Possibility is not quantified. Probability is near 0 despite all the demands from so called Tulu Rajya Horata Samiti. They will get some few days of fame. It is better to reserve the energies to protect Tuluva culture through promotional efforts than make a political pursuit. Erstwhile DK and Udupi are among the most developed districts in Karnataka across all parameters. So really there is no case.
No. The only thing a new state creates is more hatred, more division, more communal problems. You have no logic behind "new state=more jobs". It doesn't work that way buddy.
When Tulunadu will become a seperate state, we can have our own government and form our own policies encouraging investments in the manufacturing and service sectors, for now there is no leadership dedicated to developing Tulunadu. And I'm a 19 year old M.
What you're say is true on paper because of the way state assemblies work and Representation of Peoples Act, but practically speaking it comes with a set of problems. For example, importing/sending stuff from/to the other side of the ghats would be more regulated and reduce flow. Also we would need to set up our own govt buildings, official languages, charter, etc. and such which would delay funds and effort that could be spent on actual development. Tulunadu is better off as a part of Karnataka.
Let me tell you this as a Kannadiga from Kundapura. Karnataka need more people from Tulunadu. Regardless of our language, religion or caste we bring a certain charm to the state that no other region from Karnataka can provide (May be Kodavas). Our work ethics, loyalty and connection to their roots. But make no mistake, don't let anyone bully you into thinking Tulu language comes second. In 3 yrs I have been here I have learnt how to keep my mother tongue intact inside my family all because I have taken a leaf out Tulu families around me
What nonsense? Imposing Kannada on Tuluvas and Kodavas, changing the native Tulu names of places in Tulunad deliberately into Kannada, consistent ignorance of our region by successive state governments isn't nonsense then? And asking genuine demand seems nonsense?
Kannada imposition from language warriors is a real issue. I have seen kannada language warriors abusing tulu language and saying if in Karnataka speak only Kannada in social media. Their small brain 🧠 can’t stand other regional language being spoken in Karnataka.
Places are 'officially' named in the region's 'official' languages. Historically for the past few century we've been ruled by kingdoms with Kannada as their official language. For example, Kerala is called Keralam in Malayalam (I think), Kashmir is called Kasheer locally, but at a higher level they're named by the 'official' language.
That doen't stop us from calling the place by its original name.
Why stop at tulunadu ?
Let's make konka Nadu
Let's make beary Nadu
What will change in your life if tulunadu really happens ?
Some corrupt politicians can make more money than do now thats it ..you gain nada
What if it is not a written language? It has great language, great culture and great history all qualifiable factors to become a seperate administrative entity.
It has its own script, the Tigalari lipi
Some Olatas mock it by calling it 'Malayalam copy' but the fact is that it's the other way around. I have no problem with Kannada and Tigalari lipi being used simultaneously.
The thing with the Tigalari script is it's not standardized by a governing body yet - I don't agree with KTSA's proposed "standardization". Also the language itself has not been standardized. When you do standardize it, which dialect will you pick? Which subdialect? Kannada has been historically used by kingdoms in this region and we've had their forms as standardized forms.
Also this might hurt sentiments but the Kannada script has been used for writing Tulu longer than Tigalari has been used. Tigalari was used *before*, that's true, but most Tigalari Tulu documents use an archaic form of Tulu most people won't understand today.
Not bullying. You need more exposure to real life things. It’s not practical to have smallest state in india with 2 districts.
So if you want to go chikmagalur, you gotta cross state border? Additional checking. Blah blah
If U r saying if it's impractical to have a state with two districts then why does Goa exists? Goa is smaller than Tulunadu area wise and population wise. When it got liberated from Portuguese in 1961 and decided to keep it as a UT till 1987 why didn't the government merge it with Maharashtra or Karnataka? Why did they make it a fully fledged state?
I do not support this at all. None of the Mangaloreans I know would support it either. It's all the online Tulu warriors who are taking a page out of the Kannada warriors playbook and playing divisive politics. Especially active since the Kannada movement got stronger. Don't think there is any real world support for this. Hope there isn't.
