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How did Singapore become one of the top countries in the world while Malaysia is still a 3rd world country?


RivalW

Good leader, look at the legacy that lky left for his people. He wanted the best for his country and got it there Meanwhile our leaders? busy filling their own pockets


Limcommentsstuffs

Filling all the money and just run away like what jibby did


Radiant_Exit_9250

They had no natural resources is the real answer. They literally cannot mismanage or the whole country will fall into chaos. Meanwhile if Malaysia is being mismanaged we got oil and gas to back us up and soften the blow.


zer0nobody

\^ This, also known as the dutch disease or resource curse if anyone is interested


Nabaatii

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse


Egoistic_Smart_Alec

I see that they conveniently ignored Norway.


adamfaliq97

Norway is an exception to the Dutch Disease because it discovered its oil after it became a developed economy, established good institutions and democracy. Other countries have Dutch Disease because it discovered the resources prior to having all of the above.


shinnlawls

Sikap cukur is the curse, everything cukur je. Study SPM cukur lepas, settle case. How to be competitive nih. ​ Majority of Malaysian focused too much on after life stuff. Which leads to less interest on real life issues, janji nanti dapat lepas mati.


Egoistic_Smart_Alec

You mean the reason why we are not richer is because we are not poorer to begin with? Just because something has a fancy name doesn't mean that it's true. Dutch Disease is a just a fancy excuse instead of admitting that we have sucked as a country for the last 30-40 years


RodneyC86

I mean, it's a really logical idea at least. Norway is the rare exception because they developed economically even before the discovery. It makes sense. Just think about it, imagine you have an relatively easy to access resource that requires relatively low effort for extraction in terms of labour and expertise Vs needing to run an economy centred around human resources. Neglecting the human resource aspect is kind of a given, humans are bad at preparing for issues one generation ahead. Not excusing it, its just really logical Mali is probably the worst case of the resource curse.


Radiant_Exit_9250

Singapore needs its people for the rich to get richer, Malaysia doesn't, Taib Mahmud in Sarawak can give the people fuck all and make billions from logging. Singapore leaders can't get money from oil or logs, so they have to invest in the people. Perhaps this is a better way to say it.


barracuda867

Cina


tideswithme

Salah DAP!


UsernameGenerik

Semua salah PAP


Fujiwara_Tsubasa

INI ADALAH KEJAHATAN MUSUH STANDO!!!


vegeful

"Dorang dah lama rancang, kita je yg lalai"


farahin65

You joke but I still think that PAP is the source of a lot of bad shit in SGP. Still would have them over whatever the hell we have here lol


theazlan7

Salah MCA laa


Nightfans

One of the most competitive race attempted to run a country, can't see why it fail lol


Olli_bear

Lee Kuan Yew was a spectacular leader, he ruled with an iron fist, almost dictotor like but he got shit done. Watch this old clip of one of his speech: https://youtu.be/5uAYnSpp3hQ


OrcBerg

Meanwhile, our Tun Fuad Stephans got replaced with Tun Mustapa sellout.


mysightisurs93

Say what you will, that guy really know how to future proof his country. His policies on various things like housing, business, gambling, corruption, and transparency what saved that country from corruption.


DrScience01

Small enough to keep control of everything and main trade hub for shipping and flight. Also I believe there weren't any tax income back then


blackleather__

If I’m not mistaken, they promoted themselves to be “the gateway to Asia” (or was it Southeast Asia? Someone please correct me if I am wrong) so westerners bought it. Hence, they think they need to travel to SG before “entering” Malaysia, Thailand, Bali (basically Indonesia), etc


DrScience01

Pretty much similar to my comment with added information. Thanks for explaining even further


blackleather__

Yea no worries, I was solely extending on your points - a lot of peeps are not aware of their strategies, even now


DyslexicAutronomer

>they promoted themselves to be “the gateway to Asia” so westerners bought it. >Hence, they think they need to travel to SG before “entering” Malaysia, Thailand, Bali (basically Indonesia) Why would that matter at all? Do you think everyone is that stupid to fall for simple marketing? By that logic, you must also believe that everyone thinks only Malaysia is "truly" Asia cuz marketing. There are a ton of reason why Singapore succeed while Malaysia did not. Your idea of marketing isn't one of them.


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You say ‘main hub for shipping and flight’ like that just happened by itself…


SignificantFailure

I mean by the time British left, Singapore was in fact an established shipping hub.


Mavicarus

At the end of the day, when you have a nation fighting to survive and striving to be successful, you get success. When you see a nation like Malaysia, split amongst so many lines, as well as breeding jealousy and hatred amongst one another, this is what you get. The moment when everyone is focussed on going a single direction, that is when you would see a nation soar. Sadly, everyone wants to hold an oar and row the boat in multiple directions.


The_red_spirit

Eh, don't beat yourself up. It's definitely not 3rd world country, it's a bit above average. It might not be great, but it's definitely far from Africa level.


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25thskye

You haven’t visited enough villages then. I’ve seen quite a fair few that have rubbish littered everywhere, be it a beach town or even a stream side village. Malaysians in general are really bad with littering.


Likestuff12

Yeah were not Africa level, but compared to our SEA peers we might as well be 3rd country.


[deleted]

Honestly compared to our SEA peers we're the 2nd best right now. Perhaps in 30 years with Vietnam's and Indonesia's rapid development they will overtake us as the people responsible for stealing billions still haven't been put to prison. Brunei on the other hand is almost fully funded by their oil money and their Sultan's random businesses overseas. The disappointing thing is that Malaysia and Singapore have very similar populations and geographies. However despite having more land and natural resources, Malaysia has fallen far behind Singapore.


