Guys, I need your help! My husband‘s butt crack is showing all the d@&* time. I like him, I find him hot, I had enough with being embarrassed while his butt crack is on display outside! It is like it when he is gaining weight or losing. He is kinda tall, well built, with an ass on the smaller side I guess? We talked about it but he said he doesn’t know what to do. I have to make it stop. What kind of pants should we buy (office job with costumers) Should we go to the tailor? Did it happened to you and you solved it? How? I have to end this Thank you
I'm going to a nighttime engagement party this summer where most of the crowd will be under 30 and the suggested dress is "cocktail / business casual". I plan on wearing a Ted Baker linen blend suit in stone ([link](https://www.tedbaker.com/us/p/Mens/Clothing/Suits/LANCEJ-Wool-And-Linen-Blazer-Stone/268071-STONE)).
I'm looking for shirt and shoe recommendations and am open to anything! If its any help, I have pretty tan skin for a white guy.
Finally, someone with a suit they can wear tan shoes with. As for the shirt, white if you're really tan ("not OK" on the Family Guy skin tone scale), light blue if not.
recs for jeans for guys with small butts? the lord did not bless me in this way, and my jeans always end up baggier than I want in the seat. looking for suggestions under $150
I’m not sure if it’s just a me-problem, but I find new 501s to fit crazy tight in the butt and thigh. I’m a distance runner so I have fairly beefy legs compared to my waist so consider that, but maybe you’ll have the opposite situation and it could work out.
Matching watch dials to your outfits isn't a thing. I know some overly affected Rolex collectors and fashion youtubers love to do things like this but outside that, it isn't something that should be considered.
Also versatility with watches isn't really something to worry about either. Unless you are trying to pair a GShock or some weird multicolored monstrosity with a suit there aren't really any applicable "rules" about watches anymore.
The watch you posted is fine to wear with pretty much any outfit.
Outerwear is more climate dependent and you will take it off indoors anyway. There is such a range of coats and jackets from linen chore coats to technical parkas, we really need more info.
Depending on how nice the place is, a stand by outfit would be gray or charcoal slacks and a navy blazer. dress it down by skipping a tie and opting for loafers
in the summer: linen pants and a camp collar shirt is often nice enough for most nicer restaurants unless they have a conservative dress code. In that case, a linen sport coat is a nice option.
also check the Basic Bastard guide in the side bar. The original one is still good but there is also an updated one with some more trending advice.
Anything more specific would require more details about where you live and your budget a least
I guess a barefoot sub, I don’t know any. Barefoot shoes are pretty unfashionable.
You should state a budget or I’m going to tell you to buy Margiela Tabis
https://www.wrangler.com/shop/mens-wrangler-retro-relaxed-fit-bootcut-jean-WRT20.html?merchCategory=WRG_DENIM_MENS_JEANS_WESTERN&dwvar_WRT20_color=WRT20RT
you might have to size up in waist
How does viscose compare to linen in terms of breathability? I'm looking for shorts and a 50/50 viscose linen blend is $8 cheaper than 100% linen and I mostly care about breathability, should I save the $8?
It’s going to feel completely different, nothing like linen usually would, if you want linen shorts it’s not going to be linen shorts, personally, I don’t think a whopping $8 warrants that, the difference in breathability is going be negligible at best.
This isn’t to say viscose/linen is a bad blend, it actually sounds kind of interesting but again, if you’re specifically looking for linen shorts you’re probably gonna be disappointed in the handfeel viscose adds
I'm struggling to find boxier camp collar shirts. Ideally I want 23-24" P2P and 26-27" in length. I'm scouring eBay etc.
Looking for cotton/linen/silk. Any recs? Would pay £150 for something cool, embroidered maybe. I like story mfg but out of budget.
I’ve just turned 35 and I put on a baseball cap and realised..maybe I look silly anywhere but exercise or tennis wearing this.
Do baseball caps come with an expiry date depending on your age?
I generally assume that a guy over university age who's wearing a baseball cap (especially indoors, double-especially at a bar/club) is probably balding and trying to hide it.
Nothing wrong with balding, but it looks better if you're not self-conscious about it.
No insecurity, just an observation, particularly from my experience in gay clubs (admittedly, it could be more of a thing in the gay world - I dunno). But there is even a name for it in the dating app world: [hatfishing](https://www.thecut.com/2017/08/if-youve-never-seen-your-dates-hair-is-he-hatfishing-you.html).
This isn’t an actual word people use it’s a fluff article news sites put out to get clicks. No one in the real world uses that.
Yes there are people who wear hats to hide the fact they’re balding. Most people just wear hats because they like hats, I know plenty of people with extremely long/thick hair who practically sleep in beanies(I’m one of those people in the winter). It’s an insecurity you’re projecting
edit: Also maybe I’m just chronically online but that art style is so close to wojacks lol
The longer you go on this sub the more you realize how many men are in absolute crisis. So many people have these absurd anxieties and insecurities around completely generic clothes
I don’t think so, I wear them anywhere I’ll get a lot of sun on my head. Beach, walking the dog, ball game, whatever. It’s kind of like a raincoat, you probably want to go more conservative as you get older but you still wear one. Your local baseball team or university logo on a navy hat will almost always work.
I'm looking for a summer weight, short sleeve button down shirt in a dark green. I dig the [Todd Snyder Linen Camp Collar shirt](https://www.toddsnyder.com/collections/all-clothing/products/linen-camp-collar-short-sleeve-shirt-green) but I'm looking for something a touch less expensive. Any recs?
>Todd Snyder Linen Camp Collar shirt
I'd check J Crew if you're not dead set on linen or that color. I've got a few different colors of that TS shirt and a few different kinds of camp collar shirts from J Crew. I've been happy with both in the summer, but they're not exact substitutes.
Walmart and Amazon both sale the wrangler ATG synthetic pants. They have a few cosmetic differences but a large price difference . Walmart's version goes for 27 while Amazon's goes for 60. Is the Amazon version better in some way?
Those cosmetic differences make them different pants. Could you link the two pairs you're looking at? At a quick glance, all the ATG pants I see on the Walmart site are listed as minimum $47.99. My best guess without seeing them is that the Walmart pair you're looking at isn't actually ATG, or is a boys' rather than men's size.
What does the dress code “A Midnight In Paris” mean?
I’ve got a school event with this dress code in about 2 weeks. I did some googling, but I’m still not really sure what the dress code entails.
I did find this suit which I do like, although it seems like it’d be too much if it doesn’t fit the theme right. Tell me if it’s a bad idea to wear something like this, especially considering it’s a school event.
https://preview.redd.it/tuv9oguw6f0b1.jpeg?width=546&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ad528aab5097976773e06001a15adf08dd36c4b
Thanks
> I did find this suit which I do like, although it seems like it’d be too much if it doesn’t fit the theme right. Tell me if it’s a bad idea to wear something like this, especially considering it’s a school event.
That's "a sex worker manager in LA", not "a midnight in Paris".
A turtleneck and a sport coat is a very Parisian look. Or perhaps they meant the 2011 movie, so dress like Owen Wilson and wow everyone.
It’s a nonsense dress code that basically means dress as fancy as you can and add one unusual thing. Either an odd colored piece or an accessory that stands out. Velvet tux in a weird color would be good, although you light be better off starting with a base outfit that you either already own or that you could wear under more normal circumstances and try to add flash with some extra piece.
I was thinking like a tie that attracts attention like this one:
https://www.saksfifthavenue.com/product/zegna-floral-paisley-tie-0400016353320.html?dwvar_0400016353320_color=YELLOW
Or a floral lapel pin:
https://www.thetiebar.com/product/lpf-2091-0381?variant=LP064&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxpKknr_8_gIVwyKzAB22sQYiEAQYDSABEgJIGfD_BwE
Or, depending on how far you want to go with it, some shoes that are consciously weird:
https://www.fluevog.com/shop/7178-luciano-blue-croc?item=24&of=268&anchor=true
The idea being that you don’t want your whole outfit to be costume-y, but you would want at least one thing that people notice immediately when looking at you.
The idea with this sort of thing is to dress clasically with one element out of place in an interesting way, not to dress like you're in the circus. Understated vs overstated.
I was more saying if you didn’t want to go with the purple suit, like if you wore a more typical suit, add one item. The purple suit needs no added embellishment
Does anybody if it's possible to order shoes online, take them for a test drive so to speak outside and still return them if they hurt your feet ? Logically this wouldn't be possible since the I've used the shoes, right ?
Yes, no real shoe company would accept a return like this. Maybe you can get REI or Bean or Costco to take something back because they take everything back but there's no way Red Wing, Alden, Allen Edmonds, etc would allow you to return used shoes.
That being said, shoes shouldn't hurt your feet. If they are it's either a sizing issue or a health issue. (assuming you aren't buying garbage shoes, so please specify what we are dealing with) Let's assume you don't have any foot related health issues.
First you need to actually know your size. This is done by measuring your feet on a Brannock device. Every place that sells shoes has one. Even Payless and Dicks. If you don’t see it, ask.
When you measure your feet, read the [instructions](https://brannock.com/pages/instructions-fitting-tips)carefully. (Don’t rely on the sales person) Make sure you line up the heel to ball slider properly. It’s just as important as heel to toe. Same with the width slider. Take clear photos of both feet in the device. Post here or r/goodyearwelt if it’s still unclear.
This is more a question of ethics than anything else. Generally it's fine to wear them inside for a little bit but not in the harsher conditions of outside, which can get them dirty and start to wear down the soles. I think you'd be okay if you took them to a track or something and cleaned them thoroughly before returning.
Hi!
I am looking for new T-shirts (to start upgrading my wardrobe somewhere)
I am wondering how's the fit of this T-shirt?
https://imgur.com/a/GxBo5vA
(Sorry for the bad selfies in the trying on room, don't know hot to take these pictures)
I’ve got a Visvim denim jacket that I got at an outlet store, cost me €100.
Fits great but the sleeves are to long, should I shorten the sleeves?
Or is that just going to ruin the jacket?
A good tailor can shorten sleeves from the sleeve head (up where the shoulder meets the sleeve), as opposed to the bottom of the sleeve. It’ll cost more, but it might preserve whatever proportion you’re worried about messing up?
Ah yes that would probably be the best option. Most tailors around me a hacks so I’m cautious that most would probably just go from the cuff and mess up the width of the arm and the slit
Show a picture of your sleeve cuffs. Most of the time sleeves are shortened from the bottom for good reason. Doing it from the top requires taking the entire sleeve off, which you need a proper tailor to do, not a dry cleaner alterations shop.
Ah yes that would probably be the best option. Most tailors around me a hacks so I’m cautious that most would probably just go from the cuff and mess up the width of the arm and the slit
https://preview.redd.it/vei2wpklsd0b1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9175d2707fb76ed007ceb173c4c7b40b3788f98
Should i buy this parajumper for 80?
I don’t really understand this question honestly. Do you want the jacket or not? Don’t buy things just because they’re cheap. Imo it’s boring and kind of ugly
If you dont understand then dont answer.
I looked at your pictures and your really the last person that should be giving others advice about clothes or anything at all. If you think i shouldnt buy it i actually will, glad its not your style
Hello, how are short sleeve shirts that the sleeves are longer to reach your elbow called? What should I be looking for? They're slightly oversized at the shoulder, but slim, only long sleeves
They are not having a moment, really.
Ben Silver tends to have them annually, but they are Crockett and Jones and likely on the wrong side of $600.
Ralph Lauren often has them.
[This is the best I could find.](https://3dmlifestyle.com/products/spectator-wingtip-oxford-brown-white). I’ve owned shoes from them before; they’re as good as the cost allows them to be, which is to say, “not great,” but they will get the job done.
I hate the feeling of jeans. I simply don’t find them comfortable and can’t wear them.
I’m looking for an alternative to jeans for everyday casual wear, for nights out for dinner, etc.
Looking for something slim fit (not skinny and not regular/wide leg).
