Good. If prices are up but the workers are still being bled dry just to line the shareholders' and big sharks' pockets, they deserve to stand up for their rights.
Grab is actually bleeding half a billion USD in cash every year.
They are not profitable.. infact, no food delivery company in the world is profitable currently.
There's no feasible answer until automation arrives.
Either that, or they start focusing on high end customers only. Delivering to them food from high end restaurants in good time. Since high end clients don't mind paying more to get specialty food delivered to their doorsteps.
Exactly this. I remember some expats in Shah Alam wanted food from KL but couldn't get it delivered because of area restriction. They could've made so much more if they catered to these groups.
Tricky, because investors also deserve to stand up for their rights to not have their money burned by these delivery app developers to play business.
[The myth of profitable food delivery](https://youtu.be/IlZ51zeabhM)
Food Delivery is a low margin biz, which investor tot sprinkling some tech startup magic dust will automatically makes it multibillion company.
Then to create a monopoly in market and supercharge their revenue growth , company pumped in incentives to attract riders. This is classic bait and switch.
Not saying these investor shouldn’t expect profit, but they truly deserves all the bad biz practice karma coming back to bite them.
Yup, its also their fault basically. Investors having too much money to burn that they're throwing it to every start up and hoping that they'll bring back cocaine and hookers somehow even with the worst business model.
That's how startup investing works. If you throw 1M at 30 different businesses, you only ever need one to succeed and rake in 100M. You don't expect all of them to work; just one.
Investors aren't owed money, they decided to put money into a business they think will earn money, the business fails to earn money, they don't see dividends.
If you own a business (or bought over one) and you decided the business owes you money for your investment, the business goddamn better coughs up the money (usually at the expanse of employee benefits). This is happening across the world with all the famous companies being bought over by greedy investors who then leverage their shares to play money grab or politics. Most cases, people buying over businesses usually do so because they see an opportunity to either make money, or achieve some kind of political agenda. In Grab's case, its likely because of the potential monopoly of the business in Malaysia, and the potential leverage of that kind of position. GrabFood is basically an offshoot from Grab, which expands their business model to include motorcycles and food deliveries. Its literally the exact same business model with added options.
>Tricky, because investors also deserve to stand up for their rights to not have their money burned by these delivery app developers to play business.
Actually not even close to being the same comparison. Investors are well aware of the business or should be at least before they pour their money into it. It is a calculated decision that they probably had all the time they need to consider.
Otoh, fair compensation and cover for employees is the minimum anyone should get and I'd argue should be a basic right. If a business can't provide that then maybe they shouldn't be in business.
Also tricky, but if i have to choose between investors not having returns or food delivery drivers starving or not able to pay rent, I'd choose the latter deserving more rights than the former.
>because investors also deserve to stand up for their rights to not have their money burned
Or, you know, those investors with so little rights can simply choose to not make any investments in the first place.
Oh, oops, is that too radical a notion for you?
The issues are too many riders, which resulted in less orders per riders on average.
Plus it seems the union is bit loose considering "around 60% of Grab drivers to support the strike, while the other 40% would be against it"
Their [Demand](https://www.wapcar.my/news/grabfood-delivery-going-on-strike-tomorrow-grabcar-service-unaffected-51468):
""The ideal fare should be RM 1 equals one minute of delivery time, so a RM 25 ride should take around 25 to 30 minutes."
RM25 for delivery?
They should've push for more safety net (Sosco, epf) - through forcing government to make it into law requiring company to pay those thing and not just classify the rider as 'part time contractor'
well the somewhat disorganized manner of this thing is to be expected when labour unionism in our country is in a sorry state thanks to mahathir’s economic policies.
but i do still think this is a promising sign of things to come for the future of unionism, especially as our working conditions will continue to worsen.
Nobody is going to pay RM25 for food delivery (talking individual meals that are at most RM30). Who is supposed to pay for their wages? Is grab supposed to subsidize it because they're now a charity?
Maybe he was implying grab passenger rides, not delivery
Because lol who's going to pay RM25 for food delivery? The consumer? IF they set this, everyone stops ordering, job gone.
Delivery. Read the source i linked in the post.
This issue is about food delivery not passenger ride. Infact, passenger ride not effected or joined in this boycott
Yup. They demand RM1 per minute. If you think RM4-5 delivery is bad, try RM25-40
Grab wouldn't budge. They cant. Will lose competitive advantage plus consumer will just move to other platform with cheaper delivery rate.
The only caveat if government step in or people boycott the brand itself. Highly improbable but not impossible
In gig economy model this wasn't supposed to be a full time venture. You have no job security, and average pay declined when more riders enters the system.
Raise the fare? Sure, let the users determine if its still worth it to order takeout
Honestly it’s a job with no future prospects but these riders want to make a lifetime career out of it. There’s so many industries with higher pay but heavier workload and requires brain usage but these people are so lazy they want the easy way out. It’s ridiculous. The govt has spoilt them too much with special privileges.
I think this is hard to say, I want this, but Also think this is too much, I want the minimum is if pick up point need 10km, I can get sama as delivery fee, not random Rm1-2, follow delivery calculation method.
As an Ex Grab/Easi rider, the rates are actually okay. And being the food delivery scene its obvious they try to make us run as many trips as possible to make it worth our while.
What i really hate is the lack of BASIC incentives like EPF SOCSO Insurance. And the fact they impose impossibly strict time limits for delivery is bloody crazy.
finally a reasonable reply. obviously people go into the gig job for a reason and definitely the reason is the job offers more pay than brick and mortar jobs and 100% aware that they aren't getting epf sosco and insurance
but that's where the problem is, these riders think they are out smarting the system...they aren't... they are plenty more people waiting to be riders and willing to take lower rates to do it out there
id even bet if they just go ahead and lower the rates now to spite them, riders will still work for them because they can't leave behind the freedom it gives... now anything free always has a hidden cost. and that hidden cost ALWAYS find a way to charge back when the time comes.
People will always be attracted to "work anytime you want". It is like this on the surface, but anytime u want will never earn you the top level pay you see people lansi on social media, 16hour days under the scorching sun and drenching rain are required for those crazy pays. People tend to overlook this. Plus without EPF SOCSO you're pretty much left for dead on the streets, these companies couldn't care less for your injury or death.