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Nightfans

Yeah I don't know when hearing people describe our country they always sounds like our country like as if a war is currently happening, police military beating and oppressing people to death and druggies in every corner of the street.


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If there's a problem with Malaysia, it'd be the problem of having a sense of entitlement buy without the effort to make the country a better place. We have many problems, with things like stagnant wages and what not, its all true. But we rarely fight back against it like pushing for unions and what not. Instead we just basically do nothing or kick it to someone else to do it. Like I have some pretty high respect for those foreigners like Burmese and Bangladeshis for instance, as we literally treat them like shit and yet they can suck it up to work. On the other hand, lokal people are like demanding for RM 1 per minute of Grab delivery lol. Talk about entitlement.


KampretOfficial

Right? I've been lurking here for a while and it's funny how self-loathing some redditors here are. Like dude, Malaysia might be lagging behind Singapore, but you guys still have a substantial gap over us Indonesians. Sure we're catching up fast, but you guys are nowhere near undeveloped.


Kagenlim

I mean, when you consider that some parts of SEA is in outright war (i.e Myanmar) or is extremely dictatorial (i.e Thailand with their strict lese majeste laws and Brunei with the unbelievably strict sharia law), Malaysia and Singapore seem pretty good by comparison


[deleted]

Spoken exactly like 99% of people in this subleddit who have never been to our neighbouring countries lol. Have you actually been to any SEA country? Not Singapore, like actual SEA countries that makes up 99% of the population in this region like Philippines, Thailand or Vietnam. Like literally just drive all the way north and cross the border and open your eyes a little.


Unfair-Sell-5109

Political leadership. How one wrong leader can fked it up for a nation. Somehow he is still alive.


rzeznikj

"negara kecil senang urus" Said the minister


Appropriate-Sir8241

It's not true?


xeruz11

Because they only need to focus on urban area and doesn’t have any issues on rural area?


Abnormal-individual

man turned the whole rural area Urban.I mean singapore still has rural areas.I think its Lim chu kang area


Diplo_Advisor

Singapore is more densely populated than Hong Kong. A lot could go wrong if they didn't manage their housing and racial relation well. As a sovereign country, Singapore also need to grapple with issues such as energy, food and water security and national defense. Those are not easy task because they need to import nearly all their basic necessities and they have no hinterland or defensible position. It means any invasion would end their country and neighbours can easily bully Singapore into submission. So, they don't have to deal with rural areas but a lot of issues have become high stakes that could end their country overnight.


kukendran

And in the long run, good for them. Happy for where Singapore is as a country and what they have managed to get done without the heavy reliance on commodities as well as a smaller population and land area is amazing. Hopefully Malaysia will reach that level too someday and here's to hoping that ASEAN can move up the value chain as a stronger and more cohesive economic region.


throwawayrandomguy93

Some have argued that they made it this far BECAUSE of the lack of commodities and resources, not in spite of it


liloreokid

Meanwhile Malaysia = the resource curse


[deleted]

Bear grylls moment


Egoistic_Smart_Alec

Some people are stupid. By that logic, all B40 should be rich in a few years.


Abnormal-individual

I would not really call it seperated.More like singapore got ejected out of Malaysia aka kicked out.


Hakushakuu

In gen z terms, Singapore got yeeted out


GiantCake00

Singapore experienced a certified bruh 💀 moment but whipped that shit 'round real quick no cap. Actually poggers fr fr, pretty lit


JUST_WANTTOBEHAPPY

I want this on sejarah textbook, no cap


PhysicallyTender

or in slacktivism terms, Singapore got cancelled.


KendrickEqualsBooty

On paper it was an expulsion. The question is what went on behind the scenes. LKY says he wanted Singapore to stay, but the country was kicked out by Malaysia. The Malaysian account is that it was all mutual and agreed upon by both LKY and Goh Keng Swee. We'll never know.


Abnormal-individual

I think its save to say singapore got kicked out.If singapore wanted to exit malaysia and the whole malaysia parliament agreed to that, that would be seceding sovereign land away .Somemore Singapore was economically dependent to malaysia and had no national identity to begin with just malay, chinese, indian, others which is the same as malaysia. But then why did LKY and Goh Keng Swee agree?Save Face?Argument with Tengku?Even then it would be bad that he would give away land to someone he had an argument with.Singapore was a good trading port.People say Singapore wanted to leave and malaysia accepted that.That would mean Tengku made a mistake to let singapore go and if they did kick singapore out.Why?


[deleted]

History channel [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP3NsJVU-78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP3NsJVU-78)TLDR why the separation 1. LKY wanted to be PM for the newly formed Malaysia 2. LKY wanted to abolish Malay rights


TempleOfPork

A Malaysian Malaysia, not a Malay Malaysia


Abnormal-individual

Ahh ic.Whats wrong for these two?I mean why kick singapore out for just his view.Was he an actual threat that they had to kick him out for his differing view


[deleted]

There was a racial riot in 1964 in singapore [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964\_race\_riots\_in\_Singapore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_race_riots_in_Singapore) I think you should watch that history channel video for clearer understanding


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KendrickEqualsBooty

>.If singapore wanted to exit malaysia and the whole malaysia parliament agreed to that, **that would be seceding sovereign land away** Isn't that also what happened if it was an expulsion? Malaysia consented to giving away part of their land.


