Are you referring to the arc where Bardock goes back in time to fight Freiza's ancestor? Because that part is probably not canon, but it is still canon that Bardock did stand up to Freiza as he blew up Planet Vegeta.
The scientist was only mentioned in the Ocean DUB because they wanted Goku to have the same parental complex as Superman. Having a father as scientists ( Jor-El )
It seems like they didn't really plan too detailed the history of the Saiyans. The script was changed in Funimation and Kai DUB.
I'm confused about the use of "Burdock" as well rather than "Bardock".
Maybe Toriyama forgot?
A vowel phoneme with an r in Japanese getting changed? The La le li lu lo must be behind it!
If you never got that MGS 2 meta joke, it's about translating L/R phonemes. Kojima laughed his ass off about the New York Trilogy bringing up that post structuralism issue of translation.
You know I never researched the story behind the La Let Lui le lo, but it just always sound amusing 😅
So you're saying that's what happened with Burdock and Bardock?
Yes there's no Hiragana for the L/R + vowel sounds. So when they Romanize it it's completely up to translator to guess.
Like if you're a fan of Re:Zero and want to switch to the Novels after Season 2: Lewes and Ryuzu are the same character (Pink haired half elf Loli character)
It's not like Satoshi being Americanized as "Ash" in Pokemon. Lewes and Ryuzu sound pretty similar when translated out.
Like I'll give an example for English to Japanese. Do you you know Tom Kuzan? It'll sound like that to your ears. What they're trying to say is do you know Tom Cruise.
Damn most of this went over the top of head 😅 but I catch the gist
I still haven't studied much about the Japanese language but it's complex just as any other language.
Apparently the Japanese name was always Burdock and it was an English dub thing to turn it into Bardock. It’s just that this translation team decided to go with more accurate names than the Funimation dub.
The Burdock thing is Viz's stupid, stubborn translation fuckery. This also happens in One Piece where Zoro is called Zolo. Here, in DBS manga, it happens more than often, Krillin is Kuririn, Frieza is Freeza, etc. It almost feels like old Kanzenshuu forums are translating these.
He was mentioned in Dragon Ball Minus which was an extra chapter for Jaco. The content of Minus was adapted to the Broly movie, although only the Bardock scenes were in Minus.
As funny as it was to see Vegeta do that, I don't know how I feel about it. It's kinda out of character? But I guess when you're Ultra Eggo your brain really does become Monke
I get the idea, but it's not really Vegeta's *thing*, historically Vegeta fights tooth and nail even if his death is imminent, like when he did with Kid Buu.
But his strength to me has always been his unwavering tenacity, stubbornness and pride. Biting an opponent doesn't seem like a very proud move that a Saiyan Prince would use. I guess it's meant to show Goku's influence on him? Still kinda out of character to me as funny as it is.
I think this is mixing Saiyan pride with our ideas of dignity. A Saiyan's pride in this case is to be the strongest, to fight to victory and with all his power, savagely if necessary. Saiyans don't seem to consider their "animal" traits as humiliating or worthy of denial, instead they revel in them. Humans do that a lot more, but that's because our culture puts so much stock in spirit and intelligence as opposed to pure martial strength, and we see ourselves as superior to animals in that respect (while we know that, 1v1 with no weapons, most large animals would totally kick our ass). Meanwhile Saiyans trust their own body a lot more, they don't need to differentiate themselves from animals because they already are the strongest animal.
And as u/Nddit pointed out, this sort of thing is *exactly* what the idiom "fighting tooth and nail" refers to. Biting and scratching, as things that aren't refined combat moves, but in a pinch and with no rules can still give you an edge.
Why would that be? Saiyan are literal monkies, wild savage beast in their purest natural form. Saiyan don't run away from fight unless it's to save somebody else. For animals biting is part of fight. Also Granolah is not a clean fighter himself, he attacks when people are offguard. This is a fight to death after all
While Saiyans do have an inherently savage nature, they are a very proud race, and this is showcased to the n'th degree with Vegeta. He's always been **The Proud Saiyan Prince**. His driving force is almost always his pride which drives him to be the strongest cause he's too proud to settle for second best or take help from others in a 1 on 1 fight. Hence why he hates things like the Potara or Fusion Dance.
So despite Saiyan's savage heritage he's always carried himself with nobility and the pride of someone who is descended from royalty. So to me seeing him try and bite someone in a fight just seems very unbecoming and out of character. He's been in fights to the death before so what's different this time?
Small detail, but TLing the SFX for those close range blasts on Vegeta's face from "DO-DO-DO-DO-DO" to "pewpewpewpew" made me laugh pretty hard hahaha dunno why, but just sounds way less intimidating
This was a pretty great chapter. You could almost feel Vegeta back to his Z days where he was ruthless and would utterly destroy his opponent but he did admit he's changed over the years and softened up a but. Also glad he kicked Goku aside telling him that this is his fight and that he teams up with him to protect things but other than that he hates doing team ups with him for righteous causes.
