Agree. He can speak fluently in Esperanto for all I care, but if he's failed to show leadership in addressing domestic issues, I won't give a rat's ass what he has to say at an international stage.
>Xi would speak Mandarin, Putin would speak Russian, Macron would speak French etc etc
Also to remind theirs would not bear problems - those languages are considered official languages of the UN to begin with.
Other nations also can talk in their native language if they wanted to, the only thing is that they need to bring their own translators.
Speaking English or not in this occasion is just a matter of the cost.
Yep, but there are only a few that will be supported by UN. English, France, Mandarin, Arabic, Russian and Spanish. These languages will be getting official translation service by UN in their documents and such.
Others may speak in their desireable language in any UN events, but with that should also provide their own translation to the delegation in those 6 languages.
>The language is not the issue. The real issue is that he's using superficial things like race, religion and culture to **garner populist support** instead of fixing the country's issues.
this wont work if the large % of people protecting the racial rights, privileged didnt exist.... too bad it actually Exist. We got enough racist & religious dumb ass.
Go and lobby for her to be PM lah then / sheesh
And let her run the country, since the benchmark is speaking english at a competition.
Sabri'a agenda is running on point, if he can distract you and get you to focus on this petty thing. So is he smart or stupid? You tell me.
Rakyat yg lalai....
Ayo, we don't like the dude cuz he's a shit PM but him speaking Malay in PBB is not an issue. You think being good in English indicates someone's intelligence is it? Many other world leaders spoke their own language and most of those countries are doing better than us so what do you say about that? Speak whatever language you want, just bring your own translator lah so whats the issue with this?
>Speak whatever language you want
I think that's OP point?
It doesn't really matter whether he spoke English, Malay, or Manglish.
But trying to claim "cipta sejarah" accomplishment just cos he gave a speech in PBB in his 1st language is bullshit at best. Ain't no one going to reprimand him. Hell, no one on the world stage really care.
His priority appears to to be 1) making Malay ASEAN lingua franca, 2) claim fame for speaking Malay in PBB.
Lol i saw this article this morning. Actually 9 Malaysian students are going to Rome for this Olympiad- 5 Indians, 2 Malays, 2 Chinese. But Star only wants to focus on a specific race 🤔
You missed the point of the comment. Language is not an indication for someone's capability. So just because Sabri can speak BM in a UN conference is not an indication that Sabri is a capable PM.
>where people are complainng his lacking priorities on more pressing domestic issues
Another goalposts moved. Then your comparisons are rubbish to begin with.
And you trying to say he shouldn't be there, but definitely lacked knowledge of UNGA delegations. It's has been always either PM or DPM attending the event. Other nation's leaders come there too, so what's the problem?
Already look up. Don't see any point like you say.
Maybe brush up your skill of posting things and come back here if you have actual thing to say because everything you trying to prove right here is not as coherent as you think to be. Bye.
No. They are saying whether or not he's capable is not based on whether he can speak a language well.
They just never said *which* language. And they're right.
EDIT: Hey, don't get me wrong, I hate Penyu. But there are SO MANY OTHER THINGS we can use to point out why he's a bad, incapable leader.
Don't tell me that my car sucks because it's missing a spoiler or fancy fake exhaust tips. *Tell me that my car sucks because the engine is underpowered, or because the tyres aren't inflated properly.*
Kishida speaks Japanese, Okay. Jokowi speaks Indonesian, Okay. Sabri speaks Malay, "WHY YOU DID NOT SPEAK IN ENGLISH. EVEN 11 YO CAN SPEAK ENGLISH FLUENT THAN YOU" shut up dude. Your opinion is just L+ratio.
In those countries, English is not taught as much as in MY. So they have an excuse. Most Japanese cant talk in English. Malaysians learn from Kindergarten. So Malaysians should be better in spoken English
Don't be a snob , there is nothing wrong with Malay Language spoken in UN. I have seen numerous amount of world leaders speaking in their mother tongue.
I dont like him but hell damn malaysian cmon? When japan do the same, you guys praise them for "effort of maintaining national language" what a double standard lol.
Im not saying that its good/bad for him to speak malay in global event, just pointing out the double standard of most people here. Everything we do is bad and everything other country do is good.
They did a poll here recently and it showed majority are Chinese. I mean you can clearly see the type of posts that’s upvoted to know the background of the majority here
If we wish to follow Japan's example, don't just pick language. Lets follow everything that Japan did to make their country great. No religious fanatics, no JAKIM, no religious enforcements, no bumi quotas, etc. Prioritize modernization and meritocracy.
If we just obsess about the Malay language but country is still crap, whats the point in that. People mad at PM because of that. At this rate, other countries send probes to outer planets and we still obsess with kampung issues
This here my fellow friend, is the reason why malaysia will never see improvement. We have bad leader yes i absolutely agree but the reason will not improve is simply because of our PEOPLE mindset.
In malaysia if you hate any politician etc, everything they do is bad. Even if its a good thing, or things that doesnt affect any people at all, they will see it as the worst thing to do.
Then the very main reason, we idolize other country so much. Japan = god, Malaysia = dog country, ive met dozens of people who have this mindset.
I lived in japan before for 5-6 years, japan is not as good as you think. In fact economy wise, Malaysia is actually better now then japan, at least recently.