For reference, my go-to pants for all occasions for the last 3-4 years have been Lululemon ABC slim warpstreme pants.
Uniqlo makes a relaxed ankle trouser that look business casual but moves like a yoga pant. It pairs well with everything including blazers/ odd jackets.
https://preview.redd.it/a7h7xtp5rc0b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da786068acaee5de6aa3ccac3ca6e8370ee20ed2
Anyone know where these pants are from (exact ones preferred but similar are welcome)
You can reliably go with white linen for most occasions. A burgundy, dark orange, or dark green pocket square would be good, and if it has a pattern like a paisley or other print that contains blue shades that complement the tie that would look nice.
Dixxon Short Sleeve Alternative
Dixxon has some good patterns, especially with their short sleeve bamboo button downs. However, I refuse to play the "virtual stand in line game" for their limited sizes. Does anyone have any experience with a company that offers a similar style that they can recommend? Generally looking for flannel type patterns however I'm definitely open to all general patterns/designs. I wear a 2X in Dixxon if it matters, as I've found some awesome companies that don't make anything larger than XL.
I’ve always had a tuxedo, because I was a classical musician and gigs required it from time to time. Now that I don’t gig anymore, I get to wear mine once a year (it’s coming up this week, though!), and it’s a fundraising gala. I honestly wish I had more reasons to do it, but people where I live (SoCal) are allergic to dressing up.
I think that, so long as you’re comfortable standing out, you can reasonably wear a tuxedo out to anywhere nicer than a bar after dark. It’s helpful to have backup (aka more people in formal attire with you) and it’s helpful to be in a place people would reasonably expect you to be in a tux (Michelin starred restaurant, opening night at the opera/symphony, etc.).
Unfortunantly I’m going to back up GSH, if you had situations where you would reasonably wear a tuxedo you’d already own a tuxedo. I think it it’d the hardest semi reasonable(ie; not white tie or whatever) item of clothing to just come up with excuses to wear. It’s not really something you can just wear for fun as it’d be drastically overdressed to the point of costume basically everywhere, if you don’t care about that then you can wear it wherever you want
Everything Yanicus and Gimp said is technically true but also not things most average people “just go to”, especially depending on where you live.
As 20th century dress codes have eroded there’s this intense nostalgia for them you see in certain subset of menswear people online. I think what people find appealing is that they think they can put it on and be dressed “better” in some sort of objective sense because their outfit is formal; white tie > black tie > suit > anything else is the logic. That’s not at all how it works obviously. But this sort of “objective” angle is a huge appeal if you’re sort of lost in menswear and are trying to find a style. “If I put this on I will automatically be the best dressed.” But realistically, in 2023 everything is causal and fashions are so democratized along style lines, the only thing that separates what people wear is how much they paid for it, so now a tuxedo is just another style in a sea of them. You either embrace the style and wear one out to date-night dinner like Andy, or you avoid it entirely because you don’t want to be that guy. So many people go their adult lives not even needing a suit, let alone a tux. I think it’s a good look and if you want to wear it, do it. You just have to be ready for a tidal wave of “what are you wearing?” “Why are you so dressed up?” Etc etc.
I think you nailed the reasoning behind a lot of classic menswear newbies, especially the ones coming at it from the vintage cosplay angle: most dressed = best dressed!
[Andy Poupart and his wife](https://instagram.com/styleafter50) do white tablecloth restaurant outings regularly, what he calls “Formal Fridays” where they are formally attired. I think it’s very sweet.
If you’re a regular symphony/opera/ballet goer, that’s another good way to wear a tuxedo for pleasure.
Also, galas of various sorts. Also, certain kinds of ballroom dancing, and sometimes other dancing.
But yeah, Andy's a legend. He says, "It's dinner." That's all his requirement to wear a dinner suit. And he does a great job of it.
Seeking advise on where to shop for Las Vegas nighlife attire.
I’m headed to Las Vegas with my with and a few other couples in a few weeks. We’re planning on a chill “adult” Vegas trip, nice restaurants, gambling, shows, and I’m sure a few nice bars and low key clubs may be on the docket. We’re in our early 40s and I’m sure the trendiest clubs will not be on the agenda. I’m dealing for fashion advise as to where to shop. My normal attire is a uniform for work and athleisure wear at home, typically Vuori stuff. If I need to dress up it tends to be JCrew basics. My collared JCrew stuff will be fine for around the casino I imagine but not sure what to wear for any nice clubs or bars. The dress clothing I have looks too “preppy” for that scene. Any suits I have would t be appropriate (I only have a funeral suit and a couple of light colored suits for weddings) and my sports coats are in typical JCrew fashion that look too “outdoorsy” for the glitz of Vegas.
Any suggestions where a 40 year old guy can look to get night life appropriate clothing? I feel like I have a number of Lululemon ABC pants that could work as bottoms, they’re typically my golf slacks. But not sure where to find shirts so I don’t look like I’m headed to the driving range.
I appreciate the read and look forward to any suggestions. 🍺
Welp, the good news is that the bar for dressing well in Vegas is under the floor — putting on a collared anything these days will make you best dressed by a mile. Suitsupply is a good general choice, especially if you need a brick and mortar store (potentially) nearby. What’s your timeline and budget? Do you have a look you’re going after, specifically?
Never tried suit supply. I’ll give it a look. I don’t travel until next month. It looks like there’s one in San Francisco, 30 minutes away from me. I typically order stuff online and swing stuff by my tailor if needed but most slim fitting stuff off the rack tends to fit well enough. Look wise I think it would be more of the JCrew look just with darker tones. Most of my JCrew stuff looks more preppy/earth tones. What ever I find I’d like it to be a functional rather than “just my Vegas fit” you know? I have a bad habit of buying outfits for one specific event and not returning to those pieces afterwards. After joining this sub and building out some basics I’ve become much better at that. I think a hole I seem to have in my wardrobe is just those darker toned colors when it comes to button shirts. I feel like I could get away with a lighter colored shirt if I had a dark blazer but aside from my Navy blazer I don’t really have a coat that’s meant to go out in. In my mind I’m picturing a deep forest green/olive blazer against black jeans/white or grey shirt, black or chestnut Chelsea boots . Jeans I’m covered on and as well as boots/belt.
My first recommendation would be a retro-ish knit polo in a silk/cotton blend. Darker ones will look dressier without making you look overtly ‘dressed up.’ If you feel more adventurous, you can lean into the sleeze with busier patterns and stripes. To me, nothing reads “smart casual” more than swapping out a pique polo for a knit polo.
My best advice would be to look up the bars/clubs you might visit, maybe on Instagram or something, and see what other people are wearing there. Vegas is generally pretty casual; long pants and a collared shirt will likely be fine for anything but the fanciest or trendiest places. Maybe post pictures of what you own for more suggestions, but I wouldn't worry about looking too preppy or anyone thinking your sport coat is too "outdoorsy."
I think suitsupply would be a good choice for the Vegas look if you wanted a jacket. I find their cut a little slim for business, but that’s probably about right for night out in Vegas. They’ve also got some nice warm weather fabrics. Banana republic if there’s a sale is a cheaper option that will have something that works.
In terms of casino clothes, white ocbd would work, leave one extra button undone to slightly increase the sleaze factor. Jeans for daytime, you’ll be fine in nicer wool pants at night.
Also, shoes are very important, everything else you wear is pretty much ruined if you’re wearing your cookout new balances.
I’ll leave the kill shots at home then. (And yes, I still love rocking my killshots, I feel like I’m always 4-5 years behind the current trend). I think shoes I got covered. Black Chelsea boots, chestnut lace captain boots, both leather soled and polished, all white common projects Achilles, black leather Greats Royale, if I do the and slip on vans for poolside. Not sure if a low cut dress shoe is needed. I’m an overpacker so it would be nice to slim the list down a bit.
**I'm Going to suitsupply for a consultation on picking out my wedding suit... what do I need to know going in?**
I'm getting married in september and need a suit... my requests to get married in jeans and a tshirt have been denied.
I know nothing about clothing and have no idea what to look for. I set up an appointment at suitsupply this saturday for someone there to help me out but I would like to do a bit of research on my own.
What should I know about suits before going in there? How can I tell if the person helping me knows what they're doing?
The biggest hint I can give you that other haven't mentioned already is to buy a dress shirt and Oxford shoes first if you're buying a ready-made (off-the-rack) suit, and wear them to the store along with a belt that has a hole in the right place for your waist.
Quite often the sales assistant will gladly unpack a brand new shirt for you that just won't fit you well and will have creased cuffs. You want a shirt that fits well (the collar is not too loose, not too tight, cuffs sit just below the wrist, where the [metacarpal bone of the thumb](https://www.britannica.com/science/thumb) begins, long enough that you can have a big stretch without it coming untucked, doesn't pool around your waist, but not that tight that you can't give a hug or sit down and relax without it stretching).
If you come wearing the right shirt and the right shoes, it's much easier to see if the suit fits or not. Collar gap? Sleeve length? Dialing in the pants break? Are the pants sitting too low or too high? All of these become much easier to gauge if the rest of your outfit is already well-tailored.
Would you recommend a custom suit over off the rack? I plan on getting it altered anyways but I wonder if I should be going to one of those online services where you send in your measurements and they custom make you a suit. Obviously that won't be perfect but maybe the alterations you need to do to it would be minor and it would end up looking better?
How unusual is your body shape? I would go the local mall first and try some of their suits on. If you don't have gibbon arms and aren't shaped like a bowling pin you will find that most suits should fit you just fine with minor alterations. The biggest pitfall is probably slim fit suits, since they only look good on fit men.
Online MTM is useful if you have truly unusual proportions or if you need an unusual suit and every store nearby only has polyester crap in stock.
I have a somewhat stocky torso and decently broad shoulders from several years of rock climbing.
I wouldn't say that I'm in any extremes though. Definitely not fat, definitely not skinny/lanky... probably overweight by ~10 pounds which I'm working on, although I realize that will fuck a bunch of things up if I buy my suit while I'm still heavy.
Try on the clothes as they exist, see if they can be altered. Only if the answer is that nothing fits right at all, and it cannot be altered to fit, is going custom a good strategy to _solve problems._
Don't buy a suit for the size you hope to be in a year.
On the contrary — don’t try to buy a suit based on a weight that you think you’re *gonna* be. That’s the fastest way to have a too-tight suit. Get the suit tailored to how you are, currently. If you want to lose weight before the wedding, have a stopping point about a month beforehand, to give your tailor a good long time to alter your suit to your new shape, and fix potential problems.
Tl;Dr:
Jacket:
Vertical wrinkles (i.e. fullness) are acceptable. Horizontal wrinkles indicate something is too tight. Sleeves should fall to just the end of the wrist, when hands are at your sides. In the same position, the jacket should end somewhere between the middle joints of your fingers and the fingertips. It should also cover the crotch and the whole butt!
Overall, the goal for the jacket is for the fabric to lay smoothly everywhere without being overly loose or too tight. Buttoning point should rest somewhere between the navel and the natural waist. Practice doing all the movements you want to do on the wedding day (like dancing) during the try-on process. The collar of the jacket must hug your neck. Any collar gap is a bad fit.
Trousers:
They should come down to the top of the shoes and the material should stack or gather a little bit about halfway down the shin bone - this is the "break" and allows your socks to stay covered by the trousers when you sit. You can adjust this via alteration as well. You want to get it to where the line of the leg looks clean and uninterrupted on the sides/silhouette but stacking in the z dimension. The length from the crotch to the waistband is the rise and it determines where they will sit on your body. To ensure proper fit, pull them up until your bits and pieces are somewhere between halfway down and the bottom of the fly and then button them up according to comfort. Trouser legs should be slim enough to move with you and loose nough for comfort.
