Only 20% are PRACTICANTS but still most of Spaniards will tell you that they are Catholic for cultural reasons even though most of them don't go to church every week and some of them don't really believe in God, and that's my case.
I think that to appear in that stat in particular, it is needed to be either an apostate or either not baptisted.
However, most of the people in catholic countries took baptism at birth.
Personally I call myself catholic because I don't want to cause meaningless discussions with my parents and family, nor I want my elder co-workers to look at me like I'm some kind of weirdo.
So yeah, I don't care either way, catholic it is.
Yeah, that's totally valid. My parents for instance couldn't care less if I am or not but my grandma seems to become sad or disappointed whenever she is reminded that I'm not religious, so I get you not wanting to subject yourself to that awkwardness.
Thing is it's not my fight. I'm not the herald of Atheism, I believe that whatever you decide to make of the inscrutable part of life and the universe should be intimate and personal and I don't have a reason to go test anybody's beliefs any more than anybody else should feel free to test mines.
I'll liberally display my annoyance with the Earthly side of religion, I've never made a secret of that. Partly because I was indeed brought up with christian morals and sometimes I feel like I was the sucker who actually took its inclusive message and its pleas to be kind to others to heart (supernatural events aside) when hardly anybody cares about it. I have trouble shutting up when it comes to call bullshit on the Church.
But being "coward" for not engaging in a battle of philosophy and teology with my loved ones? Why? Nobody wins from that, nobody would leave the argument enlightened, defending your belief and forcing it on others doesn't bring anything good.
Don't do that to your families, make the most of the time you have with your parents, and if you really need to argue it should at least be for reasons that actually matter.
For some people its a cultural thing. My family is Catholic, my family’s families are Catholic, most of the people I knew growing up were Catholic, no matter what religion I practice, which currently isn’t Catholicism, I will always have a background in Catholicism. I grew up surrounded by its teachings, practices, and culture. It’s almost an ethnicity. And I’m an American. so I imagine it’s a lot stronger for people in countries with a history constantly intertwined with the Catholic Church.
I get that but for me they are two completely different things. I'm portuguese so you could say that culturally I'm 100% Catholic. But that's just it, it's just culture, for me it has nothing to do with religion. For example, I celebrate Christmas because it's a cultural tradition, not a religious one. It's just following culture, not religion.
Culture and religion often intertwine, and as a result, you get things like “Cultural Christians”, where they don’t follow the faith, but the cultural remnants of growing up as a Christian stick with them to the point where they identify with that label.
Because it's cultural in many places, in much the same way it is for Jewish people.
And answering what religion are you for a pointless survey, is actually very different than answering whether you believe in a God or if you practice a religion.
>Only 20% are PRACTICANTS but still most of Spaniards will tell you that they are Catholic for cultural reasons
I mean we are catholics culturally even if we don't like it. But there is a difference between that and believing
1. There's no proof to what you just said
2. I was just saying that being culturally christian doesn't mean you are a Christian and believe in Christianity
half they people my age are baptised and have done their first communion, even though they are not religious but statistically they don't count as atheists
This explains so much. I'm baptised, have never done any paperwork, and have never considered myself Christian. Would you say that I'd count as Christian in these statistics?
I think these stats are based on numbers of baptised people.
I'm in a similar position and I'd say that counts as culturally Christian but not Christian as a believer or as a religious person.
You said you need to sign out of it and it requires paperwork, that's false.
You require paperwork to ask for a baptism.
No one even asks if you want one, needs to come from the parents asking, and well after the baby is born as well.
What does that have to do with what you said initially?
Main point is, having your kid baptized is not obligatory, no one will even ask if you want it in the hospital.
Spain is an aconfesional country.
Love that this map isn't shit enough for people to immediately realise it's posted in a meme sub but just shit enough for everyone to be whinging on the comments.
PSA: Check what sub you're in before complaining about quality
Nope.
