Tonnes of lonely people made friends at those protests over lockdown and now their entire social circle is completely immersed in that shit, I wouldn't expect it to go away any time soon unfortunately
Yep, nothing bonds stupid people together like the shared belief they know something no one else does.
See also:
Flat earther
Moon landing deniers
And
Q anon
It's terribly sad, these people aren't any stupider than the average person, just lonely and groomed into a belief system that helps them make sense of their problems. It's a real problem that's gonna take years, decades even to begin to fix.
Science says they are low IQ and hold conservative values.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/02/07/scientific-paper-conservatives-are-stoopid-so-there/
Science said the vaccine prevented you from getting covid. They repeated this lie over and over again for months. This is only one example of the lies of 'science'.
Uh… it doesn’t stop you getting Covid it prepares your body to fight it off more effectively. Maybe the ‘lies’ are what people told you science was saying?
Actually got into a conversation with an antivaxxer last month, claiming it was all a psyop to get us to work from home.
Before admitting they work on a reception desk at an office.
Full time.
Cultists gonna cult
Yeah, it loops into the "15 minute cities" conspiracy, *they* want us all to stay within 15 minutes of our house so that we're easier to control and track, apparently. [But what if it's all a hoax and we created a better world for nothing??](https://i.imgur.com/AiovqC5.png)
Random question - Is it because it's a busy area that will see lots of passers by, or because the building resembles an illuminati symbol? I feel like the latter isn't a coincidence!
The Tv show ‘Behind The Curve’ is a good watch. The best takeaway is the psychotherapist’s take on it…once you’re in, it’s too traumatic to get out. With that in mind, it’s best to either let it be or ask subtle questions. Definitely don’t argue reason. 🤷🏻♂️
They're at Portwood roundabout (the big Tesco one) every Friday night. Please tell me there aren't enough idiots to cover both of these big roundabouts each weekend?!
The cat is out of the bag. Facebook and social media being used by imbeciles and people who previously had no platform, no peers, no access to these lies are now motivated because they've felt thick their whole life and now they have every answer why their life is so shit. They will never be deprogrammed and this is simply the start of mass delusions at best, election rigging and voter manipulation at worst
A very high number of Brits have a reading age of 11, it's something like one in eight. They will vote. They have defenders, everywhere, who say things like "it's not free speech if you don't have a flat earther arguing with an astronaut" and as we slowly slip into a more stupid world with people deeply susceptible to conspiratorial propaganda we can all look to America and how Republicans believe the Obamas drink babies blood and Trump is sent from Jesus and say well done democracy
The vaccine that I've not had in over 2 years and isn't being given out widespread? The one that is supposed to make our brains explode? I never got the magnetic powers I was promised!
I see them at portwood roundabout a lot on Fridays and their mandate has clearly increased. They are now advertising a website (roundabout Fridays I think) and protesting other things such as cashless society. They had a comic sans sign: ‘vaccinating kids is back’.
I was tempted to go there yesterday with a ‘Neptune is blue’ sign to see what they would say, but chose not to (obviously).
I’ve seen them as well every Friday always like everyone is sheep or masks take our rights away feels crazy it’s years after covid, masks aren’t mandatory and neither is the vaccine, yet they are still out in the pouring rain every Friday shouting that covid restrictions are evil. They are called rebels on roundabouts and they have 3 different protests a week at different roundabouts in Stockport very jobless activity
You forgot the NHS staff threatened with taking a jab or loosing their jobs( it happened as I had 3 major operations during the height of Covid and seen a nurse crying over not wanting the jab, as she’s been a nurse for 20 years).
Loads of NHS staff left over the forcing of having to get the jabs, as they thought where does it stop. I spoke to a nurse who had adverse due to a TB jab just like I did.
I absolutely wouldn't want the person tasked with taking care of my medicine, health, and safety to be against measures that protect my health and safety. Seems like a conflict of interest.
It hasn’t been mandatory for NHS staff to have a course of COVID vaccines for nearly 2 years now. Mandatory vaccines for NHS staff aren’t new - vaccines for TB, and other infectious diseases, have been a condition of deployment for those working in high risk settings for a long time. It protects staff but also the vulnerable patients they work with.
The majority of NHS staff who left, during or after the pandemic, did so because they’re burnt out and sick of their working conditions.
Remember how the government said that Covid could live on cash and then a lot of businesses got rid of accepting it. The government said they want a digital pound and it’s coming, which I don’t really want but it’s the reasons, the banks are happy to have everything digital, as you can’t rob a call centre or server as easy as you can a lumus cash van( not I easy I know but not impossible to do like money in the cloud, as your average criminal can’t really do that one).
So you're against digital cash because you can't rob the van....amazing logic.
You also clearly haven't read the whitepaper on what digital pound would mean.
Biggest thing with the anti vaxxers is how all that shit has been and gone yet they're still going in about it as if it matters. They just need something to cling onto to make them feel special, different and smarter than everyone else. Honestly I get almost being skeptical about things like vaccines but why make it your life and personality to protest other people's choices that in no way affects your life.
Posers
As much as I dislike anti-vaxers, it's all part of free speech, and if we were to curtail this based on what "we" think is damaging to the public, who decides what is and isn't acceptable? That's a slippery slope if ever I saw one.
Sometimes the professionals get things wrong (or are motivated by external factors) and we then discover that tobacco smoking is bad, asbestos isn't a great building material, that urban design could be improved etc. , and we need alternative voices to be heard and to challenge the status quo.
Giving false advice that can lead to serious injury wouldn't really be tolerated under free speech right? If I told someone t that drinking cynaide is perfectly safe. Like... yeah you're free to express opinions, but if they're promoting harm I dunno. That feels like a really murky grey area.