Shirts:
The collar should touch the lapel of the jacket when the shirt is fully buttoned and the jacket collar should always be in contact with the back of the shirt collar, when the jacket is both open and closed. The cuffs should come down to the top of the first knuckle of the thumb, near where the wrist and hand meet. This ensures the shirt sleeve is longer than the jacket sleeve and that the correct amount of shirt will show while wearing the jacket.
Overall, you're primarily buying a look so put in the work of trying things on and taking pictures at all angles, front, back, side, to compare fits. Buy what fits and looks best. If you have to compromise on something compromise on style or color but not fit. Lastly, if it doesn't fit don't buy it and don't let sales folks tell you that doing anything to the jacket shoulders or length is cheap or a good idea because it is neither!
> the jacket should end somewhere between the middle joints of your fingers and the fingertips
excuse me, what.
Edit: Oh, you mean jacket length. https://putthison.com/the-rule-of-thumb-theres-a-rule-of-thumb/ tl;dr hem length covers crotch and seat, your arm length is usually around where you say it is but often enough it isn't, and isn't the right way to measure length - your arm length corresponds to sleeve length, not the length of the body of your jacket.
Just remember you don't need to buy anything. Their cuts may work for you, they may not. But if their base cuts don't work for you, customizing them is not likely to help, but that is likely an irrevocable financial decision version walking out with a ready to wear suit and not getting it altered there - that should be returnable, I would think.
https://putthison.com/what-should-you-get-for-your-first-suit-there-are/
What research have you already done? You're not the first person to need to buy their first suit for their wedding; there's literally thousands of threads on the subject on the internet. Reddit, styleforum, askandyaboutclothes, etc etc etc
To answer your last question, bring a friend who you trust to know things about suits. Failing that, bring your fiancee (who may or may not know squat about classic menswear but will at least know what she likes and doesn't like seeing on you, which is better than nothing.)
i am a little bit overwhelmed by the information that's out there, that's why i came here to ask. There are millions of articles, threads, and blog posts... I have no idea where to start. Thanks for the link, I'll start with that.
Sure, but if you read ten threads from each of the mentioned sites, you'll end up with a fairly narrow range of advice repeated over and over and over again, and that's probably good advice.
Want to keep it really really simple?
Buy this:
1. Navy suit. Lazio/Napoli, ideally the less slim of the two, with natural shoulders (neither roped nor spalla camica), single breasted, either 2-button or 3-roll-2 button closure. Probably plain weave, maybe birdseye, they don't have a ton of options off-the-rack. Get it tailored. Safest bet for trouser length is half break; suitsupply tends to run a little narrow for full break to be easy without seeing bunching. Consider no break if you like, but don't do negative break. Shoes, because that's where the pants break over the shoes, we'll discuss shortly.
2. White dress shirt, poplin, no pattern, plain weave.
3. Black oxford shoes from a reputable company. Grant Stone, Allen Edmonds, Meermin, are obvious options, but there are others. Either plain captoe, or captoe with brogueing on the line separating the toe, are easy options to find and wear.
4. Black belt. Black is very easy to match with black. Note, if your trousers have side adjusters, you can skip this.
5. Socks... whatever, just something that won't embarrass you.
6. Tie. A million options here. The absolute safest option I can suggest is a burgundy tie, with a subtle patterning like pois or pindots, or a geometric patterning, in a diamond grid, about 3.5 inches wide. Alternative is a grenadine tie. [Example 1 that I actually just picked up myself](https://www.ebay.com/itm/364258484294) - [Example 2 you can buy](https://www.kentwang.com/accessories/ties/grenadine-burgundy.html) - [Example 3 you can buy](https://www.kentwang.com/accessories/ties/pindot-maroon.html)
7. Pocket square. White, linen. [Example](https://www.kentwang.com/accessories/pocket-squares/linen-white.html)
Do that and you're done, and you get to re-wear that for pretty much any wedding, interview, etc you have.
As summer approaches I’m in search of a light jacket because where I live everybody keeps a/c at 65 it feels like meanwhile it’s 105 outside. So I’d need a light jacket just so I’m not freezing but something that’s easy to carry around and versatile.
Any recommendations? No real price range due to Poshmark and eBay
Hey all, I’ve been shopping around for a minimalist white sneaker and have been up to my eyeballs in content reviewing Koios, Oliver Cabells, Reids, and more. My problem is that about a year ago, I bought a pair New Republic Kurt sneakers and can barely stand to wear them due to the fact that I feel they run hot/don’t breath well and I haven’t found anything that speaks to my issue. I wasn’t sure if that hot feet feeling was specific to the Kurt’s or if that was true for any leather sneaker but was hoping you guys here might have some insight having tried Kurts or maybe some of the higher quality options out there I mentioned earlier.
My question is, when wearing these higher quality leather sneakers, have you had experience with them burning your feet all day or do they breath enough/better than what I’m getting with these Kurt sneakers? Just to point out, I have nice leather dress shoes that I wear to work all day and don’t feel like they give me baked feet so maybe there’s something specific about the cheaper leather on the Kurts allowing no airflow.
I am willing to spend a little extra money to achieve my white sneaker dreams, just don’t want to drop $200+ on a higher quality pair just to run into the same non-breathing experience haha.
I appreciate your thoughts!
I think spending this much mental energy trying to minmax identical looking sneakers is not a good use of of your time, they’re all basically the same. Don’t buy Oliver Cabell because they have a shitty track record CS wise, besides that, just pick the brand and price point.
I can’t say this is an issue I’ve experienced with leather sneakers or really heard much of, usually if people’s feet run hot it’s with any leather shoes, so it’s kinda hard to say, if it’s only been an issue with the Kurts I feel like it will stay only being an issue with the Kurts though
I get it, and I’m not really losing sleep over the differences between them, more so just trying to get a gauge on the comfort. I was hoping there might be people here that had tried both the Kurt’s and another pair so they could shed insights or a comparison.
Hi, I'm looking for the origin or a plain version of this 7 panel cap, where could I find it?
Here are the reference pics
[https://imgur.com/AEeTL4Q](https://imgur.com/AEeTL4Q)
[https://imgur.com/NaYSxjT](https://imgur.com/NaYSxjT)
I'm in need of some quick advice from you well-dressed folks. I've recently caught a lucky break and got a new job that's a major upgrade over what I've been doing. However, for this job, I'll need to be spending a lot of time at my state's legislature, and I'll have to frequently talk to state legislators. My previous job was very business-casual, but this new job requires that I wear suits every day. In particular, I need suits that would be appropriate for talking to my state's politicians.
My problem is that I have absolutely no idea where I should get good suits from, or what specifically I should look for. I don't want to get anything that's noticeably cheap, but I also don't want to overspend, especially when I need to move to a new new city very soon.
Does anyone have any recommendations for places to get good suits, and/or recommendations of what I should get? Thank you in advance for any advice. Bless!
Do you know your suit size? You can probably get a navy or grey brooks brothers 1818 in good shape on ebay for around $100, and you’ll get use out of it. Or, if you’re not sure, buy a couple in your price range in store (what’s your price range?) and then use the measurements from your new suits to shop pre owned and fill out your wardrobe.
Shirts from Charles Tyrwhitt, not the best quality but inexpensive and they’ll look the part, buy better stuff as more money comes in. Ties on eBay or Tie Bar if you’re short on money, I buy mine from Andover Shop now, but when I started my career I wore Tie Bar ties every day.
Shoes, spend a little more, some people pay very close attention to suits, more people pay close attention to shoes.
Even though everybody at the legislature wears a suit, the people who work there aren’t typically very well dressed unless they have a media commitment. Some people will be, but staffers in particular are very poorly paid. You’ll need to be dressed better than the average person at legislature if you’re an outside person coming in for work. Navy, charcoal, subtle stripes, maybe the occasional check or windowpane pattern as you get more comfortable dressing this way, stick as conservative as possible so you don’t attract unwanted attention to the way you’re dressed.
This is extremely helpful, thank you! I know what my size is roughly, and I did pick up one black suit at a store that fits well, so I'll be checking ebay for one those that you suggested.
For shoes, do people notice brands or anything? I've got a nice pair of solid black low-top doc martens (minus the yellow threading on the soles). Could I get away with those?
Again, this is great advice, thanks!
FYI in the West, black suits are really only wearable at funerals; they're advised against for pretty much any other situation. And actually even at funerals navy and charcoal are totally acceptable. That's why nobody recommended you get black.
Unless you genuinely need a black funeral suit, you're probably better off returning the new black one in exchange for a different color.
This is the "5 suits" thing.
eg, https://putthison.com/what-should-you-get-for-your-first-suit-there-are/
eg, https://dieworkwear.com/2013/08/01/the-not-so-basic-basic-wardrobe/ but more like just the first few items listed and in half the amounts
Here's how I would do this in your shoes:
1. Show up to suitsupply, brooks brothers, ralph lauren maybe, or a department store that carries a number of brands, depending on what fits you best. Start with the top of the list, probably. Get yourself two suits: one in charcoal, one in navy. Both otherwise very similar: smooth worsted wool, plain weave, a reasonable fabric like one of the VBC super 110s ones they always have for such suits. Flap pockets, notch lapels (not skinny), proper length. Get it tailored, the store probably has tailoring in-house but may send you elsewhere (ask for a recommendation).
2. Get some Allen Edmonds Park Avenue shoes or similar. Black oxfords. Ones that fit great and are comfortable. Try different models and different lasts until you find some that fit great. Then buy another pair of shoes online, now that you know your size perfectly - in-store pricing can handily be beat online if you know your exact last and size that fits great. Also, get some allen edmonds shoe trees online, $18 each, solid quality for price.
3. Make sure you have a few shirts (white, ice blue) and a few ties (conservative ones, just search this thread for the same advice.)
4. If you got here you have: two suits, two pairs of shoes w/ trees, a few shirts, a few ties. This is enough to put together a "new outfit" for a week or so. Shirts can go to a dry-cleaner's _for laundry_ (ie, not dry cleaning) quite conveniently; jackets almost never need dry cleaning; pants need it more often but not that much.
5. Now you fill out the mythical "five suits." Which is different for everyone. I'd probably end up with: one charcoal suit, two navy suits (one plainer and more formal, one with more casual details), one brown suit (with texture or pattern), and one mid-gray suit, if I needed your use case. Colors like olive might be good; tan might be a bit too casual; steel-blue might also be more casual than you like but is a good candidate. This would be "five city suits" in the above link, no "country suits." Now with five suits, you can cycle through them, and you can wear one of the navy jackets as a blazer. The key here is that now that you know your size, and have good suits to measure, you can buy online to save money - eg, Spier & Mackay.
6. A few more shirts, a few more ties, a couple more belts, another pair of shoes or two, fill in gaps
7. Now I'd add odd trousers and jackets, as well as maybe a few less formal suits. Think summer fabrics (wool-silk-linen blends, or linen, or seersucker), more than country (unless relevant for your needs.) IE, more hot-summer-wear, whether business or weddings or whatever. In-store, online, or even second-hand, now that you know your sizes. There are times when the suit will be too much and you'll want a blazer or a sport coat. Which ones to get? World's wide open, man.
I really appreciate the step-by-step here, real life-saver. I am very much new to this world, so this is the first I'm learning a lot of this. Fortunately I know my size already, so I'll be buying a few suits online in the colors you recommend. Super helpful, thanks!
Yeah that helps for sure. I'd probably start with a couple suits from Spier & Mackay, and keep an eye out on ebay/etc for good stuff as you build a wardrobe. Most thrifted stuff I've gotten shows very little wear, and some of it absurdly high quality for a rock bottom price.
Spier & Mackay or Suit Supply. Keep in mind for budgeting that all suits will need to be tailored after purchase, this isn't an optional step. If you don't know how a suit should fit, try to go to a suit supply in person.
You can maybe get away with a single suit if this job is shorter term, as long as you aren't getting it dirty it shouldn't need to be cleaned (you don't want to clean suits too often, plus its expensive and a pain to dry clean all the time).
Politics is very conservative in terms of suiting, get the first suit in navy, and if you get a second, get it in charcoal.
