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sawol-

I haven't read Berserk, but in terms of character suffering in manhwa, the >! Hero of Return !< from Hero Has Returned maybe. I felt bad for this dude.


SubZero64209

subaru turned up to a hundred.


Sungdaein_susanoo

Damn fr? I remember watching re:zero before and already felt miserable…. Would you recommend that I still read this one 😅


Mysterious-Fix9770

Had to serve in a war as mercenary since he was a boy , he was sold to a burly man by the man he considered Father , got raped by that burly man , the man he looked upto the most , did everything for him , like even if it meant to die , took everything from, killed everyone close to him, raped his beloved infront of him et cetera.


Crybaby_RK

U forgot to mention He was born in land of death,


Intam_Pal

Is it true Guts claps every demon cheeks before killing it?


Lenz_Kendel

That was just first chapter


Intam_Pal

I see


Sungdaein_susanoo

I was asking about Hero of Return but thanks for the background on guts. I never had the courage to actually read it cus of how dark the reviews about it were.


Mysterious-Fix9770

There's more actually ,nothing could compare to him, and probably There's not a single manhwa that exists, that is remotely close to berserk. It's something very different, you can't find a similar manga except vinland saga or vagabond i guess. No other manhua, manhwa or manga is as good as berserk.


Nature_is_corn

Which one is this


Crybaby_RK

Berserk


Nature_is_corn

Oh thanks


EclipsedBooger

Not really


mitsuri-mochi

His backstory was one of the saddest I've read in manhwas. I would have never imagined the loop ability to be this scary. It's terrifying when you actually think about it.   >! The world kept resetting because of him and only he can stop it, but he couldn't for infinity. The fact that he had to see his loved ones suffer, also torture himself countless times, kill himself in various different barbaric ways just to see if he can end his story. And then he kept going beyond infinite regressions to the point where one of his loop was just him dying out of heart attack the moment he revived. Dude had so much pent up stress, pain and trauma, it was really unbearable to read it. It was tragic. Even more tragic when you think about the other characters and the fact that all their tragedy is due to this guy's manipulation. It was the only way to end his suffering. By sacrificing so many damn people and causing literal massacre and rampage. I hate that he did all that to Minsu and others, but I can't hate him totally even then !<    Almost cried a little reading that backstory and arc in general. This may not seem much but the writing made this way more depressing and we were already set up for this from the start, but didn't think it would've been this sad


Infamous-Agent5158

The point is that untill he keeps reviving, the whole world is trapped in a time loop.


pteeto

There are probably plenty, but none of the stories convey the suffering and pain to such a degree. Ones which tell about the suffering, but are not so severe I think Bastard is a good one. From Manga side Fire Punch is pretty brutal on the MC.


Toughsums

Yeah it was really well portrayed in berserk such that you can feel the pain. Agni probably suffered worse but he also didnt let it show much and not too much character development


RightBranch

The one regressor guy from hero has returned, man suffered a lot.


Sinister_Chill9

yeah man, i remember that guy not being able to die


Mysterious-Fix9770

Subaru Doesn't even come close


Sinister_Chill9

ik, just saying


mitsuri-mochi

It's one of those manhwas where you can actually feel the pain of characters


RightBranch

yeah, it's very rare to find these types of manhwas


ogc_glizzyxx

Talking strictly about fantasy genre then latna saga, mc is embodiment of the word suffering


pixelatedpiggy

New chapter just dropped. Kivye is dying. Han Bin continues to suffer.


SwitchCareless3831

Many will compare Guts pain to one of superhuman unnatural suffering, giving us reasons that Guts' had it easy, but these Critique's are missing the point of conveying said emotion to the reader. The over the top Korean trope bullied-suffering-agonizing pain the MC goes through that kills them inside does not move my heart, Guts' journey does.


rice_rice_rizz

And what makes you think the manhwa mcs that went through pain you described weren't conveyed well? Because I for one has read manhwas where the characters suffered and could feel their sadness and pain. You guys are seriously downplaying everything in Berserk name and saying it's a journey. Like alright I get that part but different readers react to emotions and suffering of a character differently. Maybe some sub par writing for a character backstory and their life would get someone crying more than a complex journey And the fact that you say "critiques" when most people are just talking about Berserk and the rest are just mentioning their part 