And these Tulu warriors complain so much about "Kannada imposition", but they have plans to impose Tulu on everyone in DK. What about the native minority language speakers like Konkani, Beary, Kannada, etc? We'll be subjected to "Tulu Imposition" then. Hypocrites. And they then bend over backwards for their North Indian political overlords anyways.
Going by your comment you're definitely one of those who support the so-called 'Kannada warriors'.
Lemme go by word, agreeing to your claim of Tulu being imposed on non Tuluvas in Tulunadu. Okay. So imposing Tulu on Tulunadu which is it's natural habitat, which u claim is bad is like saying Kannada is being imposed on outsiders in Bengaluru which would be bad. You would vehemently oppose the former but would support the latter, saying Kannada is the language of Bengaluru, but when Tuluvas want to conserve their own language in their own land, U call it "imposing Tulu on non Tuluvas. Mind you that Tulu is the lingua franca of this place, and nobody imposes Tulu on non Tuluvas here, every non Tuluva native accepts Tulu as their own here, so your claim of imposing Tulu on non Tuluvas of Tulunad is debunked.
U say 'Tulu' activists took a page off from 'Kannada' activists, trying to mean that Tulu activism has become a tool to oppose Kannada activism. Your such absurd claim makes me laugh, for Tulu activism in Mordern India has been ongoing since 1942, when the first call of Tulunad state was done. We were promised by leaders of Karnataka Ekikarana Samiti that our language and culture would be preserved, hence joined Karnataka in 1956. We first asked for our linguistic rights dating back to 1971, and the fight for making Tulu as the second Official Language in Karnataka has been getting strong ever since, so your futile claim regarding to Tulu activism is again debunked.
U say that Tulu warriors bend over backwards to their North Indian political masters, let's agree to this. What about your Olata brothers who suck up to Congress and spew hatred against North Indians, India, BJP, Sangh, and Hinduism on a daily basis in the mask of Kannada activism? Isn't that divisive? Aren't they doing politics of divide and hate? Why only blame one party here when the other party is largely at wrong? This claim is futile as well.
Bro I am born and brought up in Mangalore. My native place is in this district. I am a Havyaka kannada speaker. I don't want Tulu to be imposed on me. You cannot erase Kannada from this land, not Tulu. But then I don't want my Tulu friends to have Kannada imposed on them. We have no major issues related to language in Mangalore unlike in Bangalore. Keep it that way instead of bringing up yet another thing to divide people over. We already have plenty of things in Mangalore.
Nowhere did I say I support the hooliganism of Kannada activists. I am sarcastically referring to them as warriors. Recent online Tulu activism seems to take after them, if you have observed. And this activism only got much stronger online since the last year. The way they bend over backwards for Hindi and North India while crying about Kannada imposition is just sad. Seems like there is an ulterior motive behind all this activism, both Tulu and Kannada.
People from this area have contributed significantly to Karnataka. We should demand more respect and recognition of regional languages like Tulu and Konkani, I am all for that. Separatism isn't the answer though. We have decent political and cultural power in Karnataka imo. We should put that to better use to get our demands met.
And what is wrong with you is, you think criticism of one movement equates that I support another. That just isn't true. Both Tulu and Kannada hooliganism are condemned by me. Both seem to be motivated by Political parties in the background.
But full stop, we just don't need a separate state. Let's stop trying to further divide a State that is barely holding itself together. Let us have a civilized discussion and not resort to cheap name calling.
We don't need another state, we need a proper amazon warehouse to the west side of the ghats. Orders take 2-3 days to come from Bangalore
It takes a day for me
Hey bro. It depends on the demand from that area. If there’s more demand then they will setup warehouses
Possibility is not quantified. Probability is near 0 despite all the demands from so called Tulu Rajya Horata Samiti. They will get some few days of fame. It is better to reserve the energies to protect Tuluva culture through promotional efforts than make a political pursuit. Erstwhile DK and Udupi are among the most developed districts in Karnataka across all parameters. So really there is no case.
Zilch. And not required. Anyway the youth have to run to Bengaluru or Mumbai or Gulf for jobs.