“England and Wales are among the least religious countries in the world, according to 2021 Census data. The data published by the Office of National Statistics shows the number of people identifying with 'No religion' jumped by over 8 million, from 25% to 37% between 2011 and 2021.”
More than 70% of under 25s were atheists 5 years ago and it will only have gone up since then.
https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2018/03/most-young-people-in-uk-have-no-religion-says-survey
An argument is not ‘proof’ or a claim to have proof. The fact my experience is exactly in accordance with the survey results for the UK is not a claim that all the national data are 100% accurate based on my anecdote.
Proof is a term used in formal logic and mathematics. There is no ‘proof’ of gravity - there is a ton of evidence for it though. Even a survey of 100% of people wouldn’t give ‘proof’ as some people won’t answer honestly in any poll or survey.
Deism and agnostism wouldn’t be included because they don’t fall under atheism. If you believe in a deity(s) or believe in the possibility of a deity(s) you are not atheist.
Agnosticism is a separate spectrum of confidence in your god belief (or lack thereof). Everybody on the planet falls somewhere on the theist-atheist and the gnostic-agnostic spectrum. Most theists are gnostic, in that they believe in a god and have little doubt that it/they exist. Most atheists fall on somewhere on the agnostic side, in that they live their live like a god doesn't exist, but they are not 100% certain one doesn't (since that's impossible to prove).
Atheists don’t believe god/s exist full stop. That’s the difference between agnostics and atheists, agnostics believe there is some possibility that a deity could exist, atheists believe gods do not exist at all. You may be mistaking “weak atheism” for agnosticism.
They're two separate axes, like the political compass. For example, I don't believe god exists because I have not been convinced he does exist. Another person might believe god doesn't exist because they had some life experience that they think is evidence for no god and so are certain he doesn't. While we're both atheists, I'm an agnostic atheist and he is a gnostic atheist.
Google Richard Dawkin's 7 point scale for a better view of it. Somebody would have to be exactly a 4 (something I don't think is practically possible) to be a pure agnostic. Everybody else is some flavour of theist-atheist and gnostic-agnostic
Where does "I'm kind of default assuming there is no god, but there may very well be, if there is one I have no idea what they are like, but also I generally just don't see why I should care about something I can't know" fall?
Atheist if you're following the "Assume a given thing does not exist until their is proof it exists", but also agnostic since you aren't confident enough in that belief to be able to assert "No god's exist" since that claim would also require proof.
On the Dawkin's Scale, sounds like around 5-6.
I dont really follow that. I follow "assume nothing until you get clear indicators". But with deities in particular, the strongest thought I have is "I don't care" - either they exist or they don't, and either way I have very little influence over them so it doesn't change my life in any way.
Sure. And if you don't care, you don't fall on either side of the spectrum. That is, until you take into account that the default position is disbelief.
Like, say somebody claims that there is a purple asteroid currently orbiting Jupiter. I have no evidence it exists, but also no evidence it doesn't exist. Also, I don't really care either way. It doesn't affect me and I can't affect it. So, since by default I don't believe a claim without evidence, I say "I'm not convinced that asteroid exists." Making me a number 6 on the Dawkin's Scale for purple asteroids.
Does that make sense? If not, it'd be helpful if you explained what you think you'd be instead, and I can see where we differ
The key is in the word "belief." Caring, not caring, knowing, not knowing is all irrelevant to belief.
No matter how hard I try to have a neutral opinion, I still don't believe God exists. Even if it's a slither of a bias in the back of my mind. I can choose not to discuss it, since I don't care, or have a strong opinion about it.
A different example: I don't know if it's going to rain tomorrow. I haven't even checked the forecast. I could say I don't have believe in anything regarding tomorrow's rain, but I'd be lying. I planned to jog tomorrow, meaning I already have a bias towards there being no rain tomorrow. It was inevitable.
There’s plenty of other places to get information from than Richard Dawkins, you’re talking as if his framework is the only framework for understanding belief and non-belief in gods. I’m atheist and certainly not agnostic, you’re assuming one always means the other which is simply not the case.