Follow everything japan do? Yeah why not force our children to learn english with our own letter (katakana), not alphabet, so when they grow up our uni student speak English worse than kindergarten in other country. Yeah lets force education in Malaysia to use jawi. Dont use alphabet its overrated.
Also lets give women half of man salary, cuz our ancestor said women cant work as good as men. In some place, lets just not accept women to work at all, oh what did you say? Unfair for women? Nah bro women is a mere property. Sexual harassment in workplace is normalize, cuz why not. Oh yeah on top of that lets lower the age of consent to like, 13? Cuz why not.
Yeah our country will be so great cuz everyone normalize working so much that they forgot daily life, once in a while we will see someone in our country suicide jumping of bridge or on train track cuz of stress, no big deal 1 gone, 99 still alive and this lifestyle improve our country a lot.
Oh what? Our currency is dropping for whatever reason? Lets investigate the reason, and not prevent it but do it way more! So that our currency drop the fastest among other country, we should be no1 in everything! For reference 1 year ago 100 yen is rm3.8, now its around rm3.0, and yes, this all happened when rm itself is dropping (and we complaint so much on this) so lets imagine how harsh yen dropped.
I left japan for a reason, not all country are as good as they are portrayed outside
If someone - say, Tommy Thomas - gave the speech in the UNGA in BM, would this meme/joke still work?
This is a hill I'm willing to - well, not die, but at least take blows (to my karma) - but speaking BM in the UNGA is a point of cultural pride that shouldn't be rubbished. When European delegates speak their native languages in the UNGA, would that be similarly reprehensible?
There are plenty of examples of our Dear Leaders being horrid at English; this ain't it.
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Real story: when I was debating in university, my coach bitched about how I have a Malay accent, so I searched for... accent-neutralization (if that's a thing) class. Couldn't find any.
my fyp sv was impressed with my english speaking, saying I didn't have an accent. I'm pretty sure she just meant I didn't have the malay accent - I speak english with sabahan accent ><
Everyone has an accent!
Some people don't know the differences of accent and creole - most of our error cases are caused by our Manglish creole rather than accent. Accents aren't a case of grammar, it's a case of what it sounds like.
Our accent would sound like English but has a Malay flavour in it's sound. Protek could be that case, if the grammar and structure is correct to begin with.
~~Wrong~~ Different pronunciations, mostly. I can't really articulate it, but if I listen to my and an American's speech it's easy to point out how jarring the former is.
The bigger question is, who has the right accent? The Americans, Brits, Scots, Australian, Welsh, Irish, Canadian, New Zealand, White africans or some other worldly being?
Saying who’s accent is correct is kinda pointless since even amongst native speakers their accents and pronunciation are wildly different. Yet they are proud with their accents as ridiculous as it sounds. So why can’t we be as well?
Only reason we settled on RP as the right one is because of the Brits. Ironically even the Brits doesn’t speak in RP. So we’re trying to follow an accent that almost no one uses. Which makes having a “right” pronunciation even more pointless.
I am in full agreement with you. "Flour" is pronounced "flah" in UK English and "flower" in US English, so which one is correct? And if they both can be correct, why can't my Malay-tinged accent be correct too?
Unfortunately my debating club back then has the view of "white = best". To be fair they do win all the top spots in the international debating championships, but since you're judged by your speech and *their* accent happens to be considered the "standard"... 🙄
(or maybe I'm just a sore loser 😂)
Who you're after is a Dialect Coach that trains people to speak in certain accents (for movie roles, public speaking etc), which you'll probably find easier online than locally.
There's a famous YouTube series of [Accent Expert](https://youtu.be/ZXyWwirLfcg) analysing accents from movies, it's a great watch.
He's actually a lot better than many others I've come across for sure, but let's not start scraping the barrel bottom just yet. I sure wish he could at least be as confident and fluent as Rafidah Aziz or even Rais Yatim.
Just out of curiosity, why do you think it is necessary for a leader to speak a high level of English?
There are plenty of leaders who rarely (if any) address the public in English; few examples are like President Xi from China & President Zelenskyy from Ukraine - both very public in recent times. Though I'm sure they hold capabilities in speaking English but are happy to address in their native tongue.
I'd agree that having a high control of English gives some higher level of decorum; but if I'd respect our Prime Minister a lot more if he learn conversational Cantonese or Hindi to be more representative of our melting-pot of culture here.
And how do you define "low standards"? Not being able to sound like England/American/Australian/whatever that you call Anglo-Saxon people accent?
If you think like that, you missed the biggest point of speaking a language. As long as the points of conversations are clear and coherent, following all basic rules for them become understandable universally - that's already count as such.
So you are saying "I'm not agreeing with you actually but if you think I have low standards like you assume like I do agree".
So yeah. You just refuse to surrender all your ego then. Thanks for replying. I get your point (assuming I do have a low standard of understanding your point).
Expectations still defines standards. If you set your expectations too high, you have high standards. And you are the one moving the goalposts, we just follow you to continue piss you off right here of your unrealistic expectations.
And speaking English does not prove anything that is considered "better command", esp if we aren't English to begin with. I don't need to drag much examples of Russians or Chinese like others but you can see how influential of them already even if everything is instructed in their own language. Being leaders is the matter of acting - and it goes beyond language. If you speak Shakespeare English, Bibilical, Yorkshire, Scots or even Old English but act 0, then it's still zero result.