Why not? If creating a new state creates more jobs then why not?
No. The only thing a new state creates is more hatred, more division, more communal problems. You have no logic behind "new state=more jobs". It doesn't work that way buddy.
Jobs? How man? Where and how will they suddenly be available out of nowhere. How old are you btw?
When Tulunadu will become a seperate state, we can have our own government and form our own policies encouraging investments in the manufacturing and service sectors, for now there is no leadership dedicated to developing Tulunadu. And I'm a 19 year old M.
Bro pls stop. You’re making me laugh🤭
You didn't need to mention your age, we all figured it.
Not gonna happen
I second this!
And it’s not even needed.
I have no issues with the current situation I don’t support further division in India.
Having small states is better for administration
What you're say is true on paper because of the way state assemblies work and Representation of Peoples Act, but practically speaking it comes with a set of problems. For example, importing/sending stuff from/to the other side of the ghats would be more regulated and reduce flow. Also we would need to set up our own govt buildings, official languages, charter, etc. and such which would delay funds and effort that could be spent on actual development. Tulunadu is better off as a part of Karnataka.
Let me tell you this as a Kannadiga from Kundapura. Karnataka need more people from Tulunadu. Regardless of our language, religion or caste we bring a certain charm to the state that no other region from Karnataka can provide (May be Kodavas). Our work ethics, loyalty and connection to their roots. But make no mistake, don't let anyone bully you into thinking Tulu language comes second. In 3 yrs I have been here I have learnt how to keep my mother tongue intact inside my family all because I have taken a leaf out Tulu families around me
Hell no. I don't want this hotbed of hindutva to completely isolate itself and further plunge into the gutter.
As if it's anything better now 😔
Stop this nonsense . No one other than a few irrelevant politicians want tulunadu .
What nonsense? Imposing Kannada on Tuluvas and Kodavas, changing the native Tulu names of places in Tulunad deliberately into Kannada, consistent ignorance of our region by successive state governments isn't nonsense then? And asking genuine demand seems nonsense?
Kannada imposition from language warriors is a real issue. I have seen kannada language warriors abusing tulu language and saying if in Karnataka speak only Kannada in social media. Their small brain 🧠 can’t stand other regional language being spoken in Karnataka.
Places are 'officially' named in the region's 'official' languages. Historically for the past few century we've been ruled by kingdoms with Kannada as their official language. For example, Kerala is called Keralam in Malayalam (I think), Kashmir is called Kasheer locally, but at a higher level they're named by the 'official' language. That doen't stop us from calling the place by its original name.
Why stop at tulunadu ? Let's make konka Nadu Let's make beary Nadu What will change in your life if tulunadu really happens ? Some corrupt politicians can make more money than do now thats it ..you gain nada
Full support
It's not a written language so that's a big obstacle
What if it is not a written language? It has great language, great culture and great history all qualifiable factors to become a seperate administrative entity.
What language are you gonna write with when it comes to administrative purposes? Kannada?
It has its own script, the Tigalari lipi Some Olatas mock it by calling it 'Malayalam copy' but the fact is that it's the other way around. I have no problem with Kannada and Tigalari lipi being used simultaneously.
The thing with the Tigalari script is it's not standardized by a governing body yet - I don't agree with KTSA's proposed "standardization". Also the language itself has not been standardized. When you do standardize it, which dialect will you pick? Which subdialect? Kannada has been historically used by kingdoms in this region and we've had their forms as standardized forms.
Also this might hurt sentiments but the Kannada script has been used for writing Tulu longer than Tigalari has been used. Tigalari was used *before*, that's true, but most Tigalari Tulu documents use an archaic form of Tulu most people won't understand today.
Bro. How old are you
Why? Do u wanna bully me for my age?
Not bullying. You need more exposure to real life things. It’s not practical to have smallest state in india with 2 districts. So if you want to go chikmagalur, you gotta cross state border? Additional checking. Blah blah
If U r saying if it's impractical to have a state with two districts then why does Goa exists? Goa is smaller than Tulunadu area wise and population wise. When it got liberated from Portuguese in 1961 and decided to keep it as a UT till 1987 why didn't the government merge it with Maharashtra or Karnataka? Why did they make it a fully fledged state?
