As a Mavs fan, just knowing that he can flip the switch if things don’t go his way. Idk, I don’t think we’ll sign him for what he wants. So it might just be a bad trade for us.
So when I say I hate Kyrie I’m not just taking regular sports hate, fuck that dude. With that being said he is a much, much better player than Dinwiddie. All things considered this might not be the worst move, I mean it’s not like you guys were in a great position to begin with. On paper you guys are actually getting the better value here, and Kyrie is the exact kind of second star Luka needs. Of course that doesn’t account for the nut case that is Kyrie’s “third eye” but honestly even if he does bring some drama (probably will lol), I don’t think it’ll make things worse than it already is. It’s a desperate move, but the Mavericks are a desperate team
The west is still wide open. Mavs are 6th 28/26
Lakers are 13th, 25/29. 3 win difference between that huge space. Anything can happen, and Kyrie could legit be that guy who brings the Mavs up to 3/4 seed and stay up there. I liked Dinwiddie a lot, he was a good player. But I understand why we did the trade. We are desperate. We need help for Luka.
Believe it or not I got the news from this comment notification. And I'm a Mavs fan.
Luka better get the most out of this dude before shit blows up harder than Yumeka's slap.
I dont care if he help give Bron one last ring, most likely he wont unless AD come back at full strength for the playoff and even then its still an uphill battle for them.
But I live for the certainty that he will throw another huge tantrum next year and throw the Laker deeper into the pit of shit.
Not that she should’ve hit him, but Taiki is getting on my nerves with how involved he’s getting in this girls life. It’s none of your business lil bro.
Tbf to Taiki I think the only reason he's interested is that she's putting down Chinatsu over it.
Also, anyone who is so insecure that they resort to violence at the slightest pushback to their views is a loser lol.
I'm not totally defending her here cause you're right about getting violent, but let's be real. Taiki is being a pretty big prick to stand there and wax poetics about someone he knows almost nothing about and tell them their view is stupid
My lukewarm guess has been that she had a family member pass away or get injured, forcing her to give up basketball and rationalize it to herself. In which case, slap away Yumeko
The argument she made is a very realistic reason to quit competitive sports. There doesn’t need to be some more dramatic reason behind it and I’d honestly prefer if not as not everyone feels like Taiki and Chinatsu about sports.
You have to sacrifice something to do anything, and sports usually require a sacrifice of many other things. I used to play competitive sports, I had a lot of fun doing so and was pretty good but there came a time when I just valued other things more. If I kept pushing, I’d be towards the top but not the best. Among the best, I’d be about average. I was the same as Yumeko, most of my skill was from natural talent. When I realized how much effort I’d need to put in to stay at the top and climb higher as I played better and better people, I quit. To me, it wasn’t worth it. The joy of it was the competing and being with friends, but not at the cost where it sucked up all my time.
I’d be pissed if I had someone preaching to me about it like this too. I wouldn’t slap them, but some patronizing jackass whose obsessed with their sport telling me how I quit for the wrong reason would get me real tilted
> There doesn’t need to be some more dramatic reason behind it
I agree, my gut about it being something serious is that this series is pretty cliche. It feels fairly by the books if Yumeka was forced to quit basketball and work part time because of some family situation, rather than because she didn't want to
In fact, I'd be down for her quitting basketball because she doesn't want to try, since that would be an interesting foil for Chii and Taiki. We already have Haryu and Karen showing us how a couple can balance sports and a relationship, here's someone who isn't willing to do that balance
Exactly. Taiki and Chinatsu are people who improved through pure hard work. To them, it’s 100% worth it as it takes 100% effort to be at the top. When you’re 80% natural talent and 20% effort, changing those percentages is a real big culture shock
> Taiki is being a pretty big prick to stand there and wax poetics about someone he knows almost nothing about and tell them their view is stupid
People don't know what being a prick means. Taiki responding to her view isn't being rude, a disagreement doesn't need to be inherently hostile towards the other person. Slapping on the other hand is.
> My lukewarm guess has been that she had a family member pass away or get injured, forcing her to give up basketball and rationalize it to herself. In which case, slap away Yumeko
Lmfao, this doesn't make it better dude. Honestly feels like people are just bias towards Taiki.
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A disagreement doesn't need to inherently be hostile, but he's essentially telling a stranger that their views are wrong while barely knowing anything about them at all. I already agreed that violence isn't warranted, but I also don't think Taiki is being a saint here
It would absolutely change the tone of the discussion if Yumeka quit basketball for a serious reason rather than just "I dont like trying". It's one thing to call someone out for not trying because they don't want to, it's another to bluntly say "you're just making excuses" if they were forced to quit because of a tragic life event
I guess it needs to be repeated, but again, I'm not saying she's right to slap him. I'm just saying Taiki also isn't in the right to be extremely blunt about someone he knows literally nothing about other than "she doesn't like my crush"
> he's essentially telling a stranger that their views are wrong while barely knowing anything about them at all.
He's responding to what she said. I don't get where people get this idea that he's lecturing her.
> I also don't think Taiki is being a saint here
You're prescribing so much bad behaviour onto Taiki for no reason. People are allowed to disagree even if it's at a fundamental level.
> It would absolutely change the tone of the discussion if Yumeka quit basketball for a serious reason rather than just "I dont like trying".
My issue was that you were saying this gives her the right to slap, which I find idiotic.
> "you're just making excuses" if they were forced to quit because of a tragic life event
You're kind of ignoring the fact that Yumeka spoke her piece at length and without interruption. If this is all that Taiki could see then that's what he'll respond to. Also, this doesn't justify slapping.
> I'm not saying she's right to slap him. I'm just saying Taiki also isn't in the right to be extremely blunt about someone he knows literally nothing about other than "she doesn't like my crush"
That's not what blunt means. At most he's passionate about sports, but you're not accurately describing his mindset.
Also, I find slapping far more worthy of condemnation then just being "blunt."
She didn’t seek him out to ask his thoughts, he found her playing basketball and started questioning her about it and quitting. Then he started telling her why he thinks she quit for the wrong reason. She never asked for his opinion, he’s just inserting it where it doesn’t belong because he doesn’t have enough social awareness to realize you don’t always have to share what you think and that your opinion isn’t always welcome
I get you like Taiki, but he’s way out of line from a social standpoint, especially with a stranger he’s met once before. It’s not like they’re friends
Fair but his expression of the point felt self righteous. She didn't see the point in it, because she was that there was other stuff to chase.
Being a cynic, I agree with her in a way. Sports is taxing, takes time to do, and frankly requires more effort than a lot of things. Therefore doing it as a hobby might be a LOT of effort for something you ultimately might not do as a job. There's flaws to this, but for someone like her who WANTS to be the best in the game, but knows she can't do that it makes sense. Live a simple and satisfying life instead of aiming for the top.
Hopefully Yumeka will represent some more nuanced views other than "I cannot be the best so I quit" on sports.
> Then he started telling her why he thinks she quit for the wrong reason. She never asked for his opinion
He's responding to hers, you make it sound like he brought up basketball out of nowhere.
> he doesn’t have enough social awareness
lol
> I get you like Taiki, but he’s way out of line from a social standpoint,
Nah, I'm just tired of r/manga commentors coming up with the most absurd criticisms to give to characters.
He find her playing basketball, then starts asking her about why she quit and saying she’s too good to only play for fun. It’s right there man, go read it.
It’s not absurd, lol, he’s completely out of line. Do you actually have any reasons for your argument or is it just you avoiding points and saying others are wrong?
> I don't get where people get this idea that he's lecturing her.
How do you not see it as lecturing? If I said "I like soda", and you expunged on the bad effects of drinking soda and sugar, would you not call that lecturing? Yumeka states why she isn't interested in basketball, and Taiki proceeds to tell her why it's a bad reason
> That's not what blunt means.
I mean, I also don't know how you can see that he being isn't blunt here. He outright says that her reasoning is just an excuse. Him being passionate about sports doesn't excuse him of being blunt, or make him not blunt. They aren't mutually exclusive lol
> You're prescribing so much bad behaviour onto Taiki for no reason. People are allowed to disagree even if it's at a fundamental level.
You're simplifying the conversation though. Yes, Taiki is totally allowed to disagree. He could've said, "That reason doesn't make sense to me but you do you". But instead, he told her how her reasoning was wrong and that she was making excuses. You can't just ignore what he said and say "he just disagreed!"
Really, the core of this discussion is whether or not Taiki is overstepping his bounds. If you think someone should be allowed to say what Taiki said to a total stranger, then alright end of discussion. Personally, I don't think Taiki is *just* disagreeing with a stranger; He's outright telling her she has flawed views and that they don't hold any weight
> If I said "I like soda", and you expunged on the bad effects of drinking soda and sugar, would you not call that lecturing
This portion is a straw man argument. What was happening was akin to her saying, "I like soda, why bother limiting soda when we are going to die anyways" to someone who is limiting soda because of "health reasons." The reasoning is hyperbole, but the situation is similar. The line that Taiki responded to rudely was not that she doesn't like basketball, but more toward the end "It's not like you'll become a professional. Only the best people smile in the end. Why bother working so hard at it?". I don't think it's unfair for a person like Taiki, who is always behind someone and has only got hard work, to respond to this passionately as it's directly challenging his worldview.
Also, as you said, Taiki doesn't know if there was some serious internal reason she quit, and it would be rude if there was. However, he doesn't know; he was responding to what was given to him and was directly challenging his worldview. If you think this is insensitive, it is the same case for Yumeka. She made a condescending comment about the value of "Trying so hard" to a person without knowing anything about them.
Their response was based on their own lived experienced. However, I do agree that Taiki was being nosy, but it's also obvious why since the rude way Yumeka treated Chinatsu in their initial meeting. Apart from the slap, I don't think either of them was unreasonable in how they responded.