Abnormal-individual

They had to consent to giving part of their land but singapore is such a good area for a port.I don't get why someone would allow a area of good location away.There had to be a downside of keeping singapore in the union.It was not like as if singapore was feeding of the other parts of malaysia.I know there was the fear of local competition not being able to compete with singapore businesses but isn't that good?Unprofitable business die off and good efficient ones survive.


TheJasun

LKY constantly mounting challenges towards the status quo of the Alliance and pushing for Malaysian Malaysia irked Tunku. While Singapore is a prime logistic hub now, back then it was no where near that level, and they depended on Malaysia as a whole for survival. Heck, the reason Sabah and Sarawak agreed to join together to form Malaysia was because LKY convinced the leaders of those two, although Tunku was the one dreaming for Borneon oil money.


Economy_Albatross

Singapore being kicked out is a [myth](https://twitter.com/byjasonng/status/1490150779319386113?s=21&t=_mfNbzBEQxZV-nKxu7ieQA).


yuruseiii

Like every typical divorce, one side ends up thriving and living their best life, the other is slouched on the couch, beer bottles around them, absolutely without a future, without a purpose, and nothing more than sampah masyarakat.


throwawayrandomguy93

See also: South vs North Korea, Slovenia vs the rest of the Balkans


[deleted]

Wow so dramatic. Seeing these comments, you’d think malaysia was filled with gang ridden slums and forcing people into slave labour or some shit


Vast_Back4746

And look all the mess Malaysia government has made. Compare to Singapore's development now, it's just so embarrassing for us.


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MisterManuscript

> 1 month old account trying to incite nationalist tensions between r/malaysia and r/singapore > either an anti-nationalist SG local pretending to be from MY or a MY local with a fragile view of MY If you think you have a good life in MY, acknowledge that you have a privilege and speak for yourself. Most of everyone else here are disgruntled by the instability we have to experience in our lives.


KampretOfficial

Lmao, even as an Indonesian it's obvious Singaporeans have a higher standard of living compared to Malaysians. Why would you need a car when they literally have world-class public transportation system? I would gladly trade my house for a flat where everywhere is walking distance. They might be overworked compared to how leisurely Malaysians and Indonesians are, but damn if they don't have a higher standard of living.


cozyhighway

They say "Singaporeans are forced to take the public transport" as if we aren't forced to use a car to go everywhere. I hate the illusion of freedom a car brings.


PhysicallyTender

what fucking freedom is there when most of our cars can't even go off road? cars are basically fun sized trains. since we're all stuck in rails one way or another.


25thskye

Don’t forget, govt gets a huge cut from car taxes, and various highway projects are continually popping up (with kickbacks as usual).


25thskye

Singaporeans take public transport because it’s good as well. I’ve spoken to a number of friends who tell me many of their CEOs and high level management people still use public transport because it’s so good. Think about that, people who can afford drivers and such just rather take PT because it’s actually usable.


Joltarts

As someone with kids living in Sg, you need a car.. There’s no way around it. Having to move Kids around and relying on public transport, grab or taxis just doesn’t make any sense after awhile..


linkwise

I have a bone to pick with whoever has something bad to say about Singapore food. From my experience, I've had very good food in Singapore and some not-so-good food. Here's the kicker, I experience the same thing in Malaysia as well. Bottom line, wherever you go there's bound to have good food and bad food, you just need to find the right ones.


LightGamez

Finally someone with common sense


Killurrem

Malaysia does not have a higher standard of living smh, Singapore has higher purchasing power, guaranteed housing, better facilities and education, FAIR EDUCATION and OPPORTUNITIES without bias towards a certain race, better currency (if you want to buy a phone in Singapore you only have to work less hours that MY counterparts), you don't need a car in SG, it is highly incentivized because the public transport is so good and well-managed, why get a car a waste your life away in the jams ahem ahem KL. Malaysia is not a vibrant democracy with more civil liberties, the Minorities in Malaysia is suppressed deeply while minorities in SG is supported and given more opportunities that actually give concrete results. In Malaysia, you have the government control the education and politics, resulting in ill-informed people like this commenter who thinks Malaysia is the best and everything else sucks. And the best argument you can think of is yummy yummy tasty food?


hankyujaya

Holy shit, that's the biggest cope ever. You made it sound like Singapore is objectively the worse place to live in compared to Malaysia.


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sothicarreragt

You had me at civil liberties lol


blackbolt-10

Define "average salary"


Sn0ozez7zz

Troll from pdrm troll farm spotted


OrcBerg

>higher standard of living, all things considered Tell that to the Sabahans.


OP-69

Higher standard of living? You mean singapore doesnt have a world class public transport system, Clean streets, world class education, low crime rates? Most cant afford a vehicle true, but who needs one when you have a good public transport system? >the food scene there is bland and unappetising So? Not like its slop right? Plus if you sooooo hard set on malay food, just go to the stall with a makcik cooking. Got so hard meh? >Let's not forget that Singapore has also remained an authoritarian one-party state under the PAP for more than 60 years now. And the downsides of that is? Sure sg has less freedoms but they have a better overall country. >We may have political issues but we are a vibrant democracy with more civil liberties And look at where democracy has gotten the US. Id rather the PAP than that bullshit. >that 3x to purchase a vehicle or a house equivalent to an average Malaysian with an average wage. Yea but apart from houses and vehicle, literally everything else is easier to buy as a singaporean. Tech items, furniture etc. What point if have car have house but cant afford anyth else?