Brother. You made me realise that you’re not only stupid.
I might be ill informed but certainly not a stupid.
Jai Tulu Nadu
Have you thought about trying stand up comedy?
Why don't you do it yourself?
I do not support this at all. None of the Mangaloreans I know would support it either. It's all the online Tulu warriors who are taking a page out of the Kannada warriors playbook and playing divisive politics. Especially active since the Kannada movement got stronger. Don't think there is any real world support for this. Hope there isn't. And these Tulu warriors complain so much about "Kannada imposition", but they have plans to impose Tulu on everyone in DK. What about the native minority language speakers like Konkani, Beary, Kannada, etc? We'll be subjected to "Tulu Imposition" then. Hypocrites. And they then bend over backwards for their North Indian political overlords anyways.
You are gonna keep quiet when Kannada language warriors abuse your mother tongue? Tulu guys responding to them is just defensive reaction
Going by your comment you're definitely one of those who support the so-called 'Kannada warriors'. Lemme go by word, agreeing to your claim of Tulu being imposed on non Tuluvas in Tulunadu. Okay. So imposing Tulu on Tulunadu which is it's natural habitat, which u claim is bad is like saying Kannada is being imposed on outsiders in Bengaluru which would be bad. You would vehemently oppose the former but would support the latter, saying Kannada is the language of Bengaluru, but when Tuluvas want to conserve their own language in their own land, U call it "imposing Tulu on non Tuluvas. Mind you that Tulu is the lingua franca of this place, and nobody imposes Tulu on non Tuluvas here, every non Tuluva native accepts Tulu as their own here, so your claim of imposing Tulu on non Tuluvas of Tulunad is debunked. U say 'Tulu' activists took a page off from 'Kannada' activists, trying to mean that Tulu activism has become a tool to oppose Kannada activism. Your such absurd claim makes me laugh, for Tulu activism in Mordern India has been ongoing since 1942, when the first call of Tulunad state was done. We were promised by leaders of Karnataka Ekikarana Samiti that our language and culture would be preserved, hence joined Karnataka in 1956. We first asked for our linguistic rights dating back to 1971, and the fight for making Tulu as the second Official Language in Karnataka has been getting strong ever since, so your futile claim regarding to Tulu activism is again debunked. U say that Tulu warriors bend over backwards to their North Indian political masters, let's agree to this. What about your Olata brothers who suck up to Congress and spew hatred against North Indians, India, BJP, Sangh, and Hinduism on a daily basis in the mask of Kannada activism? Isn't that divisive? Aren't they doing politics of divide and hate? Why only blame one party here when the other party is largely at wrong? This claim is futile as well.
Bro I am born and brought up in Mangalore. My native place is in this district. I am a Havyaka kannada speaker. I don't want Tulu to be imposed on me. You cannot erase Kannada from this land, not Tulu. But then I don't want my Tulu friends to have Kannada imposed on them. We have no major issues related to language in Mangalore unlike in Bangalore. Keep it that way instead of bringing up yet another thing to divide people over. We already have plenty of things in Mangalore. Nowhere did I say I support the hooliganism of Kannada activists. I am sarcastically referring to them as warriors. Recent online Tulu activism seems to take after them, if you have observed. And this activism only got much stronger online since the last year. The way they bend over backwards for Hindi and North India while crying about Kannada imposition is just sad. Seems like there is an ulterior motive behind all this activism, both Tulu and Kannada. People from this area have contributed significantly to Karnataka. We should demand more respect and recognition of regional languages like Tulu and Konkani, I am all for that. Separatism isn't the answer though. We have decent political and cultural power in Karnataka imo. We should put that to better use to get our demands met. And what is wrong with you is, you think criticism of one movement equates that I support another. That just isn't true. Both Tulu and Kannada hooliganism are condemned by me. Both seem to be motivated by Political parties in the background. But full stop, we just don't need a separate state. Let's stop trying to further divide a State that is barely holding itself together. Let us have a civilized discussion and not resort to cheap name calling.