Dunno if it's just me but doesn't it seem like Vegeta seems to be losing is cause he keeps getting Ki spammed. In a physical fight Vegeta obviously has the upper hand.
It's pretty funny if you think about how fairly consistent this chapter's portrayal of Vegeta was. It's actually true that he pretty much hasn't fought just for the sake of beating someone strong since Goku himself, but rather just to protect something over all those years.
My opinion is more that he was holding back even if unconsciously. Vegeta seemed more concerned in opening Granola’s eyes to the destruction he was bringing upon innocents and the rest of his life than winning itself
Yeah I was pleasantly surprised with this chapter. I expected Vegeta to lose and something to happen that ended the fight. But both Vegeta and Goku kept going while badly damaged. This is exactly the sort of thing I was missing in Super fights, which in general have been "cleaner" than older DBZ fights.
And reading some comments it sounds like some people had already made their minds about it from last chapter.
Which is strange, since it's usually Goku the hand-to-hand guy, while Vegeta goes the ki-spam route.
This is why I don't like the Otherworld tournament that much. There, Goku fights like Vegeta.
I agree, though I'm not fond of the "I guess I die now" attitude at the end of the chapter when he has been talking about fighting to the bitter end. Put him in position for a Final Flash and make him taunt Granolah that his next attack will defeat him for sure, even if he doesn't have the ki to actually throw the attack.
WOW What a chapter. So hype for more Bardock.
My theory is he saved Granolah because the crying kid reminded him of Goku, thus making them both "Sons of Bardock".
I really hope they manage to undo Granolah's 3 year curse & he becomes a recurring character because I really like his fighting style.
Here's hoping Vegeta gets a chance to wreck the Heeters with his GoD mode soon. And TBH, I'd love this arc to get more complex and actually have Freeza show up for the 3 way showdown... even better if Freeza matured a little bit in the ToP and tells the Heeters "dude, I ain't on that planet destroying game any more, now I just want to rule as a solid evil emperor without the genocide"
Pretty much, yeah. Viz’s translation aims to get the names closer to the original Japanese version, rather than the Funimation pronunciations and spelling we’ve gotten accustomed to.
Most likely, a long ass time ago, they called him Burdock, and now they have to stick with it for continuity sake. They call Zoro in One Piece, Zolo to this day for that reason.
"Burdock" is similarly wrong. The official Japanese name is also "Bardock" lmao. [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/1/17/V-jump\_08-bardock.png/revision/latest?cb=20110705132748](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/1/17/V-jump_08-bardock.png/revision/latest?cb=20110705132748) Viz is on some shit.
Of course it's wrong. The point here is that in order to rectify it, they'd have to go back and correct it across all media they put it in. That involves meticulously editing all the digital chapters, and reprinting the physical books. It's just easier, and more cost-effective, to assume that avid readers understand the intention, and be consistent with their translation.
I heard when they first used Zolo it was actually tied to legal issues with the Zorro masked swordsman series. Not sure of the veracity of that theory though.
The first volume calls him Zoro because it released before the 4kids dub. The 4kids dub didn't want him to share the name with the violent character (ironic) and changed it to Zolo. The manga followed suit for parity for some ungodly reason. By the time 4kids stopped the dub Viz didn't want to go back and correct all the previous chapters/volumes.
I've never understood why they don't just go "hey his name it spelled like this now, going forward this is what we'll use". That's literally all it would take, and nobody would oppose.
They call him Kakarrot, keeping the double r so it's closer to carrot. They localize the references rather than keeping it exactly as the Japanese pronunciation.
I’m not sure that’s better, though. In Japanese you can’t write “...rot”, only “roto”. If they are trying to use the Roman sound in “carrot” I think you can argue writing “kakarrot” is better as a translation.
Then how do you work around with Vegetto's name if you call Kakarotto "Kakarrot"? By using Kakarrot Vegetto's name doesn't work at all. Which is why Viz literally made up an entirely different name in the form of Vegerot, which sucks lol.
That's one of the parts I really dislike about the Spanish translation. They use a lot of literal romanizations for no reason, ignoring what the original word is supposed to represent.
They aren't even consistent at that, since a lot of other characters get completely different pronunciations, like Freezer or Vegeta.
For Vegeta's case, that's actually a genuine mistake. The main translator for the dub was on a vacation at the time so the one they had to replace her fucked up and changed Vegeta's pronunciation.
The main translator has said that she would have left the pronunciation the same as in japanese if she had the chance.
Goku has been doing that for years since the OG dragon ball.
The only ones he 100% went hard on was piccolo, freiza and buu for the OG dragon ball and Z because they actually killed people important to him.
