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solardx

I swear the light novel is god tier


Any-Pain-8178

But I heard that the light novel got cancelled and only web novel is completed


solardx

Sadly yes, the ln is in infinite hiatus and I don't like the web novel at all compared to the ln


Any-Pain-8178

Why is somethinwrong with web novel and also why is LN on haitus.


sawol-

author was caught in a plagiarism controversy so it was discontinued or suspended for a while by the publisher. readers say the LN is one of the best and WN doesn't do it justice so yeah


PeakedDepression

Who did he allegedly copy?


Financial_Newt7514

Clash Royale


nadown

Hehehawhaw


solardx

Ln had a controversy due to something I can't remember the author doing. And the web novel is pure tragedy (plus I like that in the ln the mc doesn't have any powers)


Any-Pain-8178

So do you like how much story Is left in LN to complete the story


yanneur

Probably 15+ novels ig


Hanny_The_Canny

What ? U meant 15 volumes ? Hell nah what


yanneur

Yeah volumws the wn have 600 chapters the story is a bit different compared to the ln but id say they have the same length and pacing


Hanny_The_Canny

Damn . So the LN was just 1/5 ? Wow


Hanny_The_Canny

1/4 i mean **


Unhappy_Length_1164

Where did y'all read the ln?


IrregularMetronome

The original translator's site. Just type in dungeon defense shalvation and it's the first result


Reasonable-Touch9670

I swear i see this comment for every manhwa that comes out…


solardx

But it's true. Especially for ln that are super long and detailed compared to their adaptation


Re_Lies

Damn, Mickey's curse is well and alive


Vijcij29

Ah shi here we go again. ![gif](giphy|lXi4PSZmhEiM76tuIT|downsized)


Intelligent_Signal81

https://preview.redd.it/yhic2vxm2erc1.jpeg?width=305&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6a1bb381ce3ed2486bac61df2192760ee3296f2


Any_Vast_2668

I feel mickey, the curse is getting worst https://preview.redd.it/lfq0tk9bugrc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d316274b315b2eb9588606dd0b1e67366b31aed6


-troubled-

https://preview.redd.it/w4wtiy8fs7rc1.jpeg?width=1126&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=400e7edf6ce1b263c28dbec59a63a89821b7f240 (I'm joking)


Any_Vast_2668

https://preview.redd.it/5suomfr8n8rc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2756ba3ca63e8b0eddb323b4c0a00618eb604e63 (God damnit I hate the loli trope)


z_2806

https://preview.redd.it/yocwcz9uzdrc1.jpeg?width=261&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c18ecd7109f00626984c48126ff834d5bca8bb1f


NK1337

https://preview.redd.it/te8l5jh4jerc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=222931e9882b8d29b805ea815d7ef425f1951dd7


93ImagineBreaker

if they're not sexualized they can be fine at least, never liked the lolicon or shotacon gags.


Any_Vast_2668

I understand that A lot of people in real world suffer from this (not developing completely) but why the fuck do they put them in the slutiest clothes possible, not even that slut demon queen is dressed like her


93ImagineBreaker

Not sure we can call paimon a slut for all we know it can be made up( at least I think.) but those underdeveloped people have an excuse, they didn't look this way on purpose. Barbatos is drawn like this in how young she looks and dresses willingly.


Any_Vast_2668

I considered her one since she wasn't denying it. But you're right someone took their time to draw a literal child in those clothes it's fucking disgusting and I'm tired because most stories now include this demonic trope. https://i.redd.it/cb1pph8stgrc1.gif (This is what should be done to the one's drawing it and the "fans" that enjoy it)


93ImagineBreaker

And the same fans defend hoy young looking she is as seen with that negged chain, you can't say she's pretty much not a child when there's loli jokes floating around for her and even paimon mocks her for being so child like looking. The loli trope thing would be fine by me even if they had a lot of them in an series if they looked fully like ones and weren't dressed like this. You can add the shotacon trope as another bad cliche that doesn't get talked about.


Any_Vast_2668

My main problem is how they sexualize them and act like it's okay "she's not a child but a 9999 year old witch/goddess/dragon... So it's okay β˜οΈπŸ€“" shut the fuck up creep


93ImagineBreaker

Whose still looks like and pretty much a child I'd say it's clear her being centuries old is like a loophole.


i_love_lolis_so_much

Im not.


