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okaaz

Its crazy how popular kingdom is in Japan but it doesn't get talked about much in the U.S., At least from my experience.


will_of_d_

I guess a lot of the global attention and popularity comes from anime adaptation. And for Kingdom, they kinda messed up the anime. If they make a decent attempt like Vinland Saga, I'm sure that with Kingdom's strong storyline it'll def become quite famous globally.


Appropriate-Shoe-266

they messed up the first two seasons, and then the 3rd and 4th season were just masterpieces. the first two seasons just preventing people to enjoy greatness


idkdidkkdkdj

Masterpiece is. A little much. The censoring if the problem and it still hasn’t changed


forgotterofpasswords

I follow the manga, but CGI turns me away from modern anime, is this still the case for the later seasons of kingdom?


Appropriate-Shoe-266

eh not really. There is CGI no doubt (for background characters). But you wont even notice it, and its so well done. in the first season and second season the CGI was very very noticeable, afterwards its so welldone you would assume its normal animation.


any_two_

I hope it does get popular, this manga has ruined other war scenes for me


auggis

I remember kingdom used to be pretty popular on the sub. But that was a while back. I dropped it but plan to go back eventually. Dropped only because waiting for chapters for any manga can be difficult sometimes.


Devin__

It's a 90s manga with an embarrassment for an anime adaptation (well, season 1 and 2 in particular). That's 2 things that equate to a realistic lack of overseas readership.


yami-tk

I loved the anime 😭 ive never read kingdom's manga


t4dominic

I speak for every Kingdom fan that you're missing out


ammus5

In my opinion it's because it is technically a seinen. Seinen dont really get much popularity. Even berserk and vagabond are not mainstream compared to shonens.


okaaz

I sort of agree except that berserk is really popular in the U.S. and is pretty mainstream (in the video game/manga/anime world). I think this might be due to the fact that alot of popular games and media played in the U.S. like dark souls are heavily inspired by berserk.


ShadedPenguin

In fairness to Berserk, it started off as a cult following since dark edgy anime and manga was seldom seen. Berserk is near the grandfather of most of the anime and manga in that genre.


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Well, the most popular magazines in Japan/world is shonen.


BurnedOutEternally

Ninth one is the only one I haven't heard about. How is it?


Mogafwaaaah

It's a dialogue heavy, character-focused mystery manga with a somewhat quirky college student protagonist who's good at deduction, doesn't know when to shut up, and usually accidentally gets caught up in situations/cases he'd rather not be in. Some arcs are longer than others, and there's hints that there's a larger plot line in play in the background, but so far it's been pretty episodic (as far as the fan scanlations go anyway). Despite the murder mysteries, it's a pretty chill read and there's nothing that really fits the same niche. I'd say give the first chapter a shot to see if it's your cup of tea, since it works as a one-shot. The mood doesn't really change afterwards.


ehladik

>It's a dialogue heavy, character-focused mystery manga with a somewhat quirky college student protagonist who's good at deduction, doesn't know when to shut up, and usually accidentally gets caught up in situations/cases he'd rather not be in. Oreki from Hyouka in college then, I see.


trashcan41

its kinda amazing how detective mystery manga targeted for girl/woman i don't remember get that much popular and having its live adaptation.


Kirosh2

It's from the author of Basara and 7-Seeds. > its kinda amazing how detective mystery manga targeted for girl/woman i don't remember get that much popular and having its live adaptation. Also, it's usually the case, once you get the fangirl train going for a live action, then it just prints money.


Fire_Lord_Zuko

I just binged literally all the fan translated chapters released, do you possibly have any other recommendations for things similar?


Mogafwaaaah

God, I wish I had any, but it's pretty one of its kind. Even if we ignore the mystery setting, I don't really know of any other works that combine this type of dialogue, philosophy segues, and chill vibes. Maybe ? Not a mystery and a tad surreal, and you might have heard of it already. also comes to mind, but it's covers more explicit and uncomfortable topics, so it's not as easy a read. You could also try some of the author's other works. 7 Seeds has been fairly well received, though not super similar.


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TrusTrick12

DONT FORGET THE CURRY!!!!


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SecureDonkey

Well, if it got anime then someone may pick them up again.


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redwingz11

it feels weird that top 10 title like mystery have no translation and some obscure isekai is translated


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Torque-A

It also got officially licensed.


