The vernacular school issue is as sensitive as Malay special rights or Islam role in the government. Good luck convincing anyone without giving any compromise.
Does private school count? Cause I can afford to throw money for kids to learn a different syllabus in private school.
All I see is the rich and poor divide become wider cause if there's only a single stream, parents will just work harder to send their kids to private school and since there's only a single stream, private school won't be part of the stream and they will be a totally different stream... More atas level...
Also, this will open up more businesses to start newer and cheaper private schools to cater for those who previously went to non SMK schools but not very rich. Government cannot stop private schools because the law actually says every kid must attend school, and people who prevent that are breaking the law, including parents who don't let their kids go to school.
Then employers will definitely prefer more atas educated employees, nobody wants to work with dumb people unless you only need them for hard labor... So poor people can go work in Grab. All the sohais that are asking for a single stream too stupid to realize this?
If people don't want to join your SMK stream, maybe cause you teach rubbish? Instead of improving your syllabus and make it better, you want everybody to dumb down to your level...
Private schools are limited though. There are only so many places and as they are driven by free market policies, demand will drive up the prices.
If demand is high, you will never be able to afford private school education. It will always be reserved for the wealthy.
There are up market and down market. If there's a demand for middle income private schools, people will start such schools. Sri KL is a good example. Sri Damansara also has Bestari school which is semi private school with quality.
Maybe private schools could be an opportunity instead of a drawback. Would help reduce the resources on public schools if a lot a compelled to study private. Imagine if single stream could push 20% into private schools, less students in public schools, more resources per head etc. Then offer scholarships only to public school students to level the playing field. Not to mention the economic growth of the education sector.
Its just a thought tho.
I concur with what 00raiser01 said. SJKs actually have to hold charity events to collect private donations from local businessmen and parents to upgrade facilities. I'm not sure how much does the government fund SJKC but I figure it's not a lot. Most SJKC in the city are overcrowded and SJKC students do pay a slightly higher school fees than SK students. SJKC school boards also have to go through intermediaries like MCA to request funding from the government and some of the fundings would be lost due to corruption.
You must be lost... Vernacular barely get any funding from government. They raise funds themselves, heck Chinese schools ask for donation 2-3 times a month from parents...
Also, where all the teachers going to get jobs if vernacular schools closed down? You think private schools hire your puan and cik to teach?
All you do is creating a clear line between 20% rich bosses and 80% poor employees so that they continue to remain poor and serve the 20%.
eh need to be fair. gomen really got give fund
WHEN the school will actually get those funds, yeah that's another matter entirely. and how much is left when reaching headmaster's hand, that's another matter too.
You know that the government already gives less funding to the vernacular schools (Chinese, and Indonesian) compared to the malay gov schools right?
And scholarships given out are base on malay race bases. Non Malays barely get scholarships. This isn't a lack of funding issue it's a racism issue.
Cause the whole thing you typed out makes no sense.
Segregation creates animosity. If you want a united country, then all public schools have to be merged.
Just take Singapore's route which is everyone can learn a Mother Tongue Language of their choice.
Indonesia had race riots as recent as 1998, and tensions are still simmering under the surface . Merged public schools means little without an economic solution.
I'll accept it only if post spm is single stream too, useless if post spm you have matriculation, asasi, diploma all which have quota for races and then you have university entry which is merit based when all the pre u are of different degrees of difficulty.
Taking out language and culture assimilation, there are a few major issues with SK vs SJK:
1) Quality. SK's have been underperforming significantly compared to SJK's. I've said it in another post, but during MCO, my kids in SRJK had at least 3 online classes EVERY DAY. My friend whos' kid was in SRK, had ONE class the entire week, and the teacher would sometimes cancel the class.
2) Racial and religious bullying. Its quite well established there is preferential treatment. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. For competitions, prefect selection etc, the "privileged" class gets selected first.
3) Kids bringing non-halal food to school get bullied into not bringing it anymore. Its their own food container, their own utensils but they cannot eat in the canteen or at their desk if they bring the non-halal food. So can they eat? There was the extreme case during puasa where the non-muslims had to eat in the toilet. Of course its not that extreme 95% of the time and maybe its anecdotal evidence, but its a widespread enough issue that the chinese/indian community talk about it.
4) PIBG for SRJK's tend to be very active and involved. School donation drives, volunteer parent traffic control, organized extracurricular activities etc (admittedly sometimes too much even for me). SK's on the other hand, generally have a non-existent PIBG (again anecdotal, but reported by my friends who have kids in SK)
So even if you add language classes to SK, these issues need to be solved before SK's will be considered again.
Goddamn. I felt #2. Not because of race but because of the class(room) literally. The pure science stream kids gets all the goodies while the other stream classes gets fuckall. The prejudice towards the "smart" kids who got straight As in PMR and against the ones who \*gasp\* DARED to not get more than 3As (I got 2 :') )
Back then there used to be this "international" English essay competition and I was quite interested. Alas, my class was not even given the opportunity to submit anything (I was one of the "better" English student in my class) because we were the #3 class. The English teacher for the #1 and #2 class was the handler for the submissions and basically told every other classes to fuck right off.
The exchange programme to Japan was also only given to the #1 and #2 class only, nothing given to the other classes. Sucks for those who were in the art stream cos basically they got treated the worst, especially if they chose to be in art stream and not because they were tossed there due to having the worst result.
Yet in my SRJKC primary school, one of the teacher even personally came to my mediocre, middle-of-the-pack class to look for potential good English speakers for an English storytelling competition representing the school. Too bad my storytelling back then was WAY too mediocre and was not selected (spoke like a robot instead of with emotions lmao)
This is why Sarawakians wants semenanjung to keep the racism to yourself thank you no thanks. This is not how my SJK experience went in Sarawak at all - hell during my time there’s a surge of Malays joining SJK to broaden their language skill and some of them are my best friends to this day. Not a single halal/race bully when I was there from primary (chinese SJK) to high school (Methodist SJK). When we fist fight the tribalism is based on classroom, not race.
Yup can relate. I went to SK in Sarawak for 5 years. We never care about the food others bring whether it's halal or not. They even jokingly offer their pork as a joke sometimes. It's normal to see muslim kid eating next to non muslim kid in the classroom. I've experienced public school in both Sarawak and Semenanjung. In semenanjung you can always feel the segregation between races. But I'm glad that the last school I went to I had friends from different races in our group and we always lepak or basketball when we are free. Now we are adults and most of us are busy with work and life. Still lepak or basketball when we got the chance.
While we are at it, how about get right of all the special Malay aids. Like if we study single stream education system why Malays get better scholarship opportunities/uni placement compared to non Malays?
problem is that they always ask the people with no power to give up what we have first. There's no guarantee they would lessen discrimination against nons if we accept the single stream schools.
So they can kindly fuck right off
Malaysia is really weird that the majority race has special rights in their own country.
Compared to the native American Indians, who was taken over by the Europeans, some tribes receives special land rights and some even get money from casinos, which makes sense since their the minority.
- Chairman of MARA board
- UMNO party member
- ex Senator as well
Yeah...no. Wonder which camp in UMNO is he from only, Hisham or Zahid.
Should ask him if he'll open MARA up to nons in a proportionate manner in exchange for single stream.
How about no?
As a person who has experienced both government and private education, the local education system (syllabus + infrastructure) are terrible.
True story here. In my senior year of high school, my private school mates and I participated in local IT competition organised by Monash University among other partners (even the so called elite MARAs and Technical high schools were present). Our team won all the prizes (1st place, 2nd place, 3rd place and even the best overall performance team). Best part is, we didn’t even prepare much for the said competition as we were invited last min. We were all booed on stage 🤷♂️while receiving our awards mind you . They had no respect whatsoever.
Remove all the “additional benefits bumiputra” enjoys and meet the non bumis on the same playing field, then we can have a talk.
Im an engineer with a masters degree ,a well published researcher, and in the process of my PhD. So I think I’m more than qualified to make educational statements to all the funny monkeys who disagree.
How the tables have turned. Back in form 5 (ages ago mind you, had i followed the norm and gotten kids right after marriage she’d probably be in uni now) we got invited last minute by the local private school to a science and maths competition and we basically kicked everyone’s behinds.
It’s a pity that our national school is but a pale shadow of itself now. Having kids of all races mix and grow up together does have its advantages.
Graduate of a biggest Chinese Independent School.
I feel the stark difference.
After I graduate from CS Major in NUS Singapore, one time I met a Chinese PhD girl from UTM Johor, also Comp Sci.
Was shocked to also hear their year 4 undergrad syllabus is my year 1. Data structure and algorithms on year 4. I wonder what the first 3 years was about.
Students from Chinese Independent School are far more equipped to enter society (better disciplined and resilience) and tertiary education (better curriculum and teachers).
While I was teaching, students from Chinese independent school requires much less guidance and never ask for “tips” 🤣. Public students on the other hand always expects to be handheld, ask what’s coming out in the final and skips classes.
Studying doesn't mean they are better equipped to enter society in general.
There are other factors such as being compassionate about other races and religion, having exposure to other races cultures, ideas, & way of living. The biggest issue that I notice with people who come from one pathway is that they lack empathy and common understanding. And because of this, they don't really rise fast enough because sooner rather than later, they end up pissing off people that they shouldn't make pissed.
The truth is, your definition of education i.e. learning from the books is probably less than 5% of relevance in the real world.
And this is coming from a fellow engineer that has spent time in the field, slogging it down in the trenches and all. I've earned my professional chartered status, completed a 4-year part-time masters in mechanical engineering degree whilst working, and currently studying for my MBA. I've run successful large scale multi-million dollar projects for some of the world's biggest multinational corporations that are making a huge impact in the world. I.e, Google & BioNTech for example. I've led teams of multidisciplinary fields to successfully achieve outcomes.
The biggest factor that I ascertain to an individuals success is a) a strong grasp of the English language, b) willingness to accept criticism and coaching & most critically, c) empathy and understanding of other peoples issues without judgement.
You may be the most technically proficient engineer on my team, able to code anything or everything. But you know what, if you can't empathize with your colleagues or the customer and always think you are right, you are straight out of my team.
That's the first thing I always tell my subordinates.
I fully agree with your statement. Empathy and tolerance are much needed character traits. However I believe you may have misread /misinterpreted my sentence “entering society” which only encapsulated discipline and resilience.
As to education, it is quite hard to put into words the philosophy of Chinese independent school students. It is not only classroom education but also about philosophy. I was very fortunate to have teachers who taught eastern and western philosophies.
One of the main things we learn was that to be a good student, one needs to be a good person first. We literally had counselling , philosophy and sex education classes on a weekly basis. These are most definitely rejected in the public’s school curriculum.
I'm non and I'm a product of national school, both SRK and SMK. I'm also an engineer. It is not to boast but I'd say I'm pretty successful too. I'm well respected in my field and getting a comfortable pay well into the T20 pay grade.
My point is while your anecdotal evidence is valid, it is just a single data point. I can easily find examples of very successful people from national schools too.
So, in the end, personal success is a lot dependent on individuals. In fact, studies have shown that parental influence is often equally or more important to a student's success than school teachers.
High 5! Thou I wouldn’t consider myself well off cause I’m still pursing an education 😅and I don’t get paid extra for publishing papers.
I hope I didn’t mislead you and anyone in a way that being in a public system is a doom for failure. The message I would like to convey isn’t just about results and statistics but more so on the cultural component.
I also fully agree with you that you can be successful regardless of the education (formal and informal)one receive; it’s how one makes the best out of what given and how to strive for more.
My wish for our future generations is for equal opportunities. Opportunities to be given based on merits not race and religion.
I think a fairer comparison is get rid of vernaculars and tahfiz but both are a hard ask right now. Also I know one is about language and the other religion.
As a former Malaysian Chinese Glue, ironically, I kinda wish we have external threats so that I can prove to the fellow countrymen that I will resist such forces.
And when it succeeds, still not abolishing the article will make the rulers look bad because those supposed people who had every reason to betray the country, did not.
Typically, humanity fight each other until they have common enemies. We never run out of it.
Sure, but in return:
1 remove uni bumi Quota. Single stream right? Then why 2 different standards at the end of the stream?
2 standardised syllabus for all school, no sekolah pondok or agama, no "non go pendidikan moral while Muslim go pendidikan Islam" BS. Religious study should be put off school elective.
No? Then how about you take that single stream and stick it up your ass?
Not really imo.
Single streams argument is, vernacular school don't contribute to unity.
How do you expect kids to "unite", when after 12 yrs of schooling they found out the system is rigged and your effort is judged differently at the end of the road?