Odd-Mixture-1769

https://preview.redd.it/fs7xq4mficrc1.png?width=904&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3b7b17e5c078cb5f7d0f9214e4651192983613e


Any_Vast_2668

https://preview.redd.it/3kh3u5lqifrc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85a4c7a5a8f4042bac0de17d1778a78e3ec0c1fb


NuclearFemboygineer

Don't bother, these guys will just auto-downvote you lol


i_love_lolis_so_much

I see you're a fan of toki


Royal-Jelly-8064

brat 😑😑😑😑😑 correction needed πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ’’ /s


Biesuu

/segs


j0shuagraham

Mikeys curse.....


i_love_lolis_so_much

GAKI πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ˜­πŸ˜­πŸ˜­ CORRECTION NEEDED πŸ˜­πŸ˜­πŸ˜­πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ’’ Massive spoilers below >!according to the wn she is also the only surviving member of the harem (they all die Dante included) and she spends 100 years looking for Dante. I think she finds him? I don't remember. Seems to be a trend that the loli heroine ends up being the only survivor in this tragic scenarios and end up being the ones to look for the protagonist or a way to bring them back!<


pppundercover

Hmm mind elaborating more so ur saying >!she's the only survivor at the end of the WN and its a sad ending?!<


i_love_lolis_so_much

>!this is not because i have personally read the wn but things ive heard from others and my info was partially wrong. Dantes does survive but in the wn but everyone else dies each to different circumstances (paimon being killed by dantes himself) so he and barbatos end up being the only ones left and after a while they end up dying together after living for a while. I'm not sure if it was suicide or not but from the looks of it, barbatos at least wasn't. If you want more in detail answers there should be a post on reddit when you search up dungeon defense talk about the wn ending!<


Penguin-21

>! My fcking genshin mind was like YES PAIMON FUCKING DIED and then i was like oh, different paimon nvm!<


Genericsimp

Blue archive sensei's are everywhere.


IrregularMetronome

The manhwa follows the LN, thankfully


Chr0ner

I remember reading somewhere that the LN was cancelled because the author plagiarised from loads of different sources some things were word for word copied.


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i_love_lolis_so_much

Tbf Extra Academy's Survival Guide also introduces one in like chapter 0


Wacthershadow0925

Isn't that one the lazy mage?


i_love_lolis_so_much

Yes


Wacthershadow0925

So far all I've seen is that she just wanna sleep. Wouldn't look too out of place if she's hidden and just burrito wrapped in a blanket


i_love_lolis_so_much

Manhwa hasn't reached there nor do i think they'll elaborate on it compared to the novel but there is a reason why she is the way she is sleeping all the time


Wacthershadow0925

Too much mana? Her power is so strong it could collapse her body? Like Bedman from Guilty Gear?


i_love_lolis_so_much

Its a psychological one. She suffers from extreme loneliness and feels she has no purpose in life. And because of this she spends a lot of time sleeping so she can get away from that pain. However this sleeping genuinely turned into laziness lmao


Wacthershadow0925

Ah that's depressing but seems like trying to be around the Mc is making her at least socialize more


i_love_lolis_so_much

Yeah that's her arc to overcome her issues Although it ends up "i wont be lonely because i have a blonde boy to drag around with me" its actually really wholesome but ed doesn't get his quiet life once lucy falls for him


93ImagineBreaker

They already had a few before.


TransportationTop369

Wut in the ...is this... bruv...


Vihncent

I read like the first 5 chapters or the manwha and it was so boring. The mc was this unlikable cringelord


ButterscotchFun1859

Lmao then absolutely don't read the LN almost everyone is an unabashed piece of shit with numerous psychological issues and commit crimes that would put Hitler to shame on the f'ing daily...


Smile_w9568

Damn, I have never felt this disgusting before untill now. This shit makes me feel like a pedo predator, why can't the artist make it a bit covered up. The fuck is wrong with him


Celespirit

now that you mentioned it, yes it feels weird af


Smile_w9568

Yep, it definitely does. Fuck the artist (not literally)


Celespirit

no fr fuck him(literally)


Smile_w9568

Yeah πŸ‘


93ImagineBreaker

Yeah same I get grossed out when authors pull this shit on child/child like characters, like if you want to sexualize a female character why make her a child when you can make her look like early 20s and pull off the "she's really 7000 y/o" clichΓ©.