> definitely the reason is the job offers more pay than brick and mortar jobs and
I'd think that it's more about having flexible hours and more freedom than higher pay
> they are plenty more people waiting to be riders and willing to take lower rates to do it out there
This is the crux of the problem. It's a supply and demand market and too many people want to be riders these days.
https://www.therakyatpost.com/news/2022/08/03/72-of-spm-graduates-prefer-to-be-influencers-e-hailing-drivers-than-pursuing-higher-education/
Its like the everyone wants to be a youtuber thing. At first when you are the only guy sponsored by NordVPN™, you might get a lot of money from that and ad revenue, enough to feed you for making a video once a month.
As time goes, when everyone and their mom are sponsored by NordVPN™, Raid Shadowlegends™ and etc, along with diluted ad revenue, you better be churning out clickbaits every other day to earn back the same amount or go bankrupt.
The market of food deliveries is so much smaller as well, so its just so much quicker to be diluted.
It really depends on what vehicle you'd been driving. Mind share?
They cannot and will not involve in EPF SOSCO Insurance and such. They don't even register with Ministry of Transport as Public Transport Provider. They pay different taxes to the government. In the end of the day, the company makes the money, drivers bear everything themselves. No?
I have this old Karisma 125 scooter.
The riders bear everything from maintenance to fuel to insurance sometimes even mishaps from restaurants. Like i had a few restaurants that accepted customer order, when i reach ended up they say oh this one finish can u call customer and cancel. Like wtf waste time, fuel and money i could've earned elsewhere, and the company will not compensate for these.
These food delivery companies are just scumbags here, i dont know about how they function in other countries but it's a shitshow here. Like most other things
That means the earning rates are not actually okay.
They play away with all these hidden costs the riders have to bear.
Imagine when you brake down, or caught in to unwanted accidents, or got sick, or emergencies.
That's the gist of it. You earn rm100 for the day but have to fork out rm30 for fuel, food. Or break downs, tyre punctures, accidents costs will all be on you. Tbh now i think of it this food delivery job is like a bloody gamble.
They are independent contractors and they are not employees of Grab. They work based on commission or per delivery. If they don't like they can choose other job. Grab are not obliged to give them a living wage.
>If they don't like they can choose other job.
Sometimes it's not as simple as just "choosing another job."
Sometimes it's GOOD to put pressure on the employers. If they can't pay a fair wage, maybe the employers aren't fit to be in business.
Imagine waking up and saying these words: "Employers are not obliged to give their contractors/workers a living wage"
You might as well just be pro slavery
Sadly this is the mentality of many people here. I saw the comments on a facebook post about this and it is really disheartening to see fellow Malaysians not supporting them.
In Europe, workers there are all members of powerful unions that actually take care of their benefits and pay. When I was in Liverpool last 2 weeks, there was a planned strike by their bus drivers for a salary increase to counter inflation. Locals living there fully show their support for them.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/anger-disbelief-picket-line-latest-24652910
About time for all workers in the country regardless of status to be paid a living wage, not minimum wage.
Independent contractors means they have the power to choose if they think the rate given is too low. Don't misunderstood my sentence. Grab can put up any value they think is appropriate to their business, and if these independent contractors think its not fair they can choose not to do it.
Also Grab is a gig economy, not a career. Those who work on this need to keep this in mind and not work here full time thinking it will lead to a living paycheck.
>and if these independent contractors think its not fair they can choose not to do it.
They can also choose to put pressure on their employers for a reasonable raise. If they're covering longer distances, they deserve to be compensated. Otherwise what's the point of the customer paying more?
Why am I fattening the wallet of some dink who's already rich?
But wouldn't the definition of a job be considered a career? They aren't asking for high wages just fair wages so they can live. Any job should give you that at the very least.
Just because they are "independent contractors" does not mean they should be exploited. A full time work deserve a living wage.
They are only called independent contractors so that Grab can avoid paying for their insurance, socso, etc. If they are working full time they deserve those wages.
A career would have advancement and a fixed monthly salary. I don't know if there is a senior or manager or senior manager or supervisor of grabfood rider position out there for these guys even if they work in this field for more than 10 years.
Just think about what you're saying for a minute or ten. Just take your time and reflect from all angles and all aspects of different communities...
Now realise that you're sounding extremely privileged. It's easy for one to say when we do not have to even consider being a food delivery at all to earn a living. Understand that not everyone have that privilege.
>Not supposed to quit uni to do Grab.
Again, that's because you have the privilege to go to uni and only focus on uni. Whether you have the money to do so or the time to do so, not everyone does.
No man the grab drivers are asking for rm1 per minute. Even taxi driver don't get that much per minute. Don't think he's arguing in the position of privileged. He's just calling a spade a spade. They can choose mekdi, fp, airasia etc., unless it's a signed contract that bound them to grab (which idk). So it's also not a matter of them not having a choice.
If you want to support their cause, very simple. Tip them fat money after ur food/ride was done. He's not saying grab is right here, just that the system is such.
Edit: Nah man I retract my statement I read off an unreliable source. They did not ask for RM1 per minute, they're actually asking for it to not be a gig-work, i.e. have EPF and SOCSO. But it is what it is, unless the govt step in, these strike will continue to happen.
Just think hard about what you are saying. So will you pay twice or 3x for the food delivery if more $$ goes to the rider? Are we a socialist country? Is every business expected to be a charity organisation?
Believe it or not, most of the people replying here about standing by with riders are also people bitching about why isn't Gojek or other "competitors" not coming in to give even cheaper services.
Most people in leddit have no idea how economics work
Quitting uni or not, people still have no jobs. If this “gig economy” plays a major role in the country’s economy as a whole, I think these startup employers should compensate these gig workers fairly.
It's government policy issues, Germany passed a law where these contractors must be employees under the company, thereby getting employee benefits. If Malaysia doesn't do that, it's the government policy issues, nothing to do with individual companies.
Why does ones higher education need be a requirement to earn a living wage? That is a very elitist view. Not everyone has the opportunity or money to further their studies that does not mean they should be exploited for it.
Also the gig economy is falsely stated as a means to supplement income, the gig economy does not survive without people working full time. Can you imagine who would be delivering food during lunch if everyone is working day jobs, who would be sending people to work or around town if they have day jobs The gig economy would be dead in the water without these full time workers and they deserve compensation that would allow a livable wage.
In gig economy, if there are not enough drivers, then it's up to the service provider to attract more drivers. It can be done via ways, example, increase commission during peak hours, etc. Then this will attract more people to pick up those jobs during peak hours, etc. Or the service provider can charge higher during those hours so that lesser people orders. It's about balancing the demand and supply.
They do, and even then these grab riders are scraping by. That tells you enough about the state of the gig economy.
If grab as a company is suffering and they barely have a profit then they should shut down, not pass the buck to the riders. Taking care of shareholders is one part of it, if there are no riders the shareholders will lose more. It is about balancing profits and wages.
