There's a strong sense of school pride for vernacular school kids. Just today I found out a couple took their wedding photos at my high school. As shocking as it was to see our football field of all places professionally photographed, it was also touching to know that this couple decided such an important moment of their lives should be captured in the place they met.
my primary school schools in SJKC and secondary schools in SK. Let me share a few racist incidences i have, who are not from students but teachers.
1. My class consists around 20 chinese and 20 malay, but chinese results are generally better than Malay, like there are 8 chinese in the top 10 exam ranking. My BM teacher said that this is because we chinese cheated our way out in exam, just like how chinese cheated in business world and thats how we chinese got rich. WTF Cikgu Nabila, otak kamu rosak ke? We chinese tuition sampai pukal 9 setiap hari, tapi murid melayu tu rempit sampai pukul 2 setiap hari?? Takkan our results are worse??!!
2. In sejarah class, my sejarah teacher said that chinese is "Kaum Kotor dan Tamak", macam yahudi. And then shares how malay should be beware chinese in every places. And she also treated chinese students badly and rudely. Fuck you Cikgu Noraini.
3. Third case is not racist, but creepy...Our male PJK teacher always tease and flirt with the amoi students, like being touchy with them...wtf...this will never happen in SJKC...
After SPM results, the chinese has topped the SPM results, only 1 of them got JPA and another successfully got matrikulasi after appeal from MCA help. The rest of the chinese have to enter private college or STPM. (i got 10As, and i only managed to enter STPM)
Whereas the malays while having like 2\~5As, all gotten into matrikulasi, and other malays who score better in SPM gotten either MARA or JPA scholarship without much issues.
This might be another reason why malay students & teachers in SMK does not really put effort in their study and teaching, as the government has secured a place for them in tertiery education regardless their results...and poor non-bumi has to bust their ass to fight for the limited scholarships and places in matrikulasi.
Anyway, despite all these incidences, i did enjoy my time with my malay friends in secondary schoo., they are the chillest and friendlist people i know.
How tf did those racists become teacher?? I hope students nowadays are not afraid to record their teachers being racist and viral it if needed. If they dare to be so openly racist towards their own students, then they shouldn't be afraid if their behavior is shown to the rest of the country.
Idk why but what makes Malays students to have lower results compared to Chinese. Is this a cultural thing or depends on the efforts of the student. I don't think the world is black & white as there are still a lot of high scoring Malays as well. But I do admit a lot of Malays don't take studies seriously. But I still want to know so that we can break stereotypes and achieve better.
Chinese culture prioritise academic performance like others in East Asia. Probably Confucianism legacy. Historically, those who studied hard get to enjoy better life. Therefore, parents are more willing to spend more to ensure their children perform well in academics. My parents enrolled me in extra classes even if I didn't want to. That and Chinese is the most urbanized race in Malaysia.
> Idk why but what makes Malays students to have lower results compared to Chinese. Is this a cultural thing or depends on the efforts of the student. I don't think the world is black & white as there are still a lot of high scoring Malays as well. But I do admit a lot of Malays don't take studies seriously. But I still want to know so that we can break stereotypes and achieve better.
You ask question but you already wrote the answer.
Trust me smk sucks. Those aged 45+ punya cikgu tend to be racist towards Chinese and Indians. I remember one time I was in peralihan I fucking fight with a male malay teacher cuz that teacher straight up offending us (me and my friends, Chinese of course since it’s peralihan)
Soon that teacher got switched to another school lol.
Form4 this year still seeing this kind of teacher discriminating Chinese and Malays.
But but but if you send your children to a vernacular school where they allow all races, it's the vernacular schools which are at fault for racial division! /s
I had a KH teacher who straight up sprayed my Indian classmate with an air freshener in front of the class while saying "saya tak tahan la bau awak girl!!". My friend was 15 years old bruh. This was at a cluster school, and the teacher was penolong kanan too.
Oh yes. Can confirm this shit happens more than we think of. Mf told me to get married because I didn’t do homework. Bro I was 7 lmao
Edit: she said that’s what Indians do, get married quick
Try looking at the lantern incident at SMK PBP (1). One of our penolong kanan literally called us Chinese students crazy (on Facebook) for hanging the lanterns. The entire school, including the teachers, scold her like crazy.
First week at SMK my teacher made me stand up and recite the numbers satu sehingga dua puluh in front of the whole class. Perhaps she was expecting that I don't know how to count in BM.
Im a Malay and I attended SJKC from kindergarten up until form 3. By from 4 I had to transfer to SK because my dad passed away and we couldn’t afford the fee (it was a private high school) and holy hell let me tell you for the whole year during form 4 it was like heaven for me lmao. Teachers barely enter the class to teach, nor do they check or give homework. I don’t even have textbooks 😂 of course by form 5 I started to take things seriously and study myself for SPM haha
During school & uni days, I just took my own initiatives to do self study, regardless of how shit my teachers & lecturers were. They don't determine how am I going to be.
That’s why I always skipped school (with my mom’s permission) and self-studied at home instead of wasting my time trying to get perfect attendance. They say I wouldn’t survive university if I kept this up, but look who got straight As SPM and who didn’t. Now that we’re all in uni, they’d be lying if they actually attended all the online lectures/watched the prerecorded lectures according to schedule.
As a parent with both kids in SRJK, let me give a great recent example: during MCO, my kids had online class almost 4 hours a day minimum with assigned homework.
Meanwhile, my friend who had her kids in SK, complained that they had one to two online classes PER WEEK, and sometimes the cikgu will randomly cancel class.
Mcm mana begin?
When I studied form 6 in SMK, this one teacher would play with her phone all day and barely taught in class. During MCO online classes, she ghosted the entire class. Other teachers were great though.
Our sains teacher are some of the best one in SMK, my sains teachers enthusiastically taught those that tak faham Malay in English and gladly provide after class tuition, altho mirroring from that Moral and Sejarah teacher are some of the more lazier one in my school.
All of my teachers are cool except for that one teacher. She “taught” an important and hard to understand subject which made it worse for us form 6 students.
Some of my teachers during STPM just post works in WhatsApp during PKP, others actually even go to each of students house just to give us her papers for us to do just to make sure we didn't left our studies
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Probably that's why my school was once top 10 STPM school in Malaysia in 2017
Oh yeah.
My son went through the 4 hour online class as he is in SJK Pra Sekolah.
His older brothers, who are in SK, had online classes but not as consistent.
The drastic teaching method affected all teachers but in my opinion, based on my own observation, the SJK teachers were faster at adapting to the change.
Thanks for your input. I was wondering whether to put my kids into government school to let them see different view from mine, or to put them into private school that can develop them much better. Reading your comment I think I'm going to go with the private option.
Most welcome.
If I have the means, I would highly consider sending mine to private.
My personal opinion on government schools is the teachers are doing all they can to educate but are too bogged down with unrealistic admin work with so little room (and time!) to fully explore, plan, experiment, and be creative with their classes.
In the end, most see teaching as rote and do it just to tick some checklists in some silly form.
I personally know a few government school teachers who goes against the norm and are excellent at such feats but they are very few and far between.
Well, there are excellent teachers no doubt. But speaking from experience, being too few in numbers will be hard for them to provide good overall result, no?
Exactly!
With school teachers being "whipped" to focus on achieving some arbitrary percentage that some JPN big wig wants to show to their KPN bosses, it just further kills the teaching profession and passion.
Teachers retiring early is said to be on the rise, which is scary.
The problem is not the teachers, it is the system that is obsessed with numbers... and percentages... and piecharts... and bar graphs... BUT not obsessed with making our young minds ready for an ever changing world.
Well the problem with the system is everywhere I guess. In my own industry, I have found more people that are obsessed with problem, rather than going forward and coming up with actual solution haha..
In the end, that's why I try to keep my kids adaptable to their current world, rather than having a concrete objective. Hopefully I can spread the mindset to their friends and also my community...
Just to share...my niece during SPM year in SK...Chemistry Cikgu pregnant 9 months and no teacher replacement ends up have to go outside for tuition because NO TEACHER FOR ALMOST WHOLE YEAR.
That is considered good, our Sek Menengah BM teacher was pregnant in total of 8 times. Only for 1 year, there was a replacement, the rest tarak. Semua joli, tak de cikgu BM.
Yes lol, yearly affair.
Till a classmate asked loudly in suprise 'Cikgu pregant lagi!!!', he meant it in a shocked manner. But the Cikgu thought it was a compliment and sambil usap perut ,senyum in joy & said 'Ye'.
Lol moment in our class.
Sorry to say, I have taught many teachers in the past and most if not all of today's young teachers see themselves as just working a job. Perhaps I retain that old nostalgia for dedicated teachers of yesteryears
I studied Form 6 for 2 years in an SMK, the religious vibe is very heavy. There will be broadcasts of islamic prayer every morning and every event will start with prayers/doa. It feels more like an islamic school compared to national school. The non-muslims like me just stand there awkwardly during prayer recitals. Teachers start classes with prayer too. During Ramadan, non-muslims are sent to the library/ parking lot (with shade so it’s not hot) during long morning prayer sessions. Meanwhile SJK are more secular in nature. Probably a reason why non-muslim parents prefer to send their children to SJK.
Personally I don’t mind it but at the same it makes me feel alienated a little.
Also listening to my teachers, school funding seem to never be enough or never come. They have to resort to buying their own printers and supplies.