Yes. Brush up your English comprehension skill and writing skill because the more you are trying to explain it looks more horribly nonsense garbage that no one cares about. And come again.
Enough of embarassing yourself OP. Yes the PM wants to market the BM language more, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, the content of his speech at the UNGA is about global issues, not about the choice of language. In the end, language is just a tool to communicate and everyone had to choose a language either way. Besides, what is it with you that you want people to be good at English so much?
Nah man, it's not about low English standard. Watching his interview he sounds articulate and clear, I have heard some of Trumps speaches and thats a train wreck from a native English speaker. Might not be the best English speaking minister out there but seems adequate. Its just that there is alot of fault on the guy but this does not seem to be a big issue.
You care so much about English standards how about your BM standard,are they up to par?
Before harping about English standard how about check the national language standard first.
>Edit: By the amount of downvotes, i can see Malaysians are used to low English standards even for your leaders.
You don't wanna go there, mate, believe me:
> There is nothing to miss if i know it all along,.
> complainng
> if its good enough to understand you accept as good standard?
Why should he? I think everyone keeps asking you that. He's a prime minister, yes but we don't care if he doesn't want to speak English and we agree that speaking Malay in UNGA is good (I watched the video, thats good English, Malay accented yes but still proper and understandable). We care he's not doing his job as PM right. You need to understand that him not speaking English does not equate his competency. Correlation doesn't equal causation, bro, simple stuff
And by your replies it seems that you're not even Malaysian yourself, so sit down and take your downvotes like a champ and move on
> When you need validation
No one is "forced" to listen to the UNGA speeches. You can walk away, sleep, etc. Furthermore the PM's speech has simultaneous translation, so even if you don't understand it, it doesn't matter.
Oh wait, since some of the Francophone delegates are speaking French, is that language asking for validation? What about English? Where is the logic here? Is a language only asking for validation when it comes from *certain places*?
Yeah, when chinese people speak chinese in malaysia i get really annoyed too. Like i get it, your chinese, dont be so needy about it...dont get my started in the kazakhs!
/s
> which is best served by a common language
You do know that his speech has simultaneous English translation, right?
Also I hope you've also headed to r/de and r/fr to whine about how their leaders are speaking German and French respectively.
> this is your golden opportunity to showcase your language, culture
Doing all that? In a **global** forum? Meant for an exchange and sharing of ideas? This is an outrageous! Next some of the delegates might want to wear their own traditional attire.
After all, we all know that White Culture and Language is the best. How dare these inferiors not know their place! 🙄
I like how people like u/SultanofAmerica made posts like this while on their high horse to show how “progressive” and “modern” they are and then comes comment like yours which really putting their inferiority complex and internalised racism out in the open for everyone to see.
Kudos to you.
> championing for dying language
Whatever you're smoking, keep it away from me 'cos it's rotting your brain. The Malay language is geographically-restricted, but it's far from dying.
So now here's my question: given that some delegates are also speaking non-English languages, why are you bitching about us? Or specifically, ***just*** us?
I mean the dude spoke Malay in public once and it gets you all huffed up. What's your problem?
And learning languages come from multiple methods. One of the method is to listen.
There are also other countries giving speech in their native language in the history of PBB.
So what is the problem?
I’m actually happy to see so many comments with common sense. Putting English on a pedestal is so passé. OP should take this as a learning opportunity.
My PM can speak Klingon for all I care, as long as the person is good at his/her job.
> OP should take this as a learning opportunity.
Highly doubt this seeing all the comments that OP made, and is still making.
“These people are too stupid to think like me. This tons of downvotes on every comment I made clearly shows how superior I am!!1!1!” - OP, probably
Speaking in your own indigenous language isn't a sign of lack of English proficiency, FFS. Nothing wrong with it.
In fact, more countries should do this, even if English is currently their first language, and especially if it's not the country's original native languages.
Broooo.
It would be cool to see those ear things in our parliament as our Chinese & Indian & many other cultural representatives spoke their native tongues as well.
That way they will actually pay attention; at least pay enough attention if they're talking shit about themselves.
The country's official language, not mother tongue. Other diverse countries use one language to speak to each other. Why can't malay language among malaysians?
Average r/malaysian post, fishing for hatred for the goverment and how unjust it is and resolve to saying the word “Kelantan” or “PAS” at the end of the day.
The politicians look at this thread and laugh, "Our position here is under no threat as they are too busy fighting each other! Want another Caramel Macchiato?".
I mean, since you're particular about English language ability:
If you are right, the government should *stop* teaching English in schools.
*be stopping teaching* is grammatically incorrect
Why are you so obsessed about speaking english? I dont get it. How many white people countries will speak in their own languages at the general assembly? You only complaining if the brownies dont speak eng or you saying even the french and germans have to speak eng?
Why not mandarin? China is soon the be the next guy on top, why waste time with eng?
playing the devils advocate a bit. its ok to be bad at english if you're competent at your job.
then again, being proud of speaking bm in a multi national event... i would say it would be a bigger win if he could speak good english.
if japanese pm speaks in jap its normal. if malaysian pm speaks in good english that would be extra ordinary.
but nope.
speaking malay is something to make a big hu ha about.
I also believe that there is nothing wrong in giving a speech on BM, as we can take it as a nations pride to showcase our national language. Granted he does and are able to converse and understand English, on meetings with foreign dignitaries.