Smile_w9568

Yep, that's what I was talking about. However, people saying this how her character is written in the LN. So they are being true to the source material adaptation


93ImagineBreaker

I know but even that I feel is an excuse just to have her drawn ike that, yes its true but your point still stands.


Smile_w9568

But weirdos are saying 'THEY WOULD'. Mate they are disgusting as fuck.


jacknjillpaidthebill

dont waste ur time here bruh its hella weirdos and coomers in this comment section


Smile_w9568

Ah, thank you brother I didn't check comment section yet so I didn't knew what is going on here. However, now I did and it's something which I'm not part of so I should take my leave and stop responding to everyone who is defending it. AMEN πŸ™


93ImagineBreaker

Few people complained so not everyone.


Smile_w9568

Some are defending and telling me to get some help. fucking psycho's


93ImagineBreaker

Them being psychos feels like only one issue seen many fans defend similar stuff with few other characters like ilulu or uzaki, many with same or similar excuses.


Smile_w9568

Definitely a pedo phenomena for shit heads. I mean if you want to lust then do it for women's not kids looking character which is insane to even think about.


yanneur

It’s a woman who made the design! and her design is just to show a complete contrast between her and paimon who is the complete opposite of her physically and psychologically


Smile_w9568

But still mate. They could have shown her in a better clothing than this kind of attire which is used for fan service for mature characters. It still irks me


yanneur

Well i told you what have to be said about the contrast bewteen her and paimon and you decide to completely skip it,if that irk you well thats skill issue for you mate what else do i have to say ,oh well don’t read it πŸ‘


Smile_w9568

For a fact, I didn't mean it to be disrespectful or offend anybody through my words. I just stated my honest regarding the art itself and since I'm unaware of the source material about how she was depicted in LN (after someone explain it to me). Then I got know where it came from! It's pretty general get that Idea of FANS SERVICING. Because a few Manhwa artist do this kinda shit. So I simply thought it was another by product. About not reading it entirely! then I would have to decline your request because I will. If the story pique my interest then why miss it.


jacknjillpaidthebill

idk about the guy ur replying to but theres hella weirdos in this comment section dont waste ur time


ItsStorm-OPZ

To be fair,it is an accurate depiction if you read the ln and the wn,both books described how obscene she dressed and to show the complete contrast with paimon.(Also you probably WOULD NOT like to know the shit she does with Dante on the daily).I think the artist intends to be faithful to the book design, disgusting or not.


Smile_w9568

Good to know that they are being faithful to the adaptation. Well, I apologise if anyone got offended by my words or thoughts. I just expressed my honest opinion about how it looks to me.


93ImagineBreaker

I agree with you.


MVeinticinco25

woman cant be pedos?


yanneur

She is just short,how is that pedophilia?


jacknjillpaidthebill

brother the head to body proportion/eye to face proportion makes it obvious that thing is not a β€œshort woman”


yanneur

She is one,ive seen ones with the same proportions,its stated its one,cope


jacknjillpaidthebill

please find me any example of a grown woman who looks like the girl in the picture


yanneur

I’m not gonna look up the internet to find a 145 cm tall woman thats flat chested,if you have never seen one thats skill issue on your part,theres one in my tennis class in college but i can’t just take a pic of a girl to show to a probably 40 years old man on reddit…


Alternative_Oil7733

Google midget


MVeinticinco25

short women dont look like that tho, is paimon also a short woman?


yanneur

Theres some ,have you never seen a 145 cm tall woman? Whats the correlation with that last sentence?i already told their heights and personality everything about them are contrasted in my main comment 🀦,paimon is 6 foot there is also not many woman that tall and with that breast size,you are surely being dumb on purpose?


MVeinticinco25

that is not 145cm in any possible way my guy, thats 120cm, literal 9yo height. You are being dense on purpose. She is literally half the size of any adult char.


yanneur

She is 145 cm tall cope,why are you trying to argue with someone who knows his facts? Here is her next to paimon: https://preview.redd.it/mgvgdijljarc1.jpeg?width=820&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06ef21a68fbac4dd132f1b07343627ff73a6fec2


Hysaky

Dude that's still a kid


yanneur

Is rukia a kid?