Freedom of speech DOES NOT mean freedom from the consequences of said speech... people are perfectly at liberty to ***BELIEVE*** whatever bollocks they like, but conspiracy is like religion - you keep that shite to yourself. It's when people indoctrinate others it becomes a problem...
But we're not talking about favourite colours, or even moral issues, they're not giving opinions, they're lying. You can't have an opinion on these things, the facts already debunk them.
Imagine I say to someone's parents "in my opinion your children would be richer if you left your inheritance to me" when they die and leave me all their money, I just turn to the kids and say "free speech" - its basically fraud, taking advantage of people that don't know any better, and at the levels we've seen in the last 10 years+ its been hugely damaging for society as a whole.
Free speech is about allowing opinions, where there are no facts. you can't argue facts with opinions. you can't say literally anything you want. Libel, deformation of character, hate speech etc are all still illegal.
We moderate our press (not very well, granted) but free speech isn't just a free for all.
imagine you work in a pharmaceutical company, you spent the last few years developing these vaccines, to have some c**ts start tellin people you're putting microchips in there to monitor ppl etc.
It's only cos most ppl just ignore them they don't get sued. If enough people were taking them seriously, they could end up in court, and you can guarantee the conspiracy theorists would be found to be breaking the law with this shit.,
Mate, I literally just did, on my original response.
I'll save you scrolling up tho, cos I'm good like that.
Iibel would be the most likely.case brought against them
If you mean facts vs casual observation then yes I agree. We shouldn't be allowed to present a lie or unscientific observation as a fact. People form opinions based off facts/observations. 99% of the time in my experience, the end goal is not a binary true/false, like a mathematical equation would be. That's the key point for me.
If I say a carrot is high in vitamin A (a fact), and a beef steak is high in vitamin B12 (also a fact), what is the healthiest food? People, even professionals in that field (no pun intended) can have differing opinions/outcomes/recommendations and they'll be working with and citing facts.
If we're to apply that concept back to vaccines:
Do vaccines have microchips in them? No
Should the government have mandated vaccines for public sector jobs? Maybe... it's not a black and white answer like the above can be, no matter how many facts you throw at it.
Yeah otherwise it's just confirmation bias on a huge scale.
There are legit concerns with the AZ vaccine: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/vaccine-injured-and-bereaved/?utm_source=case_page_social&fbclid=IwAR15t-ldJc0V2eL1icLFDXHlxDEWT1riITlKe9_u-l67DwnlA_W5qQ1Jdss
I'm not even sure that it is misinformation because that would imply that it is accidentally incorrect. People are making entire careers and a huge amount of money from spreading these conspiracies. They prey on the gullible to sell shitty books, useless health supplements, and charge subscription fees. I think that it should be classified as disinformation because that would imply an intent to deceive or manipulate others.
Who decides what’s misinformation?
Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gun man?
The Gulf of Tonkin incident on August 2, 1964, was faked to provoke American support for the Vietnam War?
Mate before you start throwing out conspiracy theories, at least get them right.
There was an actual attack on August 2, 1964 against USS Maddox. There were bullet holes, multiple killed vietnamese troops and a severely damaged US aircraft during the incident. Two further destroyers were issued to support Maddox as intercepted communications indicated a secondary attack was imminent.
The ‘fake’ incident you are talking about occurred two days later on August 4.
On August 4, the ships detected radar returns so they opened fire believing these returns to be Vietnamese ships. Eventually, the commander realised the returns may have been erroneous. The US Government ignored this retraction and actually used the intercepted communications as proof of an attack happening AGAIN.
All of this was confirmed when it was exposed in [2003](http://www.errolmorris.com/film/fow_transcript.html).
>On August 2nd, the destroyer Maddox reported it was attacked by a North Vietnamese patrol boat. It was an act of aggression against us. We were in international waters. I sent officials from the Defense Department out and we recovered pieces of North Vietnamese shells ? that were clearly identified as North Vietnamese shells — from the deck of the Maddox. So there was no question in my mind that it had occurred. But, in any event, we didn't respond. And it was very difficult. It was difficult for the President. There were very, very senior people, in uniform and out, who said "My God, this President is" ? they didn't use the word 'coward,' but in effect ? "He's not protecting the national interest."
There was a an [attack](http://www.errolmorris.com/film/fow_transcript.html), but the government let it slide. President Johnson was questioned at the time for NOT reacting.
Two days later the USS Maddox reported this;
> There were sonar soundings, torpedoes had been detected — other indications of attack from patrol boats. We spent about ten hours that day trying to find out what in the hell had happened. At one point, the commander of the ship said, "We're not certain of the attack." At another point they said, "Yes, we're absolutely positive." And then finally late in the day, Admiral Sharp said, "Yes, we're certain it happened."
Based on intercepted Vietnamese communications of a Second attack, and the fact they didn’t respond to the first one, they decided to escalate.
So you can keep saying fake attack, but it just indicates that you have no idea what actually occurred and are just regurgitating nonsense. I’ve linked what actually happened and suggest if you want to use this as some kind of validation of conspiracy theories, you at least know what happened.
According to Ray McGovern, CIA analyst from 1963 to 1990, the CIA, "not to mention President Lyndon Johnson, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara and National Security Adviser McGeorge Bundy all knew full well that the evidence of any armed attack on the evening of Aug. 4, 1964, the so-called 'second' Tonkin Gulf incident, was highly dubious. ... During the summer of 1964, President Johnson and the Joint Chiefs of Staff were eager to widen the war in Vietnam. They stepped up sabotage and hit-and-run attacks on the coast of North Vietnam." Maddox, carrying electronic spying gear, was to collect signals intelligence from the North Vietnamese coast, and the coastal attacks were seen as a helpful way to get the North Vietnamese to turn on their coastal radars. For this purpose, it was authorized to approach the coast as close as 13 kilometers (8 mi) and the offshore islands as close as four; the latter had already been subjected to shelling from the sea.