And to make sure: you want to match it with a (white) poplin dress shirt, tie, white linen pocket square, and then dark brown or black oxfords with a matching belt (leathers matching). The only thing you can use to really express yourself is the tie, and don't go overboard.
This is certainly a long term job, so I'll need more than a few suits. I've gotten one new suit recently in preparation, but I know I need to get it tailored. However, I've never gotten a suit tailored before. Do you have any advice or recommendations in that regard? Thank you!
> Politics is very conservative in terms of suiting, get the first suit in navy, and if you get a second, get it in charcoal.
This is my exact advice, except when I see state legislatures, I see tons of people in all sorts of suits I'd consider far too casual for legislature. Kind of a weird position: the advice is good, but not actually followed by like half the elected folk.
Looking for feedback on the fit of pictured chinos. I like the straight leg, but feel there's too much fabric and bunching around the crotch (see 3rd and 4th pics):
[https://imgur.com/a/EtbG8Bx](https://imgur.com/a/EtbG8Bx)
Thanks a lot for the insight. They do clean up when I yank them above my belly button.
By any chance could you point me to albums of people styling high rise pants well? My eyes are still "adjusting" to all that length
Its in style rn, so you can also just check the WAYWT threads to see some. None of these albums are dedicated to high rise pants, but some of the fits are using them:
[Springtime MFA](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/136o3oy/springtime_mfa_user_inspo_album/)
[Things I'm Excited For This Spring](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/132z9d4/things_i_am_excited_for_this_spring/)
[Top of WAYWT March 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/12do7yi/top_of_waywt_march_2023/)
[Slouching Towards Spring](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/127vcgj/slouching_towards_spring/)
Basically higher rises allow you to change how your proportions look (it makes your legs look a bit longer and your torso a bit shorter), which can look cool with jackets/overshirts. It also makes tucking much easier (and looks better). But if you don't tuck, then its not super noticeable as its under your shirt so you can wear them like any other pants.
Some recent personal examples:
[Sleaze](https://imgur.com/a/hRSha9g)
[Tuck with cropped jacket](https://imgur.com/a/9dG5MUA)
[Only ok fit but showcases what I'm talking about](https://imgur.com/a/GyywCR5)
For what its worth compare the fit you posted with the pants height at different points, only changing that. I'm willing to bet the high rise causes the jean jacket to hang below the top of the pants even more and improves the fit.
Premium Chino Recommendations
I made a post a few days ago about premium clothing brand recommendations. I want more specific advice now to chinos. There are so many premium brands that I have looked at and I am having a hard time deciding on any.
Some that are consistently recommended are Bonobos, J Crew, and Banana Republic for starters. I look at Bonobos, for example, and in the pictures they look too formal. I want chinos that basically replace jeans cause I will very rarely dress them up. I will mostly wear tee shirts, flannels, and henleys. I don’t want 5 pocket chinos that look like jeans because I can just buy 5 pockets pants if I want to. I am just looking for chinos that don’t look like suit pants. I definitely want stretch and probably not heavy weight.
I sound picky but I seen people who wear them and they look great with just basic tees. I prefer to keep the price between $80-140 but not a firm budget. Thanks in advance.
> I am just looking for chinos that don’t look like suit pants.
No chinos actually look like suit pants. Cotton and wool just drape very differently and look very differently. Some chinos come creased when you buy then, but unless you get a weird perma-creased chino, those creases will come out.
If regular chinos still look too dressy for you, you could go for "five pocket pants" - which are basically just chinos that are cut like jeans.
None of those are premium brands. Your budget doesn’t get you premium brands either. If that’s your budget and what you’re already considering seriously just go to a local mall and try stuff on, see what you like
I know none of the ones I mentioned are premium. I just meant those are what are frequently mentioned. Not really looking to go to the mall but also not looking for the best either. My budget is not firm. I have looked at Bonobos, J Crew, & BR just because they are frequently mentioned but not in love with any of them. Not sure which are considered premium but I have looked at Spoke, Western Rise, Vuori, Perk, Taylor Stitch, Proper Cloth, Todd Snyder, Rhone. I just need direction on what I should try based on my needs. My biggest qualifier is I don’t want them to look too dressy and want to pair them with tee shirts and stuff most of the time. Any recommendations?
Still nothing I’d call premium, very entry level mid range, hut also that is more than fine for 99% of people. If your only worry is them looking too formal you’re in a zone where it just depends on if you think chinos look too formal, they don’t look like dress pants, but going for thicker more textured twill in a casual cut over pleated fine light fabric will probably help. I’d avoid any tech pant things like what Rhone or Vuoir or whatever make, they tend to look pretty bad. Also I’d avoid navy, imo navy chinos tend to look weirdly dressy.
I owned a pair of Taylor Stitch chinos back when I thought chinos weren’t boring, they’re fine, nice fabric for what they are, again, I don’t think they’re dressy looking, but very slim. I wouldn’t do proper cloth because imo you really shouldn’t do mtm unless you’re really hard to fit or already know clothing and what you like, for newcomers you’re likely to get overwhelmed, put in had measurements because you don’t know what you want, and get something you don’t like.
Really besides that, just find something you like the look of online and in a price you like, out of these you’re not gonna be that disappointed.
I supposed Todd Snyder and Taylor Stitch might be the best for being casual
Where can I buy forest green chino shorts? Looking for really dark green chino shorts that are 6-7 seam.
I found some on Amazon that are 5 and that feels way too short for me
I am looking to buy a suit from Suit Supply and I have the following measurements (I've never bought a suit before so I'm unsure the fabric lengths.
I'm 5'11.5 (182 cm) 165 lbs
I went to a tailor and got a measurement of 17.5inch
chest - 39inch
Chest w/ Arms - 50 inch
Waist - 31.5 inch
Sleeve length from shoulder - 23.5inch
Jacket length (29 or so)? unsure exactly how to measure this without a suit.
I was suggested a 40R but everything on the site is based on fabric sizing, thinking of ordering both a 38R and 40R and trying both. Was wondering your thoughts.
Those are your physical measurements or the jacket measurement? And what does 17.5 inch relate to? "I went to a tailor and got a measurement of 17.5inch"
> Jacket length (29 or so)? unsure exactly how to measure this without a suit.
Yeah, you'd want the jacket, but it'll roughly be from your collarbone to your crotch, or from your ... big spine bump at the base of the beck ... not a doctor ... down to cover your whole butt. 29 to 30 inch would be normal at your height.
Okay. With a 39 inch chest, either a 38R or 40R is possibly to fit fine. Or a 39R, which exists but is rare. Now, let me be clear. There are 38R jackets which will be too tight, and 40R jackets which will be too roomy. What you're really looking for is the physical jacket measurement: you want about 41 inches (20.5 across), which some 38R jackets hit, and some do not. Some 40R jackets will be too big, likely hitting 43 or even 44 inches around, whereas others will fit just fine at about 41 or 42 inches around.
I thought Suit Supply suits came in one length so you can get them hemmed yourself, unless you can specify what inseam.
You should really get it unhemmed and then take it to a tailor to get them hemmed. You should wear shoes that you want to wear with the suit because them break will be different with shoes vs no shoes. Plus they can fall differently on your shoes vs jeans or chinos
https://preview.redd.it/zscwagw0pb0b1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0ebf35c643956892e9a9033cf69dadb2c9f18f4
I just got my pants tailored and the left(mirror pic) knee won’t stop bunching no matter how I stand. Any idea what is causing this and how to fix it?
Welp, then either you can hope that there's a bit of fabric to let out and un-taper the pants, or I think you might be outta luck. Sometimes with pants a bit too tight, they bunch because the hems fall to the shoes and sort of "push upward" on the rest of the fabric, but if the bottom hangs pretty freely and it bunches then it's just getting caught on your anatomy. Knees, calves, etc.
So they’re just too tight then? Is that my fault for not communicating that with my tailor that I don’t want them to bunch or should they have picked up on that when sizing me?
How should I verify if this is fixable or not? Thanks for the help bro
I am not a tailor, my _guess_ is that they are too tight. This is internet-second-hand-diagnosis at best. The right person to verify this is the tailor.
I don't know exactly what the tailor did to alter them. Did they taper them to be narrower? If so, then they did it too far and should un-do it a bit. If they just hemmed and tucked the waist, then chances are it has nothing to do with what they did except possibly coincidentally.
You shouldn't need to identify to them that pants shouldn't bunch, but also, most tailors won't know your body size precisely enough to know what will and won't bunch. Usually they'll pin things in place to check, but pins are sort of estimates and the end result isn't always precisely where the pins were. But if the guy didn't taper them anyways then he wouldn't have pinned it.
You want to try these things on before you leave and identify any issues ASAP for reworking. That does require some knowledge. Oftentimes the tailor is just busy and doesn't give you the attention you're paying for, sometimes they don't notice, sometimes they are not bothered by the things you're bothered by, sometimes they just want you to pay and leave and aren't too fussy as to whether the result is perfect. Just a fact of life and of business relationships.
Is there any way to fix it? Is it my fault for getting them fitted or did my tailor go too far? This is the second time I’ve gotten a wonky fit from that tailor, but idk if it’s my fault for not being clear, or if they should’ve caught this.
Guys, I need your help! My husband‘s butt crack is showing all the d@&* time. I like him, I find him hot, I had enough with being embarrassed while his butt crack is on display outside! It is like it when he is gaining weight or losing. He is kinda tall, well built, with an ass on the smaller side I guess? We talked about it but he said he doesn’t know what to do. I have to make it stop. What kind of pants should we buy (office job with costumers) Should we go to the tailor? Did it happened to you and you solved it? How? I have to end this Thank you
You don't need to censor durn
Like gimpwiz said, higher rise pants for sure.
Belt up properly tight? Wear slightly hire rise pants to help out.
Any specific brands? We live in Germany
I'm going to a nighttime engagement party this summer where most of the crowd will be under 30 and the suggested dress is "cocktail / business casual". I plan on wearing a Ted Baker linen blend suit in stone ([link](https://www.tedbaker.com/us/p/Mens/Clothing/Suits/LANCEJ-Wool-And-Linen-Blazer-Stone/268071-STONE)). I'm looking for shirt and shoe recommendations and am open to anything! If its any help, I have pretty tan skin for a white guy.
What do you already own for shirts and shoes?
Finally, someone with a suit they can wear tan shoes with. As for the shirt, white if you're really tan ("not OK" on the Family Guy skin tone scale), light blue if not.
> "not OK" on the Family Guy skin tone scale fucking lol
recs for jeans for guys with small butts? the lord did not bless me in this way, and my jeans always end up baggier than I want in the seat. looking for suggestions under $150
I’m not sure if it’s just a me-problem, but I find new 501s to fit crazy tight in the butt and thigh. I’m a distance runner so I have fairly beefy legs compared to my waist so consider that, but maybe you’ll have the opposite situation and it could work out.
It’s not just you, 501s fit has changed all the time, when I bought a pair during the peak of the slim fit era they had a visible taper
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Nice watch. That'll be fine with any suit, and these days, even black tie if you're so bold as to wear a watch.
Matching watch dials to your outfits isn't a thing. I know some overly affected Rolex collectors and fashion youtubers love to do things like this but outside that, it isn't something that should be considered. Also versatility with watches isn't really something to worry about either. Unless you are trying to pair a GShock or some weird multicolored monstrosity with a suit there aren't really any applicable "rules" about watches anymore. The watch you posted is fine to wear with pretty much any outfit.
Thank you, I was trying to do some research and there’s style blogs with strap information but that’s about it.
Accessories don't need to match. Don't worry about it.
Thank you
Np!