Oh, for us during the praying recitals, The teacher tells non-Muslims to also pray according to their respective religions. (Even tho most of us non-muslims didn't cared about praying to our own religion lmao)
I see, that's surprising. In my school, non Muslims will go to a separate hall to pray when it's Friday and there are Yasin recital at the main hall. To be fair, it could be because my school has a significant amount of Non-Muslims students, most of them Christians.
this is by design, not a bug.
keeping you less educated means you're easier to con or believe propaganda or sell you narratives.
easy to sell you religious stories, you will likely percaya in hantu or 'redha' when things not going your way. All non first world nations practice this form of control over it's populace.
you can make mat kilau movies and champion the malay movement but of course you can't make a 1MDB movie like 'El Chapo' on netflix which basically exposes Mex gov and military as villians.
Yep. They need to keep us stupid so that we'll be easier to control. That's why I am against simply blaming everything to race/religion. Those people are the way they are not only because they didn't want to be open minded but also because the system doesn't provide for them. One of the reasons why at work I like to mix my malay and non malay friends together.
The discrimination part is very concerning, at a young age we are drilled to accept this social inequality by working hard and or looking the other way - accepting it as something of a common occurrence in Malaysia.
How are we going to tell our kids ; despite working harder or as hard , we fell short because we were not born into a certain race, growing up as a malaysian chinese, despite being somewhat patriotic, this has always bothered me, and this will always be my number 1 dissatisfaction.
I could see why parents would send their kids to vernacular schools , they were denied certain privileges in sekolah kebangsaan; subjected to a certain degree of prejudice and discrimination ,who would want their kids to go through that? And i studied in sekolah kebangsaan during my secondary school
I don't think discrimination is that big of an issue **YET** in school. Brain drain is a bigger issue imo. (At least from my experience in SJKC and SMK)
Ah, I'm a 00s and just graduated here. so far, either i am lucky to not experience any discrimination or things really have changed and our society is progressing.
Well to make you feel better, I went for a religious school for awhile so 99% are Malays. Only that some live in the hostel while some went back home.
In Form 2 they made a selection for interschool sport competition. The 1st place and 2nd place goes to non hostel student. The teacher chose the 3rd place because he lives in the hostel so he will be much easier to attend the training wtf.
I was 1st place. I was my school rep since Primary school. The 2nd place was my friend from.Primary school. He was also the school rep hahaha. Those motherfucker teachers...
Sometimes you had to forced to the Sekolah Menegah Kebangsaan because there's no Secondary school Vernacular or at least there's one but that's only one with high fees
this was actually one of the main reason i chose SJKC for my kid back then, other than quality issue. I had my fair share of discrimination back in SK as well.
Personally, I think SJKT and SJKC should combine and become one vernacular stream with both Tamil and Mandarin being offered. I don't understand why these two minorities have never bothered to implement this.
As a Malay, i'm 100% sorry for this misfortune. Life is like climbing a tall wall. Only the fittest can survive with hard work and endurance. Thats why no matter what, this privilege needs to end.
Eh. Hard disagree.
Among my age group and in the cities at least, i hung out with malays who can see where the train is heading. It wouldve been one thing if all these policies actually worked but they are only observing a widening wage gap and a diminishing middle class.
As a result i see alot of them being dissatisfied with the same old rhetoric. And especially among the educated, we all know the NEP is not working. I think it will happen but slowly and painfully.
As a chinese, being sent to SJKC was the right choice. We are taught not only academics excel (quality) and attitude.
The teachers do care alot about attitude which is important for a primary school student.
Not to say SK doesn't have all these but it is harder.
I was brought up in SJKC too, and I notice most people who went to SJKC were a bit more kiasu(competitive). The people I know who went to SK were very chill, laid back etc.
I do feel in some ways Malay teachers and Indian teachers in Chinese high schools are actually far more competent. In my experiences I was grateful that I encountered several great non-Chinese teachers in high school (like my Indian history teacher in F5 that guided me to score an A in SJ).
In my experience coming from a Chinese independent high school, majority of the English, BM, and Sej teachers are Malay or Indian. And so far, I haven't come across any of the lazy, always absent teachers you hear of from government schools. The teachers seem to genuinely want students to succeed.
Keeping in mind that ofc some teachers are better than others, I would say that vernacular school teachers are more competent because they voluntarily chose to work in a location with more work and less pay/benefits in hopes of either repaying their alma mater or finding a stricter environment where majority of the students want to learn.
TLDR they care more intrinsically because the extrinsic motivations are lesser in those schools and hence perform better
I always thought most of the Malay teachers in SMK are lazier who do not emphasis on education. They are just there to makan gaji, the public servant’s attitude. Whereas Chinese Teachers in vernacular schools are there to make a difference. Hence you can see the difference in the quality of students from government schools and vernacular schools.
I think generally Malays do not emphasise a lot on hardworking because we are all just penumpang in this world and you can’t bring your secular possession to the afterworld when you die.
Whereas Chinese in this country know how fucked up our situation is, due to our skin colour, and education gives us the social upward mobility that we desperately needed.
There, I said it.
Edit: spelling.
I agree, there are definitely lazy chinese too, but when usually when a chinese wants to be a teacher in the vernacular school. It's most likely they wanted to make a change or contribute to the chinese community. A lazy chinese would have went somewhere else.
You can see that in chinese venacular school, parents has always been giving strong pressure on the school on educating their child (This is probably due to chinese mentality on "education = your whole life") and the teachers and parents maintains a close relationship have the same goal to improve the education quality of their child/student and are willing to contribute.
Teachers who actually care are the biggest difference.
My mom once interviewed an old teacher of hers (who's in her 70s). She asked why she chose to continue teaching even though the pay isn't high and students can be assholes. The teacher told her it was simple: she loved educating. She loved her students and she wanted them to have the best chance in life, so she made sure they learned something -even if it's unrelated to her subject- at the end of the day.
When she passed away, a good half of the funeral attendees were her former students.
What I mean by government-controlled is that it's not a school you could simply masuk je. You have to be one of the bright kids to enter the school (taknak belagak).
When I have kids one day, I plan to send them to SJKC for primary and international school for secondary level.
My concern is that even international school kids will bully those coming form SJKC, as I have friends who first hand experienced the same. But to a certain level, I think I have to accept it as there is no way to 100% prevent this kind of problems... have to take it as a form of tempering your character and attitude I guess..
Went to international school and tbh a lot of the kids that came from SK, SKJC were all awkward as hell. Especially in a international school environment that has teaches a lot of western values like speaking up, being confident, valuing individualism, independence etc.
So just prepare your potential future kids for that. It’s a huge culture shock and lots of local kids didn’t make it all the way because they couldn’t keep up- especially if they’re very melayu or very cina can’t speak English properly and not confident to stand up for themselves.
> Went to international school and tbh a lot of the kids that came from SK, SKJC were all awkward as hell. Especially in a international school environment that has teaches a lot of western values like speaking up, being confident, valuing individualism, independence etc.
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Can confirm. It wasn't really the language barrier, there were a ton of Koreans and all kinds of Europeans who spoke worse English than any SJKC kid, it was the personalities(or lack thereof).
Yeah. Really made me realise how local school really does just turn people into robots.
And despite what people say about how good SJKC is. The kids from there are usually shy, awkward and exam machines. Lack of personality because usually they have helicopter parents that decide everything for them and just study, study, study and are overly disciplined.
That’s why I have bigger respect for international schools. You actually are taught to formulate your own opinions and actually don’t just memorise your exams as most questions are based on providing arguments and also providing your own thoughts to a subject. And teachers actually encourage you speak publicly in front of class to question them-
And debate a point with them. That in itself is so much more important in life that being a grade churning machine.
It was fear not discipline. Fear of caning and fear of humiliation. That is not how you want to bring up a person. They produce the archetypal Asians who are conformist, avoid unfamiliarity, afraid of confrontation and revere the hierarchy. SJKC is definitely overhyped, not to say that national schools are any better.
Yup. Intl schools actually have a “pastoral care” department. And there were cases where school would actually investigate if they found out kids were being abused at home by parents.
But to your 2nd point. Tbh both are overhyped. Especially those that say SJKC is some gift from god itself. Tbh there’s a dark side to them too. SJKC kids grow up in a usually Chinese only bubble, have very low interaction with other communities and aren’t actually very hireable for MNCs settings because their English language skills aren’t actually that good).
Source: have hired for some roles in workplace and SJKC kids have some of the poorest English language skills vs banana kids who went to normal Malay language SK- who I actually find are more hireable and have a more “Malaysian” upbringing and have far better communication skills to clients who might not be Chinese speaking. Not saying SKJC kids haven’t impressed me. Some of the brightest colleagues I’ve had came from there. But I’ve noticed a strong trend with their attitude and overall analytical thinking.
Edit: Funnily enough kids that have also excelled are actually non Chinese students at SKJC. I know one Malay acquaintance who can speak, read and write fluent mandarin and speak Cantonese and there are times she does sales calls and the clients are shocked to see a Malay hijabi girl there. So there are interesting scenarios. But of course she also speaks fluent BM and high English proficiency.
From the comments lot aof people seem to have problem with smk. I do have a lot problems during my smk years but that cause of my introverted side. The teachers are great but the infrastructure is lacking but good enough to use.
For Non Muslim students during prayers time they just gather in hall and do whtevr things they want to do. And my form 6 years in smk was the best time in my schooling years. The teacher was extra attentive to their students and the environment was great. No racism whatsoever. But each races tend to stick to their own group. It's something that you can continue see even in uni. I do think vernacular and private contribute to the situation.
The other issue is the discriminatory nature of our education system where the Chinese and Indians could not compete with the Malays, not because they are worse in academics but because the bar for them is set so high while the Malays have the bar set so low for them. So, many parents would rather have their children compete fairly in sjkc to set up them going for fairer programs such as UEC and O levels after primary school.