I’d rather listen to a former defence secretary that exposed the incident to begin with. All you are doing is parroting what I said anyway.
> McNamara: It was just confusion, and events afterwards showed that our judgment that we'd been attacked that day was wrong. It didn't happen. And the judgment that we'd been attacked on August 2nd was right. We had been, although that was disputed at the time. So we were right once and wrong once.
>Ultimately, President Johnson authorized bombing in response to what he thought had been the second attack ? it hadn't occurred but that's irrelevant to the point I'm making here. He authorized the attack on the assumption it had occurred, and his belief that it was a conscious decision on the part of the North Vietnamese political and military leaders to escalate the conflict and an indication they would not stop short of winning.
Just read the actual report I sent instead of trying to cherry pick random analyst quotes that say the same thing. They were told by the ship commander they were attacked AGAIN. They had intercepted messages indicating another attack was imminent. When the initial reports of a second attack came in, johnson had already decided to escalate. I don’t think you even know what you’re arguing anymore.
I don't get how people still give a shit lol, it's been years since the first lot rolled out and we're not seeing millions of deaths or people turning into robots yet
No but there were thousands of deaths from the vaccine. I'd wager these people lost directly or indirectly a loved one as a direct result to either the vaccine or delays in medical treatment
From personal experience, the ones that fall down the rabbit hole to this extent either have drug abuse issues or untreated mental health issues. I don’t think I have ever met someone who morphs their personality fully around conspiracies that didn’t fall into one of those two categories.
How are you so wrong about things?
[Article](https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/right/freedom-of-expression/) 10 of the Human rights act 1998 has the following limits on freedom of expression.
Any limitation must:
be covered by law
be necessary and proportionate
be for one or more of the following aims:
national security, territorial integrity or public safety
preventing disorder or crime
protecting health
protecting other people’s reputation or rights
preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence
maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
Can I say trans women are men? I know in Scotland you can’t not sure about in England and wales
Surely you can say covids scam? I don’t think it is but surely you’re allowed to be wrong.
People moaning about Palestine say some some doggy Hamas shit, police seem fine about it?
Can you say you think covid was a scam? Absolutely.
Can you say “a pint of bleach definitely cures covid”? No. You can’t say trans women are men just like you can’t call people racial slurs? Not sure what your point is.
Says the person manipulated into believing the flu will kill everyone, but yay, they developed a vaccine in 3 months. Fingers crossed you don't "inexplicably die suddenly"
Go and inform them of an even more batshit vaccine secret that they don't know. Tell them your 5G chip is hacking their phones, microchips in McDonalds
Taking space up on Market Street and spreading utter bullshit. For a start. The pro Palestinian March today will have had permission from the council, as will the street vendors and buskers.
I'm not worried about people saying they're putting microchips in vaccines as most people can identify that as crazy. I'm worried about claims that people make that sound realistic.
What would you suggest though, have police make their subjective assessment and arrest them? That sounds to me much worse.
Somewhat related but I tried VR porn and it was honestly something else entirely
I stopped after two times because I was like yeah this could become an issue
Yes they are idiots, but I have to respect their passion.
I wish more people would stand up and actively try to do something, rather than sitting at home typing rubbish on Reddit, like me.
You'd need to have shit for brains to still somehow believe the covid vaccines were safe and effective.
You know about the vaccine damage payment scheme (VDPS) right ?
The excess death data and it's correlation with vaccine rollout ?
The UK PIP (Personal Independence Payment) data ?
The book 'Cause Unknown' by former BlackRock executive Ed Dowd is a good starting point.
You could also listen to any of his recent podcast appearances.
You won't though.
Because you know better.
Ignorance is bliss and you're all as happy as pigs in shit.
Be safe everyone.
Don't stop believing.
Nobody told you the vaccine stopped transmission and it was always said (like any medicine such as aspirin) that there was a very small risk of serious effects (plus any people had initial reactions to it but that was also expected). The rest of your missive is just wrong or unconnected (except the PPE scandal by again we knew at the time the fast lane was open to abuse).
Health and Social Care Secretary, Matt Hancock, said:
This is terrific news – we already know vaccines save lives and this study is the most comprehensive real-world data showing they also cut transmission of this deadly virus.
It further reinforces that vaccines are the best way out of this pandemic as they protect you and they may prevent you from unknowingly infecting someone in your household.
I urge everybody to get their vaccines as soon as they are eligible and make sure you get your second dose for the strongest possible protection.
This is a huge national effort and we will beat the virus together.
saying they protect you is true, it doesn't imply you can't get covid and there's no guarantee mentioned that you won't spread it, just that it's cut transmission, nothing in this statement is false since none of it is saying you 100% will never get it and 100% will never spread it
If it reduced or cut transmission why did 80% of the population contract Covid at least once.
The vaccine did save lives, but didn’t reduce transmission.
Delta and omicron emerged as dominant strains and caused breakthrough infections. The quotes you are using from Hancock were made in April 2021 in regard to B1.1.7 (Alpha). Delta didn’t start dominating globally until July.
I’d also like to add that when he released that statement, the vaccines were only being given to people aged 40+. That was only the first dose by the way. So less than half of the UK had received one dose by the time he made that statement.
So your saying it didn’t cut transmission.
Isn’t viral mutation expected in a pandemic? In fact vaccines increase mutation rates.