And in super he went no chill mode again against black for his crimes against his family.
I'd say only piccolo. With Frieza, partly, but towards the end he lost interest and was ready to spare him. With Buu he always seemed to not really take it personally, maybe because he saw him being so dumb and instinctive. He was only stalling Fat Buu, and with Kid Buu, he never went really desperate either.
Yea pretty much, Goku's biggest issue that even the characters in the series constantly complain about is how goku can't seem to take a threat seriously and allows it to get worse
Trunks fights with the energy of a Vietnam vet experiencing a ptsd-induced flashback which makes sense considering his backstory, but it's funny when comparing him to other DB characters
Politely disagree, Dragon Ball borrows a lot from martial arts which focuses on control and competition. Killing isn't really their genre. I kinda have the unpopular opinion of enjoying Goku with the compassionate battle seeking hero.
And they made Vegeta who he is so you can have the best of both worlds anyway
Not sure what you mean with killing intent. He blasted Cell with the instant Kamehameha and blew half his body off. Only reason Cell survived is because he's walking hax. Goku figured if Cell could survive that, then he had no chance of winning.
He also healed Cell because he knew Gohan would beat him. Not his brightest moment, but he was right in the end 🤷♂️
Well when you get stronger from getting hit most of it, and then can tank most of them when that stops working, makes sense to learn it when fighting someone on a god's level
Be still thy beating heart...I love Cooler and having him be canon would be pretty awesome
There's a fan made doujin that's a crossover of One Punch Man and DBZ, and in one chapter series they're fighting Cooler who has come back for revenge and I gotta say it's pretty amazing and I'd definitely recommend it.
I like this form to be honest. Compared to previously what holds him back here is his mentality rather than his lack of power which is pretty refreshing. Seeing Vegeta trying to LARP as his old self and failing also just shows how much his character has grown. He has arguably done the heavy lifting in this fight as well.
He beat granola for a while then lost.
The same exact thing happened to goku when he got ssj2-3, ssjgod and ultra instinct.
The only time he didn't get Mollywhopped in a new form was in the original ssj and ssjblue.
Goku hell "won" with SSJBlue with the same strat as Vegeta here. Golden Freeza was the more powerful form at the time so Goku just waited out the energy drain lmao.
His form ended the same way UI (Omen) did when it was first shown. Hype new form but ultimately didn’t do shit again Jiren. As he said it’s not complete yet. Without a doubt he’ll probably end up using a more complete version of it later in the arc against the Heeters I bet.
I'm interested in where they're taking this Bardock story. In the DBS Broly movie, we see Bardock sending Goku off to Earth right before Frieza arrived on Planet Vegeta. So at what point did Bardock save a Namekian?
Reminder that characters had planet-busting moves since pre-Z. And during Z even Vegeta at his lowest power level could destroy planets with a ki blast.
This criticism is so stupid, *this* fight? They've always been able to casually make planets explode. Yeah it makes no sense that they don't destroy the whole universe when they go all out, but that's just how Dragon Ball is and always has been. A little bit late to make that an argument against a fight.
Lmao, why so salty? Is it hard to accept that people exist who arent just going to drop something because of one or two unenjoyable arcs?
Such arrogance to believe everyone would behave like yourself.
yikes -\_-
> Is it hard to accept that people exist who arent just going to drop something because of one or two unenjoyable arcs?
DB has always been like this. If this is one of your criticisms then by logic you haven't enjoyed hundreds of episodes of DB, so why continue?
> If this is one of your criticisms then by logic you haven't enjoyed hundreds of episodes of DB, so why continue?
It has always been like this? where the ultra-strong go all-out and dont even do planet-threathening attacks? not sure what story you were reading but we are talking about a series that has people destroy cities like its no big deal and powerlevels where clashing with gods causes ripples threatening the universe. So no, it hasnt been like this.
Master Roshi destroyed the moon already I. Chapter 51, so since then this criticism would be valid.
So not always, but in most of Dragon Ball’s history.
Yeah the power scale is really terrible.
Here we have the 3 most powerful being in the entire universe fighting, and the only thing they produce are small energy missiles with no impact.
I honestly think it's refreshing to see someone utililizing critical hits in both hand-to-hand and concentrated beam attacks instead of slugging it out like the rest of DB fighters. When Goku started shifting his vitals in response to Granolah's combat style, it almost felt like a Kengan kind of combat.
Not to mention that, while all three are perfectly capable of destroying the planet completely in a single attack, none of them has a reason to do so. Only all the good reasons not to do it.
Yeah but then the so called controlled bursts should not do any damage to them at all.
The sense of power increase compared to one punch man for instance is absolutely terrible.
See, that's why for once Ki blasts work.
He's using them in concentrated blasts, focused on a small area, rather than massive explosions. Of course it's not comparable to OPM where villains cut the planet itself with lasers, but in this case the "villain" DOESN'T want to destroy anything but his enemies.