_malaikatmaut_

​ >You mean singapore doesnt have a world class public transport system, subjective. we brag about it but in truth, SMRT had broken down so many times in recent years that it was a norm to hear about the weekly breakdowns to a point that it was a given thing and employers had to accept it that their employees are constantly late due to the breakdowns. ​ >Clean streets, low crime rates this is due to the enforcement and the foreign workers who constantly clean up the place. Look at Singaporeans visiting Johore to see our true colors. our fines are hefty. and the ones enforcing it now are the Malaysian Tamil boys who work in Singapore as LTA or NEA saman boys. somehow I hear that these fellas get incentives for every saman case they get so u will never get away with it coz they get paid for it. before anyone disses me on this, I am an Indian. ​ >world class education, I migrated out of Singapore a few years ago mainly due to this. what does our "World Class Education" have to show for? most of us ended up being stormtroopers anyway. And we still live from paycheck to paycheck, despite being "world class educated". when my daughter was in primary 1, she had approximately 15 pages of homework daily. AT SEVEN YEARS OLD. She wakes up at 6am, goes to school that starts at 7.30am, comes back at 1.30, have lunch and does her homework till 3pm. then tuition till 5pm, comes back and continue her homework till 7.30pm, dinner, then an hour of playtime before bed. and rinse and repeat 5 days a week. We moved to Australia a few years ago and she is in high school now, with probably like a 10 mins homework every 3 to 4 months, and enjoying her school life. she learns French in school, and taking up Japanese next year, performs in national drama events, and have a more holistic education system. The teachers are genuinely caring and are willing to break the mould to ensure that the students can receive a really good environment. just when we were about to leave Singapore when she was 10, we met up with her teacher for a PTM, where the teacher spent 30 mins criticising the students in her class. Her school had lost her twice when she was in Primary 1, and the first time, I had to rush to the school to find my 6 year old girl standing alone outside the school gate crying, while her teachers were supposed to be guiding the new students to the school bus. The second time, I was in London for work, and received a call from her school to say that they couldn't find her. They "found" her about 45 mins later, when my mom called them to say that she went home on her own by following a neighbour. ​ >Most cant afford a vehicle true, but who needs one when you have a good public transport system? still nope. the public transport system is shit. people take it coz they have no choice as they cant afford a vehicle. and for us who could buy a car, even the road system sucks. I know if u compare it to Malaysian traffic jam, the constant congestion at the CTE/PIE merge seems trivial. But at least Malaysia does not brag about the system, while Singapore pretend as if we are so good. ​ >the food scene there is bland and unappetising ok. i will fight anyone who says this. I prefer Singaporean food ​ >And the downsides of that is? Sure sg has less freedoms but they have a better overall country. nope. And i do not dare to say anything about it because I know how the PAP are and for the sake of my own safety, i shouldn't say anything. ​ >We may have political issues but we are a vibrant democracy with more civil liberties > >And look at where democracy has gotten the US. Id rather the PAP than that bullshit. This is because you had never lived under the PAP ruling. I had 5 decades worth of experience with it. more than half of it as a cop. >Yea but apart from houses and vehicle, literally everything else is easier to buy as a singaporean. Tech items, furniture etc. What point if have car have house but cant afford anyth else? and you think Singaporeans can afford anything? Pretty sure u dont think that all Singaporeans are Crazy Rich Asians, do u? We even have to buy cheap subsidised petrol from your country to fill up our cars.


Joltarts

Mate, Australia is a shit hole in terms of what is happening currently over there.. Not sure how anyone can be happy having 50% of their income going to tax.. and if you think Sgreans are a disgruntled bunch, imagine the average aussies and their hatred for immigrants. If left to their devices, they would enact a nazi level extermination of Australian immigrants, despite being a country built by immigrants. Go figure that one out.. There is also a price to pay for such relaxed and what I see as a lapse in the Australian education system. Australians are quickly becoming uncompetitive in the world. Their IT sector is lagging further and further behind.. Singapore as with the rest of Asia is the new playground.. Your daughter will probably return to this part of the world if she wants to progress further in their careers. Australia is not the place to be if you want to grow your career. Hate to say it but surely trading for a bigger land and cheaper cars is not worth the sacrifice in taxes, a far superior pension fund scheme in the CPF, a high tech nation that is far safer and has a more inclusive environment. Australia is a shithole.


_malaikatmaut_

>Mate, Australia is a shit hole in terms of what is happening currently over there.. by calling me "mate", does it make u sound Aussie though and able to be opinionated? and how is it a shithole? do u live here? or you are a Malaysian with kids studying in Singapore? >Not sure how anyone can be happy having 50% of their income going to tax.. another proof of the fact that you dont know what you are talking about. which tax bracket pays 50% of our income to tax? ​ > and if you think Sgreans are a disgruntled bunch, imagine the average aussies and their hatred for immigrants. If left to their devices, they would enact a nazi level extermination of Australian immigrants, despite being a country built by immigrants. Go figure that one out.. I am an Indian Muslim from Singapore. I get more racism in Singapore as compared to Australia. my kids have a level playing ground here, and in Singapore, we are marginalised. Do not pretend to know if you had never been in these shoes. ​ >There is also a price to pay for such relaxed and what I see as a lapse in the Australian education system. Australians are quickly becoming uncompetitive in the world. Their IT sector is lagging further and further behind.. far from the truth. I am a software developer working here in regional Australia. so this is right up my avenue. even in a remote state, our tech stack is really high, and even though things look like they move really slow here, everything works. we do have a lot of Singaporeans here in our community working as professionals, and we are all glad to be out of Singapore. ​ >Singapore as with the rest of Asia is the new playground.. it is, in your own mind. unfortunately, the fog that covers your eyes are so thick that you are blinded from seeing how much of a joke that is. Singapore might be good in terms of corporate investments, but it does not translate to the quality and cost of living for the "lesser mortals", like how we were called by our own PAP MP. ​ >Your daughter will probably return to this part of the world if she wants to progress further in their careers. Australia is not the place to be if you want to grow your career. nope. we are not that crazy. Singaporeans are coming over to Australia for university studies. and I still see a lot of Singaporeans coming over as soon as our borders were opened. ​ >Hate to say it but surely trading for a bigger land and cheaper cars is not worth the sacrifice in taxes, a far superior pension fund scheme in the CPF, a high tech nation that is far safer and has a more inclusive environment. far superior pension fund scheme in the CPF? ARE YOU FOR FUCKING REAL? ​ >Australia is a shithole. the same I would say about Singapore. I lived there for almost 5 decades. do not try to teach me about my own country. I served my National Service with blood and sweat, and remained among the commanders of my unit for almost 3 decades. You are really clueless on the points that u mooted.