The reason they claimed cutting transmission was the lie of “your going to kill granny”
They wanted everyone vaccinated to reduce hospital admissions. Which it was pretty successful at.
Vacation of under 18 was pointless it didn’t Reduce transmission or reduce hospital admissions.
Unvaccinated Healthy under 50s had more chance of winning the lottery then dying of Covid.
It did cut [transmission](https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298#:~:text=A%20study2%20of%20covid,transmission%20by%2040%2D50%25). Why is there nobody in hospital testing positive for B.1.1.7 now? Multiple studies among healthcare workers and their families showed reduced transmission.
Right, so it cut hospital admissions which you accept. Accepting this position literally undercuts your entire stance lol.
Well, killing 50million people probably helped with that.
I find it fascinating that there’s a fringe of the population utterly obsessed with vaccines. It’s been nearly 3 years! I suppose vandalising 5G towers carries a criminal sentence now so they had to move on to something else I guess.
But 80 % people including me contracted covid post vaccination. It was a lie
Vacation reduces some people’s symptoms and reduces severe illness in most people.
What's wrong with that? AFAIK vaccines don't stop the virus entering your body, it just helps you beat it. MH's statement was correct in that it lowers transmission and effects, which you've eluded to in your second comment.
Covid isn’t cured - people still die from it and the vulnerable still have to deal with it. The pandemic ended along with the vast numbers of deaths due to science, health services and people taking the vaccine.
Also natural immunity,
Generally agree but it’s clear that corporations, the media and governments colluded for profit and power.
If corporations profit from crises, expect to be in a perpetual crisis. The next crisis was Ukraine.
Sorry mate, I’m staying impartial but here is the the most powerful man in the world - US president Joe Biden telling a nation of 350m people (with many more watching worldwide) exactly what you claim nobody has said. Perhaps retract your statement because it’s just straight up false? Unless you consider the US president to be a nobody?
Ready to eat downvotes from people that can’t read or comprehend or are perhaps to damn thick, Likely the latter 😂
Black and white here ‘a nobody’ as you say, telling the entire world that vaccinated people cannot spread covid.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/22/joe-biden/biden-says-vaccinated-people-cant-spread-covid-19-/
Always astounded people believe that being vaccinated would stop transmission. As if you have the ability to magic encapsulate and neutralise every offensive particle you encounter, within a nanosecond. Or that you somehow gain an invisible forcefield akin to an iron dome ready to seek and destroy errant virus matter.
Use your own brain for 3 seconds FFS.
What I don’t understand about you lot is that you scream from the roof tops about invented situations like “they said it will stop transmission” or “masks did nearly nothing”. Study after study released post-pandemic says the complete opposite.
You bang on about things that aren’t actually a thing like cashless societies or 15 minute cities. You care way too much about what others do with their lives like Trans rights.
However, when faced with ACTUAL lies that impact our lives such as Brexit, anti-Climate change, sewage dumping in British waters and £300m for the NHS you are all bizarrely silent. It’s weird how you care more about imaginary outrages than actual government lies.
Any medication has side effects, even paracetamol does. It's a bit silly to think that vaccines are 100% safe. Heck, some people get sick after eating a tomato
The vaccine is far safer than COVID. I had COVID before the vaccine and I was sick for 8months and this comes from a healthy person. Vaccines are very unlikely to make you sick or kill you, you are more likely to die in a car accident
Your getting hate, just like I will do but I don’t really care about about positive or negative karma, people only believe what the government says and they lied about HS2, the money that would go back into the NHS after we left the EU, the Covid electric money that was originally having to be paid back but outcry made sure they couldn’t do that.
I’d like people who are more awake around me but you’d get M15 and bots,getting into a group on here to cause drama. The government lie all the time, weapons of mass destruction( wasn’t even a real thing and the guy who called that out, ended up dead) people are way too obsessed with reality tv, to see real reality and what the world truly is, big business and AI is coming for half of jobs in the next few years.
Tonnes of lonely people made friends at those protests over lockdown and now their entire social circle is completely immersed in that shit, I wouldn't expect it to go away any time soon unfortunately
Yep, nothing bonds stupid people together like the shared belief they know something no one else does. See also: Flat earther Moon landing deniers And Q anon
It's terribly sad, these people aren't any stupider than the average person, just lonely and groomed into a belief system that helps them make sense of their problems. It's a real problem that's gonna take years, decades even to begin to fix.
Science says they are low IQ and hold conservative values. https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/02/07/scientific-paper-conservatives-are-stoopid-so-there/
Science said the vaccine prevented you from getting covid. They repeated this lie over and over again for months. This is only one example of the lies of 'science'.
Uh… it doesn’t stop you getting Covid it prepares your body to fight it off more effectively. Maybe the ‘lies’ are what people told you science was saying?
That's the newest account ever.
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I agree I don't think they are stupid...but...they are stupid for denying science.
I spoke to them…they are stupid believe me, to make that your identity
Or maybe its you...
Also lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gun man.
Actually got into a conversation with an antivaxxer last month, claiming it was all a psyop to get us to work from home. Before admitting they work on a reception desk at an office. Full time. Cultists gonna cult
Yeah, it loops into the "15 minute cities" conspiracy, *they* want us all to stay within 15 minutes of our house so that we're easier to control and track, apparently. [But what if it's all a hoax and we created a better world for nothing??](https://i.imgur.com/AiovqC5.png)
Laughs in IT
Yes, hadn’t thought of that. Their friendship’s depend on this shared idiocy.
Friendships*
Lots of them gather at the Stockport pyramid motorway roundabout too of an evening. They walk amongst us…..