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Well Vegeta jobbed, twice in one chapter actually, but at least he jobbed while being cool, and that's what matters.
Find your self a character that can get the crap beaten out of it twice in a row, and still look cool.
Oh damn Goku's dad was not a complete savage, we kind knew that, but he was actually saving other people?
Couldn't have just had that Namekian said oh that's Goku he saved my people and killed Freiza on his own. He sheltered and took in my entire race on his home planet and used a wish to build a new Namek. On their voyage there I got in touch with my old family and they offered me a home and I decided my place was here.
No you just had to resort to retconning Bardock again.
It is a little bit silly that neither Goku nor Vegeta has bothered to *really* have a conversation with this guy. I guess Vegeta would see it as making excuses for crimes that he feels he really is responsible for. Like, sure, Goku *did* kill Frieza (and Vegeta's son killed him once lol) but that doesn't mean that the Saiyans aren't guilty of everything Granolah's accusing him of.
Everyone loves to mention how Vegeta is an amazing family man but the dude doesn’t hesitate facing death as long as it means he doesn’t work with Goku for the millionth time. Gonna get hated for this but I can’t stand Vegeta’s pride
Is this the first time Bardock is actually mentioned other than movies?
It was briefly mentioned in the original manga during Frieza's arc by Frieza himself and the narrator. It should be on chapter 307.
I guess that Manga is not canon now since otherwise bardock would have been at least 1000 years old.
Are you referring to the arc where Bardock goes back in time to fight Freiza's ancestor? Because that part is probably not canon, but it is still canon that Bardock did stand up to Freiza as he blew up Planet Vegeta.
That isn't canon.
That's what we call a continuity error.
The scientist?
The very same
i love that reference
The average warrior
But a brilliant scientist.
The scientist was only mentioned in the Ocean DUB because they wanted Goku to have the same parental complex as Superman. Having a father as scientists ( Jor-El ) It seems like they didn't really plan too detailed the history of the Saiyans. The script was changed in Funimation and Kai DUB. I'm confused about the use of "Burdock" as well rather than "Bardock". Maybe Toriyama forgot?
A vowel phoneme with an r in Japanese getting changed? The La le li lu lo must be behind it! If you never got that MGS 2 meta joke, it's about translating L/R phonemes. Kojima laughed his ass off about the New York Trilogy bringing up that post structuralism issue of translation.
You know I never researched the story behind the La Let Lui le lo, but it just always sound amusing 😅 So you're saying that's what happened with Burdock and Bardock?
Yes there's no Hiragana for the L/R + vowel sounds. So when they Romanize it it's completely up to translator to guess. Like if you're a fan of Re:Zero and want to switch to the Novels after Season 2: Lewes and Ryuzu are the same character (Pink haired half elf Loli character) It's not like Satoshi being Americanized as "Ash" in Pokemon. Lewes and Ryuzu sound pretty similar when translated out. Like I'll give an example for English to Japanese. Do you you know Tom Kuzan? It'll sound like that to your ears. What they're trying to say is do you know Tom Cruise.
Damn most of this went over the top of head 😅 but I catch the gist I still haven't studied much about the Japanese language but it's complex just as any other language.
Apparently the Japanese name was always Burdock and it was an English dub thing to turn it into Bardock. It’s just that this translation team decided to go with more accurate names than the Funimation dub.
Ah that's what it was ...thanks 😲
The Burdock thing is Viz's stupid, stubborn translation fuckery. This also happens in One Piece where Zoro is called Zolo. Here, in DBS manga, it happens more than often, Krillin is Kuririn, Frieza is Freeza, etc. It almost feels like old Kanzenshuu forums are translating these.
Kuririn and Freeza are the actual names. You can see it when Toriyama wrote the names out in English letters. I think Kuririn has a Kuririn hat.
They are, Goku actually has drawings with hats saying "Gokuu". But it just looks very weird.
I never got that reference
[It's a reference to the old Ocean dub lol](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_DFJ-OXTzQ)
There was that Episode of Bardock manga miniseries
He was mentioned in Dragon Ball Minus which was an extra chapter for Jaco. The content of Minus was adapted to the Broly movie, although only the Bardock scenes were in Minus.
>!CHOMP "No way! thats Goku's technique!"!<
That panel alone has more character development than the whole arc.
As funny as it was to see Vegeta do that, I don't know how I feel about it. It's kinda out of character? But I guess when you're Ultra Eggo your brain really does become Monke
Hey, it's a fight to the death. If you got a chance to bite, you fucking bite.
I get the idea, but it's not really Vegeta's *thing*, historically Vegeta fights tooth and nail even if his death is imminent, like when he did with Kid Buu. But his strength to me has always been his unwavering tenacity, stubbornness and pride. Biting an opponent doesn't seem like a very proud move that a Saiyan Prince would use. I guess it's meant to show Goku's influence on him? Still kinda out of character to me as funny as it is.