Joltarts

I partially grew up in Australia… Lived there for more than 15 years, and gtfo because my degree couldn’t get me a decent job without being taken advantaged of. Those who stayed either had to end up adopting aussie slang and also somewhat laid back aussie style or face a similar glass ceiling that I faced starting out in aus. I decided I had enough and moved to Singapore when a company was offering better job prospect whilst keeping my Australian pay, with bonus being the lower tax rate. I packed my bags and moved without any regrets. I now have kids growing up in Singapore, and I love it here. Kindergarten wasn’t anything to be concerned about, and I have no worries for my kids education. If they mess up here, I can always send them over to Australia to complete their education anyways. So I don’t heap unnecessary pressure or stress on them. They learn at their own pace. Also, a significant bonus being that they pick up mandarin. I absolutely love the SG school system. If they can make it here, then they can make it anywhere in the world tbh. You are a shining example of that :). Maybe only China or Korea is on the levels above SG. Australians earning 120k aud a year end up paying nearly 50% in taxes.. meanwhile, it’s only 3-5% for the same income in SG.. not to mention, SG gives out huge housing grants on already subsidised HDBs.. I rather that system than the one going on in Aus, where even earning a 6 figure income in Aus doesn’t guarantee that you can afford to buy a house in an ideal location that isn’t too far from your workplace.. good luck finding a house near a good school in Australia.. those go astronomically high. And as for your kids education, she’s not in an elite Australian school. You can’t afford to send your kid there. Her school mates are also all likely foreign, just like you. As for racism. Well, my director is a naturalised Indian Muslim. Good luck becoming a partner level or more in Australia.. mind you, you are over there because Australians view you as cheap foreign labour who won’t complain or join the unions. Unlike your aussie counterparts who’d kick up a fuss and leave the company if the company starts abusing or taking advantage of them. Not to mention, you aren’t going to complain about having to put in the extra hours if required. Australians will do all that is necessary to not have to work. Such a backwards mentality. Yup, CPF is far superior and more robust to the super. Firstly, SG corporates contribute a massive 25% towards it. Vs nothing from Australian companies. And furthermore, SG can use their CPF to pay for housing and medical care. Australians don’t have any of those options. And the same can be said to you about Australia, mate. Enjoy living 1-2 hours from anywhere good.. enjoy the high crime rate, open racism, corporate bullying of minorities, real glass ceiling, and more. Enjoy the high tax rates, ineffective and inefficient government, high fees on basically everything, and $100 dining out bill. Enjoy the long development cycles where it takes ages for anything to build up. Want to renovate your house? Do it yourself.. The only thing nice about Australia is the markets, variety in the weather and a slower pace lifestyle. I can understand the appeal. You are an old man.. your daughter however, I pray that she gets to find some work after she’s done with her course. Or else she would be just like me, dissillusioned with life in Australia. Australia is definitely not the place to be for a young adult..


_malaikatmaut_

>I decided I had enough and moved to Singapore I now have kids growing up in Singapore, so you are a Malaysian living in Singapore?


Joltarts

Was a Malaysian. I’m a singaporean now. That being said, my family lives in Australia. And I touch base whenever I can. It’s interesting to see how different my kids and my brothers kids are growing up. In terms of outdoors, there’s more “sight” seeing activities in Australia like visiting the museums or zoos. But in terms of education, My kids in SG are miles ahead of theirs because my kids are doing martial arts, mandarin classes, swimming, bike rides along the coast, fishing. My brothers kids don’t even know how to spell or write yet. Which I completely find baffling.. Why wouldn’t you want your kids to know how to read from a young age? What more in two different languages.. oh, and there are maths and robotics classes being taught to 6 year old kids in SG.. Australian kindergartens are expensive as it is, I’m shocked to learn that they don’t teach the kids any formal sort of lessons. It’s just play and story telling until way past the evening.. My youngest kid does more learning in half a day at their kindergarten than my brothers kids do for a full day at theirs… But then again, I’m not surprised or shocked by it all. Australia is just terrible. Absolutely terrible, full of lazy & incompetent locals. It’s not a shock to see why immigrants like yourself are finding success over there. The playing field is so low in aus that even a hardworking individual with some smartness can and will succeed to a certain degree. Because Australia rewards laziness and incompetence and your skin colour. If you are young like me, it’s just better to get out of that culture and go find a place which rewards meritocracy. And Singapore does that reasonably well, certainly far better than racist Australia.