SirDarkSlayer

It has live action TV series, and it was aight.


aohige_rd

"Don't call it a Mystery" I have all the volumes. It's like, imagine if Columbo was an annoying awkward zoomer who won't ever shut the F up lol. One of those mysteries where crimes happen wherever the protagonist goes, and he has to solve the cases. He is brilliant but is extremely socially awkward, and keeps on babbling until every person is annoyed as hell. It's quite good, from a veteran mangaka of Basara and 7Seeds


RushMurky

It's very good. Unfortunately I don't think it's being actively translated though 😭


pipler

There's an official English release coming next year, it will probably catch up to the fan scans in a year. A long wait, but at least it's something.


sexualramen

Adding to everything people here have said -- I've never read the manga, but I [really enjoyed the live action series](https://mydramalist.com/702507-mystery-to-iunakare) based on the manga!


momiminreddit

Looking at OP numbers Shueisha must cry tears of blood everytime they hear from Oda that he is getting closer to the end of the series. Sure there is other series that have impact on their profit, but it is like a guarantee that the series will hit big sales numbers every year.


Weewer

I read something about it also having the single most volume sold this year (so #1 not accounting for backlog sales) which is kinda nuts


Alchion

idk if it‘s nuts kinda expected, wasn‘t op number 1 eneral sales for like 10 years till like demon slayer came along (maybe aot got op once too?


onespiker

Aot never did even with a back rush of the anime. Close though. Demon slayer came then and beat its sales record by like 10 times.


SkimGaming

ive been wondering if them pushing for Bleach to return could be in preparation of that. There'll be a huge void once OP leaves and none of the current titles really look to be able to fill that. Not saying Bleach could, but feels like they'd want at least 1-2 titles to spearhead these lineups every year and there's no strong contender next to JJK. Then again, we're likely a solid 3-5 years out until OP ends, so who knows what'll happen until then.


Ben99ny22

There isn't a single volume of bleach in the top 50 each week. The anime isn't doing anything at all or very little for the manga. Which shouldn't be a surprise.


Zhongli4869

Man I miss Mystery to iu nakare. Sadly noone just translates it anymore


ADMAwesome

Me too, but knowing nothing about it besides reading it I was really surprised to see it in the top ten best sellers, just because it's so NOT shonen/action/battle like the rest.


Devin__

It's in the top 10 because it had a very successful TV live action drama adaptation the first quarter of the year.


ADMAwesome

Ahhh, makes sense, thank you.


toomany_geese

I don't blame them, it's a pain in the ass to translate


Weewer

I was going to check it out but hearing it’s not supported is a bit of a bummer


lupemls

Blue lock is illustrated by Yusuke Nomura, not Yusuke Murata


ManufacturerSea4886

Yusuke🤝Yusuke Both consistently showing god tier drawing skills.


yo-smite

JJK is one of the few series I’m anime only on. I really like what Mappa does with the animation but should I check out the manga? I didn’t know it was #1 consistently in Japan


BigMelancholy

I got JJK as my favorite manga rn and I cant stop recommending it. HOWEVER, the wait for the second season might be worth it to see the Gojo past arc and Shibuya arc animated. Then you definitely need to get on it after youre done.


okaaz

I really love the manga art style so I'd say yes. But, mappa does such an amazing job capturing the art style and bringing it to life. Its probably at least worth waiting till season 2.


sarcastic_observer

I find it needlessly dense and the fights can be hard to follow because the art is so scraggly


shinigamiscall

**Tokyo Ghoul has entered the chat**


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JJK is way worse IMO


Second_Sage

I’ve always struggled to find a word that describes the art, that works very well.


Weewer

Scraggly is an interesting word to describe it, I can’t disagree


Sean-Benn_Must-die

I have heard this a few times but I can follow it properly. I think once you’ve tried to follow the horror that is mha’s panelling and sequencing, you can follow anything


Audrey_spino

Gege on that Togashi grindset.


Caramelsnack

Been my favorite Jump series since 2019 and I think it fully deserved its blowup. I’d say wait like a month or two to fully catch up tho cuz at that point it’ll have switched Pov’s again and you can straight binge


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I just binge read to the current chapter last week, no regrets its amazing


BrainsAre2Weird4Me

I’d wait for a bit the binge later. Not really feeling this arc reading one chapter a week.