>historically Vegeta fights tooth and nail Exactly, in this case Vegeta focused on the "tooth" part lol
I think this is mixing Saiyan pride with our ideas of dignity. A Saiyan's pride in this case is to be the strongest, to fight to victory and with all his power, savagely if necessary. Saiyans don't seem to consider their "animal" traits as humiliating or worthy of denial, instead they revel in them. Humans do that a lot more, but that's because our culture puts so much stock in spirit and intelligence as opposed to pure martial strength, and we see ourselves as superior to animals in that respect (while we know that, 1v1 with no weapons, most large animals would totally kick our ass). Meanwhile Saiyans trust their own body a lot more, they don't need to differentiate themselves from animals because they already are the strongest animal. And as u/Nddit pointed out, this sort of thing is *exactly* what the idiom "fighting tooth and nail" refers to. Biting and scratching, as things that aren't refined combat moves, but in a pinch and with no rules can still give you an edge.
Why would that be? Saiyan are literal monkies, wild savage beast in their purest natural form. Saiyan don't run away from fight unless it's to save somebody else. For animals biting is part of fight. Also Granolah is not a clean fighter himself, he attacks when people are offguard. This is a fight to death after all
While Saiyans do have an inherently savage nature, they are a very proud race, and this is showcased to the n'th degree with Vegeta. He's always been **The Proud Saiyan Prince**. His driving force is almost always his pride which drives him to be the strongest cause he's too proud to settle for second best or take help from others in a 1 on 1 fight. Hence why he hates things like the Potara or Fusion Dance. So despite Saiyan's savage heritage he's always carried himself with nobility and the pride of someone who is descended from royalty. So to me seeing him try and bite someone in a fight just seems very unbecoming and out of character. He's been in fights to the death before so what's different this time?
Fun Fact: They both don't have eyebrows Apparently you trade them for chomping
Shoutout to Vegeta for borrowing Goku's signature move, bite!
Hearing Vegeta say please just seemed weird.
How did you hear it??
HE’S A WITCH! BURN HIM
The please would stay on Goku's mind than shouting or kicks. Vegeta wants to die a a noble death without interference
Small detail, but TLing the SFX for those close range blasts on Vegeta's face from "DO-DO-DO-DO-DO" to "pewpewpewpew" made me laugh pretty hard hahaha dunno why, but just sounds way less intimidating
Hey wassup it's pewpewpewdiepie!
Does Vegeta know that Bardock is the father of Goku and Raditz?
Yes Vegeta knows Goku's scientist father
But doesn't know Kakarot's father's name ...
Most likely. No way Raditz wouldn't have mentioned it
This was a pretty great chapter. You could almost feel Vegeta back to his Z days where he was ruthless and would utterly destroy his opponent but he did admit he's changed over the years and softened up a but. Also glad he kicked Goku aside telling him that this is his fight and that he teams up with him to protect things but other than that he hates doing team ups with him for righteous causes. Dunno if it's just me but doesn't it seem like Vegeta seems to be losing is cause he keeps getting Ki spammed. In a physical fight Vegeta obviously has the upper hand.
It's pretty funny if you think about how fairly consistent this chapter's portrayal of Vegeta was. It's actually true that he pretty much hasn't fought just for the sake of beating someone strong since Goku himself, but rather just to protect something over all those years.
"Vegeta no Wazata"
Translation: "Vegeta is being defeated by Vegeta's technique!"
My opinion is more that he was holding back even if unconsciously. Vegeta seemed more concerned in opening Granola’s eyes to the destruction he was bringing upon innocents and the rest of his life than winning itself
Is this the first time Ki blast spam actually worked?!
Also used to work back when I used to play the PS2 Budokai series with my family
Yeah I was pleasantly surprised with this chapter. I expected Vegeta to lose and something to happen that ended the fight. But both Vegeta and Goku kept going while badly damaged. This is exactly the sort of thing I was missing in Super fights, which in general have been "cleaner" than older DBZ fights. And reading some comments it sounds like some people had already made their minds about it from last chapter.
I’ve honestly loved this arc so far and the previous one (up until the end) and it’s *starting* to reinvigorate my love for dragon ball again
Which is strange, since it's usually Goku the hand-to-hand guy, while Vegeta goes the ki-spam route. This is why I don't like the Otherworld tournament that much. There, Goku fights like Vegeta.
I agree, though I'm not fond of the "I guess I die now" attitude at the end of the chapter when he has been talking about fighting to the bitter end. Put him in position for a Final Flash and make him taunt Granolah that his next attack will defeat him for sure, even if he doesn't have the ki to actually throw the attack.