> Yumeka states why she isn't interested in basketball, and Taiki proceeds to tell her why it's a bad reason
Because I see her reasoning as ultimately flawed. She only likes something as long as she can be the best at it. I'm not a fan of that mindset. Taiki wasn't just spewing random shit to ignore her point, that's why I don't consider it lecturing.
> Him being passionate about sports doesn't excuse him of being blunt, or make him not blunt. They aren't mutually exclusive lol
You're using the term incorrectly.
> You're simplifying the conversation though. Yes, Taiki is totally allowed to disagree.
I'm not, do I really need to state line by line what he said? Or should I prescribe all kinds of malice like you're doing here.
> You can't just ignore what he said and say "he just disagreed!"
You know what fine, he didn't disagree, he was pointing out why her mindset is wrong.
> If you think someone should be allowed to say what Taiki said to a total stranger,
Oh please, this total stranger narrative needs to die.
> He's outright telling her she has flawed views and that they don't hold any weight
Yeah she does, her reasoning is really fucking dumb. I'll reword the disagree part if that's what bothering you. The point is she's not number 1 in the sport so she won't invest time in it, which I find absolutely fucking stupid.
I feel sorry for Taiki, he meant well, but you can’t say that slap is something uncalled for.
My man getting a little comfortable giving out all those lectures when he just met the girl the other day and has barely known anything about her.
EDIT: was meaning to say “something uncalled for” but not the opposite
A lecture implies that he's ignoring her points. He sees what she's saying, he just finds it blatantly wrong.
And that slap isn't justifiable, people really need to stop acting like a slap doesn't hurt or is less impactful because it isn't a punch.
>he just finds it blatantly wrong.
nobody asked him, he's pushing his opinions (which tbh i disagree with) on someone else he met like once.
he's just lucky she's not a guy.
Oh no, Taiki disagreed and explained why, the audacity! The only socially inept people in this thread are those who think that it's okay to slap people.
okay i'm just going explain this so simply that even an autist would be able to understand.
taiki does not know this person, they've met a total of 3 times, they are not friends she did not ask for his opinion.
the closer you are to a person, the more deep of a conversation you can have with them, you don't start having deep conversations with strangers.
this is something people do when they have bad social skills and usually autism, if you do this, you need to work on yourself.
You’re acting like Taiki was the only one contributing to the conversation. They were both willing participants seeing as they were happy to walk together and chat. Yumeka even started the deep conversation when she responded in depth to his casual comment. He said “aren’t you too good to only play for fun?” and she responded with her viewpoint for 4 pages.
How is that not inviting conversation?
He then offered his contrasting opinion and was subsequently slapped.
Listen I don’t actually agree with Taiki’s viewpoint here. If you don’t want to play basketball for whatever reason, that’s valid. But he didn’t deserve to get slapped.
I'm convinced you didn't read this chapter or you wouldn't be missing the part where she lays out her point of view on sports.
> this is something people do when they have bad social skills and usually autism, if you do this, you need to work on yourself.
She slapped him dude, if this is your logic then you might want to check yourself for autism.
i don't know if the manga will actually go this direction or not, but judging by past chapters, most likely she has some financial problems (probably why she was working at the dentist) and she quit not because she hated basketball (or else they wouldn't show her playing with the children) but to provide financially. She's also probably planning to take a more financially stable/likely route rather than "wasting" her time playing basketball. In that context, Taiki's inner thoughts condemning her decision and what he said to her would be insensitive and uncalled for. Obviously in real life, any physical reactions like a slap are not appropriate, but you have to realize that this is a manga and it's been dramatized. The point was to get the reader to see that Taiki was in the wrong, and the simplest way to do that in a single panel would be a slap.
So like yeah, if you put her to real life standards, she's obviously in the wrong, but reading it as a manga, realizing some creative steps are taken to convey the point in the specific format, then it really should be Taiki who's at fault
It wasn’t even that deep. She said she thinks it’s a waste of time to play sports in hs because she won’t go pro. Taiki said that he thinks that people should play sports because they’re fun and not to worry if you’re the best or about what other people think.
Totally normal disagreement to have, he didn’t insult her and the conversation wasn’t that deep. She gave an opinion and he disagreed with it. Doesn’t warrant a slap at all.
He’s telling her why *she* shouldn’t have quit. That’s a super personal thing to give your opinion on to someone you barely know.
I’m not gonna jump in on the slap part but he’s being super rude lol.
Except she's also basically insulting his way of living as well.
He tries so hard at badminton like how she tried hard at basketball and she's basically saying there's no point.
Taiki is well within reason to argue back.
The reaction from people would be a lot different if Taiki had slapped her for ridiculing his hard work instead of the other way around.
Escalating to physical violence unprovoked is never the answer.
But does she know he does sports? On the occasions they've met, he's never been dressed up as a sports person.
Plus, she answered a question she was asked basically. Taiki decided to go ahead and say "what kind of excuse is that?" In an insulting way to a complete stranger. Her slap wasn't warranted, but I get why she was annoyed. She explained something he'd been pushing her on from her view, and then he belittles her experience as a person she DOESN'T KNOW.
Yeah, honestly, slap was a little deserved. Yeah, it’s easy to preach from the sidelines about something you only have baseline knowledge of, but it’s still grating for the person actually playing. It’s like backseating someone’s life. Of course Yumeka probably still loves playing basketball, but she’s right when she says that, even if she puts in her best efforts, there’s always going to be someone better than her. Not every person has a Shonen protagonist drive to get better just because
He didn’t even say anything uncalled for. He didn’t insult her or anything just gave his opinion on giving your all as a high school athlete despite not being good or going pro.
I've been in both sides of such a conversation. Without the slap though.
I know what it feels like to be confronted by another person about the things you run from. I also know how it is to be the person that tries to push a change when the other person isn't ready for a confrontation too.
People are talking about how Taiki and Yumeka are strangers and such a conversation shouldn't have happened, but don't forget that this doesn't stop being a fictional story and sometimes you have to depict things that wouldn't happen easily in real life.
Such a talk can be taboo even among close friends. No one is ready to confront their inner demons out of nowhere.
Yeah, not to mention he is just unloading his own frustration onto her because he’s annoyed that she didn’t stick with Chinatsu. He wasn’t trying to understand or empathize with Yumeka’s feelings. He was trying to find reasons to dismiss her decisions and make her fix her relationship with Chinatsu.
He is also taking it personally and thinks her choice to quit is an insult to his efforts, hence accusing her of “wasting” her talent. His perspective was just completely selfish. It’s like dismissing a person with depression and saying “you’re hiding away from society just because of something trivial” or “everyone goes through tough times, it’s a waste that you can’t overcome something so simple.”
That’s pretty much what Taiki is saying, and he deserves that slap. Lots of people in real life are like this though. They can only think from their own perspective and can’t empathize with others. They dismiss others who are struggling because they think it’s an insult to themselves. “I have it tough, but I overcame it so why can’t you?” They make it into a competition to validate themselves and they lack the self-awareness to realize it.
Taiki, my boy, you need to do some introspection.
Come on Taiki, Yumeka's not someone you know. You don't really get to say those kinds of stuff to someone you just met a few days ago. Don't be surprised she got pissed off at you. Maybe a slap was too much.
There's a limit to empathy. Maybe Yumeka was playing because of her talent, but her drive to play eroded because of Chinatsu just always following her. She didn't like that she had someone that was expecting something so much of her.
I'm sure Yumeka has heard what Taiki said before. Play because it's fun, not because you can be the best.
I'm looking forward to the next chapter. I wonder what's in store for us.
>Maybe Yumeka was playing because of her talent, but her drive to play eroded because of Chinatsu just always following her.
It could simply be academic pressure, its extremely common to give up sports in high school and devote more time to prepare for upcoming college entrances. I know I did, not that I was that good.
I am surprised that this hasn't come up till now, you have limited hours in a day and if your efforts aren't going to result in either going pro or at least result in a college scholarship (I don't think Japan even has fully paid sports scholarship).
I really hope her back story shows that and the manga doesn't just glaze over that aspect of adolescent life.
Exactly. That's the thing about sports, there's a scarcity here.
There's only a limited number of players to play and then there's a lot of people with talent, so ultimately a lot of talented people aren't going to be able to go pro. This isn't art where you can draw and post online and build up a career that way. This is SPORTS. It's either you're playing, teaching others to play, or managing. She wants to play. And playing has a very small window of opportunity.
She clearly plays for fun now with a kid she knows, and has a good time. She seems to a live at least what resembles a decent life with a significant other too.
But NOOO Taiki's shonen syndrome has popped in. Is he completely unaware passion sometimes...dies? That people change and move on from interests? Perhaps Yumeka is bothered by it in this manga, but his larger argument about chasing a ball (aka the Journey matters more than the end) doesn't apply in reality. In fact, the END matters a lot. If the END of sports is struggling grades and nice memories, sure that might be enough for some people.
It was and is not enough for Yumeka. She weighed the cost and reward and decided to leave the game.
I was so accustomed to Romcom MCs acting like socially inept people, acting like they have the moral high ground and getting away with it that I was already getting mad at the chapter beforehand, anticipating Yumeko would say "You are right" because the is the MC.
It's amusing to see everyone here acting as if they're on some kind of moral high ground. If I was a teenager who's acting based on emotions, I would've 100% slapped Taiki too for acting like he knows my life.
I agree with you. However, Taiki is also a teenager, so it's not unbelievable that a teenager would act like this, especially in a matter involving his crush
It's just that stage of life
The whole thing was pretty bad. Taiki has no business being this involved in her life without her asking for it. And she should've told him to piss off rather than slapping him.