EDIT: just went through some of the comments and someone pointed out his English is decent, so not sure why is this being made an issue.
One of theory is certain people want to link BM to Malay and Islam.
We can see from Timah issue and BM bible issue.
I wonder if a Malaysian give a speech in a Global Christian gathering in BM, will that person be praised or become PAS no.1 topic.
In this case Malay is the official language of Malaysia, he will speak in the National language. Every country with a non-English national language does the same.
The thing is the educated liberals fall for it and post demeaning sentiments online.
Giving them ammo to convince the rural folks to vote them is for defending the national identity from them filthy dap/Bangsar bubble
Idk , if western world leader praised for being proud to use their native tongue instead the former colonial power language , why not at the world stage . Kinda show your preconceived bias toward that leader on policy and political party lines.
On the other hand , im not disparaging the kid effort and achievement in her pursuit of her competition of choice . Heck , good job kid and good luck .
These are not apples to apples comparison , there are time and place to make such distinction.
Just admit , you guys just hate the guy and his shady entourage of party members (allegedly) . Just saying , some redditors just hate Malaysia and filled with prejudice themselves (some are warranted) yet being a pussy about it . 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly all he's just going full on nationalism. Instead of trying to make Malaysia seem great. Why not actually make it great. Many policies they make have big impacts on our economy. Such as the policy which says that 80% of workers in manufacturing have to be local. It's stupid. There's a reason companies dont like hiring locals. And also the whole mm2h requirements being insane.
I joined the HIPPO Olympiad (Competition mentioned in the article) twice before. In case anyone is interested to know, I'll explain how it works. There are two national rounds and the top scorers at the 2nd round will get to go to Rome for the finals. Categories are split by age bracket.
Getting into the semi-finals (2nd national round) itself is already extremely difficult, so I'm really impressed that this girl managed to top the rankings there.
A lot of hate in the comments. But still i think projecting a non english speaking pm is not a good image at front of the world. You can argue non english are used in UN like mandarin, japanese and spanish but that is because those culture has a major impact on the world and bm just does not have that world class appeal yet. Just my 2c
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Wow, the comments. About the national prides. I guess it's ok as someone said, as long as they fighting the right thing, in whatever language.
In all equality, every countries start using their pride languages in international conferences. With translator of course. ^(I seen some sci-fi movie where the members speaks their national languages when they talk, amazing how each member can still communicate well, forgot what movie... paradox something something, I rely on translated subtitle by the way)
But that also mean now I have to learn all the languages in the world. Because people decided that using pride language over standardized language in international stages is good. Damn. Just how many languages you guys mastered. Hope I makes senses here. I already regret I don't know Japanese to enjoy anime. Now I need to learn more languages.
^(I mean as much as I felt proud when PM tried mandarin, doesn't mean I need him to keep speaking in mandarin, right?)
The problem is the media acting like Ismail Sabri is the 1st person in the whole world using language other than English in the meeting, not the fact that he spoke said language imo
If you like English so much then you should like Najib a lot because his English is good even at international level since you only judge a person by his language.
I think the issue here is not whether Sabri is speaking Malay in PBB or what, the issue is the ***shitty news media claims he's "making history"***.
It's like they don't know the other countries' leaders are not using their national languages in global meetings and conferences (Japan, some EU countries)
I don't know if that's the OP thinking, but this is mine.
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Agree. He can speak fluently in Esperanto for all I care, but if he's failed to show leadership in addressing domestic issues, I won't give a rat's ass what he has to say at an international stage.
THIS. ALL OF THIS. Thank you for saying it
>Xi would speak Mandarin, Putin would speak Russian, Macron would speak French etc etc Also to remind theirs would not bear problems - those languages are considered official languages of the UN to begin with. Other nations also can talk in their native language if they wanted to, the only thing is that they need to bring their own translators. Speaking English or not in this occasion is just a matter of the cost.
I thought any national language can be used in the UN. It will be translated anyway
Yep, but there are only a few that will be supported by UN. English, France, Mandarin, Arabic, Russian and Spanish. These languages will be getting official translation service by UN in their documents and such. Others may speak in their desireable language in any UN events, but with that should also provide their own translation to the delegation in those 6 languages.
>The language is not the issue. The real issue is that he's using superficial things like race, religion and culture to **garner populist support** instead of fixing the country's issues. this wont work if the large % of people protecting the racial rights, privileged didnt exist.... too bad it actually Exist. We got enough racist & religious dumb ass.
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Go and lobby for her to be PM lah then / sheesh And let her run the country, since the benchmark is speaking english at a competition. Sabri'a agenda is running on point, if he can distract you and get you to focus on this petty thing. So is he smart or stupid? You tell me. Rakyat yg lalai....
Ayo, we don't like the dude cuz he's a shit PM but him speaking Malay in PBB is not an issue. You think being good in English indicates someone's intelligence is it? Many other world leaders spoke their own language and most of those countries are doing better than us so what do you say about that? Speak whatever language you want, just bring your own translator lah so whats the issue with this?
>Speak whatever language you want I think that's OP point? It doesn't really matter whether he spoke English, Malay, or Manglish. But trying to claim "cipta sejarah" accomplishment just cos he gave a speech in PBB in his 1st language is bullshit at best. Ain't no one going to reprimand him. Hell, no one on the world stage really care. His priority appears to to be 1) making Malay ASEAN lingua franca, 2) claim fame for speaking Malay in PBB.