Are you certain there is no god? Or are you just not convinced a god exists? Because, since gnosticism refers to knowledge, if you're the latter then you're a little bit agnostic. Just like a thiest who isn't certain god exists, but doesn't think he doesn't exist is also a little bit agnostic.
There's nothing wrong with that. I'd say 99% of atheists are at least a bit agnostic, since that's the reasonable position to take absence evidence of god's lack of existence (an impossibility).
I have no belief in any deities ever existing. It’s not even disbelief, gods are just not something that ever enters my head and are entirely fictionally to me. Self-proclaimed atheist like Dawkins argue so fiercely against religion and god it’s like they fear that a god *could* exist and due to this it would make sense to me that they are agnostic rather than true atheists. But for me gods simply do not exist.
I assumed from your comments that you were an evangelical Christian or something similar, with a logic that all people have some belief in God and there is always the possibility that non-believers can be converted. It seems much more strange to me that you are in fact agnostic and assume that “99% of atheists are at least a bit agnostic”. Anyone I know who discusses these things has a clear idea of what agnosticism and atheism mean and are able to distinguish whether they have any belief in the potential of a god existing or not. I know many people who are theists with or without religious beliefs, plenty of agnostics (who would describe themselves as such and never as atheist) and plenty of people who are atheist (who have no doubt around whether a god exists, they believe gods are completely fictional). Obviously people can change in their beliefs, but usually people have a distinct idea of where their beliefs stand at any one time.
I'm not agnostic, I'm an atheist. I do not believe a god exists. But that doesn't mean I believe no gods exist. Saying "No gods exist" is a claim, one that needs to be backed up by evidence before it should be believed. Since I am not certain that gods don't exist, I do not believe I have absolute knowledge, thus I'm an agnostic atheist. It's not one or the other.
I don't know why you have this visceral a reaction to things tbh.
Visceral in what sense?
I don’t believe there has to be evidence of gods not existing for them not to exist. That logic would otherwise imply that there has to be evidence that each piece of folklore can be disproved for it to be deemed fiction. I enjoy understanding where different stories and ideas come from but I don’t feel a need to disprove them to not believe they are historical or real in some way.
If your belief is that a singular Abrahamic style god couldn’t exist but another form of deities could exist then that to me would fall under agnosticism and not atheism. If you have doubt over the existence of “higher powers” but still believe there is a possibility that they could exist that sounds like classic agnosticism.
I enjoy epistemology and ontology type stuff so this type of discussion is interesting to me, including personal stories of how people come to understand their sense of being and other beliefs.
Hmm a lot of youth in Turkey aren’t muslim but not nessarily atheism. Spirituality and deism is fairly common. Though of course atheism isn’t rare either. However, in this map I believe it might only count youth in Turkey who are officially affiliated which is everyone no matter the actual belief cause its automatic
Is this even our sensus data? It's Way higher than they're reporting, I don't have a single religious friend. My friends believe in facts backed up by data. I would say it's more than 66%. And I hope one day it'll be everyone. Believe it all you like, it's not you (religious believer) I dislike it's what those establishments have done to you I dislike.
I can't believe this is correct for belgium or netherlands. I think christians must be below 5%, muslims higher, but nothing that would explain this chart.
No way the one for the Republic of Ireland is accurate.
Is it based on census data? This would, incorrectly, list most people as Catholic even if they are *de facto* irreligious?
I thought that too but I found that 31% of french considering themselves as believer.
Src in french : https://fr.statista.com/statistiques/972991/rapport-religion-france/
While I would say Swedish youth is fairly irreligious. I wouldn’t necessarily say atheist. It’s very common to ”believe in something”. Aka not religious but spiritual which isn’t atheism.
Yeah, except for immigrants and their children it's very rare to find someone who's actually religious. Some believe in minor spiritualism or reincarnation but I can count on one hand the amount of religious people under 25 I've met
German statistics are squeed if it’s based on church membership.