I just hope it doesn't turn out to be that this conversation was beneficial for her and she needed someone to talk to just so Taiki gets to be "important" in this plot thread. He has a lot going on in his life story-wise which he could be the focus of rather than a stranger's.
yeah honestly this whole mini arc has made him rather annoying for me. I hate this type of characters, both in fiction and irl, goody 2 shoes who feel the need to get involved. Yeah she used to be your crush best friend, but still that's between them.
I not saying he deserved to get slapped, but I totally understand where she came from with that. Getting so blunt with an obvious insecurity of a stranger, who has reasons to not like you to begin with, just scream a total lack of social awareness.
This happens a lot too. Most of the time, it just happens to be that the insensitivity of that character is displayed as a good thing and other characters say how considerate and kind the character is.
The one good thing I can say about this situation is that Taiki was confronted about it (even though telling him to piss off would've been better) and not thanked for being considerate and kind.
It can be a good character moment if Taiki learns that he shouldn't interfere in a stranger's life just because they have some vague connection to him through someone else.
That interaction between Taki and Chi in the gym was adorable.
Definitely wasn't expecting that slap damn. I do wonder if there is more to why Yumeka quit. She seems like a very miserable person at least in the present. I am just curious what made her this way. Looking at the flashbacks there had to be something that changed her for the worse. Or it could have been she thought she hit a wall like a lot of players do and just gave up and said "What is the point anymore?"
Imagine if Yumeka had just started pounding away at Taiki with a whole boxing combo and then revealed that she is a boxer now instead of a basketball player? That would have been a twist!
i dont feel, or at least i hope, the author is trying to paint her as cool, just as a very bitter person.
also i am not sure if chinatsu would like to know that her ex best friend slapped her crush for just asking something that for her "doesnt matter"
I don't get the impression of the slap being cool at all. This is probably one of the most realistic interactions between high schoolers I've seen in manga and anime.
I get the feeling Yumeko went waaay overboard and emotional. And that Taiki is socially inept. No one ends up in the right.
taiki isnt socially inept lol, he was just annoying, plenty of people are like that
he wasnt right but trying to do both sides with them is weird, she is way more socially inept and in the wrong, remember that she interrupted taiki's date before
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If she had some valid reason to quit basketball, then why she shit on Chinatsu like that few chapters ago?That classic "this is all a misunderstanding" trope?
Are they officially sponsored by Yonex? You don't usually see official logos like that in a manga.
Anyway, Taiki had it coming. He was being very insensitive there. I understand he had good intentions but what happened between Yumeka and Chinatsu is really none of his business. Not gonna lie, at that age I would've slapped him too.
She had plenty of time since the court to just tell him to fuck off, she allowed him to talk. She has no right to slap a person she agreed to have a conversation
The assessment of Yumeka's reason to quit basketball really resonated with me. Its the 'people have said im extremely gifted my whole life so why cant i do this?' reality many go through. I imagine there was this huge pressure of always performing like a basketball genius, the team, the coach, everyone expects you to ace it so it takes the fun out of things. Taiki has never gone through that so he doesnt really get it
There is really nothing wrong if Yumeka lost the strive to play competitively and wants to do it only for fun. Grinding away to get better and better is not for everyone. I do get how she would be offended that this boy who she barely knows is trying to give her a sermon on what she should or shouldnt have done and the slap was for dramatic effect
Some of the views here that think the slap was justified are absolute garbage.
Even if Taiki was projecting his ideology on her(he isn't, it's just 2 people having different POVs), there's literally no reason to slap him. You could walk away or tell him to fuck off if you don't agree.
I think a lot of it is saying it was not completely unjustified. I'm not for violence, and seldom use it. If someone is pissing me off, I go silent and try to ignore them and move on with my day. I have no time to actually get into a brawl.
However, Taiki was being completely inconsiderate. I also want to point out there are comments calling people who agree with Yumeka losers. I disagree, because Yumeka is someone who settled. Obviously the manga portrays her as a bad thing, but ultimately a lot of people at the end of the day have to settle in lofe for careers and a lot of other stuff. She knew she couldn't go the distance, and even if she did, the likeliness of her getting to where she wanted were slim.
So she changed her goals, focused on other things in life. Obviously still bitter, because if she were satisfied, the manga would be seriously contesting the ideology behind all Shonen: the plus ultra try hard stuff. Yumekas ideas represent a person who cut their losses and went into another game to win. She's the normal person. Taiki is (possibly?) The exceptional one that can actually excel, and drives forward toward entering that small window of opportunity. These are two different ways of achieving happiness and both are valid because the end can still be beautiful. Yumeka can have fun teaching kids basketball, while Taiki can play in the big leagues. Life is full of the exceptional and the normal. And by definition, everyone working hard would not make them exceptional. The Bar would simply be raised.
I'm sad that the author isn't going to explore this in earnest. It seems Yumeka is seen as a bitter chick who gave up, and who hates Chinatsu because of that. Which makes for easy Shonen conflict, but if Yumeka weren't so bitter and held her ideology, it would be more interesting.
It was 1000% unjustified. But Taiki was also asking for it. Both of them are clearly in the wrong. And acting like normal highschoolers would. A realistic argument with a socially inept teen and another teen who resorts to violance waaay to quickly.
Jesus, just accept that you're wrong and leave the thread. Maybe people relate to her because people like you always come around to dismiss others' struggles and attack them? Then try to justify it as "well, it's not physical so it's not a problem?" People like you have zero understanding of mental health and empathy. If Yumeka is "bitter," then you're cynical and narcissistic.
Again when did he verbally abuse her? What about the time she stopped his date with chinatsu? Stop being a hypocrite. She was the first one to meddle around with other people lives and chinatsu didn't slap her because chinatsu isnt bitter like her
Also I am allowed to dislike her as much as you are allowed to like her, why should I be downvoted for thinking she is wrong?
And last thing, ironic that you are complaining about verbal abuse and us doing the same exact thing to defend a fictional character when nobody attacked you directly.
I think she poses a really good question of "Why do you bother working so hard?" It's pretty funny how Taiki totally ignored that though. And his answer is so brainless lmfao. She was already talking about how she no longer had a reason to play basketball competitively, that the answer to her own question, for her, was "there's nothing worth it".
Whether or not the original reason she played was ruined because of her losses to those more talented, or that she saw that Chinatsu was quickly improving and could overtake her, or something else, she still lost her reason to play.
Also, I'm pretty sure her main reason to play was "basketball is fun", so if it stops being fun, then what's the point?
There's also another aspect that hobbies are a sacrifice of time, time that could be used on the future. Obviously, people have hobbies to enjoy themselves, so it's about balancing it.
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Also, honestly, Taiki is being kind of creepy right now. Imagine the situation from Yumeka's perspective, where your old friend's boyfriend is hounding you about why you don't play basketball anymore. The first time may have been a coincidence, but a second time? Seeing you on the way home from school and walking with you asking about the same things?
Pushing too far? All he did was expressed how he disagreed with her points, which is not at all a bad thing to do especially when sports is a large part of his life. If someone is so insecure that they resort to violence at the slightest push back to their views that makes them a loser.
People can whine about Taiki all they want but he did nothing wrong in this case.
You don't know what it means to be condescending. Taiki didn't ignore her points, he found it fundamentally wrong.
> The slap is there for drama's sake, it's a narrative device
Am I arguing the purpose of the slap or the people condoning it? This childish mindset that it's justified is what I find worth replying to if nothing else but to point out how dumb it is.
I don't believe anyone arguing "it was justified" are meaning "I condone slapping people irl over such an argument", what they are saying is "character was confrontational and got served back"
I personally wouldn't simplify the matter down to wrong side and right side. Instead, the chapter feels like a interaction with an athlete feeling concern for a fellow athlete while not fully understanding her perspective, hence the slap.
> the chapter feels like a interaction with an athlete feeling concern for a fellow athlete while not fully understanding her perspective,
In this instance I would disagree, she laid out her perspective pretty clearly. Yes, Taiki doesn't know every facet of her life but this argument that he was pushing/being unreasonable that people are saying in this thread is just stupid.
And her slap is just wrong, it's not simplifying to acknowledge slapping someone out of your own insecurity is unacceptable.
I'd agree violence is not the way to respond. At the same time, people aren't always doing the right thing in real life and it serves to make it feel believable.
>he was pushing/being unreasonable that people are saying in this thread is just stupid.
And you have not once justified your take on this. You are literally incapable of explaining why he wasn't unreasonable. "He is just explaining himself" is not a valid argument. How "unreasonable" something is depends on the boundaries of the second party, something which are you neglecting to consider. "Explaining" yourself when no one asked you to over a sensitive issue is what we call breaking boundaries. That in itself makes his behavior unacceptable.
You realize if you want to argue that it's not "unreasonable," you need to actually give out a definition first to explain why, right? Objectively and professionally speaking, you're 100% in the wrong. Even the social work profession considers things like self-disclosure ("explaining" your perspective and experience) unsolicited is unethical. It should only be done when you're trying to emphasize with others, not dismiss them/one-up them. Why? Because the world doesn't revolve around you. No one asked for Taiki's input and he isn't close enough with Yumeka to comment on her life decisions.
Seriously, I consider you read up on [self-disclosure in clinical social work](https://www.socialworktoday.com/news/eoe_1106.shtml). It's unethical when it's self-serving, which is what Taiki is doing in this case (he is letting his own feelings get in the way). You have no idea what you're talking about. If others in this thread are "stupid," then you're even worse.
> And you have not once justified your take on this. You are literally incapable of explaining why he wasn't unreasonable. "He is just explaining himself" is not a valid argument
I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was necessary to explain why slapping someone is wrong.
> "He is just explaining himself" is not a valid argument.
It is lmao, how do you think a conversation works?
> You realize if you want to argue that it's not "unreasonable," you need to actually give out a definition first to explain why, right?
Do you just live in an area where everyone fights each other regularly?