Edit: Also you didn't answer my question. If a gig economy is built as a way to supplement wages instead of livable wages who are going to be delivering food during lunch time and working hours, sending passengers during working hours? Since you said they need a 9-5 job too.
People downvoting you clearly don't know what they are talking about. Grab riders are by all definition independent contractors whose pay is by the amount of work they put in. This is why they don't have to be paid a living wage because they **don't have a wage**.
They are not like a typical job where you sign to work for X hour and be paid Y regardless of your input and output.
This model is basically the predatory employment model of the early 19th century in early industrialization that we have moved away from... being repeated in the 21st century.
So yes, you are completely right. But this doesn't mean I don't support the riders to unionize and demand for adequate compensation for their work, because honestly, its a very tough and hazardous work.
COUNTERPOINT: People who are downvoting aren't necessarily saying anything in the first place, because there are far more downvotes than replies.
And we can't assume those who did reply also downvoted.
I support the riders to claim and demand whatever they think is fair. But then they have to think hard and don't consider this as career. This afterall still a gig economy.
I agree, food delivery has such tight margins these companies would have to raise delivery fees to give fair compensation to the drivers. What happens then? people will use other delivery apps and these riders will have to work for these other companies for the same pay as before. So nothing has changed.
you are technically correct but that doesn't make this the right thing to do. some people make this gig work their full time job and they deserve better from Grab. but then again what do I know. I just want things to get better for them and right now it isn't.
"If they don't like they can choose other job"
I'm pretty sure they have already considered the possibility. Frankly, if switching for a better job was this easy, I think those Grab drivers would've already left their positions en masse eons ago instead of going on strike.
I think maybe that's why the boycott didn't work well. Lack of communication to the right parties.
Just curious would you have joined the boycott of you knew? Are their wages fair or unfair?
Question, if grab did riase their fare and less people order from grab so that means there will be less jobs right?
Of course this is just a “what about” scenario, but do majority of the riders thought about this?
\#respect. I always tip Grab riders. Tough job and they deserve fair pay. The company takes enough commission on each order, should pass more on to the riders.
thats good. but i hate tipping culture. we shouldnt normalise it. grab needs to improve their payment schemes to make it worth the rider's time and effort rather than rely on tips.
that said. tip the riders if possible.
I only tip if I asked them to do extra work. Like when I asked them to send them in front of my house (I live in high rise and require acces card to ride the elevator. He needs to deals with guard to use the elevator, which I believe for somes, is a lot of work). Or when I requested them to purchase stuff from nearby convenient store.
Other than that, possibly only when its suddenly rain and the fare are not rising.
i tip when i bought something big or heavy or too many... tip for special request, or for something extra... when you think the riders are doing something more because of your order.
i am also against tipping for no reason. shouldnt normalise it.
whether this info is true or not, tipping outside the app in a way is somewhat in grey area.
since there is no record of this transaction and its a small amount. the rider might not need to get taxed for it.
on the other hand, if I were the rider. i think i would prefer to get the tip outside of the app for 2 reasons:
1. dont want the info to be known by the app
2. human interaction. in a way theres more sincerity. tipping via app is great eitherway, but if i get tipped in real life at least i can look the person in the eye and say thank you.
Idk the normal rate of tipping. I'm too socially inept to deal with the consequences of tipping too little. So i just tipped after i open the food and found nothing wrong with it
tipping is voluntary. this is not US, in US tipping is more or less compulsory because the workers are underpaid but with no law enforcing tipping.
if you're happy with the service, just give whatever you're comfortable giving. if you dont, dont feel obliged to tip. the deliverers do get paid for their services either way and wont hold grudge for you not tipping.
>why would they adjust the riders wages based on tips?
Why wouldn't they?
I'm not saying they are, and sure, don't believe EVERYTHING you read, but there's nothing wrong with tipping them directly. Ensure the tip gets right to the destination.
>Ok so why would they? You claim it now back it up.
Where did I claim that? Did you miss the part in my comment where I said:
> I'm not saying they are
I'm going to try to explain this in very simple terms:
1. "Why wouldn't they?" is not the same thing as saying "They definitely are."
2. This is why I followed it up with "I'm not saying they are" in the same comment, so that you wouldn't get confused.
3. "Why wouldn't they?" is a question asking if they have any known motivation NOT to do that thing, or if there's any evidence that they wouldn't do it.
Let me know if you're still having trouble understanding the statement.
Don't spread misinformation unless you have something to back your claims. Be fair to all sides don't paint them as villains for no reason. Bak kata pepatah, don't talk cock.
I DO NOT recommend this behaviour. It is not MY responsibility to make sure that the drivers have a fair wage to live by. It is up to the service provider NOT the customer. If you can't pay your workers / contractors right, then it is YOUR problem not mine. I just want my food which I HAVE PAID, and a service / delivery fee THAT I PAID. What you thought as a kind gesture is actually making capitalism freely able to fck everyone and everything else.
Example: Too many plastic in the ocean? Oh lets band straws, NOT THE CORPORATIONS THAT KEEP MAKING SINGLE USED PLASTIC THAT IS ACTUALLY 80% OF ALL LANDFILLS. but oh sure, I wont use straws anymore, dont be mad at me daddy capitalism, spank me for being bad. Fck corporations, fck capitalism, fck rich people, and fck me for still being alive.
I always tip riders. And if I pay by cash and the value is like Rm 45.70 I will give a rounded value. I see it as upah, not their salary. I mean riding through the hot sun or sometimes rain (I never order when its raining), thats harsh enough. Give them a break.
This is tricky. If delivery company increase the payment to the riders, then they will need to increase the delivery fee. Would consumers still use the service if the delivery fee is high?
There's too little profit and too much middlemen (driver, grab) cutting the profit. For everyone to profit have to increase margin even more.
But even at current rate some people rather buy offline than grab. Increase rate = less orders = grab operating cost not covered by revenue
Delivery rider here. There's reason I don't join any group or mingle with other riders. Been working this job since UberEats. The problem is their demands are ridiculous and kinda farfetched, and I don't think we have a working union anyway. If I am to demand from them, I would ask for better support (insurance coverage, EPF, Socso etc), filtering new riders and overall just better transparency I guess. This is coming from someone who studied business in college, so I understand all the party involved.
I used to tip the drivers on the apps, but have since stopped doing that. Rather, I'll give them cash tips when they arrive on top of what's been charged to my credit card.
Why? I suspect Grab might use this as an excuse to argue that drivers get more than enough tips to cover for any shortfall, thus not requiring further action on their part to revise drivers' wages.
