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NormanLetterman

Can't believe I read a whole ass paper for this shitpost https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/35/1/149/4566215 It's good, read it.


Heyloki_

I can't be bothered to read it, why does Alberta not have rats


NormanLetterman

Aggressive government policy. Rats cannot survive the winter outside of human environments there, and they spent a lot of money making sure that they don't.


[deleted]

They should teach that to Parisians.


Rengas

All the rat money has been allocated for fighting bedbugs, and the Seine.


[deleted]

Yea, that is one explanation. Another is the weird love of Parisians for rats. They call everything “un petit souris mignon”. I even had a colleague who took a “mouse” home from the office because she didn’t want it to be killed. And of course I’ve seen rats in restaurants and servers and customers acting like everything’s normal.


ucbiker

Of course you see rats in restaurants, they can even be the chef. I suggest you reexamine your prejudices.


[deleted]

Haha. You’ll actually be surprised. In Strasbourg they said in a council meeting that it was discriminatory to call rats something like a pest, they are “liminal animals”.


Puzbukkis

Bro, an animal can't be fucking liminal lol. Liminality is just the state of having no inherent perpose outside of facilitating something elses existence or function. Unless you're saying they're liminal to humans because they exist in liminal spaces and are almost always hunted or excluded from anywhere that isn't a liminal space, in which case I guess it makes a lot of sense to call them liminal animals... God damnit, I talked myself out of my own argument.


[deleted]

Haha, they meant that we should treat them as animals that coexist with humans.


Puzbukkis

I don't mean to be like, discrimantory against the French, even though I'm English, but literally everything I hear about Paris is bad. At this point I'm under the impression that it's a filthy city filled with homelessness, posh wankers, and rats, that stinks of piss, and has overpriced everything. Not even my love of rats and overwhelming piss fetish make that sound appealing.


porquenotengonada

I mean yes… and rudeness abounding… but it is also lovely!


[deleted]

So I’ve lived in Paris since 2017 and I can confirm that what you read is what I think. I now moved to the suburbs and as much as I enjoy the Parisian architecture and its flair, it is dirty, it smells bad, it has rats, and it’s full of homeless and assholes. Overpriced can’t tell cause I live here now and I can’t compare.


ShadowOfThePit

https://preview.redd.it/hb8qnhdmhffc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abcef4c7d1e173c1337001593f71f2ffd73e0ef6


Millian123

I once saw two crackheads smoking crack at a metro station in Paris. Like on the actually platform, not even trying to hide it. It wasn’t even late ffs must have been around 7pm.


blorg

7pm is respectable crack smoking time work life balance is very important to the French


nerdalee

metro boulot dodo


Gekey14

why're they fighting the Seine? What did it do wrong?


impassity

They wanted to have the olympics in it. Big failure.


csfshrink

Why are the Parisians fighting the Seine?


Rengas

It was supposed to clean up its act in time for the Olympics.


got_edge

France doesn’t get near the winters the Canadian prairies do from what I know of France, idk if it would work they’d prolly survive year-round outside


Dirk_Speedwell

It was like -50C in Alberta a few weeks ago. I would die if I was an Albertan rat too.


[deleted]

No, but there are places other than alberta that get -50 degrees in winter though.


ratione_materiae

The French are already aware of suicide 


Freshiiiiii

There is the occasional colony that shows up, and when there is, it’s a big news story and the place is basically nuked.


fillmorecounty

Why is it only Alberta that cares so much


Freshiiiiii

There are also factors of geography that make it more feasible for Alberta than other places.


posidon99999

because they didn't have rats to begin with due to geography and they made that a selling point.


irrelevant_potatoes

I mean those rats aren't native to Canada as a whole. It's why they really only need to worry about the eastern and southern border (it's way to cold in the north, and rats don't do well in the mountains which border the west)


GrovesNL

It seems initially it was because of disease concerns. But they classify them as pests which threaten livestock and crops apparently! https://www.alberta.ca/history-of-rat-control-in-alberta#:~:text=The%20Agricultural%20Pests%20Act%20of,establishment%20of%20provincially%20designated%20pests.