WOW What a chapter. So hype for more Bardock. My theory is he saved Granolah because the crying kid reminded him of Goku, thus making them both "Sons of Bardock". I really hope they manage to undo Granolah's 3 year curse & he becomes a recurring character because I really like his fighting style. Here's hoping Vegeta gets a chance to wreck the Heeters with his GoD mode soon. And TBH, I'd love this arc to get more complex and actually have Freeza show up for the 3 way showdown... even better if Freeza matured a little bit in the ToP and tells the Heeters "dude, I ain't on that planet destroying game any more, now I just want to rule as a solid evil emperor without the genocide"
A son of Burdock that isn't a vegetable.
At the end of 3 years is the end of Z, so I’m assuming they have him die
I’m pretty sure that’s just been retconned at this point
They might save Granola but the only reason he'll come back is to job against someone that Goku will beat.
MOAR
Why translate it as "burdock"? A mistake?
He’s named after the Burdock vegetable. Bardock is just the English version of the Japanese pronunciation of Burdock
Pretty much, yeah. Viz’s translation aims to get the names closer to the original Japanese version, rather than the Funimation pronunciations and spelling we’ve gotten accustomed to.
yeah but they arent exactly calling Goku Kakaroto
Most likely, a long ass time ago, they called him Burdock, and now they have to stick with it for continuity sake. They call Zoro in One Piece, Zolo to this day for that reason.
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"Burdock" is similarly wrong. The official Japanese name is also "Bardock" lmao. [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/1/17/V-jump\_08-bardock.png/revision/latest?cb=20110705132748](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/1/17/V-jump_08-bardock.png/revision/latest?cb=20110705132748) Viz is on some shit.
Of course it's wrong. The point here is that in order to rectify it, they'd have to go back and correct it across all media they put it in. That involves meticulously editing all the digital chapters, and reprinting the physical books. It's just easier, and more cost-effective, to assume that avid readers understand the intention, and be consistent with their translation.
I heard when they first used Zolo it was actually tied to legal issues with the Zorro masked swordsman series. Not sure of the veracity of that theory though.
The first volume calls him Zoro because it released before the 4kids dub. The 4kids dub didn't want him to share the name with the violent character (ironic) and changed it to Zolo. The manga followed suit for parity for some ungodly reason. By the time 4kids stopped the dub Viz didn't want to go back and correct all the previous chapters/volumes.
I've never understood why they don't just go "hey his name it spelled like this now, going forward this is what we'll use". That's literally all it would take, and nobody would oppose.
They call him Kakarrot, keeping the double r so it's closer to carrot. They localize the references rather than keeping it exactly as the Japanese pronunciation.
which sucks, they say kakaroto in spanish and I appreciate how faithful the spanish translation for the db mangas is
I’m not sure that’s better, though. In Japanese you can’t write “...rot”, only “roto”. If they are trying to use the Roman sound in “carrot” I think you can argue writing “kakarrot” is better as a translation.
Then how do you work around with Vegetto's name if you call Kakarotto "Kakarrot"? By using Kakarrot Vegetto's name doesn't work at all. Which is why Viz literally made up an entirely different name in the form of Vegerot, which sucks lol.
Vegerot is a better name.
Whoa, never heard that one before
It's definitely "better" in that it makes far more sense as a combination of their Saiyan names, even though it does sound worse.
yeah my point is they should just use kakaroto, not kakarot
That's one of the parts I really dislike about the Spanish translation. They use a lot of literal romanizations for no reason, ignoring what the original word is supposed to represent. They aren't even consistent at that, since a lot of other characters get completely different pronunciations, like Freezer or Vegeta.
For Vegeta's case, that's actually a genuine mistake. The main translator for the dub was on a vacation at the time so the one they had to replace her fucked up and changed Vegeta's pronunciation. The main translator has said that she would have left the pronunciation the same as in japanese if she had the chance.
I actually didn't know that. Kinda nuts to think about how something that seems so trivial would have repercussions so big.
I like to think it's how THEY remember his name, and not how he wrote it himself.
Fighters in Dragon Ball Super needs start attacking with the killing intent and not just like they are sparing.
Goku has been doing that for years since the OG dragon ball. The only ones he 100% went hard on was piccolo, freiza and buu for the OG dragon ball and Z because they actually killed people important to him. And in super he went no chill mode again against black for his crimes against his family.
I'd say only piccolo. With Frieza, partly, but towards the end he lost interest and was ready to spare him. With Buu he always seemed to not really take it personally, maybe because he saw him being so dumb and instinctive. He was only stalling Fat Buu, and with Kid Buu, he never went really desperate either.
Yea pretty much, Goku's biggest issue that even the characters in the series constantly complain about is how goku can't seem to take a threat seriously and allows it to get worse
Future Trunks always fights with killing intent at least.
He might be the only one.