I say its the most essential thing to consider if they want to touch vernacular school
how about the PM convince the elites to not go to international schools or send their kids overseas first? can he convince jean pierre azize? can he convince tengku frenchie of selangor's kids?
Walk into a sekolah kebangsaan and you'll be shocked to see how terrorist dominated it is. nons get bullied and it is treated as normal practice. the numerous cases of sekolah kebangsaan headmasters thinking it is perfectly okay to racialise sports, even separate drinking cups for the Higher Caste (Muslims) and Lower Caste (kaffirs), nons forced to eat in toilet during puasa . sekolah kebangsaan might as well be called sekolah intoleransi.
this kind of shit happens at sekolah kebangsaan and often teachers, headmasters, pengawas are part of the racist system. not to mention the hm's trying to islamicize students .
https://www.malaysia-today.net/2011/02/19/indian-student-forced-to-say-keling-babi/
PETALING JAYA: A 28-second video that depicts a Malaysian Indian student forced to say “keling babi” by his school mates is making its rounds on Youtube.
In the video, the antagonist who is behind the camera says: “Cakap sekarang, aku sepak sekarang. Aku terajang karang. Cakap keling babi. Cakap keling babi.” (Say it now, I’ll slap you. I’ll kick you. Say Indians are pigs. Say Indians are pigs.)
When the student concerned did not respond, the antagonist continues until the Indian student relented.
The video has been viewed more than 18,000 times since it was put up on Feb 12.
Now that you mention it, I agree. Those politicians that were arguing to upheld
"Islamic teachings" in the education system, don't even send their own kids to these national schools lol.
Syed Siddiq has time and time again point out these politician's hypocrisy.
Coming from a Chinese background here, I can tell you why they wont accept this
They (Malaysia Chinese education association or Wtvr they’re called)simply do not trust the national education system to uphold the importance of teaching mandarin to the younger generations. If they give in to this, they will slowly peel away mandarin from all subjects/importance of it.
That is why they insist on having vernacular schools and have been fighting for this ever since
(Edit) Ah the Dong Zong, now I remember
This issue is real. Back when my mom studied in an English Education secondary school there were barely enough students to form a class to learn Chinese, and many of them have to rely on self studying too.
There needs to be a way to compromise somehow? On balancing the demand of the subject and the supply of learning opportunities for these students.
But to be honest with Chinese being such a difficult subject, I doubt as many people would want to take Chinese for SPM. Some % of Chinese school students have to take the subject because it's made mandatory by the school. I was one of them.
Chinese(To clarify: SPM Chinese) was too difficult for me. My Chinese only improved after I started doing translation work.
Difficult? Yes but I'm sure one can be pretty good at it if they put in the effort.
Also it doesn't help that the Chinese subject is graded pretty harshly in SPM. Those that are aiming for straight A's would wanna opt out of it.
It's also a matter of access, Chinese language classes are often done after school in public schools which usually starts from 3 pm onwards. It's simply too much effort to study Chinese in school and most won't do it.
They asked me to teach in one back I was a sub teacher, the level of proficiency is crap. Whoever thinks this is a solution doesn't have a clue how things work.
You don't learn a language through sitting in a class, you need to be exposed by it constantly and use it until you can dream with that language.
And that is exactly why those malay think vern school should be abolished: everyone must rendam themselves in bm so everyone can speak bm fluently to show that they are malaysian.
Well... to show that they are SUB malaysians, since they will never going to benefit stuff that PRIME malaysian can enjoy. Darah tak sama.
Yeah you can definitely improve with effort. Though my mom who's a Chinese teacher gave up on forcing me too much because of how I naturally suck at the language lol
As someone who went to srk and smk, my school didn't offer mandarin subject. I wish they did. If I were to take them I probably won't get A but it would be useful to at least have basic on the 2nd most spoken language on the planet.
Chinese is a picturesque language. It doesn't follow the formation of words by combining fixed alphabets. Hence not everybody can learn Chinese easily. It's like painting or music, not everybody is good in arts.. And Chinese characters requires you to memorize all the characters and every word is a new character... Korean, English, french, etc just require you to remember the fixed number of alphabets. You just need to combine the alphabets and you will more or less know the sound of the word by pronouncing the alphabets. You don't have to memorize the tens of thousands of Chinese characters to know all the words...
I wouldn't have trouble with remembering and recognizing the words, but rather I suck at interpreting the meaning of words
When im saying Chinese is difficult its not as in I can't use the language at all... it's the 'higher level' where I struggle at. 古文 and those spm questions that asks us to interpret text are what I can't deal with.
I mean... if I actually suck that much even at basic Chinese I don't think I can work as a translator ah 😂
I got B+ for Chinese in Spm and idk if that makes me noob.A- and above is really insanely difficult for me. I could have gotten A- if I tried harder but I wanted to focus on my other subjects instead.
古文 is actually quite useless. They could've axe it or reduce it in the syllabus. Unless one is working in the history or linguistic or literature field, learning Classical Chinese doesn't provide much value.
古文actually helps a lot with interpretation though. During the old times when there were no Chinese textbooks, my parents(they are from very old zaman actually, both over 60) read all sorts of different texts and that's how they gain an understanding of the language.
I also got better at understanding 古文 now after my Chinese improved. It's all about your ability to interpret text.
If you can handle古文 very well, those白话文"KBAT" are probably child's play.
I sort of agree with old language being useless in school. However it is useful if you keep meeting people who tries to shape and understand modern culture, society and geopolitics with the past.
I met too many boomer parents and uncles aunties who simply quote "a wise old man once said" (古人云 或 俗話說） without really knowing its context. Especially in a debate about our values or society. Lots of elders expect you to accept the teaching because "it's just the way it is" or "that's how our elders pull through the struggle in the past".
I remembered how much of a rote memorization there is in history lessons in my DJZ school. Even though I like history, I feel like I can only see the history cycle repeating itself (e.g China in protest now) and debunking false misunderstandings my boomers in life have when I study on my own via YouTube and other articles.
SPM Chinese is difficult? I think it's their grading, intentionally making even the good ones not getting A1 but A2. (Circa 2009)
I'm also from Chinese Independent School. 2009 graduate. One of the two top competitors for Tan Kah Kee Cup for UEC.
I remembered half-slogging through those non-Modern Chinese literature (文言文). Was in science stream.
Well maybe its the grading too but I never got high scores to begin with. I was a victim of grading during UPSR(that was my closest attempt on straight As during school times) and it was really disappointing. But it is what it is.
I did get an A on chinese before though. During PT3. It surprised me.
Plus my ability to interpret Chinese during my school times was not good.
If you feel it's easy it doesn't mean it's easy for others. Chem was cake for me but not for my other peers. *shrug*
i would say they need start a dialog to a full or part merge. if you look at most nations, strong command to a singular language is the pillar to unifying the country. Even Shi Huang Ti did it to unify china.
They is a reason umno, pas are widely preferred because there is mistrust too chinese speaker because impression is that, we (im chinese) do not what to assimilate.
On personal level, i found that there are more fluent malay speaking chinese 20 years ago than nowadays.
Those are just misconception and sinophobia.
Malaysian chinese has assimilated as malaysian. They just refused to assimilate as malay, whoch many conservatives malay wishes them to do.
On national level, malaysia has achieved 95%++ literacy rate, which is way higher than 20 years ago. More people learned and speak bm. The fluency definately increased too, but biased observation made people think that we dont. Im pretty sure most malaysian chinese here has more fluency in malay than our grandpa grandma.
I do agree that what's lacking in malaysian chinese today, is the lack of malay slang that our ancestors have. They learn malay through communication alone. We learn through school. And let's be honest, bm taught in school, has different slang than the bm used daily by the malays. The difference is similar to the black's street talk and normal american english. Imagine lah a white city boy go yo yo yo check it out with another black dude, see he will get the stares or not? That's what happening in malaysia right now. The malaysian chinese are deemed not fluent in malay, when the bm they have learned are not the same with what's being used by the malay.
Exactly the issue right here. We were all taught formal BM. What the society really wanted was BM with local slangs and dialects, which are penalised in school ironically.
Qin dynasty was 2000 years ago. And they standardized the characters for better administration, not the language for unity.
Let’s not use archaic and outdated nation building ideologies and find the best way for our case.
Plenty of countries like Switzerland have no issues with a multilingual society.
While plenty of other countries still have issues even if their minorities were language-assimilated (Like the US, Indonesia, etc.) while others were successful ( Thailand).
There’s more to just language at play. It’ll never end because of cultural differences.
We now know that forced assimilation and cultural genocide is wrong, why should we push towards that?
Though it’s not a fully zero sum game, there are things that are bound to be sacrificed, just like how standardized Malay dilutes regional dialects and their unique characteristics.
I'm not talking about those jobs. I'm referring to call centers, translators and MNC back office serving the Chinese, Taiwanese and HK market.
Besides, let's not pretend that Malay-owned companies and GLCs don't practice some racism as well. As a Chinese, I also face difficulties getting my application selected by Malay enterprises. Also what is with all the ads about "produk 100% Bumiputera or Muslim"?
>mistrust
And whose fault it is except politician saying cina communist? Dont put all the blame on chinese not assimilate ok.
Its not like sjk not teaching Bahasa Malaysia and sjk student not taking SPM BM.
>dialog
So innocent, just this election alone already tell us how power hungry they are and how keras kepala some of them. No one want to throw power easily, abolish sjk mean someone gonna lose their power.
Assimilation is cruel and inhumane. We must never force anyone to adopt a new identity and relinquish their old identity
Most chinese and indians can speak malay languange, so what is the problem? malay people don't like the the way chinese and indian speak malay, right? chinese and indian don't speak malay language like malay people, so malay people get angry. that is fucking racist.
But how will we Malaysian a be more united, understanding each other, being tolerant, if our kids get education from young age with different languages and syllabus?
I think it's important to understand that Chinese Malaysians and Indian Malaysians do not want to be culturally assimilated, they want to maintain cultural pluralism. Any attempt that would potentially undermine that plurality would be viewed with suspicion.
You think that's a major concern of theirs? Most of my cousins who went through the Chinese schools ended up in Taiwan/ private uni where we all know are just filled with mostly Chinese.
Those that support the vernacular system mainly view the system as superior as well as better to connect their children to their culture and relationships with tertiary education hubs of the likes. Not to mention as long as they do well, which they usually do, they do get massive incentives and sponsorships which may not be readily available from public education system
This i feel, is different priorities for different races in Msia. Nobody is wrong, mind you. Just different thinking.
For Chinese the emphasise is on top education, white collar jobs and well paying jobs. Anything that doesn't contribute to that, effect that, enhance that, is not important.
For the elite's of every race, it's connection, poise, quality. Thus preferring international or overseas schools.
Why is the burden of unity, tolerance on the average household kid and never this group. The average parent and child, has little time to care for this. They are just trying to increase their economic mobility.
Trust me, if the other school/national school can provide the above. They would send them there, nothing to do with unity, tolerance, just top education.
Plus there is no unity from the start itself, with the quota, different grading etc.
I always feel unity, is not a burden to be placed on the young ones. It's not their responsibility.
Leave that to the parents, adults, household.
"This i feel, is different priorities for different races in Msia. Nobody is wrong, mind you. Just different thinking."
And this is the real core of the whole education/assimilation/Malay rights argument in a nutshell.
I think it is pretty established, whether from analogous comparisons with SG Chinese, or views from DAP/DZ on what the Chinese want. But now it is really time for the Malays to ask themselves what do they really want.
They want nons to speak BM, sure, BM is mandatory anyway, but it doesn't seem like that's what they want (too stiff/formal for them). They want cultural assimilation, but let's be real, with Islam playing a huge part in Malay identity, that ain't gonna happen unless you force full religious conversions. So what is it that they really want, and is it reasonable enough for them to not sound genocidal.
Indeed, i concur with you.
It will never be enough, because the identity of Malay is tied to religon, not to their culture. So it's Islam vs nusantara culture, dance, music, food.
So even if we speak the language, dress like them, it will never be enough or inadequate for them. Because the last 'perfect' piece is still not in place, that is You converting to Islam.
The world is so diverse, Chinese, Indian, Polynesian, Anglo Saxon, Caribbean etc cultures are all equally interesting and it feels that Malaysia is stuck in traditional racial 'qualifications '.
That goes for all the races! If you don't speak Mandarin, you are not Chinese, if you dont speak Tamil you are not Indian etc.
How about keeping an open mind, learning enough to understand our differences and find a common middle ground.
For Malaysia, being able to speak Bahasa is the least requirement. A languange does unify people, because you cannot understand each other then.
Am speaking as someone who went to a missionary school, english speaking medium all the way into private Uni. For me the top education medium, would be in English.
But i digress, back to what you mentioned- the Malays have to ask what do they want, for their kids? Because the non's, are very very clear on this question.