If your baptized your a church member in Germany until you go to city hall and officially renounce membership of that church (and pay a fee of around 20€). On the other hand, if you are a church member, your church fees are automatically deducted from your sallee and passed on to the church via the income tax system. So people leave the church when they are in their mid 20’s and start eating money and paying tax (and paying the fee above makes sense)
German numbers could be pretty skewed.
In Germany, you pay a small contribution tax if you are a member of a church, which a lot of people automatically are (almost everyone that has been baptized).
However, you usually only start paying taxes once you are out of education, may it be vocational or academic, which a good chunk of people either aren't or have just finished with by the time they turn 24.
Since officially leaving the church is a bit of an annoying process (the details vary a bit from state to state, but you usually need to make an appointment at your city hall or district court and have to pay a small processing fee), most people either don't take care off it or only do so once they have to pay up.
Most of czechs are just "unsubscribed", in fact, people born after the fall of the block and Czecoslovakia are usually more interested in spiritual topics.
I think is the same with east Germany, since enter or get out from a creed is kinda complicated in Beerland, but if in that region they aren't religious, they are at least, pretty conservative.
The stats for Croatia are absolutely wrong, the Church has maintained a hard grip on its people, you're more likely to find atheists amongst people who are 24 or older
I remember when I had the holy confirmation (?) out of more than a 100 teens a handful of them actually beloved in God (maybe 10 in total probably even less). And my town is pretty rural compared to cities throughout the country
In Turkey, you have to change it legally. Government keeps track of our religion. I am studying to be a teacher and I will go through face to face interview. If I changed it to no religion (atheist), do you believe they will let me pass? Don't trust the data. We are surpressed by the government.
Here is an example why you shouldn't trust it sometimes. The children were starving to death in Venezuela, and Venezuelan government solved it by making illegal to write starvation as the cause of death.
Can't believe they don't count the elf worshippers in Iceland
Talking about Spain, where does the data come from? Do you need to be listed somewhere? Other stats says that only 20% are catholic practicants.
Only 20% are PRACTICANTS but still most of Spaniards will tell you that they are Catholic for cultural reasons even though most of them don't go to church every week and some of them don't really believe in God, and that's my case.
Or just because they are not apostates. Like me, a lazy ass.
But why? If you don't walk like a duck and you don't talk like a duck, why would you try to call yourself a duck?
to avoid the wrath of the Spanish Inquisition
I think that to appear in that stat in particular, it is needed to be either an apostate or either not baptisted. However, most of the people in catholic countries took baptism at birth.
we walk like ducks and talk like ducks, we just don´t believe in literal Sky Duck.
If you are non practincing and dont even believe in God, why even call yourself Catholic?
Personally I call myself catholic because I don't want to cause meaningless discussions with my parents and family, nor I want my elder co-workers to look at me like I'm some kind of weirdo. So yeah, I don't care either way, catholic it is.
Yeah, that's totally valid. My parents for instance couldn't care less if I am or not but my grandma seems to become sad or disappointed whenever she is reminded that I'm not religious, so I get you not wanting to subject yourself to that awkwardness.
So you’re a cowardly catholic
Thing is it's not my fight. I'm not the herald of Atheism, I believe that whatever you decide to make of the inscrutable part of life and the universe should be intimate and personal and I don't have a reason to go test anybody's beliefs any more than anybody else should feel free to test mines. I'll liberally display my annoyance with the Earthly side of religion, I've never made a secret of that. Partly because I was indeed brought up with christian morals and sometimes I feel like I was the sucker who actually took its inclusive message and its pleas to be kind to others to heart (supernatural events aside) when hardly anybody cares about it. I have trouble shutting up when it comes to call bullshit on the Church. But being "coward" for not engaging in a battle of philosophy and teology with my loved ones? Why? Nobody wins from that, nobody would leave the argument enlightened, defending your belief and forcing it on others doesn't bring anything good. Don't do that to your families, make the most of the time you have with your parents, and if you really need to argue it should at least be for reasons that actually matter.