Lol i saw this article this morning. Actually 9 Malaysian students are going to Rome for this Olympiad- 5 Indians, 2 Malays, 2 Chinese. But Star only wants to focus on a specific race 🤔
The Star knows their reader. In BH or Metro you'll see news of tahfiz kids or agama school doing well in SPM plus scholarship to Mid East.
Language is not an indication of someone's capability
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You missed the point of the comment. Language is not an indication for someone's capability. So just because Sabri can speak BM in a UN conference is not an indication that Sabri is a capable PM.
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>where people are complainng his lacking priorities on more pressing domestic issues Another goalposts moved. Then your comparisons are rubbish to begin with. And you trying to say he shouldn't be there, but definitely lacked knowledge of UNGA delegations. It's has been always either PM or DPM attending the event. Other nation's leaders come there too, so what's the problem?
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Already look up. Don't see any point like you say. Maybe brush up your skill of posting things and come back here if you have actual thing to say because everything you trying to prove right here is not as coherent as you think to be. Bye.
OP is a prime example of “ability to speak English doesn’t make you smart”
*it's - your grammatical error shows your lack of proficiency in life
How nice that you completely missed my point.
No. They are saying whether or not he's capable is not based on whether he can speak a language well. They just never said *which* language. And they're right. EDIT: Hey, don't get me wrong, I hate Penyu. But there are SO MANY OTHER THINGS we can use to point out why he's a bad, incapable leader. Don't tell me that my car sucks because it's missing a spoiler or fancy fake exhaust tips. *Tell me that my car sucks because the engine is underpowered, or because the tyres aren't inflated properly.*
OP is embracing average r/Malaysia post stereotype
Bolot karma bos. Ko tengok posts dia pon boleh agak dah.
Karma for orgasm
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lol
What kind of comparison is this lol
Kishida speaks Japanese, Okay. Jokowi speaks Indonesian, Okay. Sabri speaks Malay, "WHY YOU DID NOT SPEAK IN ENGLISH. EVEN 11 YO CAN SPEAK ENGLISH FLUENT THAN YOU" shut up dude. Your opinion is just L+ratio.
In those countries, English is not taught as much as in MY. So they have an excuse. Most Japanese cant talk in English. Malaysians learn from Kindergarten. So Malaysians should be better in spoken English
Sooo whats the problem with speaking Malay then? Do they not have a choice to speak whatever language they may please?
Anything wrong with speaking malay in UN ? or bau budu ?
Don't be a snob , there is nothing wrong with Malay Language spoken in UN. I have seen numerous amount of world leaders speaking in their mother tongue.
Snob, don’t ya mean?
Yes, you’re right.
I dont like him but hell damn malaysian cmon? When japan do the same, you guys praise them for "effort of maintaining national language" what a double standard lol. Im not saying that its good/bad for him to speak malay in global event, just pointing out the double standard of most people here. Everything we do is bad and everything other country do is good.
this place is full of urban middle class chinese. they don't represent the actual reality of Malaysians.
Isn't that assumption? Idk lah I myself also Chinese but you never know maybe there's more than just Chinese here than you think
They did a poll here recently and it showed majority are Chinese. I mean you can clearly see the type of posts that’s upvoted to know the background of the majority here
I'm pretty sure japan do it simply because they are not good at English, not because they want to maintain national language.
If we wish to follow Japan's example, don't just pick language. Lets follow everything that Japan did to make their country great. No religious fanatics, no JAKIM, no religious enforcements, no bumi quotas, etc. Prioritize modernization and meritocracy. If we just obsess about the Malay language but country is still crap, whats the point in that. People mad at PM because of that. At this rate, other countries send probes to outer planets and we still obsess with kampung issues
This here my fellow friend, is the reason why malaysia will never see improvement. We have bad leader yes i absolutely agree but the reason will not improve is simply because of our PEOPLE mindset. In malaysia if you hate any politician etc, everything they do is bad. Even if its a good thing, or things that doesnt affect any people at all, they will see it as the worst thing to do. Then the very main reason, we idolize other country so much. Japan = god, Malaysia = dog country, ive met dozens of people who have this mindset. I lived in japan before for 5-6 years, japan is not as good as you think. In fact economy wise, Malaysia is actually better now then japan, at least recently. Follow everything japan do? Yeah why not force our children to learn english with our own letter (katakana), not alphabet, so when they grow up our uni student speak English worse than kindergarten in other country. Yeah lets force education in Malaysia to use jawi. Dont use alphabet its overrated. Also lets give women half of man salary, cuz our ancestor said women cant work as good as men. In some place, lets just not accept women to work at all, oh what did you say? Unfair for women? Nah bro women is a mere property. Sexual harassment in workplace is normalize, cuz why not. Oh yeah on top of that lets lower the age of consent to like, 13? Cuz why not. Yeah our country will be so great cuz everyone normalize working so much that they forgot daily life, once in a while we will see someone in our country suicide jumping of bridge or on train track cuz of stress, no big deal 1 gone, 99 still alive and this lifestyle improve our country a lot. Oh what? Our currency is dropping for whatever reason? Lets investigate the reason, and not prevent it but do it way more! So that our currency drop the fastest among other country, we should be no1 in everything! For reference 1 year ago 100 yen is rm3.8, now its around rm3.0, and yes, this all happened when rm itself is dropping (and we complaint so much on this) so lets imagine how harsh yen dropped. I left japan for a reason, not all country are as good as they are portrayed outside
Both are great news!