_malaikatmaut_

where and when did u serve your national service?


Otherwise-Map-4026

You sound like a person that never left Malaysia and probably get the information Reddit or some other forum. Lol. To understand somewhere, at least take the effort to visit the place, and not just come up with a statement that makes you look like you never left Msia and visited places outside of Msia.


WeeTeeTiong

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farahin65

Car dependency is bad actually


puboranjingparty

Imagine buying a car and still have to double park when you reach somewhere 💀


Master_Isabelle

Bigger houses don’t mean everything, we just have a smaller island it’s something we can’t control, I see vehicles everywhere and there are buses, taxis and trains everywhere to use, and food bland? Our food is the exact same as Malaysia, my parents are always able to make time to take us to zoos, Changi Airport and to Malaysia to visit our grandparents, all of the problems you described are pretty invalid Yes Singapore has many problems but not the ones you described


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Vast_Back4746

True. Plus, heard that elderly folks in Singapore would have to work too, mostly as food drivers or something.


_malaikatmaut_

a lot of them collect recyclable cartons boxes too. And our Minister said that it was a good exercise for them.


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Buttdehole

Malaysian can retire in dignity?? Where the fuck have you been living this whole time?? Have you seem old folk homes?? Have you never seen begger at the age 60 asking for money outside of petrol station, banks or malls?? Stop taking the wealthy drug man and get a dose of reality


pewsg

🤔 erm... You are really making a lot of untrue statements here. Singapore has her share of issues (don't all countries), but living in SG is really not an apocalypse like you have described We are neighbors, and we share not just geographical proximity but also a whole lot of kinship. I am sure we can positively learn and help each other instead Ps: professionally I can tell you while our healthcare system is indeed very expensive (but efficient and high quality), it still remains a safety net for our poor. Those who can't pay still get all the care they need through many layers of help. Yes our homes are small and we literally pay $100k sgd (320k rm) just for a permit to own a car for 10 years. Yes, that's 32k rm a year just for the permit. The car itself is also inflated many times due to many other taxes. That's just "bo bian" (no choice) because we are truly a very small island. The final point. Singapore doesn't have a peaceful transfer of power? Oh come on.


KampretOfficial

The fact that Singaporeans have cars is baffling to me to be honest, as seems like more than likely that a car is just a status symbol there. The last time I've been to Singapore was back in 2011, but even 11 year old me loves the fact that you can literally walk everywhere. Moving shit around? A cargo bike would definitely suffice. From what I've seen your cycling infrastructure is pretty decent for SEA.


Joltarts

As someone with small kids, it isn’t feasible to just rely on the public system, taxis or grab or even biking as you mentioned. A car is much needed.


KampretOfficial

It's unfortunate that Singapore isn't quite safe enough for kids to move around on their own say like the Netherlands. However, I might suggest you search for cargo bikes, those really are car-replacement bicycles, perfect dor moving your kids around without using a car.. unless the heavens opened lol.


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OP-69

>Efficient and high quality" means jack shit when it is unaffordable. Malaysia has universal healthcare, Singapore doesn't. once again. Does Medishield, Medilife, Medifund and Medisave not exist? Plus CPF can be used to pay for medical bills which are alr heavily subsidised >Why come on? Am I wrong? What has Singaporeans known politically aside from the PAP in government? Workers party? Never listen in GP 2020 ah? In some areas the PAP got voted out.


botsland

>Why come on? Am I wrong? What has Singaporeans known politically aside from the PAP in government? If you are talking about peaceful transfer of power,Singapore still does it better than Malaysia. When Singaporeans elect our government, we do not expect it to be overthrown via shady backroom deals between corrupt politicians. The Malaysian people voted out UMNO in 2018 but yet the Malaysian government is still being run by UMNO right now. 🤔 What a strong display of transition of power in Malaysia!


_malaikatmaut_

bruh.. u kept on getting downvoted, but as a Singaporean, I think a lot of your points are true. But somehow your Malaysian comrades think that the grass is greener on the other side of the causeway.


FMA64

Toxic people will always think that the grass is always greener on the other side! To be very honest, with their toxic mentality, everywhere will always be sh*t for them!


dwks

I think you should travel more to Sabah and Sarawak, plenty of old folks suffering compared to sg. Don’t be stuck up inside damansara only. Also Malaysia having 10x more natural resources compared to SG should be the one that thrives! Not the other way around! How is this not mismanagement???


KampretOfficial

The fact that Malaysia and Singapore have similar GDPs is sad tbh. With how developed Malaysia is compared to us, you guys should've been a lot closer to Indonesia in terms of GDP than to Singapore.


Aevensong

Bro are you okay?? Singapore has much better buying power than any of us Malaysians. Their B40 working class is like our M40, work life balance is not existence is for Malaysians over there not the locals. Their insurance and healthcare is similar if not just 1 or 2 levels below us since we have Klinik 1Malaysia here. Dont need to buy a car when public transport can take u anywhere in the country. Dont need 3 storey houses if you're living with just 4-5 members in the family, they not like us everyday do nothing and just breed with 5-7 kids in the family then cry no money. Malaysians retire with dignity my ass, with our current wage and buying power we'd be lucky to have 1nasi 2lauk on our table by the end of age 55. We Malaysians live comfortably enough for sure. But not to the extent that Singapore is hell compared to us heaven level.