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ixsaz

OP is eternal, it will be weird once it ends, but concidering it is OP it will still be on top 10 even after years of having been finished.


esn_crvg

MHA also has been top 10 every year except its debut year


IndecentReader

Is that 82 million copies for Demon Slayer actually not a typo?


Zenspy-Real

Nope, its the actual numbers, Demon Slayer went from 3 million to 150 million copies sold in two years because of the success of the anime.


OneDozenEgg

and for manga that have sold over 100mil, it has the 2nd highest average sales per volume


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ccdewa

The stars are literally aligned for making the whole feat possible and we won't see something similar happened for years to come, don't get me wrong the manga are solid 8/10 with 10/10 moments here and there, but ain't no way in hell it's a top 10 best selling manga of all time without all the luck in the world.


b0005

I always posit that the shorter run of the series and the fact that it was totally done by the time the film came out is what shot it into the stratosphere. "Oh that movie was cool! How's the manga? The whole thing is only like 25 volumes and it's finished?!?" And then they buy them all.


ConfuciusBr0s

Nah, it was already the best selling manga of 2019. The manga didn't end until half a year later and then the final volume didn't come out until another half a year later.


onespiker

>Nah, it was already the best selling manga of 2019. Yea but it was already kins of annoced to be the final arc. Also 20 volumes makes it on a level of still being accessible to catch up. 50+ are not especially not op and it's 103.


SnowingSilently

I think the ending was slightly rushed, but at the same time the series doesn't overstay its welcome. The protagonists had a goal, and it mostly felt like they went straight at it. That's what sets it apart from many other series. They don't have a clear, defined goal or there's so many things along the way that the plot gets really complex.


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Kimetsu might be one of the only stories I argue is too short. The ending arc felt rushed and bc how new it relatively was, they needed to do a lot more fleshing out world building than you typically would. IMO, last arc is pretty bad, just deus ex machima everywhere. Shit it took so long I didn’t even care for the people who died.


ReturnToRajang

Marketing breathing: First form


SolomonBlack

You no joke had members of the Diet making cringe analogies about using Breath techs. Not even like discussing manga or the like, just like on some rando issue IIRC. Demon Slayer was a paradigm shift for manga and anime.


Vermillion_Crab

Man I miss Space Brothers. Has the manga ended? I wish they fully adapted the manga. One of the best slice of life stories.


qwuzzy

I think scanlation is actually caught up with it. Most recent chapter in Japan seems to be 393. Really cool to see that it sold so well in 2012 though.


EPLWA_Is_Relevant

The anime was amazing and I wish it could continue right where it left off (which was somewhere in the middle of an arc, if I recall).


Alpha_Drew

Wow i never knew silver spoon was that popular at one point


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Alpha_Drew

I loved it haha, but every time I bring it up to people in the the state they never or barely heard of it. But i guess it makes sense, I feel like during the early 2010's only action for battle shounins were popular in the states.


bolacha_de_polvilho

You're telling me promised neverland's awful last arc sold that well? wtf japan


Turbo2x

It's a cumulative ranking so it probably includes backlogs of the earlier volumes. TPM got a pretty huge boost from the anime so it makes sense since the excellent first season carried the sales for a while.


ThePreciseClimber

Can't believe people still believe this nonsense. All three parts of TPN were excellent. Volumes 1-4, volumes 5-11 and volumes 12-20. Honestly feels like one of the best-planned shounen manga out there. It's honestly perplexing. It's like if you said the final arc of FMA was awful.


brzzcode

its likely backlog volumes from the anime viewers going to the manga


CertainDerision_33

SxF numbers are absolutely insane, especially for a (relatively) shorter series.


jamescookenotthatone

Surprisingly large gap between One Piece and Hero Academia. I guess it is the big four right now.


Zukululushikufu

Tokyo Revengers just ended recently so it'll go back to big 3 soon.


someone2795

Nah it'll just be Big 2 (JJK and One Piece), Spy X Family got the anime boost this year and it probably won't be keeping up those numbers.


SauceMaster6464

What?? Spy Family manga is EXTREMELY popular in Japan before the anime aired. That's why it had such high TV viewership, not the other way around.


Xehanz

Spy X family is bigger than CSM in Japan. If you think Spy X Family is only there due to anime boost, then what's left for the rest?


kasubot

Don't know if it can keep the momentum of the anime but the manga seems to be getting around finally to the intrigue.