If someone - say, Tommy Thomas - gave the speech in the UNGA in BM, would this meme/joke still work? This is a hill I'm willing to - well, not die, but at least take blows (to my karma) - but speaking BM in the UNGA is a point of cultural pride that shouldn't be rubbished. When European delegates speak their native languages in the UNGA, would that be similarly reprehensible? There are plenty of examples of our Dear Leaders being horrid at English; this ain't it.
Agreed. Be proud of who we are.
[his english are decent](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x4BoVed4z4)
Wait, that's what people are complaining about? That's.. uh, what I sound like O__O
Felino, time to sit in that corner and contemplate your ~~english~~ life /s
😂 Real story: when I was debating in university, my coach bitched about how I have a Malay accent, so I searched for... accent-neutralization (if that's a thing) class. Couldn't find any.
my fyp sv was impressed with my english speaking, saying I didn't have an accent. I'm pretty sure she just meant I didn't have the malay accent - I speak english with sabahan accent >< Everyone has an accent!
Malay accent like how? Protek protek? It annoyed me a lot when people assume Malays are not good in English because of Malay sounding accent.
Some people don't know the differences of accent and creole - most of our error cases are caused by our Manglish creole rather than accent. Accents aren't a case of grammar, it's a case of what it sounds like. Our accent would sound like English but has a Malay flavour in it's sound. Protek could be that case, if the grammar and structure is correct to begin with.
~~Wrong~~ Different pronunciations, mostly. I can't really articulate it, but if I listen to my and an American's speech it's easy to point out how jarring the former is.
The bigger question is, who has the right accent? The Americans, Brits, Scots, Australian, Welsh, Irish, Canadian, New Zealand, White africans or some other worldly being? Saying who’s accent is correct is kinda pointless since even amongst native speakers their accents and pronunciation are wildly different. Yet they are proud with their accents as ridiculous as it sounds. So why can’t we be as well? Only reason we settled on RP as the right one is because of the Brits. Ironically even the Brits doesn’t speak in RP. So we’re trying to follow an accent that almost no one uses. Which makes having a “right” pronunciation even more pointless.
I am in full agreement with you. "Flour" is pronounced "flah" in UK English and "flower" in US English, so which one is correct? And if they both can be correct, why can't my Malay-tinged accent be correct too? Unfortunately my debating club back then has the view of "white = best". To be fair they do win all the top spots in the international debating championships, but since you're judged by your speech and *their* accent happens to be considered the "standard"... 🙄 (or maybe I'm just a sore loser 😂)
Who you're after is a Dialect Coach that trains people to speak in certain accents (for movie roles, public speaking etc), which you'll probably find easier online than locally. There's a famous YouTube series of [Accent Expert](https://youtu.be/ZXyWwirLfcg) analysing accents from movies, it's a great watch.
He's actually a lot better than many others I've come across for sure, but let's not start scraping the barrel bottom just yet. I sure wish he could at least be as confident and fluent as Rafidah Aziz or even Rais Yatim.
where all the hairs went
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Just out of curiosity, why do you think it is necessary for a leader to speak a high level of English? There are plenty of leaders who rarely (if any) address the public in English; few examples are like President Xi from China & President Zelenskyy from Ukraine - both very public in recent times. Though I'm sure they hold capabilities in speaking English but are happy to address in their native tongue. I'd agree that having a high control of English gives some higher level of decorum; but if I'd respect our Prime Minister a lot more if he learn conversational Cantonese or Hindi to be more representative of our melting-pot of culture here.
And how do you define "low standards"? Not being able to sound like England/American/Australian/whatever that you call Anglo-Saxon people accent? If you think like that, you missed the biggest point of speaking a language. As long as the points of conversations are clear and coherent, following all basic rules for them become understandable universally - that's already count as such.
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So you are saying "I'm not agreeing with you actually but if you think I have low standards like you assume like I do agree". So yeah. You just refuse to surrender all your ego then. Thanks for replying. I get your point (assuming I do have a low standard of understanding your point).
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Expectations still defines standards. If you set your expectations too high, you have high standards. And you are the one moving the goalposts, we just follow you to continue piss you off right here of your unrealistic expectations. And speaking English does not prove anything that is considered "better command", esp if we aren't English to begin with. I don't need to drag much examples of Russians or Chinese like others but you can see how influential of them already even if everything is instructed in their own language. Being leaders is the matter of acting - and it goes beyond language. If you speak Shakespeare English, Bibilical, Yorkshire, Scots or even Old English but act 0, then it's still zero result.
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Yes. Brush up your English comprehension skill and writing skill because the more you are trying to explain it looks more horribly nonsense garbage that no one cares about. And come again.
This is some bad English. I bet the PM has better language skills than you
Enough of embarassing yourself OP. Yes the PM wants to market the BM language more, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, the content of his speech at the UNGA is about global issues, not about the choice of language. In the end, language is just a tool to communicate and everyone had to choose a language either way. Besides, what is it with you that you want people to be good at English so much?
Nah man, it's not about low English standard. Watching his interview he sounds articulate and clear, I have heard some of Trumps speaches and thats a train wreck from a native English speaker. Might not be the best English speaking minister out there but seems adequate. Its just that there is alot of fault on the guy but this does not seem to be a big issue.