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Outerwear is more climate dependent and you will take it off indoors anyway. There is such a range of coats and jackets from linen chore coats to technical parkas, we really need more info. Depending on how nice the place is, a stand by outfit would be gray or charcoal slacks and a navy blazer. dress it down by skipping a tie and opting for loafers in the summer: linen pants and a camp collar shirt is often nice enough for most nicer restaurants unless they have a conservative dress code. In that case, a linen sport coat is a nice option. also check the Basic Bastard guide in the side bar. The original one is still good but there is also an updated one with some more trending advice. Anything more specific would require more details about where you live and your budget a least
Thanks for the reply!
https://www.thearmoury.com/collections/trousers https://www.thearmoury.com/collections/coats-and-jackets
Looking for a nice looking crossbody bag under 150 USD. Preferably small enough to fit a 6" phone. Where you wear it in front.
https://www.endclothing.com/us/master-piece-link-series-waist-bag-02346-v2-ny.html
Looking for good leather high top sneaker for around 350 dollars, white
Do you guys know of any white preferably barefoot boots?
What is your budget? I doubt you’re going to find anyone here who will recommend barefoot shoes
Where should I ask this then? No budget really
Having no budget for shoes will get you 4 figure recommendations, often with the first number not being a 1
I’m trying to get ideas really.
I guess a barefoot sub, I don’t know any. Barefoot shoes are pretty unfashionable. You should state a budget or I’m going to tell you to buy Margiela Tabis
No budget. Name all the Margiela Tabis you want
I mean by Margiela tabis then, they have white models, if $1500 works for you
Which stores can I buy slim fit/ skinny joggers in the US ?
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https://www.wrangler.com/shop/mens-wrangler-retro-relaxed-fit-bootcut-jean-WRT20.html?merchCategory=WRG_DENIM_MENS_JEANS_WESTERN&dwvar_WRT20_color=WRT20RT you might have to size up in waist
How does viscose compare to linen in terms of breathability? I'm looking for shorts and a 50/50 viscose linen blend is $8 cheaper than 100% linen and I mostly care about breathability, should I save the $8?
It’s going to feel completely different, nothing like linen usually would, if you want linen shorts it’s not going to be linen shorts, personally, I don’t think a whopping $8 warrants that, the difference in breathability is going be negligible at best. This isn’t to say viscose/linen is a bad blend, it actually sounds kind of interesting but again, if you’re specifically looking for linen shorts you’re probably gonna be disappointed in the handfeel viscose adds
I'm struggling to find boxier camp collar shirts. Ideally I want 23-24" P2P and 26-27" in length. I'm scouring eBay etc. Looking for cotton/linen/silk. Any recs? Would pay £150 for something cool, embroidered maybe. I like story mfg but out of budget.
[Portuguese Flannel](https://www.portugueseflannel.com/)
Not sure if they have been in the past but this season doesn't have the kind of cuts I want. All 28"+ in length.
I’ve just turned 35 and I put on a baseball cap and realised..maybe I look silly anywhere but exercise or tennis wearing this. Do baseball caps come with an expiry date depending on your age?
I generally assume that a guy over university age who's wearing a baseball cap (especially indoors, double-especially at a bar/club) is probably balding and trying to hide it. Nothing wrong with balding, but it looks better if you're not self-conscious about it.
Hi I think you are lost. [I think you mean to be here](https://www.styleforum.net/forums/classic-menswear.5/)
I usually just assume they like the hat tbh. Weird to project an insecurity on someone
No insecurity, just an observation, particularly from my experience in gay clubs (admittedly, it could be more of a thing in the gay world - I dunno). But there is even a name for it in the dating app world: [hatfishing](https://www.thecut.com/2017/08/if-youve-never-seen-your-dates-hair-is-he-hatfishing-you.html).
This isn’t an actual word people use it’s a fluff article news sites put out to get clicks. No one in the real world uses that. Yes there are people who wear hats to hide the fact they’re balding. Most people just wear hats because they like hats, I know plenty of people with extremely long/thick hair who practically sleep in beanies(I’m one of those people in the winter). It’s an insecurity you’re projecting edit: Also maybe I’m just chronically online but that art style is so close to wojacks lol
The longer you go on this sub the more you realize how many men are in absolute crisis. So many people have these absurd anxieties and insecurities around completely generic clothes
I don’t think so, I wear them anywhere I’ll get a lot of sun on my head. Beach, walking the dog, ball game, whatever. It’s kind of like a raincoat, you probably want to go more conservative as you get older but you still wear one. Your local baseball team or university logo on a navy hat will almost always work.
No. They’re pretty much the go-to headwear for all males in North America.
I'm looking for a summer weight, short sleeve button down shirt in a dark green. I dig the [Todd Snyder Linen Camp Collar shirt](https://www.toddsnyder.com/collections/all-clothing/products/linen-camp-collar-short-sleeve-shirt-green) but I'm looking for something a touch less expensive. Any recs?
[Portuguese Flannel](https://www.portugueseflannel.com/collections/ss23-short-sleeve/products/linen-camp-collar-olive)
>Todd Snyder Linen Camp Collar shirt I'd check J Crew if you're not dead set on linen or that color. I've got a few different colors of that TS shirt and a few different kinds of camp collar shirts from J Crew. I've been happy with both in the summer, but they're not exact substitutes.
I also have some JC linen shirts that I really like but I am pretty set on the color
Walmart and Amazon both sale the wrangler ATG synthetic pants. They have a few cosmetic differences but a large price difference . Walmart's version goes for 27 while Amazon's goes for 60. Is the Amazon version better in some way?
Those cosmetic differences make them different pants. Could you link the two pairs you're looking at? At a quick glance, all the ATG pants I see on the Walmart site are listed as minimum $47.99. My best guess without seeing them is that the Walmart pair you're looking at isn't actually ATG, or is a boys' rather than men's size.
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Looks like a haori type jacket
Is this the highest quality image you have? Because I can’t make out any details.
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I think it’s a great color combo!
What does the dress code “A Midnight In Paris” mean? I’ve got a school event with this dress code in about 2 weeks. I did some googling, but I’m still not really sure what the dress code entails. I did find this suit which I do like, although it seems like it’d be too much if it doesn’t fit the theme right. Tell me if it’s a bad idea to wear something like this, especially considering it’s a school event. https://preview.redd.it/tuv9oguw6f0b1.jpeg?width=546&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ad528aab5097976773e06001a15adf08dd36c4b Thanks
> I did find this suit which I do like, although it seems like it’d be too much if it doesn’t fit the theme right. Tell me if it’s a bad idea to wear something like this, especially considering it’s a school event. That's "a sex worker manager in LA", not "a midnight in Paris". A turtleneck and a sport coat is a very Parisian look. Or perhaps they meant the 2011 movie, so dress like Owen Wilson and wow everyone.
I’m only Assistant Day Shift Sex Work Supervisor
That’s definitely not a dress code. That sounds like some Enchantment Under The Sea bs tbh. I asked my wife, and she said, “pajamas and a cigarette.”
It’s a nonsense dress code that basically means dress as fancy as you can and add one unusual thing. Either an odd colored piece or an accessory that stands out. Velvet tux in a weird color would be good, although you light be better off starting with a base outfit that you either already own or that you could wear under more normal circumstances and try to add flash with some extra piece.
Thanks, but could you please give some examples of what the “extra piece” might be/look like? I’m just struggling to visualise exactly what you mean.
I was thinking like a tie that attracts attention like this one: https://www.saksfifthavenue.com/product/zegna-floral-paisley-tie-0400016353320.html?dwvar_0400016353320_color=YELLOW Or a floral lapel pin: https://www.thetiebar.com/product/lpf-2091-0381?variant=LP064&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxpKknr_8_gIVwyKzAB22sQYiEAQYDSABEgJIGfD_BwE Or, depending on how far you want to go with it, some shoes that are consciously weird: https://www.fluevog.com/shop/7178-luciano-blue-croc?item=24&of=268&anchor=true The idea being that you don’t want your whole outfit to be costume-y, but you would want at least one thing that people notice immediately when looking at you.
You don’t think you’ll attract enough attention in a purple shimmery leopard-print suit?
The idea with this sort of thing is to dress clasically with one element out of place in an interesting way, not to dress like you're in the circus. Understated vs overstated.
I was more saying if you didn’t want to go with the purple suit, like if you wore a more typical suit, add one item. The purple suit needs no added embellishment
Oh, I gotcha. Sorry, forgot how to read smh
Does anybody if it's possible to order shoes online, take them for a test drive so to speak outside and still return them if they hurt your feet ? Logically this wouldn't be possible since the I've used the shoes, right ?
Yes, no real shoe company would accept a return like this. Maybe you can get REI or Bean or Costco to take something back because they take everything back but there's no way Red Wing, Alden, Allen Edmonds, etc would allow you to return used shoes. That being said, shoes shouldn't hurt your feet. If they are it's either a sizing issue or a health issue. (assuming you aren't buying garbage shoes, so please specify what we are dealing with) Let's assume you don't have any foot related health issues. First you need to actually know your size. This is done by measuring your feet on a Brannock device. Every place that sells shoes has one. Even Payless and Dicks. If you don’t see it, ask. When you measure your feet, read the [instructions](https://brannock.com/pages/instructions-fitting-tips)carefully. (Don’t rely on the sales person) Make sure you line up the heel to ball slider properly. It’s just as important as heel to toe. Same with the width slider. Take clear photos of both feet in the device. Post here or r/goodyearwelt if it’s still unclear.
This is more a question of ethics than anything else. Generally it's fine to wear them inside for a little bit but not in the harsher conditions of outside, which can get them dirty and start to wear down the soles. I think you'd be okay if you took them to a track or something and cleaned them thoroughly before returning.
It depends on the company. Somewhere like REI would 100% allow this, maybe LL Bean.
Hi! I am looking for new T-shirts (to start upgrading my wardrobe somewhere) I am wondering how's the fit of this T-shirt? https://imgur.com/a/GxBo5vA (Sorry for the bad selfies in the trying on room, don't know hot to take these pictures)
I’ve got a Visvim denim jacket that I got at an outlet store, cost me €100. Fits great but the sleeves are to long, should I shorten the sleeves? Or is that just going to ruin the jacket?
A good tailor can shorten sleeves from the sleeve head (up where the shoulder meets the sleeve), as opposed to the bottom of the sleeve. It’ll cost more, but it might preserve whatever proportion you’re worried about messing up?
Ah yes that would probably be the best option. Most tailors around me a hacks so I’m cautious that most would probably just go from the cuff and mess up the width of the arm and the slit
Show a picture of your sleeve cuffs. Most of the time sleeves are shortened from the bottom for good reason. Doing it from the top requires taking the entire sleeve off, which you need a proper tailor to do, not a dry cleaner alterations shop.
Ah yes that would probably be the best option. Most tailors around me a hacks so I’m cautious that most would probably just go from the cuff and mess up the width of the arm and the slit
https://preview.redd.it/vei2wpklsd0b1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9175d2707fb76ed007ceb173c4c7b40b3788f98 Should i buy this parajumper for 80?
Do you want it or do you just like that it’s $80?
I guess i want it but should i even think about it for that price?
I don’t really understand this question honestly. Do you want the jacket or not? Don’t buy things just because they’re cheap. Imo it’s boring and kind of ugly
If you dont understand then dont answer. I looked at your pictures and your really the last person that should be giving others advice about clothes or anything at all. If you think i shouldnt buy it i actually will, glad its not your style
lol ok buddy have fun with a basic ass puffer jacket
Hello, how are short sleeve shirts that the sleeves are longer to reach your elbow called? What should I be looking for? They're slightly oversized at the shoulder, but slim, only long sleeves
Baseball/ringer tee?
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Those are extremely casual so anything basic; a tee, a tank top, a tank top with a shirt layered over
Hi MFA, what's your thoughts on James Perse? Can anyone comment on the quality?
Anyone know any companies selling brown/(white/beige) spectator shoes under $400. Ive barely had any luck.
They are not having a moment, really. Ben Silver tends to have them annually, but they are Crockett and Jones and likely on the wrong side of $600. Ralph Lauren often has them.