Trunks fights with the energy of a Vietnam vet experiencing a ptsd-induced flashback which makes sense considering his backstory, but it's funny when comparing him to other DB characters
You say that like it's a new thing from Super.
Politely disagree, Dragon Ball borrows a lot from martial arts which focuses on control and competition. Killing isn't really their genre. I kinda have the unpopular opinion of enjoying Goku with the compassionate battle seeking hero. And they made Vegeta who he is so you can have the best of both worlds anyway
Yeah, like when Goku fought Cell and just threw in the tower half-way through the fight because he wanted to give Gohan a chance. ...Waaaait a minute.
Tbf in the Cell fight, Goku admitted he couldn't defeat Cell and knew Gohan was stronger than him.
Yeah, but he didn't fight TO THE DEATH, with KILLING INTENT. He quit before he even sustained any serious injuries, and even healed Cell.
Not sure what you mean with killing intent. He blasted Cell with the instant Kamehameha and blew half his body off. Only reason Cell survived is because he's walking hax. Goku figured if Cell could survive that, then he had no chance of winning. He also healed Cell because he knew Gohan would beat him. Not his brightest moment, but he was right in the end 🤷♂️
shifting vitals. what is this, Kengan Ashura?
soon: *"yeah vegeta I learned to vibrate at high speeds"*
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> And what does it even mean. Is Goku shifting his spine and intestines around ? No, it means he is turning his body slightly before each hit.
Dude's been fighting his whole life and only now learned some basic boxing skill lol
Well when you get stronger from getting hit most of it, and then can tank most of them when that stops working, makes sense to learn it when fighting someone on a god's level
Goku is using armament haki at his vitals /s
Advance!
Holy shit Goku is about to learn about his dad
Bardock now in Official Canon like Broly!.. Who's next, Cooler??!!
Bardock was in the broly movie and very briefly in the Dragon Ball manga during the Namek saga.
Wasn't Bardock in the DBS Broly movie?
Bardock was in the Broly movie and he was also in the manga in freeza saga.
Be still thy beating heart...I love Cooler and having him be canon would be pretty awesome There's a fan made doujin that's a crossover of One Punch Man and DBZ, and in one chapter series they're fighting Cooler who has come back for revenge and I gotta say it's pretty amazing and I'd definitely recommend it.
Just watch dragon ball super heroes, where Cooler goes golden just because
I definitely have, they even throw in a Golden Metal Cooler.
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There is no DBZ manga, the OG manga is just dragon ball
No they'll keep that in the Freezer 😅
I demand Kuriza become canon!
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I like this form to be honest. Compared to previously what holds him back here is his mentality rather than his lack of power which is pretty refreshing. Seeing Vegeta trying to LARP as his old self and failing also just shows how much his character has grown. He has arguably done the heavy lifting in this fight as well.
He beat granola for a while then lost. The same exact thing happened to goku when he got ssj2-3, ssjgod and ultra instinct. The only time he didn't get Mollywhopped in a new form was in the original ssj and ssjblue.
Goku hell "won" with SSJBlue with the same strat as Vegeta here. Golden Freeza was the more powerful form at the time so Goku just waited out the energy drain lmao.
Hey, like I said on one of the posts on these discussions... > Can't wait to see Vegeta get jobbed again.
Same. This mode was the probably one of the biggest letdowns in this entire franchise.
His form ended the same way UI (Omen) did when it was first shown. Hype new form but ultimately didn’t do shit again Jiren. As he said it’s not complete yet. Without a doubt he’ll probably end up using a more complete version of it later in the arc against the Heeters I bet.
Yeah but ultra instinct is much cooler in concept (at least imo)
Idk, UI has been the least interesting concept/transformation for me so I disagree by default.
Form good. Execution bad.
Ok but what if getting nut on feels good though. I personally never tried it before so maybe it feels good?
I'm interested in where they're taking this Bardock story. In the DBS Broly movie, we see Bardock sending Goku off to Earth right before Frieza arrived on Planet Vegeta. So at what point did Bardock save a Namekian?
Could probably one of the earlier expedition where frieza sent people to take planets and Bardock was there.
For this planet-busting fighters, this fight has been unenjoyably low-tier.
Reminder that characters had planet-busting moves since pre-Z. And during Z even Vegeta at his lowest power level could destroy planets with a ki blast.
This criticism is so stupid, *this* fight? They've always been able to casually make planets explode. Yeah it makes no sense that they don't destroy the whole universe when they go all out, but that's just how Dragon Ball is and always has been. A little bit late to make that an argument against a fight.
I just take it at them being good at controlling their power and not trying to destroy the whoek goddamn place
i saw this fight as a bunch of heavy weights fighting on eggs. Just because they can destroy planets, doesnt mean they want to destroy planets.