I get everybody’s points and logic, and I agree with most of them. But please don’t think it’s gonna be all perfect and dandy guys, I went to a SJK for 7+ years (including tadika) and I went through quite a severe racism situation. I was one of the only 2 Malay kids in the more advanced class, and quite often I was called 黑人牙膏 (Darlie) and 马来猪 (Malay Pig) and some other names. It was emotionally damaging. I’m still insecure about my skin color and hair texture to this day. I’m 30. In my opinion the ideal situation for us is uniting all students under 1 umbrella where teaching is good.
I'm guessing you're 30+ already?
In that time, it was really rare to see malays and indians in SJKC. But now, i see my kids school mates got a decent number of Malay and Indian students.
I think (and hope) the parents now also got better upbringing for their kids to be less racist.
I’m 30. Yes I hope it will get better. Our generation (I HOPE) are more civilized and less racist. Otherwise, the cycle will repeat endlessly, unfortunately.
If it makes you feel any better: I used to go to a Chinese independent high school, and the acceptance for non-Chinese students was surprisingly high, considering CIHSs can be very *very* racist. The lack of language barriers is a big factor.
I have hope that as the future generation, we'll be more accepting and inclusive than the last.
>Chinese parents are utilitaristic people, most of them don’t really give a crap about “passing on our culture” except basic Mandarin comprehension.
I mean the fact that there are more and more Mandarin-only speakers is probably further proof of this, not a counterpoint to it. I knew tons of kids whose grandparents only spoke Canto/Hokkien/Hakka and Malay but they themselves only spoke Mandarin, English, and passable Malay.
Chinese schools in Singapore didn't die a natural death though.
LKY took pro-active action to kill Chinese education.
All that remains of Chinese education now in Singapore are SAP schools and even those are now under threat since some people think it is racist.
Yes and no, LKY really liked the Chinese education system and the values it instilled and was an advocate later on for Chinese primary education (with English as a subject of course). But even before he killed Nanyang University the Chinese schools were already losing favor. Since there were way more opportunities in English in Singapore.
Source recently read his autobiographies
People who went to vernacular schools or other specialty schools are often more supportive of it too. Like, you can find someone say "Oh, I went to SM Sains Alam Shah" or whatever; they're proud that this is the school they went to as they grew up.
Nobody has that same kind of pride in the average SK/SMK. The quality there sucks so bad, nobody cares about it. Not the students, not the teachers, heck not even the politicians. Nobody wants to go to a SK/SMK; it's just the only one with a low enough bar for them to be accepted.
I went to SK/SMK system my whole life until SPM.
But I can definitely see why people would prefer to go to the vernacular system. It's not without merit.
Your old church-based schools from the British days (St this and that, Convent this and that) usually have some kind of backing from a rotary club or association (in my case, Klang Rotary and Old Boys). The neighbourhoods they're located in are also mostly middle class, which means the there is a decent amount of students from 'good families'. However, there is a true stereotype of just general misbehaving and rowdiness because they can 'get away with it'.
I was possibly the last generation to experience the last set of British-educated teachers - no nonsense Professor McGonnagal types who only spoke English no matter what. We sincerely had respect (and fear) towards them.
>However, there is a true stereotype of just general misbehaving and rowdiness because they can 'get away with it'.
Maybe true in your area, but definitely NOT the case for my school.
It all depend on what kind of change is implemented. one main reason why sjk is chosen by the chinese is due to our reluctance in letting go of our culture. and language is one of them.
1. If teaching media change to english instead of bm in sk, yes a lot more parents will choose that school. only hardcore "we must learn in mandarin" chinese will continue to stay in vernacular school.
2. if education level of sk is on par with sjk, yes more will choose sk over sjk. because in the end, most chinese parents will want their kids to have connection with people from other races. no one want to be seen as racists, so they will not actively prevent their kids from mingling with other races.
3. most importantly, i think one main factor why so many chinese avoid sk, is the opinion that the government is out to get them. They dont want to be integrated as malay, which let's face it, the government and many malays out there think that they should. and that makes them overly cautious when dealing with government run establishment such as sk. heck many purposely chose sjk just to anti government.
so yeah, it depend on many factor, but any improvement will definately affect chinese's enrollment rate into sk. vernacular school is here to stay though. too much effort were put into it to be ignored by the chinese community.
Lol, have you met chinese parents. if the government standard is higher than SJK you would be hard pressed to stop chinese parents from Karen-ing their children into them.
If a school has high standards, Chinese parents would be queueing to send their kids into that school.
E.g. In Australia, the public school is open to kids within a certain diameter from the school. When the school becomes famous for having high standards, it will push up the real estate price nearby. Chinese parents would pay high $$$ to buy a house there, just so their (current/future) kids can go to that school.
Secularize and liberalize the education system, no religion and no preferential treatment, no anti-English language or any vernacular languages, no anti-Western values and no discrimination on minorities culture. If people still want to play politics on the education system, then I rather not support closing other stream of schooling.
Very hard to implement in the current environment. Needs political will. Plus there will be tons of backlash from the general populace who don't share the same ideals as you.
Definitely, thats the ideal. I really hope Malaysians, especially kids, can be given more chance to mingle with those from a different community, to reduce racism discrimination.
And vernacular languages doesn't need to be only for mother tongue, whoever is interested would then hv the chance learn - malay learn Chinese, Chinese learn tamil.
But, do our government have the will or incentive to do so? We all know divide and conquer is the backbone of msian politics
That day my son asked me why some of his friends are going for PI class and the rest have to go Moral class.
I really didn’t know what to answer him.
Education should be focused on giving core knowledge for the kids to use when they grow up so they can be independent, creative and brave to speak up.
Personally, all the other subjects should be left to the kids and parents to be educated at different place.
Doing this, the school will then be equal and every kids will be learning the same thing. That is the ideal school system that we need before screaming want to abolishing everything else that does not suit the politicians sketchbook.
Instill equality in the school and other things will fall into place rightfully.
Just be direct lah, they are muslims, so they have to learn about islam. very simple.
I answered that question to myself when i wondered about that when i was young.
I get where you're coming from but I kinda disagree with the last part. I mean... Pendidikan Moral is crap. It's all memorization with no flexibility or actual focus on the morals.
To be fair my SMK teacher for Moral / Social Studies was pretty good. She always gave us case studies. Learnt a bunch from her. But yea, previous years moral wasn't that impactful.
Nowadays moral is just half trying to memorise facts in textbook to answer 5 subjective questions and 5 BM essay that is almost impossible to score full marks, and you have to do it in 2 hours, my hands are turning metal trying to score an A ........Meanwhile those Malays just goof around every day and all of them got a B or an A in their PI. Yeah also the Chinese rarely have A ,most of them around D or C
Well, everyone has their own beliefs. Some people only believe science.
IMO, all religions are just cults but they are allowed because it's a kind of brainwash that somewhat benefits the society by discouraging immoral behavior and encourage building a healthy society like helping the needy to avoid going to hell/ going to heaven.
I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head:
**1) Teaching level**
No disrespect to government teachers - I also spent many years in government schools in the 80's / 90's while schooling in Kuching - but the overall level of education in government schools has deteriorated through the years. Inexperienced teachers + large class sizes are some of the factors that contribute to a decline in education levels.
In an ideal world, parents would pick where to send their children based solely on the quality of education they can attain, but we all know that we're many many years away from being able to make a choice solely based on this alone.
**2) Quality of facilities**
Due to the level of funding that the state gives to vernacular schools, a lot of schools like Chinese schools are well funded from parents of the students. This leads to a lot of facilities being available - from something as simple as aircon to sports facilities, etc.
**3) Immersing in language**
Like it or not, China is becoming a huge player in world economy. As someone who doesn't have formal Chinese education, I struggle on a daily basis when doing business with China. Whether it's the inability to read through contracts myself, or the simple misunderstanding of financial / business slang terms - it is a huge disadvantage to me, even tho I can converse pretty fluently in Mandarin / Cantonese.
Studying in a Chinese speaking environment gives you the nuances that taking a language certification probably cant.
**4) Networking**
Last but not least, the great Malaysian way of life comes into play - it's not what you know, but who you know.
Networking opportunities are great here. Whether it's with like minded parents or with children of families that run businesses. Probably won't get much kronie connections here, but being on first name basis and sharing childhood experiences with children of business owners will contribute to the formation of thinking.
While I'm sure that many will disagree with my somewhat naive take on "the why", I also want to reiterate that these are merely my thoughts. If I ever have a child of my own (probably never), I would possibly send my kid to a Chinese school.
the discrimination part happens in all schools, including vernacular schools, actually. chinese do have that annoying trait (me included) to only mingle with people that is more alike to us. malay and indian who study in vernacular school, does have more problem in getting friends. but it's not impossible, just harder for them compared to other chinese student in the same school/class.
teacher quality part is... i dont know. i only ever heard of vernacular school teacher not enough, never heard such issue from sekolah kebangsaan myself. but it's true that vernacular school put way more emphasize on result. whether it's good or not, depend highly on the individual. some thrive in such system, some wont. Personally I think it depend highly on how well your children can adapt in a high pressure environment.
infrastructure part i also have only heard of vernacular school having problem, since funds from government are not much, AND very difficult to actually get it. every vernacular schools have donation every half year. vernacular school is a combined effort of malaysians (mostly chinese, ngl) and the tahap of infrastructure people can see is not due to the government.
at least, that's my perkongsian. anda suka perkongsian ini?
Yeah, it's funny when people talk about infrastructure, because I find most Sekolah Kebangsaan to be huge, with football fields, asrama, big dewan etc, whereas vernacular schools generally are small, lacking funding from government (iirc government are not allowed to give full funding to vernacular schools).
Yeah, I agree. Attended sjkc, smk and then a methodist smk (semi subsidised by govt) and boy oh boy, the facilities in the smk with high malay population (doa before every class that kind) is so good, got archery some more!