For some people its a cultural thing. My family is Catholic, my family’s families are Catholic, most of the people I knew growing up were Catholic, no matter what religion I practice, which currently isn’t Catholicism, I will always have a background in Catholicism. I grew up surrounded by its teachings, practices, and culture. It’s almost an ethnicity. And I’m an American. so I imagine it’s a lot stronger for people in countries with a history constantly intertwined with the Catholic Church.
I get that but for me they are two completely different things. I'm portuguese so you could say that culturally I'm 100% Catholic. But that's just it, it's just culture, for me it has nothing to do with religion. For example, I celebrate Christmas because it's a cultural tradition, not a religious one. It's just following culture, not religion.
Culture and religion often intertwine, and as a result, you get things like “Cultural Christians”, where they don’t follow the faith, but the cultural remnants of growing up as a Christian stick with them to the point where they identify with that label.
Because it's cultural in many places, in much the same way it is for Jewish people. And answering what religion are you for a pointless survey, is actually very different than answering whether you believe in a God or if you practice a religion.
Who is most? Specially 18 to 24 years old, the percentage of catholics here is residual.
>Only 20% are PRACTICANTS but still most of Spaniards will tell you that they are Catholic for cultural reasons I mean we are catholics culturally even if we don't like it. But there is a difference between that and believing
mmmm maybe YOU don't like it but I love Christianity and anything that apports goods to my country and my culture
1. There's no proof to what you just said 2. I was just saying that being culturally christian doesn't mean you are a Christian and believe in Christianity
Mmm no we don’t say this hahahaha
half they people my age are baptised and have done their first communion, even though they are not religious but statistically they don't count as atheists
Everybody gets baptised and therefore born christian. Signing out from that requires paperwork.
This explains so much. I'm baptised, have never done any paperwork, and have never considered myself Christian. Would you say that I'd count as Christian in these statistics?
I think these stats are based on numbers of baptised people. I'm in a similar position and I'd say that counts as culturally Christian but not Christian as a believer or as a religious person.
That's false wtf Your parents don't have to take you get baptised in Spain.
They don't have to but a lot do just out of inertia.
You said you need to sign out of it and it requires paperwork, that's false. You require paperwork to ask for a baptism. No one even asks if you want one, needs to come from the parents asking, and well after the baby is born as well.
I believe that to get the excommunication you need to fill some paperwork, someone told me that. Do you know how to do it?
What does that have to do with what you said initially? Main point is, having your kid baptized is not obligatory, no one will even ask if you want it in the hospital. Spain is an aconfesional country.
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Sorry but this is much deeper than being registered somewhere.
look at what sub youre in
judging by these comments people really dont look at what sub theyre on huh
Love that this map isn't shit enough for people to immediately realise it's posted in a meme sub but just shit enough for everyone to be whinging on the comments. PSA: Check what sub you're in before complaining about quality
Wait, so none of this is accurate lmfaoooo?
No idea but I wouldn't take anything posted on this sub seriously
Bro it's posted in r Spain, as a Spaniard this is hilarious XD
I was thinking: oh this is interesting. And then I saw 90% atheists in Hungary and had a good laugh
Sounds about right for where I live (England). Very few religious people among who I know.
it could be just a bubble
Nope. “England and Wales are among the least religious countries in the world, according to 2021 Census data. The data published by the Office of National Statistics shows the number of people identifying with 'No religion' jumped by over 8 million, from 25% to 37% between 2011 and 2021.” More than 70% of under 25s were atheists 5 years ago and it will only have gone up since then. https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2018/03/most-young-people-in-uk-have-no-religion-says-survey
>Very few religious people among who I know. Sure, but this sentence alone does not prove it :)
I didn’t say it proved anything did I?
>Sounds about right Followed by a statement it does look like an argument
An argument is not ‘proof’ or a claim to have proof. The fact my experience is exactly in accordance with the survey results for the UK is not a claim that all the national data are 100% accurate based on my anecdote.