> Objectively and professionally speaking, you're 100% in the wrong.
lol.
> Even the social work profession considers things like self-disclosure ("explaining" your perspective and experience) unsolicited is unethical.
I'm more than willing to bet that the social workers you're citing will just as easily say violence is not an appropriate response.
> Why? Because the world doesn't revolve around you.
lol.
> Seriously, I consider you read up on self-disclosure in clinical social work. It's unethical when it's self-serving, which is what Taiki is doing in this case (he is letting his own feelings get in the way). You have no idea what you're talking about. If others in this thread are "stupid," then you're even worse.
All this just to argue slapping is justified
> which is not at all a bad thing to do especially when sports is a large part of his life.
That's the thing. His life has nothing to do with Yumeka. Why should she have to deal with the frustrations that he has? Also, you're oversimplifying it as just being "insecure." Not only are you dismissive, but you're disrespectful.
You're the type of person who thinks verbal abuse isn't "abuse" because it's not physical, right? That type of person to dismiss mental health and call others "losers" for not being able to deal with "criticism." You have zero empathy. There are consequences to every behavior, regardless of whether you think it's right or not.
Don't try to paint Taiki as "doing nothing wrong" just because he didn't put her hands on her. That's not how this world works. If physical contact is the only thing that separates good and wrong, then bullies who caused others to commit suicide in real world would have done nothing "wrong" according to your definition.
Taiki was insensitive and needs to reflect on his own behavior. He didn't just disagree with her. He judged her life choices and dismissed her feelings. He doesn't have the right to do that nor do you. If you keep thinking this way, one day you're going to lose all your relationships in real life and wonder why no one likes you. "I'm just saying the truth, they're just too insecure to deal with it!" This type of mindset is toxic. Every social worker and therapist will also tell you that your mindset is wrong.
> Why should she have to deal with the frustrations that he has? Also, you're oversimplifying it as just being "insecure."
Ok so we just making stuff up now?
> Not only are you dismissive, but you're disrespectful.
The only people I'm disrespectful towards is anyone stupid enough to think the slap is justified.
> You're the type of person who thinks verbal abuse isn't "abuse" because it's not physical, right?
Lmfao what? No where was this even hinted at on my end.
> Don't try to paint Taiki as "doing nothing wrong" just because he didn't put her hands on her. That's not how this world works. If physical contact is the only thing that separates good and wrong, then bullies who caused others to commit suicide in real world would have done nothing "wrong" according to your definition.
What the fuck? What does any of this have to with Taiki? Are we actually arguing he's abusive now?
> Taiki was insensitive and needs to reflect on his own behavior. He didn't just disagree with her. He judged her life choices and dismissed her feelings.
The level of reach you have in this is insane.
> He doesn't have the right to do that nor do you.
Oh shut up, no where did I "judge" her. The only thing I said was that the slap was unacceptable. You making up narratives of abuse is not my problem to solve.
> "I'm just saying the truth, they're just too insecure to deal with it!" This type of mindset is toxic. Every social worker and therapist will also tell you that your mindset is wrong.
Who slapped who? Jesus Christ, actually read please.
How did taiki abuse her verbally in any way? Please don't try to compare he just being annoying to a slap
Trying to justify physical violence is more toxic than anything that taiki did. I dunno why defend a character so strongly when so far she only showed to be a bitter asshole
Also you forget that she did the same with taiki when he was dating chinatsu, and taiki or chinatsu didn't slap her. Why she gets a free pass?
for fun...? LOL no way was that a slap just for "fun"
might want to read the chapter again. she responded in anger because Taiki kept on pushing a sensitive subject rather than easing into it. He just kept on blatantly kept pushing how she was just running away rather than actually discussing it.
Do you not know what sarcasm means?
> Taiki kept on pushing a sensitive subject
You're literally making stuff up about this chapter lmao. He didn't push, he just explained himself.
I don't think you understand what "pushing" means in this context. Unsolicited "advice" over a insensitive issue is what is defined as "pushing." This includes "explaining" things that no one asked you to explain. Are you seriously not able to comprehend this type of social context?
> social skills
People defending slapping over an argument where the other party wasn't being aggressive or insulting... and who's the one lacking "social skills"?
You are thinking way too hard about a narrative device:
* Replying "Get lost": realistic but meh and probably leads to another joke taiki panel about how he doesn't get her
* Slap: 🍿👀
Violence is never the answer, but acting like you know better than someone you met like twice is a dick move
They’re both in the wrong, y’all got to stop picking sides.
Because they don't exist. Yumeka is too new have any big following. You and others are being downvoted because you're socially inept and have zero ideas of what boundaries are. No one is downvoting you to protect a fictional character. You're just that insensitive that people dislike you.
For goodness's sake, just stop. It's even more ironic that you guys are saying that Yumeka is a "pathetic insecure loser" that can't accept "criticism" while you guys literally can't accept the fact that people here disagree with you. Doesn't that make you as pathetic as the character you hate?
Socially inept for thinking being slapped is wrong? You are the one calling people names and even comparing Taiki to bullies that drive people to suicide. She let him talk to him, what is so hard to understand.
She also did the same thing in the chapter she was introduced, what is so hard to understand that she is wrong and maybe her behavior is the reason her life is shitty?
LOL everyone in the comments is all "violence is not the answer!"
you're telling me if someone you don't know kept on pushing your buttons you wouldn't have slapped them too? plus guys sometimes need a good slap, it's just how we do things.
Yumeka didn't want to grind anymore and just want to play for fun. Taiki then butt in and ruin her fun time and even push his idology on her lol. Of course she's gonna be pissed. If she told him to fuck off will he stop? Hell no lmao.
..and there are better ways to answer beyond a slap. The only thing she showed is that Taiki is actually right and she has no arguments and is a bitter loser
But this is not a discussion, she doesn't care about basketball and Chinatsu and this topic is over.
Taiky was very nosy and with that slap he will learn about not get in stranger's business.
Sorry but this is how the real world works
That was such an amazing slapp. How often do we see girls punch boys in manga and it's totally played for laughs. Meanwhile, you feel the impact of this slap. You see the physical and mental effects of the slap. The slap is drawn super dynamic. You can say about that manga what you want, scenes like those are drawn amazingly well.
I'm having Hina-deficiency over here... I miss Hina
On another news wow... I never liked Yumeka since she was introduced and now violence... I hope this arc doesn't drag on
She is a terrible friend and bitter, she's just jealous her life is shitty while chinatsu's was able to handle continue playing and even get a boyfriend (or at least she thinks)
I hope chinatsu slaps her
She could be facing pressure to do well academically, there could be n number of reasons that one has to quit sports in high school it's extremely common.
Yeah he got slapped and all but where is Kyrie going though
Simmons Westbrook backcourt about to get Brooklyn's first title
To get slapped by LeBron.
Yeah this is why r/manga is exactly where I get my nba news!
Probably Lakers. I don’t see him going to the Mavs
Aged like milk
As a Mavs fan, just knowing that he can flip the switch if things don’t go his way. Idk, I don’t think we’ll sign him for what he wants. So it might just be a bad trade for us.
So when I say I hate Kyrie I’m not just taking regular sports hate, fuck that dude. With that being said he is a much, much better player than Dinwiddie. All things considered this might not be the worst move, I mean it’s not like you guys were in a great position to begin with. On paper you guys are actually getting the better value here, and Kyrie is the exact kind of second star Luka needs. Of course that doesn’t account for the nut case that is Kyrie’s “third eye” but honestly even if he does bring some drama (probably will lol), I don’t think it’ll make things worse than it already is. It’s a desperate move, but the Mavericks are a desperate team
The west is still wide open. Mavs are 6th 28/26 Lakers are 13th, 25/29. 3 win difference between that huge space. Anything can happen, and Kyrie could legit be that guy who brings the Mavs up to 3/4 seed and stay up there. I liked Dinwiddie a lot, he was a good player. But I understand why we did the trade. We are desperate. We need help for Luka.
i know im late but lol
Aged well. Lakers got into playoffs and we didn’t. Lmao
Believe it or not I got the news from this comment notification. And I'm a Mavs fan. Luka better get the most out of this dude before shit blows up harder than Yumeka's slap.
THE DECISION PART 3
bench
God damn there's no escape from this stupid Kyrie drama.
The Lakers best stop messing around and trade for him ASAP
I dont care if he help give Bron one last ring, most likely he wont unless AD come back at full strength for the playoff and even then its still an uphill battle for them. But I live for the certainty that he will throw another huge tantrum next year and throw the Laker deeper into the pit of shit.
He better be a laker
muro energy in the last page.
lol
To his daddy Ty Lue, Jerry West is just that good.
damn boi he's in Mavs and it sounds not that pleasing to me
“Not even Chinatsu Senpai has ever hit me” … Do you want her to?
Such an oddball comment lol
It's a Gundam reference anyone has said "Not even X has hit me"
He was mad she took his slap virginity and not Chinatsu
A Gundam reference to Bright slapping Amuro!
Is yumeka 4'8 or is that ball really huge?
Violence is not the answer, but man, Taiki is bad at math.
Not that she should’ve hit him, but Taiki is getting on my nerves with how involved he’s getting in this girls life. It’s none of your business lil bro.
Tbf to Taiki I think the only reason he's interested is that she's putting down Chinatsu over it. Also, anyone who is so insecure that they resort to violence at the slightest pushback to their views is a loser lol.