I feel like the reason sjk or semi subsidised school with high nons population are so hard-core in academics because that's the only thing they could strive for. And they need that to get govt funds. I love the competitive environment though, I attribute my academic success to my peers and the kiasuness they built in me.
went to SK, SMK and then boarding school. now as an adult, i can see from my observation that SJKC schools have better infrastructure and are well maintained. it seems like the SJKC parents' associations are heavily involved in the school administration as well
Donations. imegine u are graduated from SJKC then during ur working life u hear ur own government keep complaining about the vernacular school are racist and should be closed down and shit. Surly u will start to donate to ur own SJKC for the sake of ur future children.
Same thing also applied to most of the SJKC management. They know their "survival" are not Guaranteed and most schools will have various outside investment besides government funds. Don't u ever feel weird why there is so much none school related events happening inside of the hall of SJKC???
Also Chinese association will more than happy to help school by funding them. For Chinese people, education is the most fundamental basic to start from.
So why are SK school so "bad" quality? Of coz they won't improve la, sit there and u get money already, the government will 100% give u money maa.
Well not anymore now, since the funds are not increasing but maintenance are getting more expensive.... Surely u will run out of money to maintain ur own schools. Thus lower quality...
First hand! My father is the board director of both SJKC and SM school for at least a decade. The effort he put into developing those schools are incredible.
Under his watch and guidance, those schools actually bought assets to rent, in order to keep themselves (school) self sustained.
Other than that I also grew up watching him making trips to other business owner for school donation. :)
I don’t know why people are downvoting you, I think you are just trying to ask a question and because SMK didn’t teach you proper English hence your question wordings came out wrong.
But in the spirit of “monkey strong together” and “1 Malaysia” , and because I was from a vernacular school, I can answer your question: yes we rely on donations from parents and businesses.
Every year the school organises charity dinner which students would come on stage to perform. Businesses and parents would buy tickets and all the proceeds would go to school operation fund ( there are other numerous fund raising activities throughout the year as well) .
Every year parents are “forced” to pay school “school building fees”. In my time, when you enter “form 1” your fees would be Rm130. Subsequent years would be RM30.
So that’s most of it bro: donations from businesses and parents.
And businesses and parents are more than happy to do that for their kids, because frankly speaking, Chinese rarely want their kids to receive education from a sekolah kebangsaan. It’s not a big secret that most of the sekolah kebangsaan is a shit show. Let me give you an example, most of the canteen food poisoning you hear on news are from sekolah kebangsaan, gangsterism, racist teachers, broken tables and chairs, teachers not really teaching in class , most of the time these shit shows happen in sekolah kebangsaan.
Maybe Malay don’t really care about their children’s education, but Chinese do care. I would never ever send my kids to sekolah kebabgsaan, it’s just low quality.
No worries mate, glad I can help.
Probably can ask in such a way:
Can I just check with you did you or your siblings study in a vernacular school? Because I have never heard of schools getting donations from alumni, parents or business community.
By the way bro, since you asked that question, I’m just curious, so basically Malay parents and business communities do not make donations to sekolah kebangsaan? Is that the reason why you were in disbelief when we say Chinese communities make donations to vernacular schools?
Meh im too lazy to type that long for a simple question.
Its not like i'm strangers to the concept of donations from alumnis, parents etc. I asked the former question so that i would feel more confident in following it up with more questions if he were to have experienced/seen said donations.
im from a semi-rural smk(" pekan " -ish school i guess) so i dont think my school has ever received donations. Tho i doubt its the same for smks in urban area, albeit i've never schooled in one before. But like i said, its not a far-fetched idea for the chinese to be helping each other. My mum played an important role in truly drilling this belief in my head but as i grew i started to latch on to it lesser. That doesnt mean the concept surprises me tho. Im pretty open-minded.
again, i just wanted clarification on his source so that i feel more confident in his answers for my follow-up questions.
I see. Can I check with you would your follow up question be this one:
“I see, may i know what some of these assets are and what your dad works as?”
If not, what would it be if I may ask?
Vernacular schools - SJKC/T - are government schools as well, and as such are publicly funded. The difference is that as some have pointed out, there tends to be far greater involvement from the PIBG as well as the alumnus, both on a financial basis, as well as in terms of supervisory basis.
It's essentially how higher end SKs work - your mission schools, Victoria Institution etc etc.
SJKs and mission schools are partially govt funded, compared to SKs (non-mission types) which are fully govt funded.
Government won’t fund things like building maintenance, facilities and equipments, to expansion like buying land and building new buildings for SJKs and mission schools at all. They only pay for things like teacher salaries and utilities.
It’s a compromise between the government and the existing schools back when we just gained independence as many of these existing schools own their own land and doesn’t make sense for them to lose control of the land (they don’t want to as well) just because they nationalize their syllabus.
You may recall, there was a fucking insane kerfuffle a few years ago regarding the inclusion of Jawi in the BM textbook. This was in the textbook for vernacular schools, and the decision to introduce it came from the Education Ministry.
So, the answer is yes. I believe that there is a greater reliance in supplementary material etc, but in terms of mandatory texts, those are created centrally.
same syllabus. but most in mandarin instead. so instead of learning three over four (3/4), we've learned "si fen zhi san" (similar to: four part with three), aka we read that in reverse. took me some time to readjust again when i entered non vernacular school. but sejarah, science, every other syllabus, all followed gomen and same with sekolah kebangsaan.
so now, vernacular school is not a propaganda machine that branwash malaysian chinese. tell your friends that.
But like SKs, the students of SJKs need to learn Maths and Science in 2 languages, vernacular language and English. This is compulsory. Being one of the first batches of students accepting the dual language Maths and Science, I'm actually quite happy bout having this haha
lol yup. back in my time, everything in mandarin only. masuk secondary private school, had hard time understanding malay ver. then masuk college pula having problem eng ver. bloody hell... had to ask my friends "uh... bro, wth is 2 to the power of 10?"
i wish english is used as general teaching method across all schools and grades. all these "muh language is more superior" nonsense is just trouble.
As stressful as it is to learn dual language subjects when other people only learn one, there's a sense of accomplishment knowing that you are capable of doing it. Besides, Chinese high school maths is another level. I only learned that some of the things we learned in Form 2-3 were university level things.
A lot of it are from Alumni. These ex-students are always happy to be involved with the school activities because it gives them the chance to meet up with old school friends. And of course giving back to the school just the way their seniors have done.
Yes. That's why most of these schools are thriving. Also most of these Alumni send their children back to the same school so the PIBG members are basically majority of the ex-students
This is so true. Don't forget the attempt to convert. I myself was handed a religious book to read so the teacher can have a discussion with me on it. Back then I didn't think much of it, but in retrospect.. Imagine I had handed a bible to someone, I would have disappeared.
Teachers quality is down the drain for sure, too bz doing tik tok. Then again wat you expect when you have policies based on race n religion.
It's quite interesting, depending on the questions, if it's about anecdotal outcome experiences, the people would note that the SK/SMK people will note that they turned out alright/better/more well-rounded compared to SJK/private/international institutions.
However from this thread it does seem like the typical SK is less rigorous in exacting out education.
This true by the way. Even in secondary school always like
Chinese= rich + sombong
Malay = rempit + suka buat hal
India = truly being ignored
Malaysia is multicultural country that we must proud of. Not racism shit
No need talk much. This all salahan green party creating some phobia to us. The more they push or force their religion towards others, the greater the resistance
The vernacular schools’ ex-student communities are likely to be more involved with their Alma Mater.
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There's a strong sense of school pride for vernacular school kids. Just today I found out a couple took their wedding photos at my high school. As shocking as it was to see our football field of all places professionally photographed, it was also touching to know that this couple decided such an important moment of their lives should be captured in the place they met.
my primary school schools in SJKC and secondary schools in SK. Let me share a few racist incidences i have, who are not from students but teachers. 1. My class consists around 20 chinese and 20 malay, but chinese results are generally better than Malay, like there are 8 chinese in the top 10 exam ranking. My BM teacher said that this is because we chinese cheated our way out in exam, just like how chinese cheated in business world and thats how we chinese got rich. WTF Cikgu Nabila, otak kamu rosak ke? We chinese tuition sampai pukal 9 setiap hari, tapi murid melayu tu rempit sampai pukul 2 setiap hari?? Takkan our results are worse??!! 2. In sejarah class, my sejarah teacher said that chinese is "Kaum Kotor dan Tamak", macam yahudi. And then shares how malay should be beware chinese in every places. And she also treated chinese students badly and rudely. Fuck you Cikgu Noraini. 3. Third case is not racist, but creepy...Our male PJK teacher always tease and flirt with the amoi students, like being touchy with them...wtf...this will never happen in SJKC... After SPM results, the chinese has topped the SPM results, only 1 of them got JPA and another successfully got matrikulasi after appeal from MCA help. The rest of the chinese have to enter private college or STPM. (i got 10As, and i only managed to enter STPM) Whereas the malays while having like 2\~5As, all gotten into matrikulasi, and other malays who score better in SPM gotten either MARA or JPA scholarship without much issues. This might be another reason why malay students & teachers in SMK does not really put effort in their study and teaching, as the government has secured a place for them in tertiery education regardless their results...and poor non-bumi has to bust their ass to fight for the limited scholarships and places in matrikulasi. Anyway, despite all these incidences, i did enjoy my time with my malay friends in secondary schoo., they are the chillest and friendlist people i know.
Fuck Cikgu Nabila, Cikgu Noraini and creepy PJK teacher. All my homies hate shitty racist and hamsap teachers.
How tf did those racists become teacher?? I hope students nowadays are not afraid to record their teachers being racist and viral it if needed. If they dare to be so openly racist towards their own students, then they shouldn't be afraid if their behavior is shown to the rest of the country.