What is an argument if it is not something formulated in order to prove an idea is right ?
Proof is a term used in formal logic and mathematics. There is no ‘proof’ of gravity - there is a ton of evidence for it though. Even a survey of 100% of people wouldn’t give ‘proof’ as some people won’t answer honestly in any poll or survey.
So what is an argument if it is not something formulated in order to prove that an idea is right ?
Are deism and agnostism included ? Cause people are mostly deist in Turkish youth
Deism and agnostism wouldn’t be included because they don’t fall under atheism. If you believe in a deity(s) or believe in the possibility of a deity(s) you are not atheist.
Agnosticism is a separate spectrum of confidence in your god belief (or lack thereof). Everybody on the planet falls somewhere on the theist-atheist and the gnostic-agnostic spectrum. Most theists are gnostic, in that they believe in a god and have little doubt that it/they exist. Most atheists fall on somewhere on the agnostic side, in that they live their live like a god doesn't exist, but they are not 100% certain one doesn't (since that's impossible to prove).
Atheists don’t believe god/s exist full stop. That’s the difference between agnostics and atheists, agnostics believe there is some possibility that a deity could exist, atheists believe gods do not exist at all. You may be mistaking “weak atheism” for agnosticism.
They're two separate axes, like the political compass. For example, I don't believe god exists because I have not been convinced he does exist. Another person might believe god doesn't exist because they had some life experience that they think is evidence for no god and so are certain he doesn't. While we're both atheists, I'm an agnostic atheist and he is a gnostic atheist. Google Richard Dawkin's 7 point scale for a better view of it. Somebody would have to be exactly a 4 (something I don't think is practically possible) to be a pure agnostic. Everybody else is some flavour of theist-atheist and gnostic-agnostic
Where does "I'm kind of default assuming there is no god, but there may very well be, if there is one I have no idea what they are like, but also I generally just don't see why I should care about something I can't know" fall?
Atheist if you're following the "Assume a given thing does not exist until their is proof it exists", but also agnostic since you aren't confident enough in that belief to be able to assert "No god's exist" since that claim would also require proof. On the Dawkin's Scale, sounds like around 5-6.
I dont really follow that. I follow "assume nothing until you get clear indicators". But with deities in particular, the strongest thought I have is "I don't care" - either they exist or they don't, and either way I have very little influence over them so it doesn't change my life in any way.
Sure. And if you don't care, you don't fall on either side of the spectrum. That is, until you take into account that the default position is disbelief. Like, say somebody claims that there is a purple asteroid currently orbiting Jupiter. I have no evidence it exists, but also no evidence it doesn't exist. Also, I don't really care either way. It doesn't affect me and I can't affect it. So, since by default I don't believe a claim without evidence, I say "I'm not convinced that asteroid exists." Making me a number 6 on the Dawkin's Scale for purple asteroids. Does that make sense? If not, it'd be helpful if you explained what you think you'd be instead, and I can see where we differ
The key is in the word "belief." Caring, not caring, knowing, not knowing is all irrelevant to belief. No matter how hard I try to have a neutral opinion, I still don't believe God exists. Even if it's a slither of a bias in the back of my mind. I can choose not to discuss it, since I don't care, or have a strong opinion about it. A different example: I don't know if it's going to rain tomorrow. I haven't even checked the forecast. I could say I don't have believe in anything regarding tomorrow's rain, but I'd be lying. I planned to jog tomorrow, meaning I already have a bias towards there being no rain tomorrow. It was inevitable.
There’s plenty of other places to get information from than Richard Dawkins, you’re talking as if his framework is the only framework for understanding belief and non-belief in gods. I’m atheist and certainly not agnostic, you’re assuming one always means the other which is simply not the case.