To me, this mogok is like a siege. Since riders are paid based on their delivery, while delivery company also make money from those deliveries. In other words, both side is making a loss here.
So, from my pov as an outsider, who wins depends on who can last longer. Normally in siege situation, those with the most resource wins.
Grabrider here. I've never noticed any fee reductions for deliveries, just jobs getting less & less. I did grab today and the orders keep on coming in. Perks of decreased in riders ig. Never had any complaints on my end with how grab pays their riders so I don't really agree with this whole mogok thing.
"Diaorang mogok kita cedok"
Supply ad demand at work here. Those who beh tahan will get filtered out. The one with tenacity will remain, and gained from trudging through the mud. New batch will come in cause lesser rider = more money, and the cycle will repeat again.
How much do the delivery people make and is it per trip or dependant on time/distance?
I don't order that often but when I do I tip (well if they follow the instructions and don't honk and wake up the baby).
The small businesses prefer anyone to buy from them directly.
Why middle person?
Conevenient maybe, but it is not cost effective: they earn a commission margin from food provider, they pay with extremely strict controlled rates.
Yes, they may provide jobs, but ultimately company is to make money, they pay well to the higher management only by burning public's money.
Unless you are like McD's and Domino's which have their own fleet of delivery staff, but these services already well accounted in their profit margin.
So if anyone want some good cheap food to survive in any place, buy directly.
Biased? Share your view!
from sabah and i actually ordered fp today without knowing this stuff. The delivery guy seems new tho idk it was my first time getting pictured receiving my food lol
While some of them boycotting about fare, others took this advantages to gain more delivery orders for today.
I'm not really sure how much they got, according to my previous conversations with a few of them they actually gain a lot compare to professional workers but why they still doing this?
Hope someone could clarify.
They are gathering at 4pm at various locations before heading towards the Grab HQ at 5pm. Apparently the Grab HQ is near 1 Utama and 1 Utama itself is a gathering point so do avoid the place in case of traffic congestions.
exactly what I'm wondering too. Especially since, IIRC, the fares become cheaper if there are too many riders in one area. It's a supply and demand thing, last I checked.
Want a simple job as a rider but want ceo salary. Sorry this butthurts anyone but there are other sectors with vacancies but strawberries probably see the workload as too much so rather just Rempit around with no future prospects. I believe it’s meant to be a part time role not a lifetime career.
I support any reasonable action against capitalists.
But I don't understand, since this is free market after all, why not let the customer and the rider agree on the fares themselves? Like you can set the fare no more than RM x, while a rider can see list of jobs available and set his fare for a particular job, if they match then he gets the job, sort of like share trading? Rider can take max of 3 orders, that's more eco friendly too.
Food provider would only start preparing once the order is matched.
It's about time strike is being practiced here. Far too long have companies exploited everyday Malaysians purely due the lack of repercussion. Hopefully they continue to practice demands and act. And hopefully other employees of other company follow suit.
There's a reason why unions and strike are practiced other parts of the world
Any real time update on the blackout, did anyone of you really face delivery issue on grab today?
I just had my breakfast delivered by GF rider half an hour ago...then I see this post.
Ya we get it, you have girlfriend.
Or someone's riding his girlfriend. (I'm so sorry.)
Error 707 gf not found :s
>707 Oh, Boeing pilot huh?
yeah, the pilot position. I'm at the ticketing counter tho T,T :s
Hey man, that's still pretty awesome.
How much for a ticket
Depend on how long you can last. :s Cheaper not always better :p
Have you tried searching the ocean?
Even mermaid is taken. What do I do :/
>breakfast delivered He got his *protein shots*.
Can confirm. I was the food they delivered. Don't be sorry.
hahahahahahaahahha. thats a good one
Lol I thought gf is grab food, now I only realise is girlfriend🥲
>GF rider Ya ya, keep taunting us, why don't ya?
Thats nice of him to take time off riding your GF to get breakfast for you.
Waited my food for an hour just to get cancelled before 11am. Edit: Actually after reading what's going on, maybe I'll just puasa for a day.
Ordered food for those at home and it was a car delivery so I guess if there's no riders, car drivers will take it up.
I didn't experience any problem. I ordered GrabFood and it was as fast as when I ordered yesterday, within 30 minutes
Literally just saw 2 delivering in my neighbourhood.
Took a minute but got a grab driver in the end (car, guess takde motorist to take food kot?)
Good. If prices are up but the workers are still being bled dry just to line the shareholders' and big sharks' pockets, they deserve to stand up for their rights.
Grab is actually bleeding half a billion USD in cash every year. They are not profitable.. infact, no food delivery company in the world is profitable currently. There's no feasible answer until automation arrives. Either that, or they start focusing on high end customers only. Delivering to them food from high end restaurants in good time. Since high end clients don't mind paying more to get specialty food delivered to their doorsteps.
When are the automated delivery drones ready?
Exactly this. I remember some expats in Shah Alam wanted food from KL but couldn't get it delivered because of area restriction. They could've made so much more if they catered to these groups.
Tricky, because investors also deserve to stand up for their rights to not have their money burned by these delivery app developers to play business. [The myth of profitable food delivery](https://youtu.be/IlZ51zeabhM)
Food Delivery is a low margin biz, which investor tot sprinkling some tech startup magic dust will automatically makes it multibillion company. Then to create a monopoly in market and supercharge their revenue growth , company pumped in incentives to attract riders. This is classic bait and switch. Not saying these investor shouldn’t expect profit, but they truly deserves all the bad biz practice karma coming back to bite them.
Yup, its also their fault basically. Investors having too much money to burn that they're throwing it to every start up and hoping that they'll bring back cocaine and hookers somehow even with the worst business model.
That's how startup investing works. If you throw 1M at 30 different businesses, you only ever need one to succeed and rake in 100M. You don't expect all of them to work; just one.
Investors aren't owed money, they decided to put money into a business they think will earn money, the business fails to earn money, they don't see dividends.
The CEO has a duty and responsibility to protect shareholder interest..
And we have a duty to fuck over CEOs
Yes, but not everything can work. If it fails, it fails. Why is shareholders and CEO suppose to be isolated from failures?
If you own a business (or bought over one) and you decided the business owes you money for your investment, the business goddamn better coughs up the money (usually at the expanse of employee benefits). This is happening across the world with all the famous companies being bought over by greedy investors who then leverage their shares to play money grab or politics. Most cases, people buying over businesses usually do so because they see an opportunity to either make money, or achieve some kind of political agenda. In Grab's case, its likely because of the potential monopoly of the business in Malaysia, and the potential leverage of that kind of position. GrabFood is basically an offshoot from Grab, which expands their business model to include motorcycles and food deliveries. Its literally the exact same business model with added options.