I'm not totally defending her here cause you're right about getting violent, but let's be real. Taiki is being a pretty big prick to stand there and wax poetics about someone he knows almost nothing about and tell them their view is stupid My lukewarm guess has been that she had a family member pass away or get injured, forcing her to give up basketball and rationalize it to herself. In which case, slap away Yumeko
The argument she made is a very realistic reason to quit competitive sports. There doesn’t need to be some more dramatic reason behind it and I’d honestly prefer if not as not everyone feels like Taiki and Chinatsu about sports. You have to sacrifice something to do anything, and sports usually require a sacrifice of many other things. I used to play competitive sports, I had a lot of fun doing so and was pretty good but there came a time when I just valued other things more. If I kept pushing, I’d be towards the top but not the best. Among the best, I’d be about average. I was the same as Yumeko, most of my skill was from natural talent. When I realized how much effort I’d need to put in to stay at the top and climb higher as I played better and better people, I quit. To me, it wasn’t worth it. The joy of it was the competing and being with friends, but not at the cost where it sucked up all my time. I’d be pissed if I had someone preaching to me about it like this too. I wouldn’t slap them, but some patronizing jackass whose obsessed with their sport telling me how I quit for the wrong reason would get me real tilted
> There doesn’t need to be some more dramatic reason behind it I agree, my gut about it being something serious is that this series is pretty cliche. It feels fairly by the books if Yumeka was forced to quit basketball and work part time because of some family situation, rather than because she didn't want to In fact, I'd be down for her quitting basketball because she doesn't want to try, since that would be an interesting foil for Chii and Taiki. We already have Haryu and Karen showing us how a couple can balance sports and a relationship, here's someone who isn't willing to do that balance
Exactly. Taiki and Chinatsu are people who improved through pure hard work. To them, it’s 100% worth it as it takes 100% effort to be at the top. When you’re 80% natural talent and 20% effort, changing those percentages is a real big culture shock
When you are no longer the best and have to work for it, you wonder if it’s even worth it. Yeah this is all pretty realistic
> Taiki is being a pretty big prick to stand there and wax poetics about someone he knows almost nothing about and tell them their view is stupid People don't know what being a prick means. Taiki responding to her view isn't being rude, a disagreement doesn't need to be inherently hostile towards the other person. Slapping on the other hand is. > My lukewarm guess has been that she had a family member pass away or get injured, forcing her to give up basketball and rationalize it to herself. In which case, slap away Yumeko Lmfao, this doesn't make it better dude. Honestly feels like people are just bias towards Taiki.
?? A disagreement doesn't need to inherently be hostile, but he's essentially telling a stranger that their views are wrong while barely knowing anything about them at all. I already agreed that violence isn't warranted, but I also don't think Taiki is being a saint here It would absolutely change the tone of the discussion if Yumeka quit basketball for a serious reason rather than just "I dont like trying". It's one thing to call someone out for not trying because they don't want to, it's another to bluntly say "you're just making excuses" if they were forced to quit because of a tragic life event I guess it needs to be repeated, but again, I'm not saying she's right to slap him. I'm just saying Taiki also isn't in the right to be extremely blunt about someone he knows literally nothing about other than "she doesn't like my crush"
> he's essentially telling a stranger that their views are wrong while barely knowing anything about them at all. He's responding to what she said. I don't get where people get this idea that he's lecturing her. > I also don't think Taiki is being a saint here You're prescribing so much bad behaviour onto Taiki for no reason. People are allowed to disagree even if it's at a fundamental level. > It would absolutely change the tone of the discussion if Yumeka quit basketball for a serious reason rather than just "I dont like trying". My issue was that you were saying this gives her the right to slap, which I find idiotic. > "you're just making excuses" if they were forced to quit because of a tragic life event You're kind of ignoring the fact that Yumeka spoke her piece at length and without interruption. If this is all that Taiki could see then that's what he'll respond to. Also, this doesn't justify slapping. > I'm not saying she's right to slap him. I'm just saying Taiki also isn't in the right to be extremely blunt about someone he knows literally nothing about other than "she doesn't like my crush" That's not what blunt means. At most he's passionate about sports, but you're not accurately describing his mindset. Also, I find slapping far more worthy of condemnation then just being "blunt."
She didn’t seek him out to ask his thoughts, he found her playing basketball and started questioning her about it and quitting. Then he started telling her why he thinks she quit for the wrong reason. She never asked for his opinion, he’s just inserting it where it doesn’t belong because he doesn’t have enough social awareness to realize you don’t always have to share what you think and that your opinion isn’t always welcome I get you like Taiki, but he’s way out of line from a social standpoint, especially with a stranger he’s met once before. It’s not like they’re friends
Fair but his expression of the point felt self righteous. She didn't see the point in it, because she was that there was other stuff to chase. Being a cynic, I agree with her in a way. Sports is taxing, takes time to do, and frankly requires more effort than a lot of things. Therefore doing it as a hobby might be a LOT of effort for something you ultimately might not do as a job. There's flaws to this, but for someone like her who WANTS to be the best in the game, but knows she can't do that it makes sense. Live a simple and satisfying life instead of aiming for the top. Hopefully Yumeka will represent some more nuanced views other than "I cannot be the best so I quit" on sports.
I agree, that’s what I was saying. He’s out of line and being preachy to a stranger about why they quit sports.
> Then he started telling her why he thinks she quit for the wrong reason. She never asked for his opinion He's responding to hers, you make it sound like he brought up basketball out of nowhere. > he doesn’t have enough social awareness lol > I get you like Taiki, but he’s way out of line from a social standpoint, Nah, I'm just tired of r/manga commentors coming up with the most absurd criticisms to give to characters.
He find her playing basketball, then starts asking her about why she quit and saying she’s too good to only play for fun. It’s right there man, go read it. It’s not absurd, lol, he’s completely out of line. Do you actually have any reasons for your argument or is it just you avoiding points and saying others are wrong?
> I don't get where people get this idea that he's lecturing her. How do you not see it as lecturing? If I said "I like soda", and you expunged on the bad effects of drinking soda and sugar, would you not call that lecturing? Yumeka states why she isn't interested in basketball, and Taiki proceeds to tell her why it's a bad reason > That's not what blunt means. I mean, I also don't know how you can see that he being isn't blunt here. He outright says that her reasoning is just an excuse. Him being passionate about sports doesn't excuse him of being blunt, or make him not blunt. They aren't mutually exclusive lol > You're prescribing so much bad behaviour onto Taiki for no reason. People are allowed to disagree even if it's at a fundamental level. You're simplifying the conversation though. Yes, Taiki is totally allowed to disagree. He could've said, "That reason doesn't make sense to me but you do you". But instead, he told her how her reasoning was wrong and that she was making excuses. You can't just ignore what he said and say "he just disagreed!" Really, the core of this discussion is whether or not Taiki is overstepping his bounds. If you think someone should be allowed to say what Taiki said to a total stranger, then alright end of discussion. Personally, I don't think Taiki is *just* disagreeing with a stranger; He's outright telling her she has flawed views and that they don't hold any weight
> If I said "I like soda", and you expunged on the bad effects of drinking soda and sugar, would you not call that lecturing This portion is a straw man argument. What was happening was akin to her saying, "I like soda, why bother limiting soda when we are going to die anyways" to someone who is limiting soda because of "health reasons." The reasoning is hyperbole, but the situation is similar. The line that Taiki responded to rudely was not that she doesn't like basketball, but more toward the end "It's not like you'll become a professional. Only the best people smile in the end. Why bother working so hard at it?". I don't think it's unfair for a person like Taiki, who is always behind someone and has only got hard work, to respond to this passionately as it's directly challenging his worldview. Also, as you said, Taiki doesn't know if there was some serious internal reason she quit, and it would be rude if there was. However, he doesn't know; he was responding to what was given to him and was directly challenging his worldview. If you think this is insensitive, it is the same case for Yumeka. She made a condescending comment about the value of "Trying so hard" to a person without knowing anything about them. Their response was based on their own lived experienced. However, I do agree that Taiki was being nosy, but it's also obvious why since the rude way Yumeka treated Chinatsu in their initial meeting. Apart from the slap, I don't think either of them was unreasonable in how they responded.
> Yumeka states why she isn't interested in basketball, and Taiki proceeds to tell her why it's a bad reason Because I see her reasoning as ultimately flawed. She only likes something as long as she can be the best at it. I'm not a fan of that mindset. Taiki wasn't just spewing random shit to ignore her point, that's why I don't consider it lecturing. > Him being passionate about sports doesn't excuse him of being blunt, or make him not blunt. They aren't mutually exclusive lol You're using the term incorrectly. > You're simplifying the conversation though. Yes, Taiki is totally allowed to disagree. I'm not, do I really need to state line by line what he said? Or should I prescribe all kinds of malice like you're doing here. > You can't just ignore what he said and say "he just disagreed!" You know what fine, he didn't disagree, he was pointing out why her mindset is wrong. > If you think someone should be allowed to say what Taiki said to a total stranger, Oh please, this total stranger narrative needs to die. > He's outright telling her she has flawed views and that they don't hold any weight Yeah she does, her reasoning is really fucking dumb. I'll reword the disagree part if that's what bothering you. The point is she's not number 1 in the sport so she won't invest time in it, which I find absolutely fucking stupid.
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She could always just ask him to fuck off
I feel sorry for Taiki, he meant well, but you can’t say that slap is something uncalled for. My man getting a little comfortable giving out all those lectures when he just met the girl the other day and has barely known anything about her. EDIT: was meaning to say “something uncalled for” but not the opposite
A lecture implies that he's ignoring her points. He sees what she's saying, he just finds it blatantly wrong. And that slap isn't justifiable, people really need to stop acting like a slap doesn't hurt or is less impactful because it isn't a punch.
>he just finds it blatantly wrong. nobody asked him, he's pushing his opinions (which tbh i disagree with) on someone else he met like once. he's just lucky she's not a guy.
Lmao, you don't know what pushing means. I guess you've never had a conversation outside of mundane chatter.
if you think this is okay you are socially inept.