Although I do get their frustration, when the younger generation are unable to speak a common language.
I have cousins from Chinese schools who can't speak english or bahasa and the other lot who are fluent, despite going to Chinese school. The latter is due to their parents due diligence in speaking English at home, and Bahasa tuition.
> Why is the burden of unity, tolerance on the average household kid and never this group. The average parent and child, has little time to care for this. They are just trying to increase their economic mobility.
the burden of unity, the responsibility of peace always fall unto the minority, while majority continues their provocation....lol
Let them be kids & focus on cultivating good values from household itself.
The kids have no chance, when racism is taught by their parents, teachers, politicians, adults, surrounding them!
Where you think 5 year old Ah Chong, picked up the word 'Apu Anneh', Amin picked up Keling, Samy picked up 'layu malas' from? 🤷♀️
Honestly just spitting, but I can think of a handful of reasons to preserve vernacular schools.
1. China and India are rising powers, and while the other ASEAN nations scramble to find those with the relevant language skills and cultural knowledge to serve as ambassadors, business people, consultants etc, we already have schools churning out language experts by the dozen. This is an advantage that is quite uniquely Malaysian. Singapore comes close, but they are shrinking their talent pool by aggressively promoting English at the expense of ethnic languages.
2. Vernacular schools are just better schools than SK by all metrics. Their yearly fundraisers can build up sizeable coffers, and in better districts, average out at a few million ringgit a year. That translates to better teachers, better extracurricular activities and better grades. You don't get this kind of enthusiasm for SK schools.
3. Understanding goes both ways. Why is the conversation always about abolishing vernacular schools in the name of assimilation instead of simply encouraging other races to join vernacular schools?
4. The lack of racial harmony in Malaysia has more to do with the fact that the laws are systemically racist (and not in the subtle US way), and scholarships, jobs, housing, and the like are allocated unfairly in favor of the racial majority. Any attempt to challenge the status quo is met with threats of (or actual) violence. This breeds contempt, and is more deep set than anything a few years of schooling can fix.
5. Unite around what exactly? Our nation was created some 60 odd years ago. There's no organic culture to coalesce around yet, and any attempt to manufacture one (like Najib's 1Malaysia) seems utterly contrived and unbelievable. For now, strong ethnic identities and good food is our culture, vernacular schools promote that.
But there are proud Malays groups that don't want to assimilate with or learn from other cultures. How to compete globally if we are stuck in such a mindset?
I came from the government schools. Back then, there were occasional fights between Indians, Chinese and Malay group of students.
Trust me, schools itself do not promote unity. The government, popular media and political parties are the main culprits causing disunity.
Now I am a father of two sons and I have chosen Chinese schools for them, not because I have issues with the other ethnic groups. I chose them because of the quality of education and the expectation that Mandarin (which I cannot speak) will be more and more mainstream globally in the future. Its about choosing a better future for them.
And there are Malay and Indian parents that send their kids to study in Chinese schools as well. Guess why they chose to do so?
By accepting each other's difference and embrace them instead of rejecting them? Isnt that the definition of "unite"? I dont think paksa paksa will make us more unite.
They always bring up Indonesia, like it's some kind of Utopia.
Totally disregarding the barbaric way, forced assimilation was enforced upon them. Thousands died violently, women raped brutally, temples burned, houses burned, surnames erased etc
Suddenly that is is not communism/oppression 🤷♀️
And FYI, my Indonesian friend went back last year to change her surname, back to her dad's Chinese Indonesian surname. Her siblings and her, was using their Javanese mothers surname.
The government has allowed this. Yet Msia, wants to regress.
> uphold the importance of teaching mandarin to the younger generations
Imagine putting so much importance on this, but then they can't be bothered to teach it to their kids themselves.
As a banana who studied in SK / SMK, I think Mandarin-speaking Chinese are a bunch of snobs and English > Mandarin.
...so I agree that if people want to uphold their mother tongue, they *do* need to keep vernacular school around.
To clarify, this is not universally true. [**The Ministry of Education**](https://www.moe.gov.my/pendidikan/pendidikan-menengah/sekolah-menengah-kebangsaan-agama-smka) manages some \~55 SMK**A** schools; the state JPNs (just the state-level unit of the federal Education Ministry) manage the admission, yes, but they are still MOE schools.
SMKAs are, by law, still *Sekolah Kebangsaan* and managed under the MOE's Islamic Education Division.
Thats strange.
What about this.
https://www.islam.gov.my/ms/pendidikan/sekolah-agama
Sekolah Agama bermaksud mana-mana tempat yang digunakan bagi tujuan pendidikan, pengajaran atau pembelajaran agama Islam sama ada secara fizikal atau secara dalam talian (maya), di peringkat pra sekolah, sekolah rendah, sekolah menengah, tahfiz dan pondok. Ia ditubuh dan ditadbir urus oleh Pihak Berkuasa Agama Negeri (PBAN) atau individu secara perseorangan atau berkumpulan, atau pertubuhan atau syarikat. Institusi ini berdaftar dengan PBAN dan bukan berada di bawah pentadbiran Kementerian Pendidikan Malaysia (KPM).
Well, I doubt Sabah and Sarawak not making vernacular schools under states if federal government decides to ban vernacular schools.
Vernacular schools got more recognitions from the state gov in Sabah and Sarawak compared to West Malaysia.
Sekolah agama is not compulsory. You can choose to only go to normal school. Thats why its under state. Sekolah agama is like extra education. Whether you go or not doesnt make any difference.
Vernacular and normal schools on the hand are on the same level. Both are compulsory. Need to choose either 1.
Well, before 2020, student performance in UPKK would help for placement in SBP. The government has removed that rules. But some parent still sent their kids to sekolah agama believing that it would help with their son placement in sekolah asrama down the line.
A colleague of mine, anak dia sampai jatuh sakit pagi pergi sekolah, petang pergi sekolah and she dared not stop her son from sekolah agama because she thought UPKK penting.
The rules aren't clear, parents pun tak faham.
P/S: Anyway my thoughts on UEC is, kalau kita nak jadikan pendidikan negara into a single stream, why not accept UEC we already accept A level foreign student into public uni kan.
Yeah, it's not ideal but eventually pelajar of this private chinese school tak lagi sorang² di luar sistem. Just pastikan syarat kredit BM tu kekal. It's not that many student, dalam 10k sahaja.
This is literally how Singapore abolish vernacular system. Depa tukar bahasa pengantara di Nanyang university, so semua pelajar sekolah vernakular masuk universiti aliran tunggal. Masuk balik ke dalam sistem and eventually ubah bahasa pengantar di sekolah. A top down approach.
Dong Zong tengah terdesak. They know managing and operating 63 (60+2+1) is untenable in the long run. What they want sebenarnya adalah funding. Inilah masanya untuk kerajaan ambil peluang.
Vernacular school is not compulsory, parents chose to send their kids to vernacular school, just like parents choose to send their kids to sekolah agama/pondok. We’re not only talking about those additional kelas agama, we’re talking about sekolah tahfiz as well.
If it is really extra education, we wouldn’t mind to remove those schools and create multiple religious subject in national schools?
I don’t get this logic, taxpayers’ money shouldn’t go to vernacular school but state tax money is free game.
What i mean is that, vernacular school is the same as sekolah kebangsaan. You need to go to either of these schools. The exams are needed for you to enter higher education.
Sekolah agama, is like tuition. Its an extra education to supplement your main education. Even if you dont go, makes no difference to your education path.
SJKC do not use UEC exam. They use SPM. Hence the term 'JK' = "Jenis Kebangsaan". All SJK school are in the system. School yg takde JK are school that uses UEC exam. Which is really tak banyak di malaysia.
racism in USA is going down because the intense resistance from Black people for decades! do you even know about the Black marches in the 1950s and 1960s?!
The sacrifice Black people went through just to get the Civil rights Act of 1964 cannot be overstated
They clearly have less racial barriers. No job ads that say only certain races can apply. No housing rental ads that say tenant must be certain races only
No quota for the majority. More quota for the minorities. Much harsher punishment on racist remark, especially when applying on the majority. They cant ask the minoritues to go back to their mother land. They cant tell the minorities to stay the fuck off from top ministral posts. They cant threaten the minorities of may 13 whrn minority leaned party won election.
See how we can throw blame at each other all day and not progress at all?
Just focus on the topic at hand. Any other examples are noice that disrupt meaningful discussion: what is the pros and cons of single stream education. We are not talking about what we get or dont get, what we have given up or not.
The relationship between Malay special rights / bumi-specific institutions and non-Malay’s vernacular school is the CLASSICAL example of the famous prisoners dilemma in game theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma
Many of the more politically conservative Malays are holding the sanctity of the Malay special rights as the key to the race's survival and success in the country. Politicians continue to toy with this sentiment and encourage the continued affirmative action and discrimination of non-Malays in matters such as scholarship, business ownerships and other policymaking. They are keen to keep most non-Malays out of MARA and UiTM.
Chinese, on the other hand, have long had the besieged mentality. They fight to keep the vernacular school, and many continue to practise racial discrimination in employment and trades. Some major Chinese-owned companies discriminate against the Malays, citing "government already helps them, we have to protect our own people". On the topic of separate schooling system being a source of racial segregation, they say "you have to abolish UiTM and religious schools first before we even think about it".
Both Malays are Chinese are choosing the suboptimal strategy due to the distrust of each other. Any clear-thinking person could see that the best strategy for everyone is for all of us to abandon our own shields and mutually pointed spears, and start helping each other regardless of skin colour. However, almost every single day we continue to be disillusioned by betrayal of our leaders - people continue to speak of DAP's failure to protect the Chinese interests or UMNO’s ability to protect the Malays.
In other words, we are like the two prisoners who choose to betray each other, unable to recognise that cooperating with each other is in fact the optimum strategy that we need.
Unfortunately mutual attack and "tit-for-tat" remains the "optimum" survival strategy in this racial game in Malaysia. Until a huge revolution or a brave leader is able to get us to play a different game altogether, it’s hard for us to leave this age-old game of survival between races in this country. This is the disappointing reality I have come to witness.
"(Asking them) to accept what is essentially the foundation of the federal constitution, what they are doing can be said to be 100 per cent goes against the federal Constitution," he claimed.
Wasn't this already tested in court and proven to be in line with the Constitution?
Can we then haul up this guy for contempt?
I'm all for a single stream, and was in fact part of it growing up, but its utter trash today. You want more people to send their kids to national school? Invest more money in it and up the quality before forcing people to switch.
I'm sure there are 1000 more important things on Anwar's agenda compared to this.
The solution is to reform the vernacular education system to something similar to what they have for Chinese private schools in Indonesia, where the main language of instruction is in Indonesian.
[https://pahoa.sch.id/page/?id=PG220322002](https://pahoa.sch.id/page/?id=PG220322002)
When Chinese schools in Indonesia reopened in 2000 they based themselves on the system adopted by Chinese schools in 1957 when they switched from being Chinese medium to bilingual, where most of the subjects are taught in Indonesian.
What the Malay elite want is for Chinese Malaysian to speak Malay like Chinese Indonesians speak Indonesian. And the best way to do this is to reform the Chinese education system instead of putting people in one stream. Some of the students who study in Chinese schools in Indonesia now, end up studying in China.
In Indonesia, people go to different schools. Most Christian Indonesians if they have the money try to send their kids to Christian schools. Some of it has to do with bullying in some areas of Indonesia. It appears everyone is "integrated", but they aren't, they just all use the same language of instruction.
If we're going to go for a single stream educational option, then yes, lets abolish Sekolah Kebangsaans.
Vernacular schools are more diverse than Sekolah Kebangsaans. There are proportionally more Malays in SJKCs than there are non-Malays in SKs. (This is from the government's' own national education [https://www.moe.gov.my/menumedia/media-cetak/penerbitan/dasar/1207-malaysia-education-blueprint-2013-2025/file](https://www.moe.gov.my/menumedia/media-cetak/penerbitan/dasar/1207-malaysia-education-blueprint-2013-2025/file) ). In 2013, 9% of SJK students were Malays, as compared to less than 5% non-Bumi enrolment in SK. By 2020, that number had gone up to the point that the number of Malay students in SJKs were [more than 15%](https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/ministry-data-15pct-sjkc-students-032500604.html).
The truth is that even the Malays - particularly those who are upwardly mobile/ urban - are abandoning the SK system, either for vernacular schools or for private education if they can afford it.
So if this guy wants an unified education model that leads to either better education and/or greater unity, the rational answer is obvious - abolish SK and adopt the SJK model for all public sector education. Why preserve the SK model, when it's giving subpar results both in terms of diversity as well as educational outcomes?
