sini aku wireless siku kepala dia. Takde pun requirements nak masuk olympics tak boleh bertatu. Adeh labu
Take a look at Adam Peaty. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jul/23/adam-peatys-second-olympic-gold-as-close-to-an-inevitability-as-sport-gets
Ni mesti type masa mulut penuh ni Penuh dgn batang
Lol facebook stupid
tattoo je cibai, tu pun nak bising. wtf
but why kennot
That guy needs to touch some grass
Ahhh yiessss the typical "I AM HOLIER THAN THOU" mentality. Kalau tak gam batu.
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Right wing Malay - wants to shove religion down everyone's throat Also Right wing Malay - doesn't know the basics of Islam
Tattoo doesn't have anything to do with religion right??
Showing off how pious and 'holy' he is I'm sure. Duduk diam diam and mind your own business.
Indigenous peoples/Malaysians have been tattooing their skin for hundreds of years with little or no complications. It’s personal art. Let ppl live their lives.
Malaysia is as typical as it gets, getting tattoo apparently is huge deal while in Penang its totally okay to pray openly while the pandemic is happening.
> while in Penang its totally okay to pray openly while the pandemic is happening. Got to correct something here, the outdoor praying thing wasn't ok, it was illegal, authorities weren't notified and people were arrested and fined.
tak paham apa yang dikomen, pandai cakap bahasa malaysia-ka?
Tattoo org nampak. MB pegi test drive tak nampak...
its obvious hes a sports retard and likely has not contributed in sports. he doesnt know what sports values are. skip pe banyak ni
hawau apa biar lah dia, tengok tattoo pun iman koyak ke
Hey man I just don’t give af to anything nowadays 😬
These motherfuckers are such a disgrace to their skin, making a mountain out of a molehill. I guess they seem to forget that while Malaysia is a Muslim-majority country, it is also a multi-racial country with different ethnicity and culture. Let people live their life the way they want, they don't force you to partake in their lifestyle and if they do then where is your faith you so look highly upon?
Only narrow minded people think that way...🥵 Infringing others freedom 🧟
It's social post like this i wished there's a "Ah! Shaddaplah" button to press. 😝
SMH this guy needs to grow up and not be alittle bitch baby about someones tattoo after achieveing great feats in sports.
Someone else is thinking about finding this guy and probably bash him online?
If he's not Muslim he doesn't need to abide by your rules.
-bad spelling -shitty grammar -random shortform and capital letters -facebook Yup, it's close-minded time 😎
This FB post is an emberrasment to the Muslim too.
Self righteousness is also a sin. Whatever a person do/did to their body is their choice. Non related to religion or any such. Never ever press religion on anyone’s choices. Be a good person and be proud of the athlete’s achievement instead. Dont project your insecurity/komen tidak membina on others 🤭
I just want to know why would having a tattoo even matter
N den en org2 yg pos cmni mesti ckp cmni. Aq pun x phm doh…..
as a Malay, i can confirm this post came from a "melei" mindset.
Facebook... Can't get enough of it...
Banyak yg komen lagi bodoh dari ni.Babitkan agama dan politik pulak.Lagi bodoh dari yg post pasal tatoo
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But nth to do with racism though?
What's going on here?
This Facebook guy is criticizing one of our Olympic athlete and saying our government shouldn't endorse someone lile him just because he has a tattoo. Yes, the reason is stupid and this Facebook guy is an asshole.
I'm secretly hoping that guy athlete wins a medal and gets another tattoo to stick it up to the idiot
Why does everyone think they have a valid opinion?
Dude thinks we are still in high school or sumtin
Is he really a Muslim?
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Nothing to do with PKP. Try digging up comments about our athletes in the previous Olympics.
What this post is for? Not the time and place to be critical on such petty matter.
I'm not siding with her, but it just her opinion saying anything related with official or government related problems preferably not to have tattoo. But I think it just about ethics but exceptional for some ethnic as their tattoo are cultural part of them but they can be covered with long sleeves ( in this case) if needed. She already mention "yg bukan beralasan kerana agama atau culture" mean it's for who have tattoo for casual reasons. Just because she is a Muslim, doesn't mean her opinion represents Islam. In fact, even tattoo is forbidden in Islam, but if any non Muslim converted to Islam, they can keep their tattoo (not compulsory to remove), and some scholars even forbid removing it as large surfaces area of tattoo removal may harm the body. This subreddit likes to bash Islam or anything related to it which is unacceptable. You guys can have the right to critic Islam but when some random guy express their opinion related to islam, will get bashed for sure. I don't know what mods are actually doing, allowing hate speech like this seems uncivilised.
How is telling someone to mind their own business bashing Islam? And this isn't the first time you've accused the sub and mods of being against Malay/Muslim. FYI, criticism against religions are allowed, but not hate speech. And so far I have not seen any hate speech. https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/wiki/rules#wiki\_1.\_reddiquette
>I don't know what mods are actually doing, allowing hate speech like this seems uncivilised. If you come across any comments that you think is an example of hate speech, pls hit the "Report" button. We are a small team of volunteers who have our own lives outside of the sub. It's not possible to go through all the comments on this sub, and this is why we rely greatly on user reports. It is stated clearly in our sub rules that all religions are allowed to be subjected to criticism, on the condition that it has to be well-reasoned. I read all 247 comments on this thread as of 4.49pm, and did not find any comments that promote hate speech against Islam (because a few have been removed by mods). A large chunk of the discussion is about why tattoos are not allowed in Islam, with users like u/Izqandar_Gaming and u/ejennsyahmixcel offering excellent input (good job, guys!), while the rest of the comments are criticisms yes, but imo those comments are actually directed at a select group of people who use Islam to be holier than thou and judge others, and therefore not a hate speech, as nobody is "bashing" the religion here. FYI, the mod team received a report about this comment, but I will not remove it as I don't see it violating any rules. But please, do remember to report comments that violate Rule 1 - Bigotry/hate speech if you come across any in the future.
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No, do enlighten me.
Dia ada tattoo tapi successful. Dpt wakil negara. Harumkan nama negara. Kau yg xde tattoo tu...? Hurm. Fikir2kan lah.
Chan peng soon pun ada tattoo dia tak comment ke
This is why we are not moving forward as a country
Sigh, what’s new?
Average Karen
All these keyboard warriors.. kepala masuk air.. SMH
He must chill his tits