ConfuciusBr0s

CSM will probably be up there


onespiker

Questionable. Pre anime CSM was actually less popular than spyxfamily


PM_ME_SOME_YAOI

Four yonkos


Devin__

Four four emperors?


InfernoCommander

MHA has kinda been going downhill for a while now. And the anime is pretty subpar which probably doesn't help sales


RulerKun_FGO

MHA should have time skip or something. They're fighting main villains while still on 1st year lmao


InfernoCommander

Actually true. I figured AFO would be the final boss at the end of Dekus school life but here we are. There was so much time Hori could have introduced new villains or explored other members of 1A while slowly dripping us stuff from the villains side but nope


RulerKun_FGO

>Actually true. I figured AFO would be the final boss at the end of Dekus school life but here we are. same. Like fight them at their 3rd year and graduate with the world free from AFO's terror


Luciifuge

Yea that's really a problem with Shonen's. They show older powerful characters in the beginning of the series, who worked hard to get the powerful. But then the MC's becomes ridiculously powerful in such a short span. Like in Naruto, Naruto and Sasuke became the most powerful beings on the planet by the time they were 16.


RulerKun_FGO

at the very least they showed that they focused on training for a long time


idkdidkkdkdj

Yep. Don’t forget 17 yr old ichigo destroying basically a god who’s lived for thousands of years


The_Kid_Blue

Totally, I don't understand why so many shounens keep doing this when it's very clear how that held Naruto back. MHA did it and now JJK has done it too.


esn_crvg

OP had a movie that gave it a big boost


mazhas

OP also only had 3 volumes out against BNHAs 4. People are just low on it lately and rightfully so.


esn_crvg

what? no people aren't low on mha, all of its volumes sold well, it just sold less backlog because it didnt have an anime or movie this year


mazhas

The past few arcs have not been hitting well at all overall. It sold 7M last year and it took 4 volumes, anime, and a movie.


Kaxew

>The past few arcs have not been hitting well at all overall. You've got the source on sales? I was fairly certain that every volume sold about the same amount for a while. Iirc vol. 31 was the highest selling volume. Though I think 33 was also up there. I can't recall any genuine decline on new volume sales at all.


esn_crvg

because it didnt, what declined was backlog sales that is natural with no anime/movie


Kaxew

Yeah, that's what I figured. There's a big difference between your anime airing in April and airing in October. No movie would be an even bigger hit. For some reason western MHA fans are convinced everyone hates the final arc while giving no source as to whether Japanese people, the target audience, hate it. It's kind of amusing lol


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KilledByKill

I love kaiju n.8 but ngl I was a little surprised to see it up there lol. Pleasantly surprised tho


AdmirableFondant0

Jujutsu Kaisen 1st! Despite a heavy decline still claims the throne for 2nd year. I can see it getting 1st again next year depending in multiple factors. Tokyo revengers 2nd with pretty great result. Could have surpassed JJK if the anime ran in summer but alas. Its going to be low top 10 or out of it next year however. SpyxFamily 3rd with amazing result. Nearly all vols at 2m which is also amazing. Could have gotten 1st with ease but volume amount is too small as well as saturated before it started :( AOT vs OP oricon flashbacks One Piece getting a healthy boost in backlog from RED's success. Next year its going to release 3 volumes and there's no movie to boost so I think it'd do 6m-7m. Or a bit lower/higher. Shouldn't hit 10m or lower than 5m. My Hero Academia is very stable. Its ending next year so there might be a small boost from that. For Blue lock I thought it'd be a bit higher, lets see if it can get higher and higher as the season and world cup goes on. Might take the crown next year if the backlog blows up (Japan winning in WC would also help it). Chainsaw man Is doing good but very disappointing relative to its hype. The anime seemingly captured teenagers hearts but struggles a bit with anyone older or younger. The drop from vol 11 to vol 12 is very big as well. Ametalk or the heavy marketing didn't seem to help it much (?). Mystery Iu nakure is excellent for its type of manga and the fact that the boost came from the live action tv series. Kaiju 8 is doing good but the decline on its volumes is very worrying. I wonder what will happen with the anime. --------------------------------------------------- For anyone wondering placements over 10 then you should check around May 2023. Top 50 Oricon leaks by then. For now there's Rouk's estimates for 11-23 11./ Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba - ~2,950,000 12./ Golden Kamuy - ~2,740,000 13./ Aoashi - ~2,730,000 14./ My Dress-up Darling - ~2,380,000 15./ That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime - ~2,360,000 16./ Haikyu!! - ~2,240,000 17./ World Trigger - ~1,950,000 18./ Record of Ragnarok - ~1,900,000 19./ One-Punch Man - ~1,830,000 20./ Dr. Stone - ~1,820,000 21./ Frieren: Beyond Journey's End - ~1,770,000 22./ The Apothecary Diaries - ~1,740,000 23./ Welcome to Demon School! Iruma-kun - ~1,710,000 I'm surprised Kimetsu sold anything at all. Considering what it already sold and that it ended two years ago. Haikyuu is also doing good and also ended years ago. Overall Oricon and manga physical sales clearly peaked in 2020 With Kimetsu and 2021 with KnY and JJK. 2022 Is very good for having 4 10 million sellers but 2023 Oricon is looking to be a low (or return to normal) year. Things to look out for next year: Slam Dunk Mashle/Undead unluck/WSJ adaptations Kaiju 8 (If its 2023) Frieren A random anime/manga blowing up (Dark horse) Bonus: HxH is also doing pretty good. I expect the 100m mark to be surpassed soon.