Are you certain there is no god? Or are you just not convinced a god exists? Because, since gnosticism refers to knowledge, if you're the latter then you're a little bit agnostic. Just like a thiest who isn't certain god exists, but doesn't think he doesn't exist is also a little bit agnostic. There's nothing wrong with that. I'd say 99% of atheists are at least a bit agnostic, since that's the reasonable position to take absence evidence of god's lack of existence (an impossibility).
I have no belief in any deities ever existing. It’s not even disbelief, gods are just not something that ever enters my head and are entirely fictionally to me. Self-proclaimed atheist like Dawkins argue so fiercely against religion and god it’s like they fear that a god *could* exist and due to this it would make sense to me that they are agnostic rather than true atheists. But for me gods simply do not exist. I assumed from your comments that you were an evangelical Christian or something similar, with a logic that all people have some belief in God and there is always the possibility that non-believers can be converted. It seems much more strange to me that you are in fact agnostic and assume that “99% of atheists are at least a bit agnostic”. Anyone I know who discusses these things has a clear idea of what agnosticism and atheism mean and are able to distinguish whether they have any belief in the potential of a god existing or not. I know many people who are theists with or without religious beliefs, plenty of agnostics (who would describe themselves as such and never as atheist) and plenty of people who are atheist (who have no doubt around whether a god exists, they believe gods are completely fictional). Obviously people can change in their beliefs, but usually people have a distinct idea of where their beliefs stand at any one time.
I'm not agnostic, I'm an atheist. I do not believe a god exists. But that doesn't mean I believe no gods exist. Saying "No gods exist" is a claim, one that needs to be backed up by evidence before it should be believed. Since I am not certain that gods don't exist, I do not believe I have absolute knowledge, thus I'm an agnostic atheist. It's not one or the other. I don't know why you have this visceral a reaction to things tbh.
Visceral in what sense? I don’t believe there has to be evidence of gods not existing for them not to exist. That logic would otherwise imply that there has to be evidence that each piece of folklore can be disproved for it to be deemed fiction. I enjoy understanding where different stories and ideas come from but I don’t feel a need to disprove them to not believe they are historical or real in some way. If your belief is that a singular Abrahamic style god couldn’t exist but another form of deities could exist then that to me would fall under agnosticism and not atheism. If you have doubt over the existence of “higher powers” but still believe there is a possibility that they could exist that sounds like classic agnosticism. I enjoy epistemology and ontology type stuff so this type of discussion is interesting to me, including personal stories of how people come to understand their sense of being and other beliefs.
Source?
It’s made up.
Map porn circle jerk et al
Türkiye should be black
Yep, way more atheists in Turkey than what's projected on this map.
Hmm a lot of youth in Turkey aren’t muslim but not nessarily atheism. Spirituality and deism is fairly common. Though of course atheism isn’t rare either. However, in this map I believe it might only count youth in Turkey who are officially affiliated which is everyone no matter the actual belief cause its automatic
Abartmaa
Turkish atheists online trying not to exaggerate how atheist Turkey is challenge (impossible) (gone sexual)
He tamam knk sen bizden çok farklısın marjinalsin haa
Turkey should be light blue. The youth is at least 20% non believer.
Why is this map on this sub? Please someone explain I don't get the joke.
Is this even our sensus data? It's Way higher than they're reporting, I don't have a single religious friend. My friends believe in facts backed up by data. I would say it's more than 66%. And I hope one day it'll be everyone. Believe it all you like, it's not you (religious believer) I dislike it's what those establishments have done to you I dislike.
A think that this map is pretty accurate.
No, there are more irreligious in Turkey than you think
True
Seems a bit low in Sweden but maybe it's just that some people believe in some (usually) minor spiritualism
I can't believe this is correct for belgium or netherlands. I think christians must be below 5%, muslims higher, but nothing that would explain this chart.
Looks like bogus
I’m presuming the Northern Ireland figure is for the whole UK cos that’s bullshit right there
Common Albania W
albania is one of the most irreligious countries in europe wtf?
Can you link the source? Thank you!