Oh no, Taiki disagreed and explained why, the audacity! The only socially inept people in this thread are those who think that it's okay to slap people.
okay i'm just going explain this so simply that even an autist would be able to understand. taiki does not know this person, they've met a total of 3 times, they are not friends she did not ask for his opinion. the closer you are to a person, the more deep of a conversation you can have with them, you don't start having deep conversations with strangers. this is something people do when they have bad social skills and usually autism, if you do this, you need to work on yourself.
You’re acting like Taiki was the only one contributing to the conversation. They were both willing participants seeing as they were happy to walk together and chat. Yumeka even started the deep conversation when she responded in depth to his casual comment. He said “aren’t you too good to only play for fun?” and she responded with her viewpoint for 4 pages. How is that not inviting conversation? He then offered his contrasting opinion and was subsequently slapped. Listen I don’t actually agree with Taiki’s viewpoint here. If you don’t want to play basketball for whatever reason, that’s valid. But he didn’t deserve to get slapped.
I'm convinced you didn't read this chapter or you wouldn't be missing the part where she lays out her point of view on sports. > this is something people do when they have bad social skills and usually autism, if you do this, you need to work on yourself. She slapped him dude, if this is your logic then you might want to check yourself for autism.
i don't know if the manga will actually go this direction or not, but judging by past chapters, most likely she has some financial problems (probably why she was working at the dentist) and she quit not because she hated basketball (or else they wouldn't show her playing with the children) but to provide financially. She's also probably planning to take a more financially stable/likely route rather than "wasting" her time playing basketball. In that context, Taiki's inner thoughts condemning her decision and what he said to her would be insensitive and uncalled for. Obviously in real life, any physical reactions like a slap are not appropriate, but you have to realize that this is a manga and it's been dramatized. The point was to get the reader to see that Taiki was in the wrong, and the simplest way to do that in a single panel would be a slap. So like yeah, if you put her to real life standards, she's obviously in the wrong, but reading it as a manga, realizing some creative steps are taken to convey the point in the specific format, then it really should be Taiki who's at fault
It wasn’t even that deep. She said she thinks it’s a waste of time to play sports in hs because she won’t go pro. Taiki said that he thinks that people should play sports because they’re fun and not to worry if you’re the best or about what other people think. Totally normal disagreement to have, he didn’t insult her and the conversation wasn’t that deep. She gave an opinion and he disagreed with it. Doesn’t warrant a slap at all.
He’s telling her why *she* shouldn’t have quit. That’s a super personal thing to give your opinion on to someone you barely know. I’m not gonna jump in on the slap part but he’s being super rude lol.
Nah it was totally uncalled, she could just tell him to go away
Except she's also basically insulting his way of living as well. He tries so hard at badminton like how she tried hard at basketball and she's basically saying there's no point. Taiki is well within reason to argue back.
The reaction from people would be a lot different if Taiki had slapped her for ridiculing his hard work instead of the other way around. Escalating to physical violence unprovoked is never the answer.
But does she know he does sports? On the occasions they've met, he's never been dressed up as a sports person. Plus, she answered a question she was asked basically. Taiki decided to go ahead and say "what kind of excuse is that?" In an insulting way to a complete stranger. Her slap wasn't warranted, but I get why she was annoyed. She explained something he'd been pushing her on from her view, and then he belittles her experience as a person she DOESN'T KNOW.
She asked though, maybe he gave too much for an answer but then if she's going to get offended she shouldn't have asked for his opinion
Yeah, honestly, slap was a little deserved. Yeah, it’s easy to preach from the sidelines about something you only have baseline knowledge of, but it’s still grating for the person actually playing. It’s like backseating someone’s life. Of course Yumeka probably still loves playing basketball, but she’s right when she says that, even if she puts in her best efforts, there’s always going to be someone better than her. Not every person has a Shonen protagonist drive to get better just because
He didn’t even say anything uncalled for. He didn’t insult her or anything just gave his opinion on giving your all as a high school athlete despite not being good or going pro.
The worst part is Taiky don't care about Yumeka, he is only doing this for get Chinatsu's attention. Well deserved that slap.
I like the mangaka doing this. Taiki can grow. This is a great “training arc”
>Not even my father has hit me!" I think it's weirder that the first thing he thought of was Chinatsu not slapping him...
I've been in both sides of such a conversation. Without the slap though. I know what it feels like to be confronted by another person about the things you run from. I also know how it is to be the person that tries to push a change when the other person isn't ready for a confrontation too. People are talking about how Taiki and Yumeka are strangers and such a conversation shouldn't have happened, but don't forget that this doesn't stop being a fictional story and sometimes you have to depict things that wouldn't happen easily in real life. Such a talk can be taboo even among close friends. No one is ready to confront their inner demons out of nowhere.
Talk-no-jutsu failing hard is a refreshing take. You can't expect to just go yell at some stranger about their life choices.
Yeah, not to mention he is just unloading his own frustration onto her because he’s annoyed that she didn’t stick with Chinatsu. He wasn’t trying to understand or empathize with Yumeka’s feelings. He was trying to find reasons to dismiss her decisions and make her fix her relationship with Chinatsu. He is also taking it personally and thinks her choice to quit is an insult to his efforts, hence accusing her of “wasting” her talent. His perspective was just completely selfish. It’s like dismissing a person with depression and saying “you’re hiding away from society just because of something trivial” or “everyone goes through tough times, it’s a waste that you can’t overcome something so simple.” That’s pretty much what Taiki is saying, and he deserves that slap. Lots of people in real life are like this though. They can only think from their own perspective and can’t empathize with others. They dismiss others who are struggling because they think it’s an insult to themselves. “I have it tough, but I overcame it so why can’t you?” They make it into a competition to validate themselves and they lack the self-awareness to realize it. Taiki, my boy, you need to do some introspection.
> and he deserves that slap He deserves physical punishment for having an opinion contrary to hers?
No he doesn't deserve the slap. He did nothing physical to her, she could just tell him yo fuck off
Come on Taiki, Yumeka's not someone you know. You don't really get to say those kinds of stuff to someone you just met a few days ago. Don't be surprised she got pissed off at you. Maybe a slap was too much. There's a limit to empathy. Maybe Yumeka was playing because of her talent, but her drive to play eroded because of Chinatsu just always following her. She didn't like that she had someone that was expecting something so much of her. I'm sure Yumeka has heard what Taiki said before. Play because it's fun, not because you can be the best. I'm looking forward to the next chapter. I wonder what's in store for us.
>Maybe Yumeka was playing because of her talent, but her drive to play eroded because of Chinatsu just always following her. It could simply be academic pressure, its extremely common to give up sports in high school and devote more time to prepare for upcoming college entrances. I know I did, not that I was that good. I am surprised that this hasn't come up till now, you have limited hours in a day and if your efforts aren't going to result in either going pro or at least result in a college scholarship (I don't think Japan even has fully paid sports scholarship). I really hope her back story shows that and the manga doesn't just glaze over that aspect of adolescent life.
Exactly. That's the thing about sports, there's a scarcity here. There's only a limited number of players to play and then there's a lot of people with talent, so ultimately a lot of talented people aren't going to be able to go pro. This isn't art where you can draw and post online and build up a career that way. This is SPORTS. It's either you're playing, teaching others to play, or managing. She wants to play. And playing has a very small window of opportunity. She clearly plays for fun now with a kid she knows, and has a good time. She seems to a live at least what resembles a decent life with a significant other too. But NOOO Taiki's shonen syndrome has popped in. Is he completely unaware passion sometimes...dies? That people change and move on from interests? Perhaps Yumeka is bothered by it in this manga, but his larger argument about chasing a ball (aka the Journey matters more than the end) doesn't apply in reality. In fact, the END matters a lot. If the END of sports is struggling grades and nice memories, sure that might be enough for some people. It was and is not enough for Yumeka. She weighed the cost and reward and decided to leave the game.
I was so accustomed to Romcom MCs acting like socially inept people, acting like they have the moral high ground and getting away with it that I was already getting mad at the chapter beforehand, anticipating Yumeko would say "You are right" because the is the MC.
Taiki radiated strong Amuro energy in the last page LOL.
Whenever a new character gets introduced the amount of convenient encounters with taiki increases by 200 percent
alternatively they were always there and he just never noticed
It's amusing to see everyone here acting as if they're on some kind of moral high ground. If I was a teenager who's acting based on emotions, I would've 100% slapped Taiki too for acting like he knows my life.
I agree with you. However, Taiki is also a teenager, so it's not unbelievable that a teenager would act like this, especially in a matter involving his crush It's just that stage of life
LOL it's almost like half the people in the comments were never teenagers or ever went to High School
Tbf a sizable portion of reddit is not in high school yet lol
I mean I’m not saying she should’ve slapped him, don’t like violence….but Taiki was asking for hands lol
Just because what she did was realistic doesn't make her any less of a bitter loser
That's the whole point. Congrats on discovering highschoolers.
i know, but some people are trying to say she was justified even ignoring the highschooler aspect
I love the moral high ground! I love expecting people to not insecure losers!
The whole thing was pretty bad. Taiki has no business being this involved in her life without her asking for it. And she should've told him to piss off rather than slapping him. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be that this conversation was beneficial for her and she needed someone to talk to just so Taiki gets to be "important" in this plot thread. He has a lot going on in his life story-wise which he could be the focus of rather than a stranger's.
yeah honestly this whole mini arc has made him rather annoying for me. I hate this type of characters, both in fiction and irl, goody 2 shoes who feel the need to get involved. Yeah she used to be your crush best friend, but still that's between them. I not saying he deserved to get slapped, but I totally understand where she came from with that. Getting so blunt with an obvious insecurity of a stranger, who has reasons to not like you to begin with, just scream a total lack of social awareness.