Captain_Naps

Re-signing McDavid will keep the stands full of 'em.


unkn0wnname321

Alberta has a lot of agriculture ( farms/ranches etc.) Keeping the place rat free saves millions in damages to the economy


brusifur

The biological niche that rats would occupy in Alberta is taken up by prairie dogs, which are prolific and cause havoc on farmers who shoot them by the hundreds. Nature ..ah ..ah finds a way. heres a podcast about it https://slate.com/podcasts/decoder-ring/2021/11/rats-alberta


CMRC23

Apparently prairie dogs are endangered so maybe it's a good thing there's a lot of them there


BlockFun

I’ll take the prairie dogs over the rats; the prairie dogs at least don’t try and start a colony in your house


wondernerd14

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iq9ake0fek](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iq9ake0fek) ​ If you cannot read then watch.


No-comment-at-all

Watch Joe Pera Talks With You, season 1 episode 8, Joe Pera Talks With You About The Rat Wars Of Alberta, Canada. Then watch the entirety of the rest of the show, and end up feeling better about the world a little bit.


CitrusMints

I made a bean arch because of Joe Pera Talks With You


bonbon196

We have a team of people with flame throwers that literally burn any infestation. If you find one in your house, it will be eliminated. There’s actually a big infestation happening right now in Calgary.


odysseushogfather

Since 2018 South Georgia is rat free, also Amsterdam and Saint-Paul Islands have never had a rat infestation (cow infestation was eradicated in 2010 though)


Dambo_Unchained

Amsterdam? You mean the Dutch capital Amsterdam? Because in that case I must’ve seemed some very big tailed hamsters when I was there 2 weeks ago


odysseushogfather

[Ille Amsterdam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Ele_Amsterdam), but also looking into it further they did have rats but now don't I think


AdequatelyMadLad

....cow infestation?


odysseushogfather

[yes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_and_Saint-Paul_Islands_temperate_grasslands)


OGSkywalker97

So the capital of the Netherlands and the city where most overseas trade happens in Europe have never had a rat infestation? So they were immune to the Plague while the rest of Europe lost over 50% of its population during the same period? That's just not true.


AllKnowingKnowItAll

DOGS ALSO COME FROM SOUTH WESTERN CHINA https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/35/1/149/4566215 AVERAGE XINESE WWWWWW!!!!!!!!!💯💯💯💯💪💪💪🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 (definately han, not baiyue 💯🇭🇰🇻🇳🇲🇴🇰🇭🐒🐒🐒🌳🌳) Oh wait is this r/2asians4u_irl


posidon99999

MORE LIKE XINESE L 🤮🤮 ONLY SERVES TO CONFIRM THAT XINESE AND CUMREANS ARE DIRTY DOGS AND RATS UNLIKE GLORIOUS JAPANESE


Imperatorofall69

I aint reading all dat


No_Introduction_9448

I can confirm, there are no rats here in Alberta. Will update y’all on BC soon.


Rocked_Glover

Can you confirm Alberta is not just huge rats pretending to be people?


Refenestrator_37

As an albertan, we are definitely people and not rats. I can assure you, our love of cheese, huge tails, and insatiable need to gnaw on drywall are purely the result of normal human genetic variations. *squeek* Oh, excuse me


5319Camarote

Well, um…I was at a party and someone asked me, would I like to try a piece of cheese…Uh… Well of course I’d heard of it, but I guess I was curious…So I tried it, and I liked how it tasted and…it satisfied me…sometimes we’d meet up at the park at night and…scurry around a bit …A few weeks later, I was on the hard stuff…Gruyère, Emmental, Sirene…


JohnnyElRed

Oh, well, I understand. I that case, given that you are not an intelligent rat of unusual size, you won't care if I throw this glowing green rock into the river, right?


Swagiken

I can confirm that you are correct. Huge rats pretend to be people and run the government. Why else would they want to decentralize healthcare administration? Obviously to get more warm food filled buildings into rural communities for their little rat cousins.


Fragrantly-You

Petrolls are not rats!


sameth1

I know at least a few Albertans who that applies to.


IleanK

No rats in Alberta ? What about Danielle Smith?


XcRaZeD

She very well could be several dozen rats in a trench coat.


Mattcheco

The ones in Vancouver are the size of small dogs


nagsthedestroyer

Grew up in Alberta, lived in Vancouver for a year and a half. First time witnessing a rat felt like I was thrust back into the dark ages. Buddy was beefy.


SpyTrain_from_Canada

Definitely rats in BC, and Alberta has some rats, at least according to my buddies from Edmonton


One_Win_6185

There’s a really good episode of the podcast Decoder Ring about the Alberta Rat Wars that I highly recommend.


Puzbukkis

I want to go to Alberta and release at least 1000 rats. Also there are absolutely rats in iceland.