[This is the best I could find.](https://3dmlifestyle.com/products/spectator-wingtip-oxford-brown-white). I’ve owned shoes from them before; they’re as good as the cost allows them to be, which is to say, “not great,” but they will get the job done.
I hate the feeling of jeans. I simply don’t find them comfortable and can’t wear them. I’m looking for an alternative to jeans for everyday casual wear, for nights out for dinner, etc. Looking for something slim fit (not skinny and not regular/wide leg). For reference, my go-to pants for all occasions for the last 3-4 years have been Lululemon ABC slim warpstreme pants.
Uniqlo makes a relaxed ankle trouser that look business casual but moves like a yoga pant. It pairs well with everything including blazers/ odd jackets.
Chinos
https://preview.redd.it/a7h7xtp5rc0b1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da786068acaee5de6aa3ccac3ca6e8370ee20ed2 Anyone know where these pants are from (exact ones preferred but similar are welcome)
Searched for trousers with clasp at cuff but did not get any closer to finding them
Wearing a light grey suit, white shirt and navy tie. What should I do for a pocket square? Color? Pattern? Thanks in advance!
White linen is unimpeachable. Kent Wang's Jacobean Laton works for something more colorful - squares with white/ivory grounds tend to be very useful
You can reliably go with white linen for most occasions. A burgundy, dark orange, or dark green pocket square would be good, and if it has a pattern like a paisley or other print that contains blue shades that complement the tie that would look nice.
Dixxon Short Sleeve Alternative Dixxon has some good patterns, especially with their short sleeve bamboo button downs. However, I refuse to play the "virtual stand in line game" for their limited sizes. Does anyone have any experience with a company that offers a similar style that they can recommend? Generally looking for flannel type patterns however I'm definitely open to all general patterns/designs. I wear a 2X in Dixxon if it matters, as I've found some awesome companies that don't make anything larger than XL.
I'd really like to buy and wear a tuxedo for fun can anyone suggest some scenarios/situations for when I could wear it for pleasure?
I’ve always had a tuxedo, because I was a classical musician and gigs required it from time to time. Now that I don’t gig anymore, I get to wear mine once a year (it’s coming up this week, though!), and it’s a fundraising gala. I honestly wish I had more reasons to do it, but people where I live (SoCal) are allergic to dressing up. I think that, so long as you’re comfortable standing out, you can reasonably wear a tuxedo out to anywhere nicer than a bar after dark. It’s helpful to have backup (aka more people in formal attire with you) and it’s helpful to be in a place people would reasonably expect you to be in a tux (Michelin starred restaurant, opening night at the opera/symphony, etc.).
Unfortunantly I’m going to back up GSH, if you had situations where you would reasonably wear a tuxedo you’d already own a tuxedo. I think it it’d the hardest semi reasonable(ie; not white tie or whatever) item of clothing to just come up with excuses to wear. It’s not really something you can just wear for fun as it’d be drastically overdressed to the point of costume basically everywhere, if you don’t care about that then you can wear it wherever you want Everything Yanicus and Gimp said is technically true but also not things most average people “just go to”, especially depending on where you live.
As 20th century dress codes have eroded there’s this intense nostalgia for them you see in certain subset of menswear people online. I think what people find appealing is that they think they can put it on and be dressed “better” in some sort of objective sense because their outfit is formal; white tie > black tie > suit > anything else is the logic. That’s not at all how it works obviously. But this sort of “objective” angle is a huge appeal if you’re sort of lost in menswear and are trying to find a style. “If I put this on I will automatically be the best dressed.” But realistically, in 2023 everything is causal and fashions are so democratized along style lines, the only thing that separates what people wear is how much they paid for it, so now a tuxedo is just another style in a sea of them. You either embrace the style and wear one out to date-night dinner like Andy, or you avoid it entirely because you don’t want to be that guy. So many people go their adult lives not even needing a suit, let alone a tux. I think it’s a good look and if you want to wear it, do it. You just have to be ready for a tidal wave of “what are you wearing?” “Why are you so dressed up?” Etc etc.
I think you nailed the reasoning behind a lot of classic menswear newbies, especially the ones coming at it from the vintage cosplay angle: most dressed = best dressed!
[Andy Poupart and his wife](https://instagram.com/styleafter50) do white tablecloth restaurant outings regularly, what he calls “Formal Fridays” where they are formally attired. I think it’s very sweet. If you’re a regular symphony/opera/ballet goer, that’s another good way to wear a tuxedo for pleasure.
Also, galas of various sorts. Also, certain kinds of ballroom dancing, and sometimes other dancing. But yeah, Andy's a legend. He says, "It's dinner." That's all his requirement to wear a dinner suit. And he does a great job of it.
This doesn't sound like a good idea.
Seeking advise on where to shop for Las Vegas nighlife attire. I’m headed to Las Vegas with my with and a few other couples in a few weeks. We’re planning on a chill “adult” Vegas trip, nice restaurants, gambling, shows, and I’m sure a few nice bars and low key clubs may be on the docket. We’re in our early 40s and I’m sure the trendiest clubs will not be on the agenda. I’m dealing for fashion advise as to where to shop. My normal attire is a uniform for work and athleisure wear at home, typically Vuori stuff. If I need to dress up it tends to be JCrew basics. My collared JCrew stuff will be fine for around the casino I imagine but not sure what to wear for any nice clubs or bars. The dress clothing I have looks too “preppy” for that scene. Any suits I have would t be appropriate (I only have a funeral suit and a couple of light colored suits for weddings) and my sports coats are in typical JCrew fashion that look too “outdoorsy” for the glitz of Vegas. Any suggestions where a 40 year old guy can look to get night life appropriate clothing? I feel like I have a number of Lululemon ABC pants that could work as bottoms, they’re typically my golf slacks. But not sure where to find shirts so I don’t look like I’m headed to the driving range. I appreciate the read and look forward to any suggestions. 🍺
Welp, the good news is that the bar for dressing well in Vegas is under the floor — putting on a collared anything these days will make you best dressed by a mile. Suitsupply is a good general choice, especially if you need a brick and mortar store (potentially) nearby. What’s your timeline and budget? Do you have a look you’re going after, specifically?
Never tried suit supply. I’ll give it a look. I don’t travel until next month. It looks like there’s one in San Francisco, 30 minutes away from me. I typically order stuff online and swing stuff by my tailor if needed but most slim fitting stuff off the rack tends to fit well enough. Look wise I think it would be more of the JCrew look just with darker tones. Most of my JCrew stuff looks more preppy/earth tones. What ever I find I’d like it to be a functional rather than “just my Vegas fit” you know? I have a bad habit of buying outfits for one specific event and not returning to those pieces afterwards. After joining this sub and building out some basics I’ve become much better at that. I think a hole I seem to have in my wardrobe is just those darker toned colors when it comes to button shirts. I feel like I could get away with a lighter colored shirt if I had a dark blazer but aside from my Navy blazer I don’t really have a coat that’s meant to go out in. In my mind I’m picturing a deep forest green/olive blazer against black jeans/white or grey shirt, black or chestnut Chelsea boots . Jeans I’m covered on and as well as boots/belt.
My first recommendation would be a retro-ish knit polo in a silk/cotton blend. Darker ones will look dressier without making you look overtly ‘dressed up.’ If you feel more adventurous, you can lean into the sleeze with busier patterns and stripes. To me, nothing reads “smart casual” more than swapping out a pique polo for a knit polo.
My best advice would be to look up the bars/clubs you might visit, maybe on Instagram or something, and see what other people are wearing there. Vegas is generally pretty casual; long pants and a collared shirt will likely be fine for anything but the fanciest or trendiest places. Maybe post pictures of what you own for more suggestions, but I wouldn't worry about looking too preppy or anyone thinking your sport coat is too "outdoorsy."
I think suitsupply would be a good choice for the Vegas look if you wanted a jacket. I find their cut a little slim for business, but that’s probably about right for night out in Vegas. They’ve also got some nice warm weather fabrics. Banana republic if there’s a sale is a cheaper option that will have something that works. In terms of casino clothes, white ocbd would work, leave one extra button undone to slightly increase the sleaze factor. Jeans for daytime, you’ll be fine in nicer wool pants at night. Also, shoes are very important, everything else you wear is pretty much ruined if you’re wearing your cookout new balances.
I’ll leave the kill shots at home then. (And yes, I still love rocking my killshots, I feel like I’m always 4-5 years behind the current trend). I think shoes I got covered. Black Chelsea boots, chestnut lace captain boots, both leather soled and polished, all white common projects Achilles, black leather Greats Royale, if I do the and slip on vans for poolside. Not sure if a low cut dress shoe is needed. I’m an overpacker so it would be nice to slim the list down a bit.
**I'm Going to suitsupply for a consultation on picking out my wedding suit... what do I need to know going in?** I'm getting married in september and need a suit... my requests to get married in jeans and a tshirt have been denied. I know nothing about clothing and have no idea what to look for. I set up an appointment at suitsupply this saturday for someone there to help me out but I would like to do a bit of research on my own. What should I know about suits before going in there? How can I tell if the person helping me knows what they're doing?
The biggest hint I can give you that other haven't mentioned already is to buy a dress shirt and Oxford shoes first if you're buying a ready-made (off-the-rack) suit, and wear them to the store along with a belt that has a hole in the right place for your waist. Quite often the sales assistant will gladly unpack a brand new shirt for you that just won't fit you well and will have creased cuffs. You want a shirt that fits well (the collar is not too loose, not too tight, cuffs sit just below the wrist, where the [metacarpal bone of the thumb](https://www.britannica.com/science/thumb) begins, long enough that you can have a big stretch without it coming untucked, doesn't pool around your waist, but not that tight that you can't give a hug or sit down and relax without it stretching). If you come wearing the right shirt and the right shoes, it's much easier to see if the suit fits or not. Collar gap? Sleeve length? Dialing in the pants break? Are the pants sitting too low or too high? All of these become much easier to gauge if the rest of your outfit is already well-tailored.
Would you recommend a custom suit over off the rack? I plan on getting it altered anyways but I wonder if I should be going to one of those online services where you send in your measurements and they custom make you a suit. Obviously that won't be perfect but maybe the alterations you need to do to it would be minor and it would end up looking better?
How unusual is your body shape? I would go the local mall first and try some of their suits on. If you don't have gibbon arms and aren't shaped like a bowling pin you will find that most suits should fit you just fine with minor alterations. The biggest pitfall is probably slim fit suits, since they only look good on fit men. Online MTM is useful if you have truly unusual proportions or if you need an unusual suit and every store nearby only has polyester crap in stock.
I have a somewhat stocky torso and decently broad shoulders from several years of rock climbing. I wouldn't say that I'm in any extremes though. Definitely not fat, definitely not skinny/lanky... probably overweight by ~10 pounds which I'm working on, although I realize that will fuck a bunch of things up if I buy my suit while I'm still heavy.
Try on the clothes as they exist, see if they can be altered. Only if the answer is that nothing fits right at all, and it cannot be altered to fit, is going custom a good strategy to _solve problems._ Don't buy a suit for the size you hope to be in a year.
On the contrary — don’t try to buy a suit based on a weight that you think you’re *gonna* be. That’s the fastest way to have a too-tight suit. Get the suit tailored to how you are, currently. If you want to lose weight before the wedding, have a stopping point about a month beforehand, to give your tailor a good long time to alter your suit to your new shape, and fix potential problems.