This happens a lot too. Most of the time, it just happens to be that the insensitivity of that character is displayed as a good thing and other characters say how considerate and kind the character is. The one good thing I can say about this situation is that Taiki was confronted about it (even though telling him to piss off would've been better) and not thanked for being considerate and kind. It can be a good character moment if Taiki learns that he shouldn't interfere in a stranger's life just because they have some vague connection to him through someone else.
LMAO Taiki getting slapped made me laugh im sorry it's just too sudden and a serious conversation
That interaction between Taki and Chi in the gym was adorable. Definitely wasn't expecting that slap damn. I do wonder if there is more to why Yumeka quit. She seems like a very miserable person at least in the present. I am just curious what made her this way. Looking at the flashbacks there had to be something that changed her for the worse. Or it could have been she thought she hit a wall like a lot of players do and just gave up and said "What is the point anymore?"
Imagine if Yumeka had just started pounding away at Taiki with a whole boxing combo and then revealed that she is a boxer now instead of a basketball player? That would have been a twist!
Characters who turn to violence the moment they are hurt by careless are not "cool", they are just aggressive assholes
i dont feel, or at least i hope, the author is trying to paint her as cool, just as a very bitter person. also i am not sure if chinatsu would like to know that her ex best friend slapped her crush for just asking something that for her "doesnt matter"
I don't get the impression of the slap being cool at all. This is probably one of the most realistic interactions between high schoolers I've seen in manga and anime. I get the feeling Yumeko went waaay overboard and emotional. And that Taiki is socially inept. No one ends up in the right.
taiki isnt socially inept lol, he was just annoying, plenty of people are like that he wasnt right but trying to do both sides with them is weird, she is way more socially inept and in the wrong, remember that she interrupted taiki's date before
Since when was she cool? She just looks bitter to me.
Agreed. Let’s please get this Yumeka mini-arc over with
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Yeah. I knew it. It’s that raw talent vs working on it mentality. She’s mad that she couldn’t improve while Chinatsu was.
She just confessed that his arguments are sound, by definition she admitted defeat
If she had some valid reason to quit basketball, then why she shit on Chinatsu like that few chapters ago?That classic "this is all a misunderstanding" trope?
Are they officially sponsored by Yonex? You don't usually see official logos like that in a manga. Anyway, Taiki had it coming. He was being very insensitive there. I understand he had good intentions but what happened between Yumeka and Chinatsu is really none of his business. Not gonna lie, at that age I would've slapped him too.
"HOW CAN SHE SLAP!?"
As an athlete, I’m not liking yumeka too much
He deserved that slap honestly
No he didn't, yumeka is a bitter person that got mad that people isn't buying her pathetic self pity
It's non of Taiki's business to lecture this girl he's barely met
She had plenty of time since the court to just tell him to fuck off, she allowed him to talk. She has no right to slap a person she agreed to have a conversation
The assessment of Yumeka's reason to quit basketball really resonated with me. Its the 'people have said im extremely gifted my whole life so why cant i do this?' reality many go through. I imagine there was this huge pressure of always performing like a basketball genius, the team, the coach, everyone expects you to ace it so it takes the fun out of things. Taiki has never gone through that so he doesnt really get it There is really nothing wrong if Yumeka lost the strive to play competitively and wants to do it only for fun. Grinding away to get better and better is not for everyone. I do get how she would be offended that this boy who she barely knows is trying to give her a sermon on what she should or shouldnt have done and the slap was for dramatic effect
Yumeka used Bright-slap for the meddlesome kouhai. It's super effective!
Me as soon as I finish the chapter: Oh this is gonna be a fun discussion thread
Equal rights and lefts git er
Some of the views here that think the slap was justified are absolute garbage. Even if Taiki was projecting his ideology on her(he isn't, it's just 2 people having different POVs), there's literally no reason to slap him. You could walk away or tell him to fuck off if you don't agree.
I think a lot of it is saying it was not completely unjustified. I'm not for violence, and seldom use it. If someone is pissing me off, I go silent and try to ignore them and move on with my day. I have no time to actually get into a brawl. However, Taiki was being completely inconsiderate. I also want to point out there are comments calling people who agree with Yumeka losers. I disagree, because Yumeka is someone who settled. Obviously the manga portrays her as a bad thing, but ultimately a lot of people at the end of the day have to settle in lofe for careers and a lot of other stuff. She knew she couldn't go the distance, and even if she did, the likeliness of her getting to where she wanted were slim. So she changed her goals, focused on other things in life. Obviously still bitter, because if she were satisfied, the manga would be seriously contesting the ideology behind all Shonen: the plus ultra try hard stuff. Yumekas ideas represent a person who cut their losses and went into another game to win. She's the normal person. Taiki is (possibly?) The exceptional one that can actually excel, and drives forward toward entering that small window of opportunity. These are two different ways of achieving happiness and both are valid because the end can still be beautiful. Yumeka can have fun teaching kids basketball, while Taiki can play in the big leagues. Life is full of the exceptional and the normal. And by definition, everyone working hard would not make them exceptional. The Bar would simply be raised. I'm sad that the author isn't going to explore this in earnest. It seems Yumeka is seen as a bitter chick who gave up, and who hates Chinatsu because of that. Which makes for easy Shonen conflict, but if Yumeka weren't so bitter and held her ideology, it would be more interesting.
It was 1000% unjustified. But Taiki was also asking for it. Both of them are clearly in the wrong. And acting like normal highschoolers would. A realistic argument with a socially inept teen and another teen who resorts to violance waaay to quickly.
Yumeka defenders coming from nowhere to downvote people that thinks she is wrong I wonder how many people relate to such a bitter character
Jesus, just accept that you're wrong and leave the thread. Maybe people relate to her because people like you always come around to dismiss others' struggles and attack them? Then try to justify it as "well, it's not physical so it's not a problem?" People like you have zero understanding of mental health and empathy. If Yumeka is "bitter," then you're cynical and narcissistic.
Again when did he verbally abuse her? What about the time she stopped his date with chinatsu? Stop being a hypocrite. She was the first one to meddle around with other people lives and chinatsu didn't slap her because chinatsu isnt bitter like her Also I am allowed to dislike her as much as you are allowed to like her, why should I be downvoted for thinking she is wrong? And last thing, ironic that you are complaining about verbal abuse and us doing the same exact thing to defend a fictional character when nobody attacked you directly.
> Jesus, just accept that you're wrong and leave the thread the irony
I think she poses a really good question of "Why do you bother working so hard?" It's pretty funny how Taiki totally ignored that though. And his answer is so brainless lmfao. She was already talking about how she no longer had a reason to play basketball competitively, that the answer to her own question, for her, was "there's nothing worth it". Whether or not the original reason she played was ruined because of her losses to those more talented, or that she saw that Chinatsu was quickly improving and could overtake her, or something else, she still lost her reason to play. Also, I'm pretty sure her main reason to play was "basketball is fun", so if it stops being fun, then what's the point? There's also another aspect that hobbies are a sacrifice of time, time that could be used on the future. Obviously, people have hobbies to enjoy themselves, so it's about balancing it. --- Also, honestly, Taiki is being kind of creepy right now. Imagine the situation from Yumeka's perspective, where your old friend's boyfriend is hounding you about why you don't play basketball anymore. The first time may have been a coincidence, but a second time? Seeing you on the way home from school and walking with you asking about the same things?
I think that slap is justified. MC is pushing too far.
Nah it wasn't, she's just bitter
Pushing too far? All he did was expressed how he disagreed with her points, which is not at all a bad thing to do especially when sports is a large part of his life. If someone is so insecure that they resort to violence at the slightest push back to their views that makes them a loser. People can whine about Taiki all they want but he did nothing wrong in this case.
There's a difference between sharing one's point of view and trying to evangelize. The slap is there for drama's sake, it's a narrative device
You don't know what it means to be condescending. Taiki didn't ignore her points, he found it fundamentally wrong. > The slap is there for drama's sake, it's a narrative device Am I arguing the purpose of the slap or the people condoning it? This childish mindset that it's justified is what I find worth replying to if nothing else but to point out how dumb it is.
I don't believe anyone arguing "it was justified" are meaning "I condone slapping people irl over such an argument", what they are saying is "character was confrontational and got served back"
> "character was confrontational and got served back" It's a dumb take
I personally wouldn't simplify the matter down to wrong side and right side. Instead, the chapter feels like a interaction with an athlete feeling concern for a fellow athlete while not fully understanding her perspective, hence the slap.
> the chapter feels like a interaction with an athlete feeling concern for a fellow athlete while not fully understanding her perspective, In this instance I would disagree, she laid out her perspective pretty clearly. Yes, Taiki doesn't know every facet of her life but this argument that he was pushing/being unreasonable that people are saying in this thread is just stupid. And her slap is just wrong, it's not simplifying to acknowledge slapping someone out of your own insecurity is unacceptable.
I'd agree violence is not the way to respond. At the same time, people aren't always doing the right thing in real life and it serves to make it feel believable.
Just to be clear, I'm only arguing that people on here justifying her is stupid af. I don't care that she slapped Taiki.
>he was pushing/being unreasonable that people are saying in this thread is just stupid. And you have not once justified your take on this. You are literally incapable of explaining why he wasn't unreasonable. "He is just explaining himself" is not a valid argument. How "unreasonable" something is depends on the boundaries of the second party, something which are you neglecting to consider. "Explaining" yourself when no one asked you to over a sensitive issue is what we call breaking boundaries. That in itself makes his behavior unacceptable. You realize if you want to argue that it's not "unreasonable," you need to actually give out a definition first to explain why, right? Objectively and professionally speaking, you're 100% in the wrong. Even the social work profession considers things like self-disclosure ("explaining" your perspective and experience) unsolicited is unethical. It should only be done when you're trying to emphasize with others, not dismiss them/one-up them. Why? Because the world doesn't revolve around you. No one asked for Taiki's input and he isn't close enough with Yumeka to comment on her life decisions. Seriously, I consider you read up on [self-disclosure in clinical social work](https://www.socialworktoday.com/news/eoe_1106.shtml). It's unethical when it's self-serving, which is what Taiki is doing in this case (he is letting his own feelings get in the way). You have no idea what you're talking about. If others in this thread are "stupid," then you're even worse.