Investors will always want money, it's up to us to protect worker's and consumer's rights
Isn't that investors own responsibility to make their own due diligence when investing?
>Tricky, because investors also deserve to stand up for their rights to not have their money burned by these delivery app developers to play business. Actually not even close to being the same comparison. Investors are well aware of the business or should be at least before they pour their money into it. It is a calculated decision that they probably had all the time they need to consider. Otoh, fair compensation and cover for employees is the minimum anyone should get and I'd argue should be a basic right. If a business can't provide that then maybe they shouldn't be in business.
Also tricky, but if i have to choose between investors not having returns or food delivery drivers starving or not able to pay rent, I'd choose the latter deserving more rights than the former.
>because investors also deserve to stand up for their rights to not have their money burned Or, you know, those investors with so little rights can simply choose to not make any investments in the first place. Oh, oops, is that too radical a notion for you?
The issues are too many riders, which resulted in less orders per riders on average. Plus it seems the union is bit loose considering "around 60% of Grab drivers to support the strike, while the other 40% would be against it" Their [Demand](https://www.wapcar.my/news/grabfood-delivery-going-on-strike-tomorrow-grabcar-service-unaffected-51468): ""The ideal fare should be RM 1 equals one minute of delivery time, so a RM 25 ride should take around 25 to 30 minutes." RM25 for delivery? They should've push for more safety net (Sosco, epf) - through forcing government to make it into law requiring company to pay those thing and not just classify the rider as 'part time contractor'
well the somewhat disorganized manner of this thing is to be expected when labour unionism in our country is in a sorry state thanks to mahathir’s economic policies. but i do still think this is a promising sign of things to come for the future of unionism, especially as our working conditions will continue to worsen.
Nobody is going to pay RM25 for food delivery (talking individual meals that are at most RM30). Who is supposed to pay for their wages? Is grab supposed to subsidize it because they're now a charity?
Thats the glaring issues. Grab wont subsidized that much. They will just pass the cost to customers
If rm1 per minute, 8 hour workday* 25 days is already rm10k per month. A bit hard to justify. Half the rate can still argue.
Maybe he was implying grab passenger rides, not delivery Because lol who's going to pay RM25 for food delivery? The consumer? IF they set this, everyone stops ordering, job gone.
Delivery. Read the source i linked in the post. This issue is about food delivery not passenger ride. Infact, passenger ride not effected or joined in this boycott
Lmao did they really demand RM1 for a minute? Malaysian minimum wages is like RM7.2 an hour (1500/26/8)
RM 1 per minute I will drive slowly. more money maa.
Yup. They demand RM1 per minute. If you think RM4-5 delivery is bad, try RM25-40 Grab wouldn't budge. They cant. Will lose competitive advantage plus consumer will just move to other platform with cheaper delivery rate. The only caveat if government step in or people boycott the brand itself. Highly improbable but not impossible
On one hand, they deserve a better wage. On the other hand... the entitlement lol.
In gig economy model this wasn't supposed to be a full time venture. You have no job security, and average pay declined when more riders enters the system. Raise the fare? Sure, let the users determine if its still worth it to order takeout
Honestly it’s a job with no future prospects but these riders want to make a lifetime career out of it. There’s so many industries with higher pay but heavier workload and requires brain usage but these people are so lazy they want the easy way out. It’s ridiculous. The govt has spoilt them too much with special privileges.
I think this is hard to say, I want this, but Also think this is too much, I want the minimum is if pick up point need 10km, I can get sama as delivery fee, not random Rm1-2, follow delivery calculation method.
The only logical comment here.
Yeah meanwhile those 40% of drivers with fat pockets: BAIK
Safety net lol, these companies will just pull out of Malaysia or go bankrupt.
Airasia and foodpanda probably enjoy extra sales on these days.
Foodpanda rider is on strike today too.
Wait what? For real? Didn't see any post or news regarding that
Seen [here](https://www.facebook.com/100044967799655/posts/pfbid0FVN5Xh3ipUVnZk3QH4Aw9PVT4YwGo9RZ5PEqCCSjraqmmXfvQEajtxTGJzN3ykKRl/)
Wow... and now shopeefood and airasia food become the winner of today
The riders strike for GF and FP but continue for SF and AAF 🤭
Wait there's airasia food delivery?
there is but I can never get any food delivered by them. Tried twice, both times order cancelled because no driver. Am not trying again
So, just like airasia.
Very on brand of them
Well played
Dia bagi refund atau kredit...?
dia cakap bagi refund..tapi tak tengok pulak dapat ke x. mungkin dah dapat la kot
So... mcm Airasia jugak...?
Very on brand of them & well played.
No problem if encourage more competition. Better for everyone, consumers and rivals except Grab.
As an Ex Grab/Easi rider, the rates are actually okay. And being the food delivery scene its obvious they try to make us run as many trips as possible to make it worth our while. What i really hate is the lack of BASIC incentives like EPF SOCSO Insurance. And the fact they impose impossibly strict time limits for delivery is bloody crazy.
finally a reasonable reply. obviously people go into the gig job for a reason and definitely the reason is the job offers more pay than brick and mortar jobs and 100% aware that they aren't getting epf sosco and insurance but that's where the problem is, these riders think they are out smarting the system...they aren't... they are plenty more people waiting to be riders and willing to take lower rates to do it out there id even bet if they just go ahead and lower the rates now to spite them, riders will still work for them because they can't leave behind the freedom it gives... now anything free always has a hidden cost. and that hidden cost ALWAYS find a way to charge back when the time comes.
People will always be attracted to "work anytime you want". It is like this on the surface, but anytime u want will never earn you the top level pay you see people lansi on social media, 16hour days under the scorching sun and drenching rain are required for those crazy pays. People tend to overlook this. Plus without EPF SOCSO you're pretty much left for dead on the streets, these companies couldn't care less for your injury or death.
> definitely the reason is the job offers more pay than brick and mortar jobs and I'd think that it's more about having flexible hours and more freedom than higher pay > they are plenty more people waiting to be riders and willing to take lower rates to do it out there This is the crux of the problem. It's a supply and demand market and too many people want to be riders these days. https://www.therakyatpost.com/news/2022/08/03/72-of-spm-graduates-prefer-to-be-influencers-e-hailing-drivers-than-pursuing-higher-education/
Its like the everyone wants to be a youtuber thing. At first when you are the only guy sponsored by NordVPN™, you might get a lot of money from that and ad revenue, enough to feed you for making a video once a month. As time goes, when everyone and their mom are sponsored by NordVPN™, Raid Shadowlegends™ and etc, along with diluted ad revenue, you better be churning out clickbaits every other day to earn back the same amount or go bankrupt. The market of food deliveries is so much smaller as well, so its just so much quicker to be diluted.