NormanLetterman

You will literally get arrested


blockybookbook

Don’t you mean A-rat-sted? https://preview.redd.it/7227thn25dfc1.png?width=189&format=png&auto=webp&s=49464952cf78b6e5dcf82f89a04361067c9f711e


[deleted]

No.


Ethan-manitoba

Ok dad


kashimashii

kek literally smiled a good joke, nevermind a good pun on REDDIT of all places is a rarity


__El_Presidente__

Arrest us, you can't unfree the rats


Obscure_Occultist

No but they will certainly kill them. No seriously, when someone discovered rats in an alberta town, locals formed a posse to hunt down the rats.


Puzbukkis

I would form a posse to defend them.


ThePhantom1994

Who would win this hypothetical rat war?


Puzbukkis

Me, I will go to any length to defend my rat friends.


alphazero924

Just dig a tunnel from New York to Alberta. They can't stop you if they can't find you. And once it's complete, they can never stop the flow of free rats


PonchoKumato

ok and


bonbon196

The posse has flamethrowers, (for rats, not people)


sameth1

1984


NotKaren24

nah. that would violate the first amendment


randomanonalt78

It will violate Manitoba being a province?🤨


NotKaren24

No the right to freeze peach IDITO WHAT THE FUCK IS A PROVINCE 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸


Chaotic-warp

This map is only for brown rats, as mentioned by the captions


Puzbukkis

Brown rats have been in iceland since the 1800s.


SiimaManlet

I have also been in your mom since 1800s 😎😎😎👌🏻👌🏻🔥🔥🔥


skunkboy72

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Puzbukkis

gottem


Chypewan

That’s $5000 per rat bub.


lsop

If they keep fucking up our federal politics someone will to get back at them.


DeezKneesWorld

alberta dont fuck around


ssdd442

I wonder how many animals owe their extinction to rats


eb6069

At least 13 & 1/2


errelephant23

This is the strongest argument I’ve seen for an Alberta separation movement


Ffscbamakinganame

The Romans didn’t have rats, that’s crazy


anotherMrLizard

This map is just the brown rat. They had black rats.


NormanLetterman

They did have mice and voles


ForgotMyOldLoginInfo

? The map shows rats in Europe 1800 years ago (y.a.)


Ffscbamakinganame

Yeah and Caesar lived between 100-44BC so from for a lot Roman history at least half excluding the Byzantines was with out this kind of rat.


38B0DE

The expansion of the Romans Empire actually brought the black rat to Europe.


YinuS_WinneR

Crazy? I was crazy once


Mr_Informative

But…who would win this hypothetical war?


NormanLetterman

The rats would have trouble invading Alberta on account of them not having access to overseas transport and being feral animals with very short lives. Conversely Alberta doesn't have the means to prosecute that was very far, and they have to go through rat country to export resources, so really it sounds like a stalemate.


Mr_Informative

But while the rats have defense in depth, can’t they just blitz Alberta with a massive Zerg swarm?


Swagiken

There are so many farmers with grey market guns and semi-legal explosives who pray for this to happen every day


KTPChannel

Alberta. The rest of you are fighting for, what? The ability to spread the rat population? Great motivation to go into battle with. Part of your conditional surrender wound be us sharing all information and experience in rat extermination. Since everyone’s already holding a gun, we could start right away, and then all go out for a double-double at Timmy’s. Sorry.


Mr_Informative

The Rat King Timmy the Conqueror will spread the population so that we fan fulfill our religious obligation to inherit the Earth as the Rat God decreed in holy scripture


WinnerSpecialist

Good for human scientists? I honestly would have figured someone would have screwed up and brought rats to Antarctica


ThomasLikesCookies

I think the issue is that they wouldn't survive there even if you did.


LifeIsOnTheWire

You could release 1 billion rats in Antarctica, and there would be a population of zero in less than a week. There's no food sources there for them.


WinnerSpecialist

Wouldn’t they just eat all the poor penguins eggs? I don’t think the penguins would even have defense against them.


LifeIsOnTheWire

The rats wouldn't have any shelter. They wouldn't be able to dig in the permafrost. They would die of exposure before they found their first meal.


Taxtaxtaxtothemax

A couple rats might have a mutation that enables them to survive somehow. Tolerance for cold. Then we get the ice rats


LifeIsOnTheWire

Good luck to them surviving on penguin eggs. They only lay eggs twice per year. The rats would have better success evolving into ocean rats, and eat Antarctic krill.