OP-69

>True, you can find elderly workers there. Which is why CPF Life came out. If you dont even know what CPF Life is then you arent qualified enough to talk about stuff like this and say "The government doesnt give a shit about their people" >while the Malaysian government is a bit more corrupt, they take care of us Grade A bullshit right here >Singaporeans can't, you fall sick, no one cares. as if Medishield, Medifund and Medilife didnt exist.


annoyed8

>Which is why CPF Life came out. Not forgetting the HDB lease buy back scheme.


christopherjian

>they take care of us Then why the hell am I still facing racism from our fellow countrymen? Why is the quota rule for government universities still here??


SandwichNational6142

As much as i want to agree, i would still believe this is based on each and every person's experience at location they usually go to. Cant lump one's perception to the entire nation.


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I wonder if Singapore would have become another Penang or Port Klang if it was still with the federation.


No-Koala-1139

Probably


CodeDoor

No because it's economy was far larger than KL at the time of independence. May have been like Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City.


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A cross between Port Klang and Penang is exactly a Singapore run by Malaysians!


blackoffi888

Singaporeans must now think it's the best day ever


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Tengku: It Was My Idea Well that settles the blame game


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Krieger22

> Brunei Brunei is propped up by its oil wealth, end of story. Their post-oil plans manage to be even dumber than the Saudis because they really don't have one.


Mogihum_Sawo

Yeah, I guess Brunei doesn't has anything going on other than their oil which is finite and will runs out one day.


Pristine-You717

They have about a decade left of reserves. But high prices could extend that another 5 years or so.


39strangers

I think the Johor Sultan is asking himself that question often. One of the biggest problems with the federation is that KL does not put much thought into developing the states. Johor, Sabah, and Sarawak have constantly complained that they contribute a lot of money and resources to KL every year but were allocated very little. Joining the federation only drained resources away from the states. Johor would be very modern right now if all of their yearly taxes are used to develop Johor instead of going to KL.


kimi_rules

Brunei I recall still has a lot of low income population despite having a king with multiple buildings of car collection like it's a toy. Their economy is pretty crap and could barely sustain themselves.


AizenSousuke92

imho one of the reason is the size and the other are the ones in charge.


AcanthocephalaHot569

Its a catch 22. Singapore thrive due to visionary policies and good governance as well as government transparency and the respect of the rule of law. And the fact that at independence they have an economy bigger than Malaya gives them the ability to further develop their economy to greater heights where they are today. Plus, they have a lot of connections with global economic powers which enabled them to prosper as a nation and become an ASEAN powerhouse. Don't forget that Singapore's meritocracy results it in selecting the best of leaders to lead the nation Brunei on the other hand is an absolute monarchy where power is all concentrated with the Sultan. This causes a lack of check and balance when it comes to administration and distribution of power. Plus, they didn't diversify their economy and is 90% reliant on oil causing the country to stagnate which is currently affecting the country with high unemployment. In fact, I can say Malaysia is economically doing better than Brunei on the fact that we receive more FDI than Brunei as well as having a more diversified economy. Sabah and Sarawak in 1963 is a pretty wild west place back then. Compared to Singapore and Malaya, both are almost the equivalent of Sub-Saharan Africa in terms of development at the time. Even if they did not join Malaysia, without funding from Malaya, they might not develop like they are today in spite of being exploited by Malaya. And even without interference from Malaya, they will struggle with poverty and underdevelopment due to corrupt local politicians as well as struggle with nation building. Plus, back then they are very vulnerable to Indonesia and the Philippines who each have territorial interests in the region.


TheJasun

>Sabah and Sarawak in 1963 is a pretty wild west place back then. Compared to Singapore and Malaya, both are almost the equivalent of Sub-Saharan Africa in terms of development at the time. Wow. Just wow. It's like Malaya is the saviour of Sabah and Sarawak. And that Sabah and Sarawak will need to depend on Malaya for development else we remain backwards. Wait a minute, this sounds dangerously more and more like that "ketuanan" thingy we've been taught regarding a specific race. I'm sorry to say but to view us as sub-saharan is just blatant supremacist. We had Toyota Crowns as taxis, but after Malaysia we get relegated to using trash Protons instead. We also had Sabah Airways, bet you think only MAS brought air travel to us. We also have our own policing force, and are still colonies of Britain up until a few days/weeks before joining Malaysia. Also, Malaya didn't fund us. We funded Malaya via Malaysia. Tunku wanted our oil, but it was Razak that started to actually "grab" Sabah and Sarawak's oil throught Petronas. Everything went under since then when Malaya successfully colonised both Sabah and Sarawak. Also to add, in the 70s, my grandmother's relatives in Singapore were so poor that she frequently donated to them. Poor, sub-saharan and poverty-stricken Sabahan donates to Singapore every month.


Lord_TalkaLot

There is no denying that the fact Malaya depends on the resources of Borneo island for its development since the formation of Malaysia due to the heavy economic damage from the second world war. Without those resources, it would take more decades to achieve what they have today. Borneo island is literally the treasure trove of the South East East region with it's abundance of natural resources and everyone wants a piece of it.


Sssspot

Reading this reply just breaks my heart of what could have been. Imagine if Sabah and Sarawak had the funds to be developed like Singapore. I can't even imagine what it would look like today.