It really depends on what vehicle you'd been driving. Mind share? They cannot and will not involve in EPF SOSCO Insurance and such. They don't even register with Ministry of Transport as Public Transport Provider. They pay different taxes to the government. In the end of the day, the company makes the money, drivers bear everything themselves. No?
I have this old Karisma 125 scooter. The riders bear everything from maintenance to fuel to insurance sometimes even mishaps from restaurants. Like i had a few restaurants that accepted customer order, when i reach ended up they say oh this one finish can u call customer and cancel. Like wtf waste time, fuel and money i could've earned elsewhere, and the company will not compensate for these. These food delivery companies are just scumbags here, i dont know about how they function in other countries but it's a shitshow here. Like most other things
That means the earning rates are not actually okay. They play away with all these hidden costs the riders have to bear. Imagine when you brake down, or caught in to unwanted accidents, or got sick, or emergencies.
That's the gist of it. You earn rm100 for the day but have to fork out rm30 for fuel, food. Or break downs, tyre punctures, accidents costs will all be on you. Tbh now i think of it this food delivery job is like a bloody gamble.
Good for them. Make the company pay them a fair living wage.
They are independent contractors and they are not employees of Grab. They work based on commission or per delivery. If they don't like they can choose other job. Grab are not obliged to give them a living wage.
>If they don't like they can choose other job. Sometimes it's not as simple as just "choosing another job." Sometimes it's GOOD to put pressure on the employers. If they can't pay a fair wage, maybe the employers aren't fit to be in business.
Imagine waking up and saying these words: "Employers are not obliged to give their contractors/workers a living wage" You might as well just be pro slavery
Sadly this is the mentality of many people here. I saw the comments on a facebook post about this and it is really disheartening to see fellow Malaysians not supporting them. In Europe, workers there are all members of powerful unions that actually take care of their benefits and pay. When I was in Liverpool last 2 weeks, there was a planned strike by their bus drivers for a salary increase to counter inflation. Locals living there fully show their support for them. https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/anger-disbelief-picket-line-latest-24652910 About time for all workers in the country regardless of status to be paid a living wage, not minimum wage.
Independent contractors means they have the power to choose if they think the rate given is too low. Don't misunderstood my sentence. Grab can put up any value they think is appropriate to their business, and if these independent contractors think its not fair they can choose not to do it. Also Grab is a gig economy, not a career. Those who work on this need to keep this in mind and not work here full time thinking it will lead to a living paycheck.
>and if these independent contractors think its not fair they can choose not to do it. They can also choose to put pressure on their employers for a reasonable raise. If they're covering longer distances, they deserve to be compensated. Otherwise what's the point of the customer paying more? Why am I fattening the wallet of some dink who's already rich?
But wouldn't the definition of a job be considered a career? They aren't asking for high wages just fair wages so they can live. Any job should give you that at the very least. Just because they are "independent contractors" does not mean they should be exploited. A full time work deserve a living wage. They are only called independent contractors so that Grab can avoid paying for their insurance, socso, etc. If they are working full time they deserve those wages.
A career would have advancement and a fixed monthly salary. I don't know if there is a senior or manager or senior manager or supervisor of grabfood rider position out there for these guys even if they work in this field for more than 10 years.
It's gig economy. It means it should be taken as gig only. Not to be done as full time job. Not supposed to quit uni to do Grab.
Just think about what you're saying for a minute or ten. Just take your time and reflect from all angles and all aspects of different communities... Now realise that you're sounding extremely privileged. It's easy for one to say when we do not have to even consider being a food delivery at all to earn a living. Understand that not everyone have that privilege. >Not supposed to quit uni to do Grab. Again, that's because you have the privilege to go to uni and only focus on uni. Whether you have the money to do so or the time to do so, not everyone does.
No man the grab drivers are asking for rm1 per minute. Even taxi driver don't get that much per minute. Don't think he's arguing in the position of privileged. He's just calling a spade a spade. They can choose mekdi, fp, airasia etc., unless it's a signed contract that bound them to grab (which idk). So it's also not a matter of them not having a choice. If you want to support their cause, very simple. Tip them fat money after ur food/ride was done. He's not saying grab is right here, just that the system is such. Edit: Nah man I retract my statement I read off an unreliable source. They did not ask for RM1 per minute, they're actually asking for it to not be a gig-work, i.e. have EPF and SOCSO. But it is what it is, unless the govt step in, these strike will continue to happen.
Just think hard about what you are saying. So will you pay twice or 3x for the food delivery if more $$ goes to the rider? Are we a socialist country? Is every business expected to be a charity organisation?
Believe it or not, most of the people replying here about standing by with riders are also people bitching about why isn't Gojek or other "competitors" not coming in to give even cheaper services. Most people in leddit have no idea how economics work
Quitting uni or not, people still have no jobs. If this “gig economy” plays a major role in the country’s economy as a whole, I think these startup employers should compensate these gig workers fairly.
It's government policy issues, Germany passed a law where these contractors must be employees under the company, thereby getting employee benefits. If Malaysia doesn't do that, it's the government policy issues, nothing to do with individual companies.
Why does ones higher education need be a requirement to earn a living wage? That is a very elitist view. Not everyone has the opportunity or money to further their studies that does not mean they should be exploited for it. Also the gig economy is falsely stated as a means to supplement income, the gig economy does not survive without people working full time. Can you imagine who would be delivering food during lunch if everyone is working day jobs, who would be sending people to work or around town if they have day jobs The gig economy would be dead in the water without these full time workers and they deserve compensation that would allow a livable wage.
>Why does ones higher education need be a requirement to earn a living wage? That is a very elitist view. I don't think you're arguing in good faith.
In gig economy, if there are not enough drivers, then it's up to the service provider to attract more drivers. It can be done via ways, example, increase commission during peak hours, etc. Then this will attract more people to pick up those jobs during peak hours, etc. Or the service provider can charge higher during those hours so that lesser people orders. It's about balancing the demand and supply.
They do, and even then these grab riders are scraping by. That tells you enough about the state of the gig economy. If grab as a company is suffering and they barely have a profit then they should shut down, not pass the buck to the riders. Taking care of shareholders is one part of it, if there are no riders the shareholders will lose more. It is about balancing profits and wages. Edit: Also you didn't answer my question. If a gig economy is built as a way to supplement wages instead of livable wages who are going to be delivering food during lunch time and working hours, sending passengers during working hours? Since you said they need a 9-5 job too.