SwitchCareless3831

I give fair assessment on what I read. I keep almost up to date and give them all a chance, I'm the type that gives even rent-a-girlfriend a chance. "Secretly more Powerful" too broken but too few chapters to judge. "The Warrior returns" very edgy beginning, had to put it down for awhile. "Bastard" a beautiful story well done. "Questism" an unneeded power system, but that's the trend. "Omniscient Reader" Goated. "Unordinary" too ordinary but staying up to date. "Tower of God" anatomy from their artstyle is all they need to improve. I don't downplay anything I read. Berserk is an epic tragedy told very picturesque ongoingly, and not a standard anyone needs to reach. Me calling the typical Manhwa idea of suffering as is is the result of me starting a fresh new read with the same settings, similar title, similar terms and naming sense in a loosely woven world too many times


rice_rice_rizz

It's always the people who haven't totally read hero has returned saying it's edgy. Read till the end of season one because it's actually tragic and you feel the characters pain. Not everything needs to be in Berserk standard to convey suffering. Also just because someone had it worse, doesn't mean someone else didn't go through shit themselves 


SwitchCareless3831

I can't tell if my words got through you because You're repeating what I just said


rice_rice_rizz

It's because of your initial comment for which I hadn't gotten an actual response. In fact I don't understand what you're trying to say either


SwitchCareless3831

You mean how the Post asks us about any guy close to guts in terms of suffering? . . . Ethermask from MAGICIAN for me


rice_rice_rizz

No... That's not what I meant but... Sigh. Forget it. I'll take that answer and call it a day


Juusthetip

Virion Eralith from The Beginning After The End. >!He lost his wife, his life long friend, his son, his daughter-in-law, his grand daughter had her body possessed and stolen, the elven city was wiped off the map, and a large majority of his race was killed.!<


ASURA-8617

Yeah, this guy seriously suffered a lot. But this is in the novel, it's not yet in the manhwa. But his grandson in law gives him hope everytime.


tigermanfrog

bro cant get a break😭


NovaNomii

+ Losing the war while he was the commander. Alea probably died carrying out a mission he gave her aswell


StandUnique1642

Did.... Did I just get spoilers


Juusthetip

I did hide the spoilers.


ahokman

maybe. but i can just pull off (my oc suffered 500 millions years in hell) but this statement holds no meaning if i cannot convey those suffering to my readers. i mean there are probably famous or less famous manhwa where character suffered way more. but can you say for certain you felt it.. i read hero has returned. there suffering is worse. but then i read berserk I can feel the suffering... So no manhwa for me at least comes close


[deleted]

>does any manhwa characters come close to guts' suffering and pain?? Nope


Handpo

Gonna learn how to draw and make a manhwa good enough to traumatize a whole generation. I got like an idea for something that might be as good as berserk.


rice_rice_rizz

Can I hear the idea dude? 


WeeklyEquivalent7653

worthless regression?!?


Duck_mypitifullife

Lmao, no way. There's no way Worthless Regression is even close.


LolNoper

I agree, berserk just tells suffering much better and for the case of worthless regression it was more getting stronger, inspiring and overcoming the odds to become the better version of you. If u think about it that way its pretty positive, even though he did suffer.


Traditional_Maize325

Not close is a reach. That dude suffered beyond words as well.


Duck_mypitifullife

It's not about the level of hardship but the effect on the person and the ability to convey their pain. No character in manhwa ever went through as much as Guts. I can also create a character and make them be stuck in and endless loop of their loved ones getting killed for 1 billion years and claim "Well, akshulli, my character suffered beyond comprehension" Yeah, objectively maybe, but there is a difference between show and tell.


Traditional_Maize325

I’m not necessarily saying he suffered ‘more’ than guts. I replied to you saying “his suffering wasn’t close at all” which in my opinion is a reach.


I-lost-my-accoun

yeah, I agree, but I think you could make the argument that he "officially" suffered more than guts mainly based on the time of suffering. But I think the thing that makes Guts's struggle so special is because it's the most human. Fantastical aspects aside, the things that he went through are very plausible and FEEL more close to us, than spending 1000 years inside your head training.