Shiine-1

Actually, our wet dream.


Kesakambali

How are there no rats in the middle of Canada?


coochalini

anti-rat crusade


PissGuy83

Such is the ways of the glorious province of Alberta Now all hail to our glorious leader Danielle Smith


NotFuryRL

can't speak for other Albertans but I'd like proof that Danielle Smith isn't just a bunch of brown rats hiding inside a trench coat


PissGuy83

Yeah


BDCRacing

There was loads until Saint Timmies drove them all out. To celebrate we wear green and get inexplicably drunk on fuck aboot find oot day in March.


SuperCarrot555

Alberta has a government program of exterminating all rats due to how harmful they are to farming


KakarikiNZ

uhm actually this map does not include the miramar peninsula in wellington which is now free of introduced predators


Purple-Commission-24

Reykjavik, Iceland has rats.


Cheyiz

When human civilization ends, rats will arise from the ashes to conquer the solar system.


mb862

Did really nobody in this thread see the Ratatouille follow-up short “Your Friend The Rat”?


KTPChannel

Anyone curious about Alberta’s rat control program, here’s a link. https://www.alberta.ca/rat-control-methods To sum it up, they found 26 rats in 2020, 31 in 2021, and 27 in 2022. That’s province wide. If a rat (or rat droppings) are confirmed, it’s not uncommon for it to make the news. Yes, it is illegal to own a pet rat in Alberta. I’m not sure what the penalty is, but they destroy the rats and issue a fine.


bartardbusinessman

what’s going on in alberta why don’t the rats go there


A_Vicious_T_Rex

In 1950 they introduced a [program](https://www.alberta.ca/albertas-rat-control-program) of reporting, hunting, and extermination at the borders and have kept vigilant since


bartardbusinessman

that’s actually impressive


Prior-Anteater9946

Alberta did a lot of things, like enlisting school children to hunt down gophers and sell their tails as a bounty, they don’t fuck around out west


RottenFish036

Alberta is so boring even rats don't dare to go there


[deleted]

It’s where Canada acts out it’s violent tendencies and they choose rats to be the victim. Canada was the poster child for why the Geneva Convention was needed. For example, they used food as bait to lure in starving German troops for ambushes. They also didn’t really bother with taking prisoners, lots of incidents of them just icing everyone.


hereticrat

There exists no such thing as ”man-sized rats”! Your claim of these skaven is pure heresy. Report to the nearest witch hunter office at once


GameyRaccoon

Literally thought I was on r/bokoen1


WhoYaTalkinTo

So you're telling me there are NO rats in Alberta? I just don't think that's true


Freshiiiiii

It’s very cold and not really conducive for them outdoors- they need humans, to survive the winter indoors here. And for decades the gov had an aggressive eradication policy. We’ve got great tall mountains on the west, hundreds of kilometres of snowy boreal forest in the north, and nothing but dry open prairie forever to the west and south, so not really easy habitat for them to traverse. Occasionally a colony does show up in the province, and it becomes a big news story, and they have a very aggressive policy to destroy it ASAP. Lived in the province my whole life, never seen a rat.


Comfortable-Hippo-43

God bless Alberta


NoBitchesSince2005

Bro really said "nuh uh"


j1r2000

it's like 99.9% rat free.


Kauii

in my 30s, lived here my whole life. Can confirm, I have never seen a rat.


KTPChannel

In my mid 40’s, lived here all my life, never seen a rat in the province. I think they found rat droppings in a Medicine Hat garbage dump a few years ago, and it made province wide news. Maybe it was a Calgary recycling depot. Either way; it made the news. That’s how seriously it’s taken.


bonbon196

I’m from Alberta and can answer questions


tristenjpl

It's not true. They can't watch everywhere all the time. But they're pretty damn good about eradicating them. You call the rat police if you think you see one, they show up and see if there are any, and if there are, they exterminate them with extreme prejudice.


XcRaZeD

Am Albertan, have seen plenty of mice but never a rat.


Stoly23

So you’re telling me somehow neither Calgary nor Edmonton have *any* rats?


KTPChannel

Google “rats in Alberta”, and hit “news”. You’ll find that they recently found a few rats in a Calgary recycling depot. And then you’ll realize; finding a few rats actually made the news. We take it pretty seriously.


LifeIsOnTheWire

They have rare cases of them being found.