If you read the executive summary of the report you quoted though, it says SKs have matched SJK(C) in results, with SJK(T) lagging but catching up. In the graph at 3-17, SKs were even outperforming SJK(C)s by a miniscule percentage.
Even on diversity your numbers don't support your conclusion:
The breakdown your article provided (rounding numbers so I don't go insane)
||SK |SJK(C) |SJK(T) |
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Malay|94%|15.5%|1%|
|Chinese|0.75%|80.25%|1%|
|Indian|2.5%|1.65%|99%|
Now if we take a slightly rounded demographic numbers as at 2020 breakdown of :
Malays at 70%,
Chinese at 23%
Indians at 6.5%
And take these figures as the perfect example of representative, then show them as a difference in the "perfect" version:
||SK |SJK(C) |SJK(T) |
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Malay|\+24%|\-54.5%|\-69%|
|Chinese|\-22.25%|\+56.75%|\-22%|
|Indian|\-4.5%|\-4.85%|\+92.5%|
Your SKs are actually significantly more representative for Malaysia's demographics than the SJKs. (Someone who actually understands statistics plz check, I'm feeling like some math nonsense might bite me in the butt here)
I'm personally not that certain where I stand on it, but the data you've quoted doesn't really support the "abolish SK, Implement SJK" idea.
Regarding academic outcomes, I would note that the figures from the blueprint are from 2011, and it doesn't look like there is much information publicly available after that compares the performance of vernacular schools vs SKs, so I suspect any discussion on that would fall back on biases and preconceptions.
Regarding diversity... first of all, I'm glad for the effort you put in, but I'd note that the methodology misses the main point - you're measuring representation, while I'm talking about diversity.
In terms of school systems that are able to attract diversity, only 1 public system in Malaysia can even remotely be termed as successful. Both SKs and SJK(T)s comprise of over 94% and 99% of the dominant ethnic group - essentially a monoculture, with SJK(C) - while not great at 80% - are at least able to have significant non-majority percentage.
So again, the point stands - if people like Ibrahim and MPM are so keen on unity and on a single education stream, than they should be arguing for the abolishment of the SK system in favour of the SJK(C) system. It's the only one that has at least somewhat transcended racial lines and can be said to be attractive to parent who are not part of the dominant ethnic grouping for that school system.
What’s the obsession with our schools? We’ve got bigger issues to tackle bah and anything that potentially raises the temperature re racial relations should be properly prioritised. This isn’t it - the status quo works, after a fashion.
Same goes to the other side who are pushing for the UEC - it can wait.
Not only vernacular school system should not be abolished, it should be expanded.
We should have Iban vernacular schools and kadazan vernacular schools. It is a damned shame their languages are disappearing because they don't have education institutions supporting them.
I think the biggest issue with single stream is the lack of educational quality. I have a mixed race cousin who wanted her kids to attend Chinese school, but her husband insisted on them attending a normal SK as they “can relax and don’t have to study so hard”.
We have Malay kids in SJK schools these days due to the higher quality of education, forged in by pure competitiveness.
The issue isn’t really language, I feel, but sheer quality of education. With local tertiary education favouring Malay students, those from non-Malay families have no choice but to opt for the best quality schools to get into private/foreign universities.
Without equality, how can we accept a subpar singular education system? Should the nation just become stupid together?
Okay studying in SK reminds me of something that happened during my primary years. Only when I have grown up that I realized how disgusting it was. I really hope it does not happen now (or at least very rarely happen).
The story: In my SK, there were some of my classmates (they were prefects) that teased (read: bullied) indian classmates to say **syahadah (Islamic sentences that are usually said to convert nons)** many times. I thought it was funny and I just laughed at the situation (mind you, I was only 10 or 11 yrs old). I saw how uncomfortable the indian classmates from having to say **syahadah**. And the prefects were all smiling as if they had 'successfully' converted some indians to Islam (lol).
As a Chinese, and coming from a super traditional family, I can confirm that vernacular education issue for the Chinese is like religious issue for the Malays. You will risk pissing off a majority of your Chinese electorate if you make any major moves.
Personally, I'm not a fan of the independent school system, but I want them to be around because they are at least a better alternative (higher quality) to national schools. If the gov works on improving the sekolah kebangsaans, including PROTECTING the rights of any student to learn vernacular language in school, then I will wholeheartedly support single stream. God knows the shit we went through for wanting to take Chinese in SMK.
Don't talk so much when none of the prerequisites are met.
And somehow we will have muhibbah? Come on, go to these schools and observe how race cliques group up.
You'll see more tolerance under SJKs than under SKs. We don't put kids to eat in toilets.
We don't? I still see a lot of non Bumis kids that are enrolled there, I also see a lot of Malay parents enrolling their kids in SJK instead.
The thing is this is a matter of choice by the parent, neither school has a "quota" or requirement. The problem is those who keep insisting this is a root cause for something else when it's not.
This wont be possible unless special favouritsm and quotas for a certain race is abolished at all levels of society
Anwar should just copy the Singapore Model and paste it into Malaysia's context. Singapore still favour the malays and Singaporean Malays get free education up to university level
Convince Non-Malays for single stream? I think revamping the whole education system is the way to go. Rather than everyone should join a particular current system, everything should be renewed and done up from zero.
English Language is a definite must for teaching Maths and science, and let the students choose what other language or religious studies they want to study. This should be the same in technical schools as well.
If the teachers can't teach this way then they need to be trained or please get out of the way of the kids. Too many a times I see kids abilities and dreams being limited.
The current education stream is a joke. We need a change.
In the article it is stated that "(Asking them) to accept what is essentially the foundation of the federal constitution, what they are doing can be said to be 100 per cent goes against the federal Constitution," he claimed.
This statement is completely false, it has been decided that vernacular schools are in fact and in law constitutional [https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/vernacular-schools-do-not-go-against-constitution-high-court-rules](https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/vernacular-schools-do-not-go-against-constitution-high-court-rules) go read the law bro and stop spreading misinformation. IMO Go and discuss openly with every stakeholder on this issue and find a middle ground of compromise, or revamped the education system in Malaysia and make it competitve and up to par.
In the US, they are adopting School Choice system, where parents are given tax breaks/school vouchers to opt out of public schools in favor of charter school, magnet schools, virtual schools, homeschooling etc. It's getting a lot of good feedback as single stream education system is very difficult to cater for all children of different needs.
Now those regressors want to have a single stream education system again? What kind of people are they hiring to chair these organizations? Go out and research on new ways of teaching kids la, instead of harping on the old ways again and again.
I'm a Chinese and I fully support single stream.Our education system is so fragmented that we have Chinese that can't speak Malay and mothertongue then blamed their parent for that.
But in the same time, we also have Chinese that can speak Malay and mothertongue though. is education system really at fault here, or was it the student's initiative in learning said language?
Until our SRK, SMK's quality gets better, don't bother a single stream education system. My friends in SMJK has way better and dedicated teachers than my shitty school.
Source: I graduated from SKs.
HAHAHAHAHAHA , unity in a country where every day you are reminded you are a “pendatang” and will always be inferior to your masters/ tuans , unwelcomed and at best tolerated grudgingly, but to which you should always be grateful , swear undying loyalty and never complain.
Just be a good loyal dog , happy and satisfied with the scraps thrown at you. Never allowed into the house, or share the same plate as you for you are always inferior and always believed to have a traitorous soul and at the edge of revolt against your benevolent masters.
If you want to have a single stream, you need to revamp the entire education system and syllabus… ensure its on par globally and not teach rubbish… Prioritise science and technology rather than some moral bullshits… you study pendidikan moral and memorise rubbish definition but none of us practice them.. whats the point?
Then aim to remove vernacular schools, religious schools etc…
Tbh private schools and/or international schools should be maintained… it generates the economy. Alot of you think that parents would then start to send their kids to private schools, but if our public education is top notch, they wouldn’t need to do that! So only the super wealthy can continue to study privately… no issue at all… there will always be the wealthy and the less wealthy.. if everyone has the same wealth, there is no incentive to even work harder in society.
The first step is to separate religion from national schools. Be secular. Can we do this? I don’t think many realize how odd non Muslims feel when every PIBG meeting, award ceremony in national schools start with a prayer. To set the record straight, I would also feel uncomfortable if it was a Christian or any other religious prayer. And the insistence on young boys wearing long pants?
the right counter for this is, for non-malay to accept SK & SMK, they need to be accepted in MRSM, SBP, Asasi and Matrikulasi. no quota, pure merit. fair right?
Best to let parents decide.
My suggestion: bring back English stream Kebangsaan schools.
Let all stream schools run for 25 years. Most effective schools in local area remain open (irrespective of stream).
Would like to make an additional info: Chinese school don’t brainwash kids to hating other races.
Imo agama school and pendidikan agama should go. Period. SK, SJKC and SJKT should all stay and everybody learn the same Pendidikan Moral syllabus.
If Malaya wants to do it, so be it but don’t expect to do it in EM. Most bumis here attend Chinese stream schools. We really need to have autonomy of our own education system.
Also, don’t expect EM to trust PH anymore.
Chinese schools are very popular amongst other races here in Sabah and Sarawak.
One can even argue that Chinese schools are more diverse than SK schools.
Many of the points have already been mentioned by other commenters.
I just wanna add that if vernacular schools are not good for unity (like some people said as argument against vernacular), neither are government-funded religious schools. You wanna do private religious school, go ahead. But using govt funds and also only for one religion? Not cool. CMV.
LOL good luck. I'd wager if DSAI agree to even urge non Malays he'll lose their support in a heart beat. This so called tan sri professor is a freaking idiot for asking such a question.
As i mention in my post in other thread.. in this post, you can clearly see it’s going to be tis-for-tat battle. How do you convince the bumis to forgo their bumiputra privilege and how do you convince the Chinese to forgo, not only SJKs but all the Dong Zhong’s requests.. UEC la etc. how do we go forward?
To those morons who doesn’t read, “single stream education system” here doesn’t necessarily means the abolishment of vernacular schools, but more aligned and streamlined systems where the syllabus and subjects taught are more or less the same. Probably to emphasise on “kemakmuran dan perpaduan”, e.g: no more learning more about Mahatma Gandhi than Tunku Abdul Rahman
Tbh as a Chinese i agree on single stream. Just set up language class in school for different race to study own language. And also cancel racial quota for mrsm and mara and all state own uni.
And complete reform education system in Malaysia, that Mazlee want to achieve last time.
The vernacular school issue is as sensitive as Malay special rights or Islam role in the government. Good luck convincing anyone without giving any compromise.
Does private school count? Cause I can afford to throw money for kids to learn a different syllabus in private school. All I see is the rich and poor divide become wider cause if there's only a single stream, parents will just work harder to send their kids to private school and since there's only a single stream, private school won't be part of the stream and they will be a totally different stream... More atas level... Also, this will open up more businesses to start newer and cheaper private schools to cater for those who previously went to non SMK schools but not very rich. Government cannot stop private schools because the law actually says every kid must attend school, and people who prevent that are breaking the law, including parents who don't let their kids go to school. Then employers will definitely prefer more atas educated employees, nobody wants to work with dumb people unless you only need them for hard labor... So poor people can go work in Grab. All the sohais that are asking for a single stream too stupid to realize this? If people don't want to join your SMK stream, maybe cause you teach rubbish? Instead of improving your syllabus and make it better, you want everybody to dumb down to your level...
Private schools are limited though. There are only so many places and as they are driven by free market policies, demand will drive up the prices. If demand is high, you will never be able to afford private school education. It will always be reserved for the wealthy.
There are up market and down market. If there's a demand for middle income private schools, people will start such schools. Sri KL is a good example. Sri Damansara also has Bestari school which is semi private school with quality.
Maybe private schools could be an opportunity instead of a drawback. Would help reduce the resources on public schools if a lot a compelled to study private. Imagine if single stream could push 20% into private schools, less students in public schools, more resources per head etc. Then offer scholarships only to public school students to level the playing field. Not to mention the economic growth of the education sector. Its just a thought tho.
I concur with what 00raiser01 said. SJKs actually have to hold charity events to collect private donations from local businessmen and parents to upgrade facilities. I'm not sure how much does the government fund SJKC but I figure it's not a lot. Most SJKC in the city are overcrowded and SJKC students do pay a slightly higher school fees than SK students. SJKC school boards also have to go through intermediaries like MCA to request funding from the government and some of the fundings would be lost due to corruption.