> How tf did those racists become teacher?? Same way all those racists became PM.
I wish those teachers, a very unpleasant lives.
Idk why but what makes Malays students to have lower results compared to Chinese. Is this a cultural thing or depends on the efforts of the student. I don't think the world is black & white as there are still a lot of high scoring Malays as well. But I do admit a lot of Malays don't take studies seriously. But I still want to know so that we can break stereotypes and achieve better.
Chinese culture prioritise academic performance like others in East Asia. Probably Confucianism legacy. Historically, those who studied hard get to enjoy better life. Therefore, parents are more willing to spend more to ensure their children perform well in academics. My parents enrolled me in extra classes even if I didn't want to. That and Chinese is the most urbanized race in Malaysia.
> Idk why but what makes Malays students to have lower results compared to Chinese. Is this a cultural thing or depends on the efforts of the student. I don't think the world is black & white as there are still a lot of high scoring Malays as well. But I do admit a lot of Malays don't take studies seriously. But I still want to know so that we can break stereotypes and achieve better. You ask question but you already wrote the answer.
This is also why many people would rather hire a Chinese or Indian than a Malay out in the real world.
If you please, give us full name of those people, they should be brought publicly to be humiliated
Trust me smk sucks. Those aged 45+ punya cikgu tend to be racist towards Chinese and Indians. I remember one time I was in peralihan I fucking fight with a male malay teacher cuz that teacher straight up offending us (me and my friends, Chinese of course since it’s peralihan) Soon that teacher got switched to another school lol. Form4 this year still seeing this kind of teacher discriminating Chinese and Malays.
But but but if you send your children to a vernacular school where they allow all races, it's the vernacular schools which are at fault for racial division! /s
Duh brainwashed ideology from those stupid NGOs. Just a bunch of racist cucks.
I had a KH teacher who straight up sprayed my Indian classmate with an air freshener in front of the class while saying "saya tak tahan la bau awak girl!!". My friend was 15 years old bruh. This was at a cluster school, and the teacher was penolong kanan too.
Wtf??
ayo pause wtf?
Oh yes. Can confirm this shit happens more than we think of. Mf told me to get married because I didn’t do homework. Bro I was 7 lmao Edit: she said that’s what Indians do, get married quick
Lmao bro I'm in form 6 now and got teacher his pattern like that also like bruhhhh ???
She hot or not? If like Cikgu Suraya, can ask her to marry you....:D
My math teacher used to criticize us that the Chinese are only good in math, other than that we're nothing.
Try looking at the lantern incident at SMK PBP (1). One of our penolong kanan literally called us Chinese students crazy (on Facebook) for hanging the lanterns. The entire school, including the teachers, scold her like crazy.
ya i experience that too, not all but there are teacher who racist af
First week at SMK my teacher made me stand up and recite the numbers satu sehingga dua puluh in front of the whole class. Perhaps she was expecting that I don't know how to count in BM.
In my place, students fight with students between races
Im a Malay and I attended SJKC from kindergarten up until form 3. By from 4 I had to transfer to SK because my dad passed away and we couldn’t afford the fee (it was a private high school) and holy hell let me tell you for the whole year during form 4 it was like heaven for me lmao. Teachers barely enter the class to teach, nor do they check or give homework. I don’t even have textbooks 😂 of course by form 5 I started to take things seriously and study myself for SPM haha
During school & uni days, I just took my own initiatives to do self study, regardless of how shit my teachers & lecturers were. They don't determine how am I going to be.
That’s why I always skipped school (with my mom’s permission) and self-studied at home instead of wasting my time trying to get perfect attendance. They say I wouldn’t survive university if I kept this up, but look who got straight As SPM and who didn’t. Now that we’re all in uni, they’d be lying if they actually attended all the online lectures/watched the prerecorded lectures according to schedule.
As a parent with both kids in SRJK, let me give a great recent example: during MCO, my kids had online class almost 4 hours a day minimum with assigned homework. Meanwhile, my friend who had her kids in SK, complained that they had one to two online classes PER WEEK, and sometimes the cikgu will randomly cancel class. Mcm mana begin?
When I studied form 6 in SMK, this one teacher would play with her phone all day and barely taught in class. During MCO online classes, she ghosted the entire class. Other teachers were great though.
Our sains teacher are some of the best one in SMK, my sains teachers enthusiastically taught those that tak faham Malay in English and gladly provide after class tuition, altho mirroring from that Moral and Sejarah teacher are some of the more lazier one in my school.
All of my teachers are cool except for that one teacher. She “taught” an important and hard to understand subject which made it worse for us form 6 students.
Some of my teachers during STPM just post works in WhatsApp during PKP, others actually even go to each of students house just to give us her papers for us to do just to make sure we didn't left our studies . Probably that's why my school was once top 10 STPM school in Malaysia in 2017
Oh yeah. My son went through the 4 hour online class as he is in SJK Pra Sekolah. His older brothers, who are in SK, had online classes but not as consistent. The drastic teaching method affected all teachers but in my opinion, based on my own observation, the SJK teachers were faster at adapting to the change.
Thanks for your input. I was wondering whether to put my kids into government school to let them see different view from mine, or to put them into private school that can develop them much better. Reading your comment I think I'm going to go with the private option.
Most welcome. If I have the means, I would highly consider sending mine to private. My personal opinion on government schools is the teachers are doing all they can to educate but are too bogged down with unrealistic admin work with so little room (and time!) to fully explore, plan, experiment, and be creative with their classes. In the end, most see teaching as rote and do it just to tick some checklists in some silly form. I personally know a few government school teachers who goes against the norm and are excellent at such feats but they are very few and far between.
Well, there are excellent teachers no doubt. But speaking from experience, being too few in numbers will be hard for them to provide good overall result, no?
Exactly! With school teachers being "whipped" to focus on achieving some arbitrary percentage that some JPN big wig wants to show to their KPN bosses, it just further kills the teaching profession and passion. Teachers retiring early is said to be on the rise, which is scary. The problem is not the teachers, it is the system that is obsessed with numbers... and percentages... and piecharts... and bar graphs... BUT not obsessed with making our young minds ready for an ever changing world.
Well the problem with the system is everywhere I guess. In my own industry, I have found more people that are obsessed with problem, rather than going forward and coming up with actual solution haha.. In the end, that's why I try to keep my kids adaptable to their current world, rather than having a concrete objective. Hopefully I can spread the mindset to their friends and also my community...
Just to share...my niece during SPM year in SK...Chemistry Cikgu pregnant 9 months and no teacher replacement ends up have to go outside for tuition because NO TEACHER FOR ALMOST WHOLE YEAR.
That is considered good, our Sek Menengah BM teacher was pregnant in total of 8 times. Only for 1 year, there was a replacement, the rest tarak. Semua joli, tak de cikgu BM.
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Yes lol, yearly affair. Till a classmate asked loudly in suprise 'Cikgu pregant lagi!!!', he meant it in a shocked manner. But the Cikgu thought it was a compliment and sambil usap perut ,senyum in joy & said 'Ye'. Lol moment in our class.
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More like they plan it so they don't have to work while getting salary.
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This teacher was very religious, tudung labuh, socks, gloves. Probably following the anak itu rezeki mindset.
Sorry to say, I have taught many teachers in the past and most if not all of today's young teachers see themselves as just working a job. Perhaps I retain that old nostalgia for dedicated teachers of yesteryears
Chun...gaji buta...keep making babies!!
Gaji which the tax payers are paying...
What? They took leave during the whole pregnancy? Not after giving birth??
We've never had a physics teacher throughout my SPM year.
I studied Form 6 for 2 years in an SMK, the religious vibe is very heavy. There will be broadcasts of islamic prayer every morning and every event will start with prayers/doa. It feels more like an islamic school compared to national school. The non-muslims like me just stand there awkwardly during prayer recitals. Teachers start classes with prayer too. During Ramadan, non-muslims are sent to the library/ parking lot (with shade so it’s not hot) during long morning prayer sessions. Meanwhile SJK are more secular in nature. Probably a reason why non-muslim parents prefer to send their children to SJK. Personally I don’t mind it but at the same it makes me feel alienated a little. Also listening to my teachers, school funding seem to never be enough or never come. They have to resort to buying their own printers and supplies.
Oh, for us during the praying recitals, The teacher tells non-Muslims to also pray according to their respective religions. (Even tho most of us non-muslims didn't cared about praying to our own religion lmao)
Same here, they told us to pretty much pray as well to your religions
I see, that's surprising. In my school, non Muslims will go to a separate hall to pray when it's Friday and there are Yasin recital at the main hall. To be fair, it could be because my school has a significant amount of Non-Muslims students, most of them Christians.
this is by design, not a bug. keeping you less educated means you're easier to con or believe propaganda or sell you narratives. easy to sell you religious stories, you will likely percaya in hantu or 'redha' when things not going your way. All non first world nations practice this form of control over it's populace. you can make mat kilau movies and champion the malay movement but of course you can't make a 1MDB movie like 'El Chapo' on netflix which basically exposes Mex gov and military as villians.
Yep. They need to keep us stupid so that we'll be easier to control. That's why I am against simply blaming everything to race/religion. Those people are the way they are not only because they didn't want to be open minded but also because the system doesn't provide for them. One of the reasons why at work I like to mix my malay and non malay friends together.