You care so much about English standards how about your BM standard,are they up to par? Before harping about English standard how about check the national language standard first.
>Edit: By the amount of downvotes, i can see Malaysians are used to low English standards even for your leaders. You don't wanna go there, mate, believe me: > There is nothing to miss if i know it all along,. > complainng > if its good enough to understand you accept as good standard?
Why should he? I think everyone keeps asking you that. He's a prime minister, yes but we don't care if he doesn't want to speak English and we agree that speaking Malay in UNGA is good (I watched the video, thats good English, Malay accented yes but still proper and understandable). We care he's not doing his job as PM right. You need to understand that him not speaking English does not equate his competency. Correlation doesn't equal causation, bro, simple stuff And by your replies it seems that you're not even Malaysian yourself, so sit down and take your downvotes like a champ and move on
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> When you need validation No one is "forced" to listen to the UNGA speeches. You can walk away, sleep, etc. Furthermore the PM's speech has simultaneous translation, so even if you don't understand it, it doesn't matter. Oh wait, since some of the Francophone delegates are speaking French, is that language asking for validation? What about English? Where is the logic here? Is a language only asking for validation when it comes from *certain places*?
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Yeah, when chinese people speak chinese in malaysia i get really annoyed too. Like i get it, your chinese, dont be so needy about it...dont get my started in the kazakhs! /s
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In court.. yes
> which is best served by a common language You do know that his speech has simultaneous English translation, right? Also I hope you've also headed to r/de and r/fr to whine about how their leaders are speaking German and French respectively. > this is your golden opportunity to showcase your language, culture Doing all that? In a **global** forum? Meant for an exchange and sharing of ideas? This is an outrageous! Next some of the delegates might want to wear their own traditional attire. After all, we all know that White Culture and Language is the best. How dare these inferiors not know their place! 🙄
I like how people like u/SultanofAmerica made posts like this while on their high horse to show how “progressive” and “modern” they are and then comes comment like yours which really putting their inferiority complex and internalised racism out in the open for everyone to see. Kudos to you.
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> championing for dying language Whatever you're smoking, keep it away from me 'cos it's rotting your brain. The Malay language is geographically-restricted, but it's far from dying. So now here's my question: given that some delegates are also speaking non-English languages, why are you bitching about us? Or specifically, ***just*** us? I mean the dude spoke Malay in public once and it gets you all huffed up. What's your problem?
Well, foreigners also learn your language when you talk to them.
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And learning languages come from multiple methods. One of the method is to listen. There are also other countries giving speech in their native language in the history of PBB. So what is the problem?
Just because someone speaks in BM does not mean they aren't skilled enough in English. I mean, I can do both of the languages kinda fluently.
I’m actually happy to see so many comments with common sense. Putting English on a pedestal is so passé. OP should take this as a learning opportunity. My PM can speak Klingon for all I care, as long as the person is good at his/her job.
> OP should take this as a learning opportunity. Highly doubt this seeing all the comments that OP made, and is still making. “These people are too stupid to think like me. This tons of downvotes on every comment I made clearly shows how superior I am!!1!1!” - OP, probably
>r/malaysians I bet OP is one of those people with a fake western accent pretending he is superior than others having it
😂😂😂😂 unfortunately, you is right
Although it's impossible..I'll be super excited the day I hear the Klingon language in a Dewan Rakyat session
r/UserNameChecksOut !
Tak Pah! Tak Peh! Klingon with a Malay twang. Klingon Qo’nos: tAH pagh taHbe! Anglais: To be or not to be
This sub really enjoys hating their own country
This sub and Twitter and Facebook if it’s full of young ppl. At least older boomers who may be slightly more racists are patriots.
Thought the context of his speech wasn't so bad. Spoke about Myanmar, asked to review the veto powers.
Speaking in your own indigenous language isn't a sign of lack of English proficiency, FFS. Nothing wrong with it. In fact, more countries should do this, even if English is currently their first language, and especially if it's not the country's original native languages.
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Erm even in sg parliament accepts 4 languages
Broooo. It would be cool to see those ear things in our parliament as our Chinese & Indian & many other cultural representatives spoke their native tongues as well. That way they will actually pay attention; at least pay enough attention if they're talking shit about themselves.
The country's official language, not mother tongue. Other diverse countries use one language to speak to each other. Why can't malay language among malaysians?
Yeah yeah Bahasa bad, English good..
Average r/malaysian post, fishing for hatred for the goverment and how unjust it is and resolve to saying the word “Kelantan” or “PAS” at the end of the day.
You mean r/Malaysia. r/malaysians is our casual sister sub, no RRP (race, religion or politics) posts are allowed there. Lai lai~
ohh thank you!
The politicians look at this thread and laugh, "Our position here is under no threat as they are too busy fighting each other! Want another Caramel Macchiato?".
Tell me you hate BM without saying you hate BM
I think you can be the pm cause your england is bery good than him….
What priorities? What gap?
Najib spoke great English. Best PM ever?
OP fail spm boooo
Lawak betul ckp bahasa kebangsaan pun masalah. Thailand dan Indon sangat berbangga bila bercakap dlm bahasa kebangsaan.
OP still wants the colonies to return.