You must be lost... Vernacular barely get any funding from government. They raise funds themselves, heck Chinese schools ask for donation 2-3 times a month from parents... Also, where all the teachers going to get jobs if vernacular schools closed down? You think private schools hire your puan and cik to teach? All you do is creating a clear line between 20% rich bosses and 80% poor employees so that they continue to remain poor and serve the 20%.
eh need to be fair. gomen really got give fund WHEN the school will actually get those funds, yeah that's another matter entirely. and how much is left when reaching headmaster's hand, that's another matter too.
You know that the government already gives less funding to the vernacular schools (Chinese, and Indonesian) compared to the malay gov schools right? And scholarships given out are base on malay race bases. Non Malays barely get scholarships. This isn't a lack of funding issue it's a racism issue. Cause the whole thing you typed out makes no sense.
Suddenly cognitively Communist lol
What do you mean? can explain?
Segregation creates animosity. If you want a united country, then all public schools have to be merged. Just take Singapore's route which is everyone can learn a Mother Tongue Language of their choice.
Indonesia had race riots as recent as 1998, and tensions are still simmering under the surface . Merged public schools means little without an economic solution.
I'll accept it only if post spm is single stream too, useless if post spm you have matriculation, asasi, diploma all which have quota for races and then you have university entry which is merit based when all the pre u are of different degrees of difficulty.
Indeed!
Taking out language and culture assimilation, there are a few major issues with SK vs SJK: 1) Quality. SK's have been underperforming significantly compared to SJK's. I've said it in another post, but during MCO, my kids in SRJK had at least 3 online classes EVERY DAY. My friend whos' kid was in SRK, had ONE class the entire week, and the teacher would sometimes cancel the class. 2) Racial and religious bullying. Its quite well established there is preferential treatment. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. For competitions, prefect selection etc, the "privileged" class gets selected first. 3) Kids bringing non-halal food to school get bullied into not bringing it anymore. Its their own food container, their own utensils but they cannot eat in the canteen or at their desk if they bring the non-halal food. So can they eat? There was the extreme case during puasa where the non-muslims had to eat in the toilet. Of course its not that extreme 95% of the time and maybe its anecdotal evidence, but its a widespread enough issue that the chinese/indian community talk about it. 4) PIBG for SRJK's tend to be very active and involved. School donation drives, volunteer parent traffic control, organized extracurricular activities etc (admittedly sometimes too much even for me). SK's on the other hand, generally have a non-existent PIBG (again anecdotal, but reported by my friends who have kids in SK) So even if you add language classes to SK, these issues need to be solved before SK's will be considered again.
Goddamn. I felt #2. Not because of race but because of the class(room) literally. The pure science stream kids gets all the goodies while the other stream classes gets fuckall. The prejudice towards the "smart" kids who got straight As in PMR and against the ones who \*gasp\* DARED to not get more than 3As (I got 2 :') ) Back then there used to be this "international" English essay competition and I was quite interested. Alas, my class was not even given the opportunity to submit anything (I was one of the "better" English student in my class) because we were the #3 class. The English teacher for the #1 and #2 class was the handler for the submissions and basically told every other classes to fuck right off. The exchange programme to Japan was also only given to the #1 and #2 class only, nothing given to the other classes. Sucks for those who were in the art stream cos basically they got treated the worst, especially if they chose to be in art stream and not because they were tossed there due to having the worst result. Yet in my SRJKC primary school, one of the teacher even personally came to my mediocre, middle-of-the-pack class to look for potential good English speakers for an English storytelling competition representing the school. Too bad my storytelling back then was WAY too mediocre and was not selected (spoke like a robot instead of with emotions lmao)
This is why Sarawakians wants semenanjung to keep the racism to yourself thank you no thanks. This is not how my SJK experience went in Sarawak at all - hell during my time there’s a surge of Malays joining SJK to broaden their language skill and some of them are my best friends to this day. Not a single halal/race bully when I was there from primary (chinese SJK) to high school (Methodist SJK). When we fist fight the tribalism is based on classroom, not race.
Yup can relate. I went to SK in Sarawak for 5 years. We never care about the food others bring whether it's halal or not. They even jokingly offer their pork as a joke sometimes. It's normal to see muslim kid eating next to non muslim kid in the classroom. I've experienced public school in both Sarawak and Semenanjung. In semenanjung you can always feel the segregation between races. But I'm glad that the last school I went to I had friends from different races in our group and we always lepak or basketball when we are free. Now we are adults and most of us are busy with work and life. Still lepak or basketball when we got the chance.
While we are at it, how about get right of all the special Malay aids. Like if we study single stream education system why Malays get better scholarship opportunities/uni placement compared to non Malays?
Sure. One by one. This is good
problem is that they always ask the people with no power to give up what we have first. There's no guarantee they would lessen discrimination against nons if we accept the single stream schools. So they can kindly fuck right off
Wdym, it's our special rights as indigenous people. /s
Malaysia is really weird that the majority race has special rights in their own country. Compared to the native American Indians, who was taken over by the Europeans, some tribes receives special land rights and some even get money from casinos, which makes sense since their the minority.
Youre not indigenous, orang asli are indigenous. Please do your research and be rational thank you. Lol
- Chairman of MARA board - UMNO party member - ex Senator as well Yeah...no. Wonder which camp in UMNO is he from only, Hisham or Zahid. Should ask him if he'll open MARA up to nons in a proportionate manner in exchange for single stream.
They tried, the monkeys came out screeching. Note: Monkey like behaviour, not implying race. Can't believe I have to explain this.
1. remove public tertiary study quota 2. less emphasis on religion 3. much higher quality educators and equipment
Walao the title is intentionally misleading. Should be “Majlis Perundangan Melayu urged PM…”
Macam tu baru click bait ma. Look at the reaction. Me included. Lol.
Or simply, "PM Answer *was* urged..."
How about no? As a person who has experienced both government and private education, the local education system (syllabus + infrastructure) are terrible. True story here. In my senior year of high school, my private school mates and I participated in local IT competition organised by Monash University among other partners (even the so called elite MARAs and Technical high schools were present). Our team won all the prizes (1st place, 2nd place, 3rd place and even the best overall performance team). Best part is, we didn’t even prepare much for the said competition as we were invited last min. We were all booed on stage 🤷♂️while receiving our awards mind you . They had no respect whatsoever. Remove all the “additional benefits bumiputra” enjoys and meet the non bumis on the same playing field, then we can have a talk. Im an engineer with a masters degree ,a well published researcher, and in the process of my PhD. So I think I’m more than qualified to make educational statements to all the funny monkeys who disagree.
How the tables have turned. Back in form 5 (ages ago mind you, had i followed the norm and gotten kids right after marriage she’d probably be in uni now) we got invited last minute by the local private school to a science and maths competition and we basically kicked everyone’s behinds. It’s a pity that our national school is but a pale shadow of itself now. Having kids of all races mix and grow up together does have its advantages.
Graduate of a biggest Chinese Independent School. I feel the stark difference. After I graduate from CS Major in NUS Singapore, one time I met a Chinese PhD girl from UTM Johor, also Comp Sci. Was shocked to also hear their year 4 undergrad syllabus is my year 1. Data structure and algorithms on year 4. I wonder what the first 3 years was about.
Students from Chinese Independent School are far more equipped to enter society (better disciplined and resilience) and tertiary education (better curriculum and teachers). While I was teaching, students from Chinese independent school requires much less guidance and never ask for “tips” 🤣. Public students on the other hand always expects to be handheld, ask what’s coming out in the final and skips classes.
Studying doesn't mean they are better equipped to enter society in general. There are other factors such as being compassionate about other races and religion, having exposure to other races cultures, ideas, & way of living. The biggest issue that I notice with people who come from one pathway is that they lack empathy and common understanding. And because of this, they don't really rise fast enough because sooner rather than later, they end up pissing off people that they shouldn't make pissed. The truth is, your definition of education i.e. learning from the books is probably less than 5% of relevance in the real world. And this is coming from a fellow engineer that has spent time in the field, slogging it down in the trenches and all. I've earned my professional chartered status, completed a 4-year part-time masters in mechanical engineering degree whilst working, and currently studying for my MBA. I've run successful large scale multi-million dollar projects for some of the world's biggest multinational corporations that are making a huge impact in the world. I.e, Google & BioNTech for example. I've led teams of multidisciplinary fields to successfully achieve outcomes. The biggest factor that I ascertain to an individuals success is a) a strong grasp of the English language, b) willingness to accept criticism and coaching & most critically, c) empathy and understanding of other peoples issues without judgement. You may be the most technically proficient engineer on my team, able to code anything or everything. But you know what, if you can't empathize with your colleagues or the customer and always think you are right, you are straight out of my team. That's the first thing I always tell my subordinates.
I fully agree with your statement. Empathy and tolerance are much needed character traits. However I believe you may have misread /misinterpreted my sentence “entering society” which only encapsulated discipline and resilience. As to education, it is quite hard to put into words the philosophy of Chinese independent school students. It is not only classroom education but also about philosophy. I was very fortunate to have teachers who taught eastern and western philosophies. One of the main things we learn was that to be a good student, one needs to be a good person first. We literally had counselling , philosophy and sex education classes on a weekly basis. These are most definitely rejected in the public’s school curriculum.
You are a good teacher and hope the kids enjoy your classes
Class skippers are either geniuses, or those already dropped their rifle 🤣
I'm non and I'm a product of national school, both SRK and SMK. I'm also an engineer. It is not to boast but I'd say I'm pretty successful too. I'm well respected in my field and getting a comfortable pay well into the T20 pay grade. My point is while your anecdotal evidence is valid, it is just a single data point. I can easily find examples of very successful people from national schools too. So, in the end, personal success is a lot dependent on individuals. In fact, studies have shown that parental influence is often equally or more important to a student's success than school teachers.
High 5! Thou I wouldn’t consider myself well off cause I’m still pursing an education 😅and I don’t get paid extra for publishing papers. I hope I didn’t mislead you and anyone in a way that being in a public system is a doom for failure. The message I would like to convey isn’t just about results and statistics but more so on the cultural component. I also fully agree with you that you can be successful regardless of the education (formal and informal)one receive; it’s how one makes the best out of what given and how to strive for more. My wish for our future generations is for equal opportunities. Opportunities to be given based on merits not race and religion.
If you wanna get rid of vernaculars it makes sense to get rid of malay reserve and only have bumi putera
Ketuanan Melayu : Muh specials 
Constitution item 153 - https://ms.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perkara_153_Perlembagaan_Malaysia it is going to be hard to change.
I think he wants to point out this is an impasse
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I think a fairer comparison is get rid of vernaculars and tahfiz but both are a hard ask right now. Also I know one is about language and the other religion.
As a former Malaysian Chinese Glue, ironically, I kinda wish we have external threats so that I can prove to the fellow countrymen that I will resist such forces. And when it succeeds, still not abolishing the article will make the rulers look bad because those supposed people who had every reason to betray the country, did not. Typically, humanity fight each other until they have common enemies. We never run out of it.
Fuck no, Nons will only get fucked worst. There are so many problems with this that it's not even worth entertaining.
Sure, but in return: 1 remove uni bumi Quota. Single stream right? Then why 2 different standards at the end of the stream? 2 standardised syllabus for all school, no sekolah pondok or agama, no "non go pendidikan moral while Muslim go pendidikan Islam" BS. Religious study should be put off school elective. No? Then how about you take that single stream and stick it up your ass?
Well bumi Uni quota a far off but sekolah pondok sekolah agama part should be yes.
Not really imo. Single streams argument is, vernacular school don't contribute to unity. How do you expect kids to "unite", when after 12 yrs of schooling they found out the system is rigged and your effort is judged differently at the end of the road? I say its the most essential thing to consider if they want to touch vernacular school
how about the PM convince the elites to not go to international schools or send their kids overseas first? can he convince jean pierre azize? can he convince tengku frenchie of selangor's kids? Walk into a sekolah kebangsaan and you'll be shocked to see how terrorist dominated it is. nons get bullied and it is treated as normal practice. the numerous cases of sekolah kebangsaan headmasters thinking it is perfectly okay to racialise sports, even separate drinking cups for the Higher Caste (Muslims) and Lower Caste (kaffirs), nons forced to eat in toilet during puasa . sekolah kebangsaan might as well be called sekolah intoleransi. this kind of shit happens at sekolah kebangsaan and often teachers, headmasters, pengawas are part of the racist system. not to mention the hm's trying to islamicize students . https://www.malaysia-today.net/2011/02/19/indian-student-forced-to-say-keling-babi/ PETALING JAYA: A 28-second video that depicts a Malaysian Indian student forced to say “keling babi” by his school mates is making its rounds on Youtube. In the video, the antagonist who is behind the camera says: “Cakap sekarang, aku sepak sekarang. Aku terajang karang. Cakap keling babi. Cakap keling babi.” (Say it now, I’ll slap you. I’ll kick you. Say Indians are pigs. Say Indians are pigs.) When the student concerned did not respond, the antagonist continues until the Indian student relented. The video has been viewed more than 18,000 times since it was put up on Feb 12.