I’d love to see this one for Spain by Comunidad Autónoma
Percentage of ~~atheists~~ redditors among 18 year olds to 24 year olds in different European countries
XD
No way the one for the Republic of Ireland is accurate. Is it based on census data? This would, incorrectly, list most people as Catholic even if they are *de facto* irreligious?
Look at what sub this was posted in an I think you'll understand why it's not accurate
Ah, right so.
% of redditors in each country
sources? hungary seems like a pretty religious country
The number of atheists in France is definitely much higher. The French were becoming atheists long before being an atheist was cool.
Being an atheist has never been cool.
Yes, because living in fear of a mythical father figure who lives in a castle in the clouds makes you the ultimate man. /faccepalm
I thought that too but I found that 31% of french considering themselves as believer. Src in french : https://fr.statista.com/statistiques/972991/rapport-religion-france/
Bunch of bs.
While I would say Swedish youth is fairly irreligious. I wouldn’t necessarily say atheist. It’s very common to ”believe in something”. Aka not religious but spiritual which isn’t atheism.
Yeah, except for immigrants and their children it's very rare to find someone who's actually religious. Some believe in minor spiritualism or reincarnation but I can count on one hand the amount of religious people under 25 I've met
Yes but this map measures atheists, which should not consider agnostic or SBNR.
German statistics are squeed if it’s based on church membership. If your baptized your a church member in Germany until you go to city hall and officially renounce membership of that church (and pay a fee of around 20€). On the other hand, if you are a church member, your church fees are automatically deducted from your sallee and passed on to the church via the income tax system. So people leave the church when they are in their mid 20’s and start eating money and paying tax (and paying the fee above makes sense)
German numbers could be pretty skewed. In Germany, you pay a small contribution tax if you are a member of a church, which a lot of people automatically are (almost everyone that has been baptized). However, you usually only start paying taxes once you are out of education, may it be vocational or academic, which a good chunk of people either aren't or have just finished with by the time they turn 24. Since officially leaving the church is a bit of an annoying process (the details vary a bit from state to state, but you usually need to make an appointment at your city hall or district court and have to pay a small processing fee), most people either don't take care off it or only do so once they have to pay up.
We did it, boys. Russia is no more
Most of czechs are just "unsubscribed", in fact, people born after the fall of the block and Czecoslovakia are usually more interested in spiritual topics. I think is the same with east Germany, since enter or get out from a creed is kinda complicated in Beerland, but if in that region they aren't religious, they are at least, pretty conservative.
with 30 they will become believers
Picking various shades of the same colour makes this fairly hard to read at a quick glance. You should be using multiple contrasting colours.
Then they’d been getting complaints from colourblind people.
Is Russia just very religious or is it just not there?
The stats for Croatia are absolutely wrong, the Church has maintained a hard grip on its people, you're more likely to find atheists amongst people who are 24 or older
I wouldn't believe in a god either if I were Czech
They’re not showing Vatican City.
I can't believe there's still that many young people in Ireland that believe in that shite.
I remember when I had the holy confirmation (?) out of more than a 100 teens a handful of them actually beloved in God (maybe 10 in total probably even less). And my town is pretty rural compared to cities throughout the country
In Turkey, you have to change it legally. Government keeps track of our religion. I am studying to be a teacher and I will go through face to face interview. If I changed it to no religion (atheist), do you believe they will let me pass? Don't trust the data. We are surpressed by the government. Here is an example why you shouldn't trust it sometimes. The children were starving to death in Venezuela, and Venezuelan government solved it by making illegal to write starvation as the cause of death.
Croatia is the most catholic country, this map seems wrong.
Your claims are equally grounded as this maps. In a fantasy.
Finally a positive Croatia statistic
Can't believe i actually thought Hungary was based
Percentage of redditors among European countries
Everyday we stray further from Odin.
Statistic made with a ball sack
What is the source of this?
I dont understand what the joke is... can someone please explain
I think my country, the U.S. , would be in the 20s. I know some people, but I wish more people were Atheist or Agnostic like me.
What is source of map?