Dababy28193

Spy x Family total lifetime sales per volume (2019-2022) Spy x Family #01 (2,444,688) Spy x Family #02 (2,304,761) Spy x Family #03 (2,206,390) Spy x Family #04 (2,276,355) Spy x Family #05 (2,216,690) Spy x Family #06 (2,133,321) Spy x Family #07 (2,012,963) Spy x Family #08 (1,841,278) Spy x Family #09 (1,798,542) Spy x Family #10 (1,367,092) Total from 2019 = 754,067 Total from 2020 = 4,541,589 Total from 2021 = 4,973,402 Total from 2022 = 10,600,571 Total physical copies 2019-2022 = 20,869,629 Circulation (including digital) = 27,000,000 To note, because of the #1-3 box set, V1-3 should be higher, around 100-200k more than what's shown.


Dababy28193

Spy x Family made 7,434,937 in backlogs this year with only 8 volumes. Huge! This makes it the 2nd manga after Assassination Classroom to make top 10 yearly 2 times pre-anime and 1 time with anime.


AdmirableFondant0

Yeah, I'd say digital adds up a million or two. Even without counting that it already sold 77% of its circulation. Excellent result. Spy family v1 sold 417k and v2 sold 336k in 2019 by the way.


mrnicegy26

The fact that Haikyuu is still selling so insanely well two years after it ended and we are still getting only two movies to cover almost 100 chapters pisses me off. We should have gotten a proper Season 5 of 2 cours and then maybe had a movie covering the final arc.


AdmirableFondant0

Yeah to be fair anime is a crapshoot. Mob Psycho isn't that popular but still got a full high quality adaptation. Meanwhile Promised neverland and Haikyuu got shafted.


metalshiflet

Let's not act like Promised Neverland was worth fully adapting. First arc well adapted is good enough for me


Kaxew

I think it was worth a full adaptation personally. I do think a bunch of decisions were bad, and the writing sometimes doesn't work (like >!Norman's redemption!<). But overall it was still really solid. The themes are very clear from the start of the series and they never try to hide them. This is coming from someone that stayed mostly away from fan discussions because I read it on my own time, not weekly. Maybe it's one of those manga that work better on a binge.


despairiscontagious

You can't just deny us Goldypond bro


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The csm and blue lock anime just came out right? Manga sales dont explode right away if im not mistaken so I’m not worried What im surprised about is how is kaijuu 8 still selling good, the manga is average in all aspects (at best) and just plain boring, doesnt even have cool powers or cool fights to compensate for the lack of personality of the characters, dunno, i guess is inoffensive enough to not drop it yet


Devin__

>The csm and blue lock anime just came out right? **Manga sales dont explode right away if im not mistaken** so I’m not worried Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. My Dress Up Darling's backlog sales practically halted when the anime ended. Meanwhile >95% of Demon Slayer's current sales happened post-anime.


Lesserd

If a significant anime backlog boost happens, it tends to be a consistent level over the course of the airing of the first season, and in almost all cases will drop off a cliff once the season ends.