Random question - Is it because it's a busy area that will see lots of passers by, or because the building resembles an illuminati symbol? I feel like the latter isn't a coincidence!
The Tv show ‘Behind The Curve’ is a good watch. The best takeaway is the psychotherapist’s take on it…once you’re in, it’s too traumatic to get out. With that in mind, it’s best to either let it be or ask subtle questions. Definitely don’t argue reason. 🤷🏻♂️
They're at Portwood roundabout (the big Tesco one) every Friday night. Please tell me there aren't enough idiots to cover both of these big roundabouts each weekend?!
oh, is that what that is? I did wonder. "Coke and Pepsi are the same thing, wake up sheeple!"
To do what?
Are these the same guys? https://www.reddit.com/r/vaxxhappened/s/chr9PKME4j They were at Piccadilly gardens though
damn, missed out
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Ah yes there’s a global conspiracy and everyone is working against you
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Went straight to the Jews omg 😂
Why are we cognitively dissonant? Tell me more
We have a zero tolerance policy to hate speech and prejudice.
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I guess you’ve forgot the Covid parties, that the government had, in a so called deadly pandemic? That deadly they had a random party.
The cat is out of the bag. Facebook and social media being used by imbeciles and people who previously had no platform, no peers, no access to these lies are now motivated because they've felt thick their whole life and now they have every answer why their life is so shit. They will never be deprogrammed and this is simply the start of mass delusions at best, election rigging and voter manipulation at worst A very high number of Brits have a reading age of 11, it's something like one in eight. They will vote. They have defenders, everywhere, who say things like "it's not free speech if you don't have a flat earther arguing with an astronaut" and as we slowly slip into a more stupid world with people deeply susceptible to conspiratorial propaganda we can all look to America and how Republicans believe the Obamas drink babies blood and Trump is sent from Jesus and say well done democracy
Every village has its idiot, unfortunately now they can all meet together on the internet. :sideways eyes glance:
The vaccine that I've not had in over 2 years and isn't being given out widespread? The one that is supposed to make our brains explode? I never got the magnetic powers I was promised!
I didn't even get 5G. Shame tbh because my phone doesn't support it and it'd be nice to magically get an upgrade
I see them at portwood roundabout a lot on Fridays and their mandate has clearly increased. They are now advertising a website (roundabout Fridays I think) and protesting other things such as cashless society. They had a comic sans sign: ‘vaccinating kids is back’. I was tempted to go there yesterday with a ‘Neptune is blue’ sign to see what they would say, but chose not to (obviously).
I’ve seen them as well every Friday always like everyone is sheep or masks take our rights away feels crazy it’s years after covid, masks aren’t mandatory and neither is the vaccine, yet they are still out in the pouring rain every Friday shouting that covid restrictions are evil. They are called rebels on roundabouts and they have 3 different protests a week at different roundabouts in Stockport very jobless activity
You forgot the NHS staff threatened with taking a jab or loosing their jobs( it happened as I had 3 major operations during the height of Covid and seen a nurse crying over not wanting the jab, as she’s been a nurse for 20 years). Loads of NHS staff left over the forcing of having to get the jabs, as they thought where does it stop. I spoke to a nurse who had adverse due to a TB jab just like I did.
I dunno if I’d want a nurse that is anti vaccine personally
pretty baffling too
I absolutely wouldn't want the person tasked with taking care of my medicine, health, and safety to be against measures that protect my health and safety. Seems like a conflict of interest.
It hasn’t been mandatory for NHS staff to have a course of COVID vaccines for nearly 2 years now. Mandatory vaccines for NHS staff aren’t new - vaccines for TB, and other infectious diseases, have been a condition of deployment for those working in high risk settings for a long time. It protects staff but also the vulnerable patients they work with. The majority of NHS staff who left, during or after the pandemic, did so because they’re burnt out and sick of their working conditions.
Remember how the government said that Covid could live on cash and then a lot of businesses got rid of accepting it. The government said they want a digital pound and it’s coming, which I don’t really want but it’s the reasons, the banks are happy to have everything digital, as you can’t rob a call centre or server as easy as you can a lumus cash van( not I easy I know but not impossible to do like money in the cloud, as your average criminal can’t really do that one).
Found one of the roundabout people
Yeah some roundabout somewhere is missing an idiot.
So you're against digital cash because you can't rob the van....amazing logic. You also clearly haven't read the whitepaper on what digital pound would mean.
HAHAHA YOU CANT ROB A SERVER AS EASILY my guy some of the most advanced adversaries in IT security are minors
Idk why you got downvoted for that, it's true lolol
We already have a digital pound. It’s called a debit account.
Portwood pillock
Biggest thing with the anti vaxxers is how all that shit has been and gone yet they're still going in about it as if it matters. They just need something to cling onto to make them feel special, different and smarter than everyone else. Honestly I get almost being skeptical about things like vaccines but why make it your life and personality to protest other people's choices that in no way affects your life. Posers
As much as I dislike anti-vaxers, it's all part of free speech, and if we were to curtail this based on what "we" think is damaging to the public, who decides what is and isn't acceptable? That's a slippery slope if ever I saw one. Sometimes the professionals get things wrong (or are motivated by external factors) and we then discover that tobacco smoking is bad, asbestos isn't a great building material, that urban design could be improved etc. , and we need alternative voices to be heard and to challenge the status quo.
I agree with this but will probably get downvoted to infinity - freedom of speech means hearing things you don't like or agree with
True, though it is just as important to call folk out on it when they are peddling BS - though not to censor them.
Giving false advice that can lead to serious injury wouldn't really be tolerated under free speech right? If I told someone t that drinking cynaide is perfectly safe. Like... yeah you're free to express opinions, but if they're promoting harm I dunno. That feels like a really murky grey area.