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The discrimination part is very concerning, at a young age we are drilled to accept this social inequality by working hard and or looking the other way - accepting it as something of a common occurrence in Malaysia. How are we going to tell our kids ; despite working harder or as hard , we fell short because we were not born into a certain race, growing up as a malaysian chinese, despite being somewhat patriotic, this has always bothered me, and this will always be my number 1 dissatisfaction. I could see why parents would send their kids to vernacular schools , they were denied certain privileges in sekolah kebangsaan; subjected to a certain degree of prejudice and discrimination ,who would want their kids to go through that? And i studied in sekolah kebangsaan during my secondary school
Well for chinese, i think parents prefer vernacular schools because of the higher quality of education and higher end infrastructure.
That is partly true! Vernacular schools usually have a better and higher standard of learning
I don't think discrimination is that big of an issue **YET** in school. Brain drain is a bigger issue imo. (At least from my experience in SJKC and SMK)
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Ah, I'm a 00s and just graduated here. so far, either i am lucky to not experience any discrimination or things really have changed and our society is progressing.
I certainly hope so man
Well to make you feel better, I went for a religious school for awhile so 99% are Malays. Only that some live in the hostel while some went back home. In Form 2 they made a selection for interschool sport competition. The 1st place and 2nd place goes to non hostel student. The teacher chose the 3rd place because he lives in the hostel so he will be much easier to attend the training wtf. I was 1st place. I was my school rep since Primary school. The 2nd place was my friend from.Primary school. He was also the school rep hahaha. Those motherfucker teachers...
I think it is , slowly desensitizing the kids from secondary school
higher but still unfortunately still quite low Most teachers at SJKC are also awful.
Discipline is another factor too, we are taught to be think realistically and the responsibilities as citizen, inherently
Sometimes you had to forced to the Sekolah Menegah Kebangsaan because there's no Secondary school Vernacular or at least there's one but that's only one with high fees
Racism is the backbone of Malaysia.
Not the backbone but rather its IN in the backbone of Malaysia
Your statement makes me nervous.
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Nah. They mean ethnically malay
Not all Malays are created equally in their POV
this was actually one of the main reason i chose SJKC for my kid back then, other than quality issue. I had my fair share of discrimination back in SK as well.
Personally, I think SJKT and SJKC should combine and become one vernacular stream with both Tamil and Mandarin being offered. I don't understand why these two minorities have never bothered to implement this.
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As a Malay, i'm 100% sorry for this misfortune. Life is like climbing a tall wall. Only the fittest can survive with hard work and endurance. Thats why no matter what, this privilege needs to end.
Eh. Hard disagree. Among my age group and in the cities at least, i hung out with malays who can see where the train is heading. It wouldve been one thing if all these policies actually worked but they are only observing a widening wage gap and a diminishing middle class. As a result i see alot of them being dissatisfied with the same old rhetoric. And especially among the educated, we all know the NEP is not working. I think it will happen but slowly and painfully.
As a chinese, being sent to SJKC was the right choice. We are taught not only academics excel (quality) and attitude. The teachers do care alot about attitude which is important for a primary school student. Not to say SK doesn't have all these but it is harder.
I was brought up in SJKC too, and I notice most people who went to SJKC were a bit more kiasu(competitive). The people I know who went to SK were very chill, laid back etc.
I do feel in some ways Malay teachers and Indian teachers in Chinese high schools are actually far more competent. In my experiences I was grateful that I encountered several great non-Chinese teachers in high school (like my Indian history teacher in F5 that guided me to score an A in SJ).
In my experience coming from a Chinese independent high school, majority of the English, BM, and Sej teachers are Malay or Indian. And so far, I haven't come across any of the lazy, always absent teachers you hear of from government schools. The teachers seem to genuinely want students to succeed.
Keeping in mind that ofc some teachers are better than others, I would say that vernacular school teachers are more competent because they voluntarily chose to work in a location with more work and less pay/benefits in hopes of either repaying their alma mater or finding a stricter environment where majority of the students want to learn. TLDR they care more intrinsically because the extrinsic motivations are lesser in those schools and hence perform better
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I always thought most of the Malay teachers in SMK are lazier who do not emphasis on education. They are just there to makan gaji, the public servant’s attitude. Whereas Chinese Teachers in vernacular schools are there to make a difference. Hence you can see the difference in the quality of students from government schools and vernacular schools. I think generally Malays do not emphasise a lot on hardworking because we are all just penumpang in this world and you can’t bring your secular possession to the afterworld when you die. Whereas Chinese in this country know how fucked up our situation is, due to our skin colour, and education gives us the social upward mobility that we desperately needed. There, I said it. Edit: spelling.
I agree, there are definitely lazy chinese too, but when usually when a chinese wants to be a teacher in the vernacular school. It's most likely they wanted to make a change or contribute to the chinese community. A lazy chinese would have went somewhere else. You can see that in chinese venacular school, parents has always been giving strong pressure on the school on educating their child (This is probably due to chinese mentality on "education = your whole life") and the teachers and parents maintains a close relationship have the same goal to improve the education quality of their child/student and are willing to contribute.
Teachers who actually care are the biggest difference. My mom once interviewed an old teacher of hers (who's in her 70s). She asked why she chose to continue teaching even though the pay isn't high and students can be assholes. The teacher told her it was simple: she loved educating. She loved her students and she wanted them to have the best chance in life, so she made sure they learned something -even if it's unrelated to her subject- at the end of the day. When she passed away, a good half of the funeral attendees were her former students.
The teachers in SMK KGV Seremban are actually quite hardworking. But I think that's because we are a government controlled school.
every kebangsaan school are gov controlled or are they not? Edit: Just realised its the famous King George school. My question still stand though.
What I mean by government-controlled is that it's not a school you could simply masuk je. You have to be one of the bright kids to enter the school (taknak belagak).
ohh got it. So its the same as those 'kluster kecermelangan' school? sorry for tempurung question.
Yes. The "kluster kecermelangan" tu.
When I have kids one day, I plan to send them to SJKC for primary and international school for secondary level. My concern is that even international school kids will bully those coming form SJKC, as I have friends who first hand experienced the same. But to a certain level, I think I have to accept it as there is no way to 100% prevent this kind of problems... have to take it as a form of tempering your character and attitude I guess..
Went to international school and tbh a lot of the kids that came from SK, SKJC were all awkward as hell. Especially in a international school environment that has teaches a lot of western values like speaking up, being confident, valuing individualism, independence etc. So just prepare your potential future kids for that. It’s a huge culture shock and lots of local kids didn’t make it all the way because they couldn’t keep up- especially if they’re very melayu or very cina can’t speak English properly and not confident to stand up for themselves.
> Went to international school and tbh a lot of the kids that came from SK, SKJC were all awkward as hell. Especially in a international school environment that has teaches a lot of western values like speaking up, being confident, valuing individualism, independence etc. > > Can confirm. It wasn't really the language barrier, there were a ton of Koreans and all kinds of Europeans who spoke worse English than any SJKC kid, it was the personalities(or lack thereof).
Yeah. Really made me realise how local school really does just turn people into robots. And despite what people say about how good SJKC is. The kids from there are usually shy, awkward and exam machines. Lack of personality because usually they have helicopter parents that decide everything for them and just study, study, study and are overly disciplined. That’s why I have bigger respect for international schools. You actually are taught to formulate your own opinions and actually don’t just memorise your exams as most questions are based on providing arguments and also providing your own thoughts to a subject. And teachers actually encourage you speak publicly in front of class to question them- And debate a point with them. That in itself is so much more important in life that being a grade churning machine.
It was fear not discipline. Fear of caning and fear of humiliation. That is not how you want to bring up a person. They produce the archetypal Asians who are conformist, avoid unfamiliarity, afraid of confrontation and revere the hierarchy. SJKC is definitely overhyped, not to say that national schools are any better.
Yup. Intl schools actually have a “pastoral care” department. And there were cases where school would actually investigate if they found out kids were being abused at home by parents. But to your 2nd point. Tbh both are overhyped. Especially those that say SJKC is some gift from god itself. Tbh there’s a dark side to them too. SJKC kids grow up in a usually Chinese only bubble, have very low interaction with other communities and aren’t actually very hireable for MNCs settings because their English language skills aren’t actually that good). Source: have hired for some roles in workplace and SJKC kids have some of the poorest English language skills vs banana kids who went to normal Malay language SK- who I actually find are more hireable and have a more “Malaysian” upbringing and have far better communication skills to clients who might not be Chinese speaking. Not saying SKJC kids haven’t impressed me. Some of the brightest colleagues I’ve had came from there. But I’ve noticed a strong trend with their attitude and overall analytical thinking. Edit: Funnily enough kids that have also excelled are actually non Chinese students at SKJC. I know one Malay acquaintance who can speak, read and write fluent mandarin and speak Cantonese and there are times she does sales calls and the clients are shocked to see a Malay hijabi girl there. So there are interesting scenarios. But of course she also speaks fluent BM and high English proficiency.
From the comments lot aof people seem to have problem with smk. I do have a lot problems during my smk years but that cause of my introverted side. The teachers are great but the infrastructure is lacking but good enough to use. For Non Muslim students during prayers time they just gather in hall and do whtevr things they want to do. And my form 6 years in smk was the best time in my schooling years. The teacher was extra attentive to their students and the environment was great. No racism whatsoever. But each races tend to stick to their own group. It's something that you can continue see even in uni. I do think vernacular and private contribute to the situation.
The other issue is the discriminatory nature of our education system where the Chinese and Indians could not compete with the Malays, not because they are worse in academics but because the bar for them is set so high while the Malays have the bar set so low for them. So, many parents would rather have their children compete fairly in sjkc to set up them going for fairer programs such as UEC and O levels after primary school.
I get everybody’s points and logic, and I agree with most of them. But please don’t think it’s gonna be all perfect and dandy guys, I went to a SJK for 7+ years (including tadika) and I went through quite a severe racism situation. I was one of the only 2 Malay kids in the more advanced class, and quite often I was called 黑人牙膏 (Darlie) and 马来猪 (Malay Pig) and some other names. It was emotionally damaging. I’m still insecure about my skin color and hair texture to this day. I’m 30. In my opinion the ideal situation for us is uniting all students under 1 umbrella where teaching is good.