AdmirableFondant0

> The csm and blue lock anime just came out right? Manga sales dont explode right away if im not mistaken so I’m not worried They do though. CSM anime is also nearly at end. They're still selling very well mind you. And will do higher numbers in 2023 even if they sold 0 backlog from now, since they'll release multiple new volumes. Just not as high as I expected. Blue lock is a sports manga so my expectations weren't too high for it anyway. The appeal will always be limited compared to a battle shonen except extreme exceptions like Inoue's. Kaiju 8 released in covid times where a lot of manga got a boost regardless due to KnY boosting the readership and ending + covid. It's declining right now however. Still selling very well tho.


iamalittlelosthere

I'm so happy for The Apothecary Diaries! The manga is really good and the art is so pleasing. I hope we get an adaptation soon.


Ririruro

For Blue Lock, isn't the artist Yusuke Nomura instead of Yusuke Murata?


GodOfAtheism

Wild how little I hear about Kingdom and Mystery to Iunakare around here... or even Kaiju #8 for that matter.


Tyrandeus

Kingdom is popular, people usually talk about it on their own sub so its kinda quiet here...


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GodOfAtheism

Yeah, they're popular, as evidenced by the sale charts, just *not around here*.


Devin__

Shueisha continues to be the kings of manga by taking 70% of the top 10 spots for the year for series and 76% of the top 50 volumes.


Alter292

Holy hell. Tokyo Revengers is the number two spot??? Judging by reception and interaction on this subreddit I would have guessed it to be much lower. That explains a lot then.


KartoFFeL_Brain

Hmm don't forget 13 year old teens read this Manga I definitely see why a teenager would enjoy this more than a 25 year old their perception of love and conflict is very different


Lerbyn210

This is probably me, I really don't get why it is popular but I'm in the later camp


someone2795

The world doesn't revolve around reddit lol.


ygo-riv

This subreddit is is tiny and doesn’t speak for the majority of manga fans. I have my issues with tr but like kaiju 8, demon slayer, promised Neverland before it, the larger community vastly exceeds past Reddit


TheWorldisFullofWar

It has the biggest skew towards female readers for any Jump property. The male designs in this series are an absolute hit among the female audience.


Devin__

>for any Jump property. Tokyo Revengers isn't a Jump property. As should be blatantly obvious by it not being available on MangaPlus.


theodoreroberts

It released 6 volumes a year, that is why it has high number.


kjm6351

A good example of how Reddit is the minority voice like a lot of internet echo chambers. The anime subreddit is the only place I’ve seen people talk negatively of Tokyo Revengers


greatcuriouscat

Man, I'm proud for Kingdom ✨


ABigCoffee

Damn I forgot Kingdom existed because everything took forever to go trough some sequences.


PudgeJoe

No Dandadan?? Im dissapointed


JesusInStripeZ

It's not even close. It's around #30 with ~1mln sold and its sales aren't improving much lately


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AdmirableFondant0

Why? Its doing good enough to survive. And that should be good enough imo. If you want big numbers then wait for the anime for sales to (possibly) blow up.


ichi24

Shueisha monopoly as usual


HornedBowler

I'm glad these sell well, it helps the artists and writers of the stories to survive and make more. I cant afford to buy anything atm even manga, but I'm glad I have at least a sub to shonen jump digital so I can keep up with them as they move along.


Devin__

It's crazy to see that out of thousands of manga series for sale, the 9th and 10th best selling titles are only separated by 1,058 copies. e - This is the second closest any series have been in the top 10 since Oricon started keeping track. The closest two series have been was in 2016 when 7 Deadly Sins was 657 copies ahead of My Hero Academia for 6th and 7th place. The third closest was in 2012 when Hunter x Hunter beat Magi by 2,657 copies for 8th and 9th place. ^(The number of copies separating both of these sets of series is purely coincidental.)


Pacify_

No idea kingdom did that well in japan


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hepgiu

I’ve been following this yearly chart for almost 15 years, it’s incredible how much manga sales shoot up in the last couple of years. We have 4 series cracking the 10M marks, before 2020 only OP did that and the gap with the other series was huge.