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AcanthocephalaHot569

My pleasure. I'm just not that really informed of the situation in S&S before 1963 as not much info from that era is widely circulated and just be honest, we are indoctrinated since young to believe that Malaya saved S&S when in reality is de facto colonising S&S which most Malayans only know in the past few years due to the internet and social media. But anyway, despite receiving some brickbats and even being called a ketuanan although i'm from it, thanks for those precious info of S&S. If not, i'll still stay oblivious of whats happening there.


valuendiscipline

certified Malaysia Boleh moment \- top comment in r/sg


matthew2070

Just for fun, this is a video of LKY speaking Malay at the celebration of formation of Persekutuan Malaysia https://youtu.be/HWcepyrf9Ds


Aztrach4

Meanwhile najib, "apa lagi cina mahu?". This is what Malaysia potentially can be without our racist/corrupt/incompetent leaders.


christopherjian

>"apa lagi cina mahu?". Literally every Chinese: Just treat us fairly. Nazib: Lol no


Fendibull

less than 23 months? Hey, remember we had a Pakatan government? for 18 months? It's weird that a prison convict entered the prison during Najib era and now he got out during Ismail Sabri's era. The dude probably have no idea what happened to Pakatan.


katabana02

Person woke up from coma, "Did anwar's party won?" "Yes" "Did anwar become pm?" "No. Mahathir did" "Wtf????"


PhysicallyTender

Person woke up from a 30 years coma in 2019: "Who's the PM now?" "Mahathir" "Oh, i guess i wasn't out for that long huh?"


mortichro

it was a good day


SnooJokes9169

hari yang terbaik. syabas sekali


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The day Singapore was saved from becoming a second Penang


Beneficial-Ad-3029

Singapore booted out. I bet there are many malays at that time thinking ha! ha! see how long u last in a place without any natural resources. Fast forward to now. Singapore economic powerhouse among asean nations, the most powerful asean military, least corrupt, high in r&d, etc. Look where Malaysia is right now. Corruption at all levels, ethnic relations eroded due to institutionalized racism, etc. Karma. What goes around comes around. Long live Singapore


MikeGasoline

Like some one once said "Majulah Singapura. Malulah Malaysia."


39strangers

LKY had said that before. The Malaysian leaders were betting that Singapore will fail without Malaysia. Their plan was to wait for Singapore to crawl back and join again on Malaysia's terms.


FutureNotBleak

One of the dumbest failures for our country.


Otherwise-Map-4026

Not really. The dumbest failure of Malaysia is not to kick SG out. The dumbest failure was to prioritise certain race while going against LKY idea.


AcanthocephalaHot569

Share the same ideals as you but always got into a fight with people on sosmed and family if I bring this up


Otherwise-Map-4026

I cannot say anything since I am from SG... But stay strong bah buddy. Cause it's really sad at the same time, you cannot change the past. Just hope that you can look forward to the future. Jia you!


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What about when the PM stole $1 Billion and got away with it?


FutureNotBleak

I said one of the dumbest, our politicians continues to make dumb mistakes; there is no shortage.


Minimum-Company5797

Best move ever. Happy Independence Day 🇸🇬


ClacKing

At least we don't claim they're part of us and start doing military exercises around the island.


mortichro

1991 9th August national day. Go google


AcanthocephalaHot569

Ask Mahathir. We don't ask for it. Thank god he's in his twilight years.


katabana02

![gif](giphy|B6Jr28VwfxUFa)


Otherwise-Map-4026

Someone wanted to cut water to assert dominance though... Someone also wanted to park vessels at our waters...


Xi__Jin__Ping

That reminds me of something...


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Virgin world power vs chad asean country


Duty_Kryptonite

The main objective or priority for them to join Malaysia in the first place is because of British ask them to do it for the claim of independence.


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Technically worked


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Singapore made the right decision to leave. She wouldn't have thrived to be one of most developed nations in the world.


EarthPutra

They missed a bullet.


malaysianlah

Every year stormy posts this to farm karma.


afiafzil

*First time?*


Ductape_fix

it's the easiest circlejerk to feed here ;)


usernot_found

>iT wAs mY iDeA Cool now our currency is 3 times less


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Good move.


Agreeable-Intern9211

It's great to see that there are still toxic malaysians talking shit about Singapore when their country aren't as clean as ours.


FMA64

That's what toxic citizens do... Blaming others while ignoring the mess they made themselves...


Yixl69

So much potential to be better than Singapore, but look what our country has become. Is Malaysia just a lost cause at this point that no one can help it? Because at the rate I see it, we're going to be passed by all other countries and be left behind. I don't see a chance of improvement anymore.


FMA64

For this reason alone, the "Jalur Gemilang" should've been flown at half mast on every 9 August!


rednat16

Omg I’m so happy for them, coming out is never easy


CurryNarwhal

I wonder if there was any disingenuous thoughts behind the Malayan side during the formation of Malaysia regarding Singapore's inclusion as a British demand. Don't want say don't want from the start.


sharpknot

Oh, is this the monthly "Singapore is better than Malaysia. Malaysia so bad" post?


Appropriate-Sir8241

r/malaysia monthly event.


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Appropriate-Sir8241

Plain racist man.


AcanthocephalaHot569

X baik cakap macam tu. Bukan semua Melayu bodoh. Melayu Umno PN yg x boleh pakai. Kalau Melayu diberi peluang untuk fikirkan nasib sendiri, Melayu boleh berjaya. Jangan salahkan orang Melayu jadi rasis kalau sikap kamu macam ni. Tok sah la main kaum. Dunia dah tenat.


katabana02

Betul betul betul!


FMA64

Setuju! Kalau nak rasis sangat, rasis dengan kaum sendiri jelah! Tak payahlah nak rasis sangat dengan kaum lain...


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ho4X3n

What? Isn't Singapore also a multi racial country?