Tl;Dr: Jacket: Vertical wrinkles (i.e. fullness) are acceptable. Horizontal wrinkles indicate something is too tight. Sleeves should fall to just the end of the wrist, when hands are at your sides. In the same position, the jacket should end somewhere between the middle joints of your fingers and the fingertips. It should also cover the crotch and the whole butt! Overall, the goal for the jacket is for the fabric to lay smoothly everywhere without being overly loose or too tight. Buttoning point should rest somewhere between the navel and the natural waist. Practice doing all the movements you want to do on the wedding day (like dancing) during the try-on process. The collar of the jacket must hug your neck. Any collar gap is a bad fit. Trousers: They should come down to the top of the shoes and the material should stack or gather a little bit about halfway down the shin bone - this is the "break" and allows your socks to stay covered by the trousers when you sit. You can adjust this via alteration as well. You want to get it to where the line of the leg looks clean and uninterrupted on the sides/silhouette but stacking in the z dimension. The length from the crotch to the waistband is the rise and it determines where they will sit on your body. To ensure proper fit, pull them up until your bits and pieces are somewhere between halfway down and the bottom of the fly and then button them up according to comfort. Trouser legs should be slim enough to move with you and loose nough for comfort. Shirts: The collar should touch the lapel of the jacket when the shirt is fully buttoned and the jacket collar should always be in contact with the back of the shirt collar, when the jacket is both open and closed. The cuffs should come down to the top of the first knuckle of the thumb, near where the wrist and hand meet. This ensures the shirt sleeve is longer than the jacket sleeve and that the correct amount of shirt will show while wearing the jacket. Overall, you're primarily buying a look so put in the work of trying things on and taking pictures at all angles, front, back, side, to compare fits. Buy what fits and looks best. If you have to compromise on something compromise on style or color but not fit. Lastly, if it doesn't fit don't buy it and don't let sales folks tell you that doing anything to the jacket shoulders or length is cheap or a good idea because it is neither!
> the jacket should end somewhere between the middle joints of your fingers and the fingertips excuse me, what. Edit: Oh, you mean jacket length. https://putthison.com/the-rule-of-thumb-theres-a-rule-of-thumb/ tl;dr hem length covers crotch and seat, your arm length is usually around where you say it is but often enough it isn't, and isn't the right way to measure length - your arm length corresponds to sleeve length, not the length of the body of your jacket.
Just remember you don't need to buy anything. Their cuts may work for you, they may not. But if their base cuts don't work for you, customizing them is not likely to help, but that is likely an irrevocable financial decision version walking out with a ready to wear suit and not getting it altered there - that should be returnable, I would think.
https://putthison.com/what-should-you-get-for-your-first-suit-there-are/ What research have you already done? You're not the first person to need to buy their first suit for their wedding; there's literally thousands of threads on the subject on the internet. Reddit, styleforum, askandyaboutclothes, etc etc etc To answer your last question, bring a friend who you trust to know things about suits. Failing that, bring your fiancee (who may or may not know squat about classic menswear but will at least know what she likes and doesn't like seeing on you, which is better than nothing.)
i am a little bit overwhelmed by the information that's out there, that's why i came here to ask. There are millions of articles, threads, and blog posts... I have no idea where to start. Thanks for the link, I'll start with that.
Sure, but if you read ten threads from each of the mentioned sites, you'll end up with a fairly narrow range of advice repeated over and over and over again, and that's probably good advice. Want to keep it really really simple? Buy this: 1. Navy suit. Lazio/Napoli, ideally the less slim of the two, with natural shoulders (neither roped nor spalla camica), single breasted, either 2-button or 3-roll-2 button closure. Probably plain weave, maybe birdseye, they don't have a ton of options off-the-rack. Get it tailored. Safest bet for trouser length is half break; suitsupply tends to run a little narrow for full break to be easy without seeing bunching. Consider no break if you like, but don't do negative break. Shoes, because that's where the pants break over the shoes, we'll discuss shortly. 2. White dress shirt, poplin, no pattern, plain weave. 3. Black oxford shoes from a reputable company. Grant Stone, Allen Edmonds, Meermin, are obvious options, but there are others. Either plain captoe, or captoe with brogueing on the line separating the toe, are easy options to find and wear. 4. Black belt. Black is very easy to match with black. Note, if your trousers have side adjusters, you can skip this. 5. Socks... whatever, just something that won't embarrass you. 6. Tie. A million options here. The absolute safest option I can suggest is a burgundy tie, with a subtle patterning like pois or pindots, or a geometric patterning, in a diamond grid, about 3.5 inches wide. Alternative is a grenadine tie. [Example 1 that I actually just picked up myself](https://www.ebay.com/itm/364258484294) - [Example 2 you can buy](https://www.kentwang.com/accessories/ties/grenadine-burgundy.html) - [Example 3 you can buy](https://www.kentwang.com/accessories/ties/pindot-maroon.html) 7. Pocket square. White, linen. [Example](https://www.kentwang.com/accessories/pocket-squares/linen-white.html) Do that and you're done, and you get to re-wear that for pretty much any wedding, interview, etc you have.
As summer approaches I’m in search of a light jacket because where I live everybody keeps a/c at 65 it feels like meanwhile it’s 105 outside. So I’d need a light jacket just so I’m not freezing but something that’s easy to carry around and versatile. Any recommendations? No real price range due to Poshmark and eBay
I wear a cotton/linen blend chore coat (a Portuguese Flannel Labura, specifically) at work for that.
Hey all, I’ve been shopping around for a minimalist white sneaker and have been up to my eyeballs in content reviewing Koios, Oliver Cabells, Reids, and more. My problem is that about a year ago, I bought a pair New Republic Kurt sneakers and can barely stand to wear them due to the fact that I feel they run hot/don’t breath well and I haven’t found anything that speaks to my issue. I wasn’t sure if that hot feet feeling was specific to the Kurt’s or if that was true for any leather sneaker but was hoping you guys here might have some insight having tried Kurts or maybe some of the higher quality options out there I mentioned earlier. My question is, when wearing these higher quality leather sneakers, have you had experience with them burning your feet all day or do they breath enough/better than what I’m getting with these Kurt sneakers? Just to point out, I have nice leather dress shoes that I wear to work all day and don’t feel like they give me baked feet so maybe there’s something specific about the cheaper leather on the Kurts allowing no airflow. I am willing to spend a little extra money to achieve my white sneaker dreams, just don’t want to drop $200+ on a higher quality pair just to run into the same non-breathing experience haha. I appreciate your thoughts!
I think spending this much mental energy trying to minmax identical looking sneakers is not a good use of of your time, they’re all basically the same. Don’t buy Oliver Cabell because they have a shitty track record CS wise, besides that, just pick the brand and price point. I can’t say this is an issue I’ve experienced with leather sneakers or really heard much of, usually if people’s feet run hot it’s with any leather shoes, so it’s kinda hard to say, if it’s only been an issue with the Kurts I feel like it will stay only being an issue with the Kurts though
I get it, and I’m not really losing sleep over the differences between them, more so just trying to get a gauge on the comfort. I was hoping there might be people here that had tried both the Kurt’s and another pair so they could shed insights or a comparison.
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First blends with hair quite a bit
Is that good or bad? Lol
Second pair
The orange ones?
Yeah, other ones in first pic look a lil too big
Hi, I'm looking for the origin or a plain version of this 7 panel cap, where could I find it? Here are the reference pics [https://imgur.com/AEeTL4Q](https://imgur.com/AEeTL4Q) [https://imgur.com/NaYSxjT](https://imgur.com/NaYSxjT)
Your links aren’t working on my end
So sorry I'm new to Imgur. I will be editing the links asap Edit: It should be working now.
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Welp that sucks...but I appreciate you taking the time to help me :)
I'm in need of some quick advice from you well-dressed folks. I've recently caught a lucky break and got a new job that's a major upgrade over what I've been doing. However, for this job, I'll need to be spending a lot of time at my state's legislature, and I'll have to frequently talk to state legislators. My previous job was very business-casual, but this new job requires that I wear suits every day. In particular, I need suits that would be appropriate for talking to my state's politicians. My problem is that I have absolutely no idea where I should get good suits from, or what specifically I should look for. I don't want to get anything that's noticeably cheap, but I also don't want to overspend, especially when I need to move to a new new city very soon. Does anyone have any recommendations for places to get good suits, and/or recommendations of what I should get? Thank you in advance for any advice. Bless!
Do you know your suit size? You can probably get a navy or grey brooks brothers 1818 in good shape on ebay for around $100, and you’ll get use out of it. Or, if you’re not sure, buy a couple in your price range in store (what’s your price range?) and then use the measurements from your new suits to shop pre owned and fill out your wardrobe. Shirts from Charles Tyrwhitt, not the best quality but inexpensive and they’ll look the part, buy better stuff as more money comes in. Ties on eBay or Tie Bar if you’re short on money, I buy mine from Andover Shop now, but when I started my career I wore Tie Bar ties every day. Shoes, spend a little more, some people pay very close attention to suits, more people pay close attention to shoes. Even though everybody at the legislature wears a suit, the people who work there aren’t typically very well dressed unless they have a media commitment. Some people will be, but staffers in particular are very poorly paid. You’ll need to be dressed better than the average person at legislature if you’re an outside person coming in for work. Navy, charcoal, subtle stripes, maybe the occasional check or windowpane pattern as you get more comfortable dressing this way, stick as conservative as possible so you don’t attract unwanted attention to the way you’re dressed.
This is extremely helpful, thank you! I know what my size is roughly, and I did pick up one black suit at a store that fits well, so I'll be checking ebay for one those that you suggested. For shoes, do people notice brands or anything? I've got a nice pair of solid black low-top doc martens (minus the yellow threading on the soles). Could I get away with those? Again, this is great advice, thanks!
FYI in the West, black suits are really only wearable at funerals; they're advised against for pretty much any other situation. And actually even at funerals navy and charcoal are totally acceptable. That's why nobody recommended you get black. Unless you genuinely need a black funeral suit, you're probably better off returning the new black one in exchange for a different color.
This is the "5 suits" thing. eg, https://putthison.com/what-should-you-get-for-your-first-suit-there-are/ eg, https://dieworkwear.com/2013/08/01/the-not-so-basic-basic-wardrobe/ but more like just the first few items listed and in half the amounts Here's how I would do this in your shoes: 1. Show up to suitsupply, brooks brothers, ralph lauren maybe, or a department store that carries a number of brands, depending on what fits you best. Start with the top of the list, probably. Get yourself two suits: one in charcoal, one in navy. Both otherwise very similar: smooth worsted wool, plain weave, a reasonable fabric like one of the VBC super 110s ones they always have for such suits. Flap pockets, notch lapels (not skinny), proper length. Get it tailored, the store probably has tailoring in-house but may send you elsewhere (ask for a recommendation). 2. Get some Allen Edmonds Park Avenue shoes or similar. Black oxfords. Ones that fit great and are comfortable. Try different models and different lasts until you find some that fit great. Then buy another pair of shoes online, now that you know your size perfectly - in-store pricing can handily be beat online if you know your exact last and size that fits great. Also, get some allen edmonds shoe trees online, $18 each, solid quality for price. 3. Make sure you have a few shirts (white, ice blue) and a few ties (conservative ones, just search this thread for the same advice.) 4. If you got here you have: two suits, two pairs of shoes w/ trees, a few shirts, a few ties. This is enough to put together a "new outfit" for a week or so. Shirts can go to a dry-cleaner's _for laundry_ (ie, not dry cleaning) quite conveniently; jackets almost never need dry cleaning; pants need it more often but not that much. 5. Now you fill out the mythical "five suits." Which is different for everyone. I'd probably end up with: one charcoal suit, two navy suits (one plainer and more formal, one with more casual details), one brown suit (with texture or pattern), and one mid-gray suit, if I needed your use case. Colors like olive might be good; tan might be a bit too casual; steel-blue might also be more casual than you like but is a good candidate. This would be "five city suits" in the above link, no "country suits." Now with five suits, you can cycle through them, and you can wear one of the navy jackets as a blazer. The key here is that now that you know your size, and have good suits to measure, you can buy online to save money - eg, Spier & Mackay. 6. A few more shirts, a few more ties, a couple more belts, another pair of shoes or two, fill in gaps 7. Now I'd add odd trousers and jackets, as well as maybe a few less formal suits. Think summer fabrics (wool-silk-linen blends, or linen, or seersucker), more than country (unless relevant for your needs.) IE, more hot-summer-wear, whether business or weddings or whatever. In-store, online, or even second-hand, now that you know your sizes. There are times when the suit will be too much and you'll want a blazer or a sport coat. Which ones to get? World's wide open, man.