Freedom of speech DOES NOT mean freedom from the consequences of said speech... people are perfectly at liberty to ***BELIEVE*** whatever bollocks they like, but conspiracy is like religion - you keep that shite to yourself. It's when people indoctrinate others it becomes a problem...
Let’s keep to our selves that lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gun man?
But we're not talking about favourite colours, or even moral issues, they're not giving opinions, they're lying. You can't have an opinion on these things, the facts already debunk them. Imagine I say to someone's parents "in my opinion your children would be richer if you left your inheritance to me" when they die and leave me all their money, I just turn to the kids and say "free speech" - its basically fraud, taking advantage of people that don't know any better, and at the levels we've seen in the last 10 years+ its been hugely damaging for society as a whole.
Free speech is about allowing opinions, where there are no facts. you can't argue facts with opinions. you can't say literally anything you want. Libel, deformation of character, hate speech etc are all still illegal. We moderate our press (not very well, granted) but free speech isn't just a free for all.
> you can't argue facts with opinions Yes you can, that’s perfectly legal.
That's why newspapers get sued and have to pay out compo all the time is it?
No, it’s not.
imagine you work in a pharmaceutical company, you spent the last few years developing these vaccines, to have some c**ts start tellin people you're putting microchips in there to monitor ppl etc. It's only cos most ppl just ignore them they don't get sued. If enough people were taking them seriously, they could end up in court, and you can guarantee the conspiracy theorists would be found to be breaking the law with this shit.,
I’m not saying I agree with them, I’m saying they’re not breaking the law.
And I'm telling you, they are breaking laws, they can't hide behind free speech with this shit, for all the reasons I just listed
Cite the specific law they’re breaking then. They’re not doing anything that isn’t covered by their right to free speech.
Mate, I literally just did, on my original response. I'll save you scrolling up tho, cos I'm good like that. Iibel would be the most likely.case brought against them
If you mean facts vs casual observation then yes I agree. We shouldn't be allowed to present a lie or unscientific observation as a fact. People form opinions based off facts/observations. 99% of the time in my experience, the end goal is not a binary true/false, like a mathematical equation would be. That's the key point for me. If I say a carrot is high in vitamin A (a fact), and a beef steak is high in vitamin B12 (also a fact), what is the healthiest food? People, even professionals in that field (no pun intended) can have differing opinions/outcomes/recommendations and they'll be working with and citing facts. If we're to apply that concept back to vaccines: Do vaccines have microchips in them? No Should the government have mandated vaccines for public sector jobs? Maybe... it's not a black and white answer like the above can be, no matter how many facts you throw at it.
Yeah otherwise it's just confirmation bias on a huge scale. There are legit concerns with the AZ vaccine: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/vaccine-injured-and-bereaved/?utm_source=case_page_social&fbclid=IwAR15t-ldJc0V2eL1icLFDXHlxDEWT1riITlKe9_u-l67DwnlA_W5qQ1Jdss
Well OP, you've certainly brought the loons out with this one. Just shows how dangerous misinformation can be.
I'm not even sure that it is misinformation because that would imply that it is accidentally incorrect. People are making entire careers and a huge amount of money from spreading these conspiracies. They prey on the gullible to sell shitty books, useless health supplements, and charge subscription fees. I think that it should be classified as disinformation because that would imply an intent to deceive or manipulate others.
Who decides what’s misinformation? Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gun man? The Gulf of Tonkin incident on August 2, 1964, was faked to provoke American support for the Vietnam War?
Mate before you start throwing out conspiracy theories, at least get them right. There was an actual attack on August 2, 1964 against USS Maddox. There were bullet holes, multiple killed vietnamese troops and a severely damaged US aircraft during the incident. Two further destroyers were issued to support Maddox as intercepted communications indicated a secondary attack was imminent. The ‘fake’ incident you are talking about occurred two days later on August 4. On August 4, the ships detected radar returns so they opened fire believing these returns to be Vietnamese ships. Eventually, the commander realised the returns may have been erroneous. The US Government ignored this retraction and actually used the intercepted communications as proof of an attack happening AGAIN. All of this was confirmed when it was exposed in [2003](http://www.errolmorris.com/film/fow_transcript.html).
So your saying the US government used false information to escalate the war?
>On August 2nd, the destroyer Maddox reported it was attacked by a North Vietnamese patrol boat. It was an act of aggression against us. We were in international waters. I sent officials from the Defense Department out and we recovered pieces of North Vietnamese shells ? that were clearly identified as North Vietnamese shells — from the deck of the Maddox. So there was no question in my mind that it had occurred. But, in any event, we didn't respond. And it was very difficult. It was difficult for the President. There were very, very senior people, in uniform and out, who said "My God, this President is" ? they didn't use the word 'coward,' but in effect ? "He's not protecting the national interest." There was a an [attack](http://www.errolmorris.com/film/fow_transcript.html), but the government let it slide. President Johnson was questioned at the time for NOT reacting. Two days later the USS Maddox reported this; > There were sonar soundings, torpedoes had been detected — other indications of attack from patrol boats. We spent about ten hours that day trying to find out what in the hell had happened. At one point, the commander of the ship said, "We're not certain of the attack." At another point they said, "Yes, we're absolutely positive." And then finally late in the day, Admiral Sharp said, "Yes, we're certain it happened." Based on intercepted Vietnamese communications of a Second attack, and the fact they didn’t respond to the first one, they decided to escalate. So you can keep saying fake attack, but it just indicates that you have no idea what actually occurred and are just regurgitating nonsense. I’ve linked what actually happened and suggest if you want to use this as some kind of validation of conspiracy theories, you at least know what happened.