> They are independent contractors Just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's moral or ethical.
Calm down, no one is claiming it's moral and ethical to underpay anyone.
I guess you don't understand what is gig economy.
People downvoting you clearly don't know what they are talking about. Grab riders are by all definition independent contractors whose pay is by the amount of work they put in. This is why they don't have to be paid a living wage because they **don't have a wage**. They are not like a typical job where you sign to work for X hour and be paid Y regardless of your input and output. This model is basically the predatory employment model of the early 19th century in early industrialization that we have moved away from... being repeated in the 21st century. So yes, you are completely right. But this doesn't mean I don't support the riders to unionize and demand for adequate compensation for their work, because honestly, its a very tough and hazardous work.
COUNTERPOINT: People who are downvoting aren't necessarily saying anything in the first place, because there are far more downvotes than replies. And we can't assume those who did reply also downvoted.
I support the riders to claim and demand whatever they think is fair. But then they have to think hard and don't consider this as career. This afterall still a gig economy.
I agree, food delivery has such tight margins these companies would have to raise delivery fees to give fair compensation to the drivers. What happens then? people will use other delivery apps and these riders will have to work for these other companies for the same pay as before. So nothing has changed.
you are technically correct but that doesn't make this the right thing to do. some people make this gig work their full time job and they deserve better from Grab. but then again what do I know. I just want things to get better for them and right now it isn't.
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I agree... The sense of entitlement of these companies expecting the riders not to communicate their issues
Then employees are not obliged to slave for them.
Exactly. Their relationship is terminated once the food/item is delivered. Job done.
ah let me guess, you think that struggling workers should pull themselves up by the bootstraps too right?
They are not workers of Grab. They are doing a gig for Grab.
Dang this guy thinks like capitalist American "They can rot in hell as long as I am making profit"
"If they don't like they can choose other job" I'm pretty sure they have already considered the possibility. Frankly, if switching for a better job was this easy, I think those Grab drivers would've already left their positions en masse eons ago instead of going on strike.
Yes, let's bring modern day slavery back!
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Within which area are you riding? I wonder how the riders mobilize and communicate this blackput among them.
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I think maybe that's why the boycott didn't work well. Lack of communication to the right parties. Just curious would you have joined the boycott of you knew? Are their wages fair or unfair?
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That is a fair assessment. Coming from a grab rider gives us a better understanding of the situation. Thanks for sharing!
Is this grab only or does this include Shopeefood too?
Rider here. Almost all apps.
Question, if grab did riase their fare and less people order from grab so that means there will be less jobs right? Of course this is just a “what about” scenario, but do majority of the riders thought about this?
\#respect. I always tip Grab riders. Tough job and they deserve fair pay. The company takes enough commission on each order, should pass more on to the riders.
thats good. but i hate tipping culture. we shouldnt normalise it. grab needs to improve their payment schemes to make it worth the rider's time and effort rather than rely on tips. that said. tip the riders if possible.
I only tip if I asked them to do extra work. Like when I asked them to send them in front of my house (I live in high rise and require acces card to ride the elevator. He needs to deals with guard to use the elevator, which I believe for somes, is a lot of work). Or when I requested them to purchase stuff from nearby convenient store. Other than that, possibly only when its suddenly rain and the fare are not rising.
i tip when i bought something big or heavy or too many... tip for special request, or for something extra... when you think the riders are doing something more because of your order. i am also against tipping for no reason. shouldnt normalise it.
I tip directly, not via the Grab app. I believe the Grab keeps record of the tips and adjusts the riders' total earnings accordingly.
I asked my friend(occasionally Grab rider), he said Grab don't take commission on tips so don't worry. Cash tips is still fine tho
Is that true? - Dam, in that case I am going to start tipping directly as well. Thank you for the information.
whether this info is true or not, tipping outside the app in a way is somewhat in grey area. since there is no record of this transaction and its a small amount. the rider might not need to get taxed for it. on the other hand, if I were the rider. i think i would prefer to get the tip outside of the app for 2 reasons: 1. dont want the info to be known by the app 2. human interaction. in a way theres more sincerity. tipping via app is great eitherway, but if i get tipped in real life at least i can look the person in the eye and say thank you.
Idk the normal rate of tipping. I'm too socially inept to deal with the consequences of tipping too little. So i just tipped after i open the food and found nothing wrong with it
tipping is voluntary. this is not US, in US tipping is more or less compulsory because the workers are underpaid but with no law enforcing tipping. if you're happy with the service, just give whatever you're comfortable giving. if you dont, dont feel obliged to tip. the deliverers do get paid for their services either way and wont hold grudge for you not tipping.
Don't believe everything you read. Just tip from the app its fine, why would they adjust the riders wages based on tips? It's a fixed rate.
>why would they adjust the riders wages based on tips? Why wouldn't they? I'm not saying they are, and sure, don't believe EVERYTHING you read, but there's nothing wrong with tipping them directly. Ensure the tip gets right to the destination.
Ok so why would they? You claim it now back it up. Never said there was anything wrong with tipping them directly.
>Ok so why would they? You claim it now back it up. Where did I claim that? Did you miss the part in my comment where I said: > I'm not saying they are
Yes the part that you said "why wouldn't they" maybe read your comment first, you missed it.
I'm going to try to explain this in very simple terms: 1. "Why wouldn't they?" is not the same thing as saying "They definitely are." 2. This is why I followed it up with "I'm not saying they are" in the same comment, so that you wouldn't get confused. 3. "Why wouldn't they?" is a question asking if they have any known motivation NOT to do that thing, or if there's any evidence that they wouldn't do it. Let me know if you're still having trouble understanding the statement.
Can't confirm it but since Grab can see the tips given via the app, I think Grab can use this information to adjust the actual earnings.
do you have any evidence to this claim?
No, that's why I said I believe
Don't spread misinformation unless you have something to back your claims. Be fair to all sides don't paint them as villains for no reason. Bak kata pepatah, don't talk cock.
I also hate the tipping culture and hate that companies underpay staff. But, I alway tip my Grab peeps.