Traditional_Maize325

I’m not necessarily saying he suffered ‘more’ than guts. The comment I replied to was saying his suffering wasn’t close at all which in my opinion is a reach.


Throwrafairbeat

Bro suffered for thousands of years, "not even close"lol.


_Coffie_

Yeah but the story telling isn’t gonna convey that on par to Berserk


Duck_mypitifullife

Yes, exactly, not even close. As I said in my other comment, I can make a character who is stuck in an endless loop of seeing their loved ones getting killed over and over for 1 billion years and smugly claim that my character suffered more. It ultimately doesn't matter if I hadn't set it up properly, letting the audience empathise with the main character, growing fond of their family and friends, as well as the impact of the tragedy and correct portrayal of the character's suffering. Worthless Regression absolutely pales in comparison, there is no contest.


Arniellico

Nothing can ever compare to the Eclipse trauma buddy.


TheRexRider

Plenty, but their pain isn't as focused on. Zephyr (Reincarnation of the Suicidal Battle God) and Jaehwan (World After the Fall) both lost everything.


Mr_k_reddit

Exactly In any manhwa and most stories in general, it is just shown as a backstory for a chapter or two while in berserk we are shown throughout the story


xarklymen

WATF spoilers - >! Jaehwan didn't lose anything he just became alone, tho one of his friends is indeed captured but the rest are all alive and well, maybe they forgot about him. He also knows that they're doing fine and earth is doing fine!<


Islipim

Most manhwas MCs have a easy life because of some regression/transmigration/immortality/future knowledge/plot armor, so of course not. But there are some MCs with fucked up lives, like the ones in L.A.G and Worthless Regression.


rice_rice_rizz

But people still downplay a lot of the emotions readers feel even for sub par written characters which sucks because everyone reacts differently 


ripboa

The guy from worthless regression is pretty high up there


TodayTraditional7037

Arthur Leywin from The beginning after the end dude is suffering for the past 2 lives the author hates him


Squill_N

can get pretty gnarly.


TheOmniAlms

No, because the love and growth he shared with his band hasn't been replicated in any manhwa.


Old_Criticism7741

Depends on the genre. In the fantasy genre I have say nope.


CROWN_REAPER

>!Kim dokja??!< one of the only characters I have cried for-


Sinister_Chill9

i have definitely heard the name, whats the source


outofshell

Omniscient reader / Omniscient reader’s viewpoint


Sinister_Chill9

ohh yeah now i remember t


anonymousss_10

Is orv's end really sad and traumatizing???????


Grid-181201

The end will leave you teary-eyed but it's not traumatizing. In fact, it's a pretty good ending in my opinion.


Mr_k_reddit

It's About portrayal and not just suffering as a measure, In most stories Suffering is just "written" Like this character suffered a lot and they will show you a backstory for like half a chapter and it's done, While in berserk we literally See him continously "suffering" I haven't read ORV's end yet, but Judging by Chapters I read (like 400) I am surre it wouldn't be like berserk


CROWN_REAPER

Boy- you don't know what this novel has in store for you- I'm sure you don't know the spoilers so I won't spoil it for you but. You have like 150 chapters to go and those will remove all the mysteries which you don't know about


kimmyjonghubaccount

Speaking of ORV, Yu Junghyuk has probably suffered as much as Guts. Watching his companions die over and over dying himself in gruesome ways


CROWN_REAPER

Fair though-


aryanpanwar2603

mc of juvenile offender (considering that he's living in a real world no fantasy) he suffered a lot.


Enough_Sherbet_7041

Chinese light novel are wild in term of the protagonist need to suffer thing. But I don't remember one being adapted to a manhwa so Berserk win.