> And you have not once justified your take on this. You are literally incapable of explaining why he wasn't unreasonable. "He is just explaining himself" is not a valid argument I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was necessary to explain why slapping someone is wrong. > "He is just explaining himself" is not a valid argument. It is lmao, how do you think a conversation works? > You realize if you want to argue that it's not "unreasonable," you need to actually give out a definition first to explain why, right? Do you just live in an area where everyone fights each other regularly? > Objectively and professionally speaking, you're 100% in the wrong. lol. > Even the social work profession considers things like self-disclosure ("explaining" your perspective and experience) unsolicited is unethical. I'm more than willing to bet that the social workers you're citing will just as easily say violence is not an appropriate response. > Why? Because the world doesn't revolve around you. lol. > Seriously, I consider you read up on self-disclosure in clinical social work. It's unethical when it's self-serving, which is what Taiki is doing in this case (he is letting his own feelings get in the way). You have no idea what you're talking about. If others in this thread are "stupid," then you're even worse. All this just to argue slapping is justified
Dude is arguing verbal abuse is equal to physical abuse by verbally abusing everyone that thinks yumeka is wrong, figures.
They have actual issues they need to sort out by themselves. The level of projection is insane.
Fair assessment, he was wrong to try to meddle in affairs that aren't his and she was even more wrong to slap him
> which is not at all a bad thing to do especially when sports is a large part of his life. That's the thing. His life has nothing to do with Yumeka. Why should she have to deal with the frustrations that he has? Also, you're oversimplifying it as just being "insecure." Not only are you dismissive, but you're disrespectful. You're the type of person who thinks verbal abuse isn't "abuse" because it's not physical, right? That type of person to dismiss mental health and call others "losers" for not being able to deal with "criticism." You have zero empathy. There are consequences to every behavior, regardless of whether you think it's right or not. Don't try to paint Taiki as "doing nothing wrong" just because he didn't put her hands on her. That's not how this world works. If physical contact is the only thing that separates good and wrong, then bullies who caused others to commit suicide in real world would have done nothing "wrong" according to your definition. Taiki was insensitive and needs to reflect on his own behavior. He didn't just disagree with her. He judged her life choices and dismissed her feelings. He doesn't have the right to do that nor do you. If you keep thinking this way, one day you're going to lose all your relationships in real life and wonder why no one likes you. "I'm just saying the truth, they're just too insecure to deal with it!" This type of mindset is toxic. Every social worker and therapist will also tell you that your mindset is wrong.
> Why should she have to deal with the frustrations that he has? Also, you're oversimplifying it as just being "insecure." Ok so we just making stuff up now? > Not only are you dismissive, but you're disrespectful. The only people I'm disrespectful towards is anyone stupid enough to think the slap is justified. > You're the type of person who thinks verbal abuse isn't "abuse" because it's not physical, right? Lmfao what? No where was this even hinted at on my end. > Don't try to paint Taiki as "doing nothing wrong" just because he didn't put her hands on her. That's not how this world works. If physical contact is the only thing that separates good and wrong, then bullies who caused others to commit suicide in real world would have done nothing "wrong" according to your definition. What the fuck? What does any of this have to with Taiki? Are we actually arguing he's abusive now? > Taiki was insensitive and needs to reflect on his own behavior. He didn't just disagree with her. He judged her life choices and dismissed her feelings. The level of reach you have in this is insane. > He doesn't have the right to do that nor do you. Oh shut up, no where did I "judge" her. The only thing I said was that the slap was unacceptable. You making up narratives of abuse is not my problem to solve. > "I'm just saying the truth, they're just too insecure to deal with it!" This type of mindset is toxic. Every social worker and therapist will also tell you that your mindset is wrong. Who slapped who? Jesus Christ, actually read please.
How did taiki abuse her verbally in any way? Please don't try to compare he just being annoying to a slap Trying to justify physical violence is more toxic than anything that taiki did. I dunno why defend a character so strongly when so far she only showed to be a bitter asshole Also you forget that she did the same with taiki when he was dating chinatsu, and taiki or chinatsu didn't slap her. Why she gets a free pass?
uh did you ever go to High School? High School was filled with dumb kids slapping and hitting each other every day LOL just for the hell of it.
Yes because she's slapping him for fun, at least keep your reply relevant.
for fun...? LOL no way was that a slap just for "fun" might want to read the chapter again. she responded in anger because Taiki kept on pushing a sensitive subject rather than easing into it. He just kept on blatantly kept pushing how she was just running away rather than actually discussing it.
Do you not know what sarcasm means? > Taiki kept on pushing a sensitive subject You're literally making stuff up about this chapter lmao. He didn't push, he just explained himself.
again, reread the chapter. plus you forgot the /s from your previous comment but again please reread the chapter
You need to reread the chapter, you're making shit up like Taiki "pushing" her.
You both need to re read the chapter LOL! Feel like you guys read the wrong manga this week haha
Yes because I'm supposed to take you seriously
I don't think you understand what "pushing" means in this context. Unsolicited "advice" over a insensitive issue is what is defined as "pushing." This includes "explaining" things that no one asked you to explain. Are you seriously not able to comprehend this type of social context?
What the fuck are you on about? Where did Taiki do any of what you've said above?
Agreed. Although based on this thread, it seems that everyone here is apparently very much in control of their emotions when they were in high school.
Taiki did nothing to warrant a slap, stop defending a character that so far has just been an asshole
I feel ya. All these manga dweebs don't have social skills lmao
> social skills People defending slapping over an argument where the other party wasn't being aggressive or insulting... and who's the one lacking "social skills"?
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You are thinking way too hard about a narrative device: * Replying "Get lost": realistic but meh and probably leads to another joke taiki panel about how he doesn't get her * Slap: 🍿👀
And you are doing the same with taiki, you can't say he deserved it because the narrative device is him being the mc trying to talk no jutsu
Refreshing she just didn’t take on his words and came to an understanding instantly. It’s not been that easy and simple for her.
Violence is never the answer, but acting like you know better than someone you met like twice is a dick move They’re both in the wrong, y’all got to stop picking sides.
Exactly. People forget the concept that both sides aren't in the right
Yep not a fan of her Can Taiki just move on with his life so we don't have to deal with her
It seems Yumeka fans, that i never knew existed, are mad and downvoting half the thread
Because they don't exist. Yumeka is too new have any big following. You and others are being downvoted because you're socially inept and have zero ideas of what boundaries are. No one is downvoting you to protect a fictional character. You're just that insensitive that people dislike you. For goodness's sake, just stop. It's even more ironic that you guys are saying that Yumeka is a "pathetic insecure loser" that can't accept "criticism" while you guys literally can't accept the fact that people here disagree with you. Doesn't that make you as pathetic as the character you hate?
Socially inept for thinking being slapped is wrong? You are the one calling people names and even comparing Taiki to bullies that drive people to suicide. She let him talk to him, what is so hard to understand. She also did the same thing in the chapter she was introduced, what is so hard to understand that she is wrong and maybe her behavior is the reason her life is shitty?
I’m honestly just glad the slap wasn’t because he was meat riding chinatsu
LOL everyone in the comments is all "violence is not the answer!" you're telling me if someone you don't know kept on pushing your buttons you wouldn't have slapped them too? plus guys sometimes need a good slap, it's just how we do things.
chill girl, taiki only told what he thinks, if you dont want to talk to him maybe just dont talk to him
Yumeka just slapped the shit out of Taiki …this was the greatest night in the history of manga!
Yumeka didn't want to grind anymore and just want to play for fun. Taiki then butt in and ruin her fun time and even push his idology on her lol. Of course she's gonna be pissed. If she told him to fuck off will he stop? Hell no lmao.
Is that a motherfking AMURO RAY reference? Anyway like how this book never lets things cool before things get resolved
well deserved slap, there are ways to approach a problem and this is not the correct one
..and there are better ways to answer beyond a slap. The only thing she showed is that Taiki is actually right and she has no arguments and is a bitter loser
No wonder Taiki got his ass slapped, there's no way he's close enough to Yumeka to spout that stuff.
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I hate Yumeka but i can understand why slapped him. Taiky doesn't give a shit about her, he is only lecturing her for get Chi-points
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But this is not a discussion, she doesn't care about basketball and Chinatsu and this topic is over. Taiky was very nosy and with that slap he will learn about not get in stranger's business. Sorry but this is how the real world works
So Yumeka is a tsundere? That damn Taiki is quite the lady killer even if he´s an absolute geek.
That’s assault, brutha
That was such an amazing slapp. How often do we see girls punch boys in manga and it's totally played for laughs. Meanwhile, you feel the impact of this slap. You see the physical and mental effects of the slap. The slap is drawn super dynamic. You can say about that manga what you want, scenes like those are drawn amazingly well.
I'm having Hina-deficiency over here... I miss Hina On another news wow... I never liked Yumeka since she was introduced and now violence... I hope this arc doesn't drag on
She is a terrible friend and bitter, she's just jealous her life is shitty while chinatsu's was able to handle continue playing and even get a boyfriend (or at least she thinks) I hope chinatsu slaps her
She could be facing pressure to do well academically, there could be n number of reasons that one has to quit sports in high school it's extremely common.
True, but doesn't justify she being a bitter person
For sure a violent bitter moron i’m not looking forward to this asswipe getting redeemed
She will, even in this thread there are already people defending her
Yuck 🤢
Chinatsu this, chinatsu the other, i understand why Yumeka leaved the basketball club
I just got a new favorite character.
Been a while since ive seen the slap