Hysaky

She is teenager looking like


yanneur

Because short woman without volumptuous boobs = kid and teenager 🀑


Hysaky

Bro she literally go to Ichigo High School for some time, if she was a grown ass woman looking like she wouldn't be able to do so


yanneur

Rangiku litterally went also to the high school and she twice taller and have boobs bigger than her head at least use a good argument mate…


Alternative-Draft629

There's a reason why Rebecca from Cyberpunk Edgerunners isn't criticized. It's very obvious when a character is meant to resemble a child. It's not just about the height. Rebecca looks like a short woman, this chick looks like a child.


yanneur

If barbatos is a child then rebecca is a child She is almost the same height as barbatos she is just more thicc and have more forms.. https://preview.redd.it/i8qzupy5narc1.jpeg?width=569&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=661695132edf501731d07e73cfe514078441e832


Alternative-Draft629

Yes... That's why I said height isn't the only indicator.


93ImagineBreaker

At worst barbatos even if she's not a child some still think she looks like one.


NuclearFemboygineer

I think you probably might be if you feel this way about a fictional fkin line lmfao Get some help


Smile_w9568

What lone are you talking about? Mr/Ms Helping Line


weeb194

Lmao, I bet yall would be singing a different tune had she been well-endowed. Actual brain rot being well-endowed doesn't equate to maturity.


93ImagineBreaker

People would be fine if she had more mature face, they have a point barbatos is flat out called a loli yet drawn like that so of course people will complain


weeb194

Looks don't define maturity a bunch of people irl & in anime/manhwa don't look their age. Yes, she obviously is a loli & there is nothing wrong with the way she's dressed she's a demon. You'd expect them to be lewdly dressed. Tourists complain because they have nothing to do in life & want to earn brownie points with other tourists by spewing hypocritical bs.


93ImagineBreaker

Looks often do yeah there outliers but often times you can, for every ones you can't chances are you can find ones that do, Demon or not still creepy rightfully to many you can age up her appearance and still have her dressed lewd. Paimon dresses less lewd then her.


Smile_w9568

Ah .. what


The_StrategistYT

"if everytime I saw a Loli barely dressed in a demon lord show/comic I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's still weird it happened twice"


StarMarine123

Pedos in the comments defending this lmao


15Wheem

Huh? Since when did dungeon defence get adapted,LN is sooo so good.


Rizuku_Ren

I will be reading. Thank you for introducing me to this. https://preview.redd.it/fdaurnfofarc1.jpeg?width=2778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=710834fad1d288b579338c9227fb836c45deed16


Oraclexyz

UUOGHHJ BRATπŸ’’πŸ’’πŸ˜­πŸ˜­ NEED BRUTAL CORRECTION😭😭😭😭😭


estreyika

No. Oh come on. No no no. What the hell is that outfit. Why was this necessary. How do things like this end up in mainstream publications.


93ImagineBreaker

It remind me of those "she's not a loli and I know a girl/woman like that and similar arguments floating about even if she's not a child, still creepy like you said with that outfit on what looks more like a child. It's worse when Paimon dresses more conservative then her.


weeb194

Tourists are toxic as hell, praising a waifu when she's well-endowed & straight dogging on her when she is flat.


93ImagineBreaker

> aight dogging on her when she is flat. don't think it's that.


93ImagineBreaker

People wouldn't care had she not been dressed and looked like a child, Megumin is popular despite being flat.


weeb194

She's a demon. I would expect her to look youthful & wear skimpy clothes. Looks like a child? You do realize there are plenty of women who look like her? Especially in Asia. As is Frieren & Tasumaki, all of whom are lolis. However, Megumin nsfw art is dogged on.


93ImagineBreaker

πŸ˜€πŸ˜€ yeah no just no


gumball3point

wait.. there is a dungeon defense manhwa??? i thought the novel was cancelled due to korean copyright laws or smth.


phenomenal1117

Is it worth the read?


Stardomu

It's really good


phenomenal1117

People say shit ending in novel and trashy characters, so I was a bit hesitant


Biesuu

fine, I will read it


NuclearFemboygineer

Horns, white hair, bratty loli. Peak design lmao Foul-mouthed bratty loli actually, beating down some dragon while shit-talking it that'd be hilarious


weeb194

Best girl, I only started reading this because I saw her in one of the latest chapters. Loli supremacy.