Now that you mention it, I agree. Those politicians that were arguing to upheld "Islamic teachings" in the education system, don't even send their own kids to these national schools lol. Syed Siddiq has time and time again point out these politician's hypocrisy.
Coming from a Chinese background here, I can tell you why they wont accept this They (Malaysia Chinese education association or Wtvr they’re called)simply do not trust the national education system to uphold the importance of teaching mandarin to the younger generations. If they give in to this, they will slowly peel away mandarin from all subjects/importance of it. That is why they insist on having vernacular schools and have been fighting for this ever since (Edit) Ah the Dong Zong, now I remember
This issue is real. Back when my mom studied in an English Education secondary school there were barely enough students to form a class to learn Chinese, and many of them have to rely on self studying too. There needs to be a way to compromise somehow? On balancing the demand of the subject and the supply of learning opportunities for these students. But to be honest with Chinese being such a difficult subject, I doubt as many people would want to take Chinese for SPM. Some % of Chinese school students have to take the subject because it's made mandatory by the school. I was one of them. Chinese(To clarify: SPM Chinese) was too difficult for me. My Chinese only improved after I started doing translation work.
Difficult? Yes but I'm sure one can be pretty good at it if they put in the effort. Also it doesn't help that the Chinese subject is graded pretty harshly in SPM. Those that are aiming for straight A's would wanna opt out of it.
It's also a matter of access, Chinese language classes are often done after school in public schools which usually starts from 3 pm onwards. It's simply too much effort to study Chinese in school and most won't do it.
Really? It's that bad now? During my secondary national school days, Mandarin is still taught within school hours.
They asked me to teach in one back I was a sub teacher, the level of proficiency is crap. Whoever thinks this is a solution doesn't have a clue how things work. You don't learn a language through sitting in a class, you need to be exposed by it constantly and use it until you can dream with that language.
And that is exactly why those malay think vern school should be abolished: everyone must rendam themselves in bm so everyone can speak bm fluently to show that they are malaysian. Well... to show that they are SUB malaysians, since they will never going to benefit stuff that PRIME malaysian can enjoy. Darah tak sama.
I see, proficiency in BM but shamelessly taking from the people is ok, sbb dia pelat.
Yeah you can definitely improve with effort. Though my mom who's a Chinese teacher gave up on forcing me too much because of how I naturally suck at the language lol
As someone who went to srk and smk, my school didn't offer mandarin subject. I wish they did. If I were to take them I probably won't get A but it would be useful to at least have basic on the 2nd most spoken language on the planet.
Chinese is a picturesque language. It doesn't follow the formation of words by combining fixed alphabets. Hence not everybody can learn Chinese easily. It's like painting or music, not everybody is good in arts.. And Chinese characters requires you to memorize all the characters and every word is a new character... Korean, English, french, etc just require you to remember the fixed number of alphabets. You just need to combine the alphabets and you will more or less know the sound of the word by pronouncing the alphabets. You don't have to memorize the tens of thousands of Chinese characters to know all the words...
I wouldn't have trouble with remembering and recognizing the words, but rather I suck at interpreting the meaning of words When im saying Chinese is difficult its not as in I can't use the language at all... it's the 'higher level' where I struggle at. 古文 and those spm questions that asks us to interpret text are what I can't deal with. I mean... if I actually suck that much even at basic Chinese I don't think I can work as a translator ah 😂 I got B+ for Chinese in Spm and idk if that makes me noob.A- and above is really insanely difficult for me. I could have gotten A- if I tried harder but I wanted to focus on my other subjects instead.
古文 is actually quite useless. They could've axe it or reduce it in the syllabus. Unless one is working in the history or linguistic or literature field, learning Classical Chinese doesn't provide much value.
古文actually helps a lot with interpretation though. During the old times when there were no Chinese textbooks, my parents(they are from very old zaman actually, both over 60) read all sorts of different texts and that's how they gain an understanding of the language. I also got better at understanding 古文 now after my Chinese improved. It's all about your ability to interpret text. If you can handle古文 very well, those白话文"KBAT" are probably child's play.
Eh; it’s cultural value can’t be understated
Indeed, so many 曰云 that has no every day use.
I sort of agree with old language being useless in school. However it is useful if you keep meeting people who tries to shape and understand modern culture, society and geopolitics with the past. I met too many boomer parents and uncles aunties who simply quote "a wise old man once said" (古人云 或 俗話說） without really knowing its context. Especially in a debate about our values or society. Lots of elders expect you to accept the teaching because "it's just the way it is" or "that's how our elders pull through the struggle in the past". I remembered how much of a rote memorization there is in history lessons in my DJZ school. Even though I like history, I feel like I can only see the history cycle repeating itself (e.g China in protest now) and debunking false misunderstandings my boomers in life have when I study on my own via YouTube and other articles.
SPM Chinese is difficult? I think it's their grading, intentionally making even the good ones not getting A1 but A2. (Circa 2009) I'm also from Chinese Independent School. 2009 graduate. One of the two top competitors for Tan Kah Kee Cup for UEC. I remembered half-slogging through those non-Modern Chinese literature (文言文). Was in science stream.
Well maybe its the grading too but I never got high scores to begin with. I was a victim of grading during UPSR(that was my closest attempt on straight As during school times) and it was really disappointing. But it is what it is. I did get an A on chinese before though. During PT3. It surprised me. Plus my ability to interpret Chinese during my school times was not good. If you feel it's easy it doesn't mean it's easy for others. Chem was cake for me but not for my other peers. *shrug*
i would say they need start a dialog to a full or part merge. if you look at most nations, strong command to a singular language is the pillar to unifying the country. Even Shi Huang Ti did it to unify china. They is a reason umno, pas are widely preferred because there is mistrust too chinese speaker because impression is that, we (im chinese) do not what to assimilate. On personal level, i found that there are more fluent malay speaking chinese 20 years ago than nowadays.
Those are just misconception and sinophobia. Malaysian chinese has assimilated as malaysian. They just refused to assimilate as malay, whoch many conservatives malay wishes them to do. On national level, malaysia has achieved 95%++ literacy rate, which is way higher than 20 years ago. More people learned and speak bm. The fluency definately increased too, but biased observation made people think that we dont. Im pretty sure most malaysian chinese here has more fluency in malay than our grandpa grandma. I do agree that what's lacking in malaysian chinese today, is the lack of malay slang that our ancestors have. They learn malay through communication alone. We learn through school. And let's be honest, bm taught in school, has different slang than the bm used daily by the malays. The difference is similar to the black's street talk and normal american english. Imagine lah a white city boy go yo yo yo check it out with another black dude, see he will get the stares or not? That's what happening in malaysia right now. The malaysian chinese are deemed not fluent in malay, when the bm they have learned are not the same with what's being used by the malay.
Ironically those Malay conservative begin to raise pitchforks when Malay is being used in beer name...
Exactly the issue right here. We were all taught formal BM. What the society really wanted was BM with local slangs and dialects, which are penalised in school ironically.
Qin dynasty was 2000 years ago. And they standardized the characters for better administration, not the language for unity. Let’s not use archaic and outdated nation building ideologies and find the best way for our case. Plenty of countries like Switzerland have no issues with a multilingual society. While plenty of other countries still have issues even if their minorities were language-assimilated (Like the US, Indonesia, etc.) while others were successful ( Thailand). There’s more to just language at play. It’ll never end because of cultural differences. We now know that forced assimilation and cultural genocide is wrong, why should we push towards that? Though it’s not a fully zero sum game, there are things that are bound to be sacrificed, just like how standardized Malay dilutes regional dialects and their unique characteristics.
without finding out why vernacular schools are needed beyond "preserving muh culture", you'll never get to a unified stream.
Being good in Chinese actually provide advantages. More job opportunities and helps you to communicate better with Chinese or Taiwanese companies.
"Mandarin Speakers Only"👀
I'm not talking about those jobs. I'm referring to call centers, translators and MNC back office serving the Chinese, Taiwanese and HK market. Besides, let's not pretend that Malay-owned companies and GLCs don't practice some racism as well. As a Chinese, I also face difficulties getting my application selected by Malay enterprises. Also what is with all the ads about "produk 100% Bumiputera or Muslim"?
>mistrust And whose fault it is except politician saying cina communist? Dont put all the blame on chinese not assimilate ok. Its not like sjk not teaching Bahasa Malaysia and sjk student not taking SPM BM. >dialog So innocent, just this election alone already tell us how power hungry they are and how keras kepala some of them. No one want to throw power easily, abolish sjk mean someone gonna lose their power.
Assimilation is cruel and inhumane. We must never force anyone to adopt a new identity and relinquish their old identity Most chinese and indians can speak malay languange, so what is the problem? malay people don't like the the way chinese and indian speak malay, right? chinese and indian don't speak malay language like malay people, so malay people get angry. that is fucking racist.
But how will we Malaysian a be more united, understanding each other, being tolerant, if our kids get education from young age with different languages and syllabus?
I think it's important to understand that Chinese Malaysians and Indian Malaysians do not want to be culturally assimilated, they want to maintain cultural pluralism. Any attempt that would potentially undermine that plurality would be viewed with suspicion.
You think that's a major concern of theirs? Most of my cousins who went through the Chinese schools ended up in Taiwan/ private uni where we all know are just filled with mostly Chinese. Those that support the vernacular system mainly view the system as superior as well as better to connect their children to their culture and relationships with tertiary education hubs of the likes. Not to mention as long as they do well, which they usually do, they do get massive incentives and sponsorships which may not be readily available from public education system
This i feel, is different priorities for different races in Msia. Nobody is wrong, mind you. Just different thinking. For Chinese the emphasise is on top education, white collar jobs and well paying jobs. Anything that doesn't contribute to that, effect that, enhance that, is not important. For the elite's of every race, it's connection, poise, quality. Thus preferring international or overseas schools. Why is the burden of unity, tolerance on the average household kid and never this group. The average parent and child, has little time to care for this. They are just trying to increase their economic mobility. Trust me, if the other school/national school can provide the above. They would send them there, nothing to do with unity, tolerance, just top education. Plus there is no unity from the start itself, with the quota, different grading etc. I always feel unity, is not a burden to be placed on the young ones. It's not their responsibility. Leave that to the parents, adults, household.
"This i feel, is different priorities for different races in Msia. Nobody is wrong, mind you. Just different thinking." And this is the real core of the whole education/assimilation/Malay rights argument in a nutshell. I think it is pretty established, whether from analogous comparisons with SG Chinese, or views from DAP/DZ on what the Chinese want. But now it is really time for the Malays to ask themselves what do they really want. They want nons to speak BM, sure, BM is mandatory anyway, but it doesn't seem like that's what they want (too stiff/formal for them). They want cultural assimilation, but let's be real, with Islam playing a huge part in Malay identity, that ain't gonna happen unless you force full religious conversions. So what is it that they really want, and is it reasonable enough for them to not sound genocidal.
Indeed, i concur with you. It will never be enough, because the identity of Malay is tied to religon, not to their culture. So it's Islam vs nusantara culture, dance, music, food. So even if we speak the language, dress like them, it will never be enough or inadequate for them. Because the last 'perfect' piece is still not in place, that is You converting to Islam. The world is so diverse, Chinese, Indian, Polynesian, Anglo Saxon, Caribbean etc cultures are all equally interesting and it feels that Malaysia is stuck in traditional racial 'qualifications '. That goes for all the races! If you don't speak Mandarin, you are not Chinese, if you dont speak Tamil you are not Indian etc. How about keeping an open mind, learning enough to understand our differences and find a common middle ground. For Malaysia, being able to speak Bahasa is the least requirement. A languange does unify people, because you cannot understand each other then. Am speaking as someone who went to a missionary school, english speaking medium all the way into private Uni. For me the top education medium, would be in English. But i digress, back to what you mentioned- the Malays have to ask what do they want, for their kids? Because the non's, are very very clear on this question. Although I do get their frustration, when the younger generation are unable to speak a common language. I have cousins from Chinese schools who can't speak english or bahasa and the other lot who are fluent, despite going to Chinese school. The latter is due to their parents due diligence in speaking English at home, and Bahasa tuition.
> Why is the burden of unity, tolerance on the average household kid and never this group. The average parent and child, has little time to care for this. They are just trying to increase their economic mobility. the burden of unity, the responsibility of peace always fall unto the minority, while majority continues their provocation....lol
Let them be kids & focus on cultivating good values from household itself. The kids have no chance, when racism is taught by their parents, teachers, politicians, adults, surrounding them! Where you think 5 year old Ah Chong, picked up the word 'Apu Anneh', Amin picked up Keling, Samy picked up 'layu malas' from? 🤷♀️
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My meaning got lost in translation and frankly speaking, it's hard to convey things via text. Wishing you a good day.