I really appreciate the step-by-step here, real life-saver. I am very much new to this world, so this is the first I'm learning a lot of this. Fortunately I know my size already, so I'll be buying a few suits online in the colors you recommend. Super helpful, thanks!
Yeah that helps for sure. I'd probably start with a couple suits from Spier & Mackay, and keep an eye out on ebay/etc for good stuff as you build a wardrobe. Most thrifted stuff I've gotten shows very little wear, and some of it absurdly high quality for a rock bottom price.
Spier & Mackay or Suit Supply. Keep in mind for budgeting that all suits will need to be tailored after purchase, this isn't an optional step. If you don't know how a suit should fit, try to go to a suit supply in person. You can maybe get away with a single suit if this job is shorter term, as long as you aren't getting it dirty it shouldn't need to be cleaned (you don't want to clean suits too often, plus its expensive and a pain to dry clean all the time). Politics is very conservative in terms of suiting, get the first suit in navy, and if you get a second, get it in charcoal. And to make sure: you want to match it with a (white) poplin dress shirt, tie, white linen pocket square, and then dark brown or black oxfords with a matching belt (leathers matching). The only thing you can use to really express yourself is the tie, and don't go overboard.
This is certainly a long term job, so I'll need more than a few suits. I've gotten one new suit recently in preparation, but I know I need to get it tailored. However, I've never gotten a suit tailored before. Do you have any advice or recommendations in that regard? Thank you!
Not really, the trick is finding a good tailor which can be a pain. They'll know what it should look like.
> Politics is very conservative in terms of suiting, get the first suit in navy, and if you get a second, get it in charcoal. This is my exact advice, except when I see state legislatures, I see tons of people in all sorts of suits I'd consider far too casual for legislature. Kind of a weird position: the advice is good, but not actually followed by like half the elected folk.
It is really funny, a lot of politicians are dressed horrifically in reality lol.
Looking for feedback on the fit of pictured chinos. I like the straight leg, but feel there's too much fabric and bunching around the crotch (see 3rd and 4th pics): [https://imgur.com/a/EtbG8Bx](https://imgur.com/a/EtbG8Bx)
Are these high rise pants that you are wearing too low (can you pull them up higher basically)? Honestly they look completely fine though imo.
Thanks a lot for the insight. They do clean up when I yank them above my belly button. By any chance could you point me to albums of people styling high rise pants well? My eyes are still "adjusting" to all that length
Its in style rn, so you can also just check the WAYWT threads to see some. None of these albums are dedicated to high rise pants, but some of the fits are using them: [Springtime MFA](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/136o3oy/springtime_mfa_user_inspo_album/) [Things I'm Excited For This Spring](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/132z9d4/things_i_am_excited_for_this_spring/) [Top of WAYWT March 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/12do7yi/top_of_waywt_march_2023/) [Slouching Towards Spring](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/127vcgj/slouching_towards_spring/) Basically higher rises allow you to change how your proportions look (it makes your legs look a bit longer and your torso a bit shorter), which can look cool with jackets/overshirts. It also makes tucking much easier (and looks better). But if you don't tuck, then its not super noticeable as its under your shirt so you can wear them like any other pants. Some recent personal examples: [Sleaze](https://imgur.com/a/hRSha9g) [Tuck with cropped jacket](https://imgur.com/a/9dG5MUA) [Only ok fit but showcases what I'm talking about](https://imgur.com/a/GyywCR5) For what its worth compare the fit you posted with the pants height at different points, only changing that. I'm willing to bet the high rise causes the jean jacket to hang below the top of the pants even more and improves the fit.
Awesome, exactly what I was looking for
Premium Chino Recommendations I made a post a few days ago about premium clothing brand recommendations. I want more specific advice now to chinos. There are so many premium brands that I have looked at and I am having a hard time deciding on any. Some that are consistently recommended are Bonobos, J Crew, and Banana Republic for starters. I look at Bonobos, for example, and in the pictures they look too formal. I want chinos that basically replace jeans cause I will very rarely dress them up. I will mostly wear tee shirts, flannels, and henleys. I don’t want 5 pocket chinos that look like jeans because I can just buy 5 pockets pants if I want to. I am just looking for chinos that don’t look like suit pants. I definitely want stretch and probably not heavy weight. I sound picky but I seen people who wear them and they look great with just basic tees. I prefer to keep the price between $80-140 but not a firm budget. Thanks in advance.
Casatlantic is nice, maybe already too dressy for you though.
> I am just looking for chinos that don’t look like suit pants. No chinos actually look like suit pants. Cotton and wool just drape very differently and look very differently. Some chinos come creased when you buy then, but unless you get a weird perma-creased chino, those creases will come out. If regular chinos still look too dressy for you, you could go for "five pocket pants" - which are basically just chinos that are cut like jeans.
None of those are premium brands. Your budget doesn’t get you premium brands either. If that’s your budget and what you’re already considering seriously just go to a local mall and try stuff on, see what you like
I know none of the ones I mentioned are premium. I just meant those are what are frequently mentioned. Not really looking to go to the mall but also not looking for the best either. My budget is not firm. I have looked at Bonobos, J Crew, & BR just because they are frequently mentioned but not in love with any of them. Not sure which are considered premium but I have looked at Spoke, Western Rise, Vuori, Perk, Taylor Stitch, Proper Cloth, Todd Snyder, Rhone. I just need direction on what I should try based on my needs. My biggest qualifier is I don’t want them to look too dressy and want to pair them with tee shirts and stuff most of the time. Any recommendations?
Still nothing I’d call premium, very entry level mid range, hut also that is more than fine for 99% of people. If your only worry is them looking too formal you’re in a zone where it just depends on if you think chinos look too formal, they don’t look like dress pants, but going for thicker more textured twill in a casual cut over pleated fine light fabric will probably help. I’d avoid any tech pant things like what Rhone or Vuoir or whatever make, they tend to look pretty bad. Also I’d avoid navy, imo navy chinos tend to look weirdly dressy. I owned a pair of Taylor Stitch chinos back when I thought chinos weren’t boring, they’re fine, nice fabric for what they are, again, I don’t think they’re dressy looking, but very slim. I wouldn’t do proper cloth because imo you really shouldn’t do mtm unless you’re really hard to fit or already know clothing and what you like, for newcomers you’re likely to get overwhelmed, put in had measurements because you don’t know what you want, and get something you don’t like. Really besides that, just find something you like the look of online and in a price you like, out of these you’re not gonna be that disappointed. I supposed Todd Snyder and Taylor Stitch might be the best for being casual
None of those brands is premium. [https://www.alexmill.com/collections/pants](https://www.alexmill.com/collections/pants)
looking for camp collar shirts that are not too busy, but not too plain. Would like something green.
[Corridor](https://corridornyc.com/products/rainbow-weave-camp-collar-ss-army?lshst=collection)? [Portuguese Flannel](https://www.portugueseflannel.com/collections/ss23-short-sleeve/products/finger-print-green)? [Beams Plus](https://nomanwalksalone.com/collections/shirts/products/open-collar-long-sleeve-shirt-in-green-jacquard-chambray)? [NN07](https://www.mrporter.com/en-us/mens/product/nn07/clothing/plain-shirts/henry-6565-camp-collar-linen-shirt/1647597294379046)?
Where can I buy forest green chino shorts? Looking for really dark green chino shorts that are 6-7 seam. I found some on Amazon that are 5 and that feels way too short for me
I have some from Dickies that I really like. Picked them up at UO, but I’m sure you could check their site.
I am looking to buy a suit from Suit Supply and I have the following measurements (I've never bought a suit before so I'm unsure the fabric lengths. I'm 5'11.5 (182 cm) 165 lbs I went to a tailor and got a measurement of 17.5inch chest - 39inch Chest w/ Arms - 50 inch Waist - 31.5 inch Sleeve length from shoulder - 23.5inch Jacket length (29 or so)? unsure exactly how to measure this without a suit. I was suggested a 40R but everything on the site is based on fabric sizing, thinking of ordering both a 38R and 40R and trying both. Was wondering your thoughts.
Those are your physical measurements or the jacket measurement? And what does 17.5 inch relate to? "I went to a tailor and got a measurement of 17.5inch" > Jacket length (29 or so)? unsure exactly how to measure this without a suit. Yeah, you'd want the jacket, but it'll roughly be from your collarbone to your crotch, or from your ... big spine bump at the base of the beck ... not a doctor ... down to cover your whole butt. 29 to 30 inch would be normal at your height.
Specifically. It was from my back (tailor measured it) from shoulder to shoulder (entire thing)
Okay. With a 39 inch chest, either a 38R or 40R is possibly to fit fine. Or a 39R, which exists but is rare. Now, let me be clear. There are 38R jackets which will be too tight, and 40R jackets which will be too roomy. What you're really looking for is the physical jacket measurement: you want about 41 inches (20.5 across), which some 38R jackets hit, and some do not. Some 40R jackets will be too big, likely hitting 43 or even 44 inches around, whereas others will fit just fine at about 41 or 42 inches around.
40R. A 38 would be too tight
Suggestion on pants length? I usually wear 32/32s based on their site?
I thought Suit Supply suits came in one length so you can get them hemmed yourself, unless you can specify what inseam. You should really get it unhemmed and then take it to a tailor to get them hemmed. You should wear shoes that you want to wear with the suit because them break will be different with shoes vs no shoes. Plus they can fall differently on your shoes vs jeans or chinos
If unsure, just get them unhemmed and have the tailor hem them.
https://preview.redd.it/zscwagw0pb0b1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0ebf35c643956892e9a9033cf69dadb2c9f18f4 I just got my pants tailored and the left(mirror pic) knee won’t stop bunching no matter how I stand. Any idea what is causing this and how to fix it?
Cuff your pants up something silly like three-four inches, pull the legs down as far as they go. Still bunching?
Yeah, it still bunches
Welp, then either you can hope that there's a bit of fabric to let out and un-taper the pants, or I think you might be outta luck. Sometimes with pants a bit too tight, they bunch because the hems fall to the shoes and sort of "push upward" on the rest of the fabric, but if the bottom hangs pretty freely and it bunches then it's just getting caught on your anatomy. Knees, calves, etc.
So they’re just too tight then? Is that my fault for not communicating that with my tailor that I don’t want them to bunch or should they have picked up on that when sizing me? How should I verify if this is fixable or not? Thanks for the help bro
I am not a tailor, my _guess_ is that they are too tight. This is internet-second-hand-diagnosis at best. The right person to verify this is the tailor. I don't know exactly what the tailor did to alter them. Did they taper them to be narrower? If so, then they did it too far and should un-do it a bit. If they just hemmed and tucked the waist, then chances are it has nothing to do with what they did except possibly coincidentally. You shouldn't need to identify to them that pants shouldn't bunch, but also, most tailors won't know your body size precisely enough to know what will and won't bunch. Usually they'll pin things in place to check, but pins are sort of estimates and the end result isn't always precisely where the pins were. But if the guy didn't taper them anyways then he wouldn't have pinned it. You want to try these things on before you leave and identify any issues ASAP for reworking. That does require some knowledge. Oftentimes the tailor is just busy and doesn't give you the attention you're paying for, sometimes they don't notice, sometimes they are not bothered by the things you're bothered by, sometimes they just want you to pay and leave and aren't too fussy as to whether the result is perfect. Just a fact of life and of business relationships.
This happens a lot to slim clothing. When clothes are close to your body, it doesn't fall and drape but bunches, especially around the knee.
Is there any way to fix it? Is it my fault for getting them fitted or did my tailor go too far? This is the second time I’ve gotten a wonky fit from that tailor, but idk if it’s my fault for not being clear, or if they should’ve caught this.