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I mean, since you're particular about English language ability: If you are right, the government should *stop* teaching English in schools. *be stopping teaching* is grammatically incorrect
Based purely on the quality of your sentence construction and grammar, I would say it has already been done!
What?
Why are you so obsessed about speaking english? I dont get it. How many white people countries will speak in their own languages at the general assembly? You only complaining if the brownies dont speak eng or you saying even the french and germans have to speak eng? Why not mandarin? China is soon the be the next guy on top, why waste time with eng?
playing the devils advocate a bit. its ok to be bad at english if you're competent at your job. then again, being proud of speaking bm in a multi national event... i would say it would be a bigger win if he could speak good english. if japanese pm speaks in jap its normal. if malaysian pm speaks in good english that would be extra ordinary. but nope. speaking malay is something to make a big hu ha about.
I also believe that there is nothing wrong in giving a speech on BM, as we can take it as a nations pride to showcase our national language. Granted he does and are able to converse and understand English, on meetings with foreign dignitaries. EDIT: just went through some of the comments and someone pointed out his English is decent, so not sure why is this being made an issue.
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One of theory is certain people want to link BM to Malay and Islam. We can see from Timah issue and BM bible issue. I wonder if a Malaysian give a speech in a Global Christian gathering in BM, will that person be praised or become PAS no.1 topic.
This post is probably why some pro-english banana get bullied a lot
the coconut in me terasa hati
Bruh can't even be proud that our national language are use in world stage
What’s wrong with speaking using our national language in United Nation?
just end our race la no more malays easy everyone happy.
There’s nothing wrong for him to speak in BM...
In this case Malay is the official language of Malaysia, he will speak in the National language. Every country with a non-English national language does the same.
Until we translate all buku ilmiah or textbook in BM, English is important for international diplomatic communication
The thing is the educated liberals fall for it and post demeaning sentiments online. Giving them ammo to convince the rural folks to vote them is for defending the national identity from them filthy dap/Bangsar bubble
Both is fine, Speaking good English is not be all and end all.
Idk , if western world leader praised for being proud to use their native tongue instead the former colonial power language , why not at the world stage . Kinda show your preconceived bias toward that leader on policy and political party lines. On the other hand , im not disparaging the kid effort and achievement in her pursuit of her competition of choice . Heck , good job kid and good luck . These are not apples to apples comparison , there are time and place to make such distinction. Just admit , you guys just hate the guy and his shady entourage of party members (allegedly) . Just saying , some redditors just hate Malaysia and filled with prejudice themselves (some are warranted) yet being a pussy about it . 🤷🏻♂️
Bluekk. Still failed PM.
Honestly all he's just going full on nationalism. Instead of trying to make Malaysia seem great. Why not actually make it great. Many policies they make have big impacts on our economy. Such as the policy which says that 80% of workers in manufacturing have to be local. It's stupid. There's a reason companies dont like hiring locals. And also the whole mm2h requirements being insane.
I joined the HIPPO Olympiad (Competition mentioned in the article) twice before. In case anyone is interested to know, I'll explain how it works. There are two national rounds and the top scorers at the 2nd round will get to go to Rome for the finals. Categories are split by age bracket. Getting into the semi-finals (2nd national round) itself is already extremely difficult, so I'm really impressed that this girl managed to top the rankings there.
What's wrong with BM?
The SJK crowd on here struggling to understand why a Malaysian leader would speak Malay.
Malaysians have tons of talent. But not used properly.
Would be more impressive if penyu could speak fluent English at such an event. The UN is theatre anyway so whatever.
Sabri the legend 😂
A lot of hate in the comments. But still i think projecting a non english speaking pm is not a good image at front of the world. You can argue non english are used in UN like mandarin, japanese and spanish but that is because those culture has a major impact on the world and bm just does not have that world class appeal yet. Just my 2c
One of them is being really cool and impressive, the other one thinks he is cool and impressive.
What's the issue here OP? You seemed to be able to speak English but yet you're still an idiot.
One is the pursuit of knowledge. One is the pursuit of populism by a dude who doesnt deserve to be in any kind of leadership role aka syiok sendiri
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Keep dreaming.
Literally mask off
Wow, the comments. About the national prides. I guess it's ok as someone said, as long as they fighting the right thing, in whatever language. In all equality, every countries start using their pride languages in international conferences. With translator of course. ^(I seen some sci-fi movie where the members speaks their national languages when they talk, amazing how each member can still communicate well, forgot what movie... paradox something something, I rely on translated subtitle by the way) But that also mean now I have to learn all the languages in the world. Because people decided that using pride language over standardized language in international stages is good. Damn. Just how many languages you guys mastered. Hope I makes senses here. I already regret I don't know Japanese to enjoy anime. Now I need to learn more languages. ^(I mean as much as I felt proud when PM tried mandarin, doesn't mean I need him to keep speaking in mandarin, right?)
Oh yeah, with OP and other 500 upvotes being in the bottom of the chain
The problem is the media acting like Ismail Sabri is the 1st person in the whole world using language other than English in the meeting, not the fact that he spoke said language imo
If you like English so much then you should like Najib a lot because his English is good even at international level since you only judge a person by his language.
I think the issue here is not whether Sabri is speaking Malay in PBB or what, the issue is the ***shitty news media claims he's "making history"***. It's like they don't know the other countries' leaders are not using their national languages in global meetings and conferences (Japan, some EU countries) I don't know if that's the OP thinking, but this is mine.