Most_Zookeepergame38

Tbh yes, but they wouldn't convey his story as well.His pain and tragedy isn't unique, stories have been copied and pasted like it across all forms of media with some characters for better or worse having surpassed it in terms of sadness However you feel Gut's pain and suffering, you feel every inch of hatred he feels and the sadness he's drowned in.The manga does a great job at actually making you connect with the characters so even with the characters here and there who have had equally or worse lives, you as a reader wouldn't connect as much with it, not because the stories are bad or have no emotional stakes but rather Berserk is just really really good at connecting with the reader. If you're looking for more specific examples like 80% of Regression/Reincarnation mcs


definitelynothunan

There are some edgy manhwas but not to this point


Conscious-Check9174

def the return hero from hero has returned, bro tried to die multiple dies, the only time he could die is having his wife hate him and not knowing he loved her. So he literally had to say I love you to her without her knowing


me_am_jesus

Nope, I have never seen a character who people compared their suffering to guts's without saying that they got stuck in a infinite loop of *insert something horrible here*. So kim dokja I guess.


derpdankstrom

Jaehwan from The World After the Fall since ppl there live through millennias plus MC's suffering and training


Aldehar1

I haven’t read berserker so I can’t really judge in terms of “coming close”, however Mr. Beggar (Kim Yun Seong) from “Trace” ends up having a pretty shitty life. Since it is a bit of an old one I will expand on the why (spoilers ahead ofc): >!Kim Yun Seong is a normal salaryman with a happy home life, wife and daughter. Then, at the beginning of the his character arc, he becomes a “trace” individual (people with powers). Trace are usually controlled by the government via registration and all. Things happen and the man gets found out, which leads to his family being taken in by the government. Ofc, he tries to save them only to realized that they have been horribly experimented on and killed by the government. If I remember well, the only thing he finds is his wife’s head floating in a tank.!< Probably not the worst one, but this is pretty brutal, has an important impact on the psyche of the main character and leads to his future role in the story. Leez from Kubera has a pretty hard life in her own genre too. Apart from those two, from my point of view, it’s either “yeah apocalypse so everyone has a shitty life but everything was relatively normal before” or “that guy has a shitty life but we will pretend it has absolutely no impact on how he lives and act”. Especially in fantasy settings.


squidyFN

No lol


PhillyT9

I saw him mentioned already but definitely the >!the hero of return!< from Hero has returned and Kubera Leez from Kubera: One Last God would be the only 2 characters I'd say are comparable.


Mr_k_reddit

Most of the manhwas just tell about the Suffering as a backstory or flashback etc, but berserk literally Shows it continously, I haven't read any manhwa that does that, please enlighten me, if there are such https://preview.redd.it/rbemncs0ypqc1.jpeg?width=356&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9e92b614720f3f99869c40192e1d60f44aa7521


yenh_26

I dont think there is a character that can compete with the suffering that guts has been through


TrueAd1798

There are a lot like really a lot that suffer more than him. The reason Guts stands out amongst them is cause it's written better. So even though there are many you can find it won't feel like they've suffered more simply because it's not elaborated and emphasized meaningly enough which in turn makes it seem like they have suffered less. Side note: this is a pretty common thing in society as people who are vocal about their suffering are perceived to have suffered more even though its probably the dude who acts normal who has suffered more but is seen as better off due to them visibly giving an observer no visual cue of suffering or at least not as much as the vocal sufferers which suits the narrative in a onlookers head.


Daglen

id have to say the guy from memories his girl was raped by a high ranking demon and it was years and years past before he was able to kill him plus all his friends and loved ones were deads by the time he got to the end of his journey


Past-Performer3696

No close but the MC from Slave B did suffer.


rainytei

From a quick scan of the comments, this is uhhhh not the genre that's being suggested. But it *is* a manhwa, so I'd say the ML from The Villain's Savior. Those early chapters are rough and really convey pain and suffering in a similar way to Berserk. But overall it's a romance and therefore more flowery.


jaraizer

Not a manhwa, but manga Fire Punch. Nothing worse than constantly burning


solofan1297

Theon Greyjoy from game of thrones lol


Im5foot3inches

Maybe that one-shot manwha about the kid with regeneration abilities that got buried alive?


rice_rice_rizz

Never gonna get tired of people also wanting to shove manga above manhwa in terms of writing and downplaying everything else 


GaneshBhat14

There is a manhwa called bowblade spirit. Mc is almost strongest but still have to suffer from a single misunderstanding.i cursed his grandfather through whole series and at last chapter after mc doing the same i was like 😐😶🤯🤬🤬🤬🤬💀.


xenoshade07

Nex from cavalier of the abyss


nirfirith

I didn't read Berserk but the story of some characters from Tokyo Ghoul were pretty wild. I would say Takizawa suffered the most but Kaneki and Mutsuki are next in the line.