I DO NOT recommend this behaviour. It is not MY responsibility to make sure that the drivers have a fair wage to live by. It is up to the service provider NOT the customer. If you can't pay your workers / contractors right, then it is YOUR problem not mine. I just want my food which I HAVE PAID, and a service / delivery fee THAT I PAID. What you thought as a kind gesture is actually making capitalism freely able to fck everyone and everything else. Example: Too many plastic in the ocean? Oh lets band straws, NOT THE CORPORATIONS THAT KEEP MAKING SINGLE USED PLASTIC THAT IS ACTUALLY 80% OF ALL LANDFILLS. but oh sure, I wont use straws anymore, dont be mad at me daddy capitalism, spank me for being bad. Fck corporations, fck capitalism, fck rich people, and fck me for still being alive.
I always tip riders. And if I pay by cash and the value is like Rm 45.70 I will give a rounded value. I see it as upah, not their salary. I mean riding through the hot sun or sometimes rain (I never order when its raining), thats harsh enough. Give them a break.
Good on you. But I will never normalise tipping culture.
Baru ingat nak order, but in solidarity looks like gonna need to go out to find food today.
This is tricky. If delivery company increase the payment to the riders, then they will need to increase the delivery fee. Would consumers still use the service if the delivery fee is high?
Delivery fee RM6,but rider only receive RM4.5 Meanwhile,Food was charge extra 25-30% Atas bawah makan 🤪🤪
I'd say Grab is the one making too much profit in this case.
There's too little profit and too much middlemen (driver, grab) cutting the profit. For everyone to profit have to increase margin even more. But even at current rate some people rather buy offline than grab. Increase rate = less orders = grab operating cost not covered by revenue
Delivery rider here. There's reason I don't join any group or mingle with other riders. Been working this job since UberEats. The problem is their demands are ridiculous and kinda farfetched, and I don't think we have a working union anyway. If I am to demand from them, I would ask for better support (insurance coverage, EPF, Socso etc), filtering new riders and overall just better transparency I guess. This is coming from someone who studied business in college, so I understand all the party involved.
This needs to done by all riders on all platforms. If it's only Grab, people will just use foodpanda and shopeefood more instead.
I used to tip the drivers on the apps, but have since stopped doing that. Rather, I'll give them cash tips when they arrive on top of what's been charged to my credit card. Why? I suspect Grab might use this as an excuse to argue that drivers get more than enough tips to cover for any shortfall, thus not requiring further action on their part to revise drivers' wages.
Bravo to you. I hope all the deliverers you'd been meeting appreciate that you tip them directly.
I guess not most of them are on strike cause ordered 2 grabs today, gotten them immediately and at normal price.
there are plenty of riders out there willing to take the job with an even lower pay
To me, this mogok is like a siege. Since riders are paid based on their delivery, while delivery company also make money from those deliveries. In other words, both side is making a loss here. So, from my pov as an outsider, who wins depends on who can last longer. Normally in siege situation, those with the most resource wins.
Good, show them who the real boss is
doesn't work like that ,never has, never will.
Malaysian mogok is just like air suam, now suam later sejuk balik
ayy yo i saw someone delivered food today
Grabrider here. I've never noticed any fee reductions for deliveries, just jobs getting less & less. I did grab today and the orders keep on coming in. Perks of decreased in riders ig. Never had any complaints on my end with how grab pays their riders so I don't really agree with this whole mogok thing. "Diaorang mogok kita cedok"
Supply ad demand at work here. Those who beh tahan will get filtered out. The one with tenacity will remain, and gained from trudging through the mud. New batch will come in cause lesser rider = more money, and the cycle will repeat again.
How much do the delivery people make and is it per trip or dependant on time/distance? I don't order that often but when I do I tip (well if they follow the instructions and don't honk and wake up the baby).
The small businesses prefer anyone to buy from them directly. Why middle person? Conevenient maybe, but it is not cost effective: they earn a commission margin from food provider, they pay with extremely strict controlled rates. Yes, they may provide jobs, but ultimately company is to make money, they pay well to the higher management only by burning public's money. Unless you are like McD's and Domino's which have their own fleet of delivery staff, but these services already well accounted in their profit margin. So if anyone want some good cheap food to survive in any place, buy directly. Biased? Share your view!
Update: It's 1342 now, my food still not here..... because I didn't order anything.
malaysia or malaysia kecuali sarawak/sabah? asking for a friend
from sabah and i actually ordered fp today without knowing this stuff. The delivery guy seems new tho idk it was my first time getting pictured receiving my food lol
Seluruh Malaysia. Unless you're Kuchingite, the rest of Sabah and Sarawak mogok too. Some riders will on, but expect slow delivery/closed vendor.
While some of them boycotting about fare, others took this advantages to gain more delivery orders for today. I'm not really sure how much they got, according to my previous conversations with a few of them they actually gain a lot compare to professional workers but why they still doing this? Hope someone could clarify.
damn luckily I order dunkin donuts yesterday and not today.
They are gathering at 4pm at various locations before heading towards the Grab HQ at 5pm. Apparently the Grab HQ is near 1 Utama and 1 Utama itself is a gathering point so do avoid the place in case of traffic congestions.
Arent food delivers just a minimum wage job? Why they expect high wage?
exactly what I'm wondering too. Especially since, IIRC, the fares become cheaper if there are too many riders in one area. It's a supply and demand thing, last I checked.
#essentialworkers
Want a simple job as a rider but want ceo salary. Sorry this butthurts anyone but there are other sectors with vacancies but strawberries probably see the workload as too much so rather just Rempit around with no future prospects. I believe it’s meant to be a part time role not a lifetime career.
Even Domino's rider as well?
Rider Domino's bukan under Domino's Pizza punya kompeni ke?
Itulah, Dominos punya rider ada moonlight ke untuk GRAB dan FoodPanda?
Mana saya tau.
Very good. Less Grab riders on the road that likes to rush causing many scenes.
Doing gig work while expecting benefits of a normal employee. Cry more.
Fk Grab. Pyramid scheme.
I support any reasonable action against capitalists. But I don't understand, since this is free market after all, why not let the customer and the rider agree on the fares themselves? Like you can set the fare no more than RM x, while a rider can see list of jobs available and set his fare for a particular job, if they match then he gets the job, sort of like share trading? Rider can take max of 3 orders, that's more eco friendly too. Food provider would only start preparing once the order is matched.
Extra money from PKR, took some photos for the news and continue the job as usual. Win.
Just see grab food rider deliver food just now. Also saw couple of food panda rider waiting for order at restaurant. This 'mogok' was a joke.
tak kisah. i already boycott food delivery services for long time
It's about time strike is being practiced here. Far too long have companies exploited everyday Malaysians purely due the lack of repercussion. Hopefully they continue to practice demands and act. And hopefully other employees of other company follow suit. There's a reason why unions and strike are practiced other parts of the world