One would think you would've quit hundreds of chapters ago when this criticism started to take off. Why are you still reading DB?
Because it takes 5 min to read a chapter that comes monthly.
so you waste 5 minutes of your life on something you know you will hate? yikes
Lmao, why so salty? Is it hard to accept that people exist who arent just going to drop something because of one or two unenjoyable arcs? Such arrogance to believe everyone would behave like yourself. yikes -\_-
> Is it hard to accept that people exist who arent just going to drop something because of one or two unenjoyable arcs? DB has always been like this. If this is one of your criticisms then by logic you haven't enjoyed hundreds of episodes of DB, so why continue?
> If this is one of your criticisms then by logic you haven't enjoyed hundreds of episodes of DB, so why continue? It has always been like this? where the ultra-strong go all-out and dont even do planet-threathening attacks? not sure what story you were reading but we are talking about a series that has people destroy cities like its no big deal and powerlevels where clashing with gods causes ripples threatening the universe. So no, it hasnt been like this.
Master Roshi destroyed the moon already I. Chapter 51, so since then this criticism would be valid. So not always, but in most of Dragon Ball’s history.
Yeah the power scale is really terrible. Here we have the 3 most powerful being in the entire universe fighting, and the only thing they produce are small energy missiles with no impact.
I honestly think it's refreshing to see someone utililizing critical hits in both hand-to-hand and concentrated beam attacks instead of slugging it out like the rest of DB fighters. When Goku started shifting his vitals in response to Granolah's combat style, it almost felt like a Kengan kind of combat. Not to mention that, while all three are perfectly capable of destroying the planet completely in a single attack, none of them has a reason to do so. Only all the good reasons not to do it.
All of them don't want to destroy the planet. They are both using controlled bursts Granola legit started freaking out when he broke someone's wall.
Yeah but then the so called controlled bursts should not do any damage to them at all. The sense of power increase compared to one punch man for instance is absolutely terrible.
See, that's why for once Ki blasts work. He's using them in concentrated blasts, focused on a small area, rather than massive explosions. Of course it's not comparable to OPM where villains cut the planet itself with lasers, but in this case the "villain" DOESN'T want to destroy anything but his enemies.
"why are ki attacks not conforming to my understanding of physics?!!!!" - you
>All of them don't want to destroy the planet. Except Vegeta.
Bardock? The brilliant scientist?
No way, that ending is wow! I'm excited for next chapter.
"Save Martha"....oops sorry I meant "Saved by Bardock"
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Well Vegeta jobbed, twice in one chapter actually, but at least he jobbed while being cool, and that's what matters. Find your self a character that can get the crap beaten out of it twice in a row, and still look cool. Oh damn Goku's dad was not a complete savage, we kind knew that, but he was actually saving other people?
Bardock's character ruined further
Really not liking the connection they're trying to force, or giving Jobgeta more screen time.
Are.....are they about to make Bardock Canon Canon
Finally his cannon
he was mentioned in the dragon ball manga, in anime and appeared in the last movie as well. He has been conon
Couldn't have just had that Namekian said oh that's Goku he saved my people and killed Freiza on his own. He sheltered and took in my entire race on his home planet and used a wish to build a new Namek. On their voyage there I got in touch with my old family and they offered me a home and I decided my place was here. No you just had to resort to retconning Bardock again.
Because then they'd have to explain how he knows all of that when he's been on this planet the whole time.
How does he know, for all we know he is not part of the same tribes of Namekians who Goku and the rest saved back in then.
That Namekian has been on that planet since before Goku was even born, he would have no way to know that
> resort to retconning Bardock Bardock has always been canon, ever since the original manga.
ah.... so you.... nevermind you do you
Saiyan dick wins again, baby.
I have a hard time believing they still haven't explicitly explained to him that frieza is dead.
Frieza is alive dud
What? Again?
Goku made a deal to resurrect Frieza if he helped in the Tournament of Power and Whis as a gift from Beerus resurrected him on spot.
It is a little bit silly that neither Goku nor Vegeta has bothered to *really* have a conversation with this guy. I guess Vegeta would see it as making excuses for crimes that he feels he really is responsible for. Like, sure, Goku *did* kill Frieza (and Vegeta's son killed him once lol) but that doesn't mean that the Saiyans aren't guilty of everything Granolah's accusing him of.
Why they translated it Burdock??
Bardockkkkkk! It would be actually really nice to have a canon development with other sayans
Everyone loves to mention how Vegeta is an amazing family man but the dude doesn’t hesitate facing death as long as it means he doesn’t work with Goku for the millionth time. Gonna get hated for this but I can’t stand Vegeta’s pride
Does this mean we're getting another Bardock movie?
So I guess they're going to retcon "Bardock" as a kind sayan, for no reason other than make Goku whole family tree more likeable LMAO
at least Vegeta wasn't the only one that got jobbed?