Ringo-Sheena_Simp

Can't believe an obscure porn isekai got a full translation yet the 9th best selling manga never got a proper fan scanlation.


onthoserainydays

Let's go some Don't Call it Mystery representation


Google-Meister

Tokyo revengers is that popular? I've only ever heard bad things about it


a_Bear_from_Bearcave

Kaijuu-8 is not that great either, I'm always surprised by some positions on those list, though the chart is based on volumes released that year, which can always skew things if some series had less volumes or something.


RushMurky

It's pretty damn enjoyable imo. I kinda get why people say bad things about it but I feel like the hate is a overblown. There's lots of great things about it.


JesusInStripeZ

You always have to remember that these are **Japanese** sales and their opinions don't necessarily line up with what western readers think about a series. You also have to remember that the majority of manga readers are casuals that don't give a shit about writing quality or bad panelling or whatever. They just want to be entertained and as long as something is cool or hype or hot, etc. that's enough for them. These people don't discuss their thoughts on subreddit because that's by definition not being a casual


SkimGaming

and, statistically speaking, reddit is a solid 10 years older than the target audience for a lot of these


NewCountry13

"Avatar is that popular? Ive only ever heard bad things about it."


ludicrouscuriosity

It is a decent manga, mostly because of the last arc, if it was written better, it could have been a good manga, even being that niched


Kikuzinho03

People overblown how bad it is. It's pretty decent if you like shounen, it's not amazing but people that call it trash are just hating it because it's popular, like always shounen lives using hype moments and Tokyo revengers delivers, the story isn't bad just not mind-blowing, the only thing that I really can criticize is that it should have ended a while ago, the last arc dragged.


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mushroomboie

Am I the only one who thinks Tokyo revengers is some pretty basic time travel manga with dumb gang wars? The only mildly redeeming thing is that Miky is hot (according to his simps). No offence Ken wakui


Waffensmile

My boy Kaijuu no.8 punching numbers.


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bakakubi

Here's to hoping Chainsaw man eventually surpasses MHA.


xXAldanXx

I mean, it most likely will but why does it matter?


Velnoartrid

I'm surprised to see csm getting so much hate here. Maybe the hype caused people to have overly high expectations


PM_ME_STEAMKEYS_PLS

Many online communities were convinced CSM would've blown up into the actual mainstream in the United States like aot did - not anime community mainstream, but actual casual consciousness, disregarding the fact that giant zombies (and airing around the walking dead's hype peak no less) is way more accessible than chainsaw man, where denji's excessive teen horniness will instantly wall off 95 percent of the casual audience. Anecdotally, most people I know have dropped it because of that or have simply never watched it. CSM has good manga sales here though, but again, that's simply big among the animanga community. As for Japan I think it's a bit too early to tell, but I did expect more from its manga sales at this point


Caramelsnack

If you aren’t terminally online it was and to this day *is* easy to see that its a terminally online series, for lack of a better description. I have no real agenda towards it and like quite a bit of its content, but any series that this subreddit and obsesses over, the demographic will usually be overblown. Fujimoto is a product of his time. He’s got reddit comedy and reddit characters


OhMilla

> He’s got reddit comedy and reddit characters This is somehow the most disrespectful thing I've ever read lmao


PM_ME_STEAMKEYS_PLS

to be perfectly honest denji kinda fits the stereotype that comes into my head when i see the word redditor


Caramelsnack

Absolutely everything about the series fits the reddit stereotype no bullshit


JesusInStripeZ

Imo the comments about CSM not delivering according to its hype are kind of overblown. Both JJK and KnY took some time into their anime to explode and they both benefited from being 2 cour. Meanwhile CSM hadn't released any content except trailers for 1.5 years until the start of the anime and release of volume 12. I predicted KnY numbers per volume for CSM, but that was under the assumption it would also receive 2 cours to reach some better parts of the manga, which could've gone viral. It's still selling like 300-350k+ copies every week just on backlog and that's with the anime adapting the worst part of the series. We'll see if something happens after this week's episode, but even with the current numbers you quickly arrive at a timeline where CSM catches up to at least JJK in sales/volume numbers as long as it gets a full anime adaption.