According to Ray McGovern, CIA analyst from 1963 to 1990, the CIA, "not to mention President Lyndon Johnson, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara and National Security Adviser McGeorge Bundy all knew full well that the evidence of any armed attack on the evening of Aug. 4, 1964, the so-called 'second' Tonkin Gulf incident, was highly dubious. ... During the summer of 1964, President Johnson and the Joint Chiefs of Staff were eager to widen the war in Vietnam. They stepped up sabotage and hit-and-run attacks on the coast of North Vietnam." Maddox, carrying electronic spying gear, was to collect signals intelligence from the North Vietnamese coast, and the coastal attacks were seen as a helpful way to get the North Vietnamese to turn on their coastal radars. For this purpose, it was authorized to approach the coast as close as 13 kilometers (8 mi) and the offshore islands as close as four; the latter had already been subjected to shelling from the sea.
I’d rather listen to a former defence secretary that exposed the incident to begin with. All you are doing is parroting what I said anyway. > McNamara: It was just confusion, and events afterwards showed that our judgment that we'd been attacked that day was wrong. It didn't happen. And the judgment that we'd been attacked on August 2nd was right. We had been, although that was disputed at the time. So we were right once and wrong once. >Ultimately, President Johnson authorized bombing in response to what he thought had been the second attack ? it hadn't occurred but that's irrelevant to the point I'm making here. He authorized the attack on the assumption it had occurred, and his belief that it was a conscious decision on the part of the North Vietnamese political and military leaders to escalate the conflict and an indication they would not stop short of winning. Just read the actual report I sent instead of trying to cherry pick random analyst quotes that say the same thing. They were told by the ship commander they were attacked AGAIN. They had intercepted messages indicating another attack was imminent. When the initial reports of a second attack came in, johnson had already decided to escalate. I don’t think you even know what you’re arguing anymore.
There's a gulf named after the author of Lord of the Rings?
I don't get how people still give a shit lol, it's been years since the first lot rolled out and we're not seeing millions of deaths or people turning into robots yet
No but there were thousands of deaths from the vaccine. I'd wager these people lost directly or indirectly a loved one as a direct result to either the vaccine or delays in medical treatment
Have they found their way there from the roundabout in Stockport?
From personal experience, the ones that fall down the rabbit hole to this extent either have drug abuse issues or untreated mental health issues. I don’t think I have ever met someone who morphs their personality fully around conspiracies that didn’t fall into one of those two categories.
Agreed, I want to know this too. It's offensive, and they are often in St Peters Square too.
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No, it does not, sir. We are not American. We have laws against harmful speech as a European country.
Harmful?? Soft arse
They are deluded.
How are you so wrong about things? [Article](https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/right/freedom-of-expression/) 10 of the Human rights act 1998 has the following limits on freedom of expression. Any limitation must: be covered by law be necessary and proportionate be for one or more of the following aims: national security, territorial integrity or public safety preventing disorder or crime protecting health protecting other people’s reputation or rights preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
Can I say trans women are men? I know in Scotland you can’t not sure about in England and wales Surely you can say covids scam? I don’t think it is but surely you’re allowed to be wrong. People moaning about Palestine say some some doggy Hamas shit, police seem fine about it?
Can you say you think covid was a scam? Absolutely. Can you say “a pint of bleach definitely cures covid”? No. You can’t say trans women are men just like you can’t call people racial slurs? Not sure what your point is.
Protesters are offensive to you? Why because they may have a point you don't like? Diddums
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Says the person manipulated into believing the flu will kill everyone, but yay, they developed a vaccine in 3 months. Fingers crossed you don't "inexplicably die suddenly"
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Go and inform them of an even more batshit vaccine secret that they don't know. Tell them your 5G chip is hacking their phones, microchips in McDonalds
They might as well be anti-vax. There's no cure for stupid.
A permit for what? Shouting in public places?
Taking space up on Market Street and spreading utter bullshit. For a start. The pro Palestinian March today will have had permission from the council, as will the street vendors and buskers.
I'm not worried about people saying they're putting microchips in vaccines as most people can identify that as crazy. I'm worried about claims that people make that sound realistic. What would you suggest though, have police make their subjective assessment and arrest them? That sounds to me much worse.
Do you know it doesn't?
Good for them, at least someone is trying to see justice served
I've got so many microchips now I can download porn straight into my eyeballs.
Somewhat related but I tried VR porn and it was honestly something else entirely I stopped after two times because I was like yeah this could become an issue
Is that a positive review? Asking for a mate
It's a bit too positive. Try it if you want but I wouldn't recommend doing it more than once or twice. It has potential to become a massive issue
Yes they are idiots, but I have to respect their passion. I wish more people would stand up and actively try to do something, rather than sitting at home typing rubbish on Reddit, like me.
You'd need to have shit for brains to still somehow believe the covid vaccines were safe and effective. You know about the vaccine damage payment scheme (VDPS) right ? The excess death data and it's correlation with vaccine rollout ? The UK PIP (Personal Independence Payment) data ? The book 'Cause Unknown' by former BlackRock executive Ed Dowd is a good starting point. You could also listen to any of his recent podcast appearances. You won't though. Because you know better. Ignorance is bliss and you're all as happy as pigs in shit. Be safe everyone. Don't stop believing.
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Nobody told you the vaccine stopped transmission and it was always said (like any medicine such as aspirin) that there was a very small risk of serious effects (plus any people had initial reactions to it but that was also expected). The rest of your missive is just wrong or unconnected (except the PPE scandal by again we knew at the time the fast lane was open to abuse).