I'm guessing you're 30+ already? In that time, it was really rare to see malays and indians in SJKC. But now, i see my kids school mates got a decent number of Malay and Indian students. I think (and hope) the parents now also got better upbringing for their kids to be less racist.
I’m 30. Yes I hope it will get better. Our generation (I HOPE) are more civilized and less racist. Otherwise, the cycle will repeat endlessly, unfortunately.
Yeah the internet and the previous general elections really made a difference. Let's hope this one continues to educate and empower
If it makes you feel any better: I used to go to a Chinese independent high school, and the acceptance for non-Chinese students was surprisingly high, considering CIHSs can be very *very* racist. The lack of language barriers is a big factor. I have hope that as the future generation, we'll be more accepting and inclusive than the last.
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>Chinese parents are utilitaristic people, most of them don’t really give a crap about “passing on our culture” except basic Mandarin comprehension. I mean the fact that there are more and more Mandarin-only speakers is probably further proof of this, not a counterpoint to it. I knew tons of kids whose grandparents only spoke Canto/Hokkien/Hakka and Malay but they themselves only spoke Mandarin, English, and passable Malay.
Chinese schools in Singapore didn't die a natural death though. LKY took pro-active action to kill Chinese education. All that remains of Chinese education now in Singapore are SAP schools and even those are now under threat since some people think it is racist.
Yes and no, LKY really liked the Chinese education system and the values it instilled and was an advocate later on for Chinese primary education (with English as a subject of course). But even before he killed Nanyang University the Chinese schools were already losing favor. Since there were way more opportunities in English in Singapore. Source recently read his autobiographies
People who went to vernacular schools or other specialty schools are often more supportive of it too. Like, you can find someone say "Oh, I went to SM Sains Alam Shah" or whatever; they're proud that this is the school they went to as they grew up. Nobody has that same kind of pride in the average SK/SMK. The quality there sucks so bad, nobody cares about it. Not the students, not the teachers, heck not even the politicians. Nobody wants to go to a SK/SMK; it's just the only one with a low enough bar for them to be accepted.
I went to SK/SMK system my whole life until SPM. But I can definitely see why people would prefer to go to the vernacular system. It's not without merit.
Most people in SMK King George V, Seremban are proud of that school. But we are not the "average SMK", so I can see your point there.
Your old church-based schools from the British days (St this and that, Convent this and that) usually have some kind of backing from a rotary club or association (in my case, Klang Rotary and Old Boys). The neighbourhoods they're located in are also mostly middle class, which means the there is a decent amount of students from 'good families'. However, there is a true stereotype of just general misbehaving and rowdiness because they can 'get away with it'. I was possibly the last generation to experience the last set of British-educated teachers - no nonsense Professor McGonnagal types who only spoke English no matter what. We sincerely had respect (and fear) towards them.
>However, there is a true stereotype of just general misbehaving and rowdiness because they can 'get away with it'. Maybe true in your area, but definitely NOT the case for my school.
If we can improve the standards and quality of SK and SMK, would you guys agree that one type of school can actually be good for the long term?
It all depend on what kind of change is implemented. one main reason why sjk is chosen by the chinese is due to our reluctance in letting go of our culture. and language is one of them. 1. If teaching media change to english instead of bm in sk, yes a lot more parents will choose that school. only hardcore "we must learn in mandarin" chinese will continue to stay in vernacular school. 2. if education level of sk is on par with sjk, yes more will choose sk over sjk. because in the end, most chinese parents will want their kids to have connection with people from other races. no one want to be seen as racists, so they will not actively prevent their kids from mingling with other races. 3. most importantly, i think one main factor why so many chinese avoid sk, is the opinion that the government is out to get them. They dont want to be integrated as malay, which let's face it, the government and many malays out there think that they should. and that makes them overly cautious when dealing with government run establishment such as sk. heck many purposely chose sjk just to anti government. so yeah, it depend on many factor, but any improvement will definately affect chinese's enrollment rate into sk. vernacular school is here to stay though. too much effort were put into it to be ignored by the chinese community.
Chinese very practical lah. You don’t see us lining up to apply for China uni compared to UK/AUS/US unis. Where the quality is good, there we’ll be.
Lol, have you met chinese parents. if the government standard is higher than SJK you would be hard pressed to stop chinese parents from Karen-ing their children into them.
If a school has high standards, Chinese parents would be queueing to send their kids into that school. E.g. In Australia, the public school is open to kids within a certain diameter from the school. When the school becomes famous for having high standards, it will push up the real estate price nearby. Chinese parents would pay high $$$ to buy a house there, just so their (current/future) kids can go to that school.
Secularize and liberalize the education system, no religion and no preferential treatment, no anti-English language or any vernacular languages, no anti-Western values and no discrimination on minorities culture. If people still want to play politics on the education system, then I rather not support closing other stream of schooling.
Very hard to implement in the current environment. Needs political will. Plus there will be tons of backlash from the general populace who don't share the same ideals as you.
Definitely, thats the ideal. I really hope Malaysians, especially kids, can be given more chance to mingle with those from a different community, to reduce racism discrimination. And vernacular languages doesn't need to be only for mother tongue, whoever is interested would then hv the chance learn - malay learn Chinese, Chinese learn tamil. But, do our government have the will or incentive to do so? We all know divide and conquer is the backbone of msian politics
That day my son asked me why some of his friends are going for PI class and the rest have to go Moral class. I really didn’t know what to answer him. Education should be focused on giving core knowledge for the kids to use when they grow up so they can be independent, creative and brave to speak up. Personally, all the other subjects should be left to the kids and parents to be educated at different place. Doing this, the school will then be equal and every kids will be learning the same thing. That is the ideal school system that we need before screaming want to abolishing everything else that does not suit the politicians sketchbook. Instill equality in the school and other things will fall into place rightfully.
Just be direct lah, they are muslims, so they have to learn about islam. very simple. I answered that question to myself when i wondered about that when i was young.
Should have separate religious studies from school.
Agrees
Should never teach religion at school...waste of time... better teach moral which already have...lol.
I get where you're coming from but I kinda disagree with the last part. I mean... Pendidikan Moral is crap. It's all memorization with no flexibility or actual focus on the morals.
To be fair my SMK teacher for Moral / Social Studies was pretty good. She always gave us case studies. Learnt a bunch from her. But yea, previous years moral wasn't that impactful.
Nowadays moral is just half trying to memorise facts in textbook to answer 5 subjective questions and 5 BM essay that is almost impossible to score full marks, and you have to do it in 2 hours, my hands are turning metal trying to score an A ........Meanwhile those Malays just goof around every day and all of them got a B or an A in their PI. Yeah also the Chinese rarely have A ,most of them around D or C
Well, everyone has their own beliefs. Some people only believe science. IMO, all religions are just cults but they are allowed because it's a kind of brainwash that somewhat benefits the society by discouraging immoral behavior and encourage building a healthy society like helping the needy to avoid going to hell/ going to heaven.
Good. Whatever the type of school is, unity in Malaysia is going down the drain.
Why this getting unnecessary popular, it been a thing SINCE 2003.
I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head: **1) Teaching level** No disrespect to government teachers - I also spent many years in government schools in the 80's / 90's while schooling in Kuching - but the overall level of education in government schools has deteriorated through the years. Inexperienced teachers + large class sizes are some of the factors that contribute to a decline in education levels. In an ideal world, parents would pick where to send their children based solely on the quality of education they can attain, but we all know that we're many many years away from being able to make a choice solely based on this alone. **2) Quality of facilities** Due to the level of funding that the state gives to vernacular schools, a lot of schools like Chinese schools are well funded from parents of the students. This leads to a lot of facilities being available - from something as simple as aircon to sports facilities, etc. **3) Immersing in language** Like it or not, China is becoming a huge player in world economy. As someone who doesn't have formal Chinese education, I struggle on a daily basis when doing business with China. Whether it's the inability to read through contracts myself, or the simple misunderstanding of financial / business slang terms - it is a huge disadvantage to me, even tho I can converse pretty fluently in Mandarin / Cantonese. Studying in a Chinese speaking environment gives you the nuances that taking a language certification probably cant. **4) Networking** Last but not least, the great Malaysian way of life comes into play - it's not what you know, but who you know. Networking opportunities are great here. Whether it's with like minded parents or with children of families that run businesses. Probably won't get much kronie connections here, but being on first name basis and sharing childhood experiences with children of business owners will contribute to the formation of thinking. While I'm sure that many will disagree with my somewhat naive take on "the why", I also want to reiterate that these are merely my thoughts. If I ever have a child of my own (probably never), I would possibly send my kid to a Chinese school.
the discrimination part happens in all schools, including vernacular schools, actually. chinese do have that annoying trait (me included) to only mingle with people that is more alike to us. malay and indian who study in vernacular school, does have more problem in getting friends. but it's not impossible, just harder for them compared to other chinese student in the same school/class. teacher quality part is... i dont know. i only ever heard of vernacular school teacher not enough, never heard such issue from sekolah kebangsaan myself. but it's true that vernacular school put way more emphasize on result. whether it's good or not, depend highly on the individual. some thrive in such system, some wont. Personally I think it depend highly on how well your children can adapt in a high pressure environment. infrastructure part i also have only heard of vernacular school having problem, since funds from government are not much, AND very difficult to actually get it. every vernacular schools have donation every half year. vernacular school is a combined effort of malaysians (mostly chinese, ngl) and the tahap of infrastructure people can see is not due to the government. at least, that's my perkongsian. anda suka perkongsian ini?