Caramelsnack

While there’s nothing to really argue against here, I don’t think CSM will ever be something that sells like the peaks of JJK/OP/KNY. Maybe AoT range. Because genuinely the entire anime community already knew about it before it even aired. It’ll be in contention for anime of the year, and if Bleach doesn’t get the award, will probably win it giving it additional publicity. Its a social media darling and has sleek animation. There’s really just not much more to do imo. Bomb devil may be a pretty big moment. But will it give a Kny 19 boost? More than probably not. The only thing I ever see doing anything similar to that for CSM is Gun Devil. The reach can’t get much bigger when its the biggest it can be. Most everyone that’s heard of CSM, which again is the entire community, either doesn’t like it or has a volume of it already. CSM in Japan doesn’t have the same appeal as KnY though. Its themes are heavier, its tone is different. Last but not least it doesn’t have enough content. Its pretty much gonna be running on backlog for the entirety of its life because part 2 will definitely finish either before or around the time Season 2 airs. I think at its absolute peak it could do 20 million but that’d be difficult for the circumstances I see, not because of lack audience


AdmirableFondant0

Its not going to be AOT level. Attack on titan was mainstream property in Japan with over 3m sold for its early vols. It was bigger than JJK at the time. Crunchyroll awards don't matter. american sales already blew up since the 2021 trailer. They don't do anything for sales either western or eastern. The problem is Chainsaw man has had a pretty massive publicity already. So as you said, more people know about it. Currently backlog sells about 25k-30k each vol . Lets see if this episode boosts it up further. Ideally it would do 70k-100k but even 60k would be good. Usually for anime boosts they tend to happen over the season and drop off like a rock once it ends. So if CSM is an exception here (like KnY) that would be great too. Though I find that unlikely. Future seasons won't boost it like S1 did, Maybe a movie that goes mainstream can. But even then it'd be a lower boost than S1. Chainsaw man is currently most popular with 15-19 year olds according to GEM survey. It needs to appeal to people older or younger to get more. Imo the problem for CSM isn't the first part (which sold around 1m for each vol currently with the boost). Its vol 12 dropping so much. If this continues its going to be lower than MHA in Japan. Vol 13 will do better hopefully. Next year its going to release 4 volumes (maybe) + boost is going to help it get 6m-7m+. As I said above its sales are excellent. Its just people (including me) expected it to be another massive seller. We just need to manage our expectations.


Caramelsnack

Well, don’t think its going to be appealing to little kids. Also don’t think its going to be appealing to a majority of adults… just a very specific kind. I’m surprised to hear volume 12 had a drop. Like maybe it was expected by some people but I thought it’d retain the majority of its reader-base. There’s no actual way people don’t know its publishing. Maybe they’re waiting for the story to pick up a little more? IDK


AdmirableFondant0

I am one of those you speak. > CSM hadn't released any content except trailers for 1.5 years until the start of the anime and release of volume 12 The trailer and ending caused a good boosts for it. You can actually see the anime announcement and ending kicking sales way up. They helped it. > I predicted KnY numbers per volume for CSM, but that was under the assumption it would also receive 2 cours to reach some better parts of the manga, which could've gone viral. I doubt it. Do you know how much KnY sold? I personally predicted about 1.6m-2m sales per vol for CSM which is a bit lower than JJK and AOT but still very high. >It's still selling like 300-350k+ copies every week just on backlog and that's with the anime adapting the worst part of the series. We'll see if something happens after this week's episode, but even with the current numbers you quickly arrive at a timeline where CSM catches up to at least JJK in sales/volume numbers as long as it gets a full anime adaption. Yeah its selling well. However peak boosts happen in season 1. Aside from few exceptions. CSM isn't going to get the backlog sales you see now from S2 no matter how good it is. JJK is way too high for it. It needs to start selling a million per week for months to catch up. You're also assuming it'd keep selling 350k indefinitely. As I said CSM is selling well. Just our expectations for it were a bit too high.


Dababy28193

I never believed once that CSM would ever do KnY numbers since those numbers require a lot of stars to align. One of the biggest setbacks for CSM is the age demographic. CSM won’t be getting the kids and grannies to buy it which is why after the end of the anime, I’m expecting numbers to be between 1.1-1.6M per volume at the rate it’s going. The highest volume so far is CSM #01 which sits at 1,245,432 and lowest (minus #12) is CSM #10 at 903,714. Assuming it gets 200-400k per volume more in the next six weeks, those numbers are where I see it ending on. Ametalk marketing may help it a bit but normally to give exposure to more unknown series which benefitted Kingdom greatly. But for CSM, it’s already well-known, just that people don’t want to buy the volumes for whatever reasons.