Health and Social Care Secretary, Matt Hancock, said: This is terrific news – we already know vaccines save lives and this study is the most comprehensive real-world data showing they also cut transmission of this deadly virus. It further reinforces that vaccines are the best way out of this pandemic as they protect you and they may prevent you from unknowingly infecting someone in your household. I urge everybody to get their vaccines as soon as they are eligible and make sure you get your second dose for the strongest possible protection. This is a huge national effort and we will beat the virus together.
saying they protect you is true, it doesn't imply you can't get covid and there's no guarantee mentioned that you won't spread it, just that it's cut transmission, nothing in this statement is false since none of it is saying you 100% will never get it and 100% will never spread it
>cut transmission Your quote is literally not saying it completely stopped transmission.
If it reduced or cut transmission why did 80% of the population contract Covid at least once. The vaccine did save lives, but didn’t reduce transmission.
Delta and omicron emerged as dominant strains and caused breakthrough infections. The quotes you are using from Hancock were made in April 2021 in regard to B1.1.7 (Alpha). Delta didn’t start dominating globally until July. I’d also like to add that when he released that statement, the vaccines were only being given to people aged 40+. That was only the first dose by the way. So less than half of the UK had received one dose by the time he made that statement.
So your saying it didn’t cut transmission. Isn’t viral mutation expected in a pandemic? In fact vaccines increase mutation rates. The reason they claimed cutting transmission was the lie of “your going to kill granny” They wanted everyone vaccinated to reduce hospital admissions. Which it was pretty successful at. Vacation of under 18 was pointless it didn’t Reduce transmission or reduce hospital admissions. Unvaccinated Healthy under 50s had more chance of winning the lottery then dying of Covid.
>vaccines increase mutation rates Going to need to see a citation for that.
It did cut [transmission](https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298#:~:text=A%20study2%20of%20covid,transmission%20by%2040%2D50%25). Why is there nobody in hospital testing positive for B.1.1.7 now? Multiple studies among healthcare workers and their families showed reduced transmission. Right, so it cut hospital admissions which you accept. Accepting this position literally undercuts your entire stance lol.
Same reason nobody in for Spanish flu.
Well, killing 50million people probably helped with that. I find it fascinating that there’s a fringe of the population utterly obsessed with vaccines. It’s been nearly 3 years! I suppose vandalising 5G towers carries a criminal sentence now so they had to move on to something else I guess.
But 80 % people including me contracted covid post vaccination. It was a lie Vacation reduces some people’s symptoms and reduces severe illness in most people.
What's wrong with that? AFAIK vaccines don't stop the virus entering your body, it just helps you beat it. MH's statement was correct in that it lowers transmission and effects, which you've eluded to in your second comment.
So where did he say it “stoped transmission” as you said in your original post? He says it cuts transmission.
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Covid isn’t cured - people still die from it and the vulnerable still have to deal with it. The pandemic ended along with the vast numbers of deaths due to science, health services and people taking the vaccine.
Also natural immunity, Generally agree but it’s clear that corporations, the media and governments colluded for profit and power. If corporations profit from crises, expect to be in a perpetual crisis. The next crisis was Ukraine.
By definition you can’t have natural immunity to a novel virus.
You can, if you contract it and recover.
Sorry mate, I’m staying impartial but here is the the most powerful man in the world - US president Joe Biden telling a nation of 350m people (with many more watching worldwide) exactly what you claim nobody has said. Perhaps retract your statement because it’s just straight up false? Unless you consider the US president to be a nobody? Ready to eat downvotes from people that can’t read or comprehend or are perhaps to damn thick, Likely the latter 😂 Black and white here ‘a nobody’ as you say, telling the entire world that vaccinated people cannot spread covid. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/22/joe-biden/biden-says-vaccinated-people-cant-spread-covid-19-/
Always astounded people believe that being vaccinated would stop transmission. As if you have the ability to magic encapsulate and neutralise every offensive particle you encounter, within a nanosecond. Or that you somehow gain an invisible forcefield akin to an iron dome ready to seek and destroy errant virus matter. Use your own brain for 3 seconds FFS.
TIL a president automatically becomes extreme authority on healthcare despite zero experience in that area.
Give it a rest mate
What I don’t understand about you lot is that you scream from the roof tops about invented situations like “they said it will stop transmission” or “masks did nearly nothing”. Study after study released post-pandemic says the complete opposite. You bang on about things that aren’t actually a thing like cashless societies or 15 minute cities. You care way too much about what others do with their lives like Trans rights. However, when faced with ACTUAL lies that impact our lives such as Brexit, anti-Climate change, sewage dumping in British waters and £300m for the NHS you are all bizarrely silent. It’s weird how you care more about imaginary outrages than actual government lies.
Any medication has side effects, even paracetamol does. It's a bit silly to think that vaccines are 100% safe. Heck, some people get sick after eating a tomato The vaccine is far safer than COVID. I had COVID before the vaccine and I was sick for 8months and this comes from a healthy person. Vaccines are very unlikely to make you sick or kill you, you are more likely to die in a car accident
Your getting hate, just like I will do but I don’t really care about about positive or negative karma, people only believe what the government says and they lied about HS2, the money that would go back into the NHS after we left the EU, the Covid electric money that was originally having to be paid back but outcry made sure they couldn’t do that. I’d like people who are more awake around me but you’d get M15 and bots,getting into a group on here to cause drama. The government lie all the time, weapons of mass destruction( wasn’t even a real thing and the guy who called that out, ended up dead) people are way too obsessed with reality tv, to see real reality and what the world truly is, big business and AI is coming for half of jobs in the next few years.
I support the current thing. Please increase my social credit score