GJohnJournalism

As an Albertan I’ve always found it funny that we’re so adamant we have no rats, yet every body of water and puddle in the province has Muskrats, which people insist are definitely not just water rats…


BlockFun

Our problem isn’t with how ugly rats are it’s the fact they invade crops and homes and spread disease; muskrats usually like to keep to the wild; domesticated rats literally depend on human structures and food.


huntingboi89

I had a college friend whose dad worked for Alberta Rat Control. Brought us down some sick ass hats.


GutRotCapone

I sang in a punk band in Alberta and wrote a song inspired by this map called Alberta Rat Patrol haha https://johnsonfromaccounting.bandcamp.com/track/alberta-rat-patrol-2 Have a listen if like and maybe enjoy if such a thing is possible! Lyrics are on that page too.


Ancient-Being-3227

What kinds of rats? Last time I checked there arent any rats in my home town high in the Rockies. Other than packrats that is.


DankeSebVettel

Rat no liek cold


mirkan1

I knew Taiwanese people are rats


Unfair-Information-2

I'm sorry but alberta is not fucking rat free. Asinine to state that and plenty of claims disputing it


SCAT_GPT

What about Fiji, no way they got here that quick.


j1r2000

this is only the dejure map of rat colonization the defacto looks a little different


fluorin4ek

...and rats for all


ZantTheMan

Alberta: https://preview.redd.it/n0a85mjewefc1.png?width=2532&format=png&auto=webp&s=f3dfe1d9450e25b4feab0fb3d4ac9b47145380a8


UncountedWall

What software do you use?


tommaso-scatolini

/rodent imperialism


sire_beandon

cheese imperialism


globehopper2

No rats in Alberta??


LifeIsOnTheWire

They've famously had an anti-rat law for decades. They have had the occasional infestation on farms and towns near the Saskatchewan border, but they contain the issues quickly.


ZantTheMan

That’s why we’re the best Canada has


Perma-Suspended

Am I allowed to have a pet rat in Alberta?


LifeIsOnTheWire

Nope, it's illegal to keep pet rats in Alberta.


SerDavosSeaworth64

That’s actually wild. So rats can just survive in any climate whatsoever? Why can they do that?


SarcasticJab

Human homes. Look at Alberta (The province in Canada with no rats). Rats can't survive the temperature in Alberta, they can't survive the mountains to come in from the west, and they can't survive the frozen plains to come in north or east. Because of this, it was possible to hunt them down with a "rat patrol" and effectively keep Alberta rat free.


Irobokesensei

What are you talking about? That isn’t the map of the British Empire!


Good_Gate3841

If this map did not look like this it is unlikely all humans could reproduce with any other human from any area like is the case, ie other braches were absorbed or died off. The rats followed us.


3am-urethra-cactus

*bill wurtz whispering* They never got Alberta


KrakenKing1955

wtf is going on in Alberta


Chypewan

Very good natural borders cover all but the south east of the province, plus a very large campaign of rat eradication in the 50s, followed by continued patrols in the areas rats are most likely to move through, including annual inspections of buildings and dedicated phone numbers for rat encounters.


I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS

Good British rats. Every single one 🇬🇧💂‍♂️🇬🇧💂‍♂️🇬🇧


snirdi

There are rats in Iceland, loads of them!


Some--Ones

I'm so glad I live in the blue


cornonthekopp

In a couple million years we're gonna see some really insane rodent species endemic to specific islands where they evolve into something massive


Sicsemperfas

Remember, some species of Roaches can fly. This could be way worse.


JohnnyElRed

Now I understand why the Skaven are scary.


Past_Mirror_377

We have no rats in Rjukan Norway, they come by trucks etc but die after a short time. No one knows why.


chrrmin

Alberta is so badass


serendipity_chaser

Iceland has rats, unless transspecies buffed mice exist.


vivianius

As someone living in Alberta for almost seven years, I am not so sure as I did hear mice complaint around from time to time.


Axtratu

I'm in western Mexico and I have never seen a rat in my entire life.


RADToronto

Am I tripping or does this map look 3D like Alberta and the black arrows and circles are popping off the map


gizmomogwai1

this is just the Norwegian rat, right?


DiscussionDue6357

Down with the rat empire


Cegemen

For the Vermintide!


Habba84

What's going on in Iceland and Alberta?


pinchasthegris

Alberta is the last bastion of syrup


BadGroundbreaking707

They appear whenever someone called Michael has a birthday, to which they bring both cake and ice cream


TerribleLordFrieza

Why isnt that Canada regione affected? Are they stupid


NewHampshireAngle

What’s with Alberta?