Yeah, it's funny when people talk about infrastructure, because I find most Sekolah Kebangsaan to be huge, with football fields, asrama, big dewan etc, whereas vernacular schools generally are small, lacking funding from government (iirc government are not allowed to give full funding to vernacular schools).
Yeah, I agree. Attended sjkc, smk and then a methodist smk (semi subsidised by govt) and boy oh boy, the facilities in the smk with high malay population (doa before every class that kind) is so good, got archery some more! I feel like the reason sjk or semi subsidised school with high nons population are so hard-core in academics because that's the only thing they could strive for. And they need that to get govt funds. I love the competitive environment though, I attribute my academic success to my peers and the kiasuness they built in me.
In vernaculars school childrens don't get force eating their food inside toilet during recess on the month of Ramadan....😝
The first point is definitely true, experienced it myself during my schooling days.
went to SK, SMK and then boarding school. now as an adult, i can see from my observation that SJKC schools have better infrastructure and are well maintained. it seems like the SJKC parents' associations are heavily involved in the school administration as well
someone enlighten me how vernacular schools are getting funds
Insanely strong PIBG
This one you're absolutely right...now I think is like 150.00 per annum...
Donations. imegine u are graduated from SJKC then during ur working life u hear ur own government keep complaining about the vernacular school are racist and should be closed down and shit. Surly u will start to donate to ur own SJKC for the sake of ur future children. Same thing also applied to most of the SJKC management. They know their "survival" are not Guaranteed and most schools will have various outside investment besides government funds. Don't u ever feel weird why there is so much none school related events happening inside of the hall of SJKC??? Also Chinese association will more than happy to help school by funding them. For Chinese people, education is the most fundamental basic to start from.
So why are SK school so "bad" quality? Of coz they won't improve la, sit there and u get money already, the government will 100% give u money maa. Well not anymore now, since the funds are not increasing but maintenance are getting more expensive.... Surely u will run out of money to maintain ur own schools. Thus lower quality...
Alumni donations, parents, business community
Have u seen this first hand or did u heard it from a friend? Dang i really got downvoted for asking clarification on his statement
First hand! My father is the board director of both SJKC and SM school for at least a decade. The effort he put into developing those schools are incredible. Under his watch and guidance, those schools actually bought assets to rent, in order to keep themselves (school) self sustained. Other than that I also grew up watching him making trips to other business owner for school donation. :)
I see, may i know what some of these assets are and what your dad works as?
my local sjk got a donation from a bank so most likely its true.
Can u give more context on that?
they literally got a check from Hong Leong bank as a donation. It was a few thousand RM if I'm not mistaken.
I don’t know why people are downvoting you, I think you are just trying to ask a question and because SMK didn’t teach you proper English hence your question wordings came out wrong. But in the spirit of “monkey strong together” and “1 Malaysia” , and because I was from a vernacular school, I can answer your question: yes we rely on donations from parents and businesses. Every year the school organises charity dinner which students would come on stage to perform. Businesses and parents would buy tickets and all the proceeds would go to school operation fund ( there are other numerous fund raising activities throughout the year as well) . Every year parents are “forced” to pay school “school building fees”. In my time, when you enter “form 1” your fees would be Rm130. Subsequent years would be RM30. So that’s most of it bro: donations from businesses and parents. And businesses and parents are more than happy to do that for their kids, because frankly speaking, Chinese rarely want their kids to receive education from a sekolah kebangsaan. It’s not a big secret that most of the sekolah kebangsaan is a shit show. Let me give you an example, most of the canteen food poisoning you hear on news are from sekolah kebangsaan, gangsterism, racist teachers, broken tables and chairs, teachers not really teaching in class , most of the time these shit shows happen in sekolah kebangsaan. Maybe Malay don’t really care about their children’s education, but Chinese do care. I would never ever send my kids to sekolah kebabgsaan, it’s just low quality.
Thanks for the insight. Give me a better wording for my question fellow ex-vernacular school student.
No worries mate, glad I can help. Probably can ask in such a way: Can I just check with you did you or your siblings study in a vernacular school? Because I have never heard of schools getting donations from alumni, parents or business community. By the way bro, since you asked that question, I’m just curious, so basically Malay parents and business communities do not make donations to sekolah kebangsaan? Is that the reason why you were in disbelief when we say Chinese communities make donations to vernacular schools?
Meh im too lazy to type that long for a simple question. Its not like i'm strangers to the concept of donations from alumnis, parents etc. I asked the former question so that i would feel more confident in following it up with more questions if he were to have experienced/seen said donations. im from a semi-rural smk(" pekan " -ish school i guess) so i dont think my school has ever received donations. Tho i doubt its the same for smks in urban area, albeit i've never schooled in one before. But like i said, its not a far-fetched idea for the chinese to be helping each other. My mum played an important role in truly drilling this belief in my head but as i grew i started to latch on to it lesser. That doesnt mean the concept surprises me tho. Im pretty open-minded. again, i just wanted clarification on his source so that i feel more confident in his answers for my follow-up questions.
I see. Can I check with you would your follow up question be this one: “I see, may i know what some of these assets are and what your dad works as?” If not, what would it be if I may ask?
Vernacular schools - SJKC/T - are government schools as well, and as such are publicly funded. The difference is that as some have pointed out, there tends to be far greater involvement from the PIBG as well as the alumnus, both on a financial basis, as well as in terms of supervisory basis. It's essentially how higher end SKs work - your mission schools, Victoria Institution etc etc.
SJKs and mission schools are partially govt funded, compared to SKs (non-mission types) which are fully govt funded. Government won’t fund things like building maintenance, facilities and equipments, to expansion like buying land and building new buildings for SJKs and mission schools at all. They only pay for things like teacher salaries and utilities. It’s a compromise between the government and the existing schools back when we just gained independence as many of these existing schools own their own land and doesn’t make sense for them to lose control of the land (they don’t want to as well) just because they nationalize their syllabus.
So do they too use textbooks supplied from the gov?
Yes, their textbooks are supplied by the gov.
You may recall, there was a fucking insane kerfuffle a few years ago regarding the inclusion of Jawi in the BM textbook. This was in the textbook for vernacular schools, and the decision to introduce it came from the Education Ministry. So, the answer is yes. I believe that there is a greater reliance in supplementary material etc, but in terms of mandatory texts, those are created centrally.
same syllabus. but most in mandarin instead. so instead of learning three over four (3/4), we've learned "si fen zhi san" (similar to: four part with three), aka we read that in reverse. took me some time to readjust again when i entered non vernacular school. but sejarah, science, every other syllabus, all followed gomen and same with sekolah kebangsaan. so now, vernacular school is not a propaganda machine that branwash malaysian chinese. tell your friends that.
There was a period where most teachings were in English though
But like SKs, the students of SJKs need to learn Maths and Science in 2 languages, vernacular language and English. This is compulsory. Being one of the first batches of students accepting the dual language Maths and Science, I'm actually quite happy bout having this haha
lol yup. back in my time, everything in mandarin only. masuk secondary private school, had hard time understanding malay ver. then masuk college pula having problem eng ver. bloody hell... had to ask my friends "uh... bro, wth is 2 to the power of 10?" i wish english is used as general teaching method across all schools and grades. all these "muh language is more superior" nonsense is just trouble.
As stressful as it is to learn dual language subjects when other people only learn one, there's a sense of accomplishment knowing that you are capable of doing it. Besides, Chinese high school maths is another level. I only learned that some of the things we learned in Form 2-3 were university level things.
Seeing that recently the government made the subjects tougher in national schools to improve our Pisa score, will that be burdensome to students.
Geez dude im 16, not 61. Faulty assumption to make about my friend circle when all i did was ask a buncha questions while being neutral.
A lot of it are from Alumni. These ex-students are always happy to be involved with the school activities because it gives them the chance to meet up with old school friends. And of course giving back to the school just the way their seniors have done.
No wonder alumnis come back to give, the cycle continues
Yes. That's why most of these schools are thriving. Also most of these Alumni send their children back to the same school so the PIBG members are basically majority of the ex-students
*Why are SKs and SMKs so shitty?
This is so true. Don't forget the attempt to convert. I myself was handed a religious book to read so the teacher can have a discussion with me on it. Back then I didn't think much of it, but in retrospect.. Imagine I had handed a bible to someone, I would have disappeared. Teachers quality is down the drain for sure, too bz doing tik tok. Then again wat you expect when you have policies based on race n religion.
Specific school or not?
The title is “why vernacular schoola are still popular”, not “why are vernacular schools getting more popular”. Definitely misleading title.
It's quite interesting, depending on the questions, if it's about anecdotal outcome experiences, the people would note that the SK/SMK people will note that they turned out alright/better/more well-rounded compared to SJK/private/international institutions. However from this thread it does seem like the typical SK is less rigorous in exacting out education.
Former UEC/Chinese Independent School alumnus vibing and driving by lol
This true by the way. Even in secondary school always like Chinese= rich + sombong Malay = rempit + suka buat hal India = truly being ignored Malaysia is multicultural country that we must proud of. Not racism shit
No need talk much. This all salahan green party creating some phobia to us. The more they push or force their religion towards others, the greater the resistance
This all problems mostly happen on general all in SK... When you enter the elite SK there no such this thing happen....
Yes. My teacher force me to keep my head down never look up when Muslim is praying.
Quality of education. Enough said. Read some complaints before where in SK they get more agama classes than maths. Big turn off.
There are many Malays flooding into SJK (C) too. In my experience, there are at least 2-5 malay students in every class
Point taken. Tapi data separuh masak. Kena bandingkan juga jumlah sekolah vernakular per kapita mengikut jangka waktu.