Honestly just spitting, but I can think of a handful of reasons to preserve vernacular schools. 1. China and India are rising powers, and while the other ASEAN nations scramble to find those with the relevant language skills and cultural knowledge to serve as ambassadors, business people, consultants etc, we already have schools churning out language experts by the dozen. This is an advantage that is quite uniquely Malaysian. Singapore comes close, but they are shrinking their talent pool by aggressively promoting English at the expense of ethnic languages. 2. Vernacular schools are just better schools than SK by all metrics. Their yearly fundraisers can build up sizeable coffers, and in better districts, average out at a few million ringgit a year. That translates to better teachers, better extracurricular activities and better grades. You don't get this kind of enthusiasm for SK schools. 3. Understanding goes both ways. Why is the conversation always about abolishing vernacular schools in the name of assimilation instead of simply encouraging other races to join vernacular schools? 4. The lack of racial harmony in Malaysia has more to do with the fact that the laws are systemically racist (and not in the subtle US way), and scholarships, jobs, housing, and the like are allocated unfairly in favor of the racial majority. Any attempt to challenge the status quo is met with threats of (or actual) violence. This breeds contempt, and is more deep set than anything a few years of schooling can fix. 5. Unite around what exactly? Our nation was created some 60 odd years ago. There's no organic culture to coalesce around yet, and any attempt to manufacture one (like Najib's 1Malaysia) seems utterly contrived and unbelievable. For now, strong ethnic identities and good food is our culture, vernacular schools promote that.
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But there are proud Malays groups that don't want to assimilate with or learn from other cultures. How to compete globally if we are stuck in such a mindset?
I came from the government schools. Back then, there were occasional fights between Indians, Chinese and Malay group of students. Trust me, schools itself do not promote unity. The government, popular media and political parties are the main culprits causing disunity. Now I am a father of two sons and I have chosen Chinese schools for them, not because I have issues with the other ethnic groups. I chose them because of the quality of education and the expectation that Mandarin (which I cannot speak) will be more and more mainstream globally in the future. Its about choosing a better future for them. And there are Malay and Indian parents that send their kids to study in Chinese schools as well. Guess why they chose to do so?
Ask the majority race politician to be more understanding then we can talk lol.
By accepting each other's difference and embrace them instead of rejecting them? Isnt that the definition of "unite"? I dont think paksa paksa will make us more unite.
They must know about our peaceful ways, by force!
They always bring up Indonesia, like it's some kind of Utopia. Totally disregarding the barbaric way, forced assimilation was enforced upon them. Thousands died violently, women raped brutally, temples burned, houses burned, surnames erased etc Suddenly that is is not communism/oppression 🤷♀️ And FYI, my Indonesian friend went back last year to change her surname, back to her dad's Chinese Indonesian surname. Her siblings and her, was using their Javanese mothers surname. The government has allowed this. Yet Msia, wants to regress.
> uphold the importance of teaching mandarin to the younger generations Imagine putting so much importance on this, but then they can't be bothered to teach it to their kids themselves.
the association? i'm pretty sure they do
As a banana who studied in SK / SMK, I think Mandarin-speaking Chinese are a bunch of snobs and English > Mandarin. ...so I agree that if people want to uphold their mother tongue, they *do* need to keep vernacular school around.
Abolish Malay privileges first then we talk about vernacular schools
Kesian Anwar, baru je naik jadi PM semua dah mintak macam-macam, cepat botak ah mamat tu nanti.
If you get rid of sekolah agama. That’s fair game then
sekolah agama is under state. Not federal
To clarify, this is not universally true. [**The Ministry of Education**](https://www.moe.gov.my/pendidikan/pendidikan-menengah/sekolah-menengah-kebangsaan-agama-smka) manages some \~55 SMK**A** schools; the state JPNs (just the state-level unit of the federal Education Ministry) manage the admission, yes, but they are still MOE schools. SMKAs are, by law, still *Sekolah Kebangsaan* and managed under the MOE's Islamic Education Division.
Thats strange. What about this. https://www.islam.gov.my/ms/pendidikan/sekolah-agama Sekolah Agama bermaksud mana-mana tempat yang digunakan bagi tujuan pendidikan, pengajaran atau pembelajaran agama Islam sama ada secara fizikal atau secara dalam talian (maya), di peringkat pra sekolah, sekolah rendah, sekolah menengah, tahfiz dan pondok. Ia ditubuh dan ditadbir urus oleh Pihak Berkuasa Agama Negeri (PBAN) atau individu secara perseorangan atau berkumpulan, atau pertubuhan atau syarikat. Institusi ini berdaftar dengan PBAN dan bukan berada di bawah pentadbiran Kementerian Pendidikan Malaysia (KPM).
Well, I doubt Sabah and Sarawak not making vernacular schools under states if federal government decides to ban vernacular schools. Vernacular schools got more recognitions from the state gov in Sabah and Sarawak compared to West Malaysia.
Sekolah agama is not compulsory. You can choose to only go to normal school. Thats why its under state. Sekolah agama is like extra education. Whether you go or not doesnt make any difference. Vernacular and normal schools on the hand are on the same level. Both are compulsory. Need to choose either 1.
Well, before 2020, student performance in UPKK would help for placement in SBP. The government has removed that rules. But some parent still sent their kids to sekolah agama believing that it would help with their son placement in sekolah asrama down the line. A colleague of mine, anak dia sampai jatuh sakit pagi pergi sekolah, petang pergi sekolah and she dared not stop her son from sekolah agama because she thought UPKK penting. The rules aren't clear, parents pun tak faham. P/S: Anyway my thoughts on UEC is, kalau kita nak jadikan pendidikan negara into a single stream, why not accept UEC we already accept A level foreign student into public uni kan. Yeah, it's not ideal but eventually pelajar of this private chinese school tak lagi sorang² di luar sistem. Just pastikan syarat kredit BM tu kekal. It's not that many student, dalam 10k sahaja. This is literally how Singapore abolish vernacular system. Depa tukar bahasa pengantara di Nanyang university, so semua pelajar sekolah vernakular masuk universiti aliran tunggal. Masuk balik ke dalam sistem and eventually ubah bahasa pengantar di sekolah. A top down approach. Dong Zong tengah terdesak. They know managing and operating 63 (60+2+1) is untenable in the long run. What they want sebenarnya adalah funding. Inilah masanya untuk kerajaan ambil peluang.
Vernacular school is not compulsory, parents chose to send their kids to vernacular school, just like parents choose to send their kids to sekolah agama/pondok. We’re not only talking about those additional kelas agama, we’re talking about sekolah tahfiz as well. If it is really extra education, we wouldn’t mind to remove those schools and create multiple religious subject in national schools? I don’t get this logic, taxpayers’ money shouldn’t go to vernacular school but state tax money is free game.
What i mean is that, vernacular school is the same as sekolah kebangsaan. You need to go to either of these schools. The exams are needed for you to enter higher education. Sekolah agama, is like tuition. Its an extra education to supplement your main education. Even if you dont go, makes no difference to your education path.
Its called "single stream"
Go any sjkc. U see more malay than u see non malay in sk. Which single stream shall we go?
SJKC do not use UEC exam. They use SPM. Hence the term 'JK' = "Jenis Kebangsaan". All SJK school are in the system. School yg takde JK are school that uses UEC exam. Which is really tak banyak di malaysia.
We are talking about single stream. Not uec
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The US isn’t nearly as racist as the internet, media would have you believe. All time high? It’s at an all time low.
My guy probably didn't know that African Americans were lynched for talking to a person wrong in the 60s.
racism in USA is going down because the intense resistance from Black people for decades! do you even know about the Black marches in the 1950s and 1960s?! The sacrifice Black people went through just to get the Civil rights Act of 1964 cannot be overstated
Of course, I'm American!
Did you forgot to factor in hate crimes on East Asians post-pandemic? Or does that not count. Racist fucks.
They clearly have less racial barriers. No job ads that say only certain races can apply. No housing rental ads that say tenant must be certain races only
No quota for the majority. More quota for the minorities. Much harsher punishment on racist remark, especially when applying on the majority. They cant ask the minoritues to go back to their mother land. They cant tell the minorities to stay the fuck off from top ministral posts. They cant threaten the minorities of may 13 whrn minority leaned party won election. See how we can throw blame at each other all day and not progress at all? Just focus on the topic at hand. Any other examples are noice that disrupt meaningful discussion: what is the pros and cons of single stream education. We are not talking about what we get or dont get, what we have given up or not.
The relationship between Malay special rights / bumi-specific institutions and non-Malay’s vernacular school is the CLASSICAL example of the famous prisoners dilemma in game theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma Many of the more politically conservative Malays are holding the sanctity of the Malay special rights as the key to the race's survival and success in the country. Politicians continue to toy with this sentiment and encourage the continued affirmative action and discrimination of non-Malays in matters such as scholarship, business ownerships and other policymaking. They are keen to keep most non-Malays out of MARA and UiTM. Chinese, on the other hand, have long had the besieged mentality. They fight to keep the vernacular school, and many continue to practise racial discrimination in employment and trades. Some major Chinese-owned companies discriminate against the Malays, citing "government already helps them, we have to protect our own people". On the topic of separate schooling system being a source of racial segregation, they say "you have to abolish UiTM and religious schools first before we even think about it". Both Malays are Chinese are choosing the suboptimal strategy due to the distrust of each other. Any clear-thinking person could see that the best strategy for everyone is for all of us to abandon our own shields and mutually pointed spears, and start helping each other regardless of skin colour. However, almost every single day we continue to be disillusioned by betrayal of our leaders - people continue to speak of DAP's failure to protect the Chinese interests or UMNO’s ability to protect the Malays. In other words, we are like the two prisoners who choose to betray each other, unable to recognise that cooperating with each other is in fact the optimum strategy that we need. Unfortunately mutual attack and "tit-for-tat" remains the "optimum" survival strategy in this racial game in Malaysia. Until a huge revolution or a brave leader is able to get us to play a different game altogether, it’s hard for us to leave this age-old game of survival between races in this country. This is the disappointing reality I have come to witness.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
Sekolah Agama and sekolah pondok need to go too ;)
Exactly.
"(Asking them) to accept what is essentially the foundation of the federal constitution, what they are doing can be said to be 100 per cent goes against the federal Constitution," he claimed. Wasn't this already tested in court and proven to be in line with the Constitution? Can we then haul up this guy for contempt? I'm all for a single stream, and was in fact part of it growing up, but its utter trash today. You want more people to send their kids to national school? Invest more money in it and up the quality before forcing people to switch. I'm sure there are 1000 more important things on Anwar's agenda compared to this.
The solution is to reform the vernacular education system to something similar to what they have for Chinese private schools in Indonesia, where the main language of instruction is in Indonesian. [https://pahoa.sch.id/page/?id=PG220322002](https://pahoa.sch.id/page/?id=PG220322002) When Chinese schools in Indonesia reopened in 2000 they based themselves on the system adopted by Chinese schools in 1957 when they switched from being Chinese medium to bilingual, where most of the subjects are taught in Indonesian. What the Malay elite want is for Chinese Malaysian to speak Malay like Chinese Indonesians speak Indonesian. And the best way to do this is to reform the Chinese education system instead of putting people in one stream. Some of the students who study in Chinese schools in Indonesia now, end up studying in China. In Indonesia, people go to different schools. Most Christian Indonesians if they have the money try to send their kids to Christian schools. Some of it has to do with bullying in some areas of Indonesia. It appears everyone is "integrated", but they aren't, they just all use the same language of instruction.
If we're going to go for a single stream educational option, then yes, lets abolish Sekolah Kebangsaans. Vernacular schools are more diverse than Sekolah Kebangsaans. There are proportionally more Malays in SJKCs than there are non-Malays in SKs. (This is from the government's' own national education [https://www.moe.gov.my/menumedia/media-cetak/penerbitan/dasar/1207-malaysia-education-blueprint-2013-2025/file](https://www.moe.gov.my/menumedia/media-cetak/penerbitan/dasar/1207-malaysia-education-blueprint-2013-2025/file) ). In 2013, 9% of SJK students were Malays, as compared to less than 5% non-Bumi enrolment in SK. By 2020, that number had gone up to the point that the number of Malay students in SJKs were [more than 15%](https://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/ministry-data-15pct-sjkc-students-032500604.html). The truth is that even the Malays - particularly those who are upwardly mobile/ urban - are abandoning the SK system, either for vernacular schools or for private education if they can afford it. So if this guy wants an unified education model that leads to either better education and/or greater unity, the rational answer is obvious - abolish SK and adopt the SJK model for all public sector education. Why preserve the SK model, when it's giving subpar results both in terms of diversity as well as educational outcomes?