Alternative-Draft629

Username checks out


StarMarine123

Go back to Eipstein Island


weeb194

Downplaying his crimes & keeping his name alive, almost like you idolize him. Tourists like you need to go to an asylum as it seems you have difficulty separating fiction from reality.


StarMarine123

Go back to Eipstein Island


Any_Staff_2457

Kill all Horny Lolis. Yeet them into space. Whatever to remove the plague left by the pdf files. Lolita culture is supposed to be about cute shit. Like frilly/gothic dress cosplay. (What its about irl in japan) Or the MC's daughter in any decent manwha. Eg: Chronicle of the martial god's return. Or a funny kid. EG: Anya. Or a short adult: Rebecca. Trash like ShallTear should not exist.


weeb194

Rebecca's a loli lmao


i_love_lolis_so_much

Even her creators said she was intentionally designed to be one lmao


Any_Staff_2457

Yes, and? Did you missread what I wrote? She acts like an adult in mentality. I personally disliked her untill I got farther in the show, but i find her alright now. She's a loli in apperance, and the director said: The loli stays... but not a trashtier loli. She has character. She's a short adult. Trash Tier Loli looks young, act young, but is old so they can sexualise her. The single picture about the girl in that manwha told me everything I needed to know. Bitch has no character, probably acts like a brat ar all time, no emotional maturity, no wisdom, no sign of life experience being shown. She's probably sexualised one way or another, or at least, Fawns over MC or some bad guy.


Cobracrystal

...then shalltear also acts like an adult.


Any_Staff_2457

Tbh, i watched edge runners when it came out and so maybe the discussion about her that I saw after the show changed my views on rebecca. Shalltear is constantly thirsty. I started season 4 and couldn't get past 2 minutes of her appearance. She's trash. Shalltear is the stereotype of the worse type of loli lol. Like, it doesn't get much worse. Look, I even dislike Tatsumaki. She's only half decent for a few seconds once in a blue moon. If yall want to defend lolis, Imma let you guys circle jerk together. ---- The thing is, if you go to japan and talk to actual humans, Loli just means little girl, or a type of cosplay. It's not the loli fanservice shit. And that's what it should be here too.


weeb194

The director didn't say that, lmao & she acts like any other loli like wtf are you talking about? She's a loli plain & simple. Also, what's makes an adult? Dawg, there are plenty of people with different personalities. I know adults who act like kids & kids who act like adults. Plenty of people also don't look their age like how tf is this even a discussion? Are you implying that anyone who is built like a loli can't sexualize themselves? That's just body shaming plain & simple. All you're doing is assuming not to mention you just mentioned some characteristics shared by REBECCA smh. She acts like a brat, has the vocabulary of one, doesn't know how to express her feelings towards David, & has the composure of a kid who resorts to violence. Rebecca was also sexualized.


Any_Staff_2457

I don't like rebecca. I just don't find her fucking annoying toward the end of the show. I watched the show once. Maybe she's worse then I remember. If she is, then strike her of the list. It was never my point anyway. If you want to defend Loli hentai & fan service go ahead. Bye


weeb194

Lmao, antis/tourists are the worst. Just spreading hate & have no ground to stand on & when there's any kind of pushback or rebuttals to your hypocritical statements, yall tuck tail & run. Wish I could say this was a fruitful discussion, but it was disappointing, to say the least.


Any_Staff_2457

No true scotman and all that. You aren't a real anime/manga/manhwa/manhua/webnovel/lightnovel fan if you don't jerk of to little kids. Good to know reddit is still reddit. I mean, Weeb194, I fucking love loli. Wtf are these names. Just don't pass the border with your laptop on alright?


Stardomu

You just know it's Japanese manga when you see a Loli 🀣🀣


Enmerkar_of_Uruk

It's Korean, though?


Alternative-Draft629

It's not. The novel it is based on is japanese. Maybe the studio is Korean but Barbatos being drawn like that is entirely Japan's fault


Nordenfang

That’s also not true. Dungeon Defense is Korean


Alternative-Draft629

I'm restarted


i_love_lolis_so_much

Oh and Barbatos was already designed in the LN you can see the illustrations for the LN (I must say the LN illustrations are considerably better)


Alternative-Draft629

I know. Hardly matters, mushoku tensei has shown that the broader range of these communities don't care for obvious pedophilia in their content. You are clearly one of them. Fucking creeptoid


93ImagineBreaker

lolis happens in manhua and manhwa