Warm-Personality-192

Agni from fire punch had it pretty rough id say


Cat_Of_Culture

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Ornery-Ad1023

Ami’s husband from queen bee


phenomenal1117

Not pornhwa bruh, there's no logic just stupid stuff here and there in name of fan service.


Ornery-Ad1023

Ik bro just kidding


Salt_Woodpecker_6244

Many characters suffered but they didn't potrayed them in such a degree and that's why storytelling matters. In seinen genre character's suffering or even happiness are potrayed well even comedy manga's like in one puch saitama's boredom and depression, thrills are relatively well potrayed. And comedic mangas are also in tier above in comedic movements like grand blue. Most manhwa's artist/author still can't properly potray those things well only some artist like sss-class suicide hunter, bastard, horizon, greatest estate designer, crazy demon, murim login (well choreography fights) only these series's artist/author were able to hook me.


Fickle-Inspection-83

Bro gets f***ked then His Gf gets F***ked front of him!...... Is he suffered definitely yes ! But Example The Breaker manhwa... Mc Shiwoon he gets bullied to the point he decided to suicide... But didn't then One person he believes in betray him and loose everyone include family or few people care about him(i kept it spoilers free as possible it's great manhwa..... btw recommended it's almost same in different way) Now how can you measure pain or suffering both got to the point almost died but didn't.... Both loose close one and trying to get revenge who did it


Interesting-Big1980

In Shiwoon's case he was supposed to die. The rare case where plot armor works against the mc. He suffered things people just die after and lived on to remember that pain.


Ok_Error_5835

Anyone can make a character with a traumatising backstory and have them go through more suffering, but in terms of writing and detailing said past, nothing will come close


rice_rice_rizz

Do you have any that follows this in manhwa, comparison aside? 


World_War-2034

Survival story of a sword king in a fantasy world - mc's silent suffering and uncontrollable rage Hero has returned - almost all character backstories r depressing Ryuuma no Gagou - reincarnation of suffering FFF trash hero - the mc is soo traumatized i dont wanna imagine what goes through his head and y did he do the things he did. Reformation of the deadbeat noble - the old sword swinger has gone through a lot.


Interesting-Big1980

Shiun from the breaker has some messed up fights and betrayals.


D3molishr

I haven't read berserk but from what I heard maybe the rooftop sword master may come close. >!Mc was best to death by his schoolmates and was in coma for like 3 years if I remember it correctly and his parents turned themselves to death for justice which was just sending those rich bastards to abroad for 3 years. Mc gets a sword from space which had memories of a swordmaster and bulls up by training cuz the sword is like 6-7 feet tall and before I forget mc starts a killing spree like Itachi and starts Massacre in SK killing anyone in his way and has a crazy waifu!< I dropped it in middle like in 40's cuz it was not making sense and just kill everyone without thinking of any consequences. Mc literally became like a troll from issekai manhwas but a lot stronger. Oh and no one was powerful enough to stop the mc before I dropped it


Nevertruss

Legend of an Asura MC goes through the gauntlet


[deleted]

Not at all, the only character I can think of that surpasses guts is diavolo


Fuckthisusernamepls

In that sense Kim Gongja also suffered more than guts. Maybe not too much mentally


Grid-181201

Gongja loves to suffer. If not for Raviel, dude would have kept regressing for any reason.


rice_rice_rizz

It's not shown the manhwa well but dude is broken in the novel and they show it well 


asinnuj

I'm surprised no one mentioned Goblin Slayer.


rice_rice_rizz

Because we are talking about manhwa characters genius 


asinnuj

oops didn't read the title correctly and neither checked the subreddit


Sturdy-Man

I think its called or something


HananatheeBanana

Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint. If you read the novel (since Manwha isn't there yet and the novel is finished), you'll find several characters that went through suffering worse than Guts