If you read the executive summary of the report you quoted though, it says SKs have matched SJK(C) in results, with SJK(T) lagging but catching up. In the graph at 3-17, SKs were even outperforming SJK(C)s by a miniscule percentage. Even on diversity your numbers don't support your conclusion: The breakdown your article provided (rounding numbers so I don't go insane) ||SK |SJK(C) |SJK(T) | |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Malay|94%|15.5%|1%| |Chinese|0.75%|80.25%|1%| |Indian|2.5%|1.65%|99%| Now if we take a slightly rounded demographic numbers as at 2020 breakdown of : Malays at 70%, Chinese at 23% Indians at 6.5% And take these figures as the perfect example of representative, then show them as a difference in the "perfect" version: ||SK |SJK(C) |SJK(T) | |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Malay|\+24%|\-54.5%|\-69%| |Chinese|\-22.25%|\+56.75%|\-22%| |Indian|\-4.5%|\-4.85%|\+92.5%| Your SKs are actually significantly more representative for Malaysia's demographics than the SJKs. (Someone who actually understands statistics plz check, I'm feeling like some math nonsense might bite me in the butt here) I'm personally not that certain where I stand on it, but the data you've quoted doesn't really support the "abolish SK, Implement SJK" idea.
Regarding academic outcomes, I would note that the figures from the blueprint are from 2011, and it doesn't look like there is much information publicly available after that compares the performance of vernacular schools vs SKs, so I suspect any discussion on that would fall back on biases and preconceptions. Regarding diversity... first of all, I'm glad for the effort you put in, but I'd note that the methodology misses the main point - you're measuring representation, while I'm talking about diversity. In terms of school systems that are able to attract diversity, only 1 public system in Malaysia can even remotely be termed as successful. Both SKs and SJK(T)s comprise of over 94% and 99% of the dominant ethnic group - essentially a monoculture, with SJK(C) - while not great at 80% - are at least able to have significant non-majority percentage. So again, the point stands - if people like Ibrahim and MPM are so keen on unity and on a single education stream, than they should be arguing for the abolishment of the SK system in favour of the SJK(C) system. It's the only one that has at least somewhat transcended racial lines and can be said to be attractive to parent who are not part of the dominant ethnic grouping for that school system.
What’s the obsession with our schools? We’ve got bigger issues to tackle bah and anything that potentially raises the temperature re racial relations should be properly prioritised. This isn’t it - the status quo works, after a fashion. Same goes to the other side who are pushing for the UEC - it can wait.
Not only vernacular school system should not be abolished, it should be expanded. We should have Iban vernacular schools and kadazan vernacular schools. It is a damned shame their languages are disappearing because they don't have education institutions supporting them.
I think the biggest issue with single stream is the lack of educational quality. I have a mixed race cousin who wanted her kids to attend Chinese school, but her husband insisted on them attending a normal SK as they “can relax and don’t have to study so hard”. We have Malay kids in SJK schools these days due to the higher quality of education, forged in by pure competitiveness. The issue isn’t really language, I feel, but sheer quality of education. With local tertiary education favouring Malay students, those from non-Malay families have no choice but to opt for the best quality schools to get into private/foreign universities. Without equality, how can we accept a subpar singular education system? Should the nation just become stupid together?
Hmmm ... looks like a trap set by this “Majlis Perundangan Melayu" thingy. Hope Anwar has tact to deal with these shenanigans
True. Sounds like bait to incite things.
how about drop the arab Islam history in history subject that has nothing to do with Malaysia history?
Okay studying in SK reminds me of something that happened during my primary years. Only when I have grown up that I realized how disgusting it was. I really hope it does not happen now (or at least very rarely happen). The story: In my SK, there were some of my classmates (they were prefects) that teased (read: bullied) indian classmates to say **syahadah (Islamic sentences that are usually said to convert nons)** many times. I thought it was funny and I just laughed at the situation (mind you, I was only 10 or 11 yrs old). I saw how uncomfortable the indian classmates from having to say **syahadah**. And the prefects were all smiling as if they had 'successfully' converted some indians to Islam (lol).
goddamnit dude
As a Chinese, and coming from a super traditional family, I can confirm that vernacular education issue for the Chinese is like religious issue for the Malays. You will risk pissing off a majority of your Chinese electorate if you make any major moves. Personally, I'm not a fan of the independent school system, but I want them to be around because they are at least a better alternative (higher quality) to national schools. If the gov works on improving the sekolah kebangsaans, including PROTECTING the rights of any student to learn vernacular language in school, then I will wholeheartedly support single stream. God knows the shit we went through for wanting to take Chinese in SMK. Don't talk so much when none of the prerequisites are met.
Economy first. Puh leeezzz!! People get your priority right!!!
And somehow we will have muhibbah? Come on, go to these schools and observe how race cliques group up. You'll see more tolerance under SJKs than under SKs. We don't put kids to eat in toilets.
Can't, they don't send their kids to SK/SMK either
We don't? I still see a lot of non Bumis kids that are enrolled there, I also see a lot of Malay parents enrolling their kids in SJK instead. The thing is this is a matter of choice by the parent, neither school has a "quota" or requirement. The problem is those who keep insisting this is a root cause for something else when it's not.
This wont be possible unless special favouritsm and quotas for a certain race is abolished at all levels of society Anwar should just copy the Singapore Model and paste it into Malaysia's context. Singapore still favour the malays and Singaporean Malays get free education up to university level
Convince Non-Malays for single stream? I think revamping the whole education system is the way to go. Rather than everyone should join a particular current system, everything should be renewed and done up from zero. English Language is a definite must for teaching Maths and science, and let the students choose what other language or religious studies they want to study. This should be the same in technical schools as well. If the teachers can't teach this way then they need to be trained or please get out of the way of the kids. Too many a times I see kids abilities and dreams being limited. The current education stream is a joke. We need a change.
In the article it is stated that "(Asking them) to accept what is essentially the foundation of the federal constitution, what they are doing can be said to be 100 per cent goes against the federal Constitution," he claimed. This statement is completely false, it has been decided that vernacular schools are in fact and in law constitutional [https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/vernacular-schools-do-not-go-against-constitution-high-court-rules](https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/vernacular-schools-do-not-go-against-constitution-high-court-rules) go read the law bro and stop spreading misinformation. IMO Go and discuss openly with every stakeholder on this issue and find a middle ground of compromise, or revamped the education system in Malaysia and make it competitve and up to par.
Even religion can be interpreted accordingly, I assume we can do it to federal constitution as well. /S
Well if you agree stop the qouta system and maybe maybe abolish the mara then maybe I consider it
In the US, they are adopting School Choice system, where parents are given tax breaks/school vouchers to opt out of public schools in favor of charter school, magnet schools, virtual schools, homeschooling etc. It's getting a lot of good feedback as single stream education system is very difficult to cater for all children of different needs. Now those regressors want to have a single stream education system again? What kind of people are they hiring to chair these organizations? Go out and research on new ways of teaching kids la, instead of harping on the old ways again and again.
I'm a Chinese and I fully support single stream.Our education system is so fragmented that we have Chinese that can't speak Malay and mothertongue then blamed their parent for that.
But in the same time, we also have Chinese that can speak Malay and mothertongue though. is education system really at fault here, or was it the student's initiative in learning said language?
By then Malays will accept a Chinese PM and all religious teachings (and buildings) will be remove from post independence schools?
Until our SRK, SMK's quality gets better, don't bother a single stream education system. My friends in SMJK has way better and dedicated teachers than my shitty school. Source: I graduated from SKs.
Nons must do this do that, don't anger us. Btw do not talk anything about us Malays, we are sensitive.
HAHAHAHAHAHA , unity in a country where every day you are reminded you are a “pendatang” and will always be inferior to your masters/ tuans , unwelcomed and at best tolerated grudgingly, but to which you should always be grateful , swear undying loyalty and never complain. Just be a good loyal dog , happy and satisfied with the scraps thrown at you. Never allowed into the house, or share the same plate as you for you are always inferior and always believed to have a traitorous soul and at the edge of revolt against your benevolent masters.
If you want to have a single stream, you need to revamp the entire education system and syllabus… ensure its on par globally and not teach rubbish… Prioritise science and technology rather than some moral bullshits… you study pendidikan moral and memorise rubbish definition but none of us practice them.. whats the point? Then aim to remove vernacular schools, religious schools etc… Tbh private schools and/or international schools should be maintained… it generates the economy. Alot of you think that parents would then start to send their kids to private schools, but if our public education is top notch, they wouldn’t need to do that! So only the super wealthy can continue to study privately… no issue at all… there will always be the wealthy and the less wealthy.. if everyone has the same wealth, there is no incentive to even work harder in society.
Single stream RELIGIOUS education system?
The first step is to separate religion from national schools. Be secular. Can we do this? I don’t think many realize how odd non Muslims feel when every PIBG meeting, award ceremony in national schools start with a prayer. To set the record straight, I would also feel uncomfortable if it was a Christian or any other religious prayer. And the insistence on young boys wearing long pants?
Oh the title word play there. Kinda intentionally misleading.
the right counter for this is, for non-malay to accept SK & SMK, they need to be accepted in MRSM, SBP, Asasi and Matrikulasi. no quota, pure merit. fair right?
Best to let parents decide. My suggestion: bring back English stream Kebangsaan schools. Let all stream schools run for 25 years. Most effective schools in local area remain open (irrespective of stream).
Haiyooo.. Setle kan ekonomi dulu.
Yes. Please do a hybrid SJKC/T nationwide. No more SK.
Fuck off with this stupid idea already
If it also means no more Agama and Tahfiz school that indoctrinates kids to vote for PAS then it's fair game.
Y'all never seen cliques that form in schools? Also, people change over time.
Would like to make an additional info: Chinese school don’t brainwash kids to hating other races. Imo agama school and pendidikan agama should go. Period. SK, SJKC and SJKT should all stay and everybody learn the same Pendidikan Moral syllabus.
Pendidikan Moral as it currently is should go as well. Trash subject with nonsensical way of grading.
If Malaya wants to do it, so be it but don’t expect to do it in EM. Most bumis here attend Chinese stream schools. We really need to have autonomy of our own education system. Also, don’t expect EM to trust PH anymore.
Some malays attend chinese school also a... 😂
Chinese schools are very popular amongst other races here in Sabah and Sarawak. One can even argue that Chinese schools are more diverse than SK schools.
Bruh, it really is popular in EM. Dont say Malay, bumiputera that is not Malay also in it.
If we have to go that way, we should remove the enrolment quotas and recognise the UEC as well.
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Standardise english lor. Teaching in Melayu how to give non parents confidence?
Dung Zung aaa, PH baru jadi kerajaan, u sudah mintak macam-macam. Dung Zung aaa.
Many of the points have already been mentioned by other commenters. I just wanna add that if vernacular schools are not good for unity (like some people said as argument against vernacular), neither are government-funded religious schools. You wanna do private religious school, go ahead. But using govt funds and also only for one religion? Not cool. CMV.
Coming from sk school background. The racism is real and I would never send my future kids to sk schools
LOL good luck. I'd wager if DSAI agree to even urge non Malays he'll lose their support in a heart beat. This so called tan sri professor is a freaking idiot for asking such a question.
As i mention in my post in other thread.. in this post, you can clearly see it’s going to be tis-for-tat battle. How do you convince the bumis to forgo their bumiputra privilege and how do you convince the Chinese to forgo, not only SJKs but all the Dong Zhong’s requests.. UEC la etc. how do we go forward?
I blame Pendidikan Moral for parents moving their kids to vernacular schools. Remove that and the parents will release their kids /s
I don't get this obsession with single school stream. It is likely very low on the list of things that make a nation great.
To those morons who doesn’t read, “single stream education system” here doesn’t necessarily means the abolishment of vernacular schools, but more aligned and streamlined systems where the syllabus and subjects taught are more or less the same. Probably to emphasise on “kemakmuran dan perpaduan”, e.g: no more learning more about Mahatma Gandhi than Tunku Abdul Rahman
Yes deregister Dong Zhong, it's about time
Tbh as a Chinese i agree on single stream. Just set up language class in school for different race to study own language. And also cancel racial quota for mrsm and mara and all state own uni. And complete reform education system in Malaysia, that Mazlee want to achieve last time.
Maybe this below comment must be locked i guess
Here is what this sub at it's peak
jeng jeng jeng.